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Just Posted: Detailed hands-on Olympus PEN E-P5 preview

By dpreview staff on May 10, 2013 at 05:00 GMT
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Just Posted: Our detailed, hands-on Olympus PEN E-P5 preview. We've been using a pre-production E-P5 for the last few days and have had a dig beyond the specifications to discover how the latest range-topping PEN behaves. We investigate the camera's latest features, including its easy-connect Wi-Fi, its degree of customization and its '2x2' dial behavior. We also take a look at how it compares to the E-P3 and OM-D E-M5, and how the high resolution VF-4 handles on the E-P5 and existing models.

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Erik Ohlson
By Erik Ohlson (11 months ago)

I see that this has one of those silly add-on EVFs that make a reasonably sized camera into some sort of distorted beast.

A Clearviewer would do a much better job, rendering the camera's LCD as a huge "EVF" screen and protecting the screen from bumps when compactly folded for carrying.

At a fraction of the cost.

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Nathebeach
By Nathebeach (11 months ago)

Clearviewer? Tell me more? How does it compare to the Hoodman viewer? It does not appear to have an eyecup. That would seem to be useful, or is it not really needed? Have you tried this device yourself? I checked the website but I am busy "working" right now and need to get back to my duties.

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M DeNero
By M DeNero (11 months ago)

I know it's only styling, but "OLYMPUS PEN" running across the top just looks stupid.

1 upvote
jeffharris
By jeffharris (11 months ago)

Awful, indeed.
You just need a bigger piece of tape to cover it up. ;-)

0 upvotes
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (11 months ago)

That it doesn't have an VF (and that to many is the deal-breaker?) well, why should have it?

Once upon a time, we all had to use the VF thing and stare through a tunnel, because that was the only way to imagine what film cameras will capture.
And I bet, photographers in film days have missed a gazillion far more interesting shots just outside the VF because they were staring through the tunnel, rather than keeping a camera at a distance (like painters do with a sketchbook) and actually absorbing the world around them and noticing more interesting things happening at the decisive moment threshold.

Thus today, we curse VF-less cameras because of the old technological impediment?

3 upvotes
JayFromSA
By JayFromSA (11 months ago)

A viewfinder has it's place... especially in bright sunshine. Also some people like a viewfinder. That said, that is evidently not the point of the E-P5. I see it excel in the hands of the street photographer who makes images covertly... in the rain... somewhere in Paris, Brussels, Tokyo, New York, Johannesburg...

To do the job well, you need the right tool...

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Burgerwhich
By Burgerwhich (11 months ago)

EP3 for $350 on sale now that is what I'm talking about. This is why I love m43, budget friendly. Except the 75mm 1.8 (but worth it, sharpest lens in the system by far) and the Black limited edition 12mm can go f themselves but the rest, very budget friendly.

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Justin Francis
By Justin Francis (11 months ago)

No doubt a great camera but competition will be coming in the form of similar sized and cheaper DSLRs. I'm sure Nikon will soon be coming up with a DSLR that will be smaller than the Canon 100D. Still M43 has the advantage of smaller lenses.

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T3
By T3 (11 months ago)

Similar-sized DSLRs? DSLR size will always be limited by their large lens registration distances. Canon EOS's lens registration distance is 44mm. Nikon F's lens registration distance is 46.5mm. m4/3's lens registration distance is only 19.25mm. Canon's EOS system has one of the shortest lens registration distances of any DSLR system, and yet it is still more than 2X the distance of m4/3!

Obviously, when you have such large lens registration distances, it limits how thick or thin you can make your camera bodies. And you can't shorten the lens registration distance of DSLR systems (even if you removed the flapping mirror) without obsoleting the entire lens system built for that system!

I'm a Canon DSLR user, but I know that DSLRs will never get down to MILC sizes. You can chop off the sides and top of the body, but you'll still have that thick lens registration distance (and the bigger lenses). That's why I went out and bought an Oly m4/3.

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Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (11 months ago)

I dare you to find 2 cameras on http://camerasize.com/ that are 'similar-sized'.

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Csaba Farkas
By Csaba Farkas (11 months ago)

Anyone any experience on how Leica M lenses perform on M43 with an adapter? Forget the focus and working aperture issue, I'm curious about image quality.

0 upvotes
pdelux
By pdelux (11 months ago)

Should work the same except FL x 2

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jeffharris
By jeffharris (11 months ago)

I use a couple of Voigtländers on a GH2 with no trouble.

A Nokton Classic 35mm f1.4 (M mount) and 75mm f2.5 Color Heliar (Leica L screwmount). Both are excellent lenses with excellent image quality. Since they're both rangefinder lenses, they're sized perfectly for M4/3 bodies.

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

The E-P5 looks like a good deal compare to the new nikon V lens :)

7 upvotes
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (11 months ago)

By Christmas it will be $800

2 upvotes
Digitall
By Digitall (11 months ago)

Body only -$200 off? I bet for less, much less. Maybe that price with Kit lens. We wiill see.

1 upvote
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

i wouldn't wait till christmas to get 200$ off ..
@Digital EM5 didn't get lower than 200$ since its launch and its roughly a year :)

0 upvotes
JayFromSA
By JayFromSA (11 months ago)

Doubt it... wouldn't mind though!

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Michael Jardine
By Michael Jardine (11 months ago)

I have a D800 and D7000 with 16-35, 50, 85, 70-200 and 300 lenses. I have used it for magazine photography and even some night sports. But I find that the M43 system is perfect for travel. At first I brought both camera systems along, but in the end I have dropped the DSLR in favor of M43.

I have also used it for my most recent magazine work (portraits), so I'm not the only one happy with the results. I just shoot with two simple and relatively inexpensive primes: 20 and 45.

Sony was an option but poor lens selection and the lenses you can get are much bigger. The entire reason for switching over to M43 was to have a camera that is, quite literally,pocketable. The Olympus E-PL5 with 20mm, is just that. I imagine the E-P5 will also be pocketable, with the added advantage of the two spin dials that most DSLR users are used to.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (11 months ago)

20/1.7 is a good m4/3" lens, a poor one compared with SLR lenses, but I think at least it's enough for the low quality print that we have for magazines and newspapers, why we are throwing them away for digital media.

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Nathebeach
By Nathebeach (11 months ago)

yabokkie, those are not bad lenses by any stretch of the imagination, even when compared to SLR lenses. Can you quantify what you mean by poor? Color? DOF? Sharpness? Edges? I am curious why you feel they are so poor. I know the Pany's tend toward cooler colors for example, but that is a preference choice, not an indication of a poor lense.

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flipmac
By flipmac (11 months ago)

@yabokkie:
DPR finds the 20/1.7 to have "Impressive image quality at all apertures":
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/panasonic_20_1p7_o20/4

The lens is good and even almost 4 years later, there's not much option for bright (at least F/1.8), compact and affordable primes with similar FoV (35-40mm) on DSLR and mirrorless formats.

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Nathebeach
By Nathebeach (11 months ago)

Yabokkie? Are you out there?

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Nathebeach
By Nathebeach (11 months ago)

That 19mm is a pretty good lens. Not sure you could upgrade on it. Maybe faster would be nice, but peak center shaprness wide open and excellent center and edge sharpness up to F-8. I find that to be a VERY interesting lens. I pine for the 17mm f1.8 but I cannot justify the cost. Your wife may like the Sigma 30mm also, which is a long normal lens. Beautiful Bokeh. Check out ephotozine and what they have to say about both those lenses. For the price all I can say is wow!

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kadardr
By kadardr (11 months ago)

WE tend to forget that there is a sony nex 7 which is a much better camera ( with the new lenses it IS fact). A bit stealthy though. Pretty against 'profi"??

8 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (11 months ago)

English, please?

8 upvotes
happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (11 months ago)

What new lenses are you talking about? ...especially to compare to the 75 1.8, 45 1.8, 17 1.8 as well as the 20 1.7 and 25 1.4.

10 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (11 months ago)

The early 24mp Sony sensors in the Sony NEX's and DSLR's are too noisy. Other than that, the NEX-7 really is the only really good NEX, the 6 being and feeling just plain cheap.

6 upvotes
caver3d
By caver3d (11 months ago)

That is absolute nonsense. You say the Nex7 is a better camera? The Oly E-M5 took it to the cleaners, and so will the E-P5. And as Sony adds lenses, Oly and Pany add even more. That IS a Fact.

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Uri Ben
By Uri Ben (11 months ago)

N7 is not better camera .

7 upvotes
riveredger
By riveredger (11 months ago)

Only in AF performance.

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Both the OMD and NEX7 won gold award on DPR.

The NEX-7 is in a higher price bracket than the EP-5. Nobody knows which will be a better camera, but on paper the NEX-7 sensor (one of the highest rated on DxOMark) and the eye-level VF could be preferable to some. m43 users will obviously prefer the EP5.

Sensor doesn't make the camera, but the NEX-7 sensor is an impressive performer.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

"a sony nex 7 which is a much better camera"
what's wrong with you man!! :))

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wansai
By wansai (11 months ago)

The OMD definitely DOES NOT take the nex 7 "to the cleaners". They are both really good cameras and have pros & cons each. If you want absolute IQ, the NEX7 can't be beat in the mirrorless segment.

The level of detail and definition from the Nex 7 files are superior to the OMD & while the OMD is slightly less noisy in low light, the Nex 7 has better detail retention and the RAW file is more robust; particularly when recovering highlight/shadow.

I have both & consider them equal in their own ways. On the Nex, i'm good with the 24, 30, 50. On the OMD, I'm good with the 20 panny & 25 leica with occasional/rare 45 use.

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olypan
By olypan (11 months ago)

Even the cleaners couldn't get the stain out!

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

nex7 is not a good camera .. thats why its easier to forget about it!
so half of your sentence is right actually :))

on a serious note, nex7 maybe good, but m43 is a very different and very complete system, its really silly to compare it with any other system, just because they are mirrorless!!

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Tim F 101
By Tim F 101 (11 months ago)

@happypoppeye: I think he means the Sigma primes. In the NEX world those count as prestige lenses.

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Burgerwhich
By Burgerwhich (11 months ago)

@happypoppeye, Tim F 101
HA NO, his talking about the 4 Zeiss. Yes they are all over 1k but IQ in unmatched in mirrorless market. NO I take that back. My Fuji primes are right there with them. M4/3? the 75mm 1.8 is amazing. others are sub par compared to the Zeissessss.

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Burgerwhich
By Burgerwhich (11 months ago)

Yeah, his trolling but you m4/3 owners are sensitive must be the small sensor lol. Lenses his talking about are the new primes and wide zoom, and of coarse the 3 ZEISS!!! Point is there are plenty of reasons people dig the nex-7 (focus peaking, grip, weight) over the OMD/Ep3 get over it.

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sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

So tempted to 'upgrade' my Ep3 with the new VF4 if its really clearer and faster in practice.

1 upvote
sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

Here's a good size comparison between vf-2 vs vf-4
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/598/910/42.jpg

4 upvotes
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

Surely. It works with logs, but will it give good results with cats? (sorry, couldn't resist...)

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (11 months ago)

I wonder if this VF will work on the Leica M (type 240)

2 upvotes
Vadimka
By Vadimka (11 months ago)

I should work, but no auto switch for EVF/LCD.

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highwave
By highwave (11 months ago)

Baaaah

This camera is growing on me more and more every time I look at it.

Darn you Olympus, did you have to go and make such a pretty Camera? don't you understand a lot of us need to save money? Even the white version glitters like it's made out of pearls or something. And I'm a guy!

Thank God, they omitted the EVF, else my bank account would be taking a blow.

Yet who knows. Maybe if it drops a lot in the next few months, and my used OM-D doesn't suffer so bad on the used market, I might even go for it. I like the EVF but I think I can live without it.

18 upvotes
thewhitehawk
By thewhitehawk (11 months ago)

I wouldn't trade my OM-D for this camera.

1 upvote
G Davidson
By G Davidson (11 months ago)

I know how you feel. Personally, I tried holding the OM-5 and just didn't like it so much. I realise it is fully-featured, fast and capable of great results, but it was the search for an affordable 'digital rangefinder' that lead me to m43 and this seems to fulfill that promise more than any other model. I want a camera that feels good and is fun to use, the same way so many film cameras are.

Right now I have and enjoy using an EPL-2. This update seems to involve the least sacrifices, not only that but it seems
I can use the EVF on both models.

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kayone
By kayone (11 months ago)

I wouldn't trade my OM-D either, but if it were to get stolen/damaged beyond repair, then this EP-5 looks to be an excellent replacement camera to use with my still existing MFT lens collection

1 upvote
sadwitch
By sadwitch (11 months ago)

Personally use E-P2, E-P3 and OM-D and I definitely prefer the control layout and ergonomics on the pen especially the E-P2.

Glad the recess mode dial is back and they move the easily knocked rear wheel to the front. But i'll rather they stick to the thumb dial for the rear as it think psychologically it's more intuitive and easier to control the 2 dials if they're different in their tactile feel.

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Scott Birch
By Scott Birch (11 months ago)

Oh nice. It's either this or the surely-being-developed Fujifilm XE-2 for me ;)

1 upvote
M Jesper
By M Jesper (11 months ago)

I'd say look at the lenses (and roadmap) first, then decide from there. There will always be a body to go with it, the lenses you can keep.

2 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

The Oly lenses are stupendous. (well, except the 17/1.8, which is just good). The Fuji stuff focuses too slow. If focus isn't an issue, avoid the sensor issues of the former two and get a NEX7 on a tripod and manual focus. Use just anything for lenses.

0 upvotes
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

micahmedia .. from where you brought NEX7 again in this talk about Fuji and Oly :))

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Gryfster
By Gryfster (11 months ago)

The XE-1 just came out Q4 2012. Replacement won't be for at least another 18 months (2 year cycle and IMO the XE-1 is doing well enough that Fuji won't be in a rush to replace it).

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al_in_philly
By al_in_philly (11 months ago)

Too bad the pricing is so high. My guess is that Olympus put it way up there so that it wouldn't take too many sales away from the OM-D, which is needed to rebuild the brand identity. Since it shares so many parts with the OM-D, reasonably impressive economies of scale could be achieved if they move a good number of E-P5s. Had they brought this one out a couple of hundred dollars cheaper, that'd be a guaranteed reality. Then the current OM-D could drop in price too, leaving room for an OM-D E-M6 at the "still accessible" end of the pro-sumer marketplace.

Olympus, if you're listening to me: sell as many camera bodies as you can at a minimal profit and make your real money on the lenses for all of those camera bodies.

12 upvotes
slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (11 months ago)

At least here in Germany OM-D went down by about 200€ a month ago - so the current price is 850€ (body only). Expected price for the E-P5 (body only) is around 1000€ , so it seems like Olympus expects the E-P5 to 'top' the OM-D, or there is new OM-D on horizon rather soon ...

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rusticus
By rusticus (11 months ago)

a superfluous camera, for those who have an OM-D
Buy it to its OM-D a Nikon 1 V1 4K RAW 60fps Camera for 200 Dollar

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 3 minutes after posting
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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

You mean that pathetic little thing with the ugly lump? The point and shoot with interchangeable crappy lenses? No way!
Do you have a clue as to why its price dropped so steeply? Because nobody takes it seriously. And rightly so.

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gsum
By gsum (11 months ago)

That's a weird comment Manuel. The OM-D is quite a pleasant looking camera with good lenses, although it lacks the incredible frame rate of the Nikon 1. Prices of all cameras drop after initial launch.

3 upvotes
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

The 'pathetic little thing with the ugly lump' is the Nikon 1 V1, as everyone else understood at first.
Frankly, I can't see why anyone with a serious interest in photography - as opposed to being a gearhead - should care about such an OTT frame rate. 60 fps to make mediocre pictures? Meh.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (11 months ago)

It seems that V1 keeps getting bashed even at the current price level (way under RX100 for example). Truth is - there are nice and very reasonably priced lenses for it and it is vary cheap way to a very decent video quality. I really see not reason to offend those who decided to get one.

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Soren47
By Soren47 (11 months ago)

The OM-D is an an excellent camera even at its current price point. Gave away a Panasonic Lumix GX-1 - the Olympus is a superior camera. A comment to Manuel - you obviously have never used one.

My other camera is a Nikon D300S with an assortment of lenses. Love working with both cameras. Outstanding images from both. Please actually use something before you post negative comments and then you "may" have some basis for your comments.

2 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

I would be on the V1 in a heartbeat if they hadn't given it the worst controls and interface ever. Seriously, no MF rings, no mode dial...just shoddy. Most could be fixed with a firmware update.

Otherwise, the shape, integral EVF, size, sensor performance--I'm fine with all that. But it's too slow to adjust/change settings.

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gsum
By gsum (11 months ago)

Manuel, yes I know - I was illustrating the stupidity of your comment. If you think the Nikon 1 image quality is poor then you obviously have no experience of the camera. Commenting without knowledge makes you look foolish.
60fps is great for any form of action photography and is a truly useful feature - not a gimmick. I should have thought that would have been obvious to any photographer.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

Gsum, your last reply was completely inadequate. Using terms such as 'stupid' and 'foolish' is unnecessary and reveals you have a fundamental lack of manners and education.
It's just a shame that you aren't intelligent enough to understand a sarcasm, but that is not certainly my fault. Blame it on the way you were raised, on the Internet or the educational system, but please try to look a bit more polite next time. Being on the 'net and addressing to unknown people doesn't give you the right to delve as low as you did.
That said the E-M5 (and henceforth the E-P5) is a superior camera compared to the poor ugly duckling that is the Nikon 1 V1. The mere lack of proper controls is enough to make it that way, but any comparison test confirms that its image quality, while better than most point and shoots, doesn't bring it up to the same level as the E-M5. No frame rate can do anything to help it, and neither does the ludicrous BSS function. (I do have experience with Nikon cameras.)

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rusticus
By rusticus (11 months ago)

I've changed my mind about the V1 fundamental:
- She's not ugly, but beautiful
- It is a very good camera
- The fastest on the market, at all
therefore the best street camera on the market
https://vimeo.com/64891182

1 upvote
Englishman in France
By Englishman in France (11 months ago)

Apart from the price, I am impressed. One of the few products reviews I have ever bothered to write on Amazon, listed the following cons for the E-M5 :
1) Position of ON/OFF switch not quickly accessible
2) base ISO of 200 and max shutter speed of 1/4000s
3) Myset implementation not via the PSAM dial and no toggling through mysets
4) Can only program certain functions to certain buttons.
5) Lots of olympus lenses only available in silver
Olympus do seem to have made the effort and incorporated peoples "wish lists" into their new products, where possible. Now if only they would listen to everyone's comments about not providing lens hoods and sacs in the package.........

15 upvotes
SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (11 months ago)

Oh wait that's an EVF, not chocolate cake!

1 upvote
dpLarry
By dpLarry (11 months ago)

us$1000/1000euros/900british pounds. No lens, no viewfinder. Kinda steep.

Some discounts soon hopefully.

15 upvotes
zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (11 months ago)

by the time it gets cheaper, there would a be new a camera which is more compelling.

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Rupert Bottomsworth
By Rupert Bottomsworth (11 months ago)

A bit OT here but can't DPReview post items in chronological order?

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (11 months ago)

We could if we wanted to, of course. But we don't. It's a conscious editorial decision to help make sure our own editorial content is always most visible.

4 upvotes
monkeybrain
By monkeybrain (11 months ago)

It‘s actually an editorial decision? I always thought it was some timezone weirdness going on. It's a bad policy if you ask me; since your layout is like a blog I expect newest stories to appear at the top, not several posts down. I‘ve missed many stories because of it, particularly when there are many announcements. You should really move to a format more like a newspaper or the bbc news site where you can keep a leading story up that is clearly differentiated from the stories below it.

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neo_nights
By neo_nights (11 months ago)

I have to agree with monkeybrain. Although it's understandable that DPR wants to stick their top story at the top, it does make easy to miss another news as well. Even I have missed some already because of that.

You guys could give a minor layout update to differantiate that 'sticky top post' than the rest. So we users know what and where we're looking for.

4 upvotes
GeorgeZ
By GeorgeZ (11 months ago)

It's not like they have 20 news items per day. For me, this is the least of dpr's problems.

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highwave
By highwave (11 months ago)

I've been going over how Oly could have integrated the EVF and flash in the E-P5 and made it into a direct competitor of the NEX7 (at least form wise) and I think other than losing the mode dial, there just isn't enough space to include EVF and flash. It also seems that the aspect ratio of the APS-C sensor for the NEX7 played to its advantage where both the LCD and EVF are a bit flatter.

You can check out what I'm talking about here: (yes these guys already put up the E-P5)

http://camerasize.com/compact/#33,459,381,ha,b

Also check out how ridiculously huge the GH3 is in comparison.

Surprising, the more I think of what the NEX7 achieved way back then in terms of design, the more I realize how revolutionary it was. And this is coming from someone who owns an OM-D and would never buy an NEX due to the lens lineup failing to impress.

Having said all this, wow I love that E-P5. That 2X2 dial setup is exactly what I want. And the form and design is just amazing.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

The NEX-6 packaged evf, flash, hot shoe, and dials into a package of similar size. The Oly has more dials, but clever overlapping and stacking can fit those in. Oly has just decided that the PEN line uses external viewfinders. Which means I won't be buying one, when competitors include one for the same price.

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wansai
By wansai (11 months ago)

I don't know man. If Sony can put an EVF and a flash on-board the NEX7 using an APSC sensor, I can't see why Oly can't do the same. It points more towards the fact that this is their product strategy. The PEN line simply won't have built in EVF. they'll leave that for the category that the OMD currently sits in - I suspect.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (11 months ago)

Buy a Fuji X100s for less and call it a day. I did. ;)

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highwave
By highwave (11 months ago)

And then duct tape the long range zoom lens you need you'll be set.

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (11 months ago)

@highwave--yep I wish it had a viewfinder.. remove the mode dial-- or just put the flash in front ;-) no pop up ..maybe.. just a compromise..

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Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (11 months ago)

Great idea! Then I could just dump all of my M4/3 lenses cheap on eBay.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

what a joke .. if x100s has any comparison with this one?

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (11 months ago)

"Make it simple...

cut out the 'pen'..."

---Sean Parker.

Oly, everybody knows it's a pen, matey...

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Comment NOT edited at all 35 minutes after posting.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (11 months ago)

I would not be so certain. A lot of people don't even understand what micro 4/3 is. Olympus also makes Stylus and OM-D cameras. There is no reason to assume that everybody knows this one is a PEN.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

However it's very safe to assume that a majority of people couldn't give two damns that it's a Pen.

Stylus...Pen...what next? Pencil? Quill? An underwater Fountain Pen?

I think I'll make a competing line and call it the Sword.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

hehe .. you guys really have this much brain to hate a brand .. so much .. you can even dislike their brand name :))

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

I would advise to go to Robin Wong blog and see his initial impressions after seeing this EP5 camera in person and his first review on it. Also he says the VF4 is a fine viewer and large for a reason for the same reason the FF cameras have bright large viewfinders for people to work better (except this is an EVF instead of OVF) The colours match between viewfinder and LCD. Both of them are more colour accurate than previous cameras including the EM5's EVF. Although large, the VF4 is superior to the EVF in EM5. I would imagine that the next EM6 will get the bit more improved rear LCD in next upgrade, but right now it is here in EP5. See Robin Wong's blog.

Of course how important more accurate colour is in EVF and LCD is relative and depends on the photographer's needs as both are usable. The image captured would be similar with same sensor.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (11 months ago)

Every single Robing Wong impressions of an Olympus Camera since the E-5 is pretty much gloriously positive. I think it's great to get some ideas on the highlights, and I think it's cool he shows some real world photographs, but some material should be taken with some trucks of salt.

The issue is not whether the VF4 is great or not- but if the camera is small and we are shooting for small here, then having a big VF 4 cuts on portability when using it. I think it's fair to point out that the VF 4 is great as well as point out the issue with portability for those looking for small.

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olypan
By olypan (11 months ago)

You still whining about Robin Wong after all these years. He has more talent in his little finger than you can imagine. The man has integrity. Look it up.

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JayFromSA
By JayFromSA (11 months ago)

I agree with Ricardo. For another, perhaps more unbiast view, have a look at Thom Hogan's sansmirror.com. He rightly questions the place of the EP5 and I tend to agree. What exactly, is the point of the EP5? Looks a bit like an OM-D with a built-in flash, but without the built-in EVF. At quite a premium to boot. Makes the OM-D a compelling proposition at this stage...

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olypan
By olypan (11 months ago)

Thom (as I predicted) Hikon. Unbiased? Yeah right.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (11 months ago)

@olypan - I have looked up. If you look carefully, I do give him credit for the good, I just don't think he is not biased. So to you, unless I say nothing but all positives for him- and I do agree he does have his positives, then I am a bad bad person.

I have seen his photography, you don't have to tell me what he has and hasn't. I have my own talent too after all. The issue is not whether he is talented or not. The issue is that everything he writes is all positive towards the brand.

You say he has integrity and so do I. If I didn't, I would not credit him on the good, don't you think? But nothing but gloriously positive words for the Olympus brand will do either right?

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Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (11 months ago)

2 Wongs don't make a wight.

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Eric Hensel
By Eric Hensel (11 months ago)

That would be hilarious, if there were two wongs here...

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (11 months ago)

There are wany more than two people wong here.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

JayFromSA .. EP5 is quite different to EM5, yes same sensor and of course same mount :)) but its PEN!!

On a serious note, its more pocketable (for a bigger pocket), better LCD, WiFi Control, Flash (well personally I hate it) and some other minor tweeks!!

OMD on the other hand other than EVF, got a better sealed body..

So since when more options is a bad thing? I remember when OMD was launched many were complaining about missing flash and ugle hump (you called it EVF), now mostly same are complaining about EP5!!

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Craig from Nevada
By Craig from Nevada (11 months ago)

The pricing of the E-M5 was really a pleasant surprise. A heck of deal.

The pricing of this camera had the opposite effect. I am disappointed

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peevee1
By peevee1 (11 months ago)

E-M5 was not and is not cheap. Let's not pretend it is a good value. Great camera, but not good value. This, after NEX-6, looks like even worse value.
But not everybody is after value.

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Craig from Nevada
By Craig from Nevada (11 months ago)

EM-5 was/is a good value.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (11 months ago)

Sure, lets have a laugh and look up the comments under the em5 announcement.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

EM5 is a great value, NEX though excellent range on its on right, are not weather sealed, got no IBIS for primes, and not as many good lenses natively supported!!

and they are not as beautifully crafted!!

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kayone
By kayone (11 months ago)

Sorry what is 'value' to you peevee1? I think most people define value as 'getting the most for what they can afford'. I could afford the OM-D and felt like I got quite a bit for the price, so to me, the value is good. Was it cheap to me? Of course not, $1K is still a lot of money no matter how much a person earns. Are you using the word 'value' in the place of 'affordability' because I don't think the two should be interchangeable.

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jakeman
By jakeman (11 months ago)

I don't really understand how someone could buy a $1000 camera with no viewfinder in 2013

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samhain
By samhain (11 months ago)

Agreed. Actually, I don't know why anyone would pay $1k for any Micro four thirds camera

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Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (11 months ago)

Touch focus. Something a lot of DSLR users don't get. You tap anywhere on the screen, and it selects that focal point (far more options than the best DSLR), and also take the pic in an instant.
For the record, at first people could not understand a phone without buttons. A phone needs lots of buttons! they would say, but the cool people learned to do more on a simple LCD touch display. Many old folks still don't get it.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (11 months ago)

The question you should ask is why anyone would buy this over any of the Fuji APS-C X cameras, Sony NEX-6, and similar offerings from Panasonic for less.

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citrontokyo
By citrontokyo (11 months ago)

Focus speed, shutter speed, body size, lens lineup, style, Oly JPEG colors, grip feel, touch focus, kit lens, wifi, personal preferences...

I keep having to edit, because I keep finding more things it has over those other 2 cameras. :-)

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (11 months ago)

Citrontokyo, are you saying the oly kit lens(17mm or 14-42) are better vs the the fuji 18-55(neither are not)? Also are you implying that oly color is better vs fuji color(impossible to say, i enjoy both)? Also, i believe I like the style of the xe-1 vs the ep-5 any day.

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JaFO
By JaFO (11 months ago)

for the same reason some people can't understand why others still insist on buying a DSLR when lighter and equally competent alternatives are available ...

( /me ducks and runs for cover ... )

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citrontokyo
By citrontokyo (11 months ago)

I'm saying that the 17mm f1.8 is faster than the zoom of either Fuji or Sony. I'm also saying that many people like Oly colors, which may encourage them to prefer this cam. Again, style, same thing. It's personal.
Basically, writing off a camera like this when it has so much to offer shows how little thought went into the post. Besides style and colors (and other personal preference aspects like feel) you can't seriously debate the richness of the micro 4/3 system, and more specifically, the great design of this camera. Does Fuji have touch AF, or the small size of this cam? Does Sony have the lenses to compete with micro 4/3?
The poster I responded to says basically, "why choose a red car, when you can have a blue or yellow one?"
Pffft! Each camera has it's strong points, and aspects that affect personal preferences. You have to be crazy not to see this.

I say this as a Pentax DSLR shooter.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (11 months ago)

Sounds good

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

Most of the things listed are not unique to this camera or are no better. Oly grips are terrible, much worse than Sony (Fuji's aren't great, either.) Touch focus is available on cheaper Panasonics, some of which also focus faster (not to mention the blazing fast Nikon 1). Sure, it's a nice camera, but similar cameras from other makes are cheaper. The NEX-6 offers almost exactly the same features, plus an evf, for less. About the only major feature Oly offers is the IBIS, and that's not necessarily better in all circumstances. The lens selection is an advantage, but other MFT cameras can also use them. A much cheaper Panasonic G6 has an OLED evf, fully articulated screen, better video specs, and a much more sophisticated WiFi implementation. And equally fast autofocus, touch focus, and access to the same lenses. No IBIS and no goofy writing on the front, but I'd take a G6 every time, for hundreds less.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (11 months ago)

You're missing the point, there is no 'better' in personal preference.

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citrontokyo
By citrontokyo (11 months ago)

M Jesper, thank you. Exactly my point. And in far fewer words.

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pdelux
By pdelux (11 months ago)

5 Axis Stabilisation. If you have never used it you will never know how good it is. Plus it works on all lenses including legacy and in video.

Thats worth a premium i think.

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don_van_vliet
By don_van_vliet (11 months ago)

It could be worse, look at the Sony RX1.

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iShootWideOpen
By iShootWideOpen (11 months ago)

It will be half price in a few months.

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safeashouses
By safeashouses (11 months ago)

That really only works for food.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (11 months ago)

And Panasonics. Oly keeps their prices up pretty well, at least until they discontinue them. You can still buy a new E-PL1 or 2 for peanuts, from mainstream stores. Oly must have overproduced them grossly. Sony prices also stay up, but they have more reasonable list prices to start.

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Vinc T
By Vinc T (11 months ago)

VF-4 pricing is better than I expected! Really tempting!

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Vinc T
By Vinc T (11 months ago)

The kit is quite awesome IMHO! Many people are saying that it is $100-200 too much. So it is not really that bad or out of reach. Shops/Olympus have sales/promotions many times a year. Unless the demand is consistently high like the E-M5, price will come down.

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NalaKing
By NalaKing (11 months ago)

They do not intend to make make people jump ships, they intend to offer alternatives to people who just started photography. Would you rather buy a 700D or a E-P5 ( for about the same price ) The rebel series is really shitty nowadays.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

700D is horrible! why you comparing it with EP5? just the price range?

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NalaKing
By NalaKing (11 months ago)

If not ?! When everyone made their first step into an ' unknown ' region of photography, i bet the first thing that come to mind is $$$$$$$$$

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

for those people .. E-PL5 is a very solid choice! very compact and good value!

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Ybor
By Ybor (11 months ago)

OMG...this camera (even at this price) would have been great about a year ago. To introduce as they have makes it no better than Panasonic putting GH3 sensor into latest down the chain model, making it so yesterday. Add to this that the price is about $100 higher than I anticipated. That said, the kit with the evf and 17 1.8 for $1,499 is a pretty fair deal (even with the not so sharp lens that it is).

If only this would cause a price reduction in the OM-D...like down to $799 for body.

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Ybor
By Ybor (11 months ago)

I intended to say GH2 sensor...
And I should add that the evf is absolutely a freakin' monstrosity that is best avoided.

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safeashouses
By safeashouses (11 months ago)

What i really, really meant was...

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

no clue what you trying to say mate (Ybor)

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pdelux
By pdelux (11 months ago)

OMD sensor (and GH3 sensor) is the current Top of the line generation... so not sure why you are trying to compare it to the GH2...

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

not necessarily buying this one, but its a hell lot of a camera in this small package. Price is bit high, but hopefully in few months time, it will fall!!

A new king to mirrorless, my vote for you Oly for best 2013 camera!!

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Everlast66
By Everlast66 (11 months ago)

Sorry Olympus, we have enthusiasts here, but in this financial climate are kind-of short on $1k enthusiasts!

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

what would you like to get for $1k camera?

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

look at the NEX-6, it has a built in EVF, and it has a correct zoom-lens for that price, it is just one example. Now, you will say that you should then buy NEX-6. Well, that is what I did, but, i opted for NEX-7 when at the shop. It was for me worth the 250$ more.

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citrontokyo
By citrontokyo (11 months ago)

Look at the nice prime kit lens you can get for the Pen. Just curious, how fast is that zoom of yours?

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pdelux
By pdelux (11 months ago)

5 Axis Image stabilisation... this opens a world of opportunities..

Nex7 may be smaller and cheaper... but good luck carrying your tripod around with those manual lenses.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

NEX-6 (not 7) is a very good camera, but please dont try to compare it with this PEN atleast!! other than marginal sensor iQ at highest ISO!

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techmine
By techmine (11 months ago)

Well thanks to Olympus for not breaking my bank. This camera indeed is expensive viz-a-viz the feature set. Next will be omd-6 with wifi and around $300 more than this to build a pseudo range.

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Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson
By Gunnlaugur Gudmundsson (11 months ago)

I like this camera...

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Jim Evidon
By Jim Evidon (11 months ago)

$1000 for the E-P5 body at Adorama plus the expense of the EVF. So it has focus peaking (in B&W only). While it appears to be cosmetically a good looking camera, tell me why I should prefer it over the OM-D which has an excellent EVF and focus peaking using the key line filter selection under Art Filters? Adorama, B&H and others are currently selling the OM-D body for just under $1000. The E-P5 is cute, but no cigar as the saying goes. I'll keep my OM-D.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (11 months ago)

And why should you prefer it over your omd-5 ? You think cameras should be upgraded on a yearly basis?

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

it is not meant to replace your omd5 dude!!

but if you are really keen to see an advantage, it got better touch screen functionality and wifi control and an amzing shutter speed 1/8000th of a sec!!

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Digitall
By Digitall (11 months ago)

Olympus IF you put this camera right now at $600 with kit lens, I shall convert to M43 religion. Want to try? :)

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

they are making E-PLx for budget and is well under 600$

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (11 months ago)

Can you give another example of a range-topping enthusiast model being announced with a list price of $600, then it might sound less like wishful thinking.

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Digitall
By Digitall (11 months ago)

Not yet :)
But for me to get a system that never thought to enter, would be a reasonable price.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

@Digitall Sorry mate now I understand what you meant. So for you special guys (who doesn't want to enter m43) Oly should launch a new pricing scheme?

By the looks of it, Oly completely ignored you folks, this time again .. how bad is that!!

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Digitall
By Digitall (11 months ago)

No problem at all. See my POV, Buying a M43 for that price, cameras and other systems need to be considered. It's all very interesting for those in the M43 system, hand it is a tempting option to enter the system with some perks. Therefore, and having to invest in lenses, this camera starts to be expensive to the displayed price. Other systems may be more tempting based on APS-C format sensor. For me, the M43 has to justify on the basis of price and maneuverability, without these qualities for me the M43 is not justified at all. Preferring systems with larger sensors and the benefits resulting therefrom. Personally I do not change the format APS-C with the possibilities of today's cameras have the ~same size of a M43. Yes, I really like this camera, but not at any price, I think the M43 system needs to captivate more clients, and I think this way it becomes more difficult to justify. Mainly in the U.S. and EU market.

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pdelux
By pdelux (11 months ago)

If you are happy with your large DSLR lenses and bodies then stick with them. When you are ready to go portable then you need to weigh up COST v PORTABILITY/AVAILABILITY v IQ differences.

Only you can decide.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

@Digital, dude!!

OMD-EM5 is one of the best selling camera since its launched, so please don't worry about its sale and captivating clients in US/EU markets :)

APS-C sensor is not must for good photography, it has its advantages and disadvantages .. so pick your camera depending what your needs are, not how big is the surface area of its sensor!

IMHO there are so many good reasons to chose m43 camera over any DSLR of any size of sensor with chart topping sensor scores!!

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Digitall
By Digitall (11 months ago)

I know OMD very well, not by specs, but in my hands and photos. Not mine, from a friend that lent me for a month, but still have the same opinion, thats why I like PEN style. Does the M43 is doomed to 16mp to achieve optimal image quality? We continue to see progress in the bodies and lenses, progress of sensors stopped? ;)

*sure there are many reason to pick-up the m43, but... you see my point.

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igorek7
By igorek7 (11 months ago)

OMD - evf + wifi + 1/8000 + peaking + a few more new features. However, the same "vintage" design, the same lack of improvements in video, the same idea that starting price should be twice more than expected.
Fortunately, the micro four thirds system provides a good choice of the alternative cameras.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

enjoy your cheap aps-c mirrorless camera mate!!
dont worry too much about the fate of m43

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safeashouses
By safeashouses (11 months ago)

This would be really great for $100 but at $1000 it's only great. Someone buy me one so I can stop posting how much it cost... um, how broke I am.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

For every one else who can not afford this, I would suggest EPL5 which is a fine camera for its current price around 550 for body on Amazon or pick the previous EP3 (Amazon has it new body at 369 to 899 from 5 different vendors). Better yet support your local retail camera store for deals.
Why should this cost a lot less then EM5 if it has similar top features or same value at least. Some features here in EP5 are plus or minus from EM5 but both are top quality cameras.

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

you walk beside your shoes, Adrian.

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igorek7
By igorek7 (11 months ago)

@Naveed Akhtar The same story was with the Olympus E-P3, E-M5, etc.: some good design ideas, but poor marketing skills.
"E-P5 just doesn't make any real sense...Olympus' ego is showing more than their product marketing skills" Thom Hogan http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/im-not-sure-i-get-it.html

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

Yes. This camera is compelling to buy. However, still too much for my current budget, and my current PEN offers well enough good quality for my needs. Does not mean I do not think the EP5 camera is worth the features. It is, love the specs, but like others I would have to wait for price drop before considering or maybe get the EPL5 as it still has the new sensor.

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safaridon
By safaridon (11 months ago)

Admin - Do the ' ' brackets around '5 axis' ibis mean electronic image stabilization as is the case with '100 ISO'? Or is this 2 axis IBIS with 3 axis added by electronic simulation??

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

am not admin .. but "5 axis" means physical no software no simulation. the single quotes in English only means two words are related

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gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (11 months ago)

Just get rid of the flash and add a hybrid viewfinder. Call it the E-R1 and sweet m4/3 Rangefinder style camera is born! These would sell like hotcakes.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

this will also sell like hotcake mate .. flash unit is useless for me too .. but hybrid vf will take much more space then this tiny flip-out flash!!

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (11 months ago)

Not much improvement over the E-M5 especially since focus peaking is black or white only. Actually looks worse than the E-M5 with the giant EV-5 bolted to the top.Cost more just because it is newer? I guess that is why E-M5s are not on a big sale.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

DPR, why are some making personal attacks below?

There is no complain button on camera release threads.

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rallyfan
By rallyfan (11 months ago)

Do you mean "flag as inappropriate?" I tried out of curiosity and the option does appear -- in this comment subthread it's under the "Like" button (with the up arrow on the left, the count on the right) and it appears if I hover over the "Like" button.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

You are right. Thanks very much.

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rallyfan
By rallyfan (11 months ago)

No problem.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Marike, keep pouting 'like a man' (your words). Maybe if you stopped forcing your opinions on everyone I would stop enforcing my opinions about you, ever think of that? There are only so many ways I can point out the ridiculous, pointlessness of your comments, in every single article, your 'expert opinion' is not warranted. Express your opinion for sure, but we don't need it over and over and over against every single comment other make. Believe it or not, while this might not be for you, others out there might actually like it and guess what?! Your constant 'opinions' aren't going to change that. So say your piece, stop trying to 'force' it on everyone else who thinks differently to you.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

Not forcing anything on anybody, people here are grown and quite capable of their own decisions.

You've been barking down every commenter on these boards. calling the OMD a "steaming pile". How is that not YOUR expert opinion?

If you can't keep it civil, and avoid personal attacks, you and I are going to have a problem. End of story.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@abortabort

I've been using m43 for years. You want to police these forums get a job on DPR as a moderator. Until that time, keep the conversation about cameras or keep it to yourself.

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veroman
By veroman (11 months ago)

I find this to be a very odd camera release. Same sensor. Nearly the same body ... though improved. But the real issue for me is that, with the oversized EVF (an absolute necessity; I find ALL LCD-as-viewfinder based cameras to be inferior to optical viewfinder cameras) and a lens, these micros ain't so micro anymore. Weight and size are up. Cost is up, too.

$1,400 for body, 17mm lens and big EVF? Wow. I can think of any number of smallish DLSRs that will give me a lot more camera, lens and quality for the same or even less money.

So I don't really understand this release. I guess beauty and value are in the eyes of the beholder. This beholder would opt for something like the weather-sealed Pentax K-30 over this new Oly. (No, I have no relationship whatsoever with Pentax or any other camera/lens maker.)

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Revenant
By Revenant (11 months ago)

It's a long overdue, major improvement of the E-P3, which did not have the same sensor, 5-axis IBIS, 1/8000s shutter speed, ISO 100, focus peaking, a tilting screen, WiFi and several other features the E-P5 has. Agree about the price, though. It seems a bit steep.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

Although, I thought it might have come in at 899 for body to start, I was out by 100 for body. My guess it is intended to compete against Fuji mirrorless with excellent build quality of EP5. Higher price is for earlier adopters who buy. I would expect 50 to 100 off by the summer sales in June/July. Olympus priced it as a statement to say it ranked right up with EM5 in quality and features, not under it, however while it may lack couple of features of EM5, it also gains a few more new impressive features as well, that serious shooters want. Yes?
We, who may be potential buyers, may wish it cost less, but it is worth it based on specs!

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

Can't agree more with you Adrian!!

I also wish if it would be around 700 to 800$ range and in an year time it probably will be! But even at 1000$ it worth every penny. I need to see if this year with EP5 will be better than without it and 300$ more in my bank?

But that's my decision to make on the basis of my financial condition, I can't blame Oly for rleasing such a feature rich camera .. can't spot a missing feature and can't spot an issue!

well done Olly!!

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Sudo Nimh
By Sudo Nimh (11 months ago)

Veroman, you may think this camera is odd, and not understand it, but that's because you think a peephole is an "absolute necessity" and Olympus PEN digital cameras DO NOT HAVE PEEPHOLES. Please, go look at cameras that meet your requirements.

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

you all do not see the reality. This camera is a Pen Update all over. It has a few minor and one serious update in it's features and an amazingly improved update in pricing. In some way a bit more camera for a lot more bucks.

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pdelux
By pdelux (11 months ago)

Compare to EP3

5 Axis -- which PEN had this before
Which Pen had Focus peaking?
which Pen had 1/8000
or ISO 100

This is huge compared to the EP3

Not so much compared to EPL5 but they are of the same Generation.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

Looks lovely. At least with out the thing on top.

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alatchin
By alatchin (11 months ago)

1/8000 of a sec, 1/320 sync speed, new smaller AF point, dual controls, tilt screen, WiFi, direct my mode access, greater flexibility with control setup, ISO 100 (even with a bit of highlight clipping), improved IBIS functionality...

I mean with all the whiners here you would think this was a paperweight.

In terms of price, the $1449 for the kit is a good deal, you get a great prime lens and superb EVF (which you can use on any older PEN models you have). In a few months it will be available for $100, a year later about $200 off.

Question is, do you need anything on that list right now, I can see three that would benefit me easily, 1/8000, 1/320 and smaller AF point would have an impact.

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cocopro
By cocopro (11 months ago)

for what's included in the bundle, I'd rather just get the $1299 X100S, better sensor, MUCH smaller size, 1/2000 sync speed, build-in ND filter, silent shutter, PDAF, and you get an extra OVF for less money.

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alatchin
By alatchin (11 months ago)

I on the other hand may want to benefit from all the extra features with my collection of m43rds lenses.

The x100s is not a substitution for the benefits of an ILC.

On the subject of the sensor, I am not sure it is really "much" better. It has poor support from software manufacturers and is riddles with artefacts. I will take a bit of noise over funny artefacts (personally).

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

And in 12-18 months time the WHOLE X100S will be worth maybe $500. The E-P5 owner can keep his 17mm and VF4 and upgrade just the body. Oh and they won't have to pay lots of money again for that hybrid viewfinder, now worthless in the X100S when the latest X200 is about. (speaking as an X100 owner who's X100 is worth less than a just a 35mm equiv lens in m43's, NEX etc).

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Not to mention that the E-P5 can take, say the 45mm and 75mm as well...

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cocopro
By cocopro (11 months ago)

X100 after 2 year is still over $800, E-P3 after 2 years is like what, $379? Some ppl just bend the truth to defend their camera's brand, just sad

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

cocopro .. x100 is 690$ at amazon used!
e-p3 was a horrible camera for its under-par iQ. om-d is holding its value good and e-p5 will hold its value, as it got a host of new features and i can't distinguish e-p3 from e-p1 enough!!

plus you can't just compare the devaluation .. see what featureset you like .. X100 and x100s are great with its hybrid VF and OMD-E5 or Pen EP5 will be awesome with all its featureset and flexibility of lenses!! so many pros, can't even list here ..

you chose what your shooting style is .. i know i cant live with one fixed focal length! :(

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (11 months ago)

@alatchin- the support for Xtrans is no longer poor from RAW converters.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

@ cocopro - Erm I have both an E-P3 and an X100... Can tell you which has devalued in a shorter space of time and it isn't the E-P3!

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BJN
By BJN (11 months ago)

Meh. You get a more compact camera only if you don't use the add-on EVF. If you do, you have a bigger, bulkier package. And you have fiddly caps that need to cover the vulnerable accessory port behind the hotshoe and the protruding connector below the EVF. Unless you never or rarely intend to use an EVF, go for the better integrated E-M5.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Or if, say, you actually realise how much of a steaming pile the OM-D actually is... Then you might go the E-P5. At least you didn't mention the weather sealing ;)

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (11 months ago)

"steaming pile" AKA winner of the DPReview best camera of 2012 poll.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

And being 'popular' also ensures something is 'the best' right?

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mister_roboto
By mister_roboto (11 months ago)

Cranky much?

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

"Cranky" is one way to put it.

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safeashouses
By safeashouses (11 months ago)

Being the Best is not always the most popular. Is that what you meant to say?

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geoson
By geoson (11 months ago)

There's a saying that the camera adds 10 pounds. I think the same holds true even with photos of cameras. Once people get it into their hands I'm sure its going to be smaller than some of the photos make it appear. No, I don't have one, but that has been my experience with plenty of digicams and every ILC I've seen except the GH-3.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

Although the OMD EM5 is a great camera, the EP5 has nearly all the same features (except weather sealing, and built in EVF) but not everyone needs that and would value a smaller solid built compact camera with a whole lot of options. Also throw in a few more new innovations, better faster AF focusing they claim in press release and what is not to like. Has a built in popup flash which is better than the EM5 method of having to attach and this is a camera of convenience and optimum quality. Worth the price? To some it would certainly be or wait a few months for price sales! This size of camera competes with with some of the Fuji offerings as well.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

EP5
122 x 69 x 37 mm (4.8 x 2.72 x 1.46")
420g

EM5
122 x 89 x 43 mm (4.8 x 3.5 x 1.69")
425g

Virtually the same size and weight. Until you
mount the VF-4 on the EP5.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

When you say 'virtually the same' you obviously have a little trouble with numbers. 89, is actually quite a lot bigger than 69.. relatively speaking.

But Marike, you are right again, bang on. You should probably have mentioned the EVF and weather sealing though, I don't think enough people know about that.

You tilt your head in disbelief... no it is really true. Naw, don't pout, it's ok :P

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@abortabort
No trouble with numbers, you are talking millimeters difference in height! If saving 20 mm is worth losing the VF, you must have extremely specific size priorities.

Adrian said:
people "would value a smaller solid built compact camera with a whole lot of options" vs the EM5.

As I said, the two cameras are essentially the same size and weight. When you mount the VF-4 on the EP5 to give it similar functionality to the EM5, you have a far bigger, bulkier AND more expensive camera. What's so hard to understand about that?

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Yeah, I also said relatively speaking. 20mm isn't much on say, I dunno, 1 big dumb freakish looking jock that pouts. But on a camera that is only 69mm, that is a near 30% increase in a box volume. That IS quite a bit, but I can see how you might have difficulty comprehending that...

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Oh and while being smaller, has about 300% more real estate to hold the camera with. See what the size difference is with the optional grip on the OM-D, then we'll talk.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

@abortabort

You are a real class act, that's all I have to say. But anytime you want my address, you know where to find it. You can come over and I'll show you my masters degrees before I teach you some manners.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (11 months ago)

Yes. I saw a photo of the EM5 next to EP5.
They looked nearly the same except for the hump on EM5. The impression just looks more compact. I have held a EM5 but I actually like EP/L series as I prefer taking photos from LCD anyway at unusual angles and arms length for action (high, low, wide out with screen tilted toward me) and can do so quickly and AF locks fast with beep, so this is my preference in camera (for people photos). I admit others may prefer EM5 and EVF built in as better choice, so now we have 2 choices at similar base body price at least. Pick your flavour! Both are good.
The sun in Canada is not always so bright through the year, like the south, so LCD is fine to take photos here and indoors always fine.
I would think some had hoped price would have been bit lower than EM5 but it is indeed a quality camera with latest tech inside.

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

@ Marike6

when intelligence and reason capitulate, violence is the only language that remains and that people talk. A real Master would never talk this way, since a real master has control about his body and mind. Life is a mirror, and all reflects on all, except if you know how, and if you are able to break the mirror. Man, know thyself? By what you answer to abortabort here, you show that to all on this forum that you don't.

Let's stay objective here and exchange point of view on cameras, not on our personal disparities.

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cmvsm
By cmvsm (11 months ago)

We can get an extensive preview of this thing, but no full Nikon D5200 review. What gives?

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (11 months ago)

The two aren't mutually exclusive. We can work on the D5200 at the same time as previewing the E-P5.

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

This thing? So you clicked on the article, ignored the preview and product to race down to the comments to bitch about the lack of review of a completely unrelated camera... If you love it so much (which you clearly do), why do you need DPR to help justify your love for it? It's a camera, it is WIDELY available in ALL shops. Wanna know more about it? Go TRY IT OUT. Personally I prefer these 'previews' as they give you a look at something you can't easily go check out for yourself!

Thanks Andy and the rest of the DPR crew!

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (11 months ago)

With the EVF it's not compact. With a metal body, it's not light. Why not just buy a DSLR, which has a larger sensor? You can get a really nice DSLR for (less than) $1,500.

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Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (11 months ago)

You can slip off the EVF and fit both in a pocket. Most of the lenses (even the 40-150) easily fit in a pocket too.
You can't do that with a DSLR. You would need to carry a rather large bag to hold the camera and a few big lenses.
Also, what DSLR has focus peaking, 5 axis IBIS, and can be used with virtually any lens ever made?

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Tim F 101
By Tim F 101 (11 months ago)

If I replaced my GH2 with this (and I might), I would use it just like my E-P1: with the Panasonic 20 on it in any pocket other than blue jeans. I learned on an SLR but I work just fine without an EVF.

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T3
By T3 (11 months ago)

EVF is removable. And its still more compact than a DSLR, especially when you consider the lenses. I know first-hand because I'm a Canon APS-C and FF DSLR user who also uses m4/3. For compact and light, I grab my m4/3. No contest.

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marike6
By marike6 (11 months ago)

An E-P5 and VF-4 in your pocket? Seriously? Let's be realistic. This is not a pocketable camera. It requires a camera bag, just like a DSLR. Taking off the VF-4 doesn't make it pocketable. It's barely pocketable with the body cap lens so what's the point? It's not RX100 pocketable, and it's priced like a D7100.

So other than differences in weight, you are not getting more camera for your money with an E-P5. You can buy a D7100 for the price of this camera and you'll have a far more performant camera with a beautiful bright OVF and a wonderfully good AF system.

IBIS and VR are minor conveniences. They mean nothing if your subject is moving, or if like most photographers, you aren't adverse to using a tripod.

As a second camera, it's fine. Not sure it's the best choice for a main body. But you can never win this argument with photographers for whom size is more important than performance. Thing is, the EP5 is not that small.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (11 months ago)

I agree with the comments about except about the tripod. I rarely see anybody using a tripod any more. Giiven that people are used to such an incredibly high level of convenience (auto everything) I don't think you can realistically say "Just use a tripod".

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abortabort
By abortabort (11 months ago)

Well for $1450 you get a $500 lens and a $300 EVF, both of which you can keep when you upgrade. So that makes it a $650 body.

Marike - Good spot on the D7100 there, they have so much in common again, because they are cameras. Just like that great comparison to the Ricoh GR. Really got me thinking man, deep stuff.

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (11 months ago)

@Marike6 There are different definitions of 'pockets'. I take my E-M5 with a pancake lens in my jacket pocket when I ski or am out with the kids. I did a run with the kids last week where I brought the E-M5 with me. No question this camera doesn't have the pocketability of a S90 or something like that - but it IS more portable than a dSLR. I never would have grabbed my 7D, gone for a run and got this shot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/47706598@N08/8716678984/in/photostream.

To me the benefit of this kind of camera is if you make it the ONLY camera you own. Then the slight premium in price pays off as you don't have to own a P&S or run two systems.

Your point about the 7100 are exactly opposite why I like the OM-D as my only camera. It is precisely because I do some video with it that the EVF and IBIS come into their own. For stills, agreed that IBIS is only so valuable.

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zkz5
By zkz5 (11 months ago)

"An E-P5 and VF-4 in your pocket? Seriously? Let's be realistic. This is not a pocketable camera. It requires a camera bag, just like a DSLR. Taking off the VF-4 doesn't make it pocketable. It's barely pocketable with the body cap lens"

Would you like me to post pictures of me putting my GF1 and 20mm (mounted) in my pocket?

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (11 months ago)

and am having my GH1 with 20mm pancake mounted in my jacket pocket. I used to carry EP1 even more convineantly. But my D90 Nikon and even later on D5200 always needed a bag!!

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Shamael
By Shamael (11 months ago)

you all discuss here about things that do not hold the road. A D7100 fits in a pocket too, all you need is a pocket of that size. For sure, a Pen with a small pancake lens fist in a pocket, a NEX-7 with a pancake as well, but honestly, if you real goal is to carry a pocket camera around all time, go for a RX100. If you want a larger sensor, a Nikon A or a Ricoh GR is the way to go. And, in all of those cameras, you have a better sensor than a 4/3. The RX100 equals 4/3 as well in picture quality. So, in the present case, let's be objective on what the camera is, and let's not put too much accent on pocketable, it is, but with some conditions on what lens you use or what the size of you pocket is. Even a Pentax Q has pocket size issues, all depends here again on the lens you use. Any ILS is not made for pocket use anyway.

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Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (11 months ago)

Focus Peaking and 5 axis IBIS.
Finally, a camera perfect for manual focusing!

...and you can use virtually every lens ever made on it. :)

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