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Adobe heralds subscription-only future for Photoshop and Creative Suite

By dpreview staff on May 6, 2013 at 18:28 GMT

Adobe has said it will no longer be developing its Creative Suite range of software, leaving its subscription and cloud-based Creative Cloud as the only way of accessing the latest version of Photoshop. Adobe has been trying to encourage users away from the traditional one-off payment licenses and on to a monthly payment model, with features such as online storage and syncing between devices. This latest move ups the ante by making it the only option for future versions of the software.

Adobe is clearly concerned about alienating existing users and has set the pricing of its Creative Cloud products at a similar level to its existing software. The cost of licensing just Photoshop CC over 18 months (the typical life-span of a version of Photoshop), is similar to the existing version-to-version upgrade prices, if you commit to a 24-month contract. Paying to use Photoshop CC on an ad-hoc, on/off basis will cost more (though opening the option of only paying for the software when you need it).

Adobe says it will continue to support CS6 but will not be replacing it. This allows it to focus its efforts on a single line of products, rather than trying to support both, in tandem. It also says it will allow the addition of processor-intensive features, such as Camera Shake Reduction tool, where the work can be conducted in the cloud.

To soften the blow, Adobe is offering discounted rates for current owners of Creative Suite (including previous versions), valid until August 2013. The move will not affect Lightroom customers, who will continue to be able to purchase 'perpetual' licenses.

However, while the move clearly makes sense for a company whose software has always been so widely pirated, such a dramatic move will undoubtedly be unsettling for many people who have always thought of software as a one-off purchase.

Adobe has published an open letter to its users and says it wants to start a dialogue with its user-base over the changes.


Press Release:

Adobe Accelerates Shift to the Cloud

LOS ANGELES — May 6, 2013 — At Adobe MAX, The Creativity Conference, Adobe (Nasdaq:ADBE) today accelerated its shift to the cloud with a major update to Adobe® Creative Cloud™, the company’s flagship offering for creatives. Today’s update to Creative Cloud is packed with features, reimagining the creative process through a new set of “CC” desktop applications and enhanced cross-device collaboration and publishing capabilities (see separate press release). With this update, creative files can be stored, synced and shared, via Creative Cloud, on Mac OS, Windows, iOS and Android; and Behance, the world’s leading online creative community, is integrated with Creative Cloud, so customers can showcase work, get feedback on projects and gain global exposure.

Creative Cloud’s advanced capabilities are making it a hit with the worldwide creative community: more than a half million paid members, and well over 2 million total members have signed up for Creative Cloud since it was launched in April 2012.

Adobe also announced that the company will focus creative software development efforts on its Creative Cloud offering moving forward. While Adobe Creative Suite® 6 products will continue to be supported and available for purchase, the company has no plans for future releases of Creative Suite or other CS products. Focusing development on Creative Cloud will not only accelerate the rate at which Adobe can innovate but also broaden the type of innovation the company can offer the creative community.

“We launched Creative Cloud a year ago and it has been a runaway success,” said David Wadhwani, senior vice president and general manager, Digital Media, Adobe. “By focusing our energy -- and our talented engineers -- on Creative Cloud, we’re able to put innovation in our members’ hands at a much faster pace.”

On top of new collaboration and publishing services and the integration of Behance, today’s announced update to Creative Cloud includes stunning versions of Adobe’s next generation of desktop applications -- including Adobe Photoshop® CC, InDesign® CC, Illustrator® CC, Dreamweaver® CC and Premiere® Pro CC. Adobe’s desktop tools, previously known as Creative Suite (CS), are now branded CC to reflect that they are an integral part of Creative Cloud and have been reinvented to support a more intuitive, connected way of creating.

Adobe is facilitating the transition to Creative Cloud with attractive pricing plans and promotions for individual members, teams and enterprise customers. For more details, visit: https://creative.adobe.com/plans. Adobe will continue to sell licenses for all CS6 products via electronic download from adobe.com and participating resellers.

About Creative Cloud

Adobe Creative Cloud is a membership-based service that provides users with access to download and install Adobe creative desktop applications; game developer tools and integration with the Adobe Touch Apps. With Creative Cloud membership, users also have access to: a vibrant global creative community; publishing services to deliver apps and websites; cloud storage and the ability to sync to virtually any device; and new products and exclusive updates as they’re developed.

Membership Plans and Availability

By signing up for Creative Cloud today, creatives will be set up to immediately download and use these latest cloud-enabled innovations from Adobe, when they are available next month. Creative Cloud membership for individuals is US$49.99 per month based on annual membership; existing customers who own CS3 to CS5.5 get their first year of Creative Cloud at the discounted rate of US $29.99 per month. Students and teachers can get Creative Cloud for $29.99 per month. Promotional pricing is available for some customers, including CS6 users. A team version of Creative Cloud includes everything individual members receive plus 100GB of storage and centralized deployment and administration capabilities. Creative Cloud for teams is priced at US $69.99 per month per seat. Existing customers, who own a volume license of CS3 or later, get their first year of Creative Cloud for teams at the discounted rate of US $39.99 per month per seat if they sign up before the end of August 2013.

Adobe also announced Creative Cloud for enterprise today and special licensing programs for educational institutions and government. For more details, visit: https://creative.adobe.com/plans.

Comments

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

My guess is that only the top 25% of pro's can justify the price they demand.

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (11 months ago)

If the other 75% can't afford $50 per month I'd be certainly concerned how they call themselves 'Pro'

I certainly don't like the force pricing scheme, but the amount of piracy, development time between versions because people skip versions, and some decent discounts, I will have to accept it.

4 upvotes
Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

You must be confusing pro photographers with pro athletes. You were only off by two zeros.

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (11 months ago)

what? perhaps you missed the decimal.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

I see you get the point ;) ...three zeros it is!

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (11 months ago)

and perhaps the point I'll make is I wouldn't hire a 'pro' if he can't afford $50 per month.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

A Pro can afford
but also the Pro is not that STUPID
Pro plan
stick to CS 6 for a while
look for alternatives to rise

1 upvote
Lucas_
By Lucas_ (11 months ago)

I've been using Photoshop regularly since its version 3. With this new policy, I'll just stick with CS6 Ext, which I believe will serve me very well for a long time. As for RAW conversion, though I like CR, my preference goes to Silkypix Pro5 and it supports my new cameras as well. No more Photoshp upgrades for me!

10 upvotes
Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (11 months ago)

I just tried to upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 on line but was transferred to direct sales. I was informed that there are no longer upgrades available. The cloud is the only option. I was told that my first year would be $360 and thereafter $49.99 per month. My present costs are a Lightroom upgrade every 2 years $99. CS design suite standard upgrade every 2 years $275. Thus $374 every 2 years, which is affordable. I only use Lightroom, photoshop and in- design. Now they want me to pay $600 per year from year 2 for the same thing, a 321% increase!!!

These people are bandits. I will stick with CS5.5 and lightroom and once an alternative presents itself I will dump adobe.

37 upvotes
Svetoslav Popov
By Svetoslav Popov (11 months ago)

Hahaha, what a joke. No way i'm paying a monthly fee for Photoshop. I'm trying to REDUCE my monthly bills, not increase them. It will be very interesting to see what happens with Adobe in the near future. :)

29 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (11 months ago)

Awesome, just what I wanted, another monthly bill. Thanks Adobe! Do I replace gym membership with an Adobe membership, or my monthly gas bill?

12 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

Whatever you were going without to spend $600 all at once on retail copies of the CS products.

1 upvote
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

Keep the CS 6 for now
Look at alternatives to gimp your images or to corel your pictures
No more Shopping Photos because it's a rental service in the Clouds

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redhed17
By redhed17 (11 months ago)

Looks like CS6 will be my final version of Photoshop. :-( I've enjoyed the ride, but I think I'll stay where I am.

Ah well, it will save me some money in the future.

No way will I ever pay a subscription for any software.

Hope they don't come up with anything too mind blowing in the future, because I don't want to be too envious. ;-) lol

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

I'd love to know the real story behind all this. Regardless of the true response to Creative Cloud, you would expect Adobe to say that "everyone wants to rent software but you" once they decided to move forward. On the other hand, Adobe isn't going to slit its own throat if it doesn't believe this attempt to squeeze more cash out of its customer base isn't going to work. It makes me wonder what percentage of their revenue is derived from corporations vs. individuals and small businesses. I would guess it is the latter that will find this most unacceptable. I can't imagine myself ever renting software from any vendor.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

29.99 a month? Have they completely lost their minds, or are they just being greedy? Aside from the totally lame downgrade of being a completely cloud based service, is Adobe even living in the real world where we a currently experiencing a prolonged global economic crisis?

Will the average small businesses, or working photographer find this cloud based version attractive or even an option? I can't imagine they will.

This is what happens when a company has a monopoly: they can gauge loyal customers because they are keenly aware there is NO alternative.

Just say no to the corporate oligarchy and yes to Open Source solutions. And pray these OS solutions work with your camera. :-)

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

$20 for a single app, $50 for the whole suite. $30 is "upgrade" pricing for only the first year.

Can small business that could not handle $20 a month be able to pay $600 up front to run PS CS6?

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

You see, that $600 can extend over many years of use. Many are still happy with Photoshop CS3, which came out ages ago. And if the computer lasts and is taken care of, it may mean anywhere from 5-10 years of solid use of a program. Adobe knows that, and that is why they want subscription based monopoly.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

If you upgrade your OS frequently as many do, older versions like CS3 simply will not work. And AFAIK, ACR is only backwards compatible for 1 or 2 versions.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

It's not that ACR is necessary for image creation. Photoshop is a versatile tool used by designers for all sorts of things, not only photography workflow.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@Zvonimir Tosic

ACR is necessary if you plan on converting your RAW files to JPEG.

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yslee1
By yslee1 (11 months ago)

Only if you change cameras. Hence, upgrading every other version of Photoshop makes sense.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

http://lifehacker.com/5965889/how-to-run-windows-xp-for-free-in-windows-8
Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate has this as an easy download&install
Later you can virtualize the W8
I guess camera sales will go down unless a RAW/TIFF converter is not included

1 upvote
InTheMist
By InTheMist (11 months ago)

I'll be switching.

3 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (11 months ago)

Oh well. No new versions for me. But then CS3 does everything I want anyway.

8 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

CS3 is not going to work forever. If you ever upgrade your OS, the new version most likely won't support versions as old as CS3.

2 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (11 months ago)

On the Mac, Snow Leopard is the driving line. With 10.6.8, you can use any earlier PPC program. In Tiger with Classic, we could go back to programs written for a Mac Plus!

1 upvote
CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

http://lifehacker.com/5965889/how-to-run-windows-xp-for-free-in-windows-8
Windows 7 has this as an easy download&install
In the Future you can virtualise the W8

1 upvote
PerL
By PerL (11 months ago)

This is a sign that the end of Adobe is coming. Since they cant make upgrades attractive enough for people to buy them, they try to use the monopoly card and force people into an endless pay system. It wont work - people dont want a hostage situation, and big publishing companies dont want that either.
Who wants to bet on a format for their work and recorded memories that requires a life long subscription.

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agentul
By agentul (11 months ago)

Autodesk is in a similar situation. however, they are in an even more advanced monopolistic position, having control over the DWG file standard as well. so, to solve the problem of their users seeing little benefit in upgrading, Autodesk just changes the DWG format every 3 years and forces upgrades on a lot of the corporate customers. However, I haven't seen any 2013 DWG files yet (the format went live a year ago), so I have a feeling that a lot of companies aren't that willing to upgrade and cause potential problems with their partners (having people ask you to convert a few hundred large drawings to a different format because they can't work with them can be a problem).

now imagine if Adobe had control over the JPEG format.

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smafdy
By smafdy (11 months ago)

Autodesk has a monopoly. I won't be held hostage by them, either. if a clients needs 3-D CAD renderings, THEY can buy me the software, and i'll create them some smoking hot models. Barring that, there are only a few of my clients that ask for such.

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agentul
By agentul (11 months ago)

for construction-related work i've only seen two exceptions so far: one company that gave us DWGs created in a non-Autocad program (Autocad kept complaining when i opened them) and another company that worked in Catia. given that they building was designed by a famous and mad architect, they could afford to be crazy like that, and Catia has certain advantages that Autocad doesn't. Everyone else uses Autocad. If you're hiring a specialized consultant that relies on DWG to do his job, you'll get charged additional services.

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JSees
By JSees (11 months ago)

The last time I dealt with AutoCAD the model was that you bought the software, and you bought maintenance. That is certainly the model with MicroSurvey, which also uses DWG.
Maintenance is optional. If you don't want it, don't buy it, but don't count on any support. On the other hand, you can use the version you own for as long as it will run. If you do buy the maintenance, upgrades are included, but you don't have to install them.

This model is common with various kinds of expensive software, including CAD, GIS, high-end 3D animation, etc. The maintenance is optional and the upgrades are not force-fed even if you're on maintenance.
They also all use a license manager that ties the software to a specific hardware component: USB key, disk VSN or network MAC. Makes it harder to pirate.

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JmaverickPro
By JmaverickPro (11 months ago)

When they first announced this tactic I was really upset about it, but since using it I have to say I am honestly very pleased with it. I think it's currently the only win-win situation for everyone.

The only people who should be complaining about this are the boot leggers. The product works offline and allows access too all programs.

Assuming Master collection costs around $2500, at the current rate of $50 a month (I am only paying $29 as an "upgrader"), it would take 4 years to pay out the same thing it would cost to own it. By that time, Adobe would have already released 2 if not 3 more versions that you would again have to purchase.

The way I say it everyone wins. The legitimate owners get a price cut, and Adobe actually gets paid for the product they make.

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

I wonder if your initial assumption, $2500 for the suite, is accurate. My employer pays less than half of that. You do raise an interesting issue though. I wonder if this move will stop piracy or encourage it. For those thinking it will stop piracy, remember that the programs are still downloaded and installed locally. You just rent instead of own.

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (11 months ago)

Do you work for Adobe?
Your numbers are flawed. You are paying $29.99 for the first year after which it goes to $49.99. This is much more than the upgrade cost every 2 years. It may be economically advantageous to new purchasers but certainly not for the huge base of existing registered users who have already forked out thousands over the years.

It seems to me that existing users are being royally screwed whilst new users of their suites may have an advantage.

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JmaverickPro
By JmaverickPro (11 months ago)

No I don't work for Adobe. I don't even like Adobe all that much per-say. Their programs crash way too frequently, and offered no recovery system up until recently.

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65167117-CS6-Master-Collection/dp/B007R0RJRS

Once you add in tax, its getting close to $2500. Even if you want to leave it at $2000, that's $2000 a lot of people can't pay for up front. And I don't know what employer you have that gets "half off", but the owners of the sign shop I used to work for weren't so lucky. My boss called adobe a few years ago and they said they had to purchase a separate copy per computer (there were 5) at the MSRP. I can understand if there is a discount for volume buyers, but not everyone is a volume buyer.

I also realize you can't stop piracy, but this might be perhaps a little more manageable.

If a person can't make back that $50 a month then perhaps it isn't a worthwhile investment for that person.

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agentul
By agentul (11 months ago)

tlinn: " For those thinking it will stop piracy, remember that the programs are still downloaded and installed locally."

so it's a matter of emulating the license server? then it depends on how the system is set up, and how much actual protection it will have.
here's a scenario: 99% unbreakable software means that only people who pay for it can use it, or people with very good "warez" skills (pirating+using pirated products). a lot of the big software companies have pretty weak protection systems, because they must see a benefit in poor students learning to use their programs before joining the work force. look at "standards" such as Windows, AutoCAD, Office, Ansys, Matlab, etc. Student licenses are not really common in developing countries, or at least they weren't when I was in college. So if everyone knows how to use these programs at a reasonable level upon graduation, the employers see more value in them. Imagine having to learn Autocad or Photoshop AFTER getting a job.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

time to switch to Corel or similar...
maximum price 99,99$ for a year..or two...or three

1 upvote
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

All right Apple, is this what you've been waiting for to release Aperture X with Photoshop-like editing tools?

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Rickard Hansson
By Rickard Hansson (11 months ago)

?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

I have a few friends that made LR3 and they told me quite a bit of the "core" lightroom people left Adobe to go work on Aperture. This was just before lightroom 4 came out. My guess is aperture will get even better.

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WildSammy
By WildSammy (11 months ago)

I'm waiting too.. although I switched from LR to Aperture and from PS to Pixelmator about a year ago :-) very good combination :)

1 upvote
ScottnLaguna
By ScottnLaguna (11 months ago)

I just bought CS6 photoshop a week ago. It was on sale for $449 at Adorama. Now I know why it was on sale. I will use it until some other smart company comes along and fills this new nitche. I will never go cloud. Never make monthly payments, like cable tv. I was very angry when kindle went cloud. Dropped them too. I also noticed there were no prices quoted for CS6 users. What does that mean?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

Most people will pirate if:

Software is good, convenient, and high cost

Most people will buy if:

Software is good, convenient, and price is fair (High Value)

January 25, 2012
Most Pirated Software
Application
DriverPack Solution 11
Adobe Photoshop CS5.1
Microsoft Office 2010
Microsoft Word 2007
WinRAR 4.0
Nero Burning ROM 10.5
Adobe Illustrator CS5.1
ESET Smart Security 5
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1
Adobe After Effects CS4
Avast AntiVirus Home Edition
Corel Draw X5
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399318,00.asp

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wlad
By wlad (11 months ago)

I wonder why anyone bothers stealing winrar, when there are free alternatives (that are just as good) available - like 7zip, peazip etc

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JamesInCA
By JamesInCA (11 months ago)

I wonder how many CS licensees there are?

If I could produce a $999 alternative and sell it to a million people, that would be a billion dollars.

There are a number of companies with the resources to do just such a thing. Last week it wouldn't have made financial sense to build a $999 alternative to CS. This week it might.

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (11 months ago)

Yep, lost me too. Looking for alternatives.

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smafdy
By smafdy (11 months ago)

Adobe is trying to enter the rentier class.

Maybe there will be some ground-shaking improvements, but CS 5 is robust enough for me.

Being that the vast majority of current license-holders are middle class, and being that the middle class is currently hard put upon, I don't think this move will result in a growing user base. For those that do adopt new subscription-based services, look for ever rising prices, as your cohort will foot the entire bill for any and all upgrades, plus Adobe's quarterly profit requirement(s) by the stock market(s).

I hate it when a good company loses its mind.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

CS 5 is good software, but the raw conversion thing is the problem because new cameras have new raw formats.

CaptureOne is celebrating at this news.

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mandophoto
By mandophoto (11 months ago)

For graphic designers working in print media there are no alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator. As for GIMP, last I checked it does not have a CMYK work space. For page layout QuarkXpress is still around and is quite good but it is also very expensive. So most graphic professionals will pass the cloud based cost to customers, and cross their fingers.

As for Lightroom, Adobe knows there are true alternatives. Still, considering it is now bundled with some Samsung and other cameras, Lightroom may gain such a huge share that it will become (like Photoshop) the de facto raw converter which will give Adobe a lot of muscle.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (11 months ago)

It might make sense for many people to NOT subscribe but to use a competitor's products from say, ACDSee, Corel, shoot, even Serif, for everyday uses and buy a one month subscription when they can't handle something. If the second tier publishers are smart, and handle this opportunity properly, they could turn Adobe into a niche player

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Sabatia
By Sabatia (11 months ago)

I've been using Photoshop regularly but occasionally since it came out in 1990! I have used it semi-professionally for all those years to make collages, posters, and fine art prints. Until the latest version, I have upgraded with every other version. I believe I have paid for and owned at least seven versions. When I went to upgrade a few weeks ago from CS5--I needed the newest version not for PS but to have Camera Raw for my latest cameras-- and was told that I had to buy the full version, for the first time, I balked, and ended getting Lightroom. I now do my Raw conversions in Lightroom but do all my other tasks in my older version of CS.

With this new policy, they have now just about lost me completely. As a very serious hobbiest who occasionally does professional work, the cost is now prohibitive. I will look for alternatives. Shame on Adobe for shutting all us enthusiasts out.

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smafdy
By smafdy (11 months ago)

I'm right there with you. From the beginning. Not digging this move.

4 upvotes
SETI
By SETI (11 months ago)

Same here... I can't even upgrade now. Adobe acts like absolute monopolist

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brettchris
By brettchris (11 months ago)

sabatia this is a good model and they also dropped the price of lightroom. so as long as future versils of LR can save in a suitable format for Cs5,6 we have an ongoing solution.

they would have to have some pretty amazing new feature in PS for us to have to pay lots more to upgrade then.

I have used PS for ever, recently started using LR to manage the photos and pretty amazed at the power of LR for images, now only occasionaly do i need to switch out to PS for a photo.

one quetion: wonder if they will have free upgades to ACR for Lightroom so we can support our latest cameras?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

Looking for software to convert DNG back to NEF.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

In what way does this affect DNG?

If you can explain your concerns, we can ask Adobe about them.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

When are they going to force people to rent the DNG converter, too? They are erroding trust, and every human action is based on trust or lack thereof. If they can't be trusted now then nothing they do, have done, or touch can be trusted.

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Rickard Hansson
By Rickard Hansson (11 months ago)

DNG is an open standard, so why the concerns?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

I have 300K of DNG's from nikon and olympus. I would like to be able to use other software if needed.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

Re: Butler,
I converted all my files to DNG since I had full trust in the standard. I do not see other software vendors embracing it. The safe thing to have done is to keep the original RAW file from the manufacture. This is my concern. The best case scenario would be adobe sell PS at the same price as lightroom ($150) This is the only way Non Pro's or part time pros will continue to use the software. (due to cost)

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

Adobe has been trying to get DNG adopted as an ISO standard, at which point you won't be dependent on them.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (11 months ago)

Anyone who didn't keep pre dng conversion copies of photos somewhere was asking for trouble!

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

Wow. Isn't this what many people feared when Adobe first announced its scheme to rent software? I can still hear Adobe apologist Scott Kelby bleating "You don't HAVE to rent it. You can still BUY it." So much for that.

I can totally understand why Adobe would do this. Who wouldn't want to force their customer base into providing a continual, predictable revenue stream? For me, this new paradigm absolutely does NOT work. I feel like Adobe is trying to pick my pocket. What will I do when CS6 becomes so long in the tooth that I need to upgrade? I don't even know. It won't be Creative Cloud.

Photographer Martin Bailey shared an interesting personal anecdote regarding the Creative Cloud apart from the rental issue. He was on an Antarctic trip that lasted over 30 days. Although his bill with Adobe was paid, he had no internet connection to let his software know this. After 30 days of no contact with the Adobe mothership, all his CS software quit working. Nice.

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JayEm Photos
By JayEm Photos (11 months ago)

Maybe it's a good time to cancel my upcoming Lightroom workshops and start teaching Capture One instead... the early bird catches the worm. Only Problem I have at the moment: I really don't know a good alternative to Photoshop especially with regard to an overall workflow.

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mikesco
By mikesco (11 months ago)

Sorry Adobe, this model may be acceptable to your corporate users, however, I doubt you will find it embraced by the hobbyist sector. I also think that you underestimate how large this sector of your user base is.
We were fine with dishing out $149 for an upgrade every other version, but to spend $20 - $40 a month indefinitely is not going to fly. We will find an alternative. This is nothing but arrogance and corporate greed.

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JamesInCA
By JamesInCA (11 months ago)

I'm not even sure how acceptable it will be to the corporate users, given that the "team" price is $70/month per user.

In the old scheme, even though the software was expensive, you could buy it for the less-frequent users and just not upgrade it quite as often. You had control over when you spent the money for it. Now you have to make a choice to go all-in, permanently, for each and every user.

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KevinFultonPhotography
By KevinFultonPhotography (11 months ago)

Unfortunately, for the hobbyist they were never Adobe's target for such software. They have always looked to the creative professionals. If you mentioned that to an Adobe Executive they'd probably say that PS and Premier Elements are products for hobbyists (and they're right). There's plenty of other options for the hobbyist or enthusiasts. As for commercial users, Adobe's response would probably be "So what are they going to do? Stop using the industry standard?". The sad truth is the answer to their question is "of course not."

2 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

...because selling to your target is more important than selling period? Where's the sense in that?

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lightpainterx
By lightpainterx (11 months ago)

I've switched to Photoline. It's feature packed and comes close in many respects. It fully supports 16 bit tiff processing and is a 64 bit application. Checkout http://macapper.com/2008/01/20/photoline-a-truly-great-photoshop-alternative/ and http://www.pl32.com/index.php

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (11 months ago)

Right, another company on my personal boycott list...

(I'm switching my K-5 to PEF in protest)

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

I don't get some comments...

The full box was about £600-650 when I bought, I paid £200 for upgrade and now I will pay this previous amount monthly.
I am paying for an online service instead of offline software. So what?

My dentist doesn't work for free, I have to pay in the supermarket, my customers pay me for photography and retouching.
It's a tool. A carpenter has to pay for his tools, a photographer wouldn't?

There is a free alternative picture editor, GIMP. Enjoy.

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JamesInCA
By JamesInCA (11 months ago)

There are a lot of customers who don't buy each and every version. So they can now either pay considerably more to use the Adobe software, or find alternatives.

Adobe is either betting they will pay more, or has calculated that these users are an insignificant portion of the market.

What I wonder if they've correctly calculated is the probability that credible commercial alternatives costing less than, say, $1200 will emerge.

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

@Gabor I don't get your comment. Your dentist provides a service. Although Adobe would like to adopt the software-as-a-service model, it is not inherently so.

You talk about tools. How many carpenters rent all their tools? Do you rent all your photography gear? I'm guessing you don't. If you do you are certainly in the minority.

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (11 months ago)

You completely missed the point of those comments.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

The difference is the supermarket doesn't charge you for every minute you are in the store whether you take any groceries home or not. And very rarely does the grocery store have a sytem failure that wouldn't allow you to walk in the front doors and buy food, which would be a big issue if you were starving to death. Certain business models work for a reason, and paying to license a piece of software is still paying for your tools. When a carpenter goes to do a job he doesn't have to rent them by the month in order gain access to his toolbox. He has the right to use them whenever he wants. Your analogies fail.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

(1) Many of the people on this site, including some "pros" are not professionals so this is not a business expense. (2) As Adobe adds more features to Lightroom, Photoshop becomes less and less necessary, unless you like making selections, refining edges and guessing which layer. That's about as far from the enjoyment of photography as you can get, in my opinion.

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JayEm Photos
By JayEm Photos (11 months ago)

It's not that I'm not willing to pay for my tools. The point is - and that is only my personal preference - I want to buy my tools, not to rent them... and I think many others are feeling the same way.

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

tlinn,

Partly I do. I rent cinema lights, I rent a studio, I pay my assistant and occasionally I rent a medium format camera.
Like carpenters or builders sometimes have to rent special tools what they don't need on daily basis.

Adobe will provide as well. We are getting new add-ons, Cloud service, software update, etc.

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

JayEm Photos,

I don't have Adobe papers (are they on any stock market?) but I understand them.
I used to be an architect designer and we had the same experience: less than 10% of designers bought the CAD softwares and 50% of users made money with.
The situation might be same here: more users make money with Adobe softwares than who pay for them.
Blame them not the Adobe. Or both. :)

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

Howard,

"Your analogies fail." The supermarket part does.
The carpenter analogy still stands.
Even carpenters do license softwares or rent industrial tools.

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JayEm Photos
By JayEm Photos (11 months ago)

@Gabor Szantai: It's ok for me to rent some tools that I don't use on a daily basis. It doesn't make any sense to buy a RED that I only use 2 or 3 times a year... But I still want to own the tools I use on a daily basis and (like my Nikons and my Phase One) Photoshop and Lightroom are such tools (for video editing I stay with FinalCut). But again: That's just a personal preference.

EDIT:
I agree... the people who use pirated software to make money are a huge problem for a company like Adobe. But I fear the "cloud only" policy will be a bigger damage on the long run... It's easy to replace Lightroom and Premiere Pro ... the only problem is to find a good alternative to Photoshop... but I think (I hope) after this announcement the competitors will wake up and use the chance.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

On occasion. I doubt they rent a shovel. Post processing software is a tool like a camera. I don't have to pay a monthly fee to keep my camera working. Enjoy subscribing to whatever you want to use. Maybe one day you can pay a monthly fee to keep your refridgerator door functioning. Hope you don't lose your internet connection.

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

"Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Suite applications?
Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check.

However, if the product is unable to verify your license at the 30 day mark, a 7-day grace period will begin giving you a little extra time. If you are not able to access internet within those 7 days, your applications will be blocked."

There are other options, nobody is forced to use PS.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (11 months ago)

If you don't upgrade to a new and better/'better' dentist every year your teeth don't all fall out the next day do they?

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LarryK
By LarryK (11 months ago)

Yes, and carpenters would just love it when their tools stopped working every month, and none of the work they had previously done was accessible.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

I swear, the requirement for internet access is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You HAVE to have data on your phone, internet at home, internet at work, internet to access your files, internet to watch movies, internet to USE you GD software, internet to wipe your butt... The ONLY reason to make everything one single integrated unit is so that you are required to pay for ALL of them so you can use any one of them. Facebook offers a free service to connect you to your friends and family then uses the information of sell you things in such a devious way that you are almost unaware you're buying things, and we thank them for it because now you can't just call your 10 friends and 30 family members, you've got 987 friends and family that REQUIRE Facebook to keep them all straight. What an f'ing racket. Adobe won't let you have a license even, you have to rent the item and the moment you won't pay up you lose your capability. Extortion.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

carpenter makes a FULL YEAR CONTRACT you say?
the 50 bucks per month is still a full year contract
Thus the ANAL-ogy fails misarably
GREED!

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orbitalpunk
By orbitalpunk (11 months ago)

Thank god for Pixelmator as a legitimate up an coming replacement for Photoshop.

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SETI
By SETI (11 months ago)

Not for PC =(

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TheSquid
By TheSquid (11 months ago)

for some of us, we DON"T want to have our images stored on someone else's servers. Nor do we want to run software from the cloud....that's why we spend a ton of money on our OWN systems to have them do what we want, when we want, and away from an internet connection as well....how do you use the cloud on a cruise ship or an airplane?

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

To be clear, you install the software locally. But, at least to this point, if your computer doesn't contact the Adobe mothership at least once a month to verify your subscription it will stop working.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

If that's the case then no doubt there will be a hack out tomorrow that makes it possible to use the software without the subscription.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (11 months ago)

"If that's the case then no doubt there will be a hack out tomorrow that makes it possible to use the software without the subscription."

Who wants to be in a constant civil war with Adobe, where you apply a hack, then they apply a patch that requires a new hack?. Remember they will be able to change your software at will. Easier to just buy something else.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

Be sure to email/call/mail Adobe with your disapproval of this crap. And encourage everyone you know to the same as well.

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BillFS
By BillFS (11 months ago)

Does anyone have a contact email address for Adobe? Their webpage seems overly keen to point you at live chat and I don't have time to waste on that. Thanks!

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Gibbosa
By Gibbosa (11 months ago)

Suddenly Google's purchase of Nik Software looks like very smart business. Of course, they are also "in the cloud"....

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Lea5
By Lea5 (11 months ago)

I work with an advertising company and we all are shocked about this move. We are working with Adobe products for more than 15 years and in the moment using the latest Creative Suites. We discussed it today and made the decision to use CS6 as long as possible and then moving to other products. InDesign will be replaced by QuarkXPress, Lightroom will be replaced by Phase One or others. Premiere CS6 will be replaced by Final Cut Pro X or Vegas. For the other stuff we produce we will find a solution. We will never NEVER use a cloud based software!

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

Lightroom remains boxed software. Capture One Pro is about 230 EUR...

Any other smart move?

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Lea5
By Lea5 (11 months ago)

We use Phase One since 2002 besides Lightroom for our MF-backs. So we won't cry losing Lightroom. Phase One is the better software anyway ;-)

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

Corel

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JamesInCA
By JamesInCA (11 months ago)

For individuals: $600/year, $360 for the first year if you own CS3 - 5.5.

I suppose they've already done the calculation that this will eliminate virtually all individual users who aren't using CS as part of a profit-making business. This will also drive away the enterprise and SOHO type users, like myself, who own CS but use it rather more occasionally, as particular projects require. No way would I budget $480/year for the handful of colleagues in my group who use CS from time to time. In effect, they have limited themselves to the pro market now.

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JamesInCA
By JamesInCA (11 months ago)

Wait ... the "Team" price is $69.99/mo, and the individual price is $49.99/mo. So they actually want to charge volume customers *more* per user than individuals - with some additional benefits, sure, but enough for an incremental 40%?

No way. They've gone completely bonkers. Some MBA is about to get his ass handed to him when the uptake assumptions fail.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

I bet the pro market has their own objections to constantly using a cloud-based service. Photographers and artists want their work stored locally, are distrustful of remote services, and must have extremely reliable and mobile programs that can survive without a data connection. CC has made itself obsolete simply by existing without an Adobe alternative. Other alternatives do exist and were just waiting for a reason for professionals to give them a second glance.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

both programs and files are still stored locally
a monthly check is needed (30 days grace period)
it's just that the pricing goes up
and renting doesn't leave you with a tools once you stop paying

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

It may be that Adobe isn't that interested in photographers, since many don't buy the entire Creative "Suite". Well, now you'll get it (and pay for it) whether you want it or not.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

You can get just PhotoShop for a "mere" 9,95$/month
as an old user - for the first year
then the price goes 200% to 19,95$/month
The second year contract is "included"
After that it's a yearly contract with monthly payment
and a promise: "price will stay"
Yeah, right!
AND
you know what? You don't have to pay for it!
How?
Buy Corel or get a free Gimp and there are other players..

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Central Fla
By Central Fla (11 months ago)

I wonder if they will try to find a way to kill the current software licenses ?

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crow24
By crow24 (11 months ago)

Adobe has to have a plan to deal with all of us that plan to stick with the latest installed stand-alone version. We likely won't like it.

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Bart Hickman
By Bart Hickman (11 months ago)

$20/month for Photoshop? That's much more than double the current cost with upgrades. The competition must be jumping for joy at this huge market opening Adobe is handing them. CS6 will certainly be the last version of Photoshop I buy.

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wlad
By wlad (11 months ago)

what competition ?

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tlinn
By tlinn (11 months ago)

@wlad This is the problem, isn't it? When once company becomes so dominant in an industry they start to feel like they can extort money from their customer base. It's hard for me to view this any other way. My hope is that by the time CS6 needs upgrading, alternatives will be available.

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KWEnz
By KWEnz (11 months ago)

Adobe just made is much much easier for other companies (and new startups) to compete with them. What InDesign did to QuarkXPress is what some other good software will do to Photoshop. There are many talented developers round the world that will relish the opportunity to step into Photoshop's shoes.

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Bart Hickman
By Bart Hickman (11 months ago)

wlad, there is no competition at the high end. Obviously I'm talking about low end competition like Paintshop Pro and Photoline and even competition further down the ladder with future aspirations like Acorn (which is getting more advanced at an amazing rate.) It was very hard for these guys to ever get a foothold in the high end because Photoshop's cost only really hurt that first time you buy in and the reasonably priced upgrade kept people locked in. But for the low end, Photoshop is suddenly *very* uncompetitive from a price/performance standpoint--the lock-in on existing customers is gone and Adobe is getting a sugar high on initial sales growth of the subscription model. This will without question help these other guys and help them get a much better market foothold than would have otherwise been possible.

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Edymagno
By Edymagno (11 months ago)

Adobe's new brilliant idea is based on the premise that everybody has a fast non-intermitent internet connection 24/7/365. That is only truth if you live in a major city. What happens if you live in a rural place or if you need to work while in location in some far away land? Will I need to carry a satellite dish along my tripod, cameras and lenses?

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Oli4D
By Oli4D (11 months ago)

Adobe CC runs for 30 days without internet connection

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Jono2012
By Jono2012 (11 months ago)

My God what a greedy company Adobe is.
A curse on your household Adobe & may your plugins drop off at a very inconvenient moment.

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balios
By balios (11 months ago)

Mortgage, electric, phone, cable.... and now a monthly software bill. Thank you Adobe for listening to customers and giving us exactly what we all want: more monthly bills! (sarcasm).

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

I had to pay about £200 for upgrade and now I will pay £18 each month.
I don't do retouching under £25 per hour so I guess I will survive somehow.

£18 is a dinner at Nando's... or less:)

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

or don't upgrade after CS 6 ???
you don't *have to* to do anything except live&die
Corel?

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Paphios
By Paphios (11 months ago)

I've been considering looking at alternative RAW converters other than Adobe's. Now that it will be a necessity the question seems to be which ones to try. Meanwhile I will just use CS6 until Adobe comes to its senses or a solid alternative appears.

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wlad
By wlad (11 months ago)

I somehow doubt this whole thing has anything to do with Lightroom. It's probably relevant for Creative suite / Photoshop only.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (11 months ago)

That's correct - Lightroom will still have the perpetual license.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (11 months ago)

I'll just do the same, PS6 is quite enough for me for years to come. As for RAW conversion ACR is very good, but I always liked Silkypix ( now on v.Pro5 ) better. I never liked Lightroom's restricting file management system, so I've quit using it for some time already!

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

and LR comes from Adobe and somehow doesn't go to Cloud?
time to look for alternatives!!

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (11 months ago)

This is quite ridiculous, I presently use lightroom coupled with CS5.5 which is more than adequate for my needs as a photographer running a small business from my home. I will keep upgrading lightroom but see no need to upgrade photoshop every 2 years. In addition it is very expensive and has far more capability than I will ever need.

This cloud thing is a total rip off as sometimes I do not need photoshop for several weeks. Why then should I be forced to pay monthly for this. Adobe is simply trying to generate income as the market is obviously quite flat.

Photoshop as it stands is more than adequate for most photographic needs. Herein lies the problem, it is good enough and thus there is really no need to upgrade unless there is a radical change, that should be my choice and not Adobe's.

I am afraid that I will not be using their creative money grabbing cloud.

I have just tried to upgrade to CS6 but the only choice offered is the cloud. Quite customer unfriendly and autocratic.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

A sad fact but people have gotten used to paying for something, over and over, month after month. Use it or don't use it but keep paying. To Adobe, it's an annuity. Of course, some repeating bills can't be avoided but with the water and electric bills you only pay for what you use.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

As I have CS4, can I still buy an upgrade to CS6 now as downloadable software without going cloud monthy membership. In other words, does this mean for CS7 (relabelled CC) that we cannot buy "CS6 only upgrades" except through cloud CC starting now? This program is starting next month in last paragraph of this announcement. What can we do this month before it happens or how long do we have? The regular monthy fees for CC seem very steep at $49 per month = $600 per year, however this covers 5 programs. Every 2 years you have basically paid the equivalent of the CS Design Standard package. What about if we only want 1 or 2 programs what is the fees? Can Adobe comment on our current options?

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Mark B.
By Mark B. (11 months ago)

No more upgrades for CS4 and older versions. The upgrade pricing for older versions ran out at the end of 2012. Only CS5 owners can upgrade.

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Todd Ka
By Todd Ka (11 months ago)

How about doing a Photoshop alternative review?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

Im sure Corel is a far cry from PS6 but at least they charge a fair price for the software ($69). Im sure if adobe cut the price by 75% they would get six fold in sales (many of who would be switching from the "unlimited trial" versions)

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borisz
By borisz (11 months ago)

I've heard that Adobe's competitors went to church today to light a candle and to thank Lord for these great news...

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (11 months ago)

Is there any?

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borisz
By borisz (11 months ago)

they will manage, be sure. There's no vacuum in nature (or business) ha nincs akkor majd lesz :-)

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nikhilnh
By nikhilnh (11 months ago)

Example of a company exploiting it's monopoly to the fullest. After the acquisition of Nik software, I hope Google senses the opportunity, ups the ante and makes Adobe lament about this decision. Not that I like Google to monopolize this sector, it's just that Adobe needs to realize that they can't get away with whatever crap they throw at their customers.

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nicolas guilbert
By nicolas guilbert (11 months ago)

This is very weird, even for Pros. I am often on the move with CS6 on my laptop. Often at places with erratic or no internet connection. What is adobe thinking?

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W5JCK
By W5JCK (11 months ago)

Up yours Adobe! I've put up with your bloatware for nearly a quarter of a century because Photoshop was the best solution to my needs. I will never pay monthly extortion rates to use it. Once my PS CS6 and LR 4.4 become unusable, if not way before, I'll be switching to another Mac OS alternative. With Mac OS x gaining in the marketplace I'm sure other companies will now step up to the development table.

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SHood
By SHood (11 months ago)

The complaining will get worse when our next camera requires the Cloud service. Better start planning now for a future alternative.

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nz769r
By nz769r (11 months ago)

Adobe's RAW converter is by no means the only game in town. If anything, Adobe's competitors will step up their game in RAW conversion to entice the disaffected Adobe customers over.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (11 months ago)

I will never ever anymore buy a camera without RAW/TIFF conversion tool

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (11 months ago)

Hi everyone,
I'll be speaking with an Adobe rep in a few moments about this move. If you have any specific questions you'd like answered please reply to this post.

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Doroga
By Doroga (11 months ago)

What about Lightroom?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

If they put you on hold you may want to consider a support contract.

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howardroark
By howardroark (11 months ago)

Ask them what they'll do for money after the first time they have a server glitch or one fail altogether. Do they think professional photographers can wait? Do they think they always have an internet connection? They may be earning some extra money from the current CC model, but do they realize the difference between losing money to pirates and losing money because nobody will buy their software/subscription service will be much more devastating?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

Ask them about sales when they cut lightroom price in half and why it would or would not work with other adobe products.

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Nerv0usT1ck
By Nerv0usT1ck (11 months ago)

Kindly ask them what alternatives to Adobe products they would recommend.

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flbrit
By flbrit (11 months ago)

What about DNG and support for new cameras?

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (11 months ago)

Indeed, what about Lightroom?

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SETI
By SETI (11 months ago)

If I use Photoshop just for myself, not for work why should I pay monthly?

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Doug Pardee
By Doug Pardee (11 months ago)

What about Photoshop Elements?

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Hans von der Crone
By Hans von der Crone (11 months ago)

I have no problem with a subscription, but they should offer a seperate price for individuals and hobbyists. Ask 9.99/month for one software title, and 30/month for all and I think they would have a price comparable to buying the full thing and at the same time keep the price below a psychological edge. Look at what Nik did with Google. I never bought it, until Google made a nice price for the whole suite and bought immediately.

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Gryfster
By Gryfster (11 months ago)

I would like to understand the pricing. If they had priced it lower (like 15-25$ a month) they would have garnered a large portion of hobbyist users and students that prate the software. What was their reasoning.

I don't use Photoshop (although I recently downloaded the trial) because of the cost.

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Eric Stemen
By Eric Stemen (11 months ago)

Probably too late for you to ask, but could we get the regular yearly upgrade cost for the regular CS suites ($300) and not get the entire master collection? I purchased CS6 Production Premium last year for $1000(upgraded from CS3) and was planning on just doing yearly upgrades at ~$300 for Production Premium and now looks like it will be. $600 a year to stay up to date. I would get more programs, but I don't need the extra ones. Will not be upgrading if they don't price this more in line with the older cycle.

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highpriest
By highpriest (11 months ago)

Ask them what currency converter they used to convert $49.99 to GBP and Euro.

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Mark B.
By Mark B. (11 months ago)

Let them know they'll lose even more customers if they do the same thing to Lightroom.

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nikhilnh
By nikhilnh (11 months ago)

or without doing the same thing to Lightroom.

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nikhilnh
By nikhilnh (11 months ago)

Could you ask them which bozo took this decision? Also ask them to fire that bozo before the customers decide to fire them.

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oneroundone
By oneroundone (11 months ago)

Adobe and their greed lost me.
It's time to switch.

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nz769r
By nz769r (11 months ago)

I can't help but believe that Adobe will go to this subscription-based model across the board. More people are going to consider non-Adobe products than ever before because, like most of us, we object to being taken advantage of by this oligopoly. This is a god send for Phase One, DxO and any of the other very competitive software producers!

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