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More pictures leak of purported Olympus PEN 'E-P5'

By dpreview staff on May 2, 2013 at 21:13 GMT

Detailed images on a Chinese blog may reveal more about the next-generation Olympus PEN. Although no official announcement has been made, the extent of the leaks about the camera make its existence an open secret. Rumors suggest the camera will be called the E-P5, and suggest it will have Wi-Fi capabilities (both of which seem plausible, based on the company's naming scheme and recent industry trends).

We can't speculate any further on the specifications but the images, that appeared on Chinese tech site Mobile01.com, look promising. Assuming they're genuine, it's clear is that Olympus' design department has done a great job of refining the classic styling language it got so right with the OM-D.

Images from Mobile01.com

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Total comments: 244
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GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (11 months ago)

The retro styling never gets old- love it!The wheel at the back will allow me to take the next picture? ;-)

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tazmac
By tazmac (11 months ago)

Looks like dpreview is changing! The first time I see leaked product before it's announced..

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nickthetasmaniac
By nickthetasmaniac (11 months ago)

Not the first time they've done it...

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Not the first time at all. Though I still always find it surprising when they do comment on rumours.

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zinedi
By zinedi (11 months ago)

External EVF in the middle only, for extra money? Forget it. No built-in VF - no camera for enthusiasts and advanced photographers.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (11 months ago)

I don't need EVF/OVF on an enthusiast camera.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Bahahaha! So sick of this 'statement of fact'. You may state it as opinion for yourself only thanks.

Also you know the ones that are built in are 'for extra money' too right? I mean it isn't like if they build them in somehow they are suddenly free. Yet if I buy one of these I don't have to pay for yet another viewfinder - a bit like buying a camera 'body only' really.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (11 months ago)

Well get an OMD then.

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Ricardo Maia
By Ricardo Maia (11 months ago)

In the middle, but tiltable. You can't get a better EVF than that...

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (11 months ago)

@abortabort
I have never noticed Olympus dropping the price for all the things they leave off their Pens which tend to to be minimalism in everything but price. The rear displays are some of the worst in sunlight and many entry level compacts have more readable displays.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (11 months ago)

If this flash (as seems) is similar to the EPL-2 one, it can be bounced by tilting it with your finger, a huge advantage. I prefer the styling to the EM-5, as I never liked the 'hump', though would much prefer an EVF in the side, like the Nex 6 and 7 have, though as I have some very fine m43 lenses, this is more up my street.

From what I've read, I'm expecting the same 16mp sensor from the EM-5, which is a big step up from the EP-3 but I was hoping for some phase-detect pixels, or a new generation sensor, though I suppose those will come with the EM-6. A big plus is that very nice, tilting LCD and that the EVF is much higher resolution, which can't hurt. Oh and the excellent IBIS, which with focus-peaking, should be very nice for legacy lenses.

All in all, looking like an evolutionary upgrade, which will please a lot of m43 fans with older models.

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dpLarry
By dpLarry (11 months ago)

Looks nice.
Kinda like the direction Fuji has been going.
EP3 looks nice too.

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Simon Zeev
By Simon Zeev (11 months ago)

I have the E-PL2 with the VF-2 EVF. I love the combo but I would prefer the EVF
built in the camera. Why they don't do it?
I really don't need a WiFi (but maybe someone need)

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (11 months ago)

Good news, they did it over a year ago. Take a look at the E-M5.

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Photog74
By Photog74 (11 months ago)

The E-M5 is not a PEN series camera, it's an OM-D series model.

A totally different design.

Lots of people like it, but methinks Oly should still come out with a flat-top PEN featuring a built-in viewfinder.

11 upvotes
ianp5a
By ianp5a (11 months ago)

Yes the OM-D has a big fat lump. The Sony NEX and Fujifilms and Panasonic LF1 have no lump.
A no-lump PEN with internal EVF is what people are asking for.

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (11 months ago)

People are asking for a lot of things. And always find something new to ask for. I think Olympus did do some marketing research and came to the conclusion that now is not the time for such a model.

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Oli4D
By Oli4D (11 months ago)

Well ianp5a that "lump" also contains the electronics of the 5 axis image stabiliser as far as I know. It's not just because of the built in EVF.

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NZ Scott
By NZ Scott (11 months ago)

Well, this E-P5 also has a five-axis image stabiliser, and it doesn't have a lump. So the lump isn't necessary.

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Revenant
By Revenant (11 months ago)

The explanation for the "lump" or "hump" that I have seen, is that the 5-axis IS with the sensor floating in an electromagnetic field, requires more space for the sensor assembly. To make room for this, the electronics associated with the EVF had to be placed above the EVF, hence the "hump".
The E-P5 doesn't have an EVF, so there is fewer components in the body fighting over available space.

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sean lee
By sean lee (11 months ago)

There's rumors of Panasonic GX2 too.
It looks great.
Mixing retro style and modern style.

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duckling
By duckling (11 months ago)

I learn three things from this:
1. DPR got specific permission to link to those images. It's part of the Olympus marketing tactics to throw early teasers.
2. DPR likes this camera a lot.
3. Design and WiFi are not the only highlights of the E-P5. There are important innovations under the hood to be revealed at the official announcement.

Call me a style whore, but I love the design. Makes me want to hold it and produce great photos.

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (11 months ago)

DPR probably already has the camera and putting it to the test as we speak. Once the official announcement is made, DPR will magically post a hands-on preview article.

I do like how DPR is feigning ignorance about the camera's features.

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Nightwings
By Nightwings (11 months ago)

No viewfinder = NO SALE

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new boyz
By new boyz (11 months ago)

It does have viewfinder, only not built-in.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (11 months ago)

There is already OM-D with EVF

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (11 months ago)

Good point. They didn't need another one. But they've set the stage, the PEN's have been around for a few years. But the idea of a camera line is to have different cameras. With an EVF, this camera is much like an OM-D and will even cost about the same.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Cool! I guess there won't be a wait list for me to get my hands on an E-P5 to use with my viewfinder.

There is a world of cameras out there for you with a viewfinder so thanks for sharing.

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Uri Ben
By Uri Ben (11 months ago)

I don't care at all!!! about VF -but I am not crying about it publicly - if you don't want to buy don't buy - you have not to be so loud about it - just don't buy - I will.

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Nightwings
By Nightwings (11 months ago)

@Uri Ben - Your comments are FAR more LOUDER than mine.

When ever I run across what "I" perceive to be a perfect little camera ruined by the fact that it has no viewfinder .... I am not shy about letting the manufacturer know that ... if not for that one CRITICAL missing feature, I most probably would have bought one.

YOU may like to stand arm stretched out to take a picture.. "I" do not. YOU may like to struggle in full sunlight to see what is on the screen... "I" do not. ;)

In so far as "crying" publicly ... I sincerely doubt change would come about if one "cries" about it privately. ;)

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RStyga
By RStyga (11 months ago)

How many MP is the sensor, I wonder... I hope not 16MP, again.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Yeah that would just be such a drag, having the same number of pixels as dozens of other cameras man :( Can't they be original like by having 17MP? That would be way cool ;)

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

I thought this would have a VF. m4/3 needs a rangefinder styled body with a VF like the XE-1 or NEX 6.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (11 months ago)

I agree but they like their sales of the OM-D. Also we can cast our minds back to the E-Volt 330 for a digital SLR with a "different" look. Sales stank but it was actually true to the old Pen theme.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Why do they need that? Has anyone been asking Canon for a 5D with it's viewfinder off the side? How about Nikon? How about Pentax? Has anyone been asking Leica for one in the middle? What about Fuji? Yeah I think it might be because apart from asking for it for the sake of asking for it, there is actually no NEED for it at all.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (11 months ago)

The reason they "need" it is because the competition does. I already have the choice of about 20 compact m4/3 bodies, but NONE have built in viewfinders. And then we have 10 or so with SLR style viewfinders.

I guess in my view, what's the point of another premium m4/3 compact if it doesn't have a finder? Might as well get an E-P5.

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rocklobster
By rocklobster (11 months ago)

Pity that there is a pop-up flash where an EVF should go. But I suppose that if you really want an EVF then you should buy an E-M5 and anyway I prefer the ergonomics of the E-M5 with the two control dials that readily fall to the thumb and forefinger of my (albeit) small hand.

Also, I would hope that the in-built flash performs better than the clip-on 'kit' flash.

Cheers

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austin design
By austin design (11 months ago)

Your small hand probably explains why you're not bothered by the OM-D's lack of a substantial grip (and, yes, I'm aware of the grip attachment -- but I'm also aware of the EVF attachment).

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (11 months ago)

I guess we're all different. The dial placement of the EM-5 is its absolute worst feature. Still bugs me now after nearly a year shooting with it, and the E-P5 looks no better.

My thumb is a good 1/2 inch too short to turn the rear dial from the shooting grip. I have to take the weight of the camera with my left hand and then move my right hand up from the shooting grip to reach the rear dial with enough purchase to turn it.

With both my Ricoh GXR and Canon DSLRs, I could operate both front and rear controls from the shooting grip, holding the camera in one hand, with no danger of loosing my grip on the camera.

Try holding the EM-5 in one hand above your head (like shooting over a crowd with the swivel screen for framing). Then try to quickly and accurately turn the rear dial with your thumb. I bet most normal thumbed people would drop the camera!

I'd like to see a youtube video of someone managing to operate it. That would be one big flexible thumb!

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (11 months ago)

I use the built-in flash (in bounce mode) on my GX1 a hell of a lot more than I'd use a built-in EVF. Not having a bouncable flash built in is now a deal-breaker for me.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

The NEX-6 somehow managed an evf, a flash, and a hot shoe. It is tough to fit all that in, but possible with a little creativity. The G6 will give you all three, also. Olympus wouldn't do it because it might interfere with the retro styling. That's soooo important.

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Archiver
By Archiver (11 months ago)

Very interesting. If this is essentially an EM-5 without the EVF, I'll most likely get one. I barely use the EVF in my EM-5 as it is, and the EVF hump gets in the way sometimes.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Didn't you hear the other commenters? No EVF = No Sale. Say it with me, No EVF must = No Sale. Nobody could possibly ever want a camera to be modular in any way ever. They know best, you'll do well to remember that ;)

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kimchiflower
By kimchiflower (11 months ago)

Can I swap the cologne and white Sunday deck shoes for an EVF?

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Bahahaha! Hilarious! Oh wait, there is an EVF already... and look! There! There's another one! But that one is BUILT IN! Who would have thunk it?!

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Teru Kage
By Teru Kage (11 months ago)

Just my luck. I was holding off on getting the E-PL5 because of the lack of a built-in flash but I finally caved in and bought one 2 months ago. And now here comes the E-P5 with built-in flash and wi-fi...

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

I'm so sorry. This must be very traumatic for you :(

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (11 months ago)

At least you've saved money as the E-P series is more expensive than the E-PL series.

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Teru Kage
By Teru Kage (11 months ago)

@abortabort Yes...I'm terribly vexed. I feel that the only way to fill this void is to throw insane amount of $$$ on Voigtlander lenses that I'll never use but look great sitting on the camera. :)

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Teru Kage
By Teru Kage (11 months ago)

All joking aside, even though it's a bit frustrating the the "perfect" PEN for me is coming out so soon after a recent purchase, I did get some really nice photos that I might have otherwise missed out on if I didn't have the E-PL5.

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Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (11 months ago)

Again, very retro looking.
If the new 5 axis IBIS is better, that would be truly remarkable.
The current IBIS works in so many situations more than standard IBIS and in-lens IS, that it is hard to say how extremely beneficial it is.
I know people that said they didn't need IS, and did a 180 after trying the E-M5.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (11 months ago)

So first I wake up inexplicably early this morning, and now it looks like my girlfriend has drugged my coffee.

I'm hallucinating that DPR have posted rumours and pictures of a camera they'll almost certainly have under NDA, if not today then a few days before it's release next week.

Are NDA's retroactive? Can you still sign them if you've done the D'd?

Can't wait for the drug to wear off and see what story I really posted this against.

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Looleylaylow
By Looleylaylow (11 months ago)

Agreed. What's up with the rumor-mongering? We have dedicated sites for that.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Their NDAs remain unaffected posting 'news' from another site repeating what is written on that site.

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steelhead3
By steelhead3 (11 months ago)

looks like a nex clone with a smaller sensor, sort of like a pentax Q

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Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (11 months ago)

Obviously you either have never seen a NEX or you are making this up. The 2 NEX style of bodies look completely different.

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wayfarers
By wayfarers (11 months ago)

Ah, NEX, which looks like PlayStation 3 clone, sort of like Sony Betamax pictures recording machine. Got it.

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techmine
By techmine (11 months ago)

LOL

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Managarm
By Managarm (11 months ago)

Whatever you take, take less of it...

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

@ Wayfarers... You know Beta formats are still used TODAY by, uhm, what's that word... Professionals! Right?

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (11 months ago)

Looks more like the E-P1, which pre-dates the NEX system by a year. I suppose you could say the NEXs are just Pen clones with slightly larger sensors.

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wayfarers
By wayfarers (11 months ago)

@abortabor - I think you may be referring to something a bit different: various professional digital Betacam systems. Today all of them are obsolete (even MPEG IMX and HDCAM), and to my best knowlege no new equipment is manufactured. But indeed some refused to die, and are still in (marginal) use by some TV stations.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

In my opinion it betters the E-M5 in terms of design, whilst retaining the Pen FT's styling cues. Plus it adds what appears to be the same exposure dials layout as the E-M5. Nice touch. The previous E-Ps had dual controls too, but the lower one was fiddly to reach.
I'm not really warming up to the tilting screen, but it should be useful for shooting at certain angles. I could do with an electronic viewfinder in the place of the flash, too, but after two years shooting with an E-P1 I became used to looking at the screen.
Most importantly, it will certainly have at least the same picture quality as the E-M5. Rumour has it that AF speed has been further improved, which must put it way above its competitors.
All in all, this is the first digital Pen that really made me consider replacing my E-P1. (I could do without the white shoes and the Acqua di Giò, though...)

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NZ Scott
By NZ Scott (11 months ago)

The camera looks fantastic and has many killer features - but without a built-in EVF I will not be upgrading from my E-P3.

Of course, it would be possible to attach a VF-4 to this camera, but then it would be bulkier and more expensive than an E-M5. I tried an E-M5 and loathed the ergonomics. Another option is the Panasonic GH3, but that camera is almost as big as a DSLR and for me that defeats the purpose of going mirrorless.

I guess I'll just have to keep waiting for the "perfect" M43 camera. This E-P5 is close but no cigar.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

I don't get it? Your E-P3 doesn't have an EVF either - you are aware of this right? You aren't just getting suckered into the hype machine of No EVF = No Sale right?

Anyway, O have the perfert camera for you. Size of an OM-D, but with FAR better ergonomics, built in EVF, much smaller than a GH3, built in WiFi, fully articulating screen, cheaper than the E-P5, about the price of an E-PL5.... IT'S THEEEEEEEEE Panasonic G6 everybodyyyyyyy.

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NZ Scott
By NZ Scott (11 months ago)

Of course I am aware that the E-P3 has no EVF - I own one.

I can live without the EVF, but I would prefer my next camera to have one.

I haven't tried the Panasonic G6 but I have tried the G3 and it felt too plasticky for me. Also, Panasonic cameras do not have IBIS and for that reason alone I tend to favour Olympus.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

from 43rumors

A source told me that the new E-P5 has an improved 5 axis stabilization. Compared to the E-M5 this means that it has a new IS-Auto mode that automatically detects the camera’s movements.
And here are some more E-P5 specs:

- 16 Megapixel sensor (same as E-M5)
- TruePic VI image processing engine
- improved AF (compared to E-M5)
- improved 5 axis stabilization
- 5fps
- focus peaking
- Shutter 1/8000 sec
- built-in WiFi
- 1.04 million dot tilting touchscreen LCD (no more OLED!).

announcement
- 1am on May 10 in New York City

17mm, 45mm and 75mm Black lens rumor

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (11 months ago)

It would be cool to have the original Pen shutter that synced at all shutter speeds up to 1/1000. It was some kind of funky focal plane shutter but it would sync at all speeds. We are a bit spoiled with the high speeds though.

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Dr Aref
By Dr Aref (11 months ago)

Good specs. But I would prefer a buily in viefinder rather than the flash. I am a candid shooter. Most of the pictures now I take with OM-D and Lumix 20mm F1.7 lens. The combination I carry in a small sling bag. With E-P5 it will be more compact

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Dr Aref
By Dr Aref (11 months ago)

My first camera was Olympus Pen EES-2, then Pen FT then all the way up to OM-4T. Just info for the readers, Pen-FT shutter speed was up to 1/500. It had side wise prism and had vertical running metal shutter (unbelievable for 1968) covering a smaller 18x24mm half frame. That is why they could sync all the way up to 1/500.

After film era I switched to Canon starting with G2, 30D then spanning till 5DII. I was not happy with noise of the early Oly sensors.
But the OM lenses were fabulous and still is. I regularly use them with Canon and OM-D. Specially the primes - 24mm F2.8, 35mm F2, 50mm F2 macro, 100mm F2 and 2.8. OM-D with OM Zuiko 50mm F2 macro and 100mm F2 produced spectacular results.

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DaytonR
By DaytonR (11 months ago)

It looks like a nice solid camera !

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wayfarers
By wayfarers (11 months ago)

It appears that Olympus did excellent job with E-P5: personal likes/dislikes aside from engineering point of view I can not fault this model :) Some additional (unconfirmed, of course!) details: body is not weather sealed, improved 5 axis stabilization, focus peeking (finally!). Tilting touchscreen is back to old and trusted LCD technology: the panel is improved, but it is LCD, it is NOT OLED! (OLED panels peculiarities: difficult to keep true colors and much shorter panel life).

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

It looks very similar to the EP-3, but with a tilt LCD. They just wrote "Olympus PEN" in all caps on as a nod to the original PEN.

The country club, polo shoes, cologne theme makes me NOT want to buy it at all. I cannot think of a more square marketing theme than "country club chic".

It's also not nearly as beautiful as the X100s, nor as small and utilitarian as the Ricoh GRD V. So I'm out, but I'm sure it will do well with m43 users.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

I don't think anyone expected you to wax lyrical about an Olympus m4/3 camera...

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NZ Scott
By NZ Scott (11 months ago)

It's odd to read comments from someone who is so fixated on marketing and appearances.

Of course the E-P5 looks similar to an E-P3. They are both E-Px PEN cameras.

What does the marketing campaign have to do with the abilities of the camera itself? Nothing, of course.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and beauty is irrelevant to the functioning of a camera.

Of course it's not as small as a Ricoh GRD V. The Rikoh is a fixed-lens compact! No interchangable-lens camera is as small as a compact.

Sheesh.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@ManuelVilardeMacedo Lot's of people say unexpected things on these forums. You, for example, are free to give your impressions of the camera. Someone above will give theirs. I gave mine.

@NZ Scott

How is one sentence about the country club still life "being fixated"? Did I say it had anything to do with the camera? Read all the comments below about "retro" styling and aesthetics. It't not like there are any specs to talk about.

Why do fans always expect others to like any camera they like? I have an E-PL5 it doesn't have a VF either. Why would I want this?

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MichaelKJ
By MichaelKJ (11 months ago)

I have my doubts about m43 users. I'm on my third mFT camera and don't think it makes much sense to own both the E-M5 and the E-P5. I prefer to shoot with an EVF and, after using the excellent VF-2 with the E-PL1, have no desire to own another camera with a removable EVF. This is clearly an excellent camera. However, I see it as appealing to a niche market and doubt it will sell that well. I think most E-M5 users are willing to wait for the next OM-D to enjoy the improvements that have been incorporated into the E-P5.

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wayfarers
By wayfarers (11 months ago)

As opposed to this style of advertising?
"Fujifilm X100 Black Premium... $500 more than the standard-issue variant... only 10,000 sets available worldwide".

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NZ Scott
By NZ Scott (11 months ago)

MichaelKJ: Yes, you are right. But unfortunately the ergonomics suck on the E-M5. Otherwise I would buy one myself.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

MichaelKJ, it will sell at least as well as the E-P1, E-P2 and E-P3 did. And yes, you're right - it makes no sense to have both the E-M5 and the E-P5. They're virtually the same camera, the OM-D adding an integrated viewfinder which may some find unnecessary.

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Seagull TLR
By Seagull TLR (11 months ago)

@marike6 Found any good chili recipes lately? :D

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (11 months ago)

Looks very cool. Wondering about its screen, and Weather Sealing, if its exist. Its a nice feature on OM-D in my opinion.

Olympus also gives chance people as

PRO´s : Use OM-D, enjoy the EVF and add your external flash !
Amateurs: Use PEN- P5, carry your Flash everywhere, enjoy the brightest screen with your finger tips.

Wondering about its prices and specs. It can be my first Interchangable Lens camera.

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MJ Jones
By MJ Jones (11 months ago)

Wondering as well about Olympus pricing.

In my country, Sony NEX-3N and Panasonic GF5 are priced below $500 like the original e-PM1 started at. But an e-PM2 is significantly more expensive. Yes, a "mere" 50% overpricing.

In fact an E-PM2 costs EVEN slightly more (around $40) than a NEX-5R ... which the E-PL5 should instead be competing with.The E-PL5 itself is around $80 dollars more than a Pana G5 which provides a built-in EVF and a fully tiltable Screen.

There's less than 200 dollars price diff between an E-PL5 and an E-M5, so not much room for the E-P5 price adjustment which will force Olympus to reduce the price of last year's PENs.

But I bet Oly will have lost the 2013 summer holiday sales opportunities before it does it and will have to wait until more or less Thanksgiving to aim at the next sizeable interest. It's pathetic because the cams are really nice. No wonder it's practically impossible to see them in stores here...

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wayfarers
By wayfarers (11 months ago)

No build in EVF keeps the cost down. For people who need it here is a new external VF-4 viewfinder which additionally can be angled and can be used by left eye photographers. Not sure that the E-P5 has WiFi: pictures do not show "WiFi" logo, and the body is covered by metal skin (in all cameras with WiFi some external panels have to be plastic, as for example in Sony NEX 6).

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (11 months ago)

If instead of the flash had a EVF would have been a killer

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (11 months ago)

Why no built in EVF? The NEX-6 can manage to squeeze in a hi-res EVF in about the same body size. Good to see the tilting screen though.

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Cane
By Cane (11 months ago)

Why does making a camera look like a fake retro 1960's knockoff hailed as beautiful? So you want your HD tv to come in an oak cabinet?

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Draek
By Draek (11 months ago)

Because cameras back in the '60s and '70s were beautiful. You see the same thing with fountain pens, which aesthetically resemble century-old designs much more than they do a cheap Bic pen.

It might come as a shock to the Apple generation, but not everyone is crazy about rounded corners and smooth surfaces everywhere. An aesthetic, if I might add, that also originated back in the '60s, it just didn't catch popularity 'til last decade.

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (11 months ago)

well that would be awesome :D at least oak framing. I always love leather, steel and wood (a hetchett could be a nice example)

i wish they will use more organic / renewable materials on consumer electronics. I hate cheapo plastic,.

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Michael Jardine
By Michael Jardine (11 months ago)

Have you ever bought a car before?

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Coliban
By Coliban (11 months ago)

@dreak,

I wonder how somebody has to associate "Apple" when there is a Diskussion about Photo gear ( apart from the fact, that you can ake photos with an iPhone).

I used to have, in the seventies, canons and nikons, later mamiya occasionally, but I can't see the connection between the old style cameras to a total new device like the smartphone. You cannot have one design for all devices on the world and you can't have the neo-look from Olympus for smartphones, toaster or tv or other gear. One should recognize, in my opinion that the classic design for a camera is timeless because, independent of the technic, humans have to look through something and operate cameras with their hands, so the classic camera look is something that applies even nowadays to cameras and optic gears. Whenever the apple design is something for a totally different purpose and there someone should not make dismissive comment on people who work with the sort of things, that help them best.

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ShatteredSky
By ShatteredSky (11 months ago)

What I don't get is why people tend to be so single-minded. I like both Apple's (current) design (clean lines, as in also RX100), and the likes of Fuji and Olympus. Heck, I even like some of the more svelte past and present DSLR designs (E-420, K5 anyone?). Though there are indeed some that do not work for me (purely esthetically of course), like the Samsung mirrorless.

Cheers

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Digitall
By Digitall (11 months ago)

Nice looking camera, for me, this is the real M43 concept, small, nimble with interchangeable lenses and nice features. Better than OMD design concept for M43 system. imo.

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Jim Evidon
By Jim Evidon (11 months ago)

Still no eye level finder either optical, EVF or hybrid. Therefore, not a serious camera for serious photographers. I'll stick to my OM-D and avoid the hand/arm shakes, thank you.

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whyamihere
By whyamihere (11 months ago)

I've been photographing with a GX1 for over a year, and I've never had a problem with 'hand/arm shakes'. Nobody should, assuming you know how to hold a camera and can lift and hold a few pounds of mass. Never really felt the need to buy a viewfinder for the thing, even after I bought a decent Nikon and Canon DSLR.

If you think every 'serious camera' needs an eye-level viewfinder, that just means you're incapable of adapting to different circumstances. Good photographers make do with what they have.

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (11 months ago)

Ummm, kind of talked yourself in a circle there and explained to yourself why there is no vf ...but you still don't get it, so I guess stick to your closed minded serious photographers world.

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (11 months ago)

"Good photographers make do with what they have".
Right. but having a choice, a good photographer will prefer to buy a camera with some kind of VF.
Uinless... wait.. if you will give a good photographer for free an E P5, then, yeah, he'll make do with it (but he would prefer you'd give him an E M-5 rather than the E P5 ).
Anyway, as a second camera the E P5 looks awsome.

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ANAYV
By ANAYV (11 months ago)

One fact we forget is, many older folk would need to hold camera at arms length, to actually 'see' the LCD, and sun glare, and unstable holding creates a reason for them to 'need' a EVF. Not about 'good photographer' or 'serious' photographer.

It's not about what is better. I'm only 47, but can use LCD 5 or 6 inches away, and have no real need for any type of EVF. (I used to wonder why anyone would hold camera at arms length...till I found out any closer, and the LCD is a blur...so for those folk, they 'need' EFV or they would't get the shots others can, using 2 eyes , just like they see the world now.)

I have good photo's taken at 600mm, handheld, and using LCD...no one here would claim ' non-serious user' , if they seen the photo's, but tell them I used LCD and....:)

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (11 months ago)

Weird. You don't see a lot of "rumors" on DPR. I suppose that means DPR has not got their hands on a copy already and signed an accompanying NDA?? Or is the public nature of this rumor at other locations a loophole for reposting the information???

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (11 months ago)

Like it or not (and you can guess my opinion) these leaks have become news, and we're a photography news site.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

But DPR has rarely if ever printed rumors so perhaps Angry is correct or else there has been a change in policy regarding camera rumors.

Personally I prefer to wait for release day to see a camera, when it's fun browse DPR and read specs. Now the camera is out of the bag.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

By DPreview posting on a current rumor...to me at least..is a confirmation of the rumor. wink wink nudge nudge! Thanks DPR!

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knize10
By knize10 (11 months ago)

A ''volontary'' market ploy leak for sure.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (11 months ago)

Interesting rumour.....but what about real news, ie, Hassleblad stopping making the 500 series after 50 years or so?.....

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

We'll always have the lovely Hasselblad Lunar...;)

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Aaron Tsuru
By Aaron Tsuru (11 months ago)

Oh how I love this retro design trend on great cameras!!! Your move dSLRs!!!

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

It's doubtful DSLR vendors are giving any thought to this new PEN model at all, let alone planning a next move.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

When they make a EVF that gives you a larger view than a mirror setup, has great response time, great quality, also get autofocus as good as DSLR..why would they not get rid of the noisy mirror. DSLR's as we know it will be dead in 3-4 years. (new gen of big cameras with no mirrors will emerge)

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naftade
By naftade (11 months ago)

Is that a BLACK 17mm 1.8 on this camera???
Guys, you really should get your color-policy in order. Other brands manage to come up with their lenses in two (in best cases even matching) colors at the same time, so why don't you?
And no, I do not want to pay extra for a certain color. Your glass isn't really cheap nonetheless.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

word is they will also make a black 75mm f1.8

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (11 months ago)

And a black 45mm f1.8. Word is also that they aren't limited like the 12mm.

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brelip
By brelip (11 months ago)

are we going to the good ol days when dpreview are posting rumors again? Thumb up for dpreview.

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (11 months ago)

Rumors on DPReview?

A new low!

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (11 months ago)

We've done it before. Our policy of never revealing information given to us under embargo has not changed.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

Although I still don't get the concept " pre-production". This used to be called prototype and it meant that nothing was guaranteed to be in the version a consumer could eventually buy.

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Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (11 months ago)

"We've done it before. Our policy of never revealing information given to us under embargo has not changed."

Who mentioned anything about embargo policy?
Please stay on topic.

Publishing rumors previously does not make it right.

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farrukh
By farrukh (11 months ago)

These photos are old, they were leaked yesterday, you guys are late with the news ;)

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

DPreview staff already have a sample but they cant say anything unless someone pulls the trigger first ;)

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chrisnfolsom
By chrisnfolsom (11 months ago)

GREAT!! Now no one will be surprised ;)

Btw - much more interested in the features than the rumor...

Also Dpreview - how about some articles on the technology - CCD, Processing, Compression, video, speed, viewfinders and such. Would be nice (in your spare time of course) to do "their" job and build the perfect camera - for different genre's of course.

I still believe a higher quality ccd can be pushed into one of these superzooms to get a bit better picture - use cropping or whatever - that compact panny 14-42 zoom is a nod in the right direction.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

You must be thinking of CMOS. Only a few leica, medium format, and compact cameras still use CCD.

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timo
By timo (11 months ago)

Why would anyone buy this and not go the whole hog with the OM-D?

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RezaTravilla
By RezaTravilla (11 months ago)

cheaper i think. Not weather sealed also right?

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (11 months ago)

Smaller too without the built-in EVF.

Some features are are more advanced on the E-P5 compared to the OM-D (AF, IBIS, max shutter speed, LCD, etc)

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