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Just Posted: Canon EOS 700D / EOS Rebel T5i review

By dpreview staff on Jun 10, 2013 at 20:47 GMT
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Just Posted: Our review of the Canon EOS 700D / EOS Rebel T5i. The 700D may be a near-identical twin of the short-lived EOS 650D, but it's still a worthy option for novice DSLR upgraders, combining high image quality and an articulated LCD with a comprehensive touchscreen interface. This new model also ships with an STM version of the 18-55mm kit zoom, providing another welcome option for faster, silent AF. What else does the 700D have to offer? Read our review to find out.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (10 months ago)

People are laughing at Canon now. 4 years ago, when the sensor was first released in 7d, it was VERY different. It is a fast-paced industry, and somebody fell asleep at the wheel...

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (10 months ago)

Scoop!

The next line of models after this one is rumored to be called STD!

STD!

Spot The Difference!

.

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f64manray
By f64manray (10 months ago)

You have a better chance of finding Waldo.

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dezufnoC
By dezufnoC (10 months ago)

Hrmmmmmm.... I'm looking at this from the video recording perspective. As I am also upgrading from the 300D I look at this as killing 2 birds with 1 stone.... an upgraded camera with video recording capabilities....Sounds like a win win for me.

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f64manray
By f64manray (10 months ago)

The 700D is a very poor choice for video. There is no headphone jack, and I think there may be only AGC for audio. Also, there are other better choices for picture quality as well (GH3). For stills, yes the rebel would be a fine choice.

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dezufnoC
By dezufnoC (10 months ago)

Appreciate that feedback. I actually have been tossing around the GH3 as well. I just found out the GH3 has no video recording limit on it. which is a huge plus for me. Looks like the choice has been made.

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Mr Blah
By Mr Blah (10 months ago)

The 700D does have manual audio level control (albeit not while recording), just to clarify.

That said, The GH3 is definitely the better camera for video. If you don't mind the hike in price, change in system, and smaller sensor, then I'd absolutely recommend it.

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ErikH
By ErikH (10 months ago)

Well, it's a dilemma for me. I'm upgrading from a 350D and the 700D felt the best to me in the store. I'm sure that it is a good camera but there are so many options now that it makes it a dangerous time to purchase because of the potential opportunity cost.

What to do, what to do?

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vapentaxuser
By vapentaxuser (10 months ago)

If you can live with your 350D for a little longer, I would wait. Canon will most likely release a 70D with an all new sensor later on this year, and if that happens, people will probably choose the 70D over the 700D which would prompt Canon to drop the price substantially on the 700D.

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ErikH
By ErikH (10 months ago)

Thanks, good advice. It's always difficult to wait but I don't have to have a cam now. Then I'll be tempted by the 70D.

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maynardac
By maynardac (10 months ago)

This camera might have a slow AF on live view, but overall it is the best for Rebel family... Bought this one and the 24-105mm lens... perfect combination.

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AP7
By AP7 (10 months ago)

Excellent camera with TONS of features albeit AGED sensor and relatively slower Liveview AF.

The kit lens is cheaply built, e.g., the front element of the lens is not finished well in the corner. Just see circumference of the front lens element, you'll find rough edges. Shame on you Canon for making such an optically excellent, but cheap finishing and feeling lens! When you wipe the lens with cloth, you'll feel rough edges. Shame Shame .....

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white shadow
By white shadow (10 months ago)

What do you expect for a USD120+ kit lens? At least, the latest version is optically much improved.

If you need a better quality lens, go for a Zeiss. They are made to old school standards but it is not very cheap. Moreover, you will have to learn manual focus. It not difficult if you are a photographer.

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AP7
By AP7 (10 months ago)

You don't need to buy Zeiss. Of course, you can buy if you like. That's your choice. Nobody is preventing you. But, I expect the same quality as original CANON EF-S 18-55mm IS, or Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Pentax, etc. like finishing. They all produce kit lens with smoother finishing in front element. Go to any store and compare all the kit lenses.

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white shadow
By white shadow (10 months ago)

The problem is Canon has not been very consistent with their quality recently. Other than their popular 70-200mm f/2.8L IS MkII, 70-200mm f/4.0L IS and some expensive "L" primes, the built quality of the rest left us with something to be desired. Many suffer from zoom creep, for example.

Even the latest 24-70mm f/2.8L MkII costing more than USD2000 feel plastiky. No doubt it is optically very good at the wide end it is not so great at 70mm. The 24-105mm f/4.0L IS has many issues like huge barrel distortion at the wide end. The 24-70mm f/4.0L IS has focus shift.

But not all is lost. The 40mm f/2.8 pancake lens, for example, is surprisingly good.

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f64manray
By f64manray (10 months ago)

Canon makes a fine still camera, but it severely lags behind the GH3 in the video realm. This is becoming more than a joke.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (10 months ago)

And then came Blackmagic...

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f64manray
By f64manray (10 months ago)

....and then came Magic Lantern with their latest hack for the 5DIII. It competes with with even Alexa according to many in the cinema community. The quality is possible with Canon's current hardware and yet Canon continues to piddle along protecting their C300 ignoring the far more profitable $1,200-$2K price point.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (10 months ago)

"Canon makes a fine still camera"

Not really, its base ISO DR is whopping 2-3EV behind the competition (Nikon/Sony/Pentax...) and high ISO quality is 1EV behind Nikon and Pentax and Sony NEX (and even behind Sony's translucent-mirrored Cameras and smaller-sensor m43s). It is not even funny anymore.

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white shadow
By white shadow (10 months ago)

Whatever it is, the Canon 700D is a reasonable camera especially for the newbie. For those who have an earlier model it is a good opportunity they don't have to spend more money. Just spend your energy to improve your art of photography and perhaps buy a new lens with the money you have saved. Consider buying a much superior lens like the Zeiss 35mm f2.0 and improve your manual focusing skills, zone focusing and to master a particular focal length.

Having the latest or improved camera does not make one a better photographer.

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Horshack
By Horshack (10 months ago)

For those saying we shouldn't complain about the incremental improvements on the Rebel line since all modern cameras have great IQ and it's the photographer that makes the difference, I would tend to agree. However the point is that Canon expects consumers to shell out $750 for a "new" camera that has identical IQ and similar features as the three-generation old T2i, which can be had for less than $300 used. That's a pretty tough sell.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

True. I really can't find a reason to buy this camera over a used T2i, The same can be said for the T3i and T4i as well. For most people buying these cameras who just use them mostly on auto with the kit lens a used T2i is more than enough and for the more enthusiast minded users, well they would be better off getting a cheaper used T2i as well and spending more on decent glass. Besides they probably will end up upgrading to a 60D or 7D or whatever new semi-pro APS-C camera Canon comes out with eventually anyway so dropping a lot of money on what is essentially a place holder body would be foolish.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (10 months ago)

T4i at least brought all cross-type AF, which is a real upgrade over the older Rebel AF system featuring only 1 cross type point and 8 line type. More pictures in focus is a definite image quality boost.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Canon fixed some manufacturing issues and wanted to get away from the reputation those initial defects had on the T4i body. Not only that, they know what their release schedule is for whatever new sensor they have in the works and most likely wanted to keep the Rebel releases on track to be either short or as regular as clockwork so that the next body will come out after the higher end bodies with the new sensor right on schedule. Most people neither know nor care why the new body is released, but they do know when a release should be coming and will often postpone the purchase until they see the latest and greatest. This is not an unprecedented action.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (10 months ago)

Perhaps not. Every day, someone somewhere decides, "Hey, I need a simple DSLR. That Canon looks nice." They won't know, or care to hazard, a discontinued or used unit. On the other hand, others will opt to use only their phone cameras, which play the biggest checkmate role in new camera sales.

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Shaun Iza
By Shaun Iza (10 months ago)

There may not be a great deal of compelling reasons for someone with a T2i to upgrade to the T5i. However, for someone like me who was looking at getting a new interchangeable lens system and compared practically every player out there, the T5i does look very good. The on sensor phase detection coupled to the STM glass is a big improvement. The touch screen doesn't sound like much, but it is very useful in a lot of situations. Finally, I compared prices and quality of additional lenses-which is the whole the point of having an SLR. The lenses are where Canon had complete advantage over its competition.

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Shaun Iza
By Shaun Iza (10 months ago)

I have it and couldn't be happier; to me this is the best budget camera out there. I tried the N(32XX) but the sharpness of images and focusing accuracy I wanted weren't there. I had the P(Xr) which was really a terrible camera; the only way to get accurate focus was in manual. Photographers should be less concerned with impressive spec sheets conjured up by marketing departments and be more concerned with instruments that deliver impressive results without too much effort. Stop criticizing and go try the T5i with the 18-135STM and you will also get it.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (10 months ago)

I think it is a fine camera, I just don't get why it exists. They could have just kept the T4i around for another year.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

The longer the latest Rebel body is on the market the more likely people will question their upcoming purchase and wait for a release. Canon needed to get the Rebel releases to match up with upcoming sensor releases so that two years after the last body came out somebody isn't sitting around thinking "it's been way too long since the last release and I've waited enough so I'm going to XYZ company" as many of the whiners in other forums drone on and on and on about. Canon did something similar with the 7D's new firmware, but instead of renaming the same body they simply released a free and significant upgrade to keep people happy until the somewhat delayed new body hits the shelves. Product development isn't always predictable or smooth.

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white shadow
By white shadow (10 months ago)

There are two types of people in the world, one who keep buying the latest model and the other go out with whatever they have and shoot some photos. Yes, there is one more kind. Those who collects cameras to show off especially expensive cameras like Leica.

Remember, marketing companies like Nikon and Canon will continue to introduce "new" cameras so that they can meet their sales targets for the year. Without new sales, they will close shop. So, we consumers are usually the victims. We used up our money and they will be smilling to the bank. Try to use whatever you have for at least 5 years

Buy some good quality prime lenses instead. You will get better use of your money. Enjoy the better colour, sharpness and bokeh.

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maynardac
By maynardac (10 months ago)

I think it is the best camera in its class... some people are just upset cause the 650D or T4i that was just released just got obsolete

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Noogy
By Noogy (10 months ago)

Right camera for its target market, not for most of us airheads and arrogant, self-proclaimed photographers that gang up on newbies in this forum. If solely on the basis of comments, Nikon and Canon should have both been out of business for a very long time. They make shabby cameras and are the relative personification of all things evil in the digital imaging world, with images that are noisier that the noise in this forum. But lo and behold, Nikon and Canon continue to make tons of money as they have over the past few decades.

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Jim
By Jim (10 months ago)

You make good points. However, as a Canon owner and enthusiast, I will say that this particular "upgrade" by the company is one in name only. Canon shouldn't have bothered with this as it just opens them up to (justified) criticism without any upside. This is just a strange move on their part and they would have been better off to simply issue a firmware upgrade to T4i/650D owners and not change model names.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

Actually this cameras target market would be much better served by getting a used/refurbished T2i,T3i, or T4i, than dropping much more money on what is essentially the same camera with a couple extra gimmicks thrown in.

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Jim
By Jim (10 months ago)

Agreed. In addition, I'm surprised that DPreview bothered to do a full review on it. Go figure.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (10 months ago)

Toyota's products are more interesting.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (10 months ago)

Canon Congrats !!!! you're getting worst and worst year after year

-P.S I could have sold my EOS 400D as new

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/870|0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/813|0/(brand2)/Canon/(appareil3)/692|0/(brand3)/Canon

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toni2
By toni2 (10 months ago)

I agree with you. Canon Rebel sensor is worse year after year. Best image quality is on rebel model 550d. It's INCREDIBLE.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (10 months ago)

OMG! This is the bestest camera evar! Look at all those improvements! The Hybrid focusing is worth the price alone! But the touch screen is sent from the Camera Gods! OMG, Canon, you rock!!!!

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

The touch screen is really smooth. It is the same as the SL1 and it truly rocks! I was a bit concerned as I am used to the dials and joysticks but after a trip using the SL1 I was converted. It is really easy and saves a lot in navigating to the desired setting.

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Davidfstop
By Davidfstop (10 months ago)

OMG! This is the bestest camera evar! Errr, No it isn't!

Look at all those improvements! The Hybrid focusing is worth the price alone! Err, No it isn't

But the touch screen is sent from the Camera Gods! OMG, Canon, you rock!!!! Err, No it wasn't and No it doesn't

Even DP review rate the Pentax K5 higher.

Even the lowly K30 rates much higher!!
But thats Ok, you like your Canon, and I like Pentax.
OTH I also have the Canon 600D (which I like too) and thatscores higher than the 700

Interesting or what?

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (10 months ago)

Geeesh, a lot of peeps here can't get sarcasm no more! ;-P

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Davidfstop
By Davidfstop (10 months ago)

Ah, Ditto! nice one....

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toni2
By toni2 (10 months ago)

Canon xxxd model image quality is worse each time: 550d is better than 600d, 600d is better than 650d, 650d is better than 700d...
It's incredible!!

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

Here is a photo taken with Canon SL1 handheld....
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/not-a-semper-agustus-levin-rodriguez.html

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Davidfstop
By Davidfstop (10 months ago)

I don't disagree with this comment either!

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (10 months ago)

Where's Leica Mini M picture and specs? Hope it is more exciting news than this Canon......

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Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (10 months ago)

I agree with the poster below...
The Canon T5i and SL1 Rebels are on a mission. IMHO, their mission has absolutely nothing to do with trying to impress the pixel peepers with a new higher density megapixel count...instead they are on a mission to extract more money from unknowing buyers by selling a rebadged T4i with a minor firmware update.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

I bought a SL1 for my wife and I can tell you that it is an awesome camera. Here is a photo taken handheld....
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/not-a-semper-agustus-levin-rodriguez.html

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armandino
By armandino (10 months ago)

now tell me if there is anything on the market like the SL1. I take it over a mirror less any day!

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (10 months ago)

Why not sell a 700D patch to glue over the 650D (T54i) (Kiss X6i) model for $25.00 and download the software upgrade for another $25.00?

Really...Canon... *poke* *poke*

.

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maksa
By maksa (10 months ago)

What is going on? I don't see Performance page in the latest reviews of D5200 and K-5 II, but it exists in the review of 700D! Please do not exclude timing tests from your reviews!

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marleni
By marleni (10 months ago)

Only 80 days after its official presentation the Canon 700D gets a 27-page review. Wow! ... I am looking forward to many up-to-date extensive reviews to follow this pattern on dpreview soon ;-)

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Davidfstop
By Davidfstop (10 months ago)

Here, here!

But there's a lot of catching up to do first ;-)

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Treeshade
By Treeshade (10 months ago)

Sensor? DSLR users may care, but most DSLR ownesr don't. An easy-to-use interface is all that matters when DSLRs are used like, on average, three hours per year. (Hypothetically, of course!)

The review is still helpful to those first time DSLR buyers, of course.

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fz750
By fz750 (10 months ago)

To be honest I was expecting some "critical analysis" from DPR about Canon releasing the same camera again (admittedly with *some" video/liveview improvements) with the emphasis on the critical! (perhaps a comparative table of where other manufacters have put som effort in..)

Seems to me that since the 550d Canon have put little effort into the stills side of this range of camera and have only worked on the video capabilities, which do not interest me to be honest. (I include liveview in that, as I don't use it..)

I suspect a sizeable majority of people here are more interested in the stills side, not video, but perhaps we are not really representative of the greater market..

I hope that Canon's rumoured 70D event in July(?) is going to be more than a makeover..

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (10 months ago)

I think that the average tech consumer has become so spoiled that they actually believe that every new product cycle is going to bring with it a new major, groundbreaking, life altering technology that trumps whatever came before it. Change is good, but a highly consistent and predictable level of performance and operability from product cycle to product cycle is not a weakness either. In fact, it's a major strength of Canon's army of Rebel bodies that has kept that product at the top of the worldwide sales charts every year since it was first introduced to the camera marketplace. Canon just celebrated the production of over 90 million EF lenses, and you can bet that well over half of those lenses were attached to a Rebel DSLR when they were sold. Customers know what they're getting when they buy a Rebel, and they love em.

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fz750
By fz750 (10 months ago)

Rubbish! Most of the people here are not average "tech consumers" and (due to DPR) are well aware what competitors have been rolling out (sony: new technology, Nikon: advances in sensors and features, for example, never mind Olympus's impressive 4/3 !!)

The 550d-600d-650d-700d are basically the same camera from my (stills, don't forget) point of view. (actually DX0 mark show a slight progressive decrease in all of the areas they measure sensore values fwiw..)

I have invested in a number of canon lenses so jumping ship to a D7100 is not without it's price (and the Nikon lenses don't do it for me for their price..) and whilst I would be happy to go higher up the Canon range, I am disappointed that even the 6d doesn't have many of the features that even the D7100 has..(or 700d in some cases..)

So, I will do nothing, and see what 2013 brings and continue to sit on the fence but basically I am extremely disappointed at Canon's (almost) disrespect towards customers..

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (10 months ago)

fz750, While I admire your passionate post, I still have to ask, if you feel as though you've been neglected by Canon, then why haven't you switched to one of those impressive Olympus 4/3 or Nikon or Sony cameras? I know that I certainly would have if I felt as negative toward my current brand as you seem to.

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fz750
By fz750 (10 months ago)

As I said, I invested in canon lenses. I also don't like electronic viewfinders much which kind of screws up getting a sony or 4/3 :-) I have an Olympus EPL-2 for snapshots which is pretty good but..

Bottom line: I actually like using my Canon 500d - i'd be happy using a 700d if I thought it justified the outlay but I don't. I invested in lenses and prefer to stay in the canon eco-system, but am a bit let down by what Canon options I have available at the moment - all based on 4 year old sensors and lacking in features that competitors have..

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (10 months ago)

It seems this is an effort by Canon to be exceedingly "green". They've been recycling/repurposing the same silicon for 4+ years now.

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Marvol
By Marvol (10 months ago)

There is some irony in the fact that Canon names this series 'Rebel' when in reality they are probably the most conservative series of cameras around :|.

I just can't escape the notion that Canon is doing incremental upgrades for minimal expenses to maximise their profit. Seems to be working, too. They have become the Volkswagen of the camera world: boring but utterly successful.

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marleni
By marleni (10 months ago)

If only ALL reviews on dpreview would come as fast as about Canon. ...Just a question: this platform really is independent and favors no company? Surely the timing of a review can influence sales.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (10 months ago)

would appreciate in the video part
- panning (at multiple speeds, motor driven for better comparison)
- frame rate (like a soda can dropped from a launcher)
- quantitative low light performance and resolution

I don't mind it takes a couple of months for a high quality review.

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BMphotography
By BMphotography (10 months ago)

I've used both cameras. TRY using live view on the 650, lame. Phase detection on the 700D is a great improvement. Considering that a large portion of peoplw who will puchase this will often use the swivel screen im surpirised there was little attention payed in this review...

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photofan1986
By photofan1986 (10 months ago)

Dpr, shame you did not make a side by side comparison of the old and new kit lenses, that's basically the only thing that has been changed. Some have reported that the new kit lens is sharper, it would have been nice to see whether it's true or not.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (10 months ago)

the new 18-135 is sharper but not as sharp as 18-105 from ...

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HSway
By HSway (10 months ago)

Thanks for the work, great review. I think these little cameras are excellent, perhaps even superb for their category. For someone using most of the raw file potential though, the sensor really is in need for a substantial update. That’s why I see the rating a little too kind and would personally move the score a couple of notches from excellent to very good and bellow cameras like Nikon 5100. But that’s "For someone using most of the raw..." perspective. Tough to guess what view might be more objective overall. And the review made the point clear in respect of the sensor’s certain limitations.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (10 months ago)

"I think these little cameras are excellent, perhaps even superb for their category"
And then you go on about how the score is too high and rating is "too kind"....
Is it "superb" or does it suck ? Seriously make upp your mind and DO READ your posts before pressing "post" button.

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HSway
By HSway (10 months ago)

@Der

There is the camera and the sensor side of things. Both rather distinctive case with these cameras. So while excellent cameras, perhaps even superb, for those used to getting the most of the raw file like myself, the camera will be seen bellow the cameras like 5100 due to some sensor limitations and I’d rate it lower. Outside the ‘excellent’ scale and more towards ‘very good’. Looks like a clear opinion to me.

But I can see *for others the camera as such* has more weight and would reflect in the individual scoring despite the sensor limitations that don’t hurt them too much. Not my view, though.
I also sold the 600d recently and used it alongside d7000 as I used d90 along with the 450d before (*That*, at that time, was an excellent sensor btw).

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perry rhodan
By perry rhodan (10 months ago)

"The entry-level DSLR market is under continual pressure from large sensor mirrorless models, the best of which offer equivalent image quality in a smaller package." Reality say's: The new Rebel is really a very fine toy, but can't compete on IQ nowadays.

I can't get it! The best MILCS offer far better IQ then the 18mp canon. DPR states this in the conclusions when comparing. So where's the bias?

And again a Canon rebel with 27 pages of review, get real! It's a rehash again. Sorry DPR you are still THE best, but that clearly doesn't mean so much anymore.

27 pages, 27 pages... "And it didn't really deserve a lot of work."

Sad regards Perry

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armandino
By armandino (10 months ago)

At times I think many people on this forum should use their camera more and walk away from their computers. Their view is so skewed from reality. All cameras have nowadays great capabilities and sensors. The difference between the worst and best sensor in the same category is so little, that realistically the photographer is the one that makes the difference. And the glass.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (10 months ago)

The Canon T5i and SL1 Rebels are on a mission. IMHO, their mission has absolutely nothing to do with trying to impress the pixel peepers with a new higher density megapixel count, especially since 18mp seems to be the sweet spot in terms of IQ vs. file size for most consumers opting for an APS-C body camera. No, the mission is to introduce current and future Rebel owners to the advantages of using the relatively new silent focusing STM lenses as the lenses of choice for video capture. And the best way to do that is by offering the consumer a new kit. I fully suspect that there will be a STM L-series lens coming soon. My guess is 24-105 L.

So don't bet against Canon, because they are really good at what they do. Don't take my word for it. Just ask Contax, Kodak, Minolta, Konica, and all the other forgotten or soon to be forgotten camera companies. It's not about the camera sensor or the film or the body. It will always be all about the lenses folks.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (10 months ago)

Canon definitely need a much higher resolution sensor to get better image quality as well as resolution.

USM is far better than STM which has many issues to solve.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (10 months ago)

@ yabokkie

A higher resolution sensor may be a wet dream for the gear heads among us, but there's nothing wrong with any of the Rebels image quality as a practical matter. I used a Rebel T3i to photograph graduations, birthdays, baptisms and more without a single complaint from any of my customers about IQ. Not only did the camera pay for itself, but it payed for the upgrade from the 18-55 kit lens it came with to an excellent EF-S 15-85, the battery grip, spare batteries, extra SDHC media cards and more in just one summer. I don't know about you, but that's how I judge a camera's image quality and value.

As for STM vs. USM lenses, they are designed to appeal to 2 different types of photo enthusiasts. Video enthusiasts for STM and stills enthusiasts for USM. Canon is merely playing to it's strengths among it's new class of customers who favor video performance over stills, but want to be able to do both with little or no post processing involvement.

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dynaxx
By dynaxx (10 months ago)

Your last paragraph implies that Minolta and Contax failed because of their lenses ; poppycock folks ! Kyocera closed the Contax brand in 2005 but the digital 645 is still one of the finest and most sought after cameras ; the Zeiss Contax lenses were superb and command high prices to this day. Minolta ( sold to Sony in 2006 ) lenses have an amazingly faithful following and the used market is remarkably buoyant. Their "G" lenses are superior to all but the professional Canon offerings. "Soon to be forgotten" ? I see no evidence of that. Marketing is what Canon is best at not optics.

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Maxfield_photo
By Maxfield_photo (10 months ago)

Finally! A camera with a mode dial that rotates 360 degrees! I can die happy.

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StyleZ7
By StyleZ7 (10 months ago)

Dig to 6D side :)

0 upvotes
stevo23
By stevo23 (10 months ago)

About time this review came out. I don't even look here for reviews any more because it's just too late by the time they come out.

But to this camera - I like it. My friend at work got one and I'm impressed with the image quality and function for the price. I'm using Nikon now, but this camera almost made me look at the 6D and almost switch. Then there was this killer promotion on the D600...

3 upvotes
Guidenet
By Guidenet (10 months ago)

Let me tell you something. If your friend with this camera produces better images than you can with your Nikon, it isn't because of anything this 700D has to offer... or a 6D or D600 either. You can't buy good photography. You can buy good photographs, however. So, save your money and don't upgrade or downgrade until you've learned to produce compelling images with your current model.

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20 upvotes
Jun2
By Jun2 (10 months ago)

buy a book or ebook.

1 upvote
white shadow
By white shadow (10 months ago)

Well said, Guidenet. The art of photography cannot be learned in one day or even some months. It takes many years of practice, experience and reading some fundamental principles to get there. One have to master composition, lighting (very important) and knowing when to capture the decisive moment to shoot reasonably well. If one is knowledgeable in photography, one should be able to shoot in any format using any brand of camera. Sure, each brand or camera has its own strength and weaknesses but one must be able to work around it.

Changing brand or format won't improve ones photography.

Probably, one of the most important aspect is to learn how to see things others don't. Have an endless passion for it. Ability to endure whatever it takes to get the photo. One must be able to eat, sleep, breath and live photography.

The camera and lenses are just tools to get the job done. Of course, one need the best tools for the best results.

0 upvotes
stevo23
By stevo23 (10 months ago)

Way to go Guidenet - jump into a rant without thinking about what the person said. I never said my friend's camera made better images than mine did I? Read carefully - there's more to this than meets the eye. Here's the riddle - I had a camera but it wasn't a Nikon. I had Nikon lenses but considered buying a Canon camera. What's missing Guidenet? Where did you screw up and take that fatal turn into a rant? Only a good photographer will be able to see it or consider it. A considerate person might have asked...

Funny thing, I was chastising DPreview for being so late on reviews...

0 upvotes
yslee1
By yslee1 (10 months ago)

Pretty sure Live View AF is faster on the 700D than the 650D.

0 upvotes
roustabout66
By roustabout66 (10 months ago)

Good size, cute camera, good picture quality, interesting lens, I think Canon has another big seller!

2 upvotes
Juck
By Juck (10 months ago)

I'm a canon fan,, but really ,, a slight improvement in live view AF is no justification for launching a new model. DP should have given it a Bronze on principal.

23 upvotes
AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (10 months ago)

Or maybe Lead or Pewter.

1 upvote
RXVGS
By RXVGS (10 months ago)

More Like 'Wooden Spoon' Award.....

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7450/9015470171_d2697b2f8c_o.jpg

12 upvotes
Low Battery
By Low Battery (10 months ago)

LOL @ RXVGS

0 upvotes
Jun2
By Jun2 (10 months ago)

really, I thought they just changed 650 to 700.

3 upvotes
Ybor
By Ybor (10 months ago)

Always loved the Rebel series. This is a great basic camera that is more than a bit overpriced at release.

2 upvotes
dynaxx
By dynaxx (10 months ago)

A "new" camera that sums up what this camera manufacturer is all about.

I used to think Canon would look at their competitors ( innovators / collaborators with the great names in photography / moving the digital photgraphy experience forward ) and think "we have to change". But no ; they don't even care. They just spend more on marketing and contunue to "churn" the consumers locked into their lens mount. It just means that when the crash comes, it will be more cataclysmic

8 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (10 months ago)

This year's Canon innovation is a DSLR that's smaller than the competition, the SL1/100D.

I suspect that the 2014 T6i/750D will be a major upgrade, and everyone will live happily ever after.

And this fall, they will probably introduce an EOS M2, with significantly better AF speed. It's not all gloom and doom...

2 upvotes
SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (10 months ago)

Canon just shipped the smallest dSLR in the market with same capabilities as the Ti5, the 6D is first FF with GPS and Wi-Fi... The SL1 will kill the mirrorless market. It is as small, light as a feather and allows you to use normal EF-s or EF lenses. What kind of innovations are you talking about?

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (10 months ago)

"This year's Canon innovation is a DSLR that's smaller than the competition, the SL1/100D."

It is about as heavy as Olympus E-420 from 5.5 years ago and just about as outdated, right at release this time.

0 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (10 months ago)

It's nice to see dpreview firing on all cylinders again. Keep those reviews coming!

Comment edited 17 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
glarry
By glarry (10 months ago)

You Simon Joinson did it again!It isn't first time u (DPR’s reviews) mention about live view and micro 4/3 cameras, if you want to be fair all Sony (here including classic mirror SLR) got fast LV. I have Sony A580 and what u see in LV is what you get. I tried a Nikon SLR, u push the shutter,the photo is coming after 2 seconds, meantime other people are in your frame.

7 upvotes
glarry
By glarry (10 months ago)

I forgot to mention: good, comprehensive review!

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (10 months ago)

I don't know what I did but as always I categorically deny it.

12 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (10 months ago)

You quickly lunched "Find&Replace" function on 1 y/o 650D review (although missed a page). Good job, the camera does not deserve more. :)

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

Nice to have new reviews, but at 27 pages, this is one longest, most detailed reviews in recent memory. In fact it's a much longer and far more detailed review than even the K-5IIs, D7100, D5200, Coolpix A, GH3, X-E1, et al.

When looking three item list of the differences between the T4i / 650D on page one (Introduction), I have to ask, why?

5 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (10 months ago)

as mentioned in the review 'We've retained product images of the EOS 650D where there's no meaningful change in design, and except where indicated, any comments in the body of this review which reference the Canon EOS 650D / T4i are equally relevant to the Canon EOS 700D / T5i and vis-versa.' - this was a lot less work than a full, new, review. And it didn't really deserve a lot of work.

9 upvotes
rallyfan
By rallyfan (10 months ago)

At the end of the day it's about clicks. People love to buy Canons, and conveniently, Amazon sells Canons. Match made in heaven, and the faster the review is posted the faster money changes hands.

Shame about Pentax though.

8 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (10 months ago)

I think you'll find that, less conveniently, Amazon sells Pentax too. And we just reviewed the K5II and IIs. And gave them higher scores and gold awards. But hey, let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good story huh?

19 upvotes
rallyfan
By rallyfan (10 months ago)

The scores for the Pentax K5II bodies could have been different had those bodies been tested in the same amount of time this Canon was tested.

As to whether the scores for the Pentax bodies were higher, there is some discussion in that thread since the scores currently make it seem as if at least in some areas the K5II is scoring lower than the K5.

My evaluation of the situation being all about clicks doesn't seem unfounded given the above and given a comment by BB below:

"By Barney Britton (2 hours ago)
We considered it but ultimately, we wanted a solid standalone review of the 700D on the site, alongside that of the EOS 650D. This is because a lot of of traffic comes from people searching the web for what camera to buy, and we didn't want to assume too much prior knowledge."

7 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (10 months ago)

Yeah what a surprise, a website that wants traffic! I don't deny that we intentionally publish content we think a lot of people will want to read (as we always have) - I don't care about 'clicks' but I do want 'visitors'.

But what you are implying here - and in pretty much every other comment you've made that i've seen - is that we base our reviews on what Amazon wants to sell. You're suggesting we're lying to our readers and that we are corrupt and dishonest. And yes, that is kind of irksome.

I don't even understand your point about the Pentax cameras - should we have spent 'more' or 'less' time reviewing them? Why would that change the score?

And you can't really argue against the point that the scores were, are, higher. I think we can agree that there's little ambiguity over the validity of the statement '81 is more than 76', is there?

As explained ad nauseum, you can't compare scores across generations, only when comparing a product with its contemporary peers.

11 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

Yes, scour it more fairly! Use steel wool!

1 upvote
megaresp
By megaresp (10 months ago)

> I think we can agree that there's little ambiguity over the
> validity of the statement '81 is more than 76', is there?

You underestimate a certain class of visitor to this site!

Black is white, high is low, gold is a secret DP Review slur against Pentax, Amazon has kidnapped your children and ordered you to review Canons first because somehow that's the only brand of camera they're willing to sell despite pretending to offer other brands, and the Pentax K5II out-resolves a Nikon D800 with both hands tied behind its back.

It's obvious. Now where did I put my collection of tinfoil hats?

2 upvotes
halai
By halai (10 months ago)

I do agree with most posters here that this is not even an upgrade, but i do understand why Canon is doing this. Why fix something that is not broken? At the end of the day, there're still lots of soccer moms and beginners who buys this camera just for the Canon logo.

Same old crap like "The Fast and the Furious". I hear that they are making #7 soon since they still racking in the $$$.

8 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

In a nutshell. They are not trying to wow DPR readers, that's for sure.

0 upvotes
b534202
By b534202 (10 months ago)

The T4i had that safety recall, so Canon just had to rename it to T5i so people won't be so allergic to it.

2 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (10 months ago)

Possibly the lamest update in DSLR history. Makes the 20D->30D update look positively massive. Canon is running on empty in the APS-C sector and the fact they've had zero improvement in sensor since the 7D came out almost 4 years ago is a disgrace.

If 70D uses yet another variation of the 18MP sensor then we really will know the lunatics are running the asylum.

7 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (10 months ago)

Sadly I have a sinking feeling if Canon actually had a new APS-C sensor ready they would have put it in the T5i. I mean it has almost nothing else to differentiate it from the previous model and a new higher mp sensor would help them compete with the D5200.

0 upvotes
scrup
By scrup (10 months ago)

If you want a better canon then upgrade to the full frame. This camera is not aimed at you.

2 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (10 months ago)

Canon and their consumer cameras are award winners of the prestigious award:

"Release A New Model At The Slightest Tweak Of A Thingy" award.

You could make a movie clip time lapse of all their models... and be hard to spot the difference...

.

19 upvotes
KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (10 months ago)

Really fast from announcement to review. Nice...

1 upvote
SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (10 months ago)

fast because not much to review...

13 upvotes
rb59020
By rb59020 (10 months ago)

Careful the Canon Police is watching.

4 upvotes
chilipilot
By chilipilot (10 months ago)

the 700d would have been a perfect example for an "oldtimer-technology award".

one could also call it the "NO Innovation Award"

and we are desperatly waiting for the "new" 750d.
with a new super-duper-high-tech-badge.

7 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (10 months ago)

Fumble! Seriously, another dull black plastic DSLR, with modest performance in image and focusing...for a measly $900 with a kit lens. What more could you want? Answer: A LOT more.

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4 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

What color where you hoping for?

7 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (10 months ago)

that's right, I do like that "it comes in black"
:-)

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

I'd like a D800 with a Canon lens mount and if it's $900 I can live with the black.

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (10 months ago)

Some companies are willing to bring in new products, to experiment and pave the way for new standards. Others are conservative and terrified of altering anything they do because right now, it's working. Those companies do not advance the program. It's like if Intel had existed without AMD. We'd probably still be stuck with Pentium III's...costing $1000/ea.

1 upvote
thx1138
By thx1138 (10 months ago)

No I'd like a 5D III with D800E sensor.

1 upvote
BMphotography
By BMphotography (10 months ago)

feels very different to a 650 buddy. new plasic.

0 upvotes
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