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Adobe updates Creative Cloud with exclusive tools for Photoshop CC

By dpreview staff on May 6, 2013 at 17:00 GMT

Adobe has announced updates across its lineup of Creative Cloud software. And, making the clearest distinction yet between its offerings for subscription versus 'perpetual' users, the updated software programs have all been rebranded with the appendage 'CC'. As with its previous Creative Cloud update, Adobe is not commenting on when or even if these updates will be made available to users who bought Photoshop CS6. Here's what's new for Creative Cloud members using Photoshop.

Adobe Photoshop CC's headline feature is the Camera Shake Reduction tool that arrives as demoed earlier this year. This new tool has generated much attention because it seeks to correct specifically for image blur caused by unwanted camera movement, a virtual image stabilization, if you will.

Photoshop CC users can now access Camera Raw from the filters menu and apply the results to any layer. Making Camera Raw directly available eliminates the more cumbersome workflow in which users had to first open a Raw file as a Smart Object in order to adjust the changes to that layer without starting from scratch. And because it's a Filter, you can now apply Camera Raw's collection of tools to vector and video layers. Of course you can still open a file directly in Camera Raw as before. This latest version of Camera Raw also includes features introduced in the Lightroom 5 Beta, such as Upright, and the Radial Gradient.

Photoshop CC users who load the software on more than one computer - a desktop and laptop, for example - now gain the time-saving ability to sync their current Photoshop preferences across multiple devices. New upsampling algorithms that promise greater suppression of edge halos when resampling have been added to the Image Size menu. And Photoshop CC now includes all of the 3D and image analysis functionality that was previously exclusive to Photoshop Extended versions.

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Total comments: 74
lasvideo
By lasvideo (9 months ago)

Almost 37,000 folks have signed.They don't like Adobe CC licensing.Show @Adobe how you feel. https://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

Another more fiscal way to show @Adobe you dont like the CC licensing scheme.http://adobe2014.tumblr.com #adobe2014

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SgtDave
By SgtDave (11 months ago)

CC may have another nasty side effect.

In the good old days of version releases, many would purchase the accompanying manuals by experts and long-term alpha testers such as Martin Evening etc. It is because of the availability of quality learning material that many non-professional users such as myself would persist in the quest to learn more about the product and the new features that the latest version provides.

Now that Adobe have switched to a 'perpetual' upgrade process ie not marked by a distinctive version number, there is no obvious point at which to release a new manual.

Is that the thanks that Adobe has tendered to these hugely helpful stalwarts - the professionals who have supported and encouraged the upgrade process for so may over the years?

Who else can Adobe alienate ???

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frank200
By frank200 (11 months ago)

onone or topaz, or any other plugging are they going to work with adobe cc?
I wish they work with gimp or any other editing software, well at least topza does

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Toermalijn
By Toermalijn (11 months ago)

Looks like camera shake is the one foremost new feature Adobe is talking about for the new CC7 release. I guess for 63 euro's a month you can get a heck of a deal since most pro's make sure in the first place that camera shake won't happen!

Looks like a feature that's nice to have but not really necessary. I bet 3rd party plug-ins will hop in as well and they might do a better job for way less then the CC upgrade will cost you year after year after year...

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (11 months ago)

https://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model#share

sign the petition!!

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (11 months ago)

READ THIS:

http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2013/20130508_1a-Adobe-legal-agreement.html

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jberk
By jberk (11 months ago)

Please consider signing this petition to Adobe:

https://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

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GreginVA
By GreginVA (11 months ago)

I really don't have a problem with the approach, just the price. I've been paying Adobe about $200 every two years to download the latest Photoshop upgrade. Now, at $20 / month to maintain a single product via the cloud, that is a big price increase. I suppose if you are just getting into Photoshop, you have the advantage of beating the initial big ($700?) charge for Photoshop, so newbies make out (for awhile). The long time users (like me) don't get this benefit. They will give me a $10 / month deal for the first year if I sign up quickly - big deal! But in the end, what are you going to do? Can I use all my plug-ins with GIMP? I don't think so. Will some enterprising competitor emerge? I hope so. I'm also wondering about Lightroom - will that remain a standalone product or if I end up with Photoshop CC can I also get Lighroom bundled in as a CC product at a reasonable price (Lightroom is bundled in with the big CC package at a big price).

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DanLudlow
By DanLudlow (11 months ago)

I have basically the same thoughts. The future will likely be cloud based applications (this my be inevitable and "normal" in time) Adobe took the plunge for financial benefit, seemingly and dress this up as a customer orientated approach.

Upgrading every second version was encouraged by Adobe Upgrade policy (3 versions backwards? and 1/3 full price approx.?). What encouragement have Adobe put in place that makes long term use of Photoshop CC desirable? They have doubled the cost to the average user and taken away security of ownership.

Adobe have gone from being seen as a friend and colleague to being seen as an oppressive and demanding entity, in my eyes. They could not have misjudged and misapplied such a big change of policy if that had been their prime aim.

Undoing this damage, and winning back core customers might already be impossible, and will likely cost Adobe far more than their planned short term gains.

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rdc13
By rdc13 (11 months ago)

I have used Adobe products at work and at my home studio for years. CS5 at home/cs6 at work.

I don't like this move and probably won't be updating at home as previously planned. I'll wait a few years until Adobe runs out of cash and decides they need to sell a product and not a service. I have enough services. I need product. And if Adobe doesn't want to sell it to me, I'll find somebody else.

Anybody remember Quark Xpress, which dominated the print world a few short years ago?

Anybody still use it?

Didn't think so.

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Toermalijn
By Toermalijn (11 months ago)

Quark was as arrogant and ignorant as Adobe is today...and it seems they might end the same way as well if they want to go through with it.

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Andre Fortier
By Andre Fortier (11 months ago)

There is a petition for Adobe Systems Incorporated: Eliminate the mandatory "creative cloud" subscription model at:

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-t he-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

Please sign the petition to have your voice heard.

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Andre Fortier
By Andre Fortier (11 months ago)

I added this link also to my Facebook and Flickr accounts to encourage as many people I know to sign the petition.

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Toermalijn
By Toermalijn (11 months ago)

Page is gone! Adobe's doing?!

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davids8560
By davids8560 (11 months ago)

So after having bought CS6 for $2000 in May 2012, I am wondering if I will be able to use it a year from now? Five years from now? Will I be able to download my property from Adobe.com if I buy a new computer in the future? This big change is a lit to take in. Why would I pay a monthly fee if I already own the product? Very confused! Are they saying from now on I have to pay $20 a month for each program in CS6 after paying for the software already in full? Did I make a mistake by not buying the software on DVD? Did I just waste $2,000?

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Andre Fortier
By Andre Fortier (11 months ago)

For me, this subscription model marks the end of my support to Adobe. I find this subscription cloud based model absolutely unacceptable and for Adobe to force this upon its clients is also a business practice that I don't think should be condoned. I call for a blackmail of their product and will be the first to do so.

I'll continue to use Creative Suite and Lightroom for a while and will not upgrade nor license anything else from Adboe. If Adobe does not reconsider it's licensing model to be the same standalone model that I've had for years, I will transition to Apple Aperture for my digital management software and use Open source software for all my other needs (ie: Gimp for photo editing is a great alternative)

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Vito1010
By Vito1010 (11 months ago)

My plan: Keep CS6 and if (big if) I get a new dlsr with a raw format that CS6 doesn't handle, I'll just use LRx (whatever version they are still SELLING) to send it to PS. LR will handle the raw formats for me. But I will NEVER put the computer I use to edit with on the internet.

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Ken Aisin
By Ken Aisin (11 months ago)

Goodbye Adobe.

By the way, I just ordered this book from Amazon - "The Book of GIMP: A Complete Guide to Nearly Everything".

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (11 months ago)

I really like the Creative Cloud access. I decided to try it when it first came out, because it was a reduced price, and it also gave me access to the entire Adobe suite; plus more.

I usually evaluate such things on whether they make me money to justify it, and having Creative Cloud paid for the entire year the first month and a half. I myself am hooked on it— I dig the hell out of the access. So much so, that I gave my PS CS6 to a disabled friend. All I can say is, if you can try it on an introductory deal, give it a try. I usually give credit where it's due, and so far, Adobe gets my thumbs up for this. Now... if like your local smack dealer, they get me hooked and then up the ante, I'll be back on here a-bitchin'.

BTW, if you do sign up, please use reference code "raincheck", or adobeCC.com/raincheck; it helps me to... I'm kidding!

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skytripper
By skytripper (11 months ago)

Adobe Creative Cloud = Adobe Extortion Scheme

Hopefully the Adobe user base will turn its collective back on this blood-sucking idea from the demented mind of Adobe.

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Sheyingshi
By Sheyingshi (11 months ago)

PS is a mature product and, although I've been getting the upgrades every 18 months or so I've been thinking for a long time that there's more than I need for my photography already. This initiative by Adobe pushes me over the line. I'm happy with CS6 and will use it until a new system/computer breaks it. There are competitors at significantly lower prices that will work well then.

Also, does Adobe really think that this will reduce piracy? I'll bet that hours after each upgrade is made the "new" versions will hit the torrents.

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jm67
By jm67 (11 months ago)

The issue that Adobe is ignoring and some people are forgetting is that third party plugins have usually been far better at doing what they do than Adobe's attempts. Adobe should have in the past and should in the future stick with what they do best and leave the Camera Shake Reduction to those who have already done it and probably still do it better. And really, I need to reduce the camera shake in my photos? Those that had any have long since been binned. Would that go a long way in reducing the price of Adobe products? Should but probably won't. They've gotten pretty greedy and have figured out a way to ensure a steady stream of gold going their way. And who will suffer? It'll be my customers cause I sure will pass this increase of doing business on to their wallets. That's if no one comes up with a viable alternative to this program before my CS6 becomes obsolete.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

Dunno for how long, but you can still buy PS CS6 today: http://amzn.com/B007R0RKV8

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Frank C.
By Frank C. (11 months ago)

why buy it now? Adobe will stop supporting it and updating it for new cameras... anyone who recently bought the full version got ripped off imo

-1 for ticker symbol ADBE

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jerrith
By jerrith (11 months ago)

Well, actually there's only one group of users to blame and that's all those that copy the software and don't pay license fees at all. Those are the one's that make companies like Adobe look for ways how to make sure there are only legal versions available and thus turn to something like the cloud where you can't use your illegal copy of the software anymore.
It's a sad fact, but it's us legal users who willingly pay for a great piece of software engineering that take the fall for all the thieves out there. For every legal version in use there are multiple illegal versions downloaded. If nobody used illegal software, companies would be able to drop their price easily as they could sell more copies. But hey, downloading software isn't stealing, right? YES IT IS!!

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daciangroza
By daciangroza (11 months ago)

Oh, you're so righteous. I'd like to point out that most of the people in the developing world who use pirated software don't do it because they're criminals, but because they have no choice. You have a choice between using pirated software and not using a computer at all - basically being left behind in the world. These are not real customers, they would not be paying customers because they simply can't afford it. Software companies are not losing money they could have made because they can't sell to these people in the first place, until they will be able to afford it. That's why these are unlicensed users, not thieves.
It's not a simple matter, there are many effects to this situation. But people will find ways to keep up with the creative world, even if they don't afford it.

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sirkhann
By sirkhann (11 months ago)

It is very stubbornish to talk about illegal usage with your G-8 salaries. World is not US nor Belguim nor Dubai, OAE, etc. Do not forget the biggest part of the World does not live by your standards. Do not forget that there are a lot of photographers who shoot for fun and not for money. Should I have to pay the same amount for a Ps license that pays a large advertising agency or photo studio if I'm not going to take a penny from my photography? And yes, Photoshop and many other software products are that popular because of the piracy so willingly paying users are also beneficial. You get what you pay for, do not judge the others.

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jm67
By jm67 (11 months ago)

Oh, so now Adobe has cut off the pirates have they? Good. So that means higher revenue right? So why have they at the same time effectively doubled the price along with it? Because they can. It has nothing to do with a few illegal copies out there and everything with obscene greed.

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Halhoyle
By Halhoyle (11 months ago)

Pirating software is theft no matter how you attempt to assuage your conscience with justifications. Pirates are scofflaws.

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AllMankind
By AllMankind (11 months ago)

The problem with your analysis is the assumption that every copy equals a lost sale. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am sure that 99% of the illegal users would never pay for a legal copy, so in fact it is not revenue lost.

That is not to condone the use of illegal software, but the copies do not represent lost sales either. Dreams of lost sales by Adobe, maybe, but not actual losses.

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KAllen
By KAllen (11 months ago)

Adobe will lose more by forcing the Cloud onto customers that will cease to be customers than they do to Pirates.

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Toermalijn
By Toermalijn (11 months ago)

Actually not true.
Recent studies(by reputable universaties) show that at least 80% of the people pay for their goods, being software, music or anything else. 80% should give Adobe a steady income and healthy profit. It's because they outgrow themselfs and become to big, they need more and more money.

Some software can do 80-90% of photoshop and only cost 59 euro's! And they still make a profit.

Furthermore, it's only months, maybe weeks before this cloud thing gets hacked and cracked. This is just a loose argument in order to be able to raise prices 250%.

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simmybear31
By simmybear31 (11 months ago)

99.99% of illicit use will never move on to a revenue stream for adobe because either a) they can't afford it, b) they are not looking for commercial use or c) other alternatives can do most of photoshops things they need.

Maybe it would be better for adobe to extend student licencing into a "non-commercial" licencing offer to attract new paying users?

But seeing as they are "pricing" solely for fat profits I can't see them changing until revenue stagnation or even decline is evident to them.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (11 months ago)

The phone home DRM scheme has been tried before and cracked before. At most it will just make it take a little longer. It will do nothing to affect piracy of adobe products in any meaningful way except to turn many would be paying customers to illegal copies as they can either no longer afford the software or simply are against the rental scheme on principle.

Heck I can actually see some people who do pay the subscription having a cracked version as well since it will work even if there is a screw up at adobe and their software gets turned off by mistake, or if a server gos down at the time when the software needs to phone home, or if they have to be without an internet connection for an extend period of time.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (11 months ago)

Adobe posted a Q1 result of revenue of $1.008 billion. They are making good money even with "rampant" piracy.

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gsum
By gsum (11 months ago)

It looks as if the days of the Adobesaurus are over. Good riddance to overpriced mediocrity.

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Michael Thomas Mitchell
By Michael Thomas Mitchell (11 months ago)

Adobe has been chomping at the bit for years for a way to combat piracy. Clearly, the bean counters have figured that the number of people using it who will now actually pay for it will more than offset the losses from those who might otherwise pay but reject the upcoming payment model. Me personally, I don't like the idea of "cloud" anything much. So I'll use the current software as long as possible and then look elsewhere when it's time to upgrade. Hopefully, that will be a few years down the road, at the very least. The vast majority of features that I use in Photoshop have been around for years already. The new stuff is nice, but increasingly gimmicky and not necessarily deal-breakers. In fact, both Adobe Camera Raw and Lightroom now are capable of nearly all that I need, especially when things like dodging, burning and other localized adjustments can be done at the raw level.

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T3
By T3 (11 months ago)

This is a great opportunity for a competitor. Adobe isn't the only show in town.

Giants can fall. Adobe and Microsoft, you guys are stumbling and slipping. You think your users are captive and will never go elsewhere. Well, customers can and do leave. I left Microsoft for Apple less than two years ago, with no intention of ever going back. I can do the same with Adobe, too.

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rdc13
By rdc13 (11 months ago)

yup, I agree.

Anybody remember Quark Xpress?
Anybody still use it?

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ronm2008
By ronm2008 (11 months ago)

The new plan makes sense for professionals. However, for amateur photographers like myself, this is a HUGE price increase. I paid $200 for a CS5 Photoshop upgrade 3 years ago ($5.50 / month over the past 3 years). I will probably be fine with it for another year+ at which point I would normally upgrade. However, I guess I will have to stay with CS5 until I find a better solution elsewhere. There is no way that I'm going to be paying $20+ a month for software that I personally don't use that often.

Very sad.

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jquagga
By jquagga (11 months ago)

Adobe's FAQ confirms that Lightroom will be available sans indenture servitude plan. That might be a way for amateurs to survive this. I agree this is fine for businesses, but I only need Lightroom.

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ronm2008
By ronm2008 (11 months ago)

Yes ... that will have to do for me (I actually use Aperture rather than Lightroom). I sometimes need something more powerful than what Lightroom / Aperture have to offer, but Photoshop CS5 should do what I need for the foreseeable future.

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rdc13
By rdc13 (11 months ago)

actually, as a professional designer/illustrator, it makes absolutely NO sense. I don't WANT to have to dicker around with software or cloud nonsense. I just want to turn on the machine and fly. Time is money. And they will lose my money when I decide to not upgrade for a few years.

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Toermalijn
By Toermalijn (11 months ago)

I don't know about you locally, but even large companies over here don't upgrade every new version. So, they will not change that for a cloud subscription that is way more expensive in the first place.

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toni2
By toni2 (11 months ago)

Every company wants you in the cloud, because then, you are a all-life customer. You can't left them.
And that prices are low to let you get in... one year later they can increase the each month price, and the only thing you can do is to pay month after month.
The cloud is an enormous joke, and all companies know it.

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white tea
By white tea (11 months ago)

Adobe, were you thinking about changing company name? Greedobe would be a good starting point. Fortunately there are other good softwares for developing photos and editing pictures. I'm used to the PS shortcuts, but it seems it's time to learn new ones.

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RobertSigmund
By RobertSigmund (11 months ago)

Reminds me of Napoleon entering Russia - the beginning of the end ...
Time for Gimp.

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luigibozi
By luigibozi (11 months ago)

maybe some therapee for raw?!

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Michiel Koolen
By Michiel Koolen (11 months ago)

EU pricing: $80 a month including taxes. I wonder how many people realize that when they stop paying, they don't have anything left. Not even an "old" CS6 license they can continue to use.

In addition to the headline on this page: Adobe have posted a letter on their website which states that they have no plans to release new versions of the CS applications. It's cloud only from now on folks. At least Microsoft offers you a choice.

I will vote with my wallet - it's the only thing I can do. Goodbye Adobe. I will find a way to make the alternatives work for me.

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Greg Henry
By Greg Henry (11 months ago)

VeryKross, I think you're not calculating this the way many causal Photoshop users are. I've had PS for several versions now, so my yearly outlay to update is $199.00 (it's usually a yearly update by the way, not every two years as you stated).

By switching to the subscription, I'll be paying $240.00 per year instead of $199.00 per year, and I will essentially be "leasing" the software instead of owning it outright. Regardless of a few new features here and there, I'm not sure how this will benefit some folks like myself.

Subscribing saves Adobe money. No more cost to duplicate DVD disks and no more printing costs for the packaging to put those DVDs in, ship them, etc. Customers just download the software. This saves considerable $$$ for Adobe. So maybe it's just my opinion, but if they're saving so much, why are we paying $40+ per year MORE to subscribe? Shouldn't it be the other way around??

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VeryKross
By VeryKross (11 months ago)

Well, at $40/yr "extra" you'd need to be able to say to yourself that the "always up-to-date" software, 20GB of included cloud storage, and other included "cloud-only" features were worth $3/month to you. For some people the answer may be "no" and so they'll feel like they're not getting value for extra fee. Adobe will of course continue to sweeten the deal, adding more cloud-exclusive content to try and get a "yes" out of you.

If that's not enough, there's always Photoshop Elements [which, really, handles 99% of what most serious photographers need, especially when pared with Lightroom] or even PaintShop Pro (cheap, powerful, and compatible with many PS plug-ins).

Lots of options - my main point is that the cost different [for a lot of people] really isn't as huge as all the outcries would lead one to believe. (oh, CS4 released in 2008, CS5 in 2010, and CS6 in 2012 [nobody really counts CS5.1 :) ] )

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (11 months ago)

@VeryKross -- you need to adjust your math ... most of us think of it as 200 bucks for about 4 years ... and now it is going to be 960 for 4 years ... HUGE difference.

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onlooker
By onlooker (11 months ago)

The concept is fine. The pricing is not.

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VeryKross
By VeryKross (11 months ago)

So, CS6 costs a little over $600 ($699 retail but who pays that) for the Standard edition (you can't get Extended outside of a packaged "suite"). Upgrades from one version to another run $200 and come out about every two years. So, my two-year cost of staying current with CS would be $600+$200=$800.

A Photoshop CC (Cloud) subscription runs you $20/month or $240/yr. Two years of that comes to $480. That's $120 *less* than my original CS purchase and $320 less the two-year purchase scenario above. Ok, let's go out to year 4; my CS outlay (assuming I stay current) is now $1,000 and my CC is at $960.

So, after 4yrs my outlay is pretty close to the same amount AND I've been getting more frequent updates via CC in addition to features otherwise only available to PS Extended users. Yes, by year 6 I am starting to spend more on CC *but* I've also had 6yrs of access to other cloud-only features, enhancements, etc. and there's definitely some value to be had there.

Is that really so bad?

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exdeejjjaaaa
By exdeejjjaaaa (11 months ago)

who told you that subscription cost will stay the same ? naive assumption... and if you stop subscription you have nothing left

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KBarrett
By KBarrett (11 months ago)

Your math almost makes it look attractive, but it make two assumptions that aren't true for all concerned:

1.) This math supposes a user that is starting from scratch and has no existing license of Adobe software.
2.) This math supposes a user that wants to upgrade at every possible opportunity.

Most of my friends are all concept artists, animators, graphic artists, 3D modelers, and photographers. Almost all of these have existing licenses of Photoshop, and a favorite older version that they a.) own, b.) prefer, and c.) still use.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

A lot of us users only use about less than half of what the software is actually capable of doing. And I do not like Elements at all (tried it). I have CS4 full version instead. How important are new features when we don't necessarily need them. Previously updating every second version was good enough. Users now, with existing licenses may not bother updating if mainly for hobby. Users buying new computer, would maybe prefer a new one time paid license, or transfer existing license. Costs of upgrades still too high for the actual part of the software we use regularly. As long as it can work on latest 64 bit computer that is fast enough for most people or consumers / prosumers.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (11 months ago)

@VeryJross -- it is not only "really so bad" ... it is worse. You assume green field purchasing, when in reality a huge number of people are on a 1.5 to 3 year upgrade cycle (I am on 3 now as I use LR) ... so we're talking a jump from 6 bucks to 20 bucks for one app ... and you can never stop or you lose the app outright. I would consider subscribing at a reasonable cost, but at this point I will buy the next version of LR and some adjunct tools and assume that it will be the last for a long time.

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LarryK
By LarryK (11 months ago)

Just put on the armband and get on the train. How bad can it be?

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T3
By T3 (11 months ago)

Or another way of looking at it, it's Adobe saying, "Just give us your credit card because we're going to charge it repeatedly, as we please, and if you ever leave us you'll have nothing." Sounds wonderful.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (11 months ago)

Actually the updates are now every year not every 2 years.

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jklebau
By jklebau (11 months ago)

Adobe should realize that maximizing today's profit can be detrimental to customer loyalty. Look at Apples stock and consumer decline. People originally bought into Apple's friendly over IBM Orwellian Big Brother. Bean counters can be a little blind to the concept of customer loyalty.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (11 months ago)

A little blind? They think they are Paul Maud'Dib .... but in fact they are just Mr Magoo ...

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Darby
By Darby (11 months ago)

It looks as though my CS6 is my last PS buy. I've used Adobe products since it's beginnings and am disappointed with the decision to 'offer' these subscription schemes. There now exists opportunity for competitors.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (11 months ago)

I jumped at the new Office 2013 because for 10 bucks a month I get the whole enchilada on 5 computers. Adobe, on the other hand, want 20 bucks for one app and 50 if you want it all. Every ... fricken ... month.

Sorry .... but I am looking at LR plus Nik and or Perfect Suite as very viable options. Just too much money for too little new stuff from Adobe. Big money grabs sure tend to change your perception of what you need ...

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momonyc
By momonyc (11 months ago)

"But if you're a Photoshop user whose workflow lets you happily stay a version or two behind, is the allure of access to Illustrator, InDesign, Dreamweaver, etc worth the additional cost? Let us know what you think."

No, absolutely not worth the additional cost to me. I agree with what PhotoHawk is saying. Greedy Adobe shareholders wanting direct links to our bank accounts. I'll drop Photoshop first. I don't want to have to. Been using it since the early 90's. Subscription software, a bad idea. I much prefer the way it was.

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momonyc
By momonyc (11 months ago)

DPR, I have a question for you. Where did you get this $399 CS6 upgrade price. Last time I upgraded from CS5 to CS6 it was $199...? Thanks...

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PhotoHawk
By PhotoHawk (11 months ago)

I am against buying CS as a service (in the cloud). It is very much in Adobe's interest to have me work with CS in a subscription model and very much not in my interest. Adobe can artificially create a "burning bush" by making new features available only in the cloud but frankly all they will do is alienate me and I'll find an alternate such as Capture One for example that recognizes that not everyone wants a software as a service model.
Frankly I think Adobe is a getting a bit too pushy and is putting long term alienation of its user base at the altar of short term profits.
But then most of us have been saying that for years.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (11 months ago)

Agree. I want to buy, not lease software.

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markds
By markds (11 months ago)

When you think of it, the traditional up-grade cycle was about once every 18 months and the up-grade cost for PS alone was about 200 dollars. That's around $11 per month. Now they are asking 20, so almost double. The one advantage of it is that new features come more quickly than they did with dot releases, if that is at all important to you. The major disadvantage is that it's a taxi meter - the day you stop paying you cease having Photoshop, whereas a perpetual license is exactly that. There's no question that it's an attempt to chain users to a revenue grab at a time when the case for upgrading becomes less compelling with each new release, because the application is so mature that its capabilities probably far exceed what most of us will ever need. Their bean-counters aren't dumb, but they may be outsmarting themselves. Time will tell.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (11 months ago)

@markds -- The chaining of the users would be fine if the value prop was any good. I have been using Office 2003 and Office 2007 for a long, long time ... yet I still jumped at Office 2013 because the value prop was excellent, and so are the apps. Adobe clearly think everyone is a professional and is willing to part with 50 bucks every month ... that is nuts.

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TimR32225
By TimR32225 (11 months ago)

We are also screwed if we want to upgrade our cameras because Adobe will not be updating camera raw anymore and therefore you will need to subscribe to get the latest raw converter.

So now, when your camera is obsolete and you want to upgrade it to a new one, you can no longer use photoshop unless you subcribe. I usually only upgraded every other version, with the exception being when I purchased a new camera and was forced to upgrade to the latest version of photoshop to avoid having to convert Canon RAW files to DNG to keep using my present version of photoshop.

This latest move by Adobe really disappoints me. I've seen it coming from Microsoft with Office and other software, but I just got blindsided by Adobe doing this with Photoshop. If you ask me, this deal really sucks !

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juergen68
By juergen68 (11 months ago)

there is still the dng converter to handle current raw files in old CS versions ...

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simmybear31
By simmybear31 (11 months ago)

As someone said earlier upgrade lightroom for the RAW manipulation and then put it back in your existing version of PS.

Although i dare say adobe will close that loophole if they see revenue slide!

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