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Adobe releases subscription-only Photoshop CC

By dpreview staff on Jun 18, 2013 at 13:02 GMT

Adobe has released the latest version of Photoshop: CC for 'Creative Cloud'. It's the first to be made available solely though the company's controversial subscription-only model, that requires users to pay an ongoing monthly charge of £17.58 / $19.99 for access to the software (as opposed to a one-off license fee). New features include a revised 'Smart Sharpen' function, a 'Camera Shake Reduction' filter, and the ability to apply Camera Raw edits as layers. The latest versions of other Creative Cloud apps such the video editor Premiere Pro are also now available to download.

Note that despite its name, Photoshop CC is not really cloud-based software. It's downloaded and installed locally on your computer, and all your files can be saved locally too. What it does offer is cloud-based storage for your files, so you can access them on multiple devices while on the move. And while many users have genuine concerns over the subscription model - and crucially the fact that the software will stop working if you don't pay your monthly subscription- the relatively low monthly fee does make Photoshop rather more accessible to new users on a budget.

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Bart Luyckx
By Bart Luyckx (10 months ago)

Every sane argument has already been made for me to say 'no'.
I'll stick with LR5, PSCS6 for a couple more years and then probably go with Capture one to replace LR and perhaps something else for PS. But I'll see how the alternatives evolve. Adobe lost me as a future customer.

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (10 months ago)

Maybe phase one add enough tools over the next year or two to make photoshop unnecessary for most photographer's...

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Jon Lewis
By Jon Lewis (10 months ago)

Why do we in the UK have to pay $16.92 more than USA for the same thing??????????????

This is crazy

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (10 months ago)

Because Americans don't care about anyone else

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hiro_pro
By hiro_pro (10 months ago)

call me when adobe gives up this ridiculousness.

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jackspra
By jackspra (10 months ago)

I think that what is not said is that what you get for 50 bucks a month in creative cloud is an incredible deal.You got to use it though otherwise its a waste of money.

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MrPetkus
By MrPetkus (10 months ago)

This makes sense for Adobe - they foresee that this move is inevitable and need to create the infrastructure now to accommodate it. Their biggest competitor in the photo editing space will be Google, whose existing cloud services and recent acquisitions inform us that a powerful cloud-based photo editing and management toolkit is in the offing. These free services, stitched into the Google fabric (plus, picasa, etc.), will be made available for "free" via advertising revenue with additional storage as an add-on.
When that happens, Adobe will be forced to lower the subscription fee for Photoshop CC. Until that time, however, they need as much revenue as possible to beef-up their cloud infrastructure, tie-in users, and create compelling services that will withstand the upcoming competition in this space.
Corel and others that don't adopt this model will be swept away in the next 5-10 years.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

" Until that time, however, they need as much revenue as possible to beef-up their cloud infrastructure, tie-in users, and create compelling services that will withstand the upcoming competition in this space"... I don't see how fighting your customer base will help you beef up. This is the only company I have ever seen that has thousands or millions of willing to pay customer and they have just snub them... I really fail to see how that is going to be helpful to them. Time will say...

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HoffY
By HoffY (10 months ago)

"I don't see how fighting your customer base will help you beef up. This is the only company I have ever seen that has thousands or millions of willing to pay customer and they have just snub them... "

You should take a look into a company called Microsoft and more specifically their upcoming gaming Console (Xbox ONE a.k.a X-bone) and you'll find yet another major Corporation going the route of "We're a big compnay... we'll make you do what we want you to" mentality.

Company's are getting to large. They think they can just do whatever they want and get away with it. For the most part they do because not enough people have the balls to put their money where their mouth is (i.e. stop giving them the only thing they will listen to.. money).

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (9 months ago)

HoffY
MSFT ate crow a week after E3.... even after their humbling experience with Win 8, they think they can muscle the market the way they used to. Not anymore... ADBE will go through the same thing... it may take more time but there is no way in hell they will sign up 1.2 million CC customers. Apparently, according to the Mothley Fool, they have signed mostly individuals, businesses are NOT joining in mass. ...why would they? they have CS6 now which is going to be good for 4 years, then they can join CC on the cheap, this way they recover the money they invested in CS6.

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BLongborough
By BLongborough (10 months ago)

Hmm, yes, Adobe, good luck with that...

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Luck is on our side that there is still a huge economical downturn.

Companies rather cut on expenditure then too raise them by adopting (Adobe's) ransomware model.

Most companies will stick with their current version until it can't be used anymore. So will the average small business owner (designers and photographers) and the advanced amateurs who adopted to use Photoshop as their editing tool.

Adobe needs 20 million users to make this a viable profitable business.
They recently only had 500.000 cloud customers. So that is by far not enough.

Even if they get to 2 million in a years time that would not be enough for Adobe to make this model profitable. So Adobe is taking a great risc in times that are not so bright.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

my point exactly, being in Sillicon Valley they must grow double digit a year....not going to happen when you are loosing 200 million in revenue by refusing to provide upgrades. So, not only they have to make that up they must show 10-15% a year growth ...time will be the judge.

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kelpdiver
By kelpdiver (10 months ago)

what's the basis for your 20 million figure? Last year their revenue was 4.4B, a company high. It would only take 7.3M at the 50/month rate to meet that, and at this point Adobe still gets revenue from other sales. (The Marketing Cloud and Document Services groups account for 1.5B of the total) So it would be 4 or 5 million to stay even.

In Q4 2012, they were adding 10k subscriptions a week. With no other choice now, that will increase. If it doesn't not increase fast enough, then we can probably expect to see a CS7 box next year. Bear in mind that on the old cadence, we'd only be seeing 6.5 right now. This is them trying...and our response will drive the next step.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (10 months ago)

Corel's special upgrade deal to Adobe customers is still valid:

http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/welcome-cs-users/

I already own PSP X5 and don't own any Adobe software so it's not relevant for me, but perhaps it can be useful for others.

I also think that DxO, PhaseOne and other image editing software companies should follow suit and come up with similar offers if they have any sense.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

No interest in Corel until they have native support for Mac users...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Just a Photographer--

Corel's Aftershot runs on Win+Mac+Linux. That's serious raw extraction software.

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (10 months ago)

I'm in the same case : I updated from CS5 to CS6, only a few months ago. Now, all former users of CS4, CS5 and CS6 are in the same boat : half price for the first year and then full price. If you ask me, I have the feeling that I have thrown money by the window.. And that was a lot of money, since even after VAT deduction we are paying 30% more than the Americans in my country. I feel ripped off.

I have updated to LR5 and will draw CS6 as long as I can and then change for something else. I do also have DXO which I like and C1 Pro and Elements is getting more complete with the time, so photo amateurs will need CS less and less in the future. I do still prefer CS because I started with PS2 light and then went with the full version of PS3.. That was back in the mid nineties !! Adobe will loose a long time consumer.

Edit : comment is misplaced, that was an answer to Chris2j

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Chris2J
By Chris2J (10 months ago)

I have recently bought Photoshop CS6 after much deliberation. I bought it on my budget account over 24 months, as the full price would dent my cashflow. Can I now somehow upgrade to Photoshop CC, or will Adobe let owners of CS6 have a free upgrade for at least 24 months to compensate? If not, this is highly unfair to recent purchasers who still need to get value out of their investment.

Does anybody know?

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David Rosser
By David Rosser (10 months ago)

There is a reduced price rental for the first 12 months for owners of CS6 perpetual licence. See the Creative Cloud web site.
If you go down the CC route your CS6 can sit alongside the CC version, if you abandon CC in the future your CS6 will be still there and working.
By the way I always thought the one off purchase price of Photoshop far to high to contemplate but the CC single application rental deal has tempted me into installing Photoshop.

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Gene L.
By Gene L. (10 months ago)

Adobe have always been stingy with upgrades. I bought CS3 upgrade from Elements not knowing that CS4 was about to be released. Contact Adobe about free/low-cost upgrade to CS4 and no deal, just the standard upgrade, which for me would have added up to the cost of buying the full CS3. I believe that this kind of greediness is part of the reason Adobe has a revenue problem right now. They can't give away the farm, but they can reward valued customers. Problem is, they don't value customers.

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (10 months ago)

I'm in the same case : I updated from CS5 to CS6, only a few months ago. Now, all former users of CS4, CS5 and CS6 are in the same boat : half price for the first year and then full price. If you ask me, I have the feeling that I have thrown money by the window.. And that was a lot of money, since even after VAT deduction we are paying 30% more than the Americans in my country. I feel ripped off.

I have updated to LR5 and will draw CS6 as long as I can and then change for something else. I do also have DXO which I like and C1 Pro and Elements is getting more complete with the time, so photo amateurs will need CS less and less in the future. I do still prefer CS because I started with PS2 light and then went with the full version of PS3.. That was back in the mid nineties !! Adobe will loose a long time customer.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

We've discussed this ad-nauseam already, so...
how about we play a little game called:

WHAT I WILL USE NOW
(or intend to use, or have started experimenting with) now that many of us have decided to drop Adobe. Of course this will get buried, so instead of replying, create a new post, and copy-paste the top part so we can continue. This should revive the software suggestions of previous articles, to help others.

I'll start. I use or am testing the following (all are $ FREE $)
Irfanview (have been using for decade)
Paint.net
PhotoFiltre portable
Photoscape
Intellistudio
LibreOffice (to do away with Adobe Acrobat)
of course, I own photoshop elements that came with my Epson printer, that I will not upgrade, gradually replacing it with free software above.

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

Basically most people will continue to use what they have until it needs replacing. What they will replace it with will depend on what is available at that time, and no one knows the answer to that question yet. At present many people are simply expressing their disgust with a company that they have been loyal to for years and in return have been treated with such disdain.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

@ Raza,
I know that I am replacing CS6 (eventually) with Corel PSP .... I used it before and was happy with it. Main reason to go to PS was an offer from ADBE at 50% off. CS6 is a great product, but Corel PSP is not that far, it lacks finesse but Corel can easily match CS6 PHOTOGRAPHIC features (not all the stupid 3D stuff or designer stuff) in a year or two... the opportunity has fallen into their hands, it is up to them to make the most of it.

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dbateman
By dbateman (10 months ago)

Sticking to Free software:
Able to selective edit a photo:
1. Lightzone back from the dead (free) available for Win now, Mac and linux in the near future.
2. GIMP will be full 16-bit come version 2.10, which should be out this year.

Free editors not able to select an area.
1. Raw therapee (needs lots of Ram, but amazing)
2. UFRaw (my favorite editor now)
3. google's Picassa (ok editor, quick and easy selections).

These are the ones on my list.
Also to add Krita a very powerful sketch and drawing program available for Windows and Linux. Probably the most powerful one out, and being used by many in the movie industry.

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appelpix1
By appelpix1 (10 months ago)

I will never rent any software!

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rb59020
By rb59020 (10 months ago)

Blimey! Sir George Carlin, if he was still with us :-(, would have to modify his "Seven Dirty Words" to include: the "N" word, the three letter "F" word, Dick Cheney, Sara Palin and Adobe!

I don't know if George was ever "knighted", but he should have been.

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ecm
By ecm (10 months ago)

I do think that DPR's news writers should make it more clear - $19/month only applies if you buy a year at a time. Photoshop is $29/month if you buy month-to-month.

If you're an amateur as I am, there's the silver lining in this "creative cloud" - if I have any desire to use Photoshop I can rent it for a month when I need it, rather than having to buy the whole $600 package. I imagine that's why Adobe made the month-to-month so much more expensive.

I can't see myself doing any such thing, mind you; there's many good, relatively inexpensive (or free) stand-alone tools for blemish correction, unsharp masking, color management, HDR and printing now available. Perhaps Adobe is right (gasp!) - only the pros should want/need Photoshop.....

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

I don't really think anybody can learn PS in 1 or even 6 months.

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dbateman
By dbateman (10 months ago)

No probable will not learn PS in a month or 6, but now you don't need to. Just learn GIMP instead. Its free and will be full 16-bit come version 2.10 (hopefully out soon).

I also think GIMP is starting to prove to be more powerful. As the content aware feature was actually first seen in GIMP. But called something else.

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ecm
By ecm (10 months ago)

@SemperAugustus - too true, that was a point I was thinking of but decided to not elucidate - and one of the main reasons that I wouldn't want to have to rent PS CC.

I learned CS1, slowly and painfully, only to have to abandon it when Adobe stopped ACR updates for my version. Subsequently, however, GIMP was a snap to pick up - once you've got the gist of a top-end photo editor with layers, masking and so forth you know what to look for. I would assume it works both ways, and since I'd probably only be renting it for a single specific proprietary tool I wouldn't have to learn the whole program.

@dbateman - the 16-bit thing has been dogging GIMP for a lot of years. I'm not keeping my fingers crossed; last I heard it was on hold, now I hear the 16 bit project is alive again..... too bad I'm from the Pascal and Fortran era, can't be much help to the C++ crowd.

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Danny
By Danny (10 months ago)

"And while many users have genuine concerns over the subscription model - and crucially the fact that the software will stop working if you don't pay your monthly subscription- the relatively low monthly fee does make Photoshop rather more accessible to new users on a budget."

If you are on a budget there are plenty of better options to choose from than Adobe's CC-flytrap.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (10 months ago)

Exactly. "Flytrap" Perfectly said.

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Simon Mann
By Simon Mann (10 months ago)

I for one am pleased to be able to afford the latest Adobe PS software.
And I can choose to try other software but I done this so many times before over the years and I'm fine with this for option.
I have used the cloud for 5 months and have upgraded to new PS CC without having to pay extra, Im only paying for PS by the way.

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agentul
By agentul (10 months ago)

1. Adobe says that this will work better for their large corporate customers. screw the small time buyers.
2. Large newspapers start outsourcing their photography needs, even asking readers to submit their own photos, because that's "good enough". Said photos are often taken with phones by people who "just happen to be there". Also, more focus on video!
3. What now, Adobe? looks like your large customers don't need to edit photos anymore.

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MikeM302
By MikeM302 (10 months ago)

I don't think I'll rush out and upgrade for those lame "upgrades". When was the last meaningfull upgrade made to photoshop? I'm going to stick with my Windows 7+ photoshop CS5 for as long as my hardware will allow (I was on photoshop 7 and XP for years and years and years, with no monthly payment!). I'll use a virtual machine to run my CS5 if necessary or jump ship depending on available competitors software at that point.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

That's exactly what I am thinking, build a VM with Win 7 + PS CS6 and that will make it last 10 years at least.

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HoffY
By HoffY (10 months ago)

This is what many comment's on here seem to confuse themselves with. They say "i'll continue to use CS5/6/x until it stops working then..."

But why would it stop working? It wont stop working! That is the beauty of it! You don't NEED to upgrade for a long time! Sure newer features and fixes are always welcomed but at the end of the day this software is deep and feature-full as it is and rarely will be the limiter of your goals. Just because these corporations have everyone sucking the upgrade teet every 12 months doesn't mean you have to! You could easily use CS6 for years!

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tinzi1
By tinzi1 (10 months ago)

Window 9 Cloud - $25/mon and the MACOS 11 -$30/mon, getting loan or getting owned, that is the question.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Yes but you forgot your monthly fee for:
- Phone subscription plan $50 p/mon
- TV subscription plan $50 p/mon
- Internet broadband subscription $50 p/mon
- Office 365 subscription plan $5 p/mon

Soon we will be paying $250 to $300 per month just for some subscriptions. I think I soon need more income to pay for my food. Or just cut out on all those subscribtions.

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Fully Framed
By Fully Framed (10 months ago)

Bottom line is that this is not a good value.

Consider that OSX M. Lion was only $20. That was for an entire OS that all of your other applications run on top of. If it was crap then none of your software would work properly (Win8).

Aperture = $79 and FCPX = $299. LR5 and PS CS6 are twice as much, and while good products they do not contain twice the functionality. And then there is the highly expensive GIMP.

Because the CC software is still downloaded this does nothing, zero, nada to thwart the piracy that they claim is bleeding them dry. So they raise the cost and create an onerous rental model that pushes people to download the crack just to spite them.

It appears that Adobe and Microsoft, in lieu of innovation, are just looking or some new shell game to get your money.

Perhaps Apple will beef up Aperture to include layers. GIMP will likely improve. Hopefully Adobe will get the msg for PS8 and at least go back to selling over priced software vs renting over priced software.

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Vam2004
By Vam2004 (10 months ago)

I think that this will be a GREAT opportunity for all Adobe competitors.

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

In some ways I am relieved that Adobe has adopted this model. Before this I was faced with compulsory upgrades for my Adobe apps or stay with my present version and face losing upgrade privileges. Now Adobe have made the choice for me. I now have nothing to lose by staying with my current versions. That has saved me a lot of expense, and I have plenty of time to look for alternatives when CS6 eventually becomes too obsolete to use.

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Alberto Tanikawa
By Alberto Tanikawa (10 months ago)

Two words Adobe: Meta Raw. 'Nuff said.

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lglass12189
By lglass12189 (10 months ago)

I hope the future gets really cloudy for Adobe, I for one will not give them another dime.

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Greg in London
By Greg in London (10 months ago)

I am a Pro and I am walking as will many others.

Adobe has lost the plot, with ALL photographers , hobbyist or Pro.

The next twelve months or so will be very interesting when other company's will rise to the challenge and they will.

existing layered files too are not an excuse to stay with the new Adobe model!

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Walter
By Walter (10 months ago)

Greg is this purely based on cost? Will you continue with CS6 until other software becomes available? We have interesting times as the iPhone seems to be enough for many...very little post production and a quick turn around on an iPad. I heard the other day that there are more photographers in London than taxi drivers....and yet many professional photographers are still working with and buying digital backs at megabuck thousands. If the above scenario is true we may find a whole new band of Photoshop users in the future.
Time will tell........

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie but I'd never know cause I won't eat the filthy m-f. iPhone is enough for most because before NOTHING was good enough for most. The people who are madly in love with photography on an iPhone are the same people who years ago would only take picture on vacation using a disposable camera. What I'm saying is, their pictures only count by virtue of the shear volume of pictures being taken and their ubiquity. If every square inch of the Earth were monitored by cameras all day every day then we still wouldn't need good photographers? Any picture is fine? News organizations may be able to get away with printing low quality stuff for dramatic effect, but magazines, good newspapers, television, etc. still need skilled photographers and videographers. Do you think we'll see our news shot by a bunch of dudes around the studio holding iPhones? The usefulness of this technology is exaggerated by its novelty. That will wear off soon enough.

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jm67
By jm67 (10 months ago)

So, there are three camps here. First are the pros who need photoshop and have no choice but to submit to the cloud and suck it up (the cost). Then there are the small pros who will use what they have and see what the future holds (continue using what they have, submit or find an alternative). Then there are the hobbyists who will likely say goodbye to Adobe. Only those in category one will keep Adobe in business and time will tell how many will join, how many will stay and whether or not they too will find alternatives in the future. Sadly I think there will be enough subscribers that Adobe will never do an about face.

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

For many people CS6 will be good for another ten years (see how long XP lasted). Even now I could still get by on version 7 if I had to. A lot can change in ten years.

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Photato
By Photato (10 months ago)

You are implying Adobe is the only software company in the world making Pro grade software. LOL

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (10 months ago)

Adobe are the only ones making software to the level of Photoshop. Having tried several others (purchased DxO Optics Pro 8 Standard) and reviewing the features of many more, I see nothing else being competitive with Photoshop, if you really need Photoshop and all it has to offer. There is no option I see that is a step up or better. Just different.

Nothing today, not even Photoshop CS6, will be all that viable a product in 10 years. XP? Nah.

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Michael de Ruijter
By Michael de Ruijter (10 months ago)

Option 1: Adobe gets my $, Adobe keeps its software.
Option 2: I keep my $, Adobe keeps its software.

I'm all for Option 2.

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Photato
By Photato (10 months ago)

Makes no much sense in an era of $1 apps and given that CS6 or older are fine mature products.
I'd rather own than rent.

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audijam
By audijam (10 months ago)

WOW!
i will stick with PS6 and LR4 and keep my $$$ for dinner....LOL! $20 per month....

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rdc13
By rdc13 (10 months ago)

nah, I'll pass

I'm sure my work will upgrade at some point but like most in the corporate world, they'll want to check it out for compatibility before rolling it out.

It'll be interesting to see how the corp world gets treated vs the individual.I'm betting our next Photoshop buy will be for 40 licences vs 400+ users with Photoshop access now.

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Vam2004
By Vam2004 (10 months ago)

Bye bye Adobe!
I have bought Adobe softwares for years.

Stop.
Adobe has lost me as a customer.

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Boris
By Boris (10 months ago)

!

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Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (10 months ago)

This made me rediscover GIMP.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

GIMP extracts raws well? GIMP has Selective Colour?

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loulu
By loulu (10 months ago)

I've been paid around $250 for Photoshop per each 2 years. This means paid about 10 dollars per month. Now it is two times more expensive than ever before!!! Who can understand this new system? A user since Photoshop 3.0

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (10 months ago)

Thanks to the new 'Adobe business model' I went to Capture One Pro, and Media Pro instead upgrading Lightroom.
I'm still learning, but results looks better to me.
I hope to find substitution to Photoshop before it became too old to be useful.

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

I have always thought they were better. I have never liked online activation software, but at least Phase One allow you to manage your own activations online where you can deactivate remotely if your hard disk has crashed.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (10 months ago)

"ongoing monthly charge"? Is that sort of like forever and forever?

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steelhead3
By steelhead3 (10 months ago)

Adobe has lost me as a customer. Both cs6 and LR 5 were not major upgrades from previous versions. All their money has been spent on plugging holes for malware and marketing changes, no R&D for the photographer. You can't even upgrade to LR5 without talking to a hard sell rep, trying to sucker you into the cloud.

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Yanko Kitanov
By Yanko Kitanov (10 months ago)

Whoo-ha, let's go! Good bye legal Adobe, hello new crack and serial. Piratebay - show me my new PS CC :)

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jm67
By jm67 (10 months ago)

I'm not sure it's appropriate to encourage software theft but if you're stating that more will follow because of the CC model, I unfortunately feel that it's likely.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

I don't propogate the use of illegal software downloads!
But I think it will not take too long before the hacking community has rewritten the license module to work for free.

For most genuine hackers its a sport to crack the software.
Not a model of making money for them.

Its going to be interesting times to see if the shareholders will keep faith in Adobe. Now they have to deliver no matter what!

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

It has long been a source of annoyance to me that the only people that are really affected by security measures (subscription based software or activation requirements) are those that buy the software legitimately. It's a situation where not only does crime pay, but honesty is penalised.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Owned full licenses to CS, CS3, and CS5. Now Adobe has lost any chance I'll ever give them one more dime....unless they will sell me a license like a human being instead of making me beg in the street every month like a dog. If I were to rent this software and come up on hard times that would mean I'd have to choose between one of the few things in life I take joy in and food. Adobe only wants to milk large companies and struggling professionals for every dime and doesn't give a flying leap about someone who has a passion for the art but doesn't wish to make it into their profession. Suck it, Adobe.

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Horshack
By Horshack (10 months ago)

Congratulations on your release Adobe. I think it will prove to be a pyrrhic victory however.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

I am fed up with the Adobe subscription model being quoted as a monthly fee when this is really £17.58 x 12 for a years subscription minimum. It's really £27-34 per month unless you sign up for a year.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

Me too especially beucse of this little gem from the CC FAQ:

"What happens if I decide to stop my membership?

You will continue to have access to free Creative Cloud member benefits, and if you saved your work to your computer you will continue to have access to those files. You will no longer have access to the Creative Cloud desktop applications or most of the services that are components of a Creative Cloud membership.

If you purchased an annual individual membership plan and you cancel after the first 30 days but before meeting the 12-month commitment date, you will be charged 50% of the remaining amount left on your contract."

The last paragraph is what I am talking about.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

What an asinine, reductionist oversimplification. If we're going down that road, then let me see here: CS for $800, CS3 for $200, CS5 for $200 (can't remember exactly so I'm using high numbers). So that' about $1,200 for about ten years. That's $10 a month...and only if I felt the upgrade was meaningful, not being forced to buy the privelege of constant upgrades whether there is anything worth buying or not. Since my 7D probably won't be replaced for another three years, my Photoshop budget would be down to $7.70 a month, which means Adobe is doubling their price on me...for no benefit. I don't care for Lightroom and I don't use the most advanced features of PS. If I have a medical problem or other financial emergency I won't have to choose whether or not to keep editing my photographs. Everything sounds great on paper and then those unforeseeable variables that make like so interesting start happening. This is akin to the car dealer saying "how much do you want to spend per month."

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Peet Venter
By Peet Venter (10 months ago)

We may not like it, but this is the future of ALL software. rather get use to it. Adobe, let me have it please, Why kick against facts, why try and dry the oceans with a plastic bucket. Guys, in 12 months all of you have come around. This is not nice, not good and not right. but this is the way of our brave new world.

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (10 months ago)

depends on the sales. If capitalism only works a bit a product that doesn't sell well is changed untill the money runs again.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

I doubt it...anybody with 2 kids and a mortgage will not be able to add to their already sky high pile of bills. So, if this is the future, I can tell you that there will be very few players because people will be VERY selective. Nowdays, you get a bonus, you feel like buying something and you do it. But renting for years or indefinitely is a complete different ball game. Think of adding utility bills at your own pleasure....not going to happen.

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Mark B.
By Mark B. (10 months ago)

I very seriously doubt this will be the model for all software. Adobe MIGHT get away with it for Photoshop if there are enough commercial users. It's not going to work with software widely distributed to all users.

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Horshack
By Horshack (10 months ago)

History has shown humans have a way of interfering with inevitability when it's shoved down their throats by those in power.

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Yanko Kitanov
By Yanko Kitanov (10 months ago)

Peet - there are people like you who comply and pay, but there are also those who try to stand on their point and be pioneers.

The pioneers make the brave new world, not you paying Adobe whatever they try to get from you...just my personal pov

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

It all depends on how much of this people can afford to put up with. For software like PS or say MS Office or even operating systems that really have few, if any viable alternatives and are a need instead of a want in many cases, especially for people using it professionally, I agree subscriptions are the future. But for other software like games that people can just choose not to buy with very few consequences and which don't have a large base of pros who basically have to have it I doubt subscription pricing would be viable.

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ksgant
By ksgant (10 months ago)

They're going more with pros with this SemperAugustus, not the amateur. Yes, it sucks for them and it can be a burden to do. So I expect lots of amateurs to dump it. But for a pro...one who makes a large percentage of their income from the Creative Suite, this will just become a monthly business expense like electricity or even like film was in the old days. Just the cost of doing business. If it really buggs us, we just pass the costs on to our customers :) (I'm joking there....a little...)

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

Restricted practices invariable open up markets to other companies. Apple's practice of restricting its operating system to Mac computers made windows popular, Adobe's high pricing of Type One fonts gave rise to True Type fonts, Quark's strategy allowed Indesign to gain a foothold in the market.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

@rzadaz

Yep. It will be interesting ot see what, if any new creative software swoops in and fills the void in the low budget amateur market now that adobe as basically abandoned it.

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fuego6
By fuego6 (10 months ago)

Amen... this is in no way the future - because consumers aren't going to buy in. Adobe may work out ok because of corporations and pros who will spend the cash - but it is the amateurs who may have sprung for the software before that will now be looking at the alternatives.... Photoshop isn't worth THAT much more than say ACDsee or hell even Zoner Photo studio!

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nz769r
By nz769r (10 months ago)

Now you sound like the Borg of Star Trek fame: "You will be assimilated." Adobe and companies of its ilk would love us to act like cattle and follow their business model because it limits choice. The fact is we have lots of choice and there will always be enterprises that provide that choice because it means opportunity. DxO and Phase One software are going to get lots of business that goes their way because not everyone is going to accept a choice of no choice.

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kelpdiver
By kelpdiver (10 months ago)

Subscriptions are a trend enabled by the emergence of the cloud. Note however the similarities to mainframe computing in the 60s and 70s, which gave way to the PC era where users were free to do what they wanted. Vendors would love to get as much lock in as they can and then be able to charge even more, but ultimately it's the ones paying that will collectively vote.

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mewickham
By mewickham (10 months ago)

Yeah, CompuServe, AOL, and MySpace were once inevitable, too. As were WordStar, WordPerfect, and VisiCalc. Circuit City and other big, successful chains went on to failure. Kmart and Sears once dominated. Now, they struggle together.

Quark and PageMaker once dominated page layout programs. Now you hardly ever hear them mentioned. If InDesign users realize that they will never be able to open their existing files again if they don't continue to pay Adobe $600 PER YEAR FOR LIFE, they might switch back to Quark XPress for all future work.

The only thing that is inevitable is a company's eventual failure, if it doesn't make its customers happy. Adobe's competitors are listening to the clamor and are already gearing up for that possibility. Adobe should listen, too. Bring back the upgrade path for those who want it.

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rsjoberg
By rsjoberg (10 months ago)

I'm currently using Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS 3. I'm awaiting an Aperture upgrade to see about making the jump.

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ksgant
By ksgant (10 months ago)

Aperture may replace Lightroom for you. Even Camera One could replace Lightroom for you. But neither are replacements for Photoshop.

As it stands of now, there is no replacement for Photoshop. There are some that do a little of this and a little of that, but no true replacement that can do everything Photoshop can. Hopefully there will be one day, but it's going to take a while.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (10 months ago)

ksgant, how many people actually need an application that "can do everything Photoshop can"? PSP X5 does 80%, and it's 70% more than what most people use anyway.

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ksgant
By ksgant (10 months ago)

Obviously, not everyone needs Photoshop. I'd say a vast majority of hobbyests that used it didn't really need it. And you're right, programs such as PSP would probably suit them better. But I personally need Photoshop. There's a ton of things in there that just can't be done (yet) in any single other package. I welcome the day when that's possible, and one where the myriad of plug-in developers flock to. Right now, they make their plug-ins for Photoshop, some that I rely on, on a daily basis.

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (10 months ago)

I think it goes without saying the best option is simply not to subscribe so Adobe quickly realise the error of their greedy ways

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

I guarantee losing a few sales to disgruntled DPR readers and amateurs who didn't' upgrade frequently anyway is not going to be enough to make adobe change their pricing model back. They got too many people by the short hairs and they know it. Overall it is much more likely they well end up making MORE money not less from the subscription model, even after loosing a some of their low profit customers over it.

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ksgant
By ksgant (10 months ago)

You're probably right Josh152. I mean I've heard people complaining about this louder than anyone, yet they haven't upgraded since CS2. I don't think Adobe is going to be missing them.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

You're assuming not upgrading to every other version means never upgrading again. When all these people were on the verge of an upgrade I think Adobe might notice a sudden drop in people who care about their existence and never give them any more money rather than giving them money every three or four years. Make something people find valuable and they'll buy it, Adobe.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

"I mean I've heard people complaining about this louder than anyone, yet they haven't upgraded since CS2. I don't think Adobe is going to be missing them."

Exactly. The honest truth is except for a small minority who are not going CC out of principle, the majority of people who are complaining are the infrequent up-graders since it will end up costing them a lot more. Everyone who could afford to be and was a repeat, and consistent customer of adobe's CS (I.E. those who upgraded every new version or close to it, you know the ones who drove adobe's CS profits) are actually getting a pretty good deal and will most likely have no problem with paying the subscription.

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Dale Garman
By Dale Garman (10 months ago)

Not true Josh152. I have upgraded every cycle for many years now, and my average cost (after the initial price which is now sunk cost for me) is about 10 per month. The big hook though is that if I stop upgrading I have some thing that preserves all my work. It you stop the rental, you are done, with nothing to show for it. They may have an intro price now, but when their revenues are not enough it will start going up and you are captive.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Josh, you sure do have a strangle hold on "the honest truth." I don't think you have a clue what those words mean. If Adobe wants to trim away thousands of home users who upgrade every other version that is their business, but they could have their cake and eat it too if they weren't trying to force everyone into a single price structure. You have zero facts backing up your "honest truth" and, quite to the contrary, many people from large graphic arts departments have commented on their unwilingness to participate in such a pricing scheme/license model. Some people either need or want the option to buy a license that doesn't expire and doesn't require constant check-ins to keep working. Microsoft will face a similar backlash with the X One. Price it higher and make it harder to use and all that is required for Adobe's business to drop like a rock is someone with another option. Many already exist and more will surface to eat up Adobe's table drippings. Then they'll go commercial.

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (10 months ago)

Josh, even big companies don't *need* to upgrade fom CS6 and many just won't. This is a silly strategy and the sooner they stop it the better

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (10 months ago)

" the relatively low monthly fee does make Photoshop rather more accessible to new users on a budget"

In the same way that the so-called relatively low barrier to borrow money from a "finance company" makes said money more accessible. But in neither case is it a good value. By the 5th year, a new user has spent over $1200 USD on one single application ...

20 bucks a month for one application is not "relatively low" ... it is "robbery" ... despite my preference for the speed of Photoshop, I am sticking with LR until they choose to put a gun to our heads for that one too. For my more advanced processing, I am happy so far with onOne Perfect Suite and Google Nik suite, both of which can be had at good prices for Lightroom (less than one year's "rental" for Photoshop CC.)

Adobe are playing a dangerous game here, and your trying to characterize the software as "more accessible" for the very people who cannot afford to be "bled" in perpetuity does us all a disservice.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

Agree, that where I am going as well .... I have PS CS6 and will keep until does not work anymore, 5-6 years from now. In the meantime, I will keep my eyes open for Corel PSP Pro which is very capable on its own but lacks the finesse of PS CS6. So if Corel can in 4-5 years take PSP where CS6 is today, I will be good...save a couple of thousands that ADBE has forgone. (I am not upgrading LR either)

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jm67
By jm67 (10 months ago)

The only advantage I can see is for a new user who needed to process their photos occasionally. Let's say someone shoots all summer and spends one month in the fall processing all those pics (or the ones they like the most). Do that, say a few months out of the year and the software is affordable. As for the other 99.99% of us, we can't work that way but those very lucky few might benefit.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (10 months ago)

Yeah, just like all the other rip-off subscriptions we pay for. Newspapers, Netflix, Hulu, GotoMyPC etc.
What is up with those people? We should own that stuff!

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (7 months ago)

Netflix is the bargain of the century at 8 bucks. So is Office 2013 ... the whole suite for around 10 bucks. It is Adobe that is totally out of step with what we all want to pay. They don't realize that Photoshop is one answer and not worth 20 a month, especially when we all have other subscriptions that are much better values.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (10 months ago)

Must have been posted about a nanosecond ago.
Missing the avalanche of outraged hobbyist posts.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2013/05/you-should-never-lose-access-to-your-work-period.html

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DuxX
By DuxX (10 months ago)

I don't want to pay rent for any software in the world. No way!

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

"the relatively low monthly fee does make Photoshop rather more accessible to new users on a budget."

I fail to see how this is the case. Before users on a budget could have just saved up for a year or two and then bought a perceptual licenses and had photoshop without ever having to pay again if they didn't want to or couldn't afford to. Having to budget extra money every month for life is not more affordable and does nothing to make the software more accessible. It just ends up costing a user who is on a budget even more.

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CBuff
By CBuff (10 months ago)

Ado-who ?

Great: double price, no protection of access to file formats (Premiere's CS7 files are already not compatible with CS6), no incentive for Adobe to innovate to encourage buyers to upgrade, customers forced to upgrade whether they have the time to train to a new tool or not, etc...

Epic fail.

Count me out.

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Reg Ister
By Reg Ister (10 months ago)

After trying a while , you will find out that the Gimp does nearly the same , but for free.

Look for the GIMP !

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (10 months ago)

I'll live with CS2 until they create a compelling reason for me to pay insane amounts of money to "rent" their software.

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Yorkshireman
By Yorkshireman (10 months ago)

The main reason why Adobe has gone to the cloud model is that the software is now mature and it essentially admits that any improvements from version to version are now likely to be relatively small, taking away great incentives for the customers to update every time. In other words, Adobe has run out of enough good ideas and wants to try and get income without much investment.
Any company which stops innovating will not survive in the long term, so if I owned Adobe shares, now would be the time to part company.

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