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Adobe releases Photoshop Lightroom 5

By dpreview staff on Jun 10, 2013 at 04:01 GMT
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Adobe has released Photoshop Lightroom 5, the latest version of its workflow and image editing software. Available as either an individual license or as part of a Creative Cloud subscription, Lightroom 5 adds a more advanced healing/cloning tool, automatic image leveling and perspective correction, a new selective editing tool and the ability to edit files that are offline. US pricing is $149 for new customers and $79 for the upgrade.

The shipping version of Lightroom 5 arrives eight weeks after its public beta was released and aside from a publish-to-Behance plugin, contains no additional enhancements beyond bug fixes. We've covered the features introduced in the Lightroom 5 public beta and you can read about them using the link below. As always, you can download the shipping version of Lightroom and use it in a fully functional demo mode for 30 days. Follow the second link below to go to the Lightroom section of Adobe's site.

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Press Release:

Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 Now Available

SAN JOSE, Calif. — June 10, 2013  Adobe today announced the availability of Adobe® Photoshop® Lightroom® 5 for Mac OS® and Windows®. The product is available as an individual license or as part of Adobe Creative Cloud™. Designed for both photography enthusiasts and professionals alike, Lightroom 5 adds critical photo editing capabilities and creates groundbreaking workflows. Lightroom 5 was initially released as a free, public beta in April 2013.

"Lightroom was originally conceived through the requests of Adobe customers, and this feedback continues to drive each new iteration," said Winston Hendrickson, vice president of products, Creative Media Solutions, Adobe. "As the digital photography landscape advances and evolves, Lightroom is the best solution for photographers and passionate hobbyists who want to get the most out of their digital images."

New Features in Lightroom 5

Lightroom 5 adds powerful new editing tools to help photographers create better images faster. The Advanced Healing Brush enables customers to fix irregularly shaped imperfections such as dust spots, splotches, and other distractions with the precision and flexibility of a fine brush. The Upright tool analyzes each image to automatically straighten objects such as buildings and level horizons. Radial Gradients offer customers the control to make photo subjects stand out by applying off-center and multiple vignettes in a single image.

Lightroom 5 also brings extended sharing and publishing capabilities. New video slideshows enable customers to combine still images, video clips and music in a creative HD slideshow that can be viewed on almost any device. Updates to the Book module bring the ability to create, personalize and print elegant photo books from a variety of tailored, easy-to-use templates, as well as create customer-specific templates.

Smart Previews, new in Lightroom 5, enable photographers to make edits to their images offline, without bringing their entire library of original files with them. Edits and metadata changes to Smart Preview files are automatically applied to the original images when they are reconnected.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 is available now for immediate download for Adobe Creative Cloud members. Standalone software is available at Adobe.com and participating retailers for US$149 or US$79 for upgrades. For more detailed information about product features, upgrade policies, pricing and language versions, please visit www.adobe.com/go/lightroom.

Customers can also connect with the Lightroom team directly on Facebook, via Twitter or on the Adobe Lightroom blog. For Lightroom how-to videos, visit http://www.youtube.com/lightroom. 

About Creative Cloud

Adobe Creative Cloud is a membership-based service that provides users with access to download and install Adobe creative desktop applications; game developer tools and integration with the Adobe Touch Apps. With Creative Cloud membership, users also have access to: a vibrant global creative community; publishing services to deliver apps and websites; cloud storage and the ability to sync to virtually any device; and new products and exclusive updates as they’re developed.

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Total comments: 281
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LadyRynn
By LadyRynn (9 months ago)

I'd never used Lightroom and relied on an older version Photoshop. I tried LR5 Beta and was quite surprised

Until recently I'd been using CS2 as most of my editing is for my 3D artwork. I decided to revisit my passion for photography and coincidentally see a review on LR5 Beta - so I gave it a try. For my 3D art I still use CS2 and a few other image editors but LR5 for photographic images in my view is pretty much 'Straight to the Point'. I have the proper version now and find it excellent.
I can't understand why some people seem to have issues with the speed. My machine copes very well and it's by my standards quite ancient (AMD Phenom X4 9850 + 16Gb RAM + 2x GTX550 Ti Cards SLI Linked)
I won't pay Adobe a monthly sum for something I have no use for!

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Darrell500
By Darrell500 (10 months ago)

I simply will not purchase any more Adobe products. I want to buy software i can use to edit photos and when an upgrade comes along with new features I want then i will buy it. With Adobe's SCAM I can 't even use the software unless I'm current on my monthly payments.

I also stopped my subscription to Kelby Training until he steps up to defend us photographers by offering classes in other types of photo editing software like my Corel and many others, time to stop Adobe's greed!!

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ZacharyRD
By ZacharyRD (10 months ago)

While I certainly respect your opinion, and I don't have any personal love for Adobe Creative Cloud either, you're away Adobe has publicly stated they plan to leave Lightroom as a stand-alone product, right?

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

Nikon released an update for CaptureNX 2 days ago: https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/57260

What about that Adobe fanboys who insist that CaptureNX is now Google's and terminated?

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (10 months ago)

As long as I can continue to add 3rd. party plug-ins to Photoshop CS4 & Bridge, I'm a happy camper. I don't need or want CS6, the cloud, or Lightroom. Once I became comfortable with recording my own actions and using layers, I found that there was nothing that I couldn't do if I wanted to with CS4. To me, every version after CS4 was just filled with fluff and marketing hype, and those are things that I prefer to sell to others rather than buy for myself.

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

So, let me get this right, as a photographer (for money, lets ignore the Pro word) who doesn't like Lightroom, and doesn't want to subscribe to CC, but has purchased the whole CS6 Master Suite, I cannot get the new features of Perspective correction, advanced healing etc??

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

no you are screwed.. ACR will not offer this for CS6 owners.

i mean you can just join the cloud and pay for the rest of your life.. isn´t that a great deal?!

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Sordid
By Sordid (10 months ago)

I'm still fiddling around with the Beta trying to figure out whether or not it's worth the purchase.
One thing that really puzzles me since I believe I'm doing something wrong here (Adobe can't be THAT stupid and not implement this in version 5): How can I zoom in and use the straighten tool?

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Alternative Energy Photography

I desperately need an organizer for my photos, and if this article had come out 2 months ago, I'd be all over it.

But now with Creative Cloud being crammed down everybody's throats, I fear Adobe in all things, and have been trying to look for alternatives, even for Adobe Reader. Especially for Adobe Reader; that damned thing is always needing to be updated, and that's a real hassle because I dislike auto updates.

I am very seriously thinking of going with Corel's organizer instead of Adobe's, or at least researching for others.

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Sordid
By Sordid (10 months ago)

If you only want to view PDFs, I'd recommended Sumatra PDF.
For simple viewing, its speed is second to none.
Want more functionality? Foxit.

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gw5815
By gw5815 (10 months ago)

Lightroom is available for purchase just as before and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. It's also part of Creative Cloud, but it's still available standalone purchase too.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

now how far in the future can the head CLOUD evangelist at adobe look? tell us that gw5815.

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Alternative Energy Photography

To gw5815:

It's very subjective, this "foreseeable future." Everybody foresees something different. For example, I foresee Lightroom being rolled into CC and removed from perpetual licensing with the next version of Creative Cloud.

What's my evidence, you ask? Easy: Creative Suite is going away in favor of Creative Cloud. If they did it once, what's to stop them from doing it again?

That is the definition of the term "cram down". Open wide!

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jam9
By jam9 (10 months ago)

Anyone else having problems with catalog optimization running forever? Doesn't end and can't quit so have to force quit Lightroom. I'm not talking about the initial catalog conversion on upgrade but running the Optimize Catalog command in LR5 thereafter.

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leonmb
By leonmb (10 months ago)

I wonder if this is fixed in LR 5.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Long term decreasing rentals and decreasing revenues would be even more effective than what may be a minor drop in stock price.

1 upvote
Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

http://regex.info/blog/2013-06-10/2268

"Warning Warning Warning

One thing I don't like is a very dangerous Publish-related bug that remains in the final 5.0, that can cause you to delete your master images without even realizing it!
"

don´t use LR 5 if you like your images....

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gw5815
By gw5815 (10 months ago)

Be sure to see the update - you're making this sound much more dramatic than it really is. I use LR daily and have never ever lost a single original image. Update is at http://regex.info/blog/2013-06-12/2270

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

well i don´t have to see the "update" because i can REPRODUCE the bug whenever i will.

and i only did not lose any images because i KNEW about this bug.

if i had deleted a selection.. the WRONG files were deleted.
isn´t that dramatic enough for you?

and you should read the comments.. this seems also to happen in the library view. thought i personally could not reproduce it there.

by the way YOU WORK FOR ADOBE.... so of course you are trying to make us belive it is not serious.. instead of fixing it fast.

you are a cloud evangelist at adobe..... the head cloud evangelist at adobe if i am right?
so prove your words and FIX IT fast.

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gw5815
By gw5815 (10 months ago)

Henry - I didn't say that we were not working on a quick solution to it. I don't know why you have to get so emotional and worked up. I simply pointed out that you make the bug sound more dramatic than it is. I've not met nor heard from a single photographer that lost any images in LR, PERIOD.

Yes, I am the director of evangelism, which means I manage a worldwide team of team of people that are advocates for you and other users. I'm also an aerial photographer (tigeraerial.com) and use Lightroom a LOT. Your statement telling people not to use LR if they don't want to lose images is a bit overly dramatic and misleading, which is why I jumped into the conversation.

I will check with the product team this week and find out what the status is of the bug. I'm very willing to help you guys escalate things, but let's keep it constructive and free of the attitude, ok?

Thanks!

Greg (Adobe)

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doc p
By doc p (9 months ago)

Greg, while all these other issues are leaving folks anticipating 5.1 "the debugged release" I am waiting for the IMO the main problem to be fixed: The development module is a pig! If you are expecting to use anything beyond cropping, color balance, and sharpening, lens correction - fahgetaboutit! This thing is a CPU killer with no workaround, . . unusable! I'm very bummed and currently stuck with LR 4 until the fix. LR has been my main library software since the beginning of LR and adding photo-centric tools over time has left my PS and other tools gathering dust, BUT the current version is killing a lot of good will, it should not have been released IMO. No need to tell me any tricks for speed and settings as I am optimal in every category including hardware, . . just like 4 & 3 versions 5.0 is a pig that needs fixing.

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doc p
By doc p (9 months ago)

continued: I am not giving up as LR is to integrated to my work flow (heck, it is my work flow!), but for goodness sakes if LR 5.0 is the future of non-pixel editing it may be time to stop the direction of the software and make PS more like LR rather then the other way around. You guys know what's happening when the develop module is used beyond the basics on even the fastest machines out here (like mine!) so just cop to it, maybe issue a mini-apology for waisting so many early adapters time and tell us your on it! PLEASE HURRY with 5.1 . . every day this is not addressed is hurting Adobe's reputation.

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doc p
By doc p (9 months ago)

continued: PS I will never purchase a version 1 from Adobe again - please don't tempt end users with promised tools that are in fact unusable, it dosen't make sense to me, LR 4 was just fine, I would have happily waited to upgrade when you delivered a usable (for my needs) product, as it is I have a ridiculous amount of man hours trying to get this dog to hunt, not good Adobe, not good. Back to LR 4 and slightly (OK, very!) -swear woerd deleted- about it.

I'm a realist and understand there are much worse things in life then a 1st world problem such as this - but that dosen't get back any of the free time I did beta-testing a failed release, . . I could have been out shooting!

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ShadowVlican
By ShadowVlican (10 months ago)

this massive bloat of a program requires the latest CPUs and SSDs to function at speed... it's funny watching my dated phenom x6 @ 3.5GHz and RAID0 7200rpm drives struggle with even scrolling through my library.

don't even start with videos and how they take forever to load "audio" (why?) and always import with the wrong dates

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

ShadowVlican:

Thank you for making that point.

I wish that those who say: “Well you can just use Lightroom 5 and its included ACR versions to replace PhotoShop CS6 and Bridge CS6 when Adobe no longer supports CS6,” would acknowledge how much faster Bridge is than Lightroom.

This kind of information should be a wakeup call to find/and/or develop a good raw reading replacement for Adobe’s Bridge.

(If you don’t know Bridge only comes with Creative Suite programs like PhotoShop and Premiere–one can’t just buy–subscribe to--it.)

Hope you managed to revert your system to the somewhat faster LR4.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

bridge is a snail.
it takes forver with big folders... not even worth mentioning as image viewer.

try photo mechanics....

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Henry M. Hertz:

Bridge isn't slow on my Window 7 computer (not the fastest i7 quadcore CPU with 8G of ram and a 1G video card).

Say 150 27MB raws display in a minute or two, so not instant, but fast--could be even faster if I used a SSD.

The problem with things like Photo Mechanic (which I'll try provided there's free trialware) is that these secondary and tertiary organizers often take years to read raws from newer cameras. So it's fine if your raws are from a two year old camera, but not if you want to look at stuff from a newish camera.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Henry M:

That PhotoMechanic5 seems like promising organization software to replace Adobe's Bridge, but it's not a lot faster. And if possible, it's not straightforward to change the external editor from say PhotoShop to say CaptureOne (there maybe a way, but it's not easy like with Bridge).

The trialware has a really stupid method of activation.

(camerabits.com, for those who searched "photo mechanics".)

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

Adobe stock still hasn't recovered from their CC announcement. But they haven't taken enough of a hit to care. Without taking a big hit, it may take them until the fall, when they're still hovering at $43/share to backpedal.

But keep the pressure on. They gotta see reason sometime, right?

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/adbe/interactive-chart?timeframe=1m&charttype=line

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Long term decreasing rentals and decreasing revenues would be even more effective than what may be a minor drop in stock price.

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Alternative Energy Photography

Howaboutraw is actually correct, although just repeating a post over and over is not the best way to get one's point across.

Anyhow, a stock drop over a few days or weeks is just transient. An extended downslide might (only might) make management sit up and take notice.

Extended downslides generally happen when the market thinks that the future is not promising for revenues (sales) and earnings (profits after expenses), and this often occurs as the market continues to see extended declines in sales and profits. Chicken/egg, if you will.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (10 months ago)

Does this version of LR support non-dSLR video files such as .MOV ? LR 4 doesn't.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (10 months ago)

It feels like I just gave Adobe $79 a few months ago.

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Wiggle Foot
By Wiggle Foot (10 months ago)

If Adobe wants people to upgrade, why is the upgrade price constant no matter which version of LightRoom you own?

Shouldn't upgrading from a recent version be cheaper than upgrading from an earlier version?

Of course, Adobe will probably read this comment and raise the upgrade prices for the earlier versions, instead of lowering the upgrade prices for the later versions.

Given Adobe's recent track record moving PhotoShop to the Creative Cloud, I expect nothing less.

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rarufu
By rarufu (10 months ago)

I was full of anger and frust when i heard from that CC stuff, it simply means i will not be able to get new versions of my beloved photoshop anymore.

-We all know why they do it.
-We all know they will ignore criticism for a while.
-We all know they will change their mind if people will not follow that CC stuff.

Do you really need to go on with this bashing again and again ?

I bought the Lightroom 5 upgrade because i like the new tools, i will never ever join the cloud, if everybody that is not a full professional does the same, Adobe managers will learn that people want to buy the SW as usual - but do not want the CC abo.

Dont get more and more outraged, be patient, at the end they will have to give up.

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Juck
By Juck (10 months ago)

The cracked version is already out there,, the price is the same for both PC & Mac. :)

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Even for non US residents its quite cheap.
But then again... I don't like torrents.

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JWest
By JWest (10 months ago)

Still no face tagging = still no upgrade from me.

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Princess Leia
By Princess Leia (10 months ago)

that will be on the next upgrade worth another $79.00 hahha

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (10 months ago)

I have both Lightroom and Aperture. Aperture has face tagging, and I turned it off. I don’t understand why anyone would want or need such a thing. It sounds cooler and more useful that it really is. In reality it's just annoying.

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JWest
By JWest (10 months ago)

I have no idea if Aperture's face tagging is badly implemented, as I've never used it. Picasa's works very well.

I want and need such a thing because I find it very useful keeping my collection properly tagged in Lightroom. Tagging people takes up a significant proportion of my time spent tagging. Having the app do it for me would save me that time.

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tonywong
By tonywong (10 months ago)

Face tagging works well for me. I use it to find photos of a person, usually for presentations like Weddings, Birthdays, Anniversaries and funerals (sadly).

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micronean
By micronean (10 months ago)

adobe is dead to me.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

from adobe:

■Images exported at less than 1/3 of their original size may not retain Output Sharpening and Noise Reduction settings.

this is an ugly bug. so resizing for web will not work for many.

i hope adobe will offer a fast bugfix for this.
or people have to wait until 5.1 is released in october or so to get a working LR.

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Takahashi
By Takahashi (10 months ago)

Does this bug exist in 4.x?

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Niklas Ramstedt
By Niklas Ramstedt (10 months ago)

Bought the upgrade yesterday and works like a charm. Why all the whining?

3 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Are you sure? I read a lot of complaints and bug reports.
Better to stay away from LR5 until these problems have been solved.

Even better is to stay away from LR forever now it doesn't fully support CS6 anymore...

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (10 months ago)

You aren't really 'just a photographer' are you? You spend hours trolling about dismissing anyone who happens to like Lightroom. Pathetic.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

well you have no clue about the bugs yet.. that´s the main problem...

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brumd
By brumd (10 months ago)

I really welcome the three improvements in the develop module (improved spot removal/radial filters/automated perspective correction), and so far I haven't experienced any bugs, but if you compare the differences between LR2->LR3, LR3->LR4, and now LR4->LR5, it hardly justifies the €80 to be honest.

If you'd secretly replace someone's LR4 with the new version, I bet it would take them a long time before they'd realize their software had been changed.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

the speed improvement is not a feature.. it´s a bug they solved.

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Niklas Ramstedt
By Niklas Ramstedt (10 months ago)

The radial gradient tool alone almost makes it worth it for me. Feels a lot snappier too on a Core i5 Quad Core with 8GB memory. On my Dell Precision M4700 with a core i7 and 16GB the difference from 4 seems even bigger. Switching between images (RAW from a D700) is instant. No lag when making adjustments either.
It might of course be a bit early to tell until I edit a whole photo shoot. But first impressions are thumbs up.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

yeah and they only needed 5 versions to give us this speed.

are we not happy customers.....

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mwilk34
By mwilk34 (10 months ago)

Just a Photographer: what do you mean that LR does not support CS6?

Thanks.

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udris
By udris (10 months ago)

............ beats spending it on a crappy fast food

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mcslsk
By mcslsk (10 months ago)

Not a single € to Adobe from this former customer.

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Matz03
By Matz03 (10 months ago)

wow this site is so full of whiners! You don't like adobe don't buy it! $80 upgrade is really that expensive, what a joke. Even $150 for the product is still a steal for what you get, probably more important then other photo gear you'll purchase.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (10 months ago)

Sheep. Bah.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

80 dollars for just a brush and a gradient tool.
Sure that is worth the money....

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (10 months ago)

blah blah blah JaP, once again

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Jeff Seltzer
By Jeff Seltzer (10 months ago)

Seriously. Some guy below claims Adobe's decision is an assault on his freedom??!! Anyway, it's not like your version 4.x doesn't work anymore. For me, the new features are very much worth it. But, hey, that's me - I'm a big spender, I guess. I'm Mr. Big.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

i guess you are just stupid...

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Jeff Seltzer
By Jeff Seltzer (10 months ago)

Henry, very well crafted. You are very smart.

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Jeff Seltzer
By Jeff Seltzer (10 months ago)

I have been using and enjoying the Beta version of 5. I think there are some significant feature updates vs. 4. For any of you that have purchased v5, are there are new features not in the beta? ALSO, what's with all the hostility towards Adobe?? It's just software. Lighten up.

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (10 months ago)

It's not just "software", it's a new paradigm (LR is still an exception).
It's a new way to try and take away from us what little freedom we have.

So, yeah, it's right to be angry about ADBE, and it's right to be angry about the recent Verizon scandal, and the fact that Mr. Snowden has to go into hiding, same as Mr. Assange.

Next comes "it's just your privacy, lighten up", and from there is only a downward spiral.

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Jeff Seltzer
By Jeff Seltzer (10 months ago)

Like I said, Lighten up. It's just software. Sorry, I think you are over-reacting. Adobe is not taking away your freedom. Good grief.

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calxn
By calxn (10 months ago)

Video preview and playback broken in Lightroom 5. At least it is broken for videos from Fuji X100, D7000, NEX-7.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

for some of my videos support is broken after version 3.6.

it´s confirmed bug. the videos import fine in LR 3.6 but after LR 4 i jut get an error message that the files can not be imported..

i have send examples to adobes QE team and they confirmed it. nothing happend since LR 4.

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Adam L Productions
By Adam L Productions (10 months ago)

Not giving Adobe a dime. Adobe you can blame your stupid decision on distribution for Photoshop on my lack of purchase, and all other future purchases of any of your products.

2 upvotes
Dennishh
By Dennishh (10 months ago)

Not enough improvements and cost to much for nothing.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (10 months ago)

Did those idiots at Adobe finally did proper dpi-control for those who have hi-res monitor? I bet no.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (10 months ago)

Nope...at least I cannot find it.

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hyperborea
By hyperborea (10 months ago)

At least those idiots know proper grammar...

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Eric Hensel
By Eric Hensel (10 months ago)

It's the internet, hyperborea --can you say "English as a second language"?
I thought you could...

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

hyperborea is the typical american idiot (trademark green day) who has learned only one language in school.... english.

and now he is so proud.
while all the world has to learn at least two languages.

stupid americans, narrow horizon.....

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Lea5
By Lea5 (10 months ago)

Henry...and they passively accept total surveillance by the NSA, taking away their freedoms.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

You can't expect much from a country who 12% believe that Unicorns really exist and 35% think that The Cloud is composed from real clouds, can you?

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calking
By calking (10 months ago)

Funny how silly euros find it acceptable to stereotype Americans, but when the tables are turned us Americans are branded "haters". And for the record -- all you proud-to-be Third Worlders have satellites and cameras watching you too, or listening to your chatter on your cells/net. You keep on believing its just Americans if you want, but that ain't the case.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (10 months ago)

@calking

You're right, so and so stereotyping Americans in relation to US citizens is not so nice to all of those who do live in America but not in the US.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

Sadly these days with any software it is best to wait until after a couple of patches, now called "updates" to make them sound better, before buying as the user base is being used as a last round of testing. It is prevalent among all software publishers and not limited to Adobe.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

well but with you renting software from adobe soon and no other choice then renting, there is no need to hurry for adobe to fix bugs.

ok you can still buy a lic for LR... but speaking about all the other adobe products.

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raincoat
By raincoat (10 months ago)

With software? How about with hardware? Look at how many 'firmware updates' certain brands chucks out with new cameras nowadays. Some brands are at v1.02 after 3 years, others are at v2.3 after 3 months.

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Cariboou
By Cariboou (10 months ago)

After joint to Adobe Cloud almost one month ago today I upgrade from LR4.4 to LR5 I have to say that while pay 57$ for a Adobe Cloud for me it's ok, I hate pay 200$ for cable tv, internet and phone home any month this bug me believe me!

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (10 months ago)

200 a month...? In which nation do you live?

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aljudy
By aljudy (10 months ago)

Do you pay less? My bill for Cable TV, Internet, and cell phone is more than $200/month in California.

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (10 months ago)

Aljudy, I think he can have it cheaper.
Also in my place one can have it all for about half of the price You mentioned (100+ tv channels, 30Mb/s transfer by wire, 8G/mo transfer on air, cellphone with free calls everywhere in the country).

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Lea5
By Lea5 (10 months ago)

200 USd is a lot. 56 Euros for that stuff here. I wouldn't pay more.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (10 months ago)

@By aljudy (1 day ago)
Yes, if I have to pay my cell phone bills myself I would pay around 100 Euros.

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nathansmith
By nathansmith (10 months ago)

How to save $50 to $80 on Creative Cloud (for Pro Photographers)...

If you're like me, and use Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6, you're probably excited about the new Lightroom 5 and the upcoming Photoshop CC.

Lightroom 5 was released yesterday, and I almost downloaded the full version today, but then realized that my beta version is good through June 30. Because I own Photoshop CS6, I have until July 31st to get the $19.99 rate on the Creative Cloud. By continuing to use my beta version of Lightroom 5 through June 30, then downloading trial versions of the full versions of Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CC on June 30th, plus whatever other CC software I want to use, which will be good until July 30, I will save over $80, since the Creative Cloud will be $49.99 a month after my 1st year. And if you can't wait to try out Photoshop CC, you can still download trial versions of it and Lightroom 5 when the CC versions are released which will last you for 30 days, which will still save you $50.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

[sarcastic mode]
Adobe wants to give you the 'best' experience
According to them this can only be given to software that is based upon their cloud. Rental software never fails according to Adobe, that is why LR5 is so buggy. Its still available as a perpetual license which is a pain in the @ss for them.
[/sarcastic mode]

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wlachan
By wlachan (10 months ago)

By the time LR6 hits the market, LR5.x will be bug free enough for serious use. 4.4 is the real deal for now.

8 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

This strategy works well with the Apple OS, too. Seriously.

1 upvote
Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

reported and confirmed so far:

JPG export bugs....
still a reported and unfixed adjustment brush bug
installer issues
catalog update issues

hell adobe will love the cloud.. and all the morons who pay anyway... no matter how bugy the releases.

3 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Wasn't it this company that pushes everybody to the cloud?
Now imagine what happens if this issue would occur with their finest product the so called best customer experience Photoshop in the cloud?

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

well some morons in management decided it´s a good idea.

the whole cloud stuff is just a bubble like so many other IT nonsense.

lets look how many lost hours of work the year 2013 will bring because of cloud issues. and i don´t speak about the adobe cloud only.

if something does not work as expected they just shrug shoulders and go on as if nothing happend.

your data erased? please look at our EULA´s...

as if a sane person would trust adobe or any other big company..... but there are enough morons out there.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (10 months ago)

Aftershot Pro (corel's LR clone) just dropped to $25 at amazon (digital download)

I'm not sure if they are scared of LR5 or ASP 2.0 is on the way....

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Princess Leia
By Princess Leia (10 months ago)

I am sure they had all these features from beginning. They just want to release them every two years and call them UPGRADE!

5 upvotes
roblarosa
By roblarosa (10 months ago)

I love these people that buy $3000 full frame cameras and $1500+ lenses and then complain about an $80 upgrade that is purely optional.

LR 4 still works! New cameras that will come along and won't be supported by LR4 can always be processed through the FREE DNG converter. Get a grip, people!

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

But when you think about it, there really is no reason that support for new cameras has to be tied to buying the latest version of Lightroom. It's one thing to buy the latest version to get some great new feature, but the ability to open your images is a necessity, not a feature.

6 upvotes
Richard Costin
By Richard Costin (10 months ago)

Each camera actually has a unique raw structure that needs a lot of work to fit into the ACR engine (and a different set of work per process version). If camera vendors decided to embrace the (open source) DNG format it would be much, much easier. Adobe actually do a champion effort of making all these (propitiatory I might add) formats work in a single app.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

DNG open source?

Only so far as Adobe allows.
If you look at their SDK you will soon find out that its not that open to you as a 3rd party developer... I think its a big misconception to think that DNG is this holy grail of RAW encapsulating.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

That's a fair point about Adobe working hard at decoding the various proprietary formats. Of course, Adobe is paid well for their trouble. As for universal adoption of DNG, Adobe's cloud debacle has probably shifted the proprietary vs. DNG question even further away from DNG.

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leebee
By leebee (10 months ago)

DNG was effectively killed as a universal format for RAW files when Adobe tried to force everyone to their "cloud". The sheer arrogance of Adobe's management is astounding. Hopefully when this all blows up the Adobe board of directors will finally start doing their job and clean house.

5 upvotes
raincoat
By raincoat (10 months ago)

Not only that, DNG simply doesn't support all the data RAWs do. Look at Pentax. Shoot in PEF, get lots of features. Shoot in DNG, sht like focus distance is missing.

2 upvotes
dudikaz
By dudikaz (10 months ago)

LR5 has issues - Output Sharpening and Noise Reduction not working:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1229132

3 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (10 months ago)

Beta testing was worthwhile then.

6 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

This is what a company does that feels that their competitors are breething in their neck.

Lets see if apple releases Aperture 4 tonight.

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MadManAce
By MadManAce (10 months ago)

I just tested this on LR5 and it worked fine. I also compared it to LR4 and the results are the same. Overall LR5 feels more like LR4 2.0. It is faster changing modules, and the healing brush is better. These (LR4) fixes will help speed up my workflow, but I am not thrilled having to pay for what seems like LR4 patches.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

it does not work fine.

it RANDOMLY works fine.. as described in the bug thread.

0 upvotes
Hans van Eijsden
By Hans van Eijsden (10 months ago)

Bug has been confirmed by Adobe. "Images exported at less than 1/3 of their original size may not retain Output Sharpening and Noise Reduction settings."

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Swinster
By Swinster (10 months ago)

And still no photostitch panorama or HDR......

1 upvote
BaldCol
By BaldCol (10 months ago)

I find it hard to imagine how these features could be implemented in a non destructive workflow programme like LR. These and many of the other features people are claiming are 'missing' from LR are what Photoshop (or PS Elements) is for.

5 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

That will never be added to an RAW editor.
Remember LR is just ACR with some managementmodule attached to it.

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arqomx
By arqomx (10 months ago)

will stick with 4.4 and GIMP for a while... maybe until 2-3 years later when the upgrade provides more bang for the buck :D

0 upvotes
Paul Ennis
By Paul Ennis (10 months ago)

Like a Judas, I crossed the picket line and bought the upgrade. You'll all be pleased to know that it won't download using IE10. Adobe customer service response, 'you will have to install Firefox'. Nice.

3 upvotes
EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (10 months ago)

IE 10 being a sack of crap is hardly Adobe's fault though is it.

2 upvotes
Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (10 months ago)

Amazing. I had the problem using Firefox, and they told me to try IE !

1 upvote
leebee
By leebee (10 months ago)

Really? Or is this great ironic sarcasm?

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Paul Ennis
By Paul Ennis (10 months ago)

Using Compatibility Mode fixed this BTW

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Johnsonj
By Johnsonj (10 months ago)

Again? I can't keep up! I need to totally ditch this company. I don't use half of what this program has to offer. I just get the idea that Adobe's trying to squeeze more money out of me. I'm sick of paying for this program over and over again! And their customer service SUCKS big time.

2 upvotes
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (10 months ago)

I just checked … Lightroom 4 still works!

12 upvotes
roblarosa
By roblarosa (10 months ago)

Yes - companies that release software and never improve it or add to it are much better than companies that continually offer new features.

7 upvotes
razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

If recent experience is anything to go by this will probably their last non-cloud version. Rather than looking at LR I will be looking at the latest offerings from Phase One, or something else outside the Adobe Orwellian future.

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

--And buy a new camera. Ok, it was a big expenditure, but now you're ready to see those great new images, right? But wait; there's one more thing to buy because your perfectly usable version of Lightroom no longer works because you bought a new camera.

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nosnoop
By nosnoop (10 months ago)

Wait till you buy a new camera....

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mgblack74
By mgblack74 (10 months ago)

It's a $79 upgrade. Heck, most of us were on a 2 year upgrade with DSLR's. $79 is a few Starbuck's tazomochalattecinos. That said, it's the middle of wedding season and I'm not downloading new software with bugs on launch. I'll wait 'til 5.1 at least. I thought Adobe was the echelon of software. How do they have (big) bugs on launch? It's not LR 1. It's LR5!

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (10 months ago)

Considering the mostly used tools in a typical workflow, many people will be more than happy with ACDSee Pro ($60). Add some freeware like Paint.NET for a wide open source of filters and effects, and you can forget all the trouble with prices, policies, clouds etc.
And people used to all-in-one suite should, IMO, seriously consider Corel.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

And ACDSee Pro doesn't do raw extraction particularly well.

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wireless
By wireless (10 months ago)

Why not just pay the $79? Doesn't seem that much relative to the amount invested in lenses, cameras, computer... I sure not going to try to do the same things as it does with a bunch of freeware and half-baked programs. Been there done that. But like a previous poster said, last time he checked LR 4 still works.

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JRdToit
By JRdToit (10 months ago)

"half-baked programs."

I'm sorry have you not been reading the bug reports. Paying for the program is buying a half-baked program.

0 upvotes
ArcaSwiss
By ArcaSwiss (10 months ago)

My disgust with Adobe pales in comparison to my disgust with the US government. But they do have a lot in common.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Adobe is spying on your internet usage?

In the US the government provides all sorts of services like highways, paid for by taxes, but these highways don't stop working for you based on some fee you didn't pay last month, so that's very very unlike Adobe.

So on the whole not, even if both parties behaviors are disgusting, they're not behaving in similarly disgusting ways.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW

Have you ever installed an app like little snitch?
Then you would know that Adobe's software constantly calls home to many of their IP adresses for NO need.

That is only done to see what you are doing and to check if you are not doing anything illegal.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Just a Photographer:

I'm quite certain that my copy of PhotoShop CS 6 does not call into Adobe. (Once in while I ask it to check for updates.) The big reason I'm certain is that I use dial up, but then there's my firewall and the fact that I've turned off a lot small Adobe background programs.

Anyhow, the software that does that kind of thing (I can think of some Java/Oracle) doesn't then track your web usage.

So the equivalence remains false, even if Adobe did what you claim.

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (10 months ago)

84.33 actually. Peanuts in the big picture of our business.

1 upvote
Cipher
By Cipher (10 months ago)

To those sticking with LR4, what will happen when Adobe releases updates to LR5 that enable it to handle RAW files from new cameras?

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frazbrown
By frazbrown (10 months ago)

I'm still using LR3 with my RX100 RAW files, I just use the free Adobe DNG Converter, yes it's 1 extra step but saves some money :)

Alternatively you could just buy Pentax cameras as they produce DNG files for RAW anyway.

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JayEm Photos
By JayEm Photos (10 months ago)

@ Cipher: I switched to Capture One... does a great job... IMHO much better than LR (once you get used to the GUI).

I use Capture One now for about 4 years, but I only used it for my IIQ files. I ditched LR after Adobe announced their "CC only" business model (and yes, I know, you still can get LR without a CC subscription)... After processing some NEF files from my D4 and my D800 (for comparison) that I've previously processed in LR4, I wondered why I waited so long to switch... especially in the skin tones Capture One does a much better job...

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

Use whatever software comes with the camera. This will most likely produce a .tiff file which may turn out to be the "new" high quality universal file type. At least the folks who make cameras feel obligated to provide a way to open the images produced by the camera.

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Vince P
By Vince P (10 months ago)

It only saves money if time is free.

1 upvote
mimot13
By mimot13 (10 months ago)

@Cipher & @JayEm Photos : ok, LR5 upgrade is not so much expensive.. but C1 (now with lower prices !!) is in most areas much more better than LR. Rendering is obviously better and I have to do less adjustments to get what I want. Why to stay with a company which is trying to trap customers within their system ? DNG is already an abortive project, probably used by people who have no access to their image format with a non upgraded LR. Time will tell...

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (10 months ago)

This should just have been version 4.5 :(

What Lightroom really needs is a more efficient and flexible interface like Photoshop. I hate switching between Library and Develop, or scrolling up and down the side panels. Unnecessary nuisance among many others.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (10 months ago)

You don't need to scroll up and down the side panels if you have the option switched on which allows you to click on one group panel to open it and then it automatically closes down the other group panel you were using.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom/using/WSD7BD0F8A-12B6-4064-99BA-2D844172C124.html#WSD0BDE389-2C89-472d-952C-DC866DF77DAE

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (10 months ago)

I know, found out about that not too long ago. Definitely better. But still feels like going backwards compared to Photoshop. It's like they have to re-invent everything even though they have done it all once before.

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ParrySights
By ParrySights (10 months ago)

Jeez People:
As a photo enthusiast I use LR4 about 10 hours per week. I could bitch and moan about the prices for a few months and lose the productivity benefits (yes the improvements are real), or just get over it. At $80 for an upgrade and perhaps 500 hours of use in a year it costs me about $0.16 per hour of use. I think my time is worth that, yours may not.

So hang on for a few months and then upgrade. But be ready to bitch and moan about the LR6 upgrade price once sooner rather than later. The value/price ratio for software nowadays is incredible when I look back two or three decades.

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blurredvision
By blurredvision (10 months ago)

Get out of here with your logic, it's not welcome.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

Sticking to good old reliable and efficient CaptureNX....

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (10 months ago)

I take it you know Nik are no longer developing this program for Nikon since Google has taken Nik over which leaves the future development of the program up in the air at present.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Stu 5:

Stu 5: Except CaptureNX is Nikon software not the Nik software that Google bought. And Nikon is certainly adding Nikon cameras to CaptureNX 2.X

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

madeinlisboa:

Because CaptureNX... works so well when extracting raws from Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, Pentax/Ricoh, Samsung, etc--oh not.

Now CaptureOne on the other hand...

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (10 months ago)

HowaboutRAW CaptureNX was developed by Nik for Nikon. Nikon add the new cameras but they do not design the upgrades to the program, ie when new versions come out. Those were designed by Nik. Nik have already stated since being bought out by Google that they will no longer be developing the program for Nikon. Nikon is no longer one of Nik's clients. That means Nikon will have to get software designers in or find a new company to develop the software on their behalf.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Stu 5:

Show me a link to Nik-Google saying this about Capture NX? (Not trade publication summaries.)

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eclipsevv
By eclipsevv (10 months ago)

Capture NX2 was developed by Nik originally, but ownership returned to Nikon Japan well before Google acquisition. Nik was no longer developing Capture NX anyway.

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Johnsonj
By Johnsonj (10 months ago)

@ Stu 5...I'm hoping Google has something remarkable in the works. Anything to be free from Adobe.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

eclipsew:

That's about what I thought, do you have further details on this separation?

Wikipedia only says that Capture NX will remain separately developed by Nikon.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

I doubt there will be any upgrades for Capture NX2 but it definitely was a NIK product. Nikon had virtually nothing to do with it except for buying it.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

So how come Capture is still being updated???

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JayEm Photos
By JayEm Photos (10 months ago)

I've tested the Beta... didn't impress me, especially because it still has problems with IIQ files (Phase One)...

I use Capture One Pro for adjusting my IIQ files since I got the Phase One... after Adobes "Cloud Only" announcement, I decided to do all my Raw processing in Capture One...

LR4 only stays on my machines to open my old job catalogs when needed...

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