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Just Posted: Canon EOS 6D In-depth Review

By dpreview staff on Feb 13, 2013 at 01:09 GMT
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Just Posted: Our in-depth review of the Canon EOS 6D. Announced last autumn, the 20MP EOS 6D is Canon's newest full-frame camera, offering a cut-down feature set compared to its big brother the 5D Mark III, but at a more affordable price. The 6D has some unique tricks up its sleeve though, including built-in Wi-Fi and GPS, as well as a super-sensitive central AF point capable of focusing in extremely low light. Is the 6D the budget-friendly full-frame DSLR that Canon enthusiasts have been waiting for? Click the links below to read our 25-page review.

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marike6
By marike6 (Feb 14, 2013)

The 6D RAW studio comparison images look good, but they have considerably less saturation than the D600, even at base ISO. By ISO 3200-6400, the D600 image retains good color saturation, while the 6D file seems to lose even more saturation from base ISO. The slight greenish color cast is also surprising.

These color differences are easy to see if you download the ACR converted JPEGs from here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d/24

The 5D III files seem to have better saturation/color depth, a bit closer to the class leading color depth of the D800/D600. The 6D is an excellent camera but these difference may make a difference to someone on the fence about which FF camera to get.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

I'd like to sacrifice color for other qualities, like thinner color filters for higher sensitivity.

our eyes are more adaptable and willing to tolerate low quality colors. actually our ancestors used to be small nocturnal mammals who lost part of color vision (for night vision) and then somehow got it back later, only not as good.

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Dr Aref
By Dr Aref (Feb 14, 2013)

I guess it is unfare to give 6D Silver award with 83% score while 5DIII got a gold with 82% score. Though both of them are full framers, but they belong to different price and user class. For enthusiasts GPS and WiFi is are quite attractive features, but paying extra for them may be heavy on their pockets. Very fast but cheaper SD cardsnowadays should be and advantage for an enthusiast's camera. On camera distortion correction is another reason for which I plan to swap my 5DII with 6D.

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vodanh1982
By vodanh1982 (Feb 14, 2013)

People are tired to answer this question. DPReview should put a link to rating criteria in BOLD in EVERY review.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Feb 15, 2013)

Probably because these criteria are extremely counter-intuitive

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KeeChiuPeng
By KeeChiuPeng (Feb 14, 2013)

People have to manage their expectations when comparing a 6D to a 5D3 which is 1.5x the cost of a 6D. You get what you paid for.

1 upvote
Adrian Joseph Roy
By Adrian Joseph Roy (Feb 14, 2013)

I think more people are comparing it to the Nikon D600. It seems as though Nikon have focused on the core camera features such as AF, viewfinder, and dual card slots to name a few.

WiFi and GPS do not matter to me, and if they did at some point, I could add them.

At this point, many people will say "go buy the Nikon if you like it so much". But for many (myself included), selling all the lenses, flashes, accessories etc. is just not an option.

It seems to me that the features Canon left out of the 6D should be standard fare at this point.

As for getting what you pay for, this is demonstrably false. You pay what you're told to, regardless of what you get. Why is the 5D3 $500 more than the D800?

3 upvotes
Josh152
By Josh152 (Feb 14, 2013)

For me the worst thing about the 6D is that it doesn't have a 100% coverage VF. I know it's close but any $1000+ DSLR without a 100% coverage VF is just unacceptable IMO.

1 upvote
gotak
By gotak (Feb 14, 2013)

They left out way too much. Why such a low flash sync speed? Even the lowly rebel has a slightly faster flash sync. It's badge engineering at work and if the car companies are anything to go by it's a bad idea in the long run.

1 upvote
deep7
By deep7 (Feb 15, 2013)

Bigger, heavier shutter travelling further means a slower flash sync speed, all else being equal. You would have to add weight and cost to counter that, which is not the point of the 6D.

0 upvotes
Adrian Joseph Roy
By Adrian Joseph Roy (Feb 14, 2013)

My opinion:

The 6D is a fine camera. But when you compare it to its closest alternative, it simply falls short. A good portion of that claim is opinion, but at least some of it is pure math.

The 6D should have been a full frame 7D, but instead they gave it an AF system from six years ago, and added a couple features that most people will hardly ever use, and they hammer the battery life. How could Canon possibly think that gimmicky features are more important than a proper AF system? If you REALLY want GPS and WiFi, you can add that crap in later.

As the 5D started to age, the main complaint from people was the AF system. Canon, can you take a hint? People want fast, reliable, and customizable AF systems in 2013. Nobody was whining that the 5D2 couldn't be controlled by their iPhone.

Between the notorious 1D3 AF problems, the outdated 6D AF, the poor AF in the EOS-M. It's getting to the point where saying "at least the AF system doesn't suck" is a compliment for Canon.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Feb 14, 2013)

Well... 6D's central AF point is supposed to work in dimmer light than 5DIII which would be fine for me.

Nikon D800 may have better AF system on paper but its AF module is plagued by accuracy problems. My D800 has been serviced twice for focus point calibration. Nikkor AF-S lenses seem also slightly slower to focus than EF counterparts like 35mm/1.4 and 85mm/1.8. I think I got more accurate focus with 5DII than with D800.

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Adrian Joseph Roy
By Adrian Joseph Roy (Feb 14, 2013)

I bought the 5D2 when it first came out, so I am well used to staying on center AF point and doing the whole focus/recompose thing. But I have read a lot of stuff saying this isn't the way you're supposed to shoot. Hence the reason for the other AF points to begin with.

http://digital-photography-school.com/the-problem-with-the-focus-recompose-method

I wasn't aware the D800 had widespread AF system issues. But I don't have any Nikon gear, so I pay less attention to both good and bad press on their products.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Feb 14, 2013)

51 or whetever AF points is irrelevant if they're not accurate. Of course it would be better fe. to use right focus point for portraits.

In the case of D800 good focus calibration may be different for each focus point because of misaligned AF module. To counter this each focus point should be recalibrated in Nikon service. Sad but true really...

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marike6
By marike6 (Feb 14, 2013)

@Adrian Joseph Roy
There are no widespread D800 AF problems, there was one AF point out of 51 on early D800s that was slightly softer when viewed at 100%.
A 36 mp camera will show missed focus and user errors more readily than lower resolution cameras. The result is tons of newbies are blaming the D800 for their misfires.

The above poster is simply trying to throw the D800 under the bus because you criticized the 6D.

If he owns a D800, then he is speaking about HIS D800, not ALL D800s. The majority of D800 work to specification.

ALL DSLR will have instances of back-focusing and front-focusing with certain lenses. That's why ALL FF DSLRs ship with AF Fine Tune. That's the nature of PDAF.

My D800 focuses EXACTLY the same on all 51 points as it does in LiveView and I've carefully tested it more than once. It provides fast, accurate AF even in low-light. Some will try to score points about their brand favorites at the expense of their not-so-favorites.

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DarkShift
By DarkShift (Feb 14, 2013)

@marike6

There is more to that problem than you suggest. Maybe some Googling would help. I'm just being practical here and not interested in brand fanboyism.

The problem is that many D800 have their AF module misaligned which means the problem is not limited left AF point. To correct this Nikon has issued a procedure to service centers where each AF point is recalibrated. This is what was supposedly done to my D800 and it has helped somewhat. Still I do feel that Canon AF (with similar lenses) is both faster and more accurate.

Simple AF fine tune doesn't help because you can't control all the points separately. If you correct for center point, then other points will go out of focus.

And sensor resolution has not much to do with perception of the problem.

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Rowbear
By Rowbear (Feb 14, 2013)

Thanks for a great review. The 6D looks like a very good travel companion.

2 upvotes
davidodd
By davidodd (Feb 14, 2013)

337 comments and counting..... What's that about 'no such thing as bad publicity"?
Love mine. Love the way it feels, and functions. Great pictures. Good range of lens. Just about light enough to carry up a big hill without regretting it. Love the GPS and Wifi. Sounds mad but why not try one first???? Oh yes, because all the camera shops have closed....

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 14, 2013)

I don't know of any camera that has caused such controversy here, but I think you hit the nail on the head with why people get so obsessed with these reviews, there's no way to try one before buying, so the minute differences, that you don't really notice in actual use, become all important as the only way of seperating one from another.

I had a go on one and thought the 6D would make a good travel/landscape camera, but that's it. Lovely little thing though, and great pics. Might even buy one when the price comes down....

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agentul
By agentul (Feb 14, 2013)

have you seen the micro 4/3 cameras?

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davidodd
By davidodd (Feb 14, 2013)

@agentul: Are you asking me? Yes indeed I've seen them. Got two in fact. Very useful tools, and for some purposes light, cheap and ideal. My GF3 with the Samyang 7.5mm has produced some of my nicest pictures recently, and all for less weight than a FF fish-eye.
On the other hand if you want shallow DOF then m43 isn't ideal, and can work out expensive (e.g. Panasonic 12-35mm for example). You can buy a second hand Canon 5D with an F5.6 kit lens and get SIMILAR (please let no-one start an 'equivalent' argument!) FOV/DOF pictures for £500.
If I was only allowed one kit? I'd keep the m43 because of the weight. What am I taking to on a photo-trip to Rome next week? Both!

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 14, 2013)

If you were asking me then yes, I have seen them and I wonder why anyone would spend so much on a toy. No viewfinder (except the occasional hideous EVF) and the lenses seem really expensive and for what? Inherently less picture quality!

I don't know who buys them, they seem to have been created as an unexploited market segment by clever advertising men but they are too big to fit in a pocket (so not a compact) and not as good as a (cheaper) SLR. No sale for me.

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davidodd
By davidodd (Feb 14, 2013)

Two very different answers. Isn't diversity wonderful!

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 14, 2013)

No.

Erh.

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agentul
By agentul (Feb 14, 2013)

sorry, i mistyped.
hugo808 said: "I don't know of any camera that has caused such controversy here".

i meant to ask if he had seen the comments on the micro 4/3 camera articles. those are wholesale trolling fields.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Feb 15, 2013)

"...the lenses seem really expensive and for what? Inherently less picture quality!".
That is simply wrong. m43 have some of the finest lenses around, all systems considered.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (Feb 14, 2013)

"The EOS 6D is perhaps best understood as a full frame version of the popular EOS 60D"

... with broken flash and articulated screen...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

... with lower frame rate and shutter speed ...

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Andreas Stuebs
By Andreas Stuebs (Feb 14, 2013)

... and who cares? I for one would be happy with the framerate the camera has. Not everyone has need for a high framerate otherwise why would anyone buy a Hasselblad or a Pentax 645D

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Adrian Joseph Roy
By Adrian Joseph Roy (Feb 14, 2013)

And 8 less cross-type AF points.

10 upvotes
deep7
By deep7 (Feb 15, 2013)

I have a 60D. The articulating screen is a total pain and I'd much rather it was fixed. Ditto my G1X and several other cameras before them.

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LSE
By LSE (Feb 14, 2013)

Great review. The 6D could have been a lot more. But it's primitive AF, low resolution, and lack of dual card slots among other things show canon, as usual, is all about protection of their upper lines than actual innovation. In isolation, the camera is not bad, but the d600 easily bests it in many areas making the Nikon the better all around camera choice.

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CFynn
By CFynn (Feb 14, 2013)

"d600 easily bests it in many areas making the Nikon the better all around camera choice"

Yes many D600 owners seem to get lots of free oil on the sensor :-)

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Dyun27
By Dyun27 (Feb 14, 2013)

@ CFynn, I've seen 6D owners complain about some oil on their sensors as well. Oil on sensor is not uncommon for DSLRs, not even the high end ones. Canon is not immune to these things.
My D600 had spots, so I cleaned my own sensor. Done. Now I can enjoy it as much as I want with no hassle.

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blemont denis
By blemont denis (Feb 14, 2013)

with a speed of 8000, a small removable flash, autofocus more points and a removable screen, it would have been perfect. I feel that Canon has deliberately restrained so as not to shade the 5d mark 3. What a pity! for now I keep my money and my 5d 2 ....

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Scorehound
By Scorehound (Feb 14, 2013)

No, it's called a good marketing decision, not a pity. I own the 6D and can't imagine the 5D mkIII being any better than it outside of the AF system. The 5D mkIII doesn't have a popup flash and nobody seems to mind. The 5D mkII only had 9 AF points and nobody is complaining. Canon needed a FF camera that they could lure people to FF without having to sell body parts to afford. And the 6D is it. They aren't trying to compete with the 5D mkIII, and quite frankly nobody who shoots Canon really cares what Nikon does.

The 6D is a great camera and it is a power performer, excellent response time and a wickedly quiet shutter that is great for weddings and events. This camera rocks.

3 upvotes
deep7
By deep7 (Feb 14, 2013)

Great review of an interesting camera. Less about the bells and whistles and more about light weight, good ergonomics and excellent image quality. I found the review nicely balanced and informative. Thanks team.

1 upvote
sparkling elk
By sparkling elk (Feb 14, 2013)

6D is the best landscape, walkaround and (more than that) best FF available light camera in such a small package and at such a price.
I used the 5D2 and I am using two 1D-bodies, but this 6D is pure IQ and fun and better than anything I used until now for available light. I wanted a camera with acceptable IQ at iso6400 but finally I can shoot it up to iso 12800. This "cheap" camera largely expands my possibilities for events (and traveling), and that's what counts for me.

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ktzuguttenberg
By ktzuguttenberg (Feb 14, 2013)

Landscape score 6D: 12,1

Landscape score K-5: 14,1

so far into perspective their statement

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facedodge
By facedodge (Feb 14, 2013)

Aps-c sensor with less UWA lenses and tilt shifts to chose from. 6D is better for landscapes.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

better than APS-C of course.

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IvanM
By IvanM (Feb 14, 2013)

So has anyone seen a review /test on high iso performance between the 6D, 5D3 and 1Dx? I am finding that I am shooting more n more between 800 and 3200 iso with my 5d2...and if i had to get something new high iso performance would be high on my list...

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ageha
By ageha (Feb 14, 2013)

Easy, the 1D X followed by the 6D.

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 14, 2013)

Excellent set of sample images. They really show that this is a superb camera. I love those colours and details and that's what it's all about. The snowy landscapes are particularly good.

5 upvotes
PaulRacecar
By PaulRacecar (Feb 14, 2013)

I like that the camera can be controlled remotely with an iPhone. You can place it where you wouldn't want to go, and shoot from a distance. Sports and bird photography come to mind. Interesting and comprehensive reveiw, thanks guys!

2 upvotes
brian1366
By brian1366 (Feb 14, 2013)

Wouldn't that remote location need WiFi?

I see a market for a battery powered WiFi switch...

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technotic
By technotic (Feb 15, 2013)

No, the 6D generates a WIFI network.

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Fatality
By Fatality (Feb 14, 2013)

I wouldn't upgrade to 6D not even for $500. To me, the 6D is worth about $1000 MAX.. My 60D is more superior than this camera (which currently sells for $780), not only that it takes EF and EF-S lenses, but it even has a shutter speed of 8000.. pfff This is a major failure from Canon.

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T3
By T3 (Feb 14, 2013)

I have a 60D, and I'd take the FF 6D over the 60D any day. Obviously, there's no point in using EF-S lenses on a FF body, so how is that a "major failure?" And I don't remember the last time I used a shutter speed of 1/8000. No thanks, I'd much rather have the 6D.

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waitformee
By waitformee (Feb 14, 2013)

Actually there is no diff for 1/4000 and 1/8000. What shot needs 1/8000 and cannot do with 1/4000?

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Corwin Lee
By Corwin Lee (Feb 14, 2013)

Have you ever shooting out door at day time with F1.4 aperture?

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (Feb 14, 2013)

But if you are shooting wide apertures in daylight...its because of DOF control and shallow DOF look. In which case the 6D is going to make the 60D and its 8k shutter look silly. In addition the substantial high iso advantage the 6D has lets you use some of that higher shutter speed when you really need it. People really seem to like contrived situations vs real-world situations. The 6D has the same size and weight of the 60D. The price premium of the 6D is probably less than the cost *and* weight of a SINGLE f4 zoom glass vs f2.8 zoom glass.

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Mark B.
By Mark B. (Feb 14, 2013)

Then I guess you won't be upgrading to any FF body at any price - none of them will ever take EF-S lenses.

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Musicjohn
By Musicjohn (Feb 14, 2013)

Thath's Canons fault and problem. Nikon can work around it by using a DX and FX mode. Why can't Canon incorporate a system like that in their FF cams? If they want APS-C users to become interested in FF bodies, they should create the possibility to keep using your EF-S lenses!

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joejack951
By joejack951 (Feb 14, 2013)

Timbukto wrote: "But if you are shooting wide apertures in daylight...its because of DOF control and shallow DOF look. In which case the 6D is going to make the 60D and its 8k shutter look silly."

Er, no, it won't. If you are forced to shoot at f/2 with the 6D due to the 1/4000th limitation but could shoot at f/1.4 with the 60D at 1/8000th, the DOF will be basically the same (assuming you also use a lens that's 1.6X shorter in focal length on the 60D to get an equivalent field of view).

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Fatality
By Fatality (Feb 14, 2013)

Euhh.. a lot of noobies on here..

Regarding high 8000 shutter speed:

1. It is useful in the very bright sun with high aperture setting.

2. You'll have a sharper image of your subject that is in motion -motorcycle racing, subjects swayed in strong wind, insects etc..

I'm not saying 6D is a horrible camera, it's just ridiculously overpriced for what it is.

Anyway, FF is not the future, nanotechnology is. Olympus is on the right track.. and Nokia 808 is a fine example of the future..

Personally, I find it annoying to haul a bag with two DSLRs, a tripod, and a bunch of EF and EF-S lenses, it gets really heavy after a while.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (Feb 14, 2013)

A lens that is stopped down to shoot f/2 on FF at 1/4k to achieve same DOF as a f1.4 lens on APS-C at 1/8k will look *soooo* much better on the FF version compared to APS-C. This is the problem with paper specs, you calculate equivalency on paper but you haven't actually gone out and experienced it. The FF version will be sharper, contain significantly less CA, contain significantly less defects in plane curvature and uses normal length EF glass the way they were meant to be used. In a word EF-S glass is optimal for APS-C, but EF typically is not except at telephoto lengths. I would agree however that if Canikon produced a 50-55 mm fast prime it would significantly reduce this performance gap, but both are skimping in this area. All you need to do is experience an Olympus 45mm 1.8 and you will know that portrait primes are severely lacking for APS-C.

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joejack951
By joejack951 (Feb 14, 2013)

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joejack951
By joejack951 (Feb 14, 2013)

You started off talking about DOF and now you've gone off an a tangent about lens aberrations and APS-C portrait primes. Try to stay on topic. It does sound like you agree about DOF being the same between FF f/2 and APS-C f/1.4 though. Glad we sorted that out.

For the record, I'd rather shoot FF at f/2 than APS-C at f/1.4. I also don't think a 90mm f/2.5 equivalent prime is anything to get excited about, certainly not for $400.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (Feb 15, 2013)

That 90mm f/2.5 equivalent on MFT outperforms the respective APS-C equivalents. I was not talking purely about what achieves what DOF...technically you can achieve a thin subject DOF by front-focusing too! I'm talking about the *quality* of the DOF look, and in this case an 85mm shot on FF does very well, and the MFT + 45mm 1.8 does even better than 50mm's on APS-C since none of the 50mms are optimized for APS-C.

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Weyskipper
By Weyskipper (Feb 14, 2013)

Thanks Barney & Amadou.

Another excellent review that's written from a practical use perspective. The current crop of DSLRS are all exceptionally good, I am not quite sure what I would need beyond this.

Having said that, I like the idea of a built in GPS & WiFi of the 6D, it wouldn't make me switch, but certainly looks handy.

As usual, reading the forum is more fun than watching day-time television!

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

In recent years I have defended DPReview dozens of times across the internet regarding their integrity and analysis, specifically regarding their ability to assess a product on its own merits and across its designed capability range - instead of penalizing a product for what it lacks in a comparison. THEN I read this review.

If you add the D600 to the scoring module on page-25 you can see what is supposedly areas that would allow it to score differently (higher in this case) and it is interesting that the areas showing better performance are simply not substantiated in the pages of the 6D review. Not to mention areas of heated debate and comparison (the 6D's inferior 11-point AF system and Canon's tired old 63 metering zones) where even though DPR hops on the bandwagon to proclaim Canon's failings of the 6D their own testing shows that the 'lowly' 11-point AF and 'zone' metering system out perform the D600.

What the hell is that, does DPR write the reviews before or after testing???

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

In the area of image performance, where the D600 supposedly has both better jpg and raw according to the comparison graph, we clearly see on pages 15 and 19 that the 6D betters its competitors image quality, and stands on its own in that area only bettered by its higher-end sibling. Scoring according to DPR is not supposed to be based on 'how it compares' but on the equipments own merits - yet the images provided on these pages and the resulting scores obviously indicate an unknown factor. (Different set of criteria for different brands? Conceding to DxO's 8mp down-sample score?).

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

The only area that the D600 can even be suggested as 'better', and an extremely subjective aspect of image quality, is page 20 where it references the amount of shadow detail captured. Something only identifiable in a grossly overexposed test image. How is that even a test criteria, you would never attempt to use that image so what difference does it make what unusable information can be seen in an unusable image. If DPR hopes to achieve any credibility in this area of testing how about just bring up the shadows in a 'final' 'useable' image so it can be shown how negligible the real world differences are. Even if the difference gained a point for the D600, that point would be easily trumped by every other area of image performance by the 6D.

Sorry, DPR has shown no data to support the D600 having better image performance to warrant a higher scoring analysis IF measured by the same standards - in fact they have shown just the opposite, yet do not reflect that in scoring.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

The higher score for the D600 in Low Light and high ISO performance is quite small, but if we again go back to page 19 of the review and look how it is not even possible to discern the diameter of the small gold beads, determine whether the thread of the belt is thread or simply white paint, and absence of almost all texture of the woven belt material in the D600 images, it does not in any way validate the D600 as being better in any way. Matter of fact, both the Sony and 6D provide better image performance than the D600 by the same margin - yet both score a little bit lower? What criteria is DPR measuring, are they measuring at all??
Perhaps there is a different set of criteria that DPR uses for different brands that they do not feel the need to share with viewers...

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

That really only leaves the video performance category. Which we really do not need to go into to be honest, video was not meant to be zoomed into - and 1080p is 1080p is 1080p.
It is understood that Nikon fans are foaming at the mouth with their newly acquired ability to do full frame 1080p video, but unless you are going to consider certain aspects as beneficial when seen in both brands DPR is simply catering to Nikon fans in their praise. The D800 for example has little if any significant advantage in video since uncompressed video out is now available for the 5DmkIII. However there is one aspect of the D800 video which is considered a fair trade off (referring to slight/occasional moire in the D800) because of some areas of higher detail being sometimes visible. HOWEVER, when that is done by another brand/model (6D in this case) it is the primary factor of why DPR rates the 6D with a lower video score??

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Feb 14, 2013)

Small, but important correction to a point you make somewhere waaay up there near the start. We do in fact score based on how a product compares to its peers at the time of review. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained

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babola
By babola (Feb 14, 2013)

SiliconVoid...you should get out more.

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kadardr
By kadardr (Feb 14, 2013)

DPR's reviews may get biased objectively just by the data they are gathering. (What is measured/compared and what is not), Because those "objective" parameters were selected subjectively, and thus may cause bias of evaluation big time. Selecting criteria must be transparent and consistent over time (if it is a prerequisite at all). "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" shows that there is always quality in the quantitative and objective data. In addition, there is the human factor which must be implicated rather then underestimated. Read the review and draw your own conclusion (dare you).

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Dyun27
By Dyun27 (Feb 14, 2013)

Am I wrong in saying that both the EOS 6D and D600 have their own positive aspects about them? If the D600 scored higher than the 6D, so what?

The D600 offers 2 SD card slots, more focus points, better focus tracking, faster FPS, better resolution, nearly (if not) equal ISO performance, it has flash, great dynamic range/shadow recovery, uncompressed video, headphone jack, 100% viewfinder coverage, etc.

The EOS 6D offers Wi-Fi and GPS, it has a more sensitive center AF point, has very good high ISO performance, very good noise reduction when it comes to JPEGs and good quality video.

It's obvious (except to maybe a blind person) that the D600 just gives you more bang for your buck, hence the higher score. That doesn't mean the 6D sucks, it just means you have to pick the camera that will be more useful to YOU personally. For me the D600 was the better choice not only because of the options and performance, but because I already had Nikon gear.

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Comitant
By Comitant (Feb 14, 2013)

Ok, we get, you own a 6D and you think it's great. Will 88% Gold Award make you feel better?

Guys, let's give ol' SiliconVoid the gold award for his purchase decision, ok?

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 19, 2013)

"By babola (4 days ago)
SiliconVoid...you should get out more."

heh, I do not actually comment that often, nor follow forums much - but yes when I do, one could assert a bit long-winded. =)

(@Comitant)
I do not own a 6D.
I do however own a 5DmkII - Rebel - Nikon D700 - D300s - and Fuji S5Pro.
My criticism was based on the accuracy of test data provided versus the resulting score - and the evolving assertion of DPR that this feature or that feature matters to everyone so we have to award points for them.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Feb 14, 2013)

just wondering out loud
Does the 6D low light AF means it will work wonderfully with 2x teleconverters?
ie, f8 or smaller ?

wouldn't that be a feature to test for 6D?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

different things.

a large f-number (small aperture) means small acute angle of incoming light rays from the opposite edges of the aperture that the AF sensor won't be able to handle or within acceptable error range, even the light rays are strong.

actually better low light performance may mean low resolution of the AF sensor (whether it's case here I don't know, though I do know the accuracy of 6D's AF isn't high).

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (Feb 14, 2013)

could i rephrase that to mean that the rays for a smaller aperture are DEAD center ?

i dont quite understand what you said

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

phase detection AF actually uses the aperture as the base of trigonometry measurement. larger the f-number, shorter the base, larger the error.

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soundtrip36
By soundtrip36 (Feb 14, 2013)

I acquired a 6D weeks ago. I have a D600 before, I bought it when it was readily available. But I sold it to my cousin for half the purchased price because I don't have time to clean the sensor every time I'm going use it and edit picture with dusts on it.

I have canon lenses but I did bought the D600 because it was almost as equivalent to 5DmkIII for me when it comes to specs like fps, pixel and AF points. If I had the money, I would buy the 5D mkIII or D800. But for now 6D is all i need because I want to try FF. If only the D600, which I bought before doesn't produce dusts, I would keep using it.

Cheers

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Feb 14, 2013)

So if you had bought the 5d Mk iii in the first place you would be ahead?

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soundtrip36
By soundtrip36 (Feb 14, 2013)

No, but will it be the same case that if I stayed on D600 will I be ahead? If I had an ample amount of money I'd by a 5DmkIII because I already had canon EF lenses and a speedlight.

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SETI
By SETI (Feb 14, 2013)

You sold D600 to your cousin for half the purchased price, bought 6D? Now I see why you can't afford 5D mkIII =)

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soundtrip36
By soundtrip36 (Feb 14, 2013)

Yeh... Too late to buy the 5D mkIII now... I found a good deal in the 6D but the deal will be over in a week when i found it. That's why I sold the D600 in a rush to my cousin.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (Feb 14, 2013)

The 6D.

3 words:

tsk,tsk,tsk...

.

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Juck
By Juck (Feb 14, 2013)

Does your mommy know you're on her computer?

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sarkozy
By sarkozy (Feb 13, 2013)

far too good review - why?
they look the landscape vote on DxOMark

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Coolhandchuck
By Coolhandchuck (Feb 13, 2013)

Ford vs Chevy, Blondes vs Brunettes, Yankees vs Red Sox, Ducati vs, well there is no competition for them. And Nikon vs Canon. I seriously doubt that anyone squabbling about who's is bigger and better, can actually take any of their cameras to its limit. You use your camera and I will use mine, because I couldn't care what you spent your money on.

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reach0775
By reach0775 (Feb 13, 2013)

dpreview will remain my No.1 source for camera reviews, but I'll really stop taking their conclusions seriously.
The 6D has similar or better IQ than the mighty Mk.III, some VERY serious USPs (GPS, weight...) and it costs a 1.000EUR less!
Hey, that's an awful lot of money! It's a shame they even compare those 2 within the same sentence.
But taking it down because Mr. dpreviewer would have had different ideas where to save money is really outrageous arbitrariness.

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chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (Feb 13, 2013)

I suspect the 6D missed the gold award not because it was compared to the 5D III, but because it faces very stiff competition from the D600. For the same price, Nikon is offering less shadow noise at low ISOs, very competitive ISO performance up to about 6400 or 12800, a more flexible AF system, faster framerate, dual card slots, a built in flash, a pinch of extra resolution, and a 100% finder. Furthermore, EF-S lenses can't even be mounted on the 6D, which creates another issue for APS-C upgraders.

If the 6D was the only low cost full frame DSLR of this generation, it'd probably get a gold award. (If any DSLR is the only one in its category, it'll get a gold award because there's nothing to compare it to). But when reviewing cameras, you have to consider the standard set by other options in the same category as well, because that's what potential buyers are interested in: how a particular model holds up to the competition.

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kewlguy
By kewlguy (Feb 14, 2013)

Problem is, most buyer only concern about spec when comparing 6D vs D600. As a user of both system, I did try the D600 but I didn't like the color - plus my collection of Canon lenses are growing due to more better new lenses. Add to those an excellent service from Canon where I am - that's why I got the 6D.

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RoccoGalatioto
By RoccoGalatioto (Feb 14, 2013)

I absolutely agree with the fact that Canon produces richer colors. II have had The Canon 10-D. 20-D, 30-D, 1-D, 2D II, 2D-III, 5D and 5D II
I have also had the Ninon D -1X, D2-X, D2-H. D-70, D-70S, D-300 and D-700.
I still have the Canon 5-D and 1-D III and the Nikon D-3-- and D-700
The only Nikon that had truly superb color was the D1-X. The others all tended to go bluish outdoors and sort of yellowish in a sort of watercolor way on skin tones. this is even after shooting raw,As to the review, one must use judgement and also read between the lines. It's impossible to believe these days and why should I follow someone's else recommendation blindly. Some people read reviews to sort of make themselves feel good about their purchases. One of my main beefs about photography is that there's always been too much emphasis on technical stuff whether it was developers then or sensors now. Just my opinion.

http://galatiotophoto.blogspot.com

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

@chlamchowder
Actually you don't have to consider any models competition, at least not as far as DPR has proclaimed numerous times..
Anyone remember the D7000's initial review, and the additional flack they received when rating the Pentax K5 higher. DPR came out both in forums and through the review site that the cameras (all cameras) are certainly reviewed in regard to other brands as far as consumer appeal - but - that was not factored in the items scoring...

Guess that has changed.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Feb 14, 2013)

nope. we clearly state that we score relative to contemporary competitors in the same category. 'Although no replacement for actually reading the review, the results box is designed to give you an 'at a glance' view of the camera based on our findings, and how it compares to its competitors. Very short bars mean below the average for the category, very long lines mean above average.'

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reach0775
By reach0775 (Feb 14, 2013)

But who are you to say that JPG noise and DOF button count more than GPS and weight (for example). Why not rate every Zeiss lens bad due to lack of AF and price?
Seems you've lost the relation to reality a bit.

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Revenant
By Revenant (Feb 14, 2013)

"But who are you to say that JPG noise and DOF button count more than GPS and weight (for example)."

Who are you to say that they don't? Are you suggesting that all photographers have the same preferences, which happens to coincide with your own?
The weighting of different features and aspects of performance is, of course, a subjective thing. And reviews, being written by human beings, are by their very nature also subjective. That's why we read them: to get an experienced and knowledgeable person's opinion on a product we're interested in.
On the page where they explain the scoring system, DPR clearly state, that if you don't agree with their weighting and scoring, then you should read the review and make up your own mind.

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Lift Off
By Lift Off (Feb 13, 2013)

Bah... I knew all that "impressive high ISO performance" people talked about was just NR applied to the jpegs.

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Juck
By Juck (Feb 14, 2013)

Yeh,, you're so smart.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

the fashion now is applying NR to RAWs, too. we got cooked RAWs from D3 and A900 five years ago. almost all cameras are doing it at least at high ISOs, and people cook it more and more that you can find it well-done from Pentax some other cameras like OM-D.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

@Lift Off
You need to review the test images again, you clearly do not know how to judge ISO performance.
The ISO performance of the 6D is significantly better than its predecessors, quite comparable to the 5DmkIII, and better than the D600 - especially in jpg output, but easily in raw as well.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Feb 14, 2013)

Hey void, in raw, it certainly isnt.

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aftab
By aftab (Feb 13, 2013)

DPR's categorization of cameras works most of the time, but not always.
Canon said 6D was for portraits, landscapes and travel. They did an excellent job at that and deserve the highest award. It is a solid and honest performer in everything Canon promised it to be, backed by unparalleled collection of lenses and customer service as good as or better than its competition.
So, while the review is excellent in many aspects, its conclusion and award miss the point as it was based on a categorization artificially created by DPR, not imagined by 6D's inventors.

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dmurphey
By dmurphey (Feb 13, 2013)

I've been using the 6D for 2 months - it's a love / hate relationship. The WI-FI feature is awesome. Been using EOS Remote app on my iPad Mini, and my clients love being able to view shots as we go, untethered.

Hate the AF. The center locks tight, but the other 10 points are pretty much useless for anything other than landscape photography.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Feb 13, 2013)

Not my experience at all regarding the AF points. They work quite well for meI haven't shot moving targets, mind.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 14, 2013)

never use phase-detection AF for landscape.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Feb 13, 2013)

Everybody will protest.

I wanted to buy this Canon FF. But the auto focus points, and the aging sensor, the old fashioned case from the 80s. No way. Thank you <dpreview> for this smart Award. I now bought the Nikon D5200 (no regret, perfect pictures) and attach my Leica lenses with special mounts. Time to market passed with that Canon FF. I could afford the 800E, but drop the FF all together at present tech status. Better sensor times and bodies ahead.

This generation of tech and camera bodies as per the reviews left their peaks for now. End of this year will be a great new wave (and investment horizon).

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

I'll take this to heart and stop obsessing about the 6D.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (Feb 13, 2013)

One might say "never fall in love with ...". I learned it the hard way as many. Those FF end-of-life-cycle sensors - one must avoid. 35 mm "reference" is old Barnack movie PHYSICAL film material short cut - just a memory. There is so much ahead, but not 35 mm anymore.

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Alex Mazur
By Alex Mazur (Feb 13, 2013)

Yep, very true! Nikon people said exactly the same awhile ago... Right before introducing their first digital FF camera.

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LarryK
By LarryK (Feb 14, 2013)

Yes, and their loudest critics were Nikon Users like myself.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

Sorry OP, I do not mean to offend, but your perspective on brand new 'end of life' FF sensors is about the most ignorant thing I have heard anyone say in a while.

APS-c/x/whatever may be the future for point and shoots and pocket cameras, but all you need to do is look at the consistency of new lenses, preference of professionals and enthusiasts alike, and the money spent by the manufacturers on FF technology to see that it is 'their' future - whether it is yours or not.

Perhaps you simply have not been around long enough to see photography before digital... The manufacturers may have marketed cropped sensors as a benefit, but they did not develop them for any other reason than technology and costs would have placed FF equipment out of reach to 95% of the photographic world.

As FF technology gets cheaper to develop and package, you are going to see APS-C relinquished to mirrorless pocket cameras unable to support the manufacturers really money makers - their lenses.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Feb 13, 2013)

Few comments about the review:
1.- The multi-exposure feature works on RAW as well.
2.- The WiFi connected to the PC via Remote Control (EOS Utility) gives complete control of every aspect of the camera. Live view, download and even time lapse capture. it just makes sense for Canon to eventually upgrade their iOS and Android EOS app to match the functionality of the Remote Control Utility.
3.- The fact that the 6D compares to the 5DMIII speaks volume about the capabilities of this camera. So yes, it does not have 41 focus points, so what?
4.- It does not have a swivel screen, it has a separate screen altogether. It gives you control with any iOS or Android device, that is a way bigger, better and more flexible option than a swivel screen. this is like when Apple ditched the floppy disk.... some people complained about it.
5.- They completely left out a review of the included software which is top-notch. Including the above mentioned remote control utility.

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Roland_Lislevane
By Roland_Lislevane (Feb 14, 2013)

A big, big thank you for mentioning the Remote Control Utility and what it can do. This was a very valuable piece of information for me.

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Feb 14, 2013)

Very good point about WiFi vs. swivel screen.

My biggest gripe is the 95% finder.

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SiliconVoid
By SiliconVoid (Feb 14, 2013)

DPR being very disappointed by the exclusion of a touch screen, providing no significance other than it is available on a recent consumer body - which lacks ~any external controls to begin with...
Why would Canon put a touch screen on a body that already provides 95% of all shooting controls via dedicated buttons on the outside of the camera - how much easier do you want access to be than a button you can access without looking??

The target consumers for this body are those focused on getting everything they can from digital technology as it pertains to image quality - something Canon has not failed in with the 6D.

(btw Tonio, it is 97% and I can assure you it has little field relevance. I have shot film since 1976 where even fewer cameras had 100% vf coverage than they do today, to the extent that it was not even a specification mentioned in product brochures.)
In the rarity you get something in those outer 10-pixels of the frame you feel just ruin the image - you just crop it out.

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dopravopat
By dopravopat (Feb 15, 2013)

4. Yes, a feature draining the battery both in your camera and your phone. How clever! Handling issues during composing on a tripod using one hand while holding the phone in the other aside...

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Feb 15, 2013)

@Dopra
NEW features, products and change in ways of doing something get people divided into those who see it as an opportunity, advantage and want to leverage them and those who see it as a problem.
There was a time, when people looked down to digital cameras, there was a time when a tablet was a gimmick. I have experienced the ability to use the remote control from an iPad or iPhone, Have you?

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dopravopat
By dopravopat (Feb 15, 2013)

to semperaugustus:
I resisted the Digital until I bought the EOS 30D, until then I shoot on film only, becouse I did see many problems in the early digital cameras, mostly the price of those that gave acceptable results, I never considered compacts.
I simply to not feel the need to control my camera with my smartphone. People have various needs, somtehing might be imporatnt for me, something for you. The biggest drawback I currenlty see is the video quality of (not only Canon) DSLRs - horrible moireé and aliasing. But for stills they are all pretty good. Handling is a question of your preferences.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Feb 13, 2013)

DPR must have a different 5D3 than mine. On my 5D3, the HDR feature is jpeg-only.

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richsfusa
By richsfusa (Feb 13, 2013)

You must not have a 5D Mark iii then. I use RAW HDR frequently on mine. Yes...the output is JPG (of course...obviously it could not be RAW), but it saves the RAW files from which the JPG is comprised. That is the point of what the review is saying.

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rusticus
By rusticus (Feb 13, 2013)

thank god - I've kept my Pentax k-5

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Feb 13, 2013)

I have both and the 6D cleans the floor with the K5 both in AF accuracy and high ISO. And that's even considering the K5 is a high ISO beast and a great all-round camera. But there's just no contest.

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sarkozy
By sarkozy (Feb 13, 2013)

the truth:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en%E8%A4%9F%E8%8C%82%E9%A9%B4%E9%99%86%E8%A2%A7%E5%AD%9D%E8%A2%95%E8%A4%9F%E8%8C%82%E9%A9%B4%E9%99%86%E8%A2%A7%E5%AD%9D%E8%8C%82%E9%A9%B4%E9%99%86%E8%A4%9F%E8%8C%82%E9%A9%B4%E9%99%86%E8%A2%A7%E5%AD%9D%E8%A2%A7/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/836%7C0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/676%7C0/(brand2)/Pentax

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (Feb 14, 2013)

So, same overall score in lab tests. Fine.
In my experience, the 6D is far cleaner and more detailed starting at ISO 3200, and AF accuracy is miles better. I stand by what I said, having actually shot both cameras.

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LarryK
By LarryK (Feb 13, 2013)

It looks okay, but I opted for the 5DIII once it came down to $3K (where it should have been to start with.

I always get the feeling Canon is jerking me around on bodies, I don't like their philosophy, but I put up with it cause of my twenty plus Canon lenses.

Maybe the 6DII?

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tipple
By tipple (Feb 13, 2013)

Ken Rockwell loves the Canon 6D. Pics on his website look great.

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LarryK
By LarryK (Feb 14, 2013)

I'd go look at them, but I refuse to put any money in his pocket.

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Feb 14, 2013)

Ken Rockwell likes any camera that lets him dial saturation to 11 and has user modes. His current anti-Nikon crusade is fascinating — perhaps he's figured out that Nikon never has anything in stock, so he's better off trying to get affiliate revenue for the brand that actually manufactures enough stuff to meet demand. (Right now, you can't even buy the 50mm f1.8G.)

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LSE
By LSE (Feb 15, 2013)

lol ken Rockwell loves every camera he links to so you can buy it and he can get a commission to pay for his kid's school. why do you even read that clown? he flip flops every 2 years. in 2015 he'll go milk the sony audience then head back to Nikon rear kissing.

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photosen
By photosen (Feb 13, 2013)

Good review, if really late. I'm sure the other options in the market are very good but this camera is just about perfect for my style of shooting... Just ticks all the right boxes... Now to sell a second hand kidney...

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

The review is disgustingly early, if you believe some of the comments here ;)

3 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

I sell slices of liver.

1 upvote
EDWARD ARTISTE
By EDWARD ARTISTE (Feb 13, 2013)

it finally happened...(runs to conclusion page, then work my way backwards)

4 upvotes
HSway
By HSway (Feb 13, 2013)

Canon may deserve some criticism but it still comes with a great concept of a compact dslr, beautiful sensor, smart and a solid camera. Great and useful review, by the way.

6 upvotes
dyfflyn
By dyfflyn (Feb 13, 2013)

"Videographers, however, will be loathe to even consider...."
Loathe means to despise. Loath means reluctant.

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Cane
By Cane (Feb 13, 2013)

Either one works.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (Feb 13, 2013)

Fixed.

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veroman
By veroman (Feb 13, 2013)

As has been the case since the introduction of the 1Ds III and the 5D II, there appears to be a good measure of non-defeatable N/R applied at higher ISOs to the RAW files. There's a definite smoothing over of detail.

Try comparing the 6D to earlier, lower resolution cameras like the 1D Mark III. The Mark III is sharper and more detailed at ISO 1600 and up. So are the Nikon D3 and D700.

One might say this is the result of the images being smaller. I don't think so. I think the 1D Mark III (like others of that generation) simply wasn't designed to control noise in RAW mode.

Sean Reid, in his review of the 5D II, pointed out the non-defeatable N/R as well. I sold my 5D II because of it. It bothered me then, it bothers me now.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (Feb 13, 2013)

No it is not, why are you telling people to compare the two when it is obvious you have not done so yourself? Everyone making mountains out of molehills and claiming that NR does this, default sharpening does that, blah blah, let me hand out the pixel peeping primer. Add the Nikon D800E and Pentax 645 to the comparison as well as the 6D and D600. Look at these points of the picture:
Globe - pay attention to texture marks in Arabian Sea,
Banknotes,
Martini Bottle inscription - the one that starts with Filadelphia,
Center point resolution pay attention of extinction of details relative to overall size
Seiko made in Japan + SN inscription on bottom of face plate.
Now compare at ISO 100, go to ISO 800, than ISO 1600 and so forth. Bottom line the 6D does a very good job in detail vs noise.

Now *AFTER* you have done all that come back and tell me this mumbo jumbo about Canon just applying NR and sharpening please.

All the other camera's you listed as being more detailed don't compete.

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sandy b
By sandy b (Feb 13, 2013)

Don't compete? The d600 and 6D are almost identical. I do think the canon has better jpgs tho.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (Feb 13, 2013)

The *other* camera's he listed being the 1DMKIII or D700. Those are not close to competing in this mostly meaningless pixel peep wars. More important to me is Canon is a pleasure to shoot at with liveview which is what you need to squeeze out pixel peeping detail anyways to reduce mirror flop, etc. Actually even more important to me is lack of shutter shock or mirror flop causing micro blur which no review site bothers to put rigor into testing.

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veroman
By veroman (Feb 13, 2013)

All high end DSLRs, including the ones I mentioned, are competitive with each other ... including the Nikon D700 vs Canon's 6D, the Canon 5D Classic vs the Canon 6D, etc. It all depends on what one shoots and what one really needs out of a camera. If super-large prints aren't on the horizon, then 20MP and up is largely irrelevant. If one is a low ISO shooter and generally uses a tripod, then high ISO performance is largely irrelevant. If high frame rates for sports and other action shooting are important, then the 1D Mark III is definitely a competitor to the 6D, and to my mind the winner in the competition. These and other oldies but goodies didn't suddenly become poor cameras just because Canon has released the 6D. They're still great cameras ... and there's still a huge used camera market that definitely, without question, competes with the 6D for many a photographer's attention.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

>mirror flop causing micro blur

Years ago, Herb Keppler pointed out that mirror vibration always degrades the image. One day, soon I hope, super-duper EVF's may make the mirror an anachronsm.

Of course, if you're shooting photos of an earthquake, you don't need to worry about mirror shake.

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wakaba
By wakaba (Feb 13, 2013)

Some limitations, not so stellar DSP, crappy programming, bad battery life, slow, moving lots of20mb pics over wifi..., two generations behind Nikon D600/800. Oh and no built in flash - something that is really really practical.

Great lenses though - but that is not the cameras fault.

3 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (Feb 13, 2013)

I understand that the biggest selling point of this product is the weight, otherwise D600 is far better.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

The EF mount is a pretty big selling point. There's a few Canon lenses out there in circulation.

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

Tkbslc .. King of the crisp, short comments. You crack me up.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

Thanks, I do try! :)

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photoguy622
By photoguy622 (Feb 13, 2013)

I'm disappointed by the lack of detail in JPEGs and built in flash.

I'm just not comfortable enough to shoot RAW exclusively yet, and the small flash on my 7D makes a great fill flash.

I guess I'll be holding onto my 7D a bit longer. Which is fine as it's still a great camera... I'll just buy more lenses ;)

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TripTrip
By TripTrip (Feb 13, 2013)

Attention to the percentages for the 83% 6D Silver Award, 82% for D800 Gold Award?? Rest of my idea on the test!

Attenzione alle percentuali 83% per la 6D Silver Award, 82% per la D800 Gold Award???? Resto della mia idea sui test!

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

Scoring is relative to category. The 6D and 5D Mark III are scored in different categories.

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jr
By jr (Feb 13, 2013)

So what is the %-threshold in 5DIII's category to achieve "gold", and what is it in 6D's category? And how do you categorize anyway... most functionality/weight? sports camera? camera that makes one want to take pics?
Not that it matters, I am a happy owner of 6D. 5DIII was just too heavy, and 6D has never let me down, it just does the job just as well.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Feb 13, 2013)

We've explained this many many times, but you'll find all the information here:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4416254604/camera-scores-ratings-explained

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Feb 13, 2013)

@Barney,

There you go again, asking people to read stuff. ;)

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jr
By jr (Feb 13, 2013)

"There is no direct link between the overall score and the awards"...
that tells quite a bit! You could for example not give any award to a camera that scores 99%. I know humans make rational decisions based on emotions, this is just one example of the fact.
OTOH, it's us humans that evaluate things anyway, and we just can't escape the fact that there's emotion that we can't always control (or know the effect of it). What am I trying to say then... thanks for the review, you're entitled to your opinion ;)

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Feb 14, 2013)

The category thing is kind of nuts, as is the generational comparison, fixed percentage scale, and value being a factor. Use an absolute scale and leave "value" out of it since it will change. Then I can compare the rating of this year's model to last year's, and a pro DSLR to a semi pro mirrorless.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

Seriously, with even the AF system from the T4i or 60D, 1/8000 shutter and wireless flash control, this would be such an amazing camera. Those aren't high end features anymore.

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davidodd
By davidodd (Feb 13, 2013)

Some of the random comments beggar belief! Bought one for a Rome trip and it's a great camera and it produces amazing images. So does the D600 I'd imagine. I think people need a little perspective sometimes......

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Feb 13, 2013)

I can see it is time Pentax stepped into full frame and show them how it is done.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (Feb 13, 2013)

I am sure it would be a great system now that they've killed all the FF lenses from their lineup.

9 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (Feb 13, 2013)

Every prime from 35mm upward is FF Compatible. Same goes for the Telezooms. Only the wide zooms are not compatible.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 13, 2013)

mirrorless maybe, only that they don't have enough resources to develop new lenses. I know only four companies who are doing great with lenses, Nikon, Canon, Tamron, and Sigma.

Pentax lags far behind, about the same level as Leica, Zeiss, and Olympus (I think these minors should coordinate their efforts to compete better with the majors).

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

Eh?

Sarcasm, hopefully.

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vodanh1982
By vodanh1982 (Feb 13, 2013)

You forgot Fujifilm and they are doing well.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 13, 2013)

all the XF lens are the worst that I haven't seen for sometime but I can category them as second class, same as Penta and Oly, or third class as Zeiss and Leica.

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Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (Feb 13, 2013)

Yabokkie quit smoking that whacky tabocci.

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (Feb 14, 2013)

If Nikon released a digital FM2 or Canon a digital A1 they'd sell a truckload (and Fuji would cry). Canon does have the disadvantage here in having changed lens mounts. It's a shame Pentax is making toy cameras with Anime color themes instead of FF DSLRs.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (Feb 14, 2013)

Pentax is developing a FF. Hopefully a dslr, and not some crazy mirrorless. The q delivers the best quality you can get from a tiny 1/2.3" sensor. It is actually quite nice. It is not made instead of a full frame though.

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Mannypr
By Mannypr (Feb 13, 2013)

I like reading about the latest technological marvel in cameraology and the comparison done between one and another , but the truth of the matter is that this differences are very small , so small as to in reality make them irrelevent .
More so , reading someone saying the 6D destroyed the D600 , or that the D800 is the best full frame in the world is foolish at best . If we are as technological inclined as we say we are we should be more objective and see things as they are .About the review , the 6D seems to be another great camera out on the market especially for those who prefer Canons philosophy in imaging . Congratulation Canon on a camera well done .

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 13, 2013)

6D is unbelievable.

5D3 is already the cheapest camera that I can think (sold at an unreasonably high price though). 6D is below the lowest expectation except the size, which is not bad.

for those who are thinking of stepping up to the world of 35mm fullframe, D800 with 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8VR2 should be the best choice.

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gl2k
By gl2k (Feb 13, 2013)

Have you been working at Nokia ?
Your judgement is so far off. You have no clue what customers are inclined to spend their money on.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 13, 2013)

I don't mind if it's Nikon or Nokia or Nintendo or Nike.
I just want the best result from the camera.

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fierlingd
By fierlingd (Feb 13, 2013)

I donno i still strongly think a good prime lens choice(s) is all you need if you *really* are interested in getting the most out of your sensor anyway.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 13, 2013)

the new zooms are same as good if not better. like the 70-200/2.8VR2 at 200mm out resolves EF200/2.8L2.

I think Canon's new 24-70/2.8L2 and 70-200/2.8LIS2 are slightly better than Nikon (not a simple story though), but these 3 pieces of equipment can be the central pillars of a best system at the moment.

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Jetfly
By Jetfly (Feb 13, 2013)

The mentioned zooms are good for people who doesn't think about perspectives...

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gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (Feb 13, 2013)

I have erected a shrine to the Canon 6d. The first sacrifice has been a Nikon D600. I pulled out it's still beating sensor at the steppes of the shrine. The oil and gunk that spilled out was truly a site to behold. Let us pray that that the almighty 6D was pleased.

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NiallM
By NiallM (Feb 13, 2013)

Church of the Latter Day Canonists..

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Feb 13, 2013)

Canonistas and Nikonites can agree that Sonykers are heretics.

1 upvote
aftab
By aftab (Feb 13, 2013)

LOL. :)

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Superka
By Superka (Feb 13, 2013)

Fantastic camera!!!! Now waiting for good video from Canon cameras!

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Ak pinxit
By Ak pinxit (Feb 13, 2013)

the most surprising thing (and new) to me , is that "brand new Canon low-light-design sensor" is still can't match the ones on Sony and Nikon

no RAW images in HDR mode - so cruel of Canon

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (Feb 13, 2013)

new Canon sensors are better than those found in Nikon cameras of the previous generation.

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Ak pinxit
By Ak pinxit (Feb 13, 2013)

the current review (+3V compare) clearly show the opposite

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rrccad
By rrccad (Feb 13, 2013)

one thing that the reivew didn't mention that unlike the D600, canon didn't strip down the AEB - so while the in camera HDR is still jpg only, you have the choice of 2,3,5 or 7 shot AEB in RAW to make up your own HDR images - DPP can also automatically combine the raws as well very similar to how the 6D does it in camera.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (Feb 13, 2013)

3-picture HDR is inherently processed and combined, how could that be "raw" anyway? At best it could be an uncompressed TIFF or something. Just keep the intermediate shots as RAW if you want them, or do one shot and process dynamic range with the decent number of bits available.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (Feb 13, 2013)

Who does in-camera HDR anyway? with so many great HDR packages out there, why would you do it in a camera which will not give you any control.

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Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Feb 13, 2013)

It actually works really well.....in a D800e.

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tmurph
By tmurph (Feb 13, 2013)

This is a fine camera but so is the Nikon D600 and also the Sony SLT-A99 and so on.
This "my camera is better than your camera" school of thought is getting a bit boring, and yes I'm reading between the lines here and again yes, everyone is entitled to an oppinion but comments like..."makes the A-99 look like a P&S" just beggars belief. Go to a good photography gallery and
before you enter you're asked to try and identify the cameras used and you will be there all day because there's no way for anyone to tell what equipment the photographer used.
Todays cameras are amazing pieces of technology, end of.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Feb 13, 2013)

Amen.

But many posters are shills who are bent on differentiating their companies' cameras from others. They are not motivated by common sense, but rather by increasing the market share for their employers.

Welcome to the digital age.

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

What are you guys doing on a gear site?
If all digital cameras are alike - why are you wasting your time reading gear reviews?

You either accept the premises of the very site you're visiting - or you stop, end of.

There are slight differences between cameras (although somewhat exaggerated - agreed) - and users'll tend to emphasize some over others. Based on preferences.

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (Feb 13, 2013)

We are trying to enlighten you to the error of your ways. Spending thousands on the latest gear doesn't improve your photos. Sorry but it's true.

If you don't believe me go to the "wildlife photographer of the year" show in London, if you can tell camera makes apart or even the FF and DX ones you're a better man than me, and these pics are blown to 20X40 inches and lit from behind! I go every year and it's obvious that camera evolution actually stopped a long time ago.

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gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (Feb 13, 2013)

I think many on hear are sick and tired of the losers who weir their camera brands like some sort of badge of honor.

They usually have no real talent as photographers so they have to justify the thousands of dollars spent by saying they have the best.

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (Feb 13, 2013)

@Hugo
Appreciate the (not-too-didactic) answer. However...
I do get your point. Did you get mine?

Slight differences in ergonomics, sensor output and the likes, might make the upgrade worthwhile. The photographs do not nescessarily become better. But the experience might be much more pleasing and straight forward. That's worth the money to some. I shoot indoors at night - concerts, dinners, what have you. A BETTER low-light performance is going to make my life easier - especially with improved focussing.

Trez simple, eh?

My problem is this: This is a gear site, no?
People come to gear sites to read gear reviews.

Simple. What you guys call football is not to my liking. I don't go to NFL.cøm.

Never been to "male-manicures.cøm" either.

Why - voluntarily - read posts / comments from the dumb masses? If they infuriate and annoy the lot of you?
My guess is it offers some form of satisfaction on your part.

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Lanski
By Lanski (Feb 13, 2013)

SnapHappy32, I couldn't agree more, and it's nice to see a rational point made with some decent corollary.

I'm sure we all get just as annoyed with the fanboys, those that blow things out of proportion, consider only one side of an issue or (at worst) just spend their time accusing DPR of all sorts of heinous crimes. The fact remains though, that this is the comment section below a (expensive) camera review. It is for analysis of the camera, and analysis will tend to be quite limted (though not necessarily pointless) without comparison to the competition.

I actually think in the case of the 6D/D600 there is quite a lot to discuss (humbling, quality control, sensor comparison, dual cards, build quality, autofocus, gadgets... going in favour of either model at times) before we're silenced by "it's the person behind the camera" or "get out and take photos" (WE KNOW!!!) and I also think it's healthy for the market that this discussion occurs. It also can genuinely inform a purchase.

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