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Blackmagic Design creates Pocket Cinema Camera with Raw 1080 shooting

By dpreview staff on Apr 8, 2013 at 18:52 GMT

Blackmagic Design has announced a pocket-sized 1080p movie camera capable of 422 ProRes capture with promises of lossless CinemaDNG to be added via firmware. The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera uses a Super 16 imaging area (around 12.5 x 7.4mm - essentially a 16:9 crop of a 1" sensor - a format for which high-speed sensors are available), and an 'active' Micro Four Thirds lens mount, giving full aperture control of native lenses. The camera can capture footage in Apple's 10-bit 4:2:2 ProRes format Blackmagic promising to add the open, lossless CinemaDNG Raw standard later. The company has said this will cost just $995 and be available from July.

The camera captures ProRes footage at 220 Mbps, allowing it to fit 50 minutes of footage on a 64Gb SDXC card. It offers magnified focus and focus peaking, and can output an HDMI signal with or without overlays for external monitoring. It also includes a LANC connector for controlling record, stop, focus and iris settings, remotely. It also includes mic and headphone sockets, a 12V power input and standard tripod mounts top and bottom to allow flexible incorporation into a shooting rig.


Press Release:

Blackmagic Design Announces Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera

NAB 2013, Las Vegas, USA - April 8, 2013 - Blackmagic Design today announced Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, a beautifully designed, pocket sized digital cinema camera that includes powerful features such as Super 16mm sized 1080HD sensor, super wide 13 stops of dynamic range, built in SD card recorder for Apple ProRes, lossless compressed CinemaDNG RAW capture and active Micro Four Thirds lens mount, all in an attractive compact design for only US$995.

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera will be demonstrated on the Blackmagic Design NAB 2013 booth at #SL218.

Since the original Blackmagic Cinema Camera was launched at NAB 2012, it has been celebrated by industry professionals for its amazing film look and accurate and cinematic color. The new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera has most of the features of its bigger brother, including its feature film look, but has been redesigned with a dramatically smaller size that is less than an inch thick and can be held easily in your hand.

This compact design allows the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera to be used in more situations where a larger camera would not be practical. It’s so small that it can be used in situations in the field where a larger camera could be dangerous. The camera’s film look even allows personal video to be shot with the style and creativity of a motion picture film!

The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera features an industry standard Super 16 sensor size, so it’s perfect when using Super 16 cine lenses via MFT adapters, as the shooting experience is the same as using the same lens on a Super 16 film camera. The 13 stops of dynamic range look of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is almost identical to shooting on a professional Super 16 film camera. The Micro Four Thirds lenses offer a wide range of low cost lenses with amazing image quality, and they are compatible with mount adapters such as PL mounts for large lens and professional motion picture film rigs.

One of the most important features of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is its super wide dynamic range of 13 stops, allowing feature film quality images. A common mistake in the television industry is the assumption that more resolution means higher quality. Most cameras, even ones with higher than HD resolution, can produce"video" looking images that suffer from highlight and black clipping that limits details. Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera's wide dynamic range eliminates this problem and provides film quality with dramatically more detail retained in black and whites in the image. Once the shoot is complete, DaVinci Resolve Lite color correction software can be used to adjust images and take advantage of this extra range in the images.

To eliminate the damage that low bit depth and high compression video storage creates, the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera includes a easy to use SD card recorder that allows the full sensor dynamic range to be recorded in professional ProRes 422 (HQ) format, as well as 12 bit Log RAW lossless compressed CinemaDNG format. These files can be read by high end video software as they are all open standard. In addition to the regular CinemaDNG RAW format, Blackmagic Design will also be implementing a QuickTime wrapper for the open standard CinemaDNG and companion codec, allowing the camera to record in a format that allows RAW editing in popular editing software.

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera has been designed as the perfect companion to editing software such as Final Cut Pro X and Avid Media Composer. Unlike other cameras, which require the use of custom video file formats, the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera includes absolutely no custom video file formats, and every file type included is open standard.

The built in large LCD display makes focus easy, and allows playback of captured files. Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera includes a built in microphone, as well as external jack based mic/line level balanced audio connections. When reviewing recorded clips, audio can be played through the built in speaker and routed through the headphone port or micro HDMI output. The HDMI output includes all camera data such as timecode, transport control, shutter angle, color temperature setting and ASA information overlaid in attractive anti aliased fonts.

"This is an extremely exciting camera and its been amazing to work on. Our original Blackmagic Cinema Camera was small, but this new model is so much smaller than the original, we almost cannot believe it features very similar image quality," said Grant Petty, CEO, Blackmagic Design. "We think customers are going to really enjoy this new model and use it both personally and professionally. It’s going to allow shooting in situations that could never have been achieved at this quality level previously. It’s also going to be the camera that thousands of new up and coming cinematographers use as their first camera for their independent films. It’s going to be exciting!"

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera Key Features

  • High resolution 1080HD Super 16mm sized sensor with superior handing of image detail.
  • Super wide 13 stops of dynamic range allows capture of increased details for feature film look.
  • Compatible with extremely high quality Micro Four Thirds lenses. Compatible with other mounts via common third party adapters such as PL mount and Super 16 cine lenses.
  • Built in SD card allows long duration recording with easy to use media.
  • Open file formats compatible with popular NLE software such as ProRes 422 (HQ) and lossless compressed CinemaDNG 12 bit RAW. No custom file formats.
  • Features all standard connections, including mini jack mic/line audio in, micro HDMI output for monitoring with camera status graphic overlay, headphone mini jack, LANC remote control and standard DC 12 power connection.
  • Built in LCD for camera settings via easy to use menus.
  • Supports 1080HD resolution capture in 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97 and 30 fps.
  • Compatible with DaVinci Resolve Lite color grading software.

Availability and Price

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera is available in July for US$995 from Blackmagic Design resellers worldwide.

Comments

Total comments: 188
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MMitchellorg
By MMitchellorg (11 months ago)

Worth it if I own a EM5 OMD for video?

Or a waste

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mimstyle
By mimstyle (10 months ago)

OMD is great for video too

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joyarddog
By joyarddog (Apr 17, 2013)

my question would be if it had an angle adjustable display that swiveled out?if i'm hand holding at a low angle, would i be able to angle the screen so i could see what i was shooting without having to get on my belly....

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Davidgilmour
By Davidgilmour (Apr 14, 2013)

But can it also take pictures?

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foocando
By foocando (Apr 12, 2013)

Where this Blackmagic pocket cinema camera is made???? I hope it is NOT china???
Does anyone know where it is made???

Very tempting to pre-order one to work with my Olympus primes lenses on my OMD Em5 camera.

Thank you

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pictureAngst
By pictureAngst (Apr 13, 2013)

What's the problem with China?

When will people drop the stereotyping and realise that with automated production nowadays, a factory could be located on a desert island in the middle of nowhere and still produce high quality products.

...and that's in no way detracting from the skills of Chinese workers, which I'm sure on par with anywhere else.

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Paul3000
By Paul3000 (10 months ago)

Seriously! Does anybody say "iPod! iPhone! Made in China!? No way!" I believe that it's the contracting company that sets the specs and tolerances, and 'China' just follows the instructions. You want cheap? You got it! You want better? You got it! It will just cost a little more.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

is there any OM-D/E-M5 not made in China?

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (4 hours ago)

yabokkie ... sister this is the first time I read your message and felt good.. bless you!!

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LennyMangini
By LennyMangini (Apr 11, 2013)

Wow, this thing looks terrific.

Guess I don't have to hold-out for the GH5 after all :)

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KAllen
By KAllen (Apr 10, 2013)

I've placed an order. No doubt it will be far from perfect. Now to find the best lenses for the job.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (Apr 10, 2013)

Question will it use the MFT Lenses' OIS?

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KAllen
By KAllen (Apr 10, 2013)

I wondered that too. I have a feeling it will not.

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JeanPierre Martel
By JeanPierre Martel (Apr 10, 2013)

Probably yes for the Panasonic lenses that have a on/off switch but I don't know about those (like the Lumix 14-42mm pancake) without it.

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Apr 10, 2013)

OIS would drain the battery. As it is the battery is rated at 1 hour (probably more like 45 minutes).

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John Brawley
By John Brawley (Apr 21, 2013)

IS works if the lens has it.
jb

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Apr 10, 2013)

32GB SD card will hold 7.5 min of RAW video.
1TB hard drive will hold around 4 hours of RAW footage.

Just something to think about.

Source: http://vimeo.com/63675961

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probert500
By probert500 (Apr 29, 2013)

According to blackmagic a 64gb card holds 50 minutes of raw footage - using my math skills I think you're off by a factor of 4.

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fachry aruwija
By fachry aruwija (11 months ago)

You right (ssh33), but it's happen in 4k resolution..

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jacketpotato
By jacketpotato (Apr 10, 2013)

http://vimeo.com/55887965

Would the OMD like 5 axis Image Stabilisation helped ?

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (Apr 10, 2013)

Wow. R.I.P. Panasonic GH3 and Canon 5DIII. No...they'll still need shallow DOF stuff so the Canon stays.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Apr 10, 2013)

I pre-ordered it from B&H to use with my MFT , APS-C and full frame lenses . I have the Sony NEX-VG900 that works great with my APS-C and full frame lenses so this should work great with my MFT lenses like the 25mm F0.95 Nokton.

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AlexeiD
By AlexeiD (Apr 9, 2013)

Original video from Blackmagic Pocket Camera:
http://fil.io/FL5kh/Footage%20from%20Blackmagic%20Pocket%20Cinema%20Camera

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AlexeiD
By AlexeiD (Apr 9, 2013)

It seems that video is taken from https://vimeo.com/63633989 which was uploaded 16 hours ago.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (Apr 10, 2013)

That video is not from the compact Blackmagic Pocket Camera.
http://www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?3477-Can-anyone-confirm-if-this-is-a-footage-from-BM-Pocket-camera

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Apr 9, 2013)

Info on the sensor from EOSHD.COM

It is a square 2048 x 2048 (4MP) sensor capable of 1080p raw. It can do a maximum of 180fps at full resolution, in 10bit colour. In 12bit it can do up to 37fps. Despite the small size of the sensor the lower 2K resolution means the photosites are as large as on the Super 35mm Production Camera sensor at 5.5 x 5.5 μm2.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/10091/more-details-on-global-shutter-and-possible-blackmagic-sensor-supplier-cmosis

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PICSTAR
By PICSTAR (Apr 9, 2013)

Can you frame-grab stills from this camera that will look high res?

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Apr 9, 2013)

Your phone takes better pictures.

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PICSTAR
By PICSTAR (Apr 9, 2013)

Thanks.

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AshMills
By AshMills (Apr 9, 2013)

Depending on your definition of "better"

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Lin Evans
By Lin Evans (Apr 9, 2013)

Does it have an EVF or one available? If the LCD must be used for fine focus adjustments and framing in bright sunlight this will never fly. I've yet to see an LCD which can be used with the sun at one's back for fine focus adjustments regardless of the type of anti-reflection materials used.

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Apr 9, 2013)

With this tiny sensor you can just shoot hyperfocal. The target audience will have a monitor hooked up to it. You could also use a Z-Finder or something similar with it. This "Pocket" NEX-lookalike will confuse a lot of people.

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Apr 9, 2013)

Oh yeah, it has focus peaking like NEX.

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Lin Evans
By Lin Evans (Apr 9, 2013)

But that defeats the purpose according to their own advertising (having a monitor hooked to it). Even with focus peaking you have to be able to "see" the display. I think an EVF of some type is almost a no-brainer for this type device. Without it, it's not going to be terribly useful for many daytime applications.

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ssh33
By ssh33 (Apr 9, 2013)

Handholding this thing with a pancake is going to be highly awkward - there is no space for your thumb, so you have to hold it from under the lens - smallish pancakes are not gonna balance well. You'd want to have a minimal rig to be comfortable. L flash bracket with a side handle and a shoe for an external mic comes to mind. It really wants to be on a tripod in a proper rig.

Pocket CC is really a pro backup or B/C cam and a godsend for a filmmaker on a budget. Judging by the price point and the mount this is a direct nod to GH2 hack community that's willing to put up with freezes, spanning issues, instability for the sake of the quality gain that 95% of the viewers would not even notice. Pocket CC will perform the best in a well controlled environment.

Cy Cheeze below is right about the cards, battery (1hr) huge files, NLE - stay away if all you want is "good video" - get a GH3, NEX or a modern Nikon/Canon DSLR - cheaper, faster, more versatile and these take good pictures to boot.

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DavidsfotosDotCom
By DavidsfotosDotCom (Apr 9, 2013)

What software & hardware is Necessary & how much does it cost to get the best (or more) out of this camera?

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John Koch
By John Koch (Apr 10, 2013)

The article says that you need FXPX or Media Composer. But "to get the best" probably entails having a wonderful screenplay, great actors, exotic location, exquisite music, and a substantial crew of "grips," sound people, and editors. Oh, and money too.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Apr 9, 2013)

Available in July? How many units? 14 perhaps? BM doesn't have exactly a Toyota Motor history of mass production.

Looks like a "concept" camera, meaning a proto-type that BM might bring to production, if they can attract the necessary capital, or arrange for a contract with a firm with a means to pull it off.

75mbps RAW or decompressed video shot with pocket camera is something of an oxymoron: you'd burn up SDXC cards fast, cause the sensor to sizzle, and have a dead battery in no time, all for the sake of huge files you can't edit without a high-grade NLE and workstation--and whose output, when viewed on YT at 5mbps on a small screen, won't draw any more "wow" than what your kid shot with his iPhone.

Still no <$2k camera that shoots 4k video. Not many UHDTVs to view it, true, but it would be video one could crop and not cause lousy IQ.

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Jonne Ollakka
By Jonne Ollakka (Apr 9, 2013)

-1.

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Chekr
By Chekr (Apr 10, 2013)

"Still no <$2k camera that shoots 4k video."
A truly first world problem - oh the humanity

On SD Card sizes - 256GB available for a year - 512GB coming in the next 12 - 18 months.

Oh and BMD do not need capital injections to make this camera, they are a sizeable global operation.

Sensor "sizzle" - where did you pull that from?

Where do do i stop correcting your diarrhoea of totally baseless assertions? Go back to shooting video on your iPhone an leave commenting to people who have somewhat of a clue.

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John Koch
By John Koch (Apr 10, 2013)

Yeah. Don't bother with "corrections." Why have any doubts? Why think? Who needs brains? Just look. What a doozey!
http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/BMCC_small_plus_LPT1.jpg

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Apr 10, 2013)

Chekr: according to companycheck.co.uk, as of June, 2012, the firm had £2,7 million in debts, against £85k in net worth, which is quite tiny. Whether the (OZ?) pty parent has more dough, or makes money, might be interesting to know. But, absent public sources, how to know? Camera manufacturing, in general, is a tough row to hoe. Avid's losses and SEC troubles show that software is difficult business too.

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John Brawley
By John Brawley (Apr 21, 2013)

BMD make everything themselves aside form the obvious things like the sensor or battery. They make the boards, the place the components on the boards the do all the machining. They don't outsource at all. They do it all in-house.

jb

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jacketpotato
By jacketpotato (Apr 9, 2013)

Hope they add titl screen for low angle & weather sealing, resistance in next version.

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Cindy Wu
By Cindy Wu (Apr 9, 2013)

Does anyone know if the Production Camera will capture at any resolutions other than 4K and 1080p? [http://cnp-keythai.com/]

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Denys Finney
By Denys Finney (Apr 14, 2013)

Yes, check the preview on this site!

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KAllen
By KAllen (Apr 9, 2013)

This challenges so many markets, from GoPro to Pro HD cameras at a pocket money price.
I'm sure it's a camera with limitations you will have to adapt too, but that Pro Res file will be worth the sacrifice.
Blackmagic show what can be done when you are not trying to protect a market share, like Canon do when they add video to a DSLR.
It just shows how we get royally ripped off by the others. If BM can do this for this money I'm pretty sure Canikon could do it at even better value.
The video from my Sony RX100 is as good as my 1D X in practical terms.
I see it as a nice two finger salute to Canon and the others.
i've just ordered one, worth a gamble on the negatives I reckon.
The 4k looks good value too, 1D C anyone? Nah thought not.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Apr 9, 2013)

Dpreview, take a look at how gizmodo covered this press release, and learn a thing or two from them. http://gizmodo.com/5994043/blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-raw-video-in-the-palm-of-your-hand-for-1000

Notice the photos they included, versus the single one you put up. Their blurb actually seems to have a pulse, as opposed to the clinical description you offer at the top, which may as well have been written by a machine. Then there is a link included for the official press release, so that we can just go and read the sea of marketing speak over there if we wish, as opposed to having to scroll down through it here only to find that you included no other pictures.

You included a list of highlights, which is nice. However, Engadget has a whole hands-on posted in the meantime. Perhaps you could step it up? I'm trying to help here.

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epambos
By epambos (Apr 9, 2013)

Second motion that!
DPReview seems to be getting less and less right
as months go by. Hence, I find myself visiting the
site less and less, which is a shame. Please focus
on great reviews like you used to do before...

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Apr 9, 2013)

I have a great idea. Why don't you, Camediadude, go to the event, do a hands-on review, write it up really nice the way it ought to be, then post it online for everyone to read for free. And do it for all products that are announced. We would appreciate it. No complaints from me ever, promised.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Apr 9, 2013)

Pay me and I will.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Apr 9, 2013)

How much did you pay dpreview?

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Apr 9, 2013)

I am sure Amazon is paying them well enough.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 9, 2013)

I wrote this and every minute I spent on it was time taken away from finishing the GF6 preview and GH3 review.

Which of those two should I spend less time on to flesh-out a video story?

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Apr 10, 2013)

I did not mean to insult, ok sorry, I should not have been so harsh in my critique. But (there's always that 'but' there, isn't there) I really do mean to nudge nudge point out how these press release posts can be definitely improved upon in various ways, and it would not necessarily take all -that- much more time! But I realize that you guys are swamped, ok point taken. Perhaps Amazon -does- need to pay you more and hire an extra hand. If we have ads here to help pay for that, I would not mind it. There is always room to improve! (I know from my own experiences, I have a lot of work to do myself lest anyone think I consider myself to be beyond criticism)

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 11, 2013)

Thanks for the clarification. I agree with much of what you say - we'd all like to be able to spend more time on stories like this (If Blackmagic can deliver on this, it'll really shake the market up), but it's not always possible.

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jacketpotato
By jacketpotato (Apr 9, 2013)

Possibilities Possibilities .... homebrew documentary, nature, travel, wildlife, short movies, short tv series.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Apr 9, 2013)

For those worried about wide angle - easy, get a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 with Metabones SpeedBooster for m43. There you have a nice, wide, f2 zoom for under $1000. Add a couple cheap primes at the same time and you have a great little production kit.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Apr 9, 2013)

This is a win win for consumers.

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LeonTheremin
By LeonTheremin (Apr 9, 2013)

I really like that they're doing this. Video cameras for video and still cameras for stills. No more line skipping DSLRs. Canon really needs to jump on this sub $1K HD-video-optimized-interchangeable-lens-bandwagon. They'd be geniuses if they do. Everyone would buy 2 cameras from them. Now lets see some sample shots of distant power lines against a graded blue sky!

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (Apr 9, 2013)

Damn. My DSLR video capabilities just got punked.

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kerensky20
By kerensky20 (Apr 9, 2013)

I'd get this without breaking a sweat. Lenses for this would cost more than the camera itself.

With that crop factor, I expect the sales of the 12-35 going up. of course, cheaper alternative would be the tokina 11-16, but that means you pretty much shoot at about 2 focal lengths. =P

the 0.95 primes now become 50mm (17.5), and 75mm (25). still usable, i'd say.

expect backorders to stretch over 6 months.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Apr 9, 2013)

Will this do the software correction for the lenses prior to encoding?

Many of the m43 lenses require significant software correction to remove distortion. There are a handful of lenses with low distortion (for example the 2 45mm's, the 25/1.4 and the 75/1.8, perhaps the 12/2) but most of the rest will need correcting.

If the capture is only 1920 x 1080, wont there will be noticeable resolution loss with some lenses due to the severity of the distortion?

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Keith Lommel
By Keith Lommel (Apr 9, 2013)

An excellent question. I'm hoping further details will be forthcoming soon.

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micronean
By micronean (Apr 9, 2013)

I wonder if it'll be at all visible, or relevant, to movie viewers though. It's much easier to catch such lens irregularities when you're looking at a still picture at 16MP res. compared to a scene (and perhaps background) constantly moving at 1080.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Apr 10, 2013)

Mainstream raw converters correct the distortion during conversion so relatively few people ever see how bad it is. But pre-corrected distortion can be very extreme, almost like a fish eye in some cases and would be very noticeable if uncorrected.

You can use a dcraw based raw utilities to view the uncorrected files, but for some lenses it's best to avoid eating for a least a few hours before viewing ;-)

With such distortion resolution loss is unavoidable.

However, I've since read the sensor is 2k x 2k. And from that snippet I'm now guessing:

a) BMCC will probably correct for distortion.
b) The distortion will lead to a resolution loss with some lenses.
c) But in reality it's probably not a big deal.

Just use the cost savings from the camera to buy the good lenses with low distortion. And even for the more distorted lens, some resolution loss away from the centre will be acceptable anyway.

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Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (Apr 9, 2013)

I think attaching the BM Cine camera to the bottom of the OMD via the dual 1/4" tripod mount would be cool to get film and stills from almost the same position. Use the same lenses.

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Ausphoto2011
By Ausphoto2011 (Apr 9, 2013)

Hopefully with this release and more from black magic we'll see lens makers investing more into the m43 market to cater for wider angle shots on smaller size sensors... one can only hope after seeing all those once cheap c mount lenses skyrocket in price after the release of the BMCC

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (Apr 9, 2013)

I see Hollywood buying a lot of these.

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flaviofilho
By flaviofilho (Apr 9, 2013)

Many very different perspectives in a single wonder little camera.
That's revolution. And I love it.
@hammerheadfistpunch: I agree it COULD be a B cam. But for many, and I include myself, it could be a A cam, if you think from a 16mm cinematographer. ;)

@graybalanced: You are right... I see many people complaining so much about talking so much about the camera BODY, but forgetting about the LENSES! This is what actually makes me excited about this little devil.

Well, at least excited up to the LIMIT of wide angle 16mm lens i could use. As opposed to S16mm... Hopefully adapters would do a good job and crop factor would be minimum. (as far as I got) given is a 3x cropped sensor?

Not sure if the actual chart of lens range 16mm x s16mm used on full frame sensor film cameras would work as reference? Any thoughts guys?

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (Apr 9, 2013)

and the sound you hear is the Digital Bolex imploding over at Kickstarter http://www.digitalbolex.com/

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kryten61
By kryten61 (Apr 8, 2013)

So watched the video from NAB and the guy states this camera will not shoot RAW. DP review are saying it does?
Guy states SD cards are not capable of accepting the data rate, which is what I would have thought.
So the DP review headline is misleading. Raw would only be capable with some external device is this correct?

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Apr 8, 2013)

upgradable via future firmware, likely to an external USB3.0 or thunderbolt drive (from what I hear) so no pricey recorder, just cheap fast external ssd drives

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kryten61
By kryten61 (Apr 8, 2013)

Thanks for the reply, again watching the video there is no external data output port. Only the HDMI port?
So Lanc, DC in, Audio in and out and HDMI?

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 8, 2013)

Blackmagic is certainly claiming that CinemaDNG support will come - so I'm surprised by those comments in the video.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/techspecs

No details of how it would output raw data.

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Ausphoto2011
By Ausphoto2011 (Apr 9, 2013)

so does this mean to record the 220mbps 422 we need to shoot to an external recorder?

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Apr 9, 2013)

No - ProRes 422 is to SDXC cards. (220Mbps is /only/ 29MBps - if you use the 1GB=1,000,000 bytes logic that card makers usually do).

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Apr 8, 2013)

Forget this as any kind of still camera or the comparisons to such, this is a cinema "B" camera. Yeah its got a 3x crop, but for $1000 you can get 13 stops of DR with the codec and color space to take advantage of it, a great system of lenses that work out of the box and it will fit in a pocket (sans lens). the 12-35 (24-70) becomes a 36-105 f/2.8 (for light) and its stabilized and thats plenty for a "B" camera. Honestly, I never shoot wider than 34 mm equiv. anyway. and there are still wider lenses like the 7.5(22.5) , 8(24) , 9-18(27-54)
For people who complain about the crop factor, or the lack of resolution and frame rates, or whatever...let me remind you. $995. That's less than one good quality 1x1 lite panel, and im sorry but if this delivers half of the promises, it will be worth every penny. The GH2 and 3 are nice, but you will never get the kind of DR or color uniformity from those 4:2:0 12 stop cameras as you will from this. I can't wait to get my hands on one.

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drawer77
By drawer77 (Apr 8, 2013)

what do you mean by DR

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Apr 8, 2013)

Dynamic range, The GH2 had about 10.5 stops and the GH3 has about 11. Each stop is a huge deal, if you have marveled at the range difference between the 2 and 3, this is that range increase...twice again.

see this example.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera

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RonHendriks
By RonHendriks (Apr 8, 2013)

Impressive camera!

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Ausphoto2011
By Ausphoto2011 (Apr 8, 2013)

Yeah sure, its a good looking small powerful camera. But at the end of the day you're still stuck with a terrible crop factor even worse than the BMCC. Goodbye Wide angle shots... you can forget it with this. However, Still intrigued to how the video will look from it.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 8, 2013)

So how come Super 16 film users manage to get wide shots... because there are lenses available and they can be used on this camera.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Apr 9, 2013)

Decades of Super 16 filmmakers are probably wondering how anyone can call this camera "terrible" and incapable of wide shots...

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Ausphoto2011
By Ausphoto2011 (Apr 9, 2013)

I never said the camera was terrible. 13 stops is incredible and 220mbps 422 is a godsend, All I was saying was for an active m43 the options with native m43 lenses producing a wider image will be difficult & to find good c mount lenses is becoming increasingly more and more difficult & expensive with releases of cameras like this and others. With a bit of luck it'll give companies a bit more incentive to produce more wider angle/fast lenses for smaller imaging circles. One can only hope...

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LeonTheremin
By LeonTheremin (Apr 9, 2013)

Wide angles are for surf and skate videos. They've got the GoPro for that. A lot of great films are comprised of many close up and Medium shots, lots of coverage, and great editing. A film teacher I had plays Searching for Bobby Fischer every semester for his students to show how we can make a great dramatic film by doing just that without spending tons of money. Plus you save money by not having to dress a huge set. And it doesn't hurt to have a creative lighting person. Wide angles are best used for quick establishing shots, with a crop factor like this all you gotta do as the DP is back up some. People can totally tell great stories through cinema with this camera. Now if they'll only show us where the SD card goes. It doesn't show in the schematics on their site.

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LeonTheremin
By LeonTheremin (Apr 9, 2013)

list of movies shot on the super 16 format http://shotonwhat.com/apertures/super-16-camera-aperture

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Plastek
By Plastek (Apr 9, 2013)

Awesome. Only why limit yourself to tiny sensor when you can buy super32 or larger sensors these days relatively easily?

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RestyF
By RestyF (Apr 10, 2013)

"Now if they'll only show us where the SD card goes. It doesn't show in the schematics on their site."

It's on the battery compartment door.
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/design

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 8, 2013)

By some of the comments about below like the "many consider the GH2 better" I get the impression some are not really sure what the Black Magic Cameras are capable of. So here a quick look at a travel type video:

https://vimeo.com/55887965

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Apr 8, 2013)

as the owner of several hacked GH2's I am SO excited by this. Finally12 bit and 4:4:4 color space! plus actual DR! Anyone who has shot sky with an 8 bit 4:2:0 like the Panasonic's is chomping at the bit to finally banish those gradient halos for good!

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drawer77
By drawer77 (Apr 9, 2013)

Whatever camera this footage was made with is a magnificent camera

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javidog
By javidog (Apr 9, 2013)

Thanks for posting this link. The video looks fantastic but every time something like this is posted it is very suspicious. There is no doubt this camera is exceptional but for this guy to declare that he just happened to casually go on holiday with his wife and matter-of-factly brought along his BlackMagic camera along with all that gear is BS. Having been in production for 20+ years this is BS. This guy should come clean and say "hey--I work for such and such production company with X amount of assistants or I work for BlackMagic and this is a promo video." This would make this incredible video go down easier. NO ONE is capable of producing this on their own while on holiday with wifey. Still, this camera, and its potential, blows way past any GH2 or 3. The results are incredible.

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Daniel Schapiro
By Daniel Schapiro (Apr 9, 2013)

What a great video! Do you use a tripod or some kind of support for the stability? There is almost no shake. And of course, the resolution (but that's on the camera). Anyway, very nice. Wish I could do such things.

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Keith Lommel
By Keith Lommel (Apr 9, 2013)

@javidog: I see no reason why this guy is BS. Three lenses, a monopod, a stabilizer, and a camera is not at all unreasonable for an enthusiast to bring with him on vacation. And everything he shot is available light, with no audio, so I see no need for assistants or crew. With a bit of talent and a reasonably patient wife, I see no reason he couldn't be capable of doing this.

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Archiver
By Archiver (Apr 9, 2013)

@javidog and Keith Lommel. I agree, it's not unusual for an enthusiast to bring a backpack full of L-lenses on holiday. so it's not out of the question for an enthusiast to bring a monopod, three lenses and a stabilizer on holiday. I've carried a backpack full of M-mount and Oly lenses with a M9 and OM-D. All I'd need is a monopod and I'd have a very similar gear footprint.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 9, 2013)

@javidog

There are thousands of videos on Vimeo, one man or woman productions. All you need is the right gear, a slider, glidecam or tripod and a camera.

The original BMCC is quite small and not hard for one operator to handle. Cheers.

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javidog
By javidog (Apr 9, 2013)

I hear you guys. I want to believe because it looks so good but the evil cynic in mean smells something. I am not doubting his skill. Very well done.

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highwave
By highwave (Apr 8, 2013)

As of this post this cinema camera generated 60 posts while it's more expensive 4K sibling with rolling shutter generated 5 posts

That's 12X more posts for this little thing.

I wish I wasn't such a newb on cinema cameras so to figure out why it generates such interest.

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chris_j_l
By chris_j_l (Apr 8, 2013)

It's called "shed painting" - it's simpler, more people can grasp the limited feature set and everyone has an opinion on what colour the shed should be painted. The 4k beast addresses an area of cinematography that most people are uncomfortable in and so they won't comment.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 8, 2013)

"it's simpler, more people can grasp the limited feature set"

Or maybe because this camera is $995 and the 4K BMC with the global shutter is $4000.

When DPR has news stories about Zeiss or Canon Cinema lenses, you look at them but their price make them a bit daunting for the average photographer or videographer. As such, they don't generate the kind of interest that more affordable products do.

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (Apr 9, 2013)

These cameras seem to be in different leagues, the Super 35 is substantially larger, as are the lenses for it of course, and it is likely best at home on a dedicated video mount of some sort. I imagine it is a good bit heavier and it would surely need a sizable case to hold it and all of the lenses and paraphernalia that shooting with it would require. The Super 16 is pocketable like many micro 4/3 cameras are, intriguingly obtainable, and much more accessible as mentioned above! A different sort of investment for different sets of applications. Both are drool-worthy ... But I agree that the larger sibling might seem kind of intimidating, and out of reach for most of us.

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leafinsectman
By leafinsectman (Apr 8, 2013)

This looks like a sweet camera. I'm gonna have to get those fast zooms from Panasonic along with this.

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Gevorg
By Gevorg (Apr 8, 2013)

Just desided to get GH3 and.. Surprise :)

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LeonTheremin
By LeonTheremin (Apr 9, 2013)

Hold on to it. It'll take Better stills than this because it was designed for stills and this was designed for 1080p movies. I reckon that the Pocket Cinema Camera will only be able to take 2 megapixel pictures. Then you can use this for video, your GH3 for stills and have one set of lenses. Now if only Canon would make a $1K camera with a sensor dedicated to only video, people can stick to their 7D range for stills and get a proper movie camera that doesn't skip sensor lines. They would sell 2 cameras to everybody.

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amanieux
By amanieux (Apr 10, 2013)

about gh3 vs bmpcc does someone know if bmpcc data (220Mbps in prores hq) has more image information than the 72Mbps in h264 of the gh3 (information= bitrate*compression ratio of the codec used).

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Tim F 101
By Tim F 101 (Apr 8, 2013)

Great news for micro 4/3. Sounds like a killer app for people who want to do great video with minimal (sized) gear. The GH3 will do just fine, since this little thing does not look like a great tool if you also want to take great still pics (or at least the best that the m4/3 lens mount can deliver).

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MichaelKJ
By MichaelKJ (Apr 8, 2013)

This will probably hurt GH3 sales since some people will prefer its video capabilities and opt to go with separate cameras for stills and video.

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micronean
By micronean (Apr 9, 2013)

The flipside would be that more people will pick up panasonic m4/3 lenses. I'm sure that's what they're hoping, anyway

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 8, 2013)

10-bit 4:2:2 ProRes footage at 220 mbps? Wow. I'm in as well. The form factor looks great and it has a versatile mount.

Yikes, I knew I'd regret selling my C-Mount Cine lenses. Try buying them on Ebay nowadays and you'll get sticker shock because the new Digital Bolex and the BMCC has made them extremely hot items. Previously near obsolete 16mm lenses like the Kern Switar are now selling for big bucks.

But yes, this is an extremely exciting product and a fair price consider all you get.

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (Apr 9, 2013)

Speaking of the Digital Bolex, I wonder if this camera will just suck the life out of it?

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plasnu
By plasnu (Apr 8, 2013)

Nice design.

Olympus should make this kind of modern designed body.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (Apr 8, 2013)

Looks like a nex. I would say it works but not elegant.

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petr marek
By petr marek (Apr 8, 2013)

OMG, this small puppy is the best thing since GH2!
Exactly my dream camera. Full HD RAW, active M43 mount with any lens compatibility via adapters, affordable. Thank you Blackmagic, I´m in! Global shutter next year?:))

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amanieux
By amanieux (Apr 10, 2013)

there is no raw yet it will come later they say and it will be compressed (lossy) because the sd card write speed can't handle such high bitrates anyway. and how much information will there be left after this lossy compression ?

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Artmech
By Artmech (Apr 8, 2013)

This camera ticks nearly all the HD video boxes for me.
Real competition for the GH3.

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amanieux
By amanieux (Apr 10, 2013)

the gh3 supersamples the 2Mpixels from a 16Mpixels, the bmpcc will have no supersampling at all, how will it compare for the resolution details ? though noise in lowlight may be better as pixels are bigger on the bmpcc (bmpcc sensor is half as small but there are far less pixels ) but they did not give specs on light sensitivity so it must not be that good.

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Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (Apr 8, 2013)

So will panny image stabilization work?
The 12mm looks sweet on it.

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Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (Apr 8, 2013)

It seems the IS does work. 4/3 to M4/3 lenses just got a boost in price.

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pdelux
By pdelux (Apr 9, 2013)

Great higher Lens prices for M43 users -- just what we need =(

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Artmech
By Artmech (Apr 9, 2013)

Active Micro Four Thirds
The active MFT lens mount lets you use native Micro Four Thirds lenses with electronic lens control.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Apr 8, 2013)

I have a feeling that Black Magic is the next "GoPro". They will sell a ton of cameras to everybody and their brother. However, after the newness wears off everyone will realize that you still have to put a lot of effort into it to get it to look like their promo videos.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 8, 2013)

The Black Magic camera could not be more different than fixed focus type action cameras like GoPro. These are high end cinema cameras with huge DR, 12-bit RAW, m43 and EF mounts, and more. But knocking either the BMCC or GoPro because you can't just point them at something and magically produce professional level footage is kind of like criticizing a car because you need to learn how to drive it.

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Apr 8, 2013)

The gopro is cheap and inflexible, the BMC cameras are cheap and massively flexible, that's the difference. This camera was MADE for getting the best out of it. I do see these being used in POV or tight spots though.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Apr 9, 2013)

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the company was like GoPro not the camera. GoPro offered a unique new product at an affordable price. Everyone went out and bought them. Now a lot of people are complaining when the camera doesn't magically transform their footage into an Epic film. I think that Black Magic(The company) will follow in a similar path.

GoPro investors got rich. I suspect BM investors will as well. Both companies make excellent products. However, you have to know what you are doing in order to get great results.

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 9, 2013)

You have to know what you are doing with ANY camera. but lots of people are producing awesome stuff with the GoPro cameras. But if some bought the GoPro thinking their videos would magically look like the GoPro promo video, which was produced on a huge budget with a helicopter, then it's their fault not GoPro's. The same will be true of the BMC.

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jorden mosley
By jorden mosley (Apr 8, 2013)

Man, the GH3 not only has to compete with EM-5 on the stills end, now it has to compete with this camera at video.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (Apr 8, 2013)

THe GH3 has it all in one package, moreless. This cam has a big advantage of RAW editing, but a downside is that it is probably purely usable for video only. You could also argue: the GH3 is this cam and the EM5 in one while it does not cost you much more than either of the two!

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ET2
By ET2 (Apr 8, 2013)

No, there is no RAW on this black magic pocket camera

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marike6
By marike6 (Apr 8, 2013)

The GH3 is great but it does not output 10-bit 4:2:2 ProRes at 220 mbps, nor will it ever have RAW. The camera is not meant to compete with m43 still cameras. As a sort of pocketable cinema camera, it may compete with the Digital Bolex, but this type of camera is almost a new category. As such it almost doesn't have any competitors.

@ET2

From the article:

"lossless CinemaDNG to be added via firmware"

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hammerheadfistpunch
By hammerheadfistpunch (Apr 8, 2013)

This isn't a still camera, not even a little. So there isn't any comparison there.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Apr 9, 2013)

It apparently will get RAW (as in CameraDNG) support later via firmware. Keep in mind also that the typical video mode on a stills camera (like the GH3) records to a compressed format for which the license does not permit commercial use unless you talk to MPEG-LA...

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