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Just posted: Nikon D5200 in-depth review

By dpreview staff on May 16, 2013 at 20:56 GMT
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We've just posted our 20-page review of the Nikon D5200. Nikon's 'advanced beginner' APS-C DSLR offers several features that should also appeal to enthusiasts, such as a 24MP CMOS sensor, a 39-point AF system inherited from the D7000 and an Auto ISO system linked to the focal length of the lens. Add an articulated rear LCD and the ability to output uncompressed video and you've got the makings of a very promising camera. Does the D5200 live up to its potential in real-world use? Click the links below to find out.

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sophi loren
By sophi loren (5 months ago)

I owned this Camera and this review helps me alot for purchasing nikon D5200. My husband recently post a article in squidoo about the experince of using this DSLR.

http://www.squidoo.com/nikon-d5200-best-buy-a-personal-review

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Lack78
By Lack78 (8 months ago)

Great review. Very indepth. I was really considering buying the D5200 but the price was too high for me, even though I really wanted it for it's high CMOS sensor. I went with the previous gen model instead, the D5100. I made a video review of the Nikon D5100 Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqW0emi50DA

Can anyone tell me if the HD video recording on the D5200 is much better than the D5100? I've heard I'm not missing too much.

Thanks,

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peevee1
By peevee1 (11 months ago)

Pretty poor review in the performance category - where are the tables with real speeds and buffer depths at various image settings (including auto compensations)? Where are tracking performance tests? Why even have a DSLR these days if not for sports/tracking, and you totally slack on testing its abilities in this department (instead wasting time on testing resolution which can be determined by sensor megapixels alone anyway on any Bayer-filtered sensor in comparison to any other Bayer-filtered sensor) - and this is probably the second most popular line of DSLRs after Canon Rebels.

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rusticus
By rusticus (11 months ago)

I'm not clear with the reviews -
the D5200 has 79, and the "E-PM2 without viewfinder, etc." 77 -
is  horrible

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lensberg
By lensberg (11 months ago)

Considering they share the same sensor & processor... why does the D7100 score slightly more than the D5200 in DPR's conclusion - category - RAW image quality...?

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Polyglot92
By Polyglot92 (11 months ago)

If, as it looks, they have been reviewed with different lenses, that could be part of the explanation. Unless I have overlooked something, it would be nice if DPR stated which lenses were used in each of their reviews.

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chj
By chj (7 months ago)

um, there's alot more to a camera than taking a shot of a stationary object and comparing the results. The 7100 has weather sealing, faster continuous shooting, faster buffer clearing, more autofocus points, ... It's a far better camera.

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Mahmoud Mousef
By Mahmoud Mousef (11 months ago)

Nikon,
Can you afford in-body pixel mapping for DSLRs?
It's 2013.

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Bram de Mooij
By Bram de Mooij (11 months ago)

I am really amazed at what the Android app DSLRdashboard can do with the wifi connection on my D5200 (and D600 , not tried yet).
So much better then Nikons own app. Also OTG cable /USB cable works fine with this app on my Nexus 7 tablet. I am happy now.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

The review is extremely misleading regarding the D5200's video quality. Video is dramatically improved over the D5100, yet surprisingly the D5200 and D5100 scores for video are identical. And the T3i / 600D scores significantly higher for video performance in spite of significant moire/aliasing, poor almost unusable AF and no HDMI-out. This is unfortunate.

Here is what EOSHD said about the D5200:

"The Nikon D5200 is the best mid-range Nikon yet for video. What is more of a surprise is the relish in which it takes on the much more expensive 5D Mark III, Panasonic GH3 and Nikon’s own flagship the D800 and D4."

He goes on to say "The D5200 is particularly welcome for budget shooters, since Canon have stagnated with their Rebel line. Now it is pay back time because the best selling DSLRs for video – the 7D, 60D and 650D – are firmly out-performed by the Nikon D5200. "

http://www.eoshd.com/content/9653/nikon-d5200-review

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

EOSHD is a clown. I don't take anything he says seriously. EOSHD is the guy who a few years ago was claiming that Canon T2i is just as good as Sony F3. which he proclaimed (at that time) was over priced. F3 was not even released then. He also has a habit of posting fake rumors. For previous NABs (2011 and 2012) he was predicting Panasonic would release update to AF100. A panasonic employee repeatedly asked him on his forum to stop posting such false rumors as these false rumors hurt AF100 sales. I was there. I watched that drama on his forum.

This NAB (2013) he claimed Panasonic would release update to GH3 at NAB (another false rumor).

EOSHD was also sued by Red for defamation

I hope you are not comparing credible review site like DPR with a clown like EOSHD

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

You are aware that DPR has incorporated EODHD content into camera reviews (see Canon 5D MK III review link below) and has plans to do the same in the future?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii/25

Oops. I bet you wish you could edit your previous post.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

I am absolutely aware and funny thing is that EOSHD part in the review is the worst highly opinionated diatribe part of the review.

If you want to see more balanced review of 5D Mark III, see Philip Bloom review,

https://vimeo.com/39292404

Philip Bloom (unlike EOSHD) is a real pro. EOSHD i(Andrew Reid ) actually is nobody. He is not a professional of any kind. He is just a guy with a website ... That's all

By the way, funny you didn't comment on what I said about EOSHD previous history (Canon T2i being just as good as Sony F3 acording to him, false rumors, annoyed Panasonic employee on his forum, sued by Red for defamation, etc. etc).

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Of course you miss the point again. DPR is happy with EOSHD's contribution because he's knows video, just like Philip Bloom. They both get production cameras to test, and publish side-by-side videos on their websites. If DPR didn't trust Andrew's opinion they would not use him, period.

If you want to name call, do it above in your own topic, not as a reply to mine. I'm just trying to provide useful info, stuff that DPR may have missed, for the others

Besides, it's all right there in the videos below. The D5100 would bever have performed the way the D5200 does in the below videos. Not even close. If you want to blindly accept that the D5100 and D5200 are equivalent in video image just because DPR says it's so, feel free.

GH3 vs D5200
https://vimeo.com/59832019

5D3 vs D5200
https://vimeo.com/60135187

I have no interest in debating this. Sorry.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

EOSHD is not a reliable source. Anyone who claims T2i is just as good as F3 (which EOSHD once did, before the cameras was even released) isn't a reliable source.

EOSHD usually reviews lowend stuff. He has never reviewed any professional video camera. Can you point to any of his professional shoots? I have never seen any.

How are you comparing someone like EOSHD (a random blogger) with Phillip Bloom?

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Surely you can type in eoshd.com in your browser. He's tested the Canon 1D C, BMCC, the 5DIII Magic Lantern RAW update, you name it he's shot with it. It's all there on his website.

But you are missing the point. The D5200 and T3i are separated by 1 point by DPR. So in spite of the:
* new sensor with over 3 EV better DR, color depth, high ISO
* New Toshiba 24 mp vs the same Canon 18 mp from 2010
* a 39 point AF system from the D7000
* no moire/aliasing in video mode, something has been a thorn in the side of Canon shooters
* uncompressed HDMI out
* usable AF Continuous in video mode

DPR readers are supposed to believe that the T3i and D5200 are essentially equivalent DSLRs, even when there are m43 cameras rated higher than the T3i on DxOMark?

If you want to accept this as fact because DPR says so, feel free.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

"He's tested the Canon 1D C, BMCC, the 5DIII Magic Lantern RAW update"

None of these are professional video cameras. Two of them ARE dslrs, and the third one is not even close to what can be called a professional video camera.

Also, I asked you to post what exactly he shot professionally -- for a job -- (even on low-end camera?). I have never seen anything.

Yes, D5200 has a better sensor (according to dxomark -- not everyone even believes in dxomark) than T3i, but the sensor alone doesn't make the camera. DPReview isn't reviewing sensors. They are reviewing the cameras.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

"Designed specifically for the unique demands of the motion picture industry, the Canon EOS 1D C..."

The EOS 1D C could not be a more professional camera.
It's a $12,000 4K video camera. Of course it's a professional video camera.

Stop wasting everybody's time because you don't understand the gear EOSHD is reviewing.

EOSHD has comparison between the:
* RED Epic vs Blackmagic Cinema Camera
* Phanton Flex
* Sony FS700
* Canon C300

All you need to do is browse the older entries.

But once again you are missing the point.

The D5200 has a significantly better sensor, and 39 point AF system from the D7000. To argue that those two things - IQ and AF system are only worth one point is ludicrous.

Anyway, nobody cares. This thread is already pushed down the front page by What the Duck news items. Convenient....

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

EOSHD is an amatuer. You have not given me a single example of what EOSHD has produced professionally.

You know what EOSHD does for living? He runs a web site. That's all. He is no Phillip Bloom (who worked for Sky for 17 years and has been freelance professional filmmaker for just as many years).

What exactly is EOSHD resume? He runs a website. That's all. Phillip Bloom thinks EOSHD is a clown. EOSHD got himself sued by Red for defamation, and he has a habit of posting false rumors.

As for 1Dc, it's a DSLR first ad film camera second. It records 8-bit video like other low-end cameras. It is not a professional video camera.

marike6 : "Anyway, nobody cares. This thread is already pushed down the front page by What the Duck news items. Convenient...."

Conspiracy theories! I knew you had issues, but now I know what you are: A Nikon fanboy. No wonder why you were constantly popping up in other non-Nikon cameras reviews criticizing those reviews for not being critical

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

You have no idea what you are talking about. None. You are just making the same points over and over again.

You seem to think attacking EOSHD is a replacement for actually contributing a relevant thought about any of these cameras. It is not.

DPR has used Andrew Reid for his expertise in the past, and plans to use him in the future. So obviously they don't share the same ridiculously negative and unfounded opinion of his contributions to video camera reviews.

As far as fanboys, I use cameras that I enjoy shooting with whether it's a K-30, GH2, X-Pro1 or D800. I had similar questions about DPRs review of the K-30 below. I couldn't care less if you think I'm a fanboy.

If you want to blindly accept everything that DPR writes in a review even when it directly contradicts logic or differs from other review sites, leave me the f out of it. Try thinking for yourself for a change. You might like it.

Lastly, get off my d...

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cmvsm
By cmvsm (11 months ago)

@ET2 - Andrew Reid specializes in DSLR video, which is effectively what his entire website is about, and why Dpreview is interested in his opinions. He doesn't look to be a professional film maker, but that is the beauty of the new breed of film makers, as they have the power of film making in a $700 camera, versus spending thousands on traditional equipment. You sound like you are not understanding the flexibility that DSLR film making is giving the industry and individuals alike.

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rb59020
By rb59020 (11 months ago)

Don't you get it? If your not Dino De Laurentiis or Marty Fricken Scorsese, you have no business reviewing, having or giving your opinion about the quality of video you are seeing with your own two eyes! Too funny!

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

"Andrew Reid specializes in DSLR video, which is effectively what his entire website is about, and why Dpreview is interested in his opinions."

Exactly, what he does for living is run a web site. There are others who specialize in DSLR videos but they do pro work with DSLRs too .. not just run a website.

And marike6 is a Nikon fanboy (regardless of what he said above). Looks like his poor fanboy feeling got hurt because DPR did not award his camera greatest thing since slice bread award

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@ET2
Don't own a D5200 or any APS-C DSLR and I certainly don't need DPR to spoon feed me information about any of these cameras.
Reviewers in all industries make mistakes, have biases, lack expertise in some segment of the market. This is precisely why DPR uses Andrew Reid from EOSHD or DxOMark to contribute to their reviews.

The D5200 is a far better video camera than the D5100 (it's not even close), in spite of DPRs equivalent rating of the two cameras. If you agree with their assessment regarding the D5100 and D5200 video capabilities you'd also be wrong. But nobody knows what you think because you're too busy with silly name calling like a schoolboy. Go out and take some pictures for your empty gallery, come back and contribute something other than name-calling, trashing others, and kissing DPR's behind...

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

D5100 is older camera. Time change and rating and expectation change with it. For example, DPR rate G1X and RX1 equal for lowlight score, even though we know that is not true. Do you see me whining about that? G1X is older and RX1 is newer and with time expectation changed. The rating system is just a "moment in time". Thats all. They are not to be taken as some scientific infallible system.

The fact is that you are just a Nikon fanboy who has been spamming this review for a while now. D5200 has pros and cons. All of them are detailed in the review. According to reviewers it gets Silver when all pros and cons are considered.

Grow up

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@ET2

You grow the f up. You're the one embarrassing yourself calling people "clown" and "amateur" in spite of the fact that DPR has hired EOSHD. Oops. Bet you'd like to have that one back.

I'm just trying to start a discussion about the review to which you've contributed zero except flaming me and EOSHD.

This topic has gone on long enough. Go take some photos. I've already asked you nicely to get off my back. I'm not going to say it again.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

I am entitled to my opinion. EOSHD is the guy with a history. That is, he once claimed Canon T2i is just as good as F3. That is, posting false rumors and annoying Panasonic employees. That is, getting sued by Red for defamation. He runs a web site. That's all. He is not a pro film maker like Philp Bloom. I don't take the guy seriously.

As for you, we know you are a Nikon fan who is all upset because DPR didn't proclaim a Nikon camera the greatest thing since slice of bread. The reviewers are entitled to their opinion. They used the camera and gave it a fair review

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Dude, nobody cares what you think of EOSHD.

Let it go...

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cmvsm
By cmvsm (11 months ago)

@ET2 - I'm not sure why you keep putting so much stock into the Red.com lawsuit against Reid, as it was dismissed. That means that there was not enough evidence to support the case. I don't think that Reid claims to be a Pro film maker. As I said before, he specializes in DSLR video. Seems as if you don't know the difference yourself. And, at the end of the day, one thing is for sure. You knew who Reid was because of his blog, but doubtful he knows who you are. From visiting his site, he seems to be very interactive, posting different articles almost every day. That takes a lot of work to keep that going on a regular basis, and that's something that I'm very familiar with. Maybe that's where your insecurity comes from? Either way, who cares? Move on with your life.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

EOSHD definitely knows who I am because he tried to ban me on his forum (unsuccessfully) after I pointed out that no one should take his 2013 GH3 update at NAB seriously as his previous rumors (2011, 20102) were all false too. I also reminded him about his last two year false rumors and Panasonic employee drama on his forum. She was real mad because he was posting false rumors.

Guess what? I was right. This year rumor were false again. No GH3 update at NAB.

He deleted my posts and tried to ban me (without success) . Boo hoo

So yes .. he knows who I am

He is a hypester. See all the hype he is generating about MK III raw even though there are some serious issues (card issues, 30 minute to just convert 1 minute video etc etc). A day or two ago he was trying to mock Phillp Blom on twitter for not drinking his raw coolaid.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

All these personal attacks against EOSHD kind of miss the point. He more than backs up his claims with side-by-side videos:

D5200 vs 5D III Shootout
https://vimeo.com/60135187

D5200 vs GH3 Shootout
https://vimeo.com/59832019

In both of these videos the D5200 either outperforms or hold it's own the two more expensive cameras. Yet DPR because of lack of attention, failure to test, or lack of expertise, rated the very mediocre for video D5100 the same as the D5200, and the moire monster T3i / 600D significantly better than the D5200 for video.

Silly rants against Reid aside, he tests these cameras, and is not just talk as he posts videos for all his readers to watch. The fact that he's not a DP or Cinematographer is meaningless. Are DPR reviewers professional photographers? Of course not.

Anyway, this topic has gotten far off track on personal nonsense. Point is if DPR wants to create a database of reviews for users, they should be a bit more careful with their tests, IMHO.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

I will take DPR over EOSHD anyday, and 60i, no live aperture control are reason enough to rate the video lower than the competition.

There are better cameras for shooting video, including cameras with continuous AF which may not be needed by pros, but it's needed for general consumer market that this camera is aimed.

It's not a good camera for shooting video for general consumers (the intended market)

I would say DPR were too generous if anything

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

All Nikons expect the D800 and D4 have the aperture locked in LiveView for video so I'm not sure why DPR would expect an entry level Nikon to have aperture control in video mode. Beginners and general public (the so-called target market) will let the camera choose the aperture and shutter speed in Full Auto.

Most videographers will know to use AIS or AF-D Nikkors or the Samyang or Zeiss lenses with mechanical apertures.

But this is a far better video camera than the D5100 and the Canons for people who care about IQ (moire, aliasing and low-light shooting). If my D800 had no moire or aliasing like the D5200 I'd be jumping for joy.

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

I briefly had a D5100 and got interested by the comments here and decided check out using the DP image comparison tool. Indeed, it seems soft in comparison to most camera eg K30, XE-1, Nex 7 and even the E-M5.

The K30 is holds up (beats both D7100 and D5100) really well and even the E-M5 clearly looks sharper in comparison for both jpeg and RAW up to iso3200. I think what fails it may just be the 50mm F1.4 lens.

I wonder what will it look like using a dedicated macro lens like the 40 f2.8 or sigmas 105mm f2.8?

Interestingly, NEX 7 seems to stand out especially in the RAW department. It may just be the king of APS-C in terms of resolution and IQ

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Not sure what you are seeing, but in RAW (ignore JPEGs as all vendors have different default sharpening levels) the D5100, D5200, D7100 are all about as sharp as you can get. But it can be tricky to compare 16 mp vs 24 mp cameras at pixel level.

The K30 and X-E1 are excellent cameras but seem slightly softer than the above Nikons (ACR is not great with X-E1 RAF files). The NEX-7 has more contrast, and higher black level, but arguably the same level of sharpness/detail as the Nikons. The problem is the NEX-7 has significantly more chroma noise than any of the 3 Nikons past ISO 400-800.

Agree that with the DPR comparison, ALL cameras should use similar quality optics. A macro lens will always more flatness of field, better corners and overall more acutance.

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

Just seeing what DPreview has in their comparison tool, nothing more. And I was surprise Nex 7 is doing so well with it's 50 f1.8

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kecajkerugo
By kecajkerugo (11 months ago)

the OM-D, Nex-7 and even the K-30 are higher spec cameras therefore it is not surprise that the outcome from them will be better. This Nikon is yet another more refined enthusiast DSLR...for those who like that style of cameras. To me such cameras will sooner or later be replaced by the mirror less stuff.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@kecajkerugo wrote "To me such cameras will sooner or later be replaced by the mirror less stuff."

DSLRs outsell mirrorless cameras by 3-to-1 or more. There is no comparison as far a popularity. Each of the D3100, D5100 or T3i outsell both the NEX-7 and OMD combined. In fact there is not a single mirrorless camera that sells anywhere near what a D3100 or T3i sells. We keep hearing about the death of DSLRs, but it's the mirrorless vendors like Sony and Olympus that are in trouble, not Canon or Nikon.

As far as IQ, the D5200 has better all around IQ (DR, color depth, high ISO) than any of three of the cameras you listed. The D5200 has class leading IQ, virtually identical the Nikon D7100.

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Boris
By Boris (11 months ago)

I own the D5100,Nex7, Pentax K5 and the EM5. The D5100 bests these other cameras in C-AF/focus tracking....it works!

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

If all round IQ excludes sharpness and clarity, the D5200 or D7100 may be the best. But for me, I look for clarity, contrast and sharpness over high iso noise in IQ, so what DPReview comparison tool show is D5200 or D7100 clearly can't beat Nex 7, K30, E-M5 or GH3 flat out. It wins some (hi-iso) and loses some.

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vijustlove
By vijustlove (11 months ago)

It will take in someone period maybe, we can do just to look forward for them.

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Justin Francis
By Justin Francis (11 months ago)

Why in the world would anyone get the D7100? Maybe 2% might need the extra features in the D7100.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

Maybe for the decent viewfinder. Why Canon and Nikon insist on using small dim pentamirror viewfinders on such otherwise capable cameras is beyond me. Leave that for the entry-level model, and give this step-up model a decent vf (and a touchscreen. Pentax manages to give the K30 a good vf, and it's still cheap and small.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

As MarkInSF says, for the larger Pentaprism finder. But also for the more robust build quality, magnesium alloy vs plastic, and also for the better handling (cameras like the D5200 and T4i are almost too small to balance properly with some of the larger lenses like the f2.8 zooms.

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rb59020
By rb59020 (11 months ago)

I have big hands, I came from a D200 to the 5200, I bought a battery grip for $25 on a well known auction site, plus I added a Camdapter ProStrap, works great.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (11 months ago)

For me the 100% coverage viewfinder with it's new, better display and the better controls would be more than enough reason to spend the extra for the D7100.

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mumintroll
By mumintroll (11 months ago)

rb59020
I'm same. I have D200 and I need upgrade. I'm wondering between D5200 and D7100. Thank you for your inputs. Probably I will wait till D7100 goes down in price a little bit.

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JakeB
By JakeB (11 months ago)

Thanks for that figure straight from your ass.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (11 months ago)

Sub command dial and flash with commander mode is what makes the decision clear, in my view, for advanced amateurs.

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cmvsm
By cmvsm (11 months ago)

Wireless triggers operate more effectively than Commander mode, and can be had for about $30. Two command dials are certainly more convenient, but not a deal breaker. The D5200 actually has things laid out very nicely where access is easier than cameras of the past.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

Maybe the problem is that camera manufacturers, in order to differentiate themselves and their cameras, break outside the preconceived categories.

Yet, reviewers like the DPR try to put them inside some categories, for users to "compare easier". They believe they make user's life easier then.

Which may not be the case, despite good intentions. Therefore so much mismatch and confusion in "compared to ...".

I personally thing it is best if users take their freedom back, and evaluate every camera as a standalone product in the scope of the same system, *not* across systems.

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Underdog 3000
By Underdog 3000 (11 months ago)

I didn't expect anything else. I was trying to be polite as to the timeliness of the review. Most of it was done with the original K-7

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roustabout66
By roustabout66 (11 months ago)

So we do not have an answer for why MLU is not used with Canon tests when it increases apparent sharpness? As far as I know you have to go all the way to the 7100 class of Nikon to get a true MLU which can be used for shooting. If it is a feature Canon includes why not show it? Why penalize them?

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Josh152
By Josh152 (11 months ago)

Actually the D5200s live view mode also functions as a mirror lock up mode.

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roustabout66
By roustabout66 (11 months ago)

Not a true MLU.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

You can use delayed shutter (1 sec or so). Works reasonably well on most Nikon cams that dont have MLU (or even with those which have). Im using it with timed shutter.

Better than nothing. But ofc regular MLU is much better option than any workaroudn. As its usually with any workaround.

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Davidfstop
By Davidfstop (11 months ago)

'scuse me!

After the review of the D7100, and the amount of comments made about the non Nikon and Non Canon products being given a back heel, in preference to canonikon products, I kind of expected some redress of parity from DPreview.

Whinge aside, (I'm a Pentaxion ;-) this does look like a good product. If it had weather sealing as well, it would be exceptional.

I woud see the articulated screen as a bonus, but not touch screen,

If I didn't already have some good Pentax glass, it would certainly turn my head.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

"D7100, and the amount of comments made about the non Nikon and Non Canon products being given a back heel, "

Which of course is not true either. See D7000 review. V1/J1 review. 650D review

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Dave C 150
By Dave C 150 (11 months ago)

Looking at those tests, considering they have praised high ISO performance - they don't look anything like as good as the Pentax K-30 in their own comparisons. Perhaps they consider the K-30 in a higher user/price bracket?

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

The K30 could hardly be considered in a higher price bracket. It can be had for $600 with its cheapest kit zoom. Another hundred for a water-repellant one (which is more honest than 'weatherproof').

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rallyfan
By rallyfan (11 months ago)

The only place where the K30 does not lead the class is video. If that is a secondary or tertiary concern and the buyer is starting from scratch (no lenses for another maker preexisting and no other bodies etc.) then the Pentax is in my view a very good deal right now. Very competent and I liked the ergonomics -- something I did not expect.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

The one question I have is why does everyone denigrate articulated LED screens like they are only for video shooters and amateurs?
It is a truth oft repeated that all the really good photographs exist at very awkward angles; greatness can only be achieved when the camera is either too high, too low, too sideways, but definitely not at normal eye level 1.5 meters above the ground.
So why the hating of a feature that makes it easier to stand out from the mediocre photos crowd?
Is it that people are too inhibited artistically to look beyond their normal field of view? Are they afraid that using unique and compelling angles would make them look foolish to their peers? Are they ashamed of producing something truly beautiful?

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miketala
By miketala (11 months ago)

I agree, and the believe the same goes of touch screens. Touch screens and articulated screens can be powerful tools.

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Hibolta
By Hibolta (11 months ago)

I couldn't agree more. I once had a Sony SLT A33 and loved the articulated screen. I miss it on ny Canon 5D Classic now. Those screen are a great ergonomic improvement sometimes.

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Macx
By Macx (11 months ago)

I usually prefer a viewfinder, but for tripod work, it's often a godsend with a good tiltable/swivelable display

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kadardr
By kadardr (11 months ago)

+1, fully articulated touchscreen (could be bigger than 3"), and no EVF is necessary (or even OVF)

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Polyglot92
By Polyglot92 (11 months ago)

Personally I am a big fan of articlulated screens for both photo and video. Many people are unconvinced simply because they haven't understood that an articulated screen offers additonal possibilities with absolutely no drawback since these days there is no significant risk of failure, and a theoretical such risk is offset by the better protection of the screen turned inwards when not it use. Of course, if live view was faster and therefore more usable for photography, that would go a long way in making articulated screens more obviously compelling on DSLRS, as they are on mirrorless and super zoom cameras..

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h2k
By h2k (11 months ago)

Agreed. I moved to digital just because i could get live view on an articulated monitor, giving me lots and lots of new perspectives and with a 100 per cent coverage at that. That was in 2002 with the Powershot G3. Haven't squeezed a view finder to my face any time since.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

Articulated LCD with combination of LV or even focus peaking is one of best "inventions". One thing that I think a lot of Olympus and later Panasonic loved about their cams.

I dont think its for amateurs, great thing for macro shots for example, or when you want "from ground" perspective. Certainly more comfortable than lying on ground or using angle finders.

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cmvsm
By cmvsm (11 months ago)

Articulated screens should be on EVERY Nikon made. I can't understand why they are not. It opens up creativity to a whole new dimension for stills and video.

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Robert Eckerlin
By Robert Eckerlin (11 months ago)

Its my impression, that the articulated screen of the 5100 will be the reason why I will finally buy a 5200 (or in around two years a 5300?) instead of the 7100 that I would have bought, if it had an articulated screen.

Notice however that for me an articulated screen is in no way a replacement for a good OVF....I will not buy a camera that has no OVF (the possible exception being a camera with a excellent EVF - I have not yet any experience with the best available EVFs)

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Jon Holstein
By Jon Holstein (9 months ago)

At least the D7100 should have had a tilting display.
Wuth just a static screen, D7100 feels more like a side model to D5200, with some plusses and some minuses, than a higher end model.
Nikon made it uneccessarly hard to choose between them both... higher end models should really have everything the lower end model has, except perhaps for some scenes or other features more geared toward newcommers.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

There is something strange a mid range camera with class leading IQ / video quality (D5200 is highest rated crop sensor camera on DxOMark, ever), or an absolutely loaded DSLR like the K-30 (100% Pentaprism VF, 16 mp Exmor sensor, weather sealing) being essentially rated as "Mediocre" by DPR.

What is DPR going to do when it reviews the Canon T5i / 700D, which has essentially the same IQ of the T2i / 550D released 2010? A Bronze Award? Or a Silver Award because it has a touch screen?

If DSLRs of the same class are to be judged by price/performance, you'd think that huge improvements in IQ and video (as we see with the D5200) or top end features like a bright 100% Pentaprism VF or weather sealing (like with the K-30) would put these two cameras at the very top of the low to mid-range of DSLRs. But for some odd reason they are not.

Fortunately most users are smart enough to do their own research and don't rely solely on one review site for answers.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (11 months ago)

The Award Medal Color doesn't matter. What matters is that DPR's reviews are extremely detailed, so you have enough information to determine what's best for you.

12 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (11 months ago)

Erm, where do they describe it as "mediocre"?

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (11 months ago)

@Hugo808,

That would be in marike6's mind, where the rest of the post originated. But, you misquoted him. He wrote, "Mediocre", with a capital "M".

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

DPR covered the pro and cons thoroughly with these cameras. Read the reviews. These fanboys get really annoying

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AllOtherNamesTaken
By AllOtherNamesTaken (11 months ago)

I tend to agree, lowering a rating due to lack of touch screen seems silly. If the T5i gets a Silver as wel with it's 5-7 year old sensor techl, you know the rating scheme is BS. In general, the rating scheme is inconsistent and pointless. I think most people just skip to the conclusion or use the image comparison tool. I also wouldn't be surprised if they are offered money in return for certain ratings.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

marike6 likes to harp a lot about dxomark, but D5200 scored like 84 points. There are like dozen cameras on Dxomark that score within 5 points of that score. 5 points on dxomark is only 1/3 stops. The image quality differences isn't as big in practical term.

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Revenant
By Revenant (11 months ago)

K-30 got 78% and a silver award, while D5200 got 79% and a silver award. In the DPR scoring system, 71-80% translates as "Very Good to Excellent". How is that mediocre?
Furthermore, the awards are unrelated to the scores, but are given to cameras that the reviewers think deserve a special mention, for one reason or another. Again, how is that interpreted as mediocre?

There's much more to a camera than just a sensor. The camera with the best sensor (as tested by DxOMark) isn't necessarily the best camera all things considered.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

Why not concentrate on what the camera can do for you, whether it meets your needs, instead of worrying about fairness and rating points? This is like sitting in an airport and when they call the Platinum, Diamond and Gold members to board everybody gets up. It doesn't mean anything.

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Dave C 150
By Dave C 150 (11 months ago)

Well said. Also I noticed the K-30 was much better in their ISO comparison charts which seemed odd as they were saying it was the best they had seen but clearly inferior in their test charts?

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

If I were buying an entry-level dslr I'd have a very hard time not buying a K30. It offers an awful lot for the money. It's main disadvantage is a lack of high-end and specialty lenses, but no one buys a $500 camera to use with $2000 lenses. For under $1000 you can get a K30 and two mundane zooms covering the most used focal lengths, or one water-repellant lens covering somewhat less range. Plenty good enough for people with modest budgets.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@justMe wrote: "The Award Medal Color doesn't matter".

Of course the medal color matters, which is why cameras being sold on Amazon are now using DPR Gold Award in their camera's ad.

The point is the rating system misrepresents two top entry level DSLRs. The only time people on DPR pay attention is if a camera gets Gold Award, and nobody reads the percentage so you have the D3200, D5200,K30, and T3i all lumped together as Silver Award winning cameras (read: mediocre, average).

Name me one Entry Level DSLR with a Gold Award?

The point is an entry level DSLRs must be judged in their own category, not against MILCs (see LiveView AF speed) or Pro DSLRs (changing aperture in LV) or a high end Hybrid (video features vs GH3). For entry level DSLRs, the K30 and D5200 are two of the best made period, but DPRs rating system misrepresents that fact.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

marike6 : "Name me one Entry Level DSLR with a Gold Award?"

A57

"For entry level DSLRs, the K30 and D5200 are two of the best made period"

That's your OPINION, not a fact. Read the reviews. The cons with both cameras are listed

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@ET2

An EVF like in the A57 is nowhere near as nice to use as a 100% Pentaprism OVF like in the K30. Because DPR says so, does not make it the case. Learn to think for yourself.

Anyway, I have no interest in debating this with you. You'll notice I replied to justMe.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

Again you are posting your opinion as fact. D5200 actually has a pathetic OVF.

You are all over the place in these comments, and you are a pathetic Nikon fanboy. Grow up. DPR reviewers are entitled to their opinion.

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rallyfan
By rallyfan (11 months ago)

I don't feel it's realistic to expect DPR to award anything less than a silver to any Canon DSLR.

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Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (11 months ago)

Too many limitations on these Nikon cameras some of which are quite important.
No Auto FP/HSS, no wireless flash, no DOF preview and basic live view mode.
It's also a shame about the small viewfinder..no in body AF motor and limited metering support on older lenses

No progress has been made on entry level Nikon's for years. Someone should tell Nikon it's 2013 not 1993 budget 35mm film SLR era.

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io_bg
By io_bg (11 months ago)

They have to differentiate lower and higher class cameras, you know? If you want these extras you could get a D7100.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (11 months ago)

When I started to read your message I thought you were being serious. IF there is one company that constantly clearly upgradesits next model, to me it is Nikon. And no: I do not use Nikons.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (11 months ago)

Barry,
it's called product segmentation.
But I assume you know this.
If Nikon had all those features including the 24 meg sensor then there would be no need for the D7100.
The person buying this camera is most likely starting with the kit lens and will be probably be upgrading to the 55-300 or 70-300 in the future, both of which do not pose a problem to D5200 users.

The use of older lenses is great if you have some very high end lenses from a previous camera, but if you own high end lenses, the D5200 is probably not for you. Nikon currently has a plethora of consumer grade lenses at pretty reasonable prices that out perform all of the older consumer lenses...50 1.8g, 28 1.8g, 35 1.8g, 16-85g.

As far as limited wireless flash, this is another high end feature to differentiate the lineup.

I'm sure Nikon knows what year it is, and the camera performs as well and in some cases better than it's competition (High ISO, Dynamic Range, resolution)...

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

For wireless flash - Command Mode as it's called on the Nikons the far better option is to simply purchase a wireless trigger. I use a set of Yongnuo RF-603Ns. They work wonderfully, were only about $30, and there's no need to fire your built-in flash like in Commander Mode.

As far as progress, if consistently having class leading IQ, i.e. D5100, D5200, in inexpensive bodies isn't progress, I don't know what is.

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Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (11 months ago)

A few points.
Wireless flash isn't a high end feature it's on every other makers model range in this price segment. I have 35mm film SLR's that have it.
Auto FP/HSS is standard on every DSLR regardless of price across all the other makers.

I understand that you need to differentiate between models, but this is 2013 time has moved on and it's expected now. I'd take those 2 over the 39 point AF system that's for certain.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

@marike6 Don't be so down on wireless flash. On my D7000 it works like magic and the exposure accuracy is breathtaking. And when it stumbles, you can manually control speedlights in 1/3 stop increments from your camera. It doesn't work too well in broad daylight, but it works with umbrellas and softboxes as well as behind big silks. The only other thing you need is the $15 SG-31R IR Panel which shields your subject from direct flash.

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VidJa
By VidJa (11 months ago)

I would be a potential buyer of both the D5200 or the D7100. But......Nikon, please understand. I want either a focus motor in the D5200 or an articulated screen on the D7100.

Oh marketing guys, just as you did with the D800, please give us two versions, the D7100 for all people that think articulated screens are for noobs and the D7100a with a nice articulated screen. Oh and while you are at it. please include all the other software features everybody is requesting. Maybe, just maybe more people will buy your otherwise really nice cams

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

marike6 likes to harp a lot about dxomark, but D5200 scored like 84 points. There are like dozen cameras on Dxomark that score within 5 points of that score

5 points on dxomark is only 1/3 stops.

The image quality "progress" isn't big compared to 3 years old cameras. The real jump was the 16 MP sensor

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (11 months ago)

You could try a Nikon D90, or a Nikon D7100 or a Pentax K-r. ;)

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Spectro
By Spectro (11 months ago)

"no DOF preview"

are you even an experience photographer, what a joke. This is a gimmick and is pointless in the dsr era. Take a picture and review it on liveview. I have programmed my DoF buttons to something else on my last two cameras.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

Oh. Why don't they make one camera with everything. Wait, I think they do (close enough), but it's not an entry-level model. There are features they shouldn't have left off (pentaprism vf, touchscreen, better menus) but they're features even a beginner needs, not an AF motor and advanced flash capability. Those are properly reserved for more advanced models. Nikon should get a few demerits, but for omitting basic features that belong on a camera of this sort.

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Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (11 months ago)

DOF preview is quite useful and even more so in live view. Oh wait Nikon's live view can't stop the aperture down you have to leave the live view mode and set it before hand.

DOF preview isn't a gimmick it's actually quite useful. But as it stands the stand out worst element is the lack of HSS/Auto FP, even a top end flash gun and you have no chance of using faster shutter speeds, you'll have to buy ND filters to get there.

Wireless flash isn't advanced it's been around since 1994 from Minolta, fast forward 20 years and Nikon are still leaving it off their 2 entry models.

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Plasmoic
By Plasmoic (11 months ago)

This is from K-30'review :"K-30 still produces very good detail and makes up for it with arguably the best high ISO performance in its class "

and this is from 5200's:"At high ISO sensitivities, the noise performance of the D5200 is the best that we've seen from a DSLR at this price point."

as a potential buyer, I thiink that the vague point here is "class"...if it includes only the most recent cameras, then this class will consist of only 2-3 cameras...if on the other hand it includes a bit older ones too, then the above statements start to look confusing...
so which one?

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dual12
By dual12 (11 months ago)

I advise looking at the high ISO samples and deciding for yourself.

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (11 months ago)

Confusing if you just think just on ISO performance. Confusion disapear if you think in general performance of each camera.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (11 months ago)

The reviews were done at different times.

I don't see what's confusing.

I mean, if dpreview criticizes the price of the recently released Olympus E-P5 (and they might), do you dig up dpreview's praise of the $2,000+ price tag for a Nikon D100 in 2001 and say, "Look! dpreview is inconsistent! Here they are happy with $2,100 for a 6 Mp camera, and look what they say about the E-P5."

Most of dpreview's reviews have an innovative feature, which you'll find just beneath the name of the camera on the first page. It consists of the month and the year, and is customarily known as the "date".

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Dave C 150
By Dave C 150 (11 months ago)

What seems even odder if you choose K-30 in the comparison charts and compare noise the K-30 appears to win hands down right across all values.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (11 months ago)

Minor physical differences aside, I wonder if someone is going to issue a hack of the D3200 so it also does things that are in the d5200, like bracketing for example, which is purely a software decision - same production cost, but big selling price difference.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (11 months ago)

Software doesn't cost? It develops itself for free? Nice.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Does the D3200 use that new Toshiba sensor?

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Joseph S Wisniewski
By Joseph S Wisniewski (11 months ago)

"defeaturing" generally costs more. You have more configurations to validate, and more complicated builds.

But to address Mr. Horton's question, not likely. The toolchain you need to hack Nikon cameras is complex, and the hacking community is small.

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mosswings
By mosswings (11 months ago)

The D3200 uses a Sony manufactured sensor designed by Nikon. It also records RAW only in 12 bit mode, whereas the D5200 and D7100 record in 14 bit. As well as use a Toshiba sensor.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

D3200 does not use Sony sensor. The sensor is physically smaller and looks totally different too

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mosswings
By mosswings (11 months ago)

The actual fabber for the D3200 sensor may still be in question, but it's definitely not the sensor that went into the D5200/7100. It doesn't appear to be an EXMOR architecture sensor.

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thomas2279f
By thomas2279f (11 months ago)

Good review ; but can you give ABP / estimate if you're planning to do review of the Canon 1D-x & Nikon D4, some of us may want to upgrade to these cameras from a DX model like a D300s, 7D, etc and would like to review how good / bad these cameras are.

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KerryBE
By KerryBE (11 months ago)

I would be nice to have them available in the studio comparison tool at least.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

What is an ABP/estimate?

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KW Phua
By KW Phua (11 months ago)

MP increase still good in hi ISO. Well down Nikon.

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DELETED88781
By DELETED88781 (11 months ago)

why class leading high noise performance to the D5200 and not the D7100?

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ruicarv79
By ruicarv79 (11 months ago)

Because D7100 belongs to a different class, dah! :)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

ruicarv79:

Except I have raws from both, and they're pretty nearly the same for noise control, and then they probably use the same Toshiba sensor.

Neither the D5200 nor the D7100 has a particularly fast buffer, albeit the one in the D7100 is a bit faster, so that's an odd definition of "class leading". And an excuse for Nikon to release another camera with the same sensor and better buffer.

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ruicarv79
By ruicarv79 (11 months ago)

Dear HowboutRAW, I'm not comparing D5200 and D7100. I don't have both cameras so I cannot compare. I'm just explaining the reason why DPreview has classified D5200 has class leading high noise performance.
D5200 is leader in its class called "advanced beginner".
And D7100 is leader in its own class called "enthusiast-targeted".
Different classes, understand?
It was DPreview who created these classes, not me. :)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

ruicarv79:

To be honest I don't pay attention to class boundaries.

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RStyga
By RStyga (11 months ago)

Lack of AF micro adjustment in a 2013 DSLR model???

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io_bg
By io_bg (11 months ago)

yes, on a beginner-level body.

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ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (11 months ago)

very strange, and disappointing...AF fine tuning is a must! ... even my nex-5N has it!

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mosswings
By mosswings (11 months ago)

Why would a mirrorless camera need AF micro adjustment at all? There's no separate optical path for the focus module.

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mosswings
By mosswings (11 months ago)

In answer to my own question: AF microadjust is provided for the alpha mount lens adaptor, which includes its own PDAF module. If you're using E-mount lenses none is required. But it's not featured on the NEX-3 series - only the higher end bodies. Still, given that the NEX-5 is roughly comparable to the D5200 in the NEX lineup, this is a miserly omission on the part of Nikon; high resolution sensors with PDAF need this function. Many photogs using fast glass will be using this body, not just upgrading point and shooters with only low-end slow glass in their kits.

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FTW
By FTW (11 months ago)

When does DPR changes it's page setup. When I press "read the review, i find back on this page, and when I press the red review rectangle, I end on a page with dozen of pages of different reviews. All you, that live in Europe or US, do not imagine how funny this is when you need often 3 to 5 minutes to open a page. In the jungle there is no 10 mb/second internet. So, I would like to see a direct to review or preview link. Opening 3 pages to end where i want, makes me lose 10 minutes of time and often I resign when Internet speed is at lowest.
I have mentioned this often before and many have agreed with me on this level. DPR is like Lightroom, it needs 5 corners to turn around befgore you get what you want

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Seagull TLR
By Seagull TLR (11 months ago)

<When I read the review, i find back on this page...> It works fine for me.

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

I said the same many time too. FTW and me live in the same place and dive resort on a coral reef in the Philippines, we have eternal problems with slow wireless Internet connection, and surfing is sometimes a real torture here. For us, as for many others worldwide, direct links to the preview would make sense and help us to see what we intend to see at first.

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

@ seagull, this is not the review page, you find back on this page and you have to press the link "Read our 20 page review of the Nikon D5200", to end on the review, this is the comment and presentation page only. The review is one more page to open. So, you start on DPR main page, there you see the review is posted, then you end on this page to find the final link to the review, that is nonsense. WHY not right away to the review page????

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Seagull TLR
By Seagull TLR (11 months ago)

Got it. I have FIOS and one extra click does not bother me. I do feel your "pain".

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Photog74
By Photog74 (11 months ago)

I also feel your pain but there is a workaround for recently posted reviews. On the main menu bar, visible on every page including the home page, the second drop-down menu is Reviews. Hover over it, and you will see a drop-down list showing the latest reviews. Simply click the name of the camera whose review you want to read, and you will be taken directly to the review itself.

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dpLarry
By dpLarry (11 months ago)

I was on an island in Indonesia and it took forever to load a page and it was expensive. So I can understand your frustration. But I'm envious of you guys living on a dive resort :-D

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

We're supposed to be living in a customer-driven world and what the customer is saying is that the link on your front page should go to
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d5200
not to
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/16/nikon-d5200-review

So get on it boys. The customer--not some arcane IT policy-- is king.

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (11 months ago)

If only this D5200 had that AF motor so that I can use my old AF nikon Lenses..
and a CLS/built in flash as commander for other nikon flashes..

it would be perfect..

In a way I just want my Nikon D90--smaller, like this D5200, with a flipping LCD and 24MP :-)

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io_bg
By io_bg (11 months ago)

The D90 is still a nice camera. A Dx00 will feel as a downgrade - smaller viewfinder, lack of upper LCD, worse ergonomics, etc, etc.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

I agree, nothing wrong with D90 (or D200 if you want it really cheap and like CCD look, tho be careful about dead lines on sensor). Or D300.

There are options, just usually not brand new. D300 is probably one of best, thanks to very good AF. Unfortunately bit weak on ISO.

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jwaif
By jwaif (11 months ago)

In you conclusions Cons you have "File numbering default that resets after every card format" Normally you have to set a Custom Function on Nikon's for File Number Sequence. On the D5200 that is custom setting d4.

Does this not work on the D5200 or was is not set?

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (11 months ago)

As we wrote in the review, the default setting for d4 is 'Off'.

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Gesture
By Gesture (11 months ago)

What's the equivalent in the Canon or Sony lineup?

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tgelston
By tgelston (11 months ago)

Canon T4i or Sony a65

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Gesture
By Gesture (11 months ago)

Thanks.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

From the review, it appears dpr considers the A57 the Sony comparable. Unfortunately it has just been discontinued and the replacement A58 isn't as good. If you buy quickly you can get the A57 for a couple of hundred off. It's quite the bargain right now. In the long-term, the A65 is probably the closest competitor.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (11 months ago)

The build quality (inferior to weatherproof Pentax K30) and the poor video should have been enough to earn this thing a 75-77% max.

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roustabout66
By roustabout66 (11 months ago)

Why has DPReview stopped using mirror lock up on the Canons? Hopefully it is not to "level the field" with the intentionally crippled Nikons since that would penalize Canon for including features others leave out. I think the T2I compares VERY favorably with any of the APSC cameras, even those with 24 megapixels in terms of sharpness. I had always assumed the extra crispness was because you used MLU on the T2I test.

Thanks

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Wade Tregaskis
By Wade Tregaskis (11 months ago)

The D5200 has MLU anyway. I could see the argument that few people will ever use MLU, so it's not a good basis for quality comparisons.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

Who doesn't use mirror lockup on a camera whenever possible? Why would you even buy a high-MP camera and then throw away half your resolution?

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (11 months ago)

Did they use the kit zoom for the optical tests, because the average user will never buy a prime either.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (11 months ago)

Excellent body for an enthusiast looking for top stills IQ at an excellent price. Good jon Nikon and good review DPR.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (11 months ago)

D5200 or K-30?

All good and cheap lens are Sigma so no differences there.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (11 months ago)

K-30 for the glass pentaprism used for the viewfinder.

But I'd just as soon buy a used K-5/D7000.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (11 months ago)

Yes Pentax make nice cameras but based on how many times they have been bought and sold and their market share, their future is suspect at best.
If they were a stock, they would be hold or do not buy...

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

Only problem with the above logic is that small Pentax is now Ricoh, which is twice as large as Nikon. And readying half a dozen bodies already ...
But yes, to be cautious makes sense; being cautious and playing safe has saved many photographers from taking remarkable shots. :)

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (11 months ago)

So, you agree then...
Pentax, or Ricoh, or Hoya, and whoever is next.
The fact that Ricoh is large has no bearing, it is the size and funding of the camera division not the size of the company that matters.
That said Ricoh also builds great cameras and now combined they can probably break 4% total market share.

I Love Pentax cameras, they are great, but the simple question one has to ask when buying one of these mid level cameras is.

Am I planning to upgrade in the future
Am I planning to grow my system
Am I planning to use aftermarket accessories
Will I ever want full frame

I the answer is yes to any of these, then Pentax should not be your choice.

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Pangloss
By Pangloss (11 months ago)

@Zvonimir "... Pentax is now Ricoh..." is a little bit of a stretch I think. The Pentax imaging division was first sold to Hoya, who further stripped off the company and sold the camera division to Ricoh (for $185 million), who merged it with their own dying camera division to form a new company, Pentax-Ricoh. I believe Pentax has 3% or less of the world camera market and Ricoh something like 0.2%, so I personally don't see how they can compete with the likes of Nikon, Canon, Panasonic, Olympus, etc...

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Nikon and Pentax both have "good and cheap lenses".

The Nikon 35 1.8 and 50 1.8 are both $200 and superb. The Pentax equivalents, 35 2.4 and 50 1.8 are also excellent. The Sigma primes 30 1.4 and 50 1.4 are each $500, and the better Sigma zooms like the 17-50, 17-70, etc are not all that cheap.
For zooms the choice is to either use a variable aperture Nikon zoom like the 18-105 or 16-85 or spring for the Sigma 17-50 2.8 or Tamron 17-50 2.8 (with built-in AF motor). None of the Sigma telephoto zooms, i.e. 70-300 are as good as the Nikon 70-300 or 55-300.

Other than f2.8 zoom, I don't see the point of buying a Nikon to use Sigma glass? Same with Pentax. DA* primes are the way to go with the K-30.

The K-30 has a beautiful 100% Pentaprism VF and terrific ergonomics and handling. Lower res at 16 mp and 12-bit DNG vs 14-bit NEF the Nikon, AFAIK.

The D5200 has class leading IQ (DR, color depth, high ISO) and video quality. The K-30 IQ is great, but video quality is average.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

I dont like Pentax much now (absolute opposite to film times), but K-30 seems much less "fragile" then these things. Plus its pretty nicely beefed with various features. Except video, but if you want photos..

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

Apple Macintosh has about 5% of the personal computer market. Yet it is good and for Apple healthy 5%. Numbers are not so important as you think. Apple's philosophy is not to become largest in number of shipments, but best in user satisfaction. Similarly, Pentax does not need ned to sell plastic as madly as others and saturate market with same stuff; just a few percents rise will serve them more than adequately. Also, surveys show Pentax tops all DSLR manufacturers in user satisfaction.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

If you're too small you can't get distributors and stores to carry your products. Pentax has to hope that online buyers keep it afloat (a very real possibility), or that the new ownership (Ricoh) has enough credibility that stores will give them another chance. They don't have much visibility in the US right now.

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AshMills
By AshMills (11 months ago)

75% of the cons are video/live view related... If video is not that important for a dslr buyer (who remembers the naysayers of DSLR Live view when Olympus introduced it?) then seems like a great piece of kit.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (11 months ago)

I agree, except that you get more for your money (if you're a Nikon shooter) with something like a used D5100 at half the price or less.

Limiting ourselves to your premise that video doesn't count.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Question for DPR: Wasn't there a plan to get Andrew Reid from EOSHD to contribute some video content?

The D5200 is the first Nikon APS-C DSLR to actually best the Canon APS-C cameras for video quality, and much has been written elsewhere about it especially since Nikon has done such a good job controlling moire/aliasing vs the Canons.

But unfortunately the video section in this review is very short, and doesn't really talk about the dramatic improvement of the D5200 over the previous Nikons for video.

If readers here want to compare D5200 video with two of the best, see below:

D5200 vs GH3
https://vimeo.com/59832019

D5200 vs 5D MK III
https://vimeo.com/60135187

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (11 months ago)

@marike6,
We're still exploring ways to integrate Andrew Reid's video-specific findings into our reviews. On cameras like the Panasonic GH3 and Canon 5D Mark III, which have garnered large followings in the DSLR video world, we do provide extensive coverage of video performance with direct input from Andrew Reid.

With the D5200, the video shooters we've spoken with are impressed with its ability to withstand more substantial sharpening corrections in post for the appearance of very crisp footage. But with our obvious emphasis on stills photography here at dpreview our primary focus for video performance has always been with OOC results.

On an objective level, the D5200 does not out-resolve the GH3, for example at base ISO. In fact, it falls noticeably short. What has videographers most excited about the D5200 is its impressive low light performance. And in this review we tried to provide samples which illustrate that.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (11 months ago)

It might be worth pointing out that the lack of moire which the D5200 claims is due to soft video. Moire is the result of resolution. You can avoid moire on a sharp video camera with a softening filter, or by putting the shot slightly out of focus, but you can not "sharpen up" cameras like the D5200 in shots where moire is not a concern.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (11 months ago)

But Amadou, most of the cons are video/LV related, so maybe you need to have a second opinion on that. Good job overall, I'd say, though.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (11 months ago)

@bobbarber
Avoiding moiré is of paramount concern in the DSLR video world. And for many, the trade-off of softer but less heavily processed footage that you can 'sharpen up' in post, for the appearance of crisp video, is one they're willing to make.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Thanks guys. The reason I ask is because Andrew has written extensively about the D5200 comparing it quite favorably to the Canons and the GH3. Moire and aliasing are a huge problem on not only HDSLR cameras, but quality mirrorless video cameras like the NEX cameras.

As far as soft output, virtually all FF and DSLR cameras including the Canons and RX1 are slightly soft even with in camera sharpening turned up vs GH2/GH3 and BMCC. But the proper way to shoot a DSLR (because of aliasing and ugly in-camera sharpening) is to turn sharpening to zero, and add USM in post.

But you are quite right, low-light has been improved. And the fact that D5200 low-light is significantly better than the D5100 / D7000 (and competitive with the 600D, 7D and even 5D III) and that moire/aliasing are so dramatically improved make it an extremely desirable camera in the for the Vimeo HDLSR budget videographer crowd.

Thanks for talking the time to answer my question, and for the review.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (11 months ago)

@rhlpetrus
I think that on a fundamental level sites like EOSHD and dpr are serving two distinct audiences. There are clearly cameras with which it makes sense to give equal weight to the needs of both dedicated videographers and still photographers looking to shoot casual video and present it with minimal grading, sharpening and tonal corrections. With the D5200 we've chosen to address the latter group but have mentioned the camera's abilities for low light work and post-processing.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

Amadou,
I'm sure you have customer data to back up the lukewarm stance on video, but that policy is very shortsighted and shuts out a big potential audience. I am ancient demographically, yet I am a one of the many photojournalists who has switched to combining video and stills to create my stories (blame Ken Burns). And then there is the whole group who have added iPhone and GoPro video to their artistic endeavors (seen the Snow Monkey commercial?) So while your most vocal group of DPReview users may hate video, the world at large is converging at an ever-increasing rate.
Get with the times and get aggressive about video, you're too valuable a resource to be left behind.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

I am sympathetic to dpr on this one. They already do stills well, but to add comparable coverage (and testing) of video would be complex and expensive. 20-page reviews would become 25-page reviews and a fair chunk of their readership would skip those pages. And complain about how long the reviews were taking. Oh, right, and they already complain. They'd complain more and blame the lag on the video testing. I do think this review should have gone into slightly more detail about what distinguished the D5200 video from competitors, without doing serious testing. I'm no videographer so your sample clips don't tell me much, except the few things you point out.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

- Slow AF in live view and video modes (compared to mirrorless APS-C cameras)

Suprising really. And as its supposedly big enough problem, are you aware of any dSLR that has fast AF in LV or video mode? I would be suprised if you know about one.

I have nothing agaisnt if you mention somewhere that it doesnt have fast AF in LV or video mode. For those who have no idea how AF works or they were under rock when mirrorless came. But it shouldnt be con for simple reason. LIVE VIEW CANT BE FAST WITH DSLR!

Unless you for that purpose put AF sensors directly on sensor (ala NEX-6 and others). Which Nikon didnt. Neither Canon, or Pentax. And I doubt they will.

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mick232
By mick232 (11 months ago)

They will. Sooner or later. Sony will feature on-sensor PDAF in 2014, with no mirror at all. Then you really get best of both worlds, and the competition will have to follow.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (11 months ago)

Don't fully agree. My aging A500 is very fast in LV (just as fast as when using the OVF) and still qualifies as a DSLR. The same goes for the whole A3xx and A5xx series. None of which have PDAF pixels on the main sensor.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

+1. After I read their somewhat tired and puzzling now standard line about LiveView (again. it's in every DSLR review after all), I didn't bother reading the rest.

The point is not what an MILC does, but that for a DLSR with a big, bright 100% finder, or even the D5200's 95% finder, LV is redundant to the VF, and as such it's a secondary consideration. Certainly not warranting of a "Con" on a DSLR review.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

The point is that there are cameras (at a similar price and with similar feature sets) that can and do focus quickly in live view mode. It's irrelevant whether they're DSLRs or not - they're competitors.

If we criticise mirrorless cameras for failing to match DSLRs for continuous AF performance, we have to ping DSLRs that fail to match the S-AF speed of the latest mirrorless models.

If we believe that some of our readers are considering mirrorless cameras and DSLRs then it makes no sense to ignore what's happening with the other type of camera.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

R Butler wrote: "It's irrelevant whether they're DSLRs or not"

It's not irrelevant. The whole point of a DSLR is it has TTL viewing and 99% of professionals or enthusiasts are going to be opting for the OVF vs shooting with the DLSR out in front of your faces. Watch the basketball game tonight and see how many photographers below the basket are holding their 1DXs and D4s out in front of their faces shooting with LV.

DPR is making a mountain out of an insignificant molehill by detracting points to DSLRs for LiveView AF speed. Does any D7100 buyer really care that it's a bit slower than a Lumix GX1 camera in LV?. DPR seems to care, but I can guarantee you that not a single DSLR user cares all that much about a secondary feature like LV.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (11 months ago)

Right...

...because everybody wants to be the guy under the basket, or compares themself to the guy under the basket, or when they take a nice picture, ask themselves, "I like the way this turned out, but would the guy under the basket use my camera?"

Thanks for voicing the unspoken thoughts of the silent majority, marike6.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@bobarber

What are you even talking about?

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

Im starting to believe that you are kinda loosing touch with reality.

Just because something is "big thing" right now in world of camera/IT journalism doesnt mean its really big thing and customers or readers care.

In real world, video is small addition, just another function for most photographers. LV is mostly thing to manual focus, hardly way to really shoot photos with dSLR, unless absolutely needed.

Sure some will evolve into hybrid videographer/photographer, but those ppl really dont care if D5200 even exists.

Blaming mirrorless for poor C-AF is about as clever as blaming dSLR for slow AF in LV.

Its like if you wanted generic Skoda to win 24h LeMans just because its "car too".

Issue is in lens itself. PDAF lens are not made for super-fast refocusing in small increments which is must for CDAF. Thats reason why 4/3 lens are so slow on m4/3 bodies. It cant focus faster than any LV on dSLR because lens cant.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

And as you probably know, all current Nikkor lens are made to work mainly on PDAF system. Like all m4/3 lens are made to work on CDAF.

CDAF lens could in theory work on PDAF system, but due flange distance, it cant happen. :)

Tho no problem with creating hybrid lens that could do both with right adapter. It would just defy mirrorless system a bit (cause it would be big). I guess we might see something similar in future.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@Mescalamba

Terrific, informative two posts above. Thanks.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (11 months ago)

"LV is mostly thing to manual focus, hardly way to really shoot photos with dSLR, unless absolutely needed."

That's a chicken/egg case. It's hardly used because most implementations are severely lacking. For example in speed but also functionality (having to leave LV to change aperture for example). If you're not going to criticize it, it;s not going to get better.
At one point in time, AF existed in some cameras but was hardly used by most photographers. That didn't make it less useful when everyone was able to experience the expanded opportunities once the feature was introduced and more polished by all manufacturers. But let's not forget, that it was mostly dismissed as well when introduced.

As for how to improve, on sensor PDAF for one. There are already FF sensors with on sensor PDAF pixels.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

TrojMacReady wrote: " It's hardly used because most implementations are severely lacking."

It's hardly used, particularly handheld, because DSLRs are too large to hold out of front of your face like a P&S. And switching from PDAF to less robust contrast detect AF makes little sense when you have an OVF.

And as Mescalamba mentioned, DLSR lenses are designed for PDAF, and do not have stepping motors like MILC lenses. So to criticize a camera body like the D5200 for slower LV when the entire Nikon system of lenses are designed for PDAF is kind of unfair.

Not to mention that such a focus on DSLR LV is misleading to beginners because it gives credence to handheld LV shooting.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

@ Mescalamba - When I walk around Pike Place Market (a popular tourist spot), I see people using cameras in a way that it sounds like neither you or I would, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

The D5200 is not a camera aimed at professionals or even solely at experienced DSLR users.

I've not mentioned video in any of my comments but, since some readers will (quite reasonably, whether you approve or not), attempt to use live view to shoot stills, it's entirely proper for us to tell them how it will perform.

It would be wrong for us to give that too much importance in our conclusion but we can't just ignore the fact that one of the D5200's features is not up to contemporary standards.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

Without meaning to suggest anything about the two styles of cameras' respective futures:

If, in 1885, I'd had to review an Ordinary ('Penny Farthing') next to a Rover Safery Bicycle, it would have been madness for me to ignore the greater risk of falling off the front of the Ordinary, just because existing skilled riders could use them and were happy with the risks.

If readers might plausibly be choosing between two items, it's the reviewers job to highlight strengths and weaknesses. We're not saying you have to use that feature, we're not even saying the D5200 is terrible for not doing it well but, if you use live view, it is a fact that the D5200 is not as fast at focusing as some of its peers.

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flipmac
By flipmac (11 months ago)

I commonly see friends, family and other people who just got a DSLR or rarely shoot one use it like a P&S and get annoyed because of the slow LV. For the D5200, the problem is more of an issue as the articulated screen is a major selling point over other Nikon models.
Anyway, both Nikon and Canon are behind in this regard. What's funny is that a T5i, even with its on sensor PDAF and STM lens, is still slower in LV than Olympus/Panasonic with purely CDAF. Nikon and Canon need to work on their CDAF implementation since its not just the case of PDAF only lenses.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (11 months ago)

" it's hardly used, particularly handheld, because DSLRs are too large to hold out of front of your face like a P&S. And switching from PDAF to less robust contrast detect AF makes little sense when you have an OVF."

I do it very often to utilize the benefits of good LV and a flexible screen. Think shooting from the hip, chest, above your head in crowds, up from ground level without getting dirty etc. Even one handed at times. It's too simplistic to dismiss LV for static MF work only when you haven't experienced fast and flexible LV enough. When entering dimly lit environments, LV and a fast lens gives a bright preview for easy shooting when your eyes need up to 20 minutes to see the same. Helped me a lot too.
I already mentioned the existence of on sensor PDAF too.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

My point was that it should be mentioned somewhere "that AF in LV isnt particulary fast, neither in video mode" but it shouldnt be con.

Its not bug or mistake, its just inherited "feature". Therefore it shouldnt be con.

You really blame dSLR for being dSLR and mirrorless for being mirrorless. If they were alive, you would be sued for racism.

For example you can make "neutral" between pros/cons and write there that due being dSLR LV and video mode is slow and it will be until technology changes enough (or Nikon changes :D).

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (11 months ago)

Again, that is false. Of course it can be labeled a con because technology that has been on the market and technology that is currently on the market, proves there are alternatives, even when using an OVF.

Plus, it's not up to the reviewer to keep in mind what the possible solutions or limitations are. That's the responsibility of the camera maker when he's marketing the camera to be very useful with LV, highlighting it in adds and with the addition of a flip out screen. It's the responsibility of the reviewer to highlight practical flaws of technology and implementations used. And that's what Dpreview did.

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (11 months ago)

I use live view all the time and I'm old enough to be able to thread a Nikkor reel in the pitch black. So these guys are using sound thinking in this regard. Some people enjoy discovering and using all the features on their camera, otherwise why buy a camera with features?

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (11 months ago)

Ja, see Pentax K-30 liveview AF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1GwD1XMtnU
You wrote too much to know to little.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

waxwaine

If I dont mind its high contrast subjects with textures, which makes it easy to any AF, then this video isnt much "real world". Unless you shoot photos of lens for living. :D And it didnt say anything about accuracy.

Another thing is that Pentax most likely did what I suggested and latest kit lens from them are exactly those hybrids I described. Remember they did K-01 which is regular Pentax KAF2 mount, yet its mirrorless. I would be suprised if they didnt do any improvements to increase AF speed in LV because of that. And those improvements must been on both side, which means they have lens suitable for this.

Im sure Pentax users are happy that their LV AF works faster then with other dSLRs, especially cause despite what DPreview wrote, regular AF leaves as usually a lot to be desired.

Btw. its always nice to read "just another" Pentax fanboy. Amusing how you desperately try to find something good about these days Pentax.

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Jon Holstein
By Jon Holstein (9 months ago)

I think it's fair to have it as a con, as this camera is in the same pricerange as some pretty nice mirrorless.
But really it should state that that holds true for most DSLRs, and that the autofocus in non liveview is quicker, to guide potential buyers not understanding that, that if in their user scenarios they wont need LV for autofocus, it's not really a con.
But with articulated screen (or some models tilting), you do some times rely on autofocus in liveview. If OVF were as fexible, it would not be a problem, but at it is now, it's a fact that many will be troubled with the slow autofocus.

The annoyence of having to leave LV to ser apreature, is very much a con.

Video cons are easy to look buy for potential customers not at alla interested in video.

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TOF guy
By TOF guy (11 months ago)

Thank you for another well done review.
Looks like a good performance camera and great value. But Nikon should be dinged for not offering Mirror Lock-Up at this level. It should be added to the cons list.
After the recent QC issues which Nikon has experienced, have you checked the Af accuracy (no back focus with any af sensor) ? How about dust / debris ? A lot of potential buyers would like to know if these issues in newly released cameras are in the past.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

True that. Lack of MLU is con in every case when its missing. I think manufacturers should get this negative in every review of every camera where is mirror and no MLU. Maybe then they would realise it should be there.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (11 months ago)

As a not very inconvenient workaround, you can set the camera to live view (which raises the mirror) and then capture the exposure.

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Wade Tregaskis
By Wade Tregaskis (11 months ago)

The D5200 has mirror lock-up, at least in the sense of a fixed one-second delay to subsequent shutter.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (11 months ago)

It's tempting to upgrade my D5100 to this for the 39 AF points alone. But then my Lightroom 3.5 won't work anymore and I don't want to have to upgrade it. As always, upgrades often-times involve more than just the body itself.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

Or you can go hard way and for example try RawTherapee. Which is free and supports D5200.

And does better job than any converter you can buy.

But sux terribly as file organizer, I give you that. :)

There is always way for someone who really wants. And Adobe really doesnt exist in vacuum (even with recent events they probably think they do).

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RAG64
By RAG64 (11 months ago)

I'm disappointed with the lack of details in the studio images above 800 iso - IQ way lower than my old Canon 600D. Can that be right??

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Kelly M Jones
By Kelly M Jones (11 months ago)

Are looking at RAW or JPG? If you are looking at JPG, then indeed it falls behind a bit in some parts of the studio image. However, if you look at raw 3200 or 6400, then the D5200 is clearly capturing more detail. The other thing to watch for is that the plane of focus for the D5200 is slightly forward of the Canon, so you get different results looking at playing cards versus the watch face. I've seen enough variation in focus that I wouldn't put too much stock in direct detail comparisons of the studio shots.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

No that is not right. I'm guessing you are looking at JPEG. Have a look at RAW, leave it on 650D it doesn't matter, it's the same sensor as the 600D.

The 600D is a terrific camera, but D5200 has some of the best IQ of any APS-C camera on the market. Sharp, detailed RAWs, high DR, and quite good high ISO ability. Enjoy.

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RAG64
By RAG64 (11 months ago)

You guys are right - I was looking at JPG :-)

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Underdog 3000
By Underdog 3000 (11 months ago)

Nice review.
Noticed your slide comparison for build quality is not working.

On a side note, are you going to post a K-5II and IIs in the same report or seperate?

Thanks
Joel

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (11 months ago)

Same report would be logical. Near zero difference.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

DPR writes: "Users wanting to shoot primarily in live view mode will have to settle for slower autofocus performance than they'd get from nearly any mirrorless camera."

It's a DSLR with an OVF. Why would a still shooter want to shoot primarily in live view mode? Unless you are leveraging the articulated LCD shooting low to the ground or overhead, if you are shooting "primarily in live view mode" on a DSLR, you are doing it wrong.

I don't get why DPR keeps harping on handheld Live View shooting and subtracting points from DSLRs with OVFs for LV and touch screens. It's a bias that's particularly odd considering these a DSLRs not P&S or ILCs without VFs.

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ET2
By ET2 (11 months ago)

Go out and watch. Most consumers who buy these entry level DSLRs are using live view. That's the market, like it or not.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

We've removed the word primarily, since the point is true for anyone trying to use live view to any degree.

The presence of a flip-out screen strongly suggests that Nikon expects people to use live view and is likely to give would-be buyers the impression that it's a credible means of shooting with the camera, so it's entirely fair to point out that it's an area in which the D5200 falls behind the competition.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (11 months ago)

Trafalgar square is a good place to watch almost everyone using live view on their DSLR. Yes it is strange but a lot of people considering this camera as their first DSLR will be coming from cameras with no viewfinders.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@R Butler
The articulated LCD of this camera has nothing to do with it, the line that I quoted from the review has become a stock phrase in virtually every DSLR review written by DPR. And frankly, such an emphasis on Live View for still shooting in a DSLR review is not warranted and doesn't inspire confidence that the reviewer is completely understanding how such a camera is used 95% of the time for stills. It's a bias that's based solely on a comparison to MILCs not on the fact that there are actually users who shoot DSLRs with shaky arms outstretched in front of their faces like a phone or P&S.

As far as the competition, ALL DSLRs fall behind MILCs in LV because they are not designed to be used like P&Ss. The LV is mainly added for video because the OVF blacks out during video shooting.

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Gesture
By Gesture (11 months ago)

Go back far enough and Phil Askey reviews would question why anyone would want Live View on a DSLR. Actually, how about when the camera is on a tripod.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

ET2:

And the optical view finder is not good on this camera--another good reason to comment on the live view focus of this body.

But hey this is a plenty good sensor and now Toshiba/Nikon have an excuse to do a variation with phase detect AF on the sensor.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

If you can walk into a shop and leave with either a D5200 or a Panasonic G6 for similar money, it's entirely reasonable to highlight areas in which one does or doesn't match up to the other.

We're not making any assumption about how many people would choose to use live view - we're pointing out to any that might, that it's worth being aware of a shortcoming. We aren't giving a lot of weight to that concern, but it deserves to be mentioned.

Ultimately, as others have pointed out, it's not uncommon to see people shooting stills in live view, even if you wouldn't dream of doing so.

7 upvotes
Vinny311
By Vinny311 (11 months ago)

Easy...I shoot with a Sony Alpha a580, it's not a mirrorless or SLT, in fact is the last traditional DSLR from Sony with OVF and it's a beauty to shoot in Live View...I found myself shooting, more and more in Live View cause it's that great...plus in manual mode you kind of have a "focus peaking" mode on the spot you're focusing on...is very easy to focus manually...its another thing that keeps me on Sony's camp right now, a swivel and a great Live View = many more options and less compromising, something that the a77 and a99 as semi and pro cameras do have...many Sony shooters including me, ask why Sony opted for SLT with such an amazing camera in their stores...

I can understand why DP says that, cause there're many cameras in this particular range that have a great live view, specially form Sony...

5 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (11 months ago)

I disagree with this post on two counts. marike6 has claimed to be an experienced user of MILCs on other threads, but I question that.

1) One of the best features of the touch-screen on MILCs, the Panasonics that I have used at least, is focus selection and shutter release. You can tap a finger anywhere in the frame and both choose your point of focus and get virtually instantaneous shutter release. Anyone who thinks that MILCs are not used this way in the real world, hasn't been paying attention. It is an extremely useful feature, and much quicker than any focus selection and shutter release method on a DSLR that I've seen. It is fair, as R. Butler points out, to let readers know that DSLRs like this that claim live view do not have nearly the same functionality.

2) Manual focus is another area where OVFs can not compare to MILC. MF on DSLRs is most effective in live view, but you do not get instantaneous shutter release as with MILCs (through the EVF or not).

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

Marike has posted knowledgeably on a wide range of cameras. I disagree with him on this, not only because plenty of dslr users use live view, but because this camera is going to be cross-shopped with mirrorless models. Plenty of people who aren't serious photographers are going to head down to Best Buy or Target and see this right next to a NEX-6 or G6 (and a Canon or two) and think they all look like reasonable cameras for their needs. As they are. A few of those people will read dpr reviews before they buy.

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cordellwillis
By cordellwillis (11 months ago)

Oh my, a camera review.

Thank you for reviewing a "camera" that is not a phone with a camera. Nice and detailed just like they were in the good old days.

4 upvotes
Juck
By Juck (11 months ago)

Yeh,,, damn straight,,, all that money you're paying Dpreview ,, how very very dare they.

9 upvotes
RAG64
By RAG64 (11 months ago)

Yep, indeed all that money their advertisers get from us!
Or is DPR a charity now? Wise a...

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Juck
By Juck (11 months ago)

RAG64,, lol,,, swing and a miss.

6 upvotes
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (11 months ago)

You can get this and a good portrait lens for the cost of Nikon's new 1 lens. silly? yoooop.

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Thoughts
By Thoughts (11 months ago)

ohh.. don't start... some people don't want to hear this. Nikon 1 lens is the future after all...

1 upvote
Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (11 months ago)

Hey Troll,

Enjoy your brick. I sold my bricks and boat anchor lenses and went exclusively into mirrorless systems. Now I take my cameras everywhere instead of leaving them at home due to the inconvenience of packing 'luggage'.

8 upvotes
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (11 months ago)

I like mirrorless. My beef is with the price.

3 upvotes
MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

No one likes the price of that lens ($900, for those who don't know). It's more than I can afford, but I don't desperately need a fast portrait lens for a camera that's ill-suited for portraiture. I suspect Nikon knows they won't sell many and is gouging the few buyers to whom price is unimportant. Still time to buy a Powerball ticket, I guess. Meanwhile, here is a fairly nice camera at a fair price. I won't be buying this, either, but I wouldn't feel like a sucker if I did (still probably go for the K30, for the viewfinder.)

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Mirko123
By Mirko123 (11 months ago)

Great review, as always!
However the timing has made it somewhat redundant.

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (11 months ago)

We've actually had almost complete studio work, and a full gallery of real-world sample images online since February. The only thing that delayed this review was the arrival of the D7100, which we prioritized.

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In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (11 months ago)

Redundant how? It's a current model, is it not?

Not everyone buys their cameras in the first few weeks after launch. Personally I like to track firmware updates and after-sale support for a few months (at least) before I throw my money at something. Hence, I held off buying any Fuji X-Trans cameras until the supporting tech had matured and third-party RAW support was well and truly settled.

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H4N
By H4N (11 months ago)

Oh really? A review of d5200, right? Took you just 2 month to write it. Congrats.

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H4N
By H4N (11 months ago)

Oh, come on, Barney.
Has d7100 stayed in your office for 2 months too?
It has been released just real recently and you posted your review recently too.
D5200 was available since the good March and, following your logic, you've been waiting for 2 months to "prioritize" d7100, right?
Sounds like complete falsehood. Just admit you've delayed the review real damn well.

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Mirko123
By Mirko123 (11 months ago)

2 months??
It was announced in November 6, 2012!
Perhaps mathematics is not your forte?

And i never criticized the review.

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H4N
By H4N (11 months ago)

Firstly, my comment do not relate to yours. It was mistakenly placed there as a result of invalid reply button usage. It relates to the whole review.

Secondly, don't be all funny about mathematics. Announced is one thing, "IN stock" is another. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be living next to some Nikon's factory store.

And, finally, following your logic, they've delayed the review for even longer. But you liked it and did not criticize. Alright. Here we end.

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