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Just Posted: Canon EOS 6D In-depth Review

By dpreview staff on Feb 13, 2013 at 01:09 GMT
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Just Posted: Our in-depth review of the Canon EOS 6D. Announced last autumn, the 20MP EOS 6D is Canon's newest full-frame camera, offering a cut-down feature set compared to its big brother the 5D Mark III, but at a more affordable price. The 6D has some unique tricks up its sleeve though, including built-in Wi-Fi and GPS, as well as a super-sensitive central AF point capable of focusing in extremely low light. Is the 6D the budget-friendly full-frame DSLR that Canon enthusiasts have been waiting for? Click the links below to read our 25-page review.

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Total comments: 530
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gl2k
By gl2k (Feb 13, 2013)

I'm deeply impressed and overwhelmed by the sensor. Plays almost in Nikon D4 territory !! Wow !!! That said from a Nikon user & lover !!!
At ISO 6400 (RAW) it's pretty close to the D4, much better than D600 and makes the A99 look like a P&S (sorry Sony).

8 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

In all fairness - it even trumps the 5D3...
It's freaking amazin'.

This is THE indoor event camera to shoot with in dimly lit places (concert halls!).

4 upvotes
sandy b
By sandy b (Feb 13, 2013)

Only in jpg, sorry.

7 upvotes
Eleson
By Eleson (Feb 13, 2013)

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/5639653565/photos/2432583/6d-a99-d800?inalbum=cameracomparison

Nope, jpeg aren't amazingly detailed. Washed and noise free perhaps.

0 upvotes
AngelicBeaver
By AngelicBeaver (Feb 13, 2013)

I think I may have found my backup camera for my EPL2.

22 upvotes
ilya82
By ilya82 (Feb 13, 2013)

Got mine yestersday. The first thing I can say -for me this camera is a reincarnation of the legendary 5D :) Pictures has the same charm as 5D had.
Very happy!

8 upvotes
rjjr
By rjjr (Feb 13, 2013)

Ilya82 said: "Pictures has the same charm as 5D had."

I was thinking the same thing.

1 upvote
Ak pinxit
By Ak pinxit (Feb 13, 2013)

and what is the charm of 5D ? I'm not being cynic but curious

1 upvote
rjjr
By rjjr (Feb 13, 2013)

Ak pinxit wrote: "what is the charm of 5D ? I'm not being cynic but curious"

I can only describe it as an aesthetically pleasing quality I find in many examples of 5D (version 1) images I've seen. YMMV

1 upvote
Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (Feb 13, 2013)

After reading your comment I've got a bit curious and went through DPR sample gallery of 5D. While the samples were certainly great visually, I am astonished how much shadow noise was present in higher ISO images in those days.

1 upvote
Ak pinxit
By Ak pinxit (Feb 13, 2013)

well , Picture Style Editor will make any Canon DSLR (through loading 5D profile) to shoot images like an actual 5D , won't it ?

0 upvotes
ilya82
By ilya82 (Feb 13, 2013)

"and what is the charm of 5D ? I'm not being cynic but curious"
They looks...I don't know... alive? Very close to film, as I remember it.

1 upvote
Noogy
By Noogy (Feb 13, 2013)

DPR can continue to lavish praises over the D600 and I don't care. They completely ignored the quality control issues in the process, yet felt it was ok to give it a gold rating. Come on guys! But then again that's the reason I proceeded to buy the 6D way before this review came out, because DPR ceases to be the benchmark on camera reviews that it used to be.

5 upvotes
JakeB
By JakeB (Feb 13, 2013)

You gotta reach for QC issues in another camera to make yourself feel good about your purchase, that's pretty pathetic.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
8 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

You haven't read the review thoroughly.
It's mentioned VERY clearly (QC). Have a look.

And don't hesitate to come back and edit your post.

17 upvotes
Noogy
By Noogy (Feb 13, 2013)

Clean sensors rock guys. Common sense. Go take your risk. Your money anyway.

4 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

Look at my posts below. I like this camera. That's beside the point, however.

You didn't read the review thoroughly. Only thing missing was a DxO-conspiracy reference. Wet cleaning a sensor is not rocket science. Takes a bit of patience - and the right tools.
Or a small cash amount - your pick.

In any case - you wasted the opportunity to go back - read and really comprehend what the review said.

3 upvotes
Noogy
By Noogy (Feb 13, 2013)

Wet-cleaning sensors is soooooo 20th century. At this time and age of manufacturing? Come on! I read the entire review of the 6D. What is clearly missing in the D600 review is a factual statement that should have said "for those who are lucky to purchase a unit without the QC problems, it is a terrific camera." Hope and luck have ceased to be bankable manufacturing strategies, last that I know.

5 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

?

"Something that we've definitely got our eye on though, and which we'll be in a better position to comment on over time, is the D600's apparent tendency to attract sensor dust. We're working with Nikon to understand (and further test) this issue and we'll update this review accordingly as we use the camera over time."

!

1 upvote
Noogy
By Noogy (Feb 13, 2013)

Does not change the fact that it should have been called out more strongly. That until QC problems on the very sensor are conclusively kissed goodbye, avoid this camera. Or be prepared to wet clean your sensor, if I may quote you.

3 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

Of course.

I'm afraid we'll have to get used to poor QC - unless we pay a premium.

All camera manufacturers have to make money. Nikon is no exception. In the face of ever increasing raw material costs (magnesium e.g.) and outsourced sensor production, there is only one option:

Reduction of the labour force. Including those working in QC.
Very 21st century, if I may paraphrase you.

Just have a look at the 5D3 pricing vs. the 5D2. And you still need some black tape to prevent light from entering the camera thorugh the top plate.

I can live with this tradeoff for a very fairly priced camera.

1 upvote
mantra
By mantra (Feb 13, 2013)

noogy may i ask you where did you read about QC ?
QC=quality control

0 upvotes
Noogy
By Noogy (Feb 13, 2013)

Dirt on the VERY sensor is miles apart from black tape problem. But you're right about QC compromises and cutting corners. Too bad Nikon benchmarked with us a few years back at Intel and yet it appears they learned little about package design and assembly.

1 upvote
mantra
By mantra (Feb 13, 2013)

but almost every Dsrl come with a dirty sensor

oil or dust

Comment edited 56 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (Feb 13, 2013)

@Noogy
You really are sad...
the 6D is a nice camera, enjoy...
That does not change the fact that on paper and in real world shooting it is outclassed by the Nikon D600.
You can complain all you want about dirty sensor. It takes 5 minutes to clean, however, you cannot clean up less dynamic range, slower frame rate, more focusing points, built in flash, more megapixels...As I said, enjoy your camera

4 upvotes
babola
By babola (Feb 13, 2013)

Noggy...buyer's remorse can be a real b$tch sometimes.

2 upvotes
Lanski
By Lanski (Feb 13, 2013)

The D600 got a gold award, the one above what the 6D got.

The D600 has an outstanding sensor, good build, very good AF, dual card slots, flash, higher resolution, higher FPS. The Canon has (probably) got a cleaner sensor, WiFi, GPS and a cool middle autofocus point, whilst costing more upon release. Obviously the value you place on these differences will affect which one you perceive as better, but I don't think that DPR's decision to award the D600 a higher accolade (by one) seems unreasonable.

3 upvotes
caretatra
By caretatra (Feb 13, 2013)

Hello,
on page 19. of this review - when I click on the picture, wich should be taken with the D600 at ISO 6400 - the picture is named "D600_ISO12800". Exif´s say "Sensitivity Type = recommended exposure index (REI) (2)"
So was this picture taken at ISO 6400 or at ISO 12800?
Regards
Marcel

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

This is fixed now - two of the files were wrongly linked (but correctly named). Sorry about that.

1 upvote
Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (Feb 13, 2013)

6D looking good so far as a de-contented entry FF dSLR, i like -3EV moonlight capable AF (my 5DMkII cannot compare!)

the classic-versatile Canon PowerShot VASS (Vari-Angle Swivel Screen) for 'eye-away-from-camera-body' shooting flexibility is long (missing and) overdue for FF dSLRs. make it modular, for those who want it; and so those who don't, need not get it. [and, no, a smartphone makes for terrible ergonomic 'tack-on/tehtered' VASS-remote]

(yes, keep the OVF, I still want direct focus/zoom non-powered Optical VIEW capability, not just 'electronic')

prosumers do enjoy VASS-perspective shooting, unlike working pros who might only use VASS for Cine/Video. please, Canon, offer Modular-VASS!!! (modularity offers upgradability/replaceability much easier; plus a '2nd' Preview screen can only give one greater choices on ExpSim LV (Final Exposure Simulation))... that also doubles as a detachable remote (EOS-1 dual controls, pls... not just 'touch screen')

sdyue

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3 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

The 6D is not a camera for crop-shooters upgrading. It's a very specialized tool. Nobody has made an indoor concert/event camera like this before - especially considering the price point.

I shoot corporate events (at my workplace) - but not as a professional. We have approx. 8-10 events a year. I use my D7000 (premature sale of the D700 I'm afraid - and the D800 doesn't fit the bill) along with a 70-200. It's great - but I have some serious reservations about upping the ISO (above 3200), and the AF-performance could be better. A good friend (wedding shooter) has the D600 - I'll try it on for size.

Returning to the 6D. The lowlight focusing ability paired with the awesome high ISO performance make it a very specialized tool. One of a kind. The problem is - this seems to be a supplement to the 5DMK3. Not a stand alone camera. Time will tell if they are leaving a flank open for Nikon to exploit with the D600.

Or maybe they just don't deem the 5D3 to be THAT expensive.

Hmm.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Lanski
By Lanski (Feb 13, 2013)

Again, I agree, though I'd say it probably suits a few different areas of special interest. I do think it's a shame that it seems to be a little deliberately compromised though, or that it isn't cheaper (either would be fine!).

0 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (Feb 13, 2013)

Nice camera. Lovely image quality. Loads of lenses available.

In many ways it is a "no brainer" and an obviously safe purchase.

But here's the thing - and I know this is unusual here on DPR, but these days I prefer using an EVF. I prefer the EVF because I don't chimp after the image, but instead get it right before I shoot.

For ME at least, I don't think I am likely to buy another traditional mirrored DSLR again.

I would personally welcome seeing more FF cameras with EVF's.

An unusual opinion maybe, but some of us prefer the road less travelled.

7 upvotes
h2k
By h2k (Feb 13, 2013)

Your opinion is not unusual, at least not for me. I'd wish a FF camera with a side-hinging live view touch screen monitor (and a fast live view at that).

Comment edited 7 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Feb 13, 2013)

Personally, if Canikon removed the bright, beautiful OVFs of their FF cameras in favor of an EVF, I'd never buy one.

21 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (Feb 13, 2013)

I can relate to that, but I think it is about how you work.

I like to view my subject with my eyes, without the camera to my face, only peering through the VF for a relatively short period of time to frame and take the shot. I don't spend a lot of time gazing through the VF, perhaps almost hiding behind the camera (?) :)

With an EVF, you instantly get a feel for if the WB and the Exposure is right, before you shoot. I love it and would never go back now.

But thats just me. :)

1 upvote
Infared
By Infared (Feb 13, 2013)

Major benefit of EVF is reviewing images. Can't beat it!
Each VF type has its pluses and minuses...another reason why MFT Is the perfect complementary system to a FF system....you can get the best of both worlds.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Noogy
By Noogy (Feb 13, 2013)

You can always attach a field monitor on any DSLR if you thirst for the EVF. Superb implementation of live view also works. I own the Sony NEX-5, it is a wonderful camera. But hell no, it is nowhere close to the image quality of FF DSLRs.

1 upvote
dodgebaena
By dodgebaena (Feb 13, 2013)

I switched from the 5D/5D2 to the Sony SLTsparticularly for both the EVF and the hinge monitor. My mouth waters when I see the specs on the current ful frames from both Canon and Nikon, esp since the autofocus is a huge improv over the 5D2. But I need that EVF.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Feb 25, 2013)

A99

0 upvotes
Earthlight
By Earthlight (Feb 13, 2013)

I wonder if the battle between Nikon and Canon will eventually end up like it did between Apple and Nokia.

Thanks for the great review DPR folks!

1 upvote
SirSeth
By SirSeth (Feb 13, 2013)

... or iOS and Android.

0 upvotes
hea
By hea (Feb 13, 2013)

Battle between Apple and Nokia ended with Samsung winning

2 upvotes
MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (Feb 13, 2013)

No 50/60fps video in a pro/prosumer DSLR? Canon, really! That's why mine's a Sony NEX. Yup, awful menus and handling, but the stills and video is superb for such a small piece of kit.

5 upvotes
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Feb 13, 2013)

A fine review. I’m amazed you can pump out a review of this quality in three weeks of hands-on time. I guess that’s economies of scale for you.

All those interesting scenes carefully chosen for the viewfinder images, the display images, the coin video, etc.? I noticed them. I appreciate that kind of attention to detail.

I like the tungsten low-light setup on page 19, too (and bonus points for using a mambo theme rather the usual reviewer’s plastic clutter). But could you please check the links to the full-size D600 images on that page? They seem to go to photos at one-stop higher ISO than the 6D images.

The video moiré problems shown on page 21 are pretty disappointing. It seems that video in SLRs is a hard nut to crack: every camera seems to have a ‘gotcha’.

I have my own, slightly different conclusions about this camera (I like it a lot, though I shoot Nikon), but your review lets me do that. I’m renewing my DPReview subscription as I type.

9 upvotes
Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Feb 13, 2013)

Thanks for the kind words Samuel. As a bonus, we've just upgraded you to a free 5 year subscription :-)

Will check the D600 links when I get into the office.

3 upvotes
Lanski
By Lanski (Feb 13, 2013)

Seconded. I think the level of detail in the reviews doesn't get enough mention here. I've just made a purchase (different camera) and the immense review makes me feel like I already know it inside out. I particularly benefitted from being able to download RAW files, then download RAW files taken with a 7D (which I own) of the same scene, process them both myself and really understand what I'm going to be using.

That alone was worth more than the subscription price ;)

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

The links are fixed, that was my fault (and Dreamweaver's fault for being so awkward)

1 upvote
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Feb 13, 2013)

Lanski: agreed.

Amadou: I like that bonus!

Barney: give Dreamweaver another kick for us when you get time. The ISO 12800 and 25600 links for the D600 are still broken, though I can (and did) get the right files by guessing the URLs. (Note the D600 ISO 12800 link goes to a 6D file.)

This new low-light test is very well-designed. You can tell a LOT about camera performance from the photos. So much, in fact, that raw files of the scene would be useful too, and even examples at lower ISOs.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 14, 2013)

Clear your browser's cache and you should see the correct links.

0 upvotes
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Feb 14, 2013)

Still wrong, Barney – ISO 12800 D600 link goes to 6D file – but I’ve got the files manually so I’ll shut up now.

0 upvotes
Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (Feb 13, 2013)

No built-in flash, so external controller required for shooting with groups of flashguns
Relatively unsophisticated Auto ISO (really how so?)

No mention of this on the A99 review (lacking a built in flash)
DPR again show a lack of consistency with reviews
Fair enough on some points (such as single slot, lack of AF points etc) Canon probably did cut it down too much.

But if you selectively apply critique to one model and not another it looks like you are not being fair.

5 upvotes
io_bg
By io_bg (Feb 13, 2013)

Don't forget the 6D is cheaper and aimed at enthusiasts/crop sensor camera upgraders.

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

Crop sensor upgraders who already have wireless flash control and much better AF systems.....

1 upvote
Van Jessops
By Van Jessops (Feb 13, 2013)

I am very confused about "silver" and "gold" rewards. Canon 5d mark III got 82% and "gold". Canon 6D got a higher score - 83% and only "silver". The heck, where's the logic here?? Unless silver is more valuable then gold:)

4 upvotes
Michel Pont
By Michel Pont (Feb 13, 2013)

Something that people don't understand is that there is different camera categories.

The ranking should be compared with camera from the same category.

If a Camera from entry level category is ranked 99%...that does not mean it is better than professional level camera which is ranked 75%.

Got it ? ;)

8 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (Feb 13, 2013)

That's not what he was confused about. Why does 82% = Gold but 83% = Silver. Apparently there is no correlation between percentage score and medal colour. It's all pretty silly anyway and doesn't matter. The fact is the 6D takes great photos as does any modern camera so it's down to personal preference as to whether you choose the 6D, the D600 or whatever else.

8 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

Read the comments. Then it makes sense.
It's not a decathlete. But what it does well - it does better than anyone else.

I'm falling in lust with this camera.

0 upvotes
Van Jessops
By Van Jessops (Feb 13, 2013)

@Michel Point - As Technotic noticed I am confused not by different categories - please read my post again - but by "Gold" and "Silver". And apparently Technotic is right - there is no correlation between the score and the color of reward.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained

0 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (Feb 13, 2013)

Where's the D4 review? Where's the 1DX review? Jeeez...

1 upvote
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

On the other hand, how much do we pay to use this site?

5 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (Feb 13, 2013)

That doesn't answer my question! It is a major joke, that the folks of the leading site of camera reviews, are not able to review the flagships of Canon and Nikon. I know it's Carnival, but hey!

Comment edited 30 seconds after posting
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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

Maybe if we all paid a subscription they could hire more people to do what seem to be extremely comprehensive technical evaluations.

But you don't need to know all the really techie stuff do you? If you take great photos no-one will notice whether it's 120lpm or 130lpm, it you take crap photos no amount of lpm will improve them.

What I'm saying is you can get too obsessed over tiny details that no-one would have noticed or even cared about before the technology evolved to measure them.

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3 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (Feb 13, 2013)

Jesus shoots m43 so doesn't care.

8 upvotes
SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

Chuck Norris shoots Canon. He doesn't like words like "Micro".
And we all know that Chuck'll roundhouse kick anyone who disagrees.

No blasphemy intended. Just facts.

1 upvote
Eleson
By Eleson (Feb 13, 2013)

It's a bit like demanding a test of a Ferrari before buying it.
If you need the review to make a judgement of the camera , then the camera may not be for you.
They review the cameras that are will reach the most buyers.
- Really quite simple.

0 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

Relativism and irenicism get us nowhere.

0 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

Here's my handy review:

It's lighter than expected. It's more plasticky than expected (not in a bad way). The viewfinder is lovely and large and bright. The autofocus is nice and simple. The button layout is excellent. The picture quality is as good as anyone's. Canon seem to have opted for unnecessary gadgets that no-one will use (wifi, GPS) instead of useful things like built in flash.

Overall it's a nice carry-about camera for people who are kidding themselves that full frame is going to make a major difference to their photos, when really it's the viewfinder they will notice most. Gadget freaks will worry that it hasn't got this or that complex function but it's got all you need to take great photos easily. I'd buy one.

3 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

Forgot to mention, the quite mode is amazingly effective, and it doesn't slow the camera down much either.

0 upvotes
meland
By meland (Feb 13, 2013)

I think you'll be surprised how many people will benefit from WiFi.

But yes the quite (sic) mode is quiet good.

8 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

I think things like wifi will be tried once and forgotten about as a pointless gimmick. That is unless people are really buying a FF camera to upload pics to facebook? Nah....

2 upvotes
rurikw
By rurikw (Feb 13, 2013)

No wifi is not a gimmick on this camera. It's a necessity since it lacks an articulated screen.

3 upvotes
meland
By meland (Feb 13, 2013)

It's easy to make denigrating remarks about WiFi being for users of Facebook (which very few will ever use it for) but as a facility for wirelessly linking a large, high resolution screen such as that in an iPad, as a remote viewfinder it's brilliant.

2 upvotes
rrccad
By rrccad (Feb 13, 2013)

wifi allows remote wireless tethering in the field - especially with a half decent app that canon supplies.

hardly a "no one ever uses" feature. same with GPS.

the GPS functionality actually goes beyond the normal camera or flash hotshoe triggered GPS add ons by allowing trip logging.

1 upvote
Eelco van Vliet
By Eelco van Vliet (Feb 13, 2013)

And the price is already down to 1700 Euro's (body) and the 7D is around 1200 euros currently. This makes the 6D a very interesting proposition.

0 upvotes
TechnoPhil
By TechnoPhil (Feb 13, 2013)

Great review!

1 upvote
Ubilam
By Ubilam (Feb 13, 2013)

Why no built-in flash? A BIF is handy when you don't lug a dedicated flash.

4 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

Yarp.

0 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Feb 13, 2013)

There is no Built-In Flash because the Pentaprism of a Full Frame camera is bigger than that of an APS-C cropped sensor camera, thus occupying the area where the flash should be hidden.

If you pop up the flash of a cropped sensor camera, you will see the shape of the penta-mirror and how small it is.

1 upvote
dara2
By dara2 (Feb 13, 2013)

And how does nikon manage to put one in d600 and d800?
granted the 6D has wifi and gps patches in it, why 5D2 or 5D3 doesn't have built in flash ?

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Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 13, 2013)

.

Comment edited 12 minutes after posting
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Eleson
By Eleson (Feb 13, 2013)

And how did almost every good'ol film camera manage to make room for a flash?

0 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Feb 13, 2013)

Canon is very good at DOWNGRADING features on cameras, so it will be no surprise Nikon can do it and Canon won't.

.

1 upvote
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Feb 13, 2013)

Hooray for Canon for being the best camera maker to churn out Gelded DSLRs!

The four buttons on the top front of the LCD can only have ONE function each.

Arrgh...cough..cough...choke... ***sputter** whinge..whinge.. (Darth Vader)

Yes folks, we are seeing how REGRESSION can be applied to cameras...

Nice functions overall, but it is very obvious the lab rats at Canon are playing around with the consumers...

.

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rrccad
By rrccad (Feb 13, 2013)

it's obvious to I guess the intelligent lab rats that the same form and function of the 60D buttons on the top right panel are on the 6D.

you need to upgrade your lab rats.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Feb 13, 2013)

The 60D is a DOWNGRADE from the 50D.

The lab rats are alive and well.

.

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rrccad
By rrccad (Feb 13, 2013)

the fact of the matter is, the 6D follows the 60D ergos.

stop beating an already dead horse - for whatever reason, canon decided to realign the ergos starting with the 60D.

if a 70D or a 6D Mark II come out in the future, and have the same ergos are they as well .. downgraded too? of course not.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Feb 14, 2013)

"the fact of the matter is, the 6D follows the 60D ergos."

You are very correct.

They are both DOWNGRADED.

.

3 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

DPR shot a lot of sample photos for the Sigma 35/1.4 with a 6D. See http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/sigma-35mm-f1-4-dg-hsm-review-samples

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ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (Feb 13, 2013)

in most important area , high ISO (for me), it's clearly better than D600 and SLT-A99,,, Good job canon.

5 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

I posted on of DPRs test shots at 3200 ISO to a pro I know (who uses Nikon) and told him to guess the ISO and he reckoned 400!

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (Feb 13, 2013)

The problem is it's NOT clearly better than the D600 at high ISO settings. See the DxOMark comparison:

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-The-best-value-for-money-in-the-EOS-range/Comparisons

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Antony John
By Antony John (Feb 13, 2013)

Yup, The D600 kicks the 1DX butt in all areas.
Go figure.
But when you have to consider Iso 400 as 'High Iso' on Canon guess the 6D rocks. :-)
More seriously though, the 6D seems like a competent camera so I'm sure Canon users will be happy.

0 upvotes
sandy b
By sandy b (Feb 13, 2013)

For a FF camera your really should compare the RAW files, not NR jpgs.

1 upvote
Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 13, 2013)

Canon is only better if you're looking at their jpegs that have heavy, detail destroying noise reduction applied.

0 upvotes
x-vision
By x-vision (Feb 13, 2013)

Kudos to the reviewers for the silver award.
Canon needs to work harder for the price they are asking.

7 upvotes
JustDavid
By JustDavid (Feb 13, 2013)

As you bang about the 'classleading autofocus sensitivity' so much it may be worth pointing that Pentax K-5II and K-5IIs have the same -3EV and are worth half the price. Just to be fair :)

21 upvotes
Alan Brown
By Alan Brown (Feb 13, 2013)

You might want re phrase that to COST half... Rather than ' worth' half .. Unless you meant worth half? B-)

3 upvotes
JustDavid
By JustDavid (Feb 13, 2013)

:) thanks for correcting me... it's definitely the COST version:)

0 upvotes
locke_fc
By locke_fc (Feb 13, 2013)

The K5 is an APS-C camera, so not in the same class, I suppose

1 upvote
Shunda77
By Shunda77 (Feb 13, 2013)

Meh.

1 upvote
InTheMist
By InTheMist (Feb 13, 2013)

The compressed focusing coverage on both the 6D and D600 put me off.

Am I alone?

3 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (Feb 13, 2013)

it depends on how you use your camera. I use a 5D markIII and a Pentax 645D which are at the opposite sides of the spectrum in this regard. I do not find the need for the side focus point so much. Recomposing after focusing can be a challenge if you shoot f/1.2 heat shots frequently and it is probably the only place where it really makes a difference. But again it is a stationary shot most of the time and you do not need a fancy focus point for it.

0 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

No. But it's a lot more noticeable on the D600. The trouble with the D6 focus points is that they are in a diamond when 9 times out of 10 you'll want one on a thirds intersection, sooner or later camera makers will wake up to this and give us proper point coverage in a large rectangle,instead we get hundreds of points in places they aren't needed! Makes me wonder if cameras are even designed by photographers sometimes....

2 upvotes
blank_
By blank_ (Feb 13, 2013)

same for me. Other than that the camera would be perfect for my needs, but without the improvement in AF coverage, I'll keep the 5d mkI for few more years. I also wish they keep the joystick.

edit: the smaller size in nice though, if I had nothing to shoot with, I'd be torn between this and used 5d mkII

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2 upvotes
davidgp
By davidgp (Feb 13, 2013)

I agree on this... is there some advantage (less cost) to putting all the focus points jammed in the middle? It seems obvious that they ought to be around the third points, but they hardly ever are.

2 upvotes
Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (Feb 13, 2013)

Is there a reason for compressed AF points? Yes: cost and size. The AF sensor lives under the mirror box. A larger sensor increases the body height and requires more sophisticated and higher precision optics to direct light onto the AF sensor. See the D800 AF issues for QC vs. precision impacts on AF.

0 upvotes
Daniel Lauring
By Daniel Lauring (Feb 13, 2013)

Owned Canon DSLR's since Canon invented the affordable prosumer DSLR market in 2000 with the 3 megapixel D30. Waited and waited for Canon to release an upgrade to my aging 7D. So what does Canon do? Releases a half hearted effort which is a decontented slap in the face as well. Removes the onboard flash. Lowers the flash sync to 180. Sensor technology one step behind Sony/Nikon. Small viewfinder. Joystick gone. Priced too high. In fact, Canon seems to be entering a new era of pricing equipment out of reach of the prosumer. $2200 for 24-70!!!

Sold all my Canon gear and jumped ship to Nikon.

I still have a nostalgic spot in my heart for Canon but they are going to have to do a lot better to bring me back into the fold.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
33 upvotes
aftab
By aftab (Feb 13, 2013)

Which Nikon did you get as a 7D upgrade equivalent?

6 upvotes
rrccad
By rrccad (Feb 13, 2013)

not to mention, that the FF upgrade to the 7D is the 5D Mark III in all respects.. weird.. lol.

0 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

5Dmk3 doesn't do 8.5fps, but I'm assuming he didn't jump to a D4, either.

1 upvote
kaxi85
By kaxi85 (Feb 14, 2013)

The 7D equivalent would be the cheaper D7000 (which is in the same league as the 60D but can do everything the 7D does), it got the same features, better af and is slightly smaller and got way better iq ;)

2 upvotes
Benarm
By Benarm (Feb 13, 2013)

Silver award is very generous for this heavily handicapped DSLR. Canon got away nicely.

41 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

5 likes but not a peep.

0 upvotes
Jens_G
By Jens_G (Feb 13, 2013)

I don't get the negative reception this camera is receiving. It appears to be a great example of a no-frills "photographer's camera". The bells and whistles people are complaining about are either items you'd find on Pro cameras, or consumer cameras. I like the route Canon have taken.

PS: just because it's a budget camera doesn't mean it needs consumer features.
PS2: just because it's a budget camera doesn't mean it can't be an enthusiast's camera. Not all enthusiasts are rich.

6 upvotes
mgrum
By mgrum (Feb 13, 2013)

It just comes off as a designed by the numbers camera spawned into existence by the expectation that Nikon would release a lower tier FF camera (which turned out to be a more generously specced model which genuinely occupies it's own niche - people with no need for 36 megapixels) rather than a camera conceived in it's own right to be as good as it can possibly be for the price.

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

As a Canon APS-C shooter, this camera is not a straight upgrade. That's the problem for me. I could upgrade from my 60D, but I'd give up many key features just to get a bigger sensor. They don't even match the spec of the 650D! I don't think anyone is saying it isn't capable of great images, it is just kind of a 2 steps forward, 2 steps back kind of camera.

1 upvote
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

That's better, thanks.

0 upvotes
kaxi85
By kaxi85 (Feb 14, 2013)

Huh? Expect for the 1/8000... what does the 60D that the 6D doesn´t?
This Camera is in almost all points better than the old 5DII, better AF, better Sensor, better Viewfinder, etc. etc., - so what?!

0 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 14, 2013)

60D has higher fps, wireless flash control, built in flash, all cross point AF, 1/8000, swivel LCD,

My main gripes are the lack of cross type AF points and wireless flash control. It puts it way down at entry level in my view.

1 upvote
kaxi85
By kaxi85 (Feb 14, 2013)

No Full-Frame DSLR from Canon got a built in flash... so that is not an argument (and because of that it has no flash control), the same with the lcd. The image quality is way better than that what the 60D produces, in all iso ranges.

The 6D is not a sport camera - 4.5 fps is good enough for almost everything else. The only thing that really bothers me ist that the camera does not have 11 cross af-points, but it´s still an upgrade from the 5DMK2, for less.

1 upvote
lightandday
By lightandday (Feb 13, 2013)

I see a price drop on the horizon - or perhaps they will come out with spots on their sensors - Canon will move the Game very soon I feel !

P.S I own four "L" series lens and a 5D Mk11 - and love them !

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Feb 13, 2013)

Ken Rockwell loves it, it must be good :^)

10 upvotes
abi170845
By abi170845 (Feb 13, 2013)

Touche! I shaked my head when I saw his shots of his kids using the 6d with thw 24mmLzoomMk2 to show the capabilities of the combo. Sure, we need a 2000 bucks camera plus a 2000 bucks lens to shoot mediocre photos of our kids. Give me a Canon 1000d and 17-55mm 2.8 I.S and a flash with 1/2 CTO gel and you won't know the difference.

3 upvotes
Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Feb 13, 2013)

I handled one at Bestbuy the other day along with the 5DIII. Very nice ergos indeed, and mouse quiet compared to my D800. Bravo, Canon!

4 upvotes
ageha
By ageha (Feb 13, 2013)

The two new Canons definitely feel better in big hands than the two Nikons.

3 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

The quiet shutter is definitely nice - as a lapsed concert photographer I'd have loved that feature.

7 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Feb 13, 2013)

Is the quiet shutter considerably more quiet than the Q setting on the D800?

2 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

Yes, it is - it's really whisper quiet (well, as far as a camera can whisper). The D600/D800 are quieter than they sound from the perspective of the photographer, but the 6D's genuinely is quiet.

4 upvotes
HankBar
By HankBar (Feb 13, 2013)

And how does it compare to the 5DIII?

0 upvotes
JT_FD
By JT_FD (Feb 13, 2013)

Or the 1Ds III?

0 upvotes
Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Feb 13, 2013)

The "quiet shutter" mode on the D800 is anything but :^( I wouldn't shoot a wedding with one, that's for sure. The only fly in the ointment, really.

0 upvotes
abi170845
By abi170845 (Feb 13, 2013)

I will be renting this camera before I can make up my mind, a mint 5dmk2 is very tempting at around 1200, but for 2000 bucks i'd rather buy some nice lenses or use the money to go on photo trips, 2000 bucks is equal to an airline ticket for two and 10 days stay at a swanky resort in Phuket. Use my 7d for sunsets and sunrise and I don't think people will care what camera I used and using fractal software I can blow the photos up to giant size with no problems.

0 upvotes
Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (Feb 13, 2013)

Is DPR biased against mirrorless cameras, or do you guys get paid / encouraged to flog Canikon bodies to make your Amazon overlords happy? The Panasonic G5 has been out for ages, and you can't be bothered to publish a full test. the OM-D seemed to take forever. There's no word on a GH3 test. But the 6D, which barely exists in the real world, gets a full test already.

DPR's priorities and independence are in serious doubt.

4 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

You're jumping to quite a few conclusions here, some are understandable, some are hilarious, but just a quick note for clarity's sake - we can't review everything allatonce. We have to parcel out a lot of time to complete a full review and we can't always plan this time as neatly as we'd like, because there's a lot going on in the industry. The 6D review is, frankly, late. This is because we had to wait until early January before we recieved a reviewable camera (although we were loaned one over Xmas that we used to do some of the studio work).

The GH3, arrived in our office last week - before that we'd only had access to prototype cameras. This review is in progress right now. The Panasonic G5 will hopefully get a full review, but as always, we have to balance priorities. And sometimes you won't like those priorities, inevitably.

23 upvotes
tonywong
By tonywong (Feb 13, 2013)

I'm pretty sure the 6D has sold very well in comparison to the camera models you've mentioned. Looking at the strength of Canon and Nikon's distributor networks as well as their market share, I would assume the priority would be to get a review of the D600 and 6D out.

That being said, I want to see a GH3 review. :D

4 upvotes
Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Feb 13, 2013)

For the record, the 6D arrived in our office late afternoon, Jan 18, a Friday. The review started the following Monday, Jan 21. And we published today, which is a shade over 3 weeks.

6 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (Feb 13, 2013)

Where on earth did you get the idea that the 6D "barely exists in the real world"? Canon has a huge user base, the 6D is selling in big numbers (See Amazon sales ranking to get a sense of the US market) so any FF Canon is big news. Whether it's your cup of tea or not, that's just the way it is.

The G5 has similar IQ performance to the G3 (a bit better DR), with a more robust body, and 1080p60 video instead of 1080p30 of the G3.
The GH3 is an extremely difficult camera to get a hold of as supplies are limited. It's a highly desirable video camera with decent still quality. Similar to the G5, it has a larger, more robust body vs the GH2. How's that?

But seriously, mirrorless and m43 cameras get more than enough coverage on DPR. Sometimes too much, IMHO.

4 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (Feb 13, 2013)

Hey Barney can we also implement a dislike rating as well, so we can register our displeasure with some of these ludicrous assertions from the likes of Bob Meyer?

4 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

Another conspiracy theory.

Saloon lizards need not apply.

I'm mad.

0 upvotes
Jun2
By Jun2 (Feb 13, 2013)

Amazon owns dpreview, I would think there are plenty of cameras available. I don't understand why it takes so long for dpreview to get a hand on cameras.

3 upvotes
Mark B.
By Mark B. (Feb 13, 2013)

@thx1138 - there was a thumbs-down button, but it was abandoned after being both abused and many complaints.

@Jun2 - DPR, like many review websites, relies on manufacturers to send a production camera for review.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

@Jun2 - we can't (sadly) just take cameras out of Amazon stock to review. That stock is distributed across the entire continent and doing so is hugely complicated and expensive. We rely on manufacturers to send us review samples (just like everyone else).

1 upvote
tonywong
By tonywong (Feb 14, 2013)

Barney, not sure what your budgets are like, but why can't you purchase cameras from wherever and resell them when you're done? I know a great buy and sell forum you could use... :D

0 upvotes
Mssimo
By Mssimo (Feb 13, 2013)

Does the D600 really have more "features" than the 6D? I thought the wifi deal was really cool.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

Some of the big ones are a much more versatile AF system in the D600 (on balance - obviously the 6D can achieve focus in lower light from its central AF point but this won't be a huge deal for many photographers), uncompressed video recording, and a built-in flash that allows you to control a group of flashes. Plus little things like an automatic DX crop mode, which APS-C upgraders will appreciate.

13 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (Feb 13, 2013)

in the D600 the AF points are clustered in the centre, not much of a difference imo, just on the paper. The frame rate does count instead, and the sync speed too. Infrared wireless and pop up flash are a joke, honestly. Get a radio system if you are serious about it. I like that Canon just gets rid of it all together. One more thing that can break and one less distraction without it. What is the point of DX mode? Only if you get a boost in the frame rate. Not needed in the 20MP and 4-5 fps range. D600 image quality is likely to be another bonus over the 6D.

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1 upvote
thx1138
By thx1138 (Feb 13, 2013)

Does the D600 AF actually work better than the 6D 's in real life? Specs say it's got it all over the Canon, but real world feedback is less than stellar.

2 upvotes
babola
By babola (Feb 13, 2013)

thx1138...where is this "real world feedback" you're referring to?
Do tell.

3 upvotes
Vegasus
By Vegasus (Feb 13, 2013)

Dear DPreview.. about the WiFi..
Is there an option where you can transfer the Photo to a Computer wirelessly?

0 upvotes
Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Feb 13, 2013)

Wi-Fi isn't used to transfer images to a computer. Only an iOS or Android device.

2 upvotes
Couscousdelight
By Couscousdelight (Feb 13, 2013)

Seriously ? You can't transfert images to a computer through WIFI ?
It sounds like a joke, why such limitation ?

3 upvotes
sLyX1978
By sLyX1978 (Feb 13, 2013)

You CAN transfer pictures to a computer...I own 6D and I did it few times already. You can even transfer them as you shot, as long as camera is connected are connected.

4 upvotes
Vegasus
By Vegasus (Feb 13, 2013)

Thanks for answering, I am planning to buy but not sure if the Camera will transfer to a computer like the 7D with WFT on.
Currently 7D wif WFT is too heavy to carry if i do constant shooting, planning to change to 6D if it can transfer to a computer. 6D is lighter.

0 upvotes
rishardana
By rishardana (Feb 13, 2013)

I am really torn between upgrading to 6D or moving towards D600 from my current 60D. I've only got several cheap EF-S lenses, and have started selling those. Looking at this review and some other reviews on the web is quite helpful, though I haven't made up my mind yet. I guess one can't go wrong with either one of them, I think.

The only thing that worries me for the D600 is the many dust/black oil and bad QC reports going around. I've seen a lot of YouTube and Flickr photos for this issue.

Anyway, thanks to DPReview though for providing an in depth review of both. Keep up the good work!

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4 upvotes
InTheMist
By InTheMist (Feb 13, 2013)

If you owned any L lenses I would say stick with Canon.

I'm a Nikon guy and I'll not switch because I've got gold-rings in the cabinet.

We're splitting hairs with camera reviews between the big three these days.

16 upvotes
aarif
By aarif (Feb 13, 2013)

I agree with the conclusions mostly but I don't see this as a con. At all

"Slightly lower resolution than all of its full frame peers"

5 upvotes
MAubrey
By MAubrey (Feb 13, 2013)

What else do you gain other than smaller storage size?

4 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Feb 13, 2013)

@MAubrey

Faster image processing on the computer. Every procedure, like unsharp masking, will take time proportional to the number of pixels.

That, together with gaining storage, can be a big deal.

6 upvotes
WT21
By WT21 (Feb 13, 2013)

I do just fine with my 5Dc at 12MP. I could use maybe up to 16. But over that, I don't need it at all, and it just slows down my workflow, which is mainly done on a 3 year old macbook pro.

1 upvote
imax2k2
By imax2k2 (Feb 13, 2013)

@bobbarber Like a 4 mp difference is really gonna make your work flow faster, the difference between 20/24mp is nothing, you wont see a considerable difference unless your going from either the 10-12mp range to 20-24mp or 36mp where its a huge difference from 12mp range.

2 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Feb 13, 2013)

@imax,

I see your point, but you're incorrect. In computing times, even a couple of percent makes a big difference. If you just look at a single picture for a half hour on the screen, or never multi-task, maybe it's different for you.

Computing time is a serious argument against image bloat.

1 upvote
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 14, 2013)

I hope everybody's using SSD's, especially for the system drive.

And 64 GB is about right.

0 upvotes
Ted Williamson
By Ted Williamson (Feb 13, 2013)

The lack of a built in flash is a show stopper for me. As a consumer focused camera it's a very strange design decision not to include it.

18 upvotes
Mark B.
By Mark B. (Feb 13, 2013)

This is normal for Canon full-frame DSLRs, so not strange at all. I'm not sure about other brands.

1 upvote
joejack951
By joejack951 (Feb 13, 2013)

Nikon has never put a pop-up flash on a pro-body DSLR but has put one on every other DSLR, APS-C or full frame including the D700, then D800, and the most recent D600.

10 upvotes
Ted Williamson
By Ted Williamson (Feb 13, 2013)

This isn't a normal camera. It's an attempt to sell a full frame camera to the non professional consumer. I have a 5D Mark II and a 50D. I was hoping to sell both then buy the 6D if it had a built in flash. There are times when I want to travel light and leave the speed light at home. I could never do that with the 5D. When I look at the 6D, I think, why not save up for the 5d Mark III? There's nothing compelling about the 6D. Nikon got it right with the D600 with a built in flash. I have too much Canon gear to change brands. I may see what the 7D Mark II has, but I doubt it will be full frame.

3 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Feb 13, 2013)

The lack of flash is kind of weird.

I thought the mountain/snow/fog ISO 100 shot was spectacular.

The ISO 3200 photo of the girl with one side of her face lit? It could have used flash fill.

1 upvote
paulski66
By paulski66 (Feb 13, 2013)

Plus the fact that you can use the built-in flash on the d600 as a commander. That itself is almost more useful than the flash, imo...

8 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (Feb 13, 2013)

with current ISO performance and 4 stop image stabilization lenses, no flash is better than a bad flash. I am glad that Canon recognizes this. If you like to spend more than $2000 on a camera and you want a pop up flash you probably do not deserve that camera...

1 upvote
babola
By babola (Feb 13, 2013)

armandino...you obviously never heard of a fill-flash, which many of us use.
What an unintelligent generalization.

6 upvotes
armandino
By armandino (Feb 13, 2013)

I generally use 2 Canon 580s and 3 Canon 430s with my wireless pocket wizard system. If I do not use my full arsenal of studio lights. I used to have a 7D, along with my 1DsII, 1DsIII, 5DII, 5DIII and Pentax 645D. I think I know what fill in is and a pop up flash is still a mikey mouse solution, at least for a $2000 camera.
Again, no flash better than a bad flash.

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0 upvotes
dpLarry
By dpLarry (Feb 13, 2013)

Canon is greedy, they want you to plunk down $x00.00 to buy a flash, which is very profitable.

2 upvotes
Juck
By Juck (Feb 13, 2013)

What kind of clueless dumbass uses a piddly built-in unit for serious full-frame photography? Seriously,, listen to yourselves. Stick to the T3is & Nikons,, come back to Canon when you need a real camera.

1 upvote
armandino
By armandino (Feb 13, 2013)

at least somebody is on my side ;)

0 upvotes
Ted Williamson
By Ted Williamson (Feb 13, 2013)

Yeah, with friends like Juck who needs enemas?

4 upvotes
Mark B.
By Mark B. (Feb 13, 2013)

Regardless, it's still a full-frame body and Canon historically has not put a flash on these. The only time I use the built-in as fill is if I forgot the external flash. It's useful for triggering external flash, but a master flash on the body can do that.

0 upvotes
Illumina
By Illumina (Feb 13, 2013)

I'm waiting for the debate about 83% vs 87% :D

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (Feb 13, 2013)

Debate? I'm not sure I'd characterize any of the brand discussions in the Comment section as "debates". Debates are usually civil, rational discussions.

3 upvotes
Illumina
By Illumina (Feb 13, 2013)

So u are saying that the discussions here are irrational?

1 upvote
Illumina
By Illumina (Feb 13, 2013)

Oh i forgot to write that i'm also waiting for 'nikon paid more to amazon' comments..
and we had seen one comment about it.. Totally nonsense comment..

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (Feb 13, 2013)

Yes, they can get irrational. Case in point: the tin foil hat comment above about payoffs. But people are extremely protective of their favorite brands so things can get a bit heated from time to time.

3 upvotes
Illumina
By Illumina (Feb 13, 2013)

@marike6 : yes you are right :D we'll see another irrational comments.. Let's just read it as a joke hahaha..

1 upvote
MrPrime
By MrPrime (Feb 13, 2013)

Man, it's a FF and yet unlike it's peers does not have 100% viewfinder - what a shame.

1 upvote
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