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Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 Public Beta hands-on preview

By dpreview staff on Apr 15, 2013 at 04:01 GMT

Adobe has released a public beta version of its Photoshop Lightroom 5 workflow and image editing software and we've had some time to look at its latest features. Available immediately for free download from Adobe Labs, the beta introduces a more advanced healing/cloning tool, automatic image leveling and perspective correction, a new selective editing tool and the ability to edit files that are offline.

As with any pre-release software, please keep in mind that this is a beta release intended to generate user feedback and identify performance issues. The tools and features on offer may be changed before final release and we do not recommend using beta software for any mission critical work. And as always with Lightroom public betas, to begin working, you must import images into a new version 5-compatible catalog. You cannot update version 4 and earlier catalogs in Lightroom 5 beta.

Ready to get started? Click the links below to find out what's new and begin exploring the Lightroom 5 public beta on your own.

Download the Lightroom 5 public beta from Adobe Labs

Press Release:

Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 Public Beta Now Available

SAN JOSE, Calif. — April 15, 2013 Adobe today announced the availability of Adobe® Photoshop® Lightroom® 5 beta for Windows® and Mac. Adobe Lightroom is the essential photography workflow application allowing photography enthusiasts and professionals to enhance, organize and share photos. The Lightroom 5 beta offers a free, public preview of new features and tools that will be offered in the final release, expected later this year.

'Lightroom is the essential tool for busy professional and discerning amateur photographers, who are uncompromising in the pursuit for image quality or searching for artistic expression,' said Winston Hendrickson, vice president of digital imaging products, Adobe. 'The Lightroom 5 beta is highly valuable in ensuring the new features support and address the needs of our customers and we look forward to hearing feedback.'

Lightroom 5 beta offers photographers and enthusiasts many new features including:

  • Advanced Healing Brush allows customers to heal imperfections and remove distracting elements
  • Upright tool analyzes an image to automatically level horizons and straighten objects like buildings to correct a keystone effect
  • Radial Gradient tool creates off-center or multiple vignette effects
  • Smart Previews allow customers to edit images without needing the original raw file
  • Video slideshow enables customers to combine still images, video clips and music in a creative HD slideshow
  • Upgrades to the Book module enhancing the ability to create, customize and order elegant photo books using a variety of tailored templates

Lightroom 5 beta marks the fifth consecutive version Adobe has offered the software for public preview and testing prior to the final release. Adobe encourages customers to provide comments through its community forums on both new and legacy features. Feedback offered may be integrated into updates added before the final version of the software is released.

Pricing and Availability

Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5 beta is available immediately as a free download on both Windows and Mac at http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom5/. Customers can submit feedback on the community powered feedback site: http://feedback.photoshop.com. Customers can also connect with the Lightroom team directly on Facebook (www.facebook.com/lightroom), via Twitter (www.twitter.com/lightroom) or on the Adobe Lightroom blog (http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal). For Lightroom how-to videos, visit http://www.youtube.com/lightroom

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SungiBr
By SungiBr (11 months ago)

I donwloaded and installed and noticed a real improvement in speed compared to LR4. Very fast cataloging and processing
Or it is just a impression?

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Kongtotoro
By Kongtotoro (Apr 27, 2013)

Hi, Does anyone knows, when will the New-full version of Ps and LR be released?

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john101477
By john101477 (Apr 25, 2013)

It would not download onto my Windows 7 64x desktop. I tried 2 different times and it just will not open. idk whats up with it

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Augestflex
By Augestflex (Apr 24, 2013)

I bought my first copy of Lightroom, LR4, on Feb 1st, 2013.Does anyone know if there will be a discount?

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Bryan Costin
By Bryan Costin (Apr 22, 2013)

Have the LR developers figured out how networked drives work yet? Perhaps they should ask their colleagues in the Creative Cloud division for some advice.

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steven168z
By steven168z (Apr 23, 2013)

haha

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RoccoGalatioto
By RoccoGalatioto (Apr 19, 2013)

I just installed version 4 and now there's version 5. What can I say.

0 upvotes
davejm53
By davejm53 (Apr 18, 2013)

I'm going to wait for all the beta testing and reviews come out on the finished product. LR4 has been a disappointment for me as to the speed. I'm not sure if I want to invest more money in an under-achieving piece of software.

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Si9
By Si9 (Apr 18, 2013)

I hope Adobe reads this:
Incredible program that is always getting better, except:
Merging of catalogs and importing from another catalog always produces duplicates no matter what settings are changed. The "duplicate finder" external add on, although good at finding them, is very time consuming deleting them. Please Adobe fix this to level of your editing expertise in version 6.
Thank you for the offline editing. With multiple HDDs this is awesome.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 19, 2013)

I doubt very much that they will read this. There is only 196 comments on this thread compared to the 582k+ people that follow the Official Lightroom Facebook page. You are much better off posting there or on the official LR5 beta forum where they do read things.

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reuptake
By reuptake (Apr 18, 2013)

I need to buy 4.4 or newer. Do I have to pay full upgrade price month or two later? It would be much more than buying 5.0...

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GaryR60
By GaryR60 (Apr 18, 2013)

I gather I can install 5 without overwriting 4.4?

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 18, 2013)

Yes you can. It will not touch 4.4.

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JWest
By JWest (Apr 17, 2013)

All this photo book stuff seems like such a niche feature, yet it has a tab all to itself at the top of the interface, and seems to be occupying a lot of the developers' time.

Surely automatic face tagging would be a far better received update by the average user? I'm not saying no-one uses the photo book features, but a good tagging regime should be part of every pro's workflow. I can waste hours tagging a few hundred photos in what could have been an entirely automated process.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (Apr 17, 2013)

5 new features and a whole lot of dough from customers. Nice one Adobe!
Still using CaptureNX + ColorEfex....

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 17, 2013)

There are more than a hundred new features.

1 upvote
RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Apr 17, 2013)

"Features" and "updates" are very different. An updated portion may not add any different operation or result. Changing programming code isn't a "new feature" to me. How things look in the program isn't a new feature to me.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 17, 2013)

Like I said, more than a hundred new features:

http://www.lightroomqueen.com/2013/04/15/whats-new-in-lightroom-5-0-beta/

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digitant
By digitant (Apr 17, 2013)

I am still using LR3 on a Mac (2012 MBA/13/8/512). Trying out LR5b I notice two things:

* the size of the app: it has grown from 110MB to 1.1GB !
* it still is no true full screen app on Mac OS X 10.8, despite what Adobe says.

Surely these are not show stoppers, but they matter to me.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 17, 2013)

The size is mostly for templates and profiles. The basic application isn't anywhere near that large.

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digitant
By digitant (Apr 17, 2013)

Brill. So how do I get rid of 1GB of templates and profiles?

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Apr 17, 2013)

Incorrect. The download includes both 32 and 64bit from what I remember reading. It's more like a 700 MB installation file.

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cfp13
By cfp13 (Apr 18, 2013)

Hit the F key and that puts it into fullscreen mode. Just to see your photos, from there you can use your arrow keys to toggle to the next photo..

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digitant
By digitant (Apr 18, 2013)

Thanks guys, for trying to help.
@RedFox88: May I suggest actually doing the install on your own Mac? I was not referring to an installation file, but to the size of the actual LR3.app vs LR5b.app after install, which increased *ten* fold. That's faster than Moore's Law. Useful stuff, hopefully, but 1.1GB is a Very Large App nonetheless.
@cfp13: yes, I know, just like in LR3 ;-) , but it is not what I meant. I was hoping LR5 would finally be a *true* full screen Mac app, meaning it uses its own unique space, supports 4-finger-swiping to switch spaces, etc. etc. as Cornerstone, BBEdit, Vienna, Safari, Aperture, Sonos, iTunes and many, many others have done for years, so it can't be that complicated.

So, thanks again. I rm'd LR5. Will check again in 6 months or so to see if it's worthwhile.

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Les Wilk
By Les Wilk (Apr 17, 2013)

I have just worked out the Adobe strategy.

Every one who likes lightroom wants more of the photoshop features available in it.

So adobe will move all these features over in time, but along the way there will be 6 or 7 payable upgrades to LR to reach it.

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Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Apr 17, 2013)

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. But at least the upgrades are WAYYYYY less expensive than PS upgrades.

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Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Apr 16, 2013)

Why is there no 11x14 preset in the crop tool I wonder? I know there isn't one there now either and it puzzles me. It's a pretty standard print size, no?

Our film club (and almost all local competitions) demand 16x20 mats which require 11x14 prints.

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Torsten Hoff
By Torsten Hoff (Apr 16, 2013)

You can always add your own -- takes five seconds.

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Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (Apr 17, 2013)

I know you can add one. Duh. My comment was speaking to the fact that Lightroom is supposedly geared towards the "enthusiast". Are enthusiasts printing lots of 4x6's and 5x7's these days? Not me anyway. If I choose to print something it's going to be 8x10 or larger. Just seems odd that 11x14 is not one of the standard presets.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (Apr 16, 2013)

The Radial thing seems to owe some of its heritage to LightZone.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Apr 17, 2013)

I like it, it is a straight copy of Nik points feature... ADBE implementation is marginally better as allows for ellipses or circles. Nik allows only circles.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (11 months ago)

Lightzone had this five to eight years ago (don't remember exactly).

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angrywhtman
By angrywhtman (Apr 16, 2013)

These new releases are too frequent and there are not enough new tools to merit it.

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Jack Frazier
By Jack Frazier (Apr 16, 2013)

then don't upgrade. sheesh

I think the new features are really cool, especially the radial filter tool. It alone opens up many creative uses. The new Healing brush is also very welcomed. The lens perspective feature is going to be a hit.
Heck, what's not to like?

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Apr 17, 2013)

YES, i agree

those are features that are most requested.

it took them long enough, looks like they are seeing more sales from Lightroom and thus encouraged to give it more PS features.

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SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (Apr 17, 2013)

There always an option to become the CC subscriber.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Apr 17, 2013)

If you have PS which I do, there is nothing here that merits the upgrade. I personally would like to see some improvements in the Map module and a feature that AutoSync your directories...it is a pain to remember that.

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atlien991
By atlien991 (Apr 17, 2013)

I agree that the new features don't merit another $125. Paltry additions like this, called upgrades, are an indication that there is too little competition. What's with the 'don't upgrade' shouting? Are we only allowed to cheerlead products now?

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Apr 17, 2013)

$125? Where do you live? The LR4 upgrade was $69 and full version was $150.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (Apr 21, 2013)

The logical thing to do is skip every other upgrade. V5 is QUITE a change from V3. It also effectively cuts your upgrade costs in half. In time, as the product matures, cut the upgrades to every 3rd or so. YOU are in control of the upgrades.

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (Apr 16, 2013)

Have just upgraded my PC to i7 quad with 32gb ram and SSD for C drive and also separate SSD for Lightroom cat and scratch disc, also set camera raw cache to 30gb on C drive. Inspite of this LR 4 is still slow in scrolling a catalogue of 25,000 files. At the most Lightroom takes only 9gb of ram out of 32gb. I hope Adobe has improved ram management. Photoshop CS5 works very well as it takes as much ram as it needs when processing large files.

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konoplya
By konoplya (Apr 16, 2013)

i agree. have a very similar system to yours and lightroom 4.4 gets pretty slow sometimes.. but hey, it is adobe after all, nothing new

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Apr 17, 2013)

perhaps one way around this
is to start a new catalogue every year.
This is especially useful for people who shoot a lot.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Apr 17, 2013)

Try purging the cache, it does works for me.

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JWest
By JWest (Apr 17, 2013)

Starting a new catalogue every year completely defeats the object of having a searchable library. To be useful, it needs to be a single library containing all your images. If the app is choking due to the number of images, it's simply badly written.

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Idreamphoto
By Idreamphoto (Apr 16, 2013)

For people that know adobe release model wel, any idfea when this could be the final release?

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Apr 17, 2013)

From Adobe's download page: You can download the beta and use it until the product expires on June 30, 2013.

That means it will be launched on July 1.

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rbach44
By rbach44 (Apr 16, 2013)

I really wanted to try it out, but it is only available for OS 10.7.

Very very disappointing...

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walliswizard
By walliswizard (Apr 16, 2013)

Damn. I really don't want to upgrade to Lion - I've already downgraded this Mac-Mini to Snow Leopard from Mountain Lion because I found both upgrades increasingly awful.

Think I'm going to come off the Mac platform though anyway - not nearly as 'wonderful' as I thought it would be.

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rbach44
By rbach44 (Apr 16, 2013)

I use 10.7 at work and it is rather unpleasant. I'm perfectly happy with 10.6, and its just not that old! I don't understand the lack fo support.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

rbach44 because the majority of Mac users have upgraded their OS.

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naththo
By naththo (Apr 16, 2013)

How about will Adobe improve colour accuracy in camera profile to match with the actual same as manufacturer camera sets on camera raw file? The Adobe one shows a bit more cyan in skies and bit warmer hue I supposed in yellow colours to bring more green look compare to coming straight off camera shows more realistic blue skies and better colours.

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rbach44
By rbach44 (Apr 16, 2013)

Have you tried using the Camera standard, Camera Neutral, etc. settings for your camera in the camera profile tab? They are built to mimic the manufacturer's profiles and are quite close.

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naththo
By naththo (Apr 17, 2013)

Yup already done that. They are still quite mismatch to the Canon DPP software. Although upside is Lightroom exhibit no banding in skies while DPP exhibit very slight banding in skies though which is interesting to compare. Perhap is it because of DPP tend to have less colour and less colour information per bit?

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naththo
By naththo (Apr 19, 2013)

Okay what I found as in list:
ACR 4.6 seems better for blue skies shooting due to less cyan cast and for daylight shooting.
Canon Standard is best choice for sunset images but more contrasty than ACR 4.6 and Adobe Standard.
Canon Neutral shows less cyan cast in skies than standard.
Both Canon Standard and Adobe Standard exhibit cyan cast in skies.

The DPP Standard shows more realistic blue skies while Neutral shows neutral blue skies while standard is mixed of blue and blue-weakish cyan.

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Forfie
By Forfie (Apr 16, 2013)

Take my money

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (Apr 16, 2013)

Absolutely amazing comments. Malcontents live to find fault, little kids never get enough, and most of the people below sound like they are both.

Comment edited 35 seconds after posting
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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Apr 17, 2013)

Dissatisfaction is a good thing, it drives innovation and forces companies to deliver true value. People are entitled to their opinions both ways; positive and negative.

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gl2k
By gl2k (Apr 16, 2013)

Absolutely no reason to upgrade from 4 to 5. Distortion control is nice but not enough.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

Just the aspect ratio overlay, the crop while maintaining center (those will save me hours and hours) and the spot healing would be enough for me. Add in radial gradients and all the little stuff, and this one is a much bigger upgrade for me than LR3 -> LR4 was.

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Forfie
By Forfie (Apr 16, 2013)

The speed alone is worth it, I did a test side by side, LR5 is full five fold faster for me. Add that up over 3000 wedding images, and you have already paid for it.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

Forfie is your catalog size the same on both Lightroom 4 and 5 though? If not then that is the reason it is faster at the moment.

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Forfie
By Forfie (Apr 16, 2013)

I made 2 test albums that had the same images and opened them in 4 and 5. The way it handles previews is vastly superior and is much faster. I'm looking forward to working with the smart previews.

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stevo23
By stevo23 (Apr 17, 2013)

I didn't find it faster. It totally bogs down on my Macbook Pro. And it struggles to run my Nik plugins. Perhaps a beta thing and will be cured in the general release.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 17, 2013)

stevo23 have you reported this on the Adobe Lightroom 5 beta forum? On my Mac Mini I am running Nik plugins as well and there has been no slow down at all. Same speed as Lightroom which for me has no issues either. If you do report it make sure you list the spec of the computer as well.

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qianp2k
By qianp2k (Apr 16, 2013)

Hope it can handle Canon CR2 files better in reducing banding in lifting shadows. Canon DPP hands in this area better than LR4 but DPP is very limited.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

DPP doesn't handle it at all, it just cranks up the noise reduction by default. You can do the same in LR if you want, but it's on Canon to start making better sensors.

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qianp2k
By qianp2k (Apr 16, 2013)

Not sure if you have seen that there were few posts during the time when 5D3 was released. They first processed CR2 files in high contrast scenes by pulling shadow +2 (DPP only limits to 2-stop) before importing into LR for further processing. That technique shows noticeably less banding (more accurately red channel) in deep dark shadow than by processing in LR4 directly. I tried that in a few my 5D2 files and I can see also that reduced banding (after pulling shadows many stops) a bit. I just hope the new LR5/ACR 8 will have similar option to suppress banding. It will not increase DR of course but at least not to show banding obviously. I agreed Canon needs to improve sensors. Hope the sensor in SL1 is better, and matches to Sony sensors when 7D2 is released.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (Apr 17, 2013)

I hate DPP, but it definitely handles shadow pushing better than LR. If I have to push shadows 2EV or more I'll use DPP.

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (Apr 16, 2013)

No harnessing the powers of graphics cards? That is a pity. What about support for 10-bit displays?

It would also be nice to create panoramas in LR.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

That's not a bad thing. Much better to rely on extra RAM.

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Oli4D
By Oli4D (Apr 16, 2013)

@Stu 5: You maybe don't understand what Earthlight was asking for. He asks to use the power of modern GPUs.
(More) RAM is doing something COMPLETELY different.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

Incorrect Li4D I was fully aware. Making use of the GPU is the mistake Apple made with Aperture. Lightroom has always made use of RAM instead. When a new version of a program requires more power to run, it makes it simpler if you just need to upgrade the RAM. If you design the program to rely more on GPU the people who have integrated graphics suffer as there is not much they can do. That is why Lightroom is a RAM hungry program and Aperture is a GPU hungry program.

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JWest
By JWest (Apr 17, 2013)

A GPU assists processing, helping the CPU - it's nothing to do with RAM.

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mjbauer
By mjbauer (Apr 16, 2013)

This is a good overview of the changes in LR 5 Beta

http://photoshopuser.com/lightroom5/?utm_source=napp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=lr5+invite

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glacierpete
By glacierpete (Apr 16, 2013)

Still missing the Sigma DP2M (and DP1M/DP3M) support. Adobe now supports even Fuji but no Foveon support.

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glacierpete
By glacierpete (Apr 16, 2013)

to answer my own question.
Today adobe staff replied in the adobe forum that adobe works on supporting the fovean sensor.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5239268#5239268

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (Apr 16, 2013)

Can I run this beta in parallel with LR4?

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rgarijo
By rgarijo (Apr 16, 2013)

Yes, but you will have to create a new catalog in LR5

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (Apr 17, 2013)

And be very careful because there's a good chance a beta catalog won't be upgradable to full LR5. They put out warnings to not do anything important with their beta versions.

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steven168z
By steven168z (Apr 16, 2013)

Networkable Catalogs is a must..

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Apr 16, 2013)

I agree sir but looks like we're sol

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (Apr 17, 2013)

It is a must, but nobody in this price class can do it, which probably means something about how doable it is.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Apr 17, 2013)

thats nonesense I garuntee adobe puts more into R and d then capture one. regardless of price

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JohnTh
By JohnTh (Apr 24, 2013)

Hmmm... SQLite isn't quite pleased by your words. I think that would be a major overhaul to change their database backend. Going to another embedded(able) database which would support network (eg. Firebird) isn't as easy as it seems. There are speed concerns, concurrency problems (how it would be? - Client / Server or a Locking model) and many more.

I'm quite reserved on this possibility.

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JavaJones
By JavaJones (Apr 16, 2013)

FFS Adobe, what a paltry update. I really hope this is not the complete feature list of the final.

That being said, I do appreciate having early beta access for free, so thanks for that! Just please add face recognition, for god's sake.

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VidJa
By VidJa (Apr 16, 2013)

face recognition during focussing, a big YES, but I don't see a use for FR in postprocessing except for keywording the pictures. Not critical at all.

3 upvotes
MadManAce
By MadManAce (Apr 16, 2013)

I have often wondered why LR does not use face recognition for the AUTOTONE. When a backlit portrait gets the autotone treatment, LR will underexpose it by 2-3 stops. Before everyone starts with the “get it right in camera” talk. One does not have the luxury to tell the bride to stop during the processional as she walks into the window lit areas and use a lightmeter, forcing one to use Av Priority and compensate as appropriate. Having face priority autotone on the initial import would go a long way with the culling process.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

"FFS Adobe, what a paltry update."

7 pages of new features?

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JavaJones
By JavaJones (Apr 17, 2013)

I actually find face recognition in a camera to be useless. If I want to compose and focus on the face, I will do so manually. If I want to capture a smile, I'll do a burst and pick the one with the right expression.

Face recognition is useful precisely for tagging, and it is tremendously useful at that. Maybe you have no need for it, but lots of people do. I have zero need for making books in LR (I've made photo books before, just no need to do so in LR), and likewise zero need to do web albums in LR. Quite frankly I think both those features are completely extraneous to what LR does well and should be in separate products. Whereas face tagging is a potentially integral part of an existing feature (tagging and cataloging). *That* is why I criticise its lack, because it contributes to a fundamental LR feature in ways many other added features do not (i.e. more book creation stuff). I'm not saying book-making is useless, just that I see no reason for it to be integrated into LR.

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socalcarlos
By socalcarlos (Apr 16, 2013)

What I really want to see in Lightroom is a liquify filter, a kind of Alien skin bokeh or on one focal point filter, off center multiple vigneting and a real photoshop like spot healing tool.
This 5 version of Lightroom is supposed to have the off center multiple vigneting and a better healing tool, there's still 3 more tools to make it perfect.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

Liquify? Yuck. Alien skin? Yuck. I don't know what focal point is.

Off-center vignetting is in LR 5. The spot healing tool is as well.

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digitalweddings
By digitalweddings (Apr 16, 2013)

HDR please....

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WellyNZ
By WellyNZ (Apr 16, 2013)

Yes, I totally agree!

Because what the world needs more of - other than photographs of cats - is lots more gaudy, over saturated, shadow-less, halo-ridden images.

Make it so, Adobe!

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RudivanS
By RudivanS (Apr 16, 2013)

Panoramic stitch ability while we're at it too.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

I doubt it. The very fake, nothing like real HDR is a very dated over used look now.

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John De Bord Photography
By John De Bord Photography (Apr 16, 2013)

Yes because what the world needs is more people like Welly who don't know the difference between tone mapping and HDR :|

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RumpelHund
By RumpelHund (Apr 16, 2013)

Maybe we can get the halos without the tone-mapping-HDR stuff, would be enough for most users :-)

Not to forget the Timelapse-Miniature-Halo-Startrail-Giga-Pano-Selfportrait-Halftone-next-big-thing that's just around the corner. I want that in my Lightroom. Immediatly.

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digitalweddings
By digitalweddings (Apr 16, 2013)

I hate the fake HDR effect as much as you do!! But any current LR effect can be overdone, by the user though, not the fault of
the program or the effect itself! Amazing things can be done with HDR, using it correctly,for what it was "designed" for. But I guess upgrading the book module is more important at this stage:)

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Closely Observed Images
By Closely Observed Images (Apr 16, 2013)

After decades of constantly battling with windows based architecture I bit the bullet and bought a S/H Mac Pro 1.1 that is the most amazingly capable (and stable) computer I have ever owned. I handles LR4 and photoshop apps with ease and speed, but runs Snow Leopard (IOS 10.6.8).

I have used every version of LR since it's inception.

Why no support for LR5 running under Snow Leopard then? I'm an enthusiastic amateur photographer who makes a living driving taxi's and enjoys tinkering with images.

I'm gutted that whilst I would happily pay for an upgrade. Adobe have just lost my custom by making themselves even more exclusive.

Bye . . . . .

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rbach44
By rbach44 (Apr 16, 2013)

I whole heartedly agree. I don't kn ow why they would only come out with an upgrade for the latest OS out there...

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

It is quite simple, most Apple users upgrade their OS regularly compared to Windows users due to the fact the OS upgrades are so cheap. A software developer will design software for their core base otherwise the software cost more to develop than it needs to.

0 upvotes
Fixx
By Fixx (Apr 18, 2013)

Snow Leopard is though very stable and efficient operating system. There are few benefits in upgrading to Mountain Lion.

0 upvotes
Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (Apr 16, 2013)

It seems that there is no Volume anamorphosis correction, like DXO Optics Pro.

1 upvote
thx1138
By thx1138 (Apr 16, 2013)

IMO LR4 does not extract as fine detail as LR3 did. Swithcing betwen 2010 and 2012 process I see a definite loss of very fine detail. I hope LR5 can address their demosaicing and match C1 7 for example. Also they need to allow for sharpening radius less than 0.5 pixels. Additionally why can't they add selections for making masks rather than having to paint over an object and keep changing brush radius for fiddly edges.

0 upvotes
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

LR5 has the same process version as LR4 (PV2012).

Sharpening radius in LR when set to 1 is a lot like 0.5 set in unsharp mask. They are different algorithms.

0 upvotes
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Apr 16, 2013)

LR uses far less default sharpening the DXO and C!. Use a preset to punch up sharpening should do the trick

2 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (Apr 17, 2013)

Turning up the sharpening has nothing to do with extracting fine detail. C1 actually reveals finer details even when you turn down the sharpening. It's not a huge difference, but it's disappointing to see LR 4 go backward. Even when I use more detail I still cannot match LR3. However, LR4 is much better than LR3 and C1 7 for noise reduction.

0 upvotes
lokkju
By lokkju (Apr 16, 2013)

Looking through the beta package, a FaceDetection.agtoolkit module exists, with Lua files for face recognition (AgFaceDetection.lua). Looking closer, it seems like it will be using Cognitec for the facial recognition engine. Oh, hell yes - thanks Adobe!

5 upvotes
JavaJones
By JavaJones (Apr 16, 2013)

God I hope that's true! The announced feature set so far is otherwise extremely boring.

0 upvotes
swankFoto
By swankFoto (Apr 16, 2013)

FYI, collaboration announced in 2009, might this finally be the fruits of their partnership?
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20090923006308/en/Cognitec-Announces-Important-Collaboration-Adobe

0 upvotes
Benarm
By Benarm (Apr 16, 2013)

Another major Lightroom release without native support for RAW editing via plugins like Photomatix, Silver Efex Pro, etc.

4 upvotes
WellyNZ
By WellyNZ (Apr 16, 2013)

I'm not sure why you'd need this and I'm not sure of any other image editing software that offers this either - Photoshop certainly doesn't. The RAW file can't store the information from those plugins so what you're asking for is pretty much an impossible task.

12 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Apr 16, 2013)

Nikon Capture supports the V1 and V2 NIK filters and works perfectly with RAW files - you can either save back to RAW or to Tiff.
Whether you use filters, rather than the host software commands, is down to personal preference. To me, filters improve workflow and provide consistent results. This is important if you're exhibiting as inconsistent prints look amateurish even if each individual print is OK.

1 upvote
dbateman
By dbateman (Apr 16, 2013)

Nikon capture supports Raw files of Nikon cameras! Amazing!

2 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (Apr 16, 2013)

dbaterman: You should have read WellyNZ's words before posting your not- so-clever reply. Thinking before posting will save you a bit of embarrassment.

2 upvotes
Benarm
By Benarm (Apr 16, 2013)

@WellyNZ
You misunderstood, I don't want to edit the actual RAW file, I want to apply Lightroom-style changes to it using the plugins too. In other words, I want to skip the conversion to TIFF in order to use, for example, the Silver Efex Pro plugin. Lightroom plugins should be more closely integrated and perform like addition features of Lightroom, rather than be like external applications where you need to feed a TIFF file to it.

1 upvote
rbach44
By rbach44 (Apr 16, 2013)

Ever use VSCO's kit? Its setup as a series of camera profiles and Lightroom setups. Definitely the most useable architecture for a plugin I've ever used.

0 upvotes
Bassman2003
By Bassman2003 (Apr 16, 2013)

The new crop overlays are something I and others have been asking for since the first version. This is awesome and worth the upgrade alone for me.

Being able to see where an 8x10 will fall on an image while staying in the original ratio is at the core of my digital delivery.

1 upvote
ChrisLoff
By ChrisLoff (Apr 16, 2013)

I won't upgrade LR again, until I can save my lightroom catalog easily to a networked drive where my photo library are stored and backed-up.

8 upvotes
Spectro
By Spectro (Apr 16, 2013)

agree, I complaint to adobe, they said they looked into for LR4 and decide not too. I work in office and like my home setup to be netowrk too. PC users are more demanding on their network. LR5 is not a major update like from 3 to 4.

But, I do backup my catalog on the network, I work off photos on the network from LR4. But since the catalog is not on the network I can't use it between two computers. that is the only differences.

0 upvotes
cuol
By cuol (Apr 16, 2013)

I still hate the lightroom color rendering. Why does every other converter look better to me using either Canon or Nikon files? The tools are great, but something about the look sucks.

1 upvote
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

"Why does every other converter look better to me using either Canon or Nikon files?"

Miscalibrated monitor? I would say the look of Canon's Standard was best described by Petteri as "Retina Peel".

2 upvotes
cuol
By cuol (Apr 16, 2013)

i1 profiled

0 upvotes
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

In that case, maybe you like high-contrast high-saturation colors that are the defaults from the camera manufacturers. You can set presets or defaults like that if you want in Lightroom to make that more of the starting point.

1 upvote
cuol
By cuol (Apr 16, 2013)

Actually, I don't.

I've tried everything, including creating custom profiles with color checker, and I'm just not feeling the love. C1, Aperture, and PhotoNinja all look better, but lack the awesome tools LR has.

0 upvotes
Spectro
By Spectro (Apr 16, 2013)

I am able to get my nikon files to look close on lightroom, but not as natural looking. But I think LR loses that natural look like from viewNX. The sweat gland on the face looks are gone on LR. skin colors are more saturate on LR loosing color tone/range. For most things people can't tell, but for portrait I see it. So sometime I have to do the tiff out from ViewNX and then do the editing in LR (since LR and PS have better tools then anyone else) taht is almost 90mb a tiff file.

1 upvote
rbach44
By rbach44 (Apr 16, 2013)

I profile all of my cameras, and Lightroom's default profiles are very very close to what comes right off the sensor. I find that things may not look as good in Lightroom, but its what your images ACTUALLY look like. Then you can fix from there to your liking…

1 upvote
plasnu
By plasnu (Apr 16, 2013)

Do I have to pay update again?

0 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (Apr 16, 2013)

No. No-one is forcing you to upgrade.

7 upvotes
Julian
By Julian (Apr 16, 2013)

But will you be able to upgrade LR4 to LR6 directly?

1 upvote
justinwonnacott
By justinwonnacott (Apr 16, 2013)

I really want to see an option to customize the interface so that instead of drop down (scroll down forever . . . ) tabs it was possible to use horizontally tabbed menus or to "tear off" the RAW develop module so that it operates on a separate screen by itself.

When I use ACR module the layout is easier to use and does not require constant downward navigation and the annoying opening and closing of arrowed drop down tabs.

There is much that is good about LR's interface but this issue drives me nuts, slows me down and has me using ACR standalone quite often instead of the fiddly, small interface components provided in LR for the same task.

..... and another thing I really want is the ability to not just import to two drives but to see the changes I make, keywords, processing instructions and so on be writable to both of the copies I imported in the first place. I would love that.

0 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (Apr 16, 2013)

I take it that you have got it set up for one tab to close automatically when a new one is opened up?

0 upvotes
acidic
By acidic (Apr 17, 2013)

Try solo mode:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/lightroom/using/WSD7BD0F8A-12B6-4064-99BA-2D844172C124.html

If you're drives are dedicated image drives, and you keep all of your changes withing LR (not sidecar xmp files), you can point LR to either of those drives and I believe the changes will apply, as long as the file names are the same across both drives.

Otherwise, configuring a RAID mirror will ensure that both drives are identical (changes, new files, deleting files, etc). Still not substitute for a real backup drive though.

1 upvote
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Apr 16, 2013)

NETWORKABLE CATALOGS PLEASE!!

8 upvotes
Rambalac
By Rambalac (Apr 16, 2013)

Use symlink?

0 upvotes
WellyNZ
By WellyNZ (Apr 16, 2013)

Try using Dropbox:

http://www.vdsar.net/lightroom-catalog-sync-with-dropbox/

http://digital-photography-school.com/syncing-and-backing-up-your-lightroom-catalog-with-dropbox

And by the sounds of it, the Smart Previews/Proxy Files will enable you to do exactly what you want to anyway.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (Apr 16, 2013)

How do you know what my purpose is? I want to be able to allow multiple users to use the same Lightroom catalog across an office only networkable catalogs will do

1 upvote
Jacques Cornell
By Jacques Cornell (Apr 16, 2013)

Still modal after all these years.

1 upvote
Jack Frazier
By Jack Frazier (Apr 16, 2013)

and likely to stay that way.

0 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (Apr 16, 2013)

ability to edit files that are offline. always wanted to do that. Oh wait. That's what I always do.....

1 upvote
PicOne
By PicOne (Apr 15, 2013)

Cool! I assume this will finally support the Foveon Merrill sensor output?

0 upvotes
ArcaSwiss
By ArcaSwiss (Apr 16, 2013)

When hell freezes over

3 upvotes
Photoworks
By Photoworks (Apr 15, 2013)

DPR, can you please fix link to Lightroom 5 download. Your link directs you to Lightroom 4.

0 upvotes
Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Apr 15, 2013)

The press release link has been fixed.

Comment edited 9 seconds after posting
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toomanycanons
By toomanycanons (Apr 15, 2013)

Hey, I just downloaded LR4.4! Hope it's a free "upgrade" for owners of previous versions (hahahahaha).

0 upvotes
ArcaSwiss
By ArcaSwiss (Apr 15, 2013)

Did they get rid of (or have an option to turn off) the cataloging system ?

1 upvote
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Apr 16, 2013)

The cataloging system is the heart of Lightroom, and likely will never go away. The version of Lightroom that doesn't have the Catalog is the Camera Raw plugin for Photoshop.

10 upvotes
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