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Sony announces NEX-3N 16MP entry-level mirrorless camera

By dpreview staff on Feb 20, 2013 at 04:03 GMT

Sony has announced the NEX-3N, its entry-level NEX camera, replacing the NEX-F3. The 3N is, as before, aimed at users stepping up from compact cameras and gains a compact-style zoom lever around its shutter button. It features a smaller body than the F3, and Sony says it is the smallest, lightest mirrorless camera to feature an APS-C sensor, despite featuring a built-in flash. The camera will be bundled with the e-mount 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 power zoom lens, to make the most of the camera's zoom control.

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Press Release:

Super-compact interchangeable lens APS-C camera weighs just 210g

  • No-fuss self-portraits with 180° tiltable LCD screen and zoom lever
  • Large Exmor APS HD CMOS sensor with 16.1 effective megapixels and high sensitivity, for detail-packed, low noise photos and Full HD video
  • Beautiful compositions made easy with new Auto Object Framing
  • Light, compact body with pop-up flash

Moving up from your fixed lens camera? Travel light with the compact, easy to use NEX-3N E-mount camera with built-in flash – an exciting introduction to the world of interchangeable lens photography by Sony.

Self-portraits have never been simpler with the NEX-3N, thanks to the camera’s easy-to-hold textured grip that fits reassuringly in the hand. The crisp, bright 7.5cm (3.0-type) LCD screen instantly flips through 180 degrees for fuss-free arm’s-length compositions. What’s more, a newly-added zoom lever on the camera body allows smooth, fingertip control of focal length with compatible lenses like the slim, light SELP1650 power zoom. Great for one-handed portrait framing, the zoom lever also adjusts digital zoom if you’re not using a powered lens.

All serious photographers know that great photos start with a great composition. Brand new Auto Object Framing helps you get better-looking, more professional results without effort. The camera judges what’s in the scene – one person, two people or even macro and moving objects – automatically cropping the shot to create more powerful, professionally-framed compositions.

Weighing approximately 210g, the NEX-3N is the world’s smallest, lightest interchangeable-lens camera with a large APS-C sized sensor*. Grabbing more light than the sensor in ordinary compact cameras, it’s the big sensor that’s key to exquisitely detailed photos and sparkling Full HD movies that stand out from the crowd. What’s more, it’s easy to create pro-style background blur effects with your collection of interchangeable E-mount lenses… just like you’d achieve with a bigger, bulkier DSLR camera.

The camera’s large sensor also boosts maximum sensitivity to ISO 16000. It’s complemented by an evolved BIONZ processor that uses the same area-specific noise reduction techniques featured on the acclaimed full-frame α99. Levels of noise reduction and sharpness are individually adjusted for different image areas. Even if you’re shooting in dim light, you’ll enjoy crisp, ultra-low noise handheld shots without needing flash.

The NEX-3N is also the first NEX interchangeable lens camera from Sony that offers support for new “TRILUMINOS Colour”. You’ll experience a dramatically expanded palette of vivid, ultra-realistic colours when videos and still images are played back on any BRAVIA TV with support for “TRILUMINOS Display”.

There’s now a range of thirteen high-quality E-mount lenses to realise the immense creative potential of the NEX-3N. Choose from telephoto, zoom, wide angle, macro lenses by Sony and Carl Zeiss to suit any shooting situation. Every model blends superb optical performance with elegant looks to complement your E-mount camera. There’s also a full range of coordinating accessories by Sony, from style-matching carry cases and straps to spare batteries.

The light, compact new NEX-3N interchangeable lens camera from Sony is available in Europe from March 2013.

* Among interchangeable-lens cameras with an APS-C sensor and pop-up flash, as of Feb 2013.

Sony Alpha NEX-3N specifications

Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution4912 x 3264
Other resolutions4912 x 2760, 3568 x 2368, 3568 x 2000, 2448 x 1624, 2448 x 1376
Image ratio w:h3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors17 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.5 x 15.6 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorBionz
Color spacesRGB, AdobeRGB
Image
ISOAuto, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800, 16000
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (2500-9900k )
Image stabilizationUnknown
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Standard
File format
  • JPEG
  • RAW (ARW 2.2 Format)
  • RAW+JPEG
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Live View
Digital zoomNo
Number of focus points25
Lens mountSony E
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDTilting
Screen size3
Screen dots460,000
Touch screenNo
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
External flashNo (Accessory Port)
Continuous drive4 fps
WB BracketingNo
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080
FormatMPEG-4, AVCHD
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/ SDHC/SDXC, Memory Stick Pro Duo/ Pro-HG Duo
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (Type D)
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion NP-FW50 rechargeable battery & USB charger
Battery Life (CIPA)480
Weight (inc. batteries)269 g (0.59 lb / 9.49 oz)
Dimensions110 x 62 x 35 mm (4.33 x 2.44 x 1.38)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSNone

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Comments

Total comments: 90
justmeMN
By justmeMN (Feb 22, 2013)

I have read some bad things about the NEX 16-50mm kit lens. It will be interesting to see what DPR has to say about it.

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ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (Feb 22, 2013)

how about fron curtain shutter system? Does 3N have it? or doesn't have like F3.

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Feb 22, 2013)

The NEX3n is a good, albiet late upgrade to the NEX3.
NEX3n Pros:
• 16mp vs 14mp sensor
• 1080p vs 720p Video
• 4fps vs 2.3fps
• Battery life: 480 shots vs 330
• Better Kit Lens
» Wider 24mm Equiv FOV vs 28mm
» Smaller and lighter. Makes the combo jacket pocketable.
• Upgraded metering system (likely)
• Built in Flash
• Better Sensor means better High ISO and greater DR performance.
• $100 less at launch - and with a better lens. Even less then the F3 which has been out a while now.

NEX3 Pros:
• Accessory port
• Higher Res LCD

This might make a great camera for my wife, she could use my 18-200 or 50mm but not have to be overwhelmed by the controls of the NEX7.

Sony posed this question: "Moving up from your fixed lens camera?" My wife likes the IQ my NEX7 gives, but doesn't want to mess with settings, the external flash, ... this just might be the perfect camera for her. She'll get excellent images and I won't have to spend a fortune.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Feb 26, 2013)

You missed a few steps there... 3n is an update for F3. F3 is an update for C3. And C3 was an update for 3. Sony NEX camera department is in overdrive, creating a new body every couple months it seems. Of course, there are still no decent lenses... but who needs lenses if you have so many bodies, right?

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kucink132
By kucink132 (Feb 22, 2013)

yeah, like i want to change or collecting nex body like every years with same old lenses

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eivissa1
By eivissa1 (Feb 22, 2013)

Meant to be for starters...

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Elmo678
By Elmo678 (Feb 21, 2013)

So, NEX f3 in a smaller body, without the accessory port and a downgraded screen

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Feb 21, 2013)

As soon as they started downgrading parts...knowing that my old C3 is in some ways actually better - well that killed it for me.

Pity because my C3 dial is a little tired and unresponsive now and done right this would've been a cheap way to buy into the 16-50.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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bzanchet
By bzanchet (Feb 21, 2013)

Should be very compact with a pancake lens attached! I wonder if the IQ would be much better than RX-100 to justify carrying a bigger camera, especially at low iso.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Feb 22, 2013)

I have the NEX-C3 and I'm planning on going for a NEX-6 ... but I'll still keep the C3 as its just such a good camera and I'd rather keep it than sell on eBay for nothing. Point of my post was, I've also just bought an RX-100 as although the C3 is small with a pancake, there are times when its just not small enough ... and as much as I love my Canon S95, the RX100 is just sooooo fast on focusing and shooting (not to mention the 1" sensor), that it will become its replacement (also knowing I'll get nothing for the S95 which is such a great camera!)

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bzanchet
By bzanchet (Feb 22, 2013)

Thanks for your reply Chad!

But do you think that yours Nex-C3 provides a IQ so much better than the rx-100 that justify carrying a non pocketable camera? I`m not a pro, just like to that quality pics on my travels...

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Feb 24, 2013)

Go to my Facebook page and take a look at some of the pics I took today with the RX100 (chadley_chad@hotmail.com). It's a great little camera, easy to use with great features ... although for £450 it should be! I do a lot of HDR so I guess you could say any camera (RX100 or C3 would suffice), but the C3 would always be my preferred choice as its so much faster (much faster) and of course much better IQ. Having said that, ts bigger and won't fit in a pocket.

As summer approaches then and I wear a coat less, the RX100 will be with me more, unless of course I go somewhere of interest where I'll take my NEX.

For you, I'd say get yourself a C3 from eBay for around £250 and perhaps an S95 ... Then you have the option. That's what I've found; no one camera does it all and if you're like me, you'll have many for different tasks/occasions. As such, I couldn't decide between the NEX or the RX100 as they're both so good but both so different. See ... I can't tell you which to buy lol!

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bzanchet
By bzanchet (Feb 26, 2013)

Hey Chad thanks for replying, I appreciate your advices!!! As I live in Sao Paulo, I rarelly wear coats so pocketability is essential to me... I`m very happy with the RX-100, although sometimes, with no flash and high iso, I see too much noise, but overall the pros far exceds the cons!

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Feb 21, 2013)

This is England .... who needs low ISO's!!!!!

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Feb 21, 2013)

looks too small to hold
and very sharp edges

OUCH

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (Feb 21, 2013)

TRILUMINOS?

Is that even a word?

Sony has obviously ripped a page from the Sharp Quattron - George Takei playbook here.

"Just look at the Triluminos color - OH MY !!! "

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Juraj Lacko
By Juraj Lacko (Feb 20, 2013)

This could be so much better camera if they would put that 5r/6 sensor for lower noise and better AF and ISO 100. I would definitely buy it.and wouldn't mind to pay that extra few ££ for it. Well maybe next time they will do it right. 'Sigh'

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Feb 21, 2013)

It's another great 16mp Sensor from Sony, I have no doubt it'll do great at high ISOs, it'll probably be hard to tell an NEX6 and 3n picture apart.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/49948/sony-nex-3n-compact-system-camera-pictures-and-hands-on

They say sony's improved the sensor ove the F3, I personally thing the F3 looks as good or better than the NEX6 at ISO3200, so that's gotta be a plus if you shoot that high.

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Feb 20, 2013)

Pretty body but no apps, no touch screen, lower res screen and still no mode dial which is a shame.

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Feb 21, 2013)

But it's a step up to the NEX 3, not the NEX 6 or 7. It has more features, better IQ (likely), and better DR (likely) then the NEX3, and it's cheap. And it comes with a small light-weight zoom. Perfect for people looking for this class of camera.

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boogieboogie
By boogieboogie (Feb 21, 2013)

I don't see much of a step up.....it's an NEX F3 with a downgraded screen in a smaller body or a C3 in an identically sized body with a downgraded screen but onboard flash.

The only real 'feature' is that they presumably included the jpeg lens correction firmware for the 16-50.

With the lack of any external control the 3-series needs a touch screen more than any other NEX. Meanwhile apps and wifi are a p&s/phone upgraders wet dream. Not so much for the high end buyer.

But When have camera manufactures ever made sensible design choices.

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crisotunity
By crisotunity (Feb 21, 2013)

Agreed with boogie: this is just Sony reshuffling the pack and, unfortunately, the low end is losing out in order to encourage consumers to migrate to the 5/6 series. The 3N is a straightforward downgrade from the F3: low res screen, non-bounce flash, no accessory port.
The 5 series then becomes the de facto choice for the enthusiast on a budget :-)

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Feb 21, 2013)

Nowhere do I see the F3 as discontinued. So Sony is giving the consumers more options. Its positioned below the NEX-F3 on purpose. We'd all love a NEX7 at a NEX3 price, but it isn't ever going to happen. The NEX3 will do it's intended job as designed. Take great photos and video, while being simple and cheap.

[edit] The inclusion of the zoom lever (nice feature, BTW) indicates this is not designed for the enthusiast, but for the compact shooter wanting better photo quality. The compact, "Auto" mode shooter will feel right at home - zoom with a lever, push the shutter button, result: better pictures because of the big APS-C sensor.

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CosmoZooo
By CosmoZooo (Feb 20, 2013)

If this is aimed at the entry level and upgrade market, Sony has lost their sense of touch with reality. Many users at that range want touch screen. Heck I want it on the Nex-6 but this is a slap in the face. Not to mention the question if they have dealt with video overheating in the smaller body. They haven't in 5R.

The way I see it (and I am an NEX user) this still looses to m43 like the e-pm2 which has a touch screen and no video overheating issues, although the built-in flash is a nod in the Sony's favor. Add a touch screen and no overheating and this is a winner. For now it's a worthless replacement of an f3 offering a slight reduction in size and nothing else.

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Cy Cheze
By Cy Cheze (Feb 20, 2013)

When shooting lots of video, don't all the NEX cameras have more or less the same occasional problem with sensor heat? Regarding menus, isn't the structure more important than whether the control is by touch screen or dial? How many steps or motions does it take to change WB? Are the hierarchy and labels simple or convoluted?

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CosmoZooo
By CosmoZooo (Feb 20, 2013)

NEX-6 is the first one that doesn't seem to overheat. Many have done tests, including myself, and multiple 30 min consecutive recording at room temp don't even cause a warning.

Touch screen is not about menu control -it is about touch to focus and touch to focus+shutter functionality, which help you tell the camera what to ficus on rather then missing focus or having to recompose which is hard with moving subjects. It is also a huge aid in shifting focus in video between subjects as well as focus shift from foreground to background etc.

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crisotunity
By crisotunity (Feb 21, 2013)

The F3 doesn't overheat either - I think this is a previous generation issue.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Feb 21, 2013)

Well if you're that keen on video, buy a dedicated video camera!

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (Feb 20, 2013)

This is for the first time I'd consider a Sony camera. Not too big and not too expensive.

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flipmac
By flipmac (Feb 20, 2013)

What? The older NEX 3N and C3 were really small and cheap too. Actually, the NEX bodies are generally smaller than most mirrorless and are obviously smaller than any DSLR.

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PaulRivers
By PaulRivers (Feb 20, 2013)

That sounds really cool, but - has Sony come up with an f2.0 or better **compact** pancake lens **yet**? Like m43rds has, or the Canon mirrorless...

If they have, please post it, and I'll be wrong. But the lack of this kind of lens keeps making the NEX far less useful. Sure, they have a pancake f2.8 - but that's 2 stops behind the lx7, making the low light difference pretty small (especially when others *do* make a compact f2.0 lens). They make an f2.0 prime that's relatively huge for the NEX, negating the advantages of it's small size.

Still seems like the best low light camera with a large sensor is either the Canon EOS-M, or one of the m43rds with the f1.7 prime lens.

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Feb 21, 2013)

what a joke. There's a reason why I haven't bought a compact camera in 7 years, with the few exceptions, namely the RX100, G1x, and a few LARGE sensor compact, they all look mediocre at best and terrible at even medium ISOs. Comparing images at Imaging Resource the Sony F3 at ISO 3200 looked tons better than LX7 did at ISO 800, only when I compared the F3 at ISO 6400 to the LX7 at ISO 800 did the LX7 look better in some areas. Nearly 3 stops difference! Just as striking is the difference an APS-C sensor makes over a fingernail sized sensor at Base ISO. The LX7 still has that watercolor effect, no sharpness. Whereas the F3 looks highly detailed and crisp. I'd happily take the NEX3n over any compact with a sensor smaller than the RX100. Biggest no brainer ever.

And as for the Canon EOS-M, it's too bad they couldn't have put a great sensor in it - it's bested in IQ by every Sony & most new Olympus and Panasonics as well. I'd take a NEX & 20mm F2.8 over the EOS-M with the 22mm F2.

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NowHearThis
By NowHearThis (Feb 21, 2013)

Probably sounded a bit harsh, but the reality is compacts can't match DSLRs, DSLT, or mirrorless cameras (pentax Q exceptioned). The X100(s) can, the G1X can, the Sony RX100 can (vs some) but those cameras have larger sensors (upto 23.7 x 15.7 mm - bigger even on the RX1), not the tiny 1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm) ones found in the advanced compacts.

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vapentaxuser
By vapentaxuser (Feb 20, 2013)

I like what I see, overall. It uses that tried and true 16MP sensor. I like that the battery life has improved (according to Sony), and I like that they are using the 16-50 lens as a kit lens, which I think is better optically than the old 18-55 (not to mention more compact). I noticed they cut the screen resolution in half over the NEX-F3, which is unfortunate, but not the end of the world.

But really, how much can you knock a camera which gives you the same quality as DSLRs in its price range but can fit in your pocket?

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sportyaccordy
By sportyaccordy (Feb 21, 2013)

I am saving my pennies for the CZ 24 1.8. I've wanted a lens like that for years and am OK with paying an arm/leg for it. It strikes to the heart of the bulk of the shooting I do. That, the 50 1.8 and a fast tele MF... I will be covered.

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io_bg
By io_bg (Feb 20, 2013)

LENSES, Sony, lenses are needed to make the NEX system attractive for more experienced shooters!

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The Lotus Eater
By The Lotus Eater (Feb 20, 2013)

That's an old argument that holds less and less water nowadays.

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

What lenses do you have in mind? That being said, IMO, experienced shooters have a wide variety of lenses they can (and do) use on NEX bodies.

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sportyaccordy
By sportyaccordy (Feb 20, 2013)

I have the old kit 18-50 and it's fine for 99% of my shooting. I use it a lot too, I must have taken 5K shots since last September when I bought it.

My only "gripe" with the lenses available is that they are pricey. But I would be fine with an 18-200, a ~20-25 f/2 prime and *maybe* a ~70-90 f/2 prime. On a regular DSLR that's maybe $1500 in glass... on this system it's probably double that.

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iudex
By iudex (Feb 20, 2013)

Old argument, but still true. It is obvious that Sony introduces more bodies than E-mount lenses. What possibilities do I have if I want a a fast normal zoom, something like 17-50 or 18-55 with f2,8? None. What possibilities do I have if I want a faster telezoom? None. The 16-50mm lens was the lens that best matches small NEX bodies and I welcomed this lens but it is too slow and if I want something faster, there is no E-mount zoom lens I can choose.

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Azurael
By Azurael (Feb 20, 2013)

@iudex If they released a lens like that, there'd just be threads full of people complaining about how big it was. You can always use the 16-50 f/2.8 Alpha lens on the adapter if you insist on having a lens that's ill suited to the body. I don't really see the point of the 18-200, either, but they make that. What I want is a full range of small primes (preferably with SteadyShot.) Still, the only E-Mount lens I own is the 18-55 that came with my 5N. I bought the camera for my MF primes... Although I will switch it for a NEX-6 and get the LA-EA2 someday so I can use it as a backup body.

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

@iudex:
This is why: http://j.mp/T2mwRz

A fast zoom lens for larger sensor is going to be big and if you're willing to live with that compromise, then it just may happen but personally, I would rather have smaller primes that aren't overly expensive either. To me, 16mm f/2.8, 20mm/2.8 (a pancake), 35mm/1.8 and a 50mm/1.8 make a lot more sense as they will cover 24-75mm FF equivalent FOV while actually allowing larger apertures where it matters more... longer FLs.

It is why, my personal preference to longer focal lengths (fast or otherwise) and zooms is to use A-mount lenses via EA1 or EA2 (with latter, I get super fast AF that is necessary to take full advantage of such lenses).

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crisotunity
By crisotunity (Feb 21, 2013)

These are the kind of comments that slay me: how many people would buy a big/heavy f2.8 zoom that costs around £1,000?! Especially when you can pick up the Sigmas (19mm and 30mm) for less than £200. You can even throw in a Sony 50mm 1.8 and you are still saving over £500.

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noegd
By noegd (Feb 20, 2013)

Is this the same sensor as in the 6 and 5N?

Can anyone confirm the 3N has an accessory port and takes the optional EVF? If the top cover hides the accessory port, where is the pup-up flash hiding?

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The Lotus Eater
By The Lotus Eater (Feb 20, 2013)

I can't see an accessory port.

The specs however seem to indicate an optional EVF, but I guess this is most likely another one of dpreview's lazy copy & paste jobs from a previous NEX.

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noegd
By noegd (Feb 20, 2013)

It indeed looks like this 3N has no accessory port, according to other previews.

Still, an interesting kit with the 16-50, at less than half the price of the NEX-6 kit, if I believe the list price announces in Europe.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (Feb 20, 2013)

This is all I have to say about NEX: the size advantage is an illusion, you get big lenses with clumsy small bodies.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#325.90,393.321,ha,t

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AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Feb 20, 2013)

Actually, the big lens is the real illusion. If you look at NEX-5 + 16-50mm, the lens look big. But with NEX-6, the lens look just okay. So big body makes the lens look smaller vice versa.

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noegd
By noegd (Feb 20, 2013)

The 16-50 collapsible zoom makes this a very compact kit. Many entry-level users would not buy any other lens.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Feb 20, 2013)

Mike99999, good comparison. And the Nikon's lens is actually faster.

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evoprox
By evoprox (Feb 20, 2013)

What the NEX system needs IMO are fast, high-quality lenses, not more bodies.

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blank_
By blank_ (Feb 20, 2013)

true, but it's nice that they made the body smaller this time. I wish they go for even more compact body in rx1/100 style.

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (Feb 20, 2013)

Are the 8/2.8, 16/2.8 + WA + FE adapters, 20/2.8, 24/1.8, 35/1.8, 50/1.8, 32/1.8, 19/2.8, 30/2.8 and 60/2.8 not enough?

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Nudibranco
By Nudibranco (Feb 20, 2013)

definetely not...

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

10-18mm f/4, 8mm/2.8, 20mm f/2.8, 35mm/1.8, 50mm/1.7 and 16-50PZ for an occasional use. That is plenty for my personal use. And, of course, pretty much any legacy or A-mount lens out there.

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TonyC5D
By TonyC5D (Feb 20, 2013)

Decent long tele lenses and a longer macro would be a start.

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

TonyC5D, if the last lens I would want resources put it, it would be a macro lens for E-mount.

As for tele, what kind of lens do you have in mind that befits the purpose of a range-finder style camera, also keeping in mind what purpose you might be wanting such lens for.

Hint: Until on-sensor PDAF matures that it can compete with mirror-based PDAF system, A-mount lenses via EA2 adapter are the solution. My personal favorite is Minolta 200/2.8: Very fast AF, smallish size and manageable weight (under 3 lb for the entire set up).

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TonyC5D
By TonyC5D (Feb 20, 2013)

The current 30mm macro is too short, a 60 would be better, then the NEX system with its flip up LCD becomes a good camera for macro. As for tele lenses just look at what users like nzmacro and many others are doing with adapted lenses. Why should we have to pay for the Sony or other adaptors, there is obviously a demand for 300 or 400mm lenses so why don't Sony fill it?

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

TonyC5D,
What are people going to do with 300mm or 400mm lenses? Members like nzmacro rely on their expertise with Manual Focus. Then there are people who use adapters for two main reasons:
1- Fast AF (key to marketing of expensive lenses)
2- Cheaper

I'm one of them. I do not see a point to allocating resources to building $2K lenses for NEX lineup that will find limited use. As I said earlier, at least until on-sensor PDAF technology matures to compete with mirror based systems.

As for macro, I personally don't see why E-mount needs its own macro lens when it can be easily adapted to use pretty much ANY macro lens out there.

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TonyC5D
By TonyC5D (Feb 20, 2013)

You could argue the same for DSLRs why bring out lenses when you can adapt old ones. Surely the aim of any system is to have a system not limitations. We are not talking about some amateur step up from point and shoot. My NEX 7 cost the best part of £1000, I changed to mirror less to reduce size and weight, not to be told I would have to use adaptors or non system lenses to take the pictures I want. I really love the NEX cameras but if they are supposed to be a serious alternative to DSLRs then at some point they have to expand the lens range. Just because you are happy with a limited range (and I'm not having a go at you) does not mean that all users are. Not too much to ask for a decent macro and a couple of long lenses is it?

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TonyC5D
By TonyC5D (Feb 20, 2013)

I would also point out that in micro 4/3 I can buy a 200 to 600 f4.5 to 5.6 equivalent lens for £419 (nowhere near $2000) so its not impossible surely for Sony?

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 21, 2013)

TonyC5D, and you can buy a super zoom compact with 800 mm or so, for a fraction of the price. Smaller sensors can get you that. What do you get for that money for APS-C and Full Frame sensor?

DSLRs aren't quite as good at adapting as NEX. In fact, that is the number one reason I have a NEX. And my love for MF. People don't get DSLRs for that, they do get NEX for that.

But, like I said, if you want telephoto reach, why not go adapter way, especially if you also want super fast AF speed?

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Sonyshine
By Sonyshine (Feb 20, 2013)

I cannot understand why Sony have already replaced the NEXF3 which has not been out for even a year with yet another similar camera? Do Sony really want us to think that their cameras have a life cycle of less than a year? If so they will lose a lot of customers very quickly. I hope it is more reliable than my very troublesome NEXF3 too.....maybe thats why it has been dropped already?

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flipmac
By flipmac (Feb 20, 2013)

Maybe Sony think they made a mistake with the "ugly" F3 (see comments below), so they release this on that looks more like the previous 3N and C3 as well as the current 5R.

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chadley_chad
By chadley_chad (Feb 20, 2013)

What's the problem with a new model each year? No ones forcing you to upgrade and often the upgrade isn't worthwhile to an existing user. Are you therefore saying manufacturers shouldn't improve just because you don't like it that you haven't got the latest model? My NEX-C3 does me just fine now as it did when it was new and all singing .... I'm more interested in improving my photography skills rather than making sure I always have the latest gadget!

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Deeso
By Deeso (Feb 20, 2013)

Now that there's a truly compact zoom the NEX series is starting to find the right balance.

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YLK
By YLK (Feb 20, 2013)

No touch screen, wish it had one. That's one of the main differences compared to 5R.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Feb 20, 2013)

And lack of on-sensor phase-detection AF.

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beetle0042000
By beetle0042000 (Feb 20, 2013)

It's a base model.What do you expect ??

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John Romas
By John Romas (Feb 20, 2013)

So there is no on-sensor phase-detect focusing for this camera? Strange choice by Sony, considering that it's supposed to have the same sensor as the NEX-5R. Probably they want to "differentiate" the NEX lineup...

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

And less expensive.

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007peter
By 007peter (Feb 20, 2013)

>> Beautiful <<, this is the True Upgrade to my beloved C3. The F3 was just too ugly. This new 3N is love @1st sight.

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ronniet
By ronniet (Feb 20, 2013)

Totally agree. I like the C-3 so much I'll keep it when I get the 3-N.

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (Feb 20, 2013)

So why buy a new body if you do like the 'old' one so much. I would say that you don't have to buy a new camera, just use the older one and buy some nice lenses.

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AmaturFotografer
By AmaturFotografer (Feb 20, 2013)

Agree, F3 was ugly.

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crisotunity
By crisotunity (Feb 20, 2013)

My F3 is the ugliest camera I have ever owned; but it is surprisingly robust (even if it doesn't feel like it should be), it has a shockingly useful bouncing flash and it works with the additional EVF.
I can't help thinking that (marketed properly and bundled with the smaller 16-50) the F3 could have been a total slam dunk in the mirrorless space.

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ronniet
By ronniet (Feb 20, 2013)

Thorgrem
I need an extra body. However I've just noticed the 3N screen resolution is only half that on the C-3 which has put a dampened on it for me :(

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Jefftan
By Jefftan (Feb 20, 2013)

210 gram is indeed quite amazing for a APS-C sensor camera with integrated flash

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Nectar D Or
By Nectar D Or (Feb 20, 2013)

Just counted 9 (!!) NEX bodies announced by Sony in about 2.5 years.

How can anyone keep track? Is there really a difference between those cameras?

I find it hard to take the guys at Sony seriously. Either there is something really wrong with those bodies that need to be replaced every 6 months, or this is just the marketing people ordering the engineers around.

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Jefftan
By Jefftan (Feb 20, 2013)

this may be the reason
"Weighing approximately 210g, the NEX-3N is the world's smallest, lightest interchangeable-lens camera with a large APS-C sized sensor"

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Feb 20, 2013)

Not much point in getting too much lighter when the weight of an interchangeable lens starts to dominate the package.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Feb 20, 2013)

They have 4 different series in a 2 x 2 model lineup. 2 with and 2 without EVFs. Each model gets a mild update about once per year, with the higher end models being replaced a bit longer than that. This is completely in line with EVERY major manufacturer, in mirrorless and DSLRs!

Nikon have released 2 Nikon 1 V's, 3 Nikon 1 J's and a Nikon S1 since the 1 series launched what 18 months ago? The J2 was replaced in 6 months. How about Canon and the 500D - 550D - 600D - 650D? Or Panasonic GF1-GF2-GF3-GF5? The GF2 was on the market for a good six months before it was replaced.

There have been a grand total of 9 NEX models since launch (for those counting that would be 3/C3/F3/3N 5/5N/5R 6 7), that is only 3 more than the Nikon 1's. For goodness sake, let the NEX bashing die...

(oh and I don't own or intend to own a NEX, just a bit tired of someone saying something on the net and every idiot just constantly repeating it).

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AlanG
By AlanG (Feb 20, 2013)

I think it is Sony trying to stay a step ahead of everyone else while covering as many aspects of digital cameras as possible.

By combining this body with the very light weight and compact 16-50 they have a pretty special product IMHO.

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ronniet
By ronniet (Feb 20, 2013)

I've never understood why a photographer would gripe about a new camera release – the more the better. This a golden age for photographers. Sony are having to work hard to sell their product and this is a nice upgrade to the C-3. The F3 was a bit of a stumble, perhaps, but who doesn't stumble from time to time.

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crisotunity
By crisotunity (Feb 20, 2013)

+1 If you don't like it, don't buy it; hooray for capitalism.
And I am totally amazed at the quality of the gear we have at our disposal at ridiculously low prices (which, perversely makes some people grumble even more).

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (Feb 20, 2013)

@steve_hoge: "Not much point in getting too much lighter when the weight of an interchangeable lens starts to dominate the package."

NEX-3N + 20mm f/2.8 pancake: 270g. That is little over a half lb.

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mbot
By mbot (Feb 20, 2013)

The lens alone is worth the price of entry, that new 16-50 introduced with the NEX6 is an absolute ripper with its optical performance. And the proven sensor combined with the new Bionz processor simply tops-off the package.

As long as this thing has exposure bracketing, well really this would have to be the best value for money EVIL (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens) camera on the market, and it is lightweight too plus good battery life relatively speaking. For the 'Less-is-more' crowd' this is a dream come true with tried and true technologies; not much to criticize at this price-point i say.

The sensor combined with the new Bionz processor will even outperform the NEX6 since the NEX6 does not have the new Bionz processor. If i was totally strapped for cash this would be it, however, i'm tossing-up between the upcoming Samsung NX300 and the Alpha 58 depending on review results in the noise performance from these two. What a great time to be in the camera market.

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WillMc
By WillMc (Feb 20, 2013)

I actually like my F3. I've had none of the reliability problems others cite; I like its size (easy to hold); it seems to be built very well, plastic notwithstanding; and if it's not the smallest NEX, it is quite small compared to my daughter's Canon 3ti with its kit lens of 18-55, same as on the F3.

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Hannu108
By Hannu108 (Feb 20, 2013)

@ronniet:

F3 was a stumble??

With F3 you got a proper grip, built-in flash, faster performance, 180 degree tilting LCD and industry leading battery life. Compare here:

C3:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEXC3/NEXC3A6.HTM

F3:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-nex-f3/sony-nex-f3A6.HTM

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ronniet
By ronniet (Feb 20, 2013)

Hannu108
…and there's me complaining about other people griping :) Also, I've just noticed the 3N screen resolution is only half that on the C-3 which has put a dampener on it for me :(

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