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Pentax K-50 real-world and test scene samples

By dpreview staff on Dec 27, 2013 at 06:00 GMT
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The following real-world gallery and test scene shots were first published in our 2013 Camera Roundups, but we're highlighting the Pentax K-50 again in case you missed it the first time around.   

The Pentax K-50 is the follow up to the K-30 and is similar in appearance and spec to the K-500, but adds weather sealing, a lithium-ion battery, and autofocus point indicators in the viewfinder. The camera can also be custom ordered in 120 possible color combinations.

We also published test scene shots, including downloadable Raw files of both the daylight and low light scene. As usual this allows you to compare the K-50 with other cameras, as well as letting you download the images to test with your own workflow.

There are 22 images in our samples gallery. Please do not reproduce any of these images on a website or any newsletter / magazine without prior permission (see our copyright page). We make the originals available for private users to download to their own machines for personal examination or printing (in conjunction with this review), we do so in good faith, please don't abuse it.

Unless otherwise noted images taken with no particular settings at full resolution.

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Total comments: 144
jon404
By jon404 (3 months ago)

You know, it's like you can't go wrong with ANY Pentax camera. I have a K-30 and a K-01... love them both. And a friend recently bought a new MX-1 and thinks it is fantastic. Sharp lenses, great color, super ergonomics across the whole product line.

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leventhan
By leventhan (4 months ago)

Go to here: http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/pentax_k50_review/sample_images/

I downloaded iso 6400 and its very clean yet sharp even though I didn't use the sharpening slider. It's very very usable. If only Pentax step up their game in their movie quality...

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Yes it obviously shows that these sample from other website are much better than studio shot here.

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marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

The K-50, like the K-30 before it has remarkably good IQ, easy to see in the photographyblog samples. That sensor has extraordinarily good colors, with extremely clean files an most ISO settings. I'm likely in the minority but I prefer the body design of the K-30 as it somehow looks more interesting. But IQ is mostly all I care about.

But I'm sure reviewers will try to find some way to give this camera a mediocre score / review. Isn't that how it goes with most interesting non-mirrorless cameras these days on DPR?

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Its either DPR does not care or is away on holiday. There is not much answer from moderator somehow. They often put Canon and Nikon on top priority leaving everything else out of it like Pentax and other brand.

3 upvotes
rtogog
By rtogog (4 months ago)

marike6,
In term of body design Pentax K30 is much more nicer. It is not only just follow other brand, but an effort to create signature for Pentax products. It also happened with Pentax K-01. Unfortunately, they only create body only, not the lenses & others accessories which should be blend with the body itself.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

rtogog, it would be great if Ricoh/Pentax starts make a lot more lens line up it will be so helpful for the Pentax users. They have already made enough camera, so what about start lens instead for a while. They get good revenue off lens than camera itself is not much profitable to compare.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Okay here is an image I had to download from http://www.imaging-resource.com/ as raw with NR0 = No noise reduction applied. I opened up photoshop, left all 0 on ACR and only did was sharpened at 100% amount and 0.6 radius like dpreview does that. And uploaded to here. The image looks rather sharp. This image is from http://www.imaging-resource.com/ and I do not own this image.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/187176019/photos/2795013/k50hsli00100nr0

Click original when you scroll down below image.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

Pentax kit lenses;
Just to be clear, the two worst kit lenses of all time were Canon's original 18-55mm and Sony's 17-80mm. Nothing was that bad. Olympus's recent 12-50mm is pretty poor when used as a normal lens but for ultra-close-ups, it's amazing.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

From what I find in studio scene I think the reviewer forgot to turn off all noise reduction both JPEG and RAW for the test. When I look at studio scene, I can tell some of the noise reduction still applied to the images even in RAW. It soften the images far too much. And I think would be also good idea to turn off SR when on tripod as well if the camera did not auto turn off SR if shutter speed is faster than 1/60th of second. Tripod can confuse image stabilisation. I hope dpreview guy can reshoot with those option off then that would come out a lot better. I have seen better images of studio shot than here somewhere.

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Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

DPR always use the default ACR settings, so unless noise reduction is turned off by default, the studio scene is shot with NR.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Maybe. But in Image Resource with RAW images look much sharper than here on the raw studio sample. So something is not right in Dpreview raw studio scene.

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LarryLatchkey
By LarryLatchkey (4 months ago)

In the studio scene I just noticed inconsistent corner sharpness. However, except for the bottom left, the Pentax is sharper than all three competitors!

However, there is a problem with the bottom left. Also the green feathery stuff is very soft in the bottom left. In contrast to this compare e.g. the green plastic leaves in the top right. Here the K-50 is definitely sharper than the other cameras.

I'm also not sure if I can follow those criticising the high prize of Pentax glass. There are about 10 different Pentax lenses, some of them very good, that cost between c. €150 (DA 1,8/50 SMC; DA 2,4/35 AL) c. €350 (A 1,4/50) c. €450 (DA 2,8/40 HD Limited), plus all the cheap K-mount Sigma and Tamron zooms.

1 upvote
Olymore
By Olymore (3 months ago)

All affordable lenses have some sample variation. It's a bit of a lottery if you get a good one or a bad one or (usually) somewhere in between

0 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (4 months ago)

K-50 output here does not compare favorably with the recently posted D5300 samples. At these kinds of megapixel counts the difference in lens sharpness is really noticeable, especially the corners.

It's not the camera, it's the lens. Which kind of makes a mockery of the whole "lets compare cameras by going out and shooting with the kit lens" thing.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Exactly and why are people here down the bottom of page ignore people complain about the dodgy studio scene shooting. Are Pentax people scare of me you and others criticise it? Must be paranoid! Some people were bull$h!t about kit lens are so good with Pentax. I find it very hard to believe. I know as a fact, any brand with kit lens are cheap lens is never anywhere as good as a proper prime lens or more expensive zoom lens that requires very precise expensive/special glass in placement, good coating, etc that helps reduce distortion, reduce corner softness, reduce flare and abberation. Its very important to have those feature. Harden up and eat some snickers!

2 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (4 months ago)

The Nikon 18-55 GII and VR are actually good, optically. The Pentax kit lens is merely acceptable. The difference is enough to completely skew the sample photos in favor of the D5300 however, which is fair if you are planning to use the camera with the kit lens, but not so useful for people interested in what the camera itself is capable of.

@dpreview : sometimes I know you mix up these sets a little with a couple of shots from "nice" lenses. Would it be too much to ask for one or two shot with e.g. the FA43?

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Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

I guess the idea is to show what the average buyer of a camera kit can expect "out of the box". And let's face it, these entry-level DSLRs are mostly bought by people who stick with the kit zoom lens, and maybe buy a tele zoom to complement it. Many of them never stray outside of the "full auto, JPEG only" comfort zone. Of course, enthusiasts buy these bodies too, but they hardly make up the core user base at this price point.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (4 months ago)

I wonder if that's as true now as it once was? I mean, the "one lensers" used to buy up entry level dSLRs by the truckload, but these days if you are just going to use the 3x kit zoom in full auto you can just as well pick up a PEN, NEX, or GF-on-sale-this-week - these are all going to have more appeal for being so much smaller, cuter, and simpler. Thus dSLRs like the K-50 are being pitched to people who appreciate the flexibility and deep lens catalog these camera systems offer.

In short, even dpreview needs to start thinking about these cameras as independent from the performance limiting kit lenses.

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Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

Given that worldwide DSLR shipments are still larger than mirrorless ILC shipments at a ratio of about 4:1 (16.2 million DSLRs shipped worldwide in 2012, compared to slightly less than 4.0 million MILCs, according to CIPA statistics), and given that the bulk of DSLR sales consist of Canon Rebels and Nikon D3xxx/D5xxx models, then I think we can safely assume that the entry-level users haven't yet migrated en masse towards mirrorless. It's still widely believed that DSLRs take better pictures, just because they're DSLRs.
It's only in Japan and some other Asian countries, where MILCs have begun to rival DSLRs in sales volume.

It might be that a larger share of Pentax DSLRs are sold to enthusiasts, than is the case with Canon/Nikon/Sony, because Pentax includes many enthusiast-friendly features even in their low-end models (pentaprism, weather sealing, dual control wheels).

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walberty
By walberty (4 months ago)

If you look at the green leaves in the upper right the Pentax and Canon are sharper raw or jpeg. If you look a the old sketch of the bearded man you will see the Nikon is showing a lot of moire, less so in the raw version. The Canon is sharper in the lower left corner than the Pentax or Nikon. The Sony is softer in general. The Pentax and Canon were shot with 50mm not the kit and I would assume the same is true with the Nikon and Sony since dpreview uses 50mm primes for testing. The kit lenses are actually decent enough at 5.6 so there may not be that great a difference between a prime at f5.6 and a kit lens other than the corners may be softer. You could argue that the greater sensor resolution is more challenging to the lens. However, if you compare the 5300 to the Pentax K-3 there is similar output.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

Its really unfortunate that some kit zooms are so poor but it wasn't that long ago when the only "affordable" lenses for SLRs were 50mm. So in a way, getting a zoom is a luxury and since it covers a lot of focal lengths many people will never take the lens off the camera, especially when they discover that a really good lens will cost more than they paid for the entire camera kit.

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Tripeiro
By Tripeiro (4 months ago)

People buy what they think is "Pro" or looks "Pro". Nowdays, at least in Europe, I find more enthusiasts with mirrorless and advanced compacts (or more expensive DSLR`s with good lens), while the auto/kit lens "amateurs" have an entry level DLSR.

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wahid_satu
By wahid_satu (4 months ago)

Judging from the studio scene, which should be a controlled environment, just as many has observed, there's something wrong on the K-50 samples. They are not sharp when compared to other 16MP images, from the EM-5 or the D-4, at any ISO in raw. Even compared to its stablemate-the Pentax K-500-the images from K-50 looks soft. Assuming the lens used is the same for all studio shots, there may be something wrong with the camera, the operator or something else. Please redo the test, DPR.

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wahid_satu
By wahid_satu (4 months ago)

Looking at it again, only on the low light scenes do I see some areas of the scene less sharp than the others. Could be slight misalignment of the camera-scene.

1 upvote
mauritsvw
By mauritsvw (4 months ago)

I'm somewhat surprised at all the comments about the supposedly poor quality of the sample photos. The originals which I looked at seem very sharp on my good quality 24" IPS screen. And colour and shadow details can be tuned by the user.

I have to say all the brand bashing is a shame and a bit childish. Surely every manufacturer makes good products which deserve a place in the market, and more choices benefit the consumer. Smaller camera makers like Pentax also add spice to the market, which certainly doesn't make the world a worse place to live in.

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srados
By srados (4 months ago)

I was not "brand bash" Pentax but the photographer taking these pictures.I think if you attach this camera to miniature-pincer running nervously and set camera on full auto, it would take better approach in handling and using the camera and ultimately will yield better results.

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srados
By srados (4 months ago)

If the real world samples means AVERAGE USER which 90% of users, use full auto, that should be the norm of "real world" user pictures.Let the camera do the job.Later do "REAL" sample pictures with photographer input and best equipment and lenses possible for maximum output.

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

People who use full auto more than 10-20% of the time, typically aren't very good photographers. In fact, they typically suck, and know little, if anything, about making an image.

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Madaboutpix
By Madaboutpix (4 months ago)

@dual12:

Well, I guess it depends a little on the subject and situation. Actually, I happen to like Pentax's Hyper Program Mode, which lets me directly adjust shutter speed and F-stop with the front and rear dials. That is, I let the camera suggest exposure settings, usually based on a subject-specific program line I have pre-selected, and then make them fit my vision, if necessary. I may adjust ISO manually, or dial in some exposure compensation factor, too, but I still start out from "full auto".

In my experience, people passing out-of-hand judgements on people's photographic abilities tend to be those who are most reluctant to show their own work. But that must be pure coincidence ...

2 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

This building shot in the gallery is truly awful. Where is the sharpness? Compare this horror with some of the m4/3rd camera shots.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2760747/imgp0068?inalbum=pentax-k-50-samples-gallery

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Akpinxit
By Akpinxit (4 months ago)

That is about the first time , when I would go for noisier high ISO image over lower resolution details : even on ISO 100 , RAW looks as smudged as JPG

1 upvote
srados
By srados (4 months ago)

I do not understand shooting 100 ISO in conditions clearly in need of lets say 400 ISO?!
Some of the pics to my taste are blurry and useless.Without tripod those sunset moments I would not shoot without tripod at 100 ISO with non-stabilized lens.
If those are "real world" images, than Dpreview and I we have two different understanding of reality what photographer should do in certain lighting situations.And I am not trolling...I am just disappointed.I do not think camera is not capable of taking good sharp pictures, I am just questioning photographer...And I am not even Pentax fan.

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jon404
By jon404 (4 months ago)

I have a Pentax K-30 -- same sort of thing. It's a good camera, geat in the hands. But the real winner is my older Pentax K-01, with a Hoodman loupe gaffer-taped on the back to make a HUGE evf. The K-01, with a 35mm f/2.4 Pentax lens, produces VERY sharp images.

But I'm going on. Anyway -- Pentax? Recommended.

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Resom
By Resom (4 months ago)

dpreview: "The K-30 is built around the updated 16MP CMOS sensor and processor used in the K-01 - one of the only cameras we've seen to exceed the K-5's low light performance"

btw - I don´t think that the IQ of the K-01 is better.

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Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

Well I see the Canikon slurpers are out in full force to uphold their plastic boring purchases.

24 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (4 months ago)

Actually, all I see is Pentax fans going nuts tearing to shreds anyone who dares to question their religion.

Too bad, cause Pentax used to be something special. I remember LX. That was an amazing camera for its day. I wish Pentax today would be the same company and make quality cameras and lenses at reasonable prices instead of raising their prices sky high every time they put a new coat of paint on their old lenses.

Nikon missed the boat with the Df this year. Pentax with their compatibility could do it and produce an all-manual digital LX, but I doubt they have the cojones to take the risk.

8 upvotes
groucher
By groucher (4 months ago)

Absolutely spot on. A digital LX would resurrect Pentax's fortunes. Such a camera would bring huge numbers of people back into photography if my unscientific poll of my work colleagues is anything to go by. The camera manufacturers don't seem to do market research.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

Agreed about a digital Pentax LX. As for the rest, well, the reason Pentax doesn't sell as well as other brands must be because people lack the refinement necessary to appreciate Pentax. Yeah, that's it.

It was the same thing with the Topcon Super D all those Alpas. No respect.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

People today are so peer-driven that it's not surprising spending would be concentrated in the two best-known brands. This has allowed Canon and Nikon to slack-off, putting out cameras with some pretty bad flaws.

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onlooker
By onlooker (4 months ago)

@groucher & AbrasiveReducer: This is not Pentax, but if another company wants to go down that niche, I would vote for digital OM-1n. I always loved that match needle more than LEDs. That would be pure photography. If you go niche, go all the way. :)

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (4 months ago)

Excellent pictures; punch colour and detail. The landscape IMGP0155 is great.

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saralecaire
By saralecaire (4 months ago)

DPR editors have a weird understanding of linear time... unless it's a Canon or Nikon of course.

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onlooker
By onlooker (4 months ago)

Don't anybody breath. Zombies have risen. It's feeding time.

;)

1 upvote
justmeMN
By justmeMN (4 months ago)

As someone who owned a Pentax film-SLR, it's sad to see what the company has become. The company was sold, and resold, and doesn't have much of a future. In 2010 they had a whopping 1.5% worldwide market share, and it's probably even worse now.

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

Pentax sales have increased significantly from 2010 and Pentax has a bright future. Canon and Nikon are now losing share…very, very slowly, but they're losing it.

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aekn
By aekn (4 months ago)

It's sad to see these types of uninformed posts. Companies being sold and re-sold are called "today's economy". What does it matter what market share they have as long as the company is profitable (one of the few that are today)? If you're a consumer, product features, quality, price/performance ratio, and accessibility (even if only online) should be mostly what matters.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

Minolta was bought by a large successful company with deep pockets and that really worked out well, especially for Minolta's employees, to whom Sony was especially kind (yes, that's kidding).

It seems obvious more second tier camera manufacturers will go by the wayside. If Pentax can make some money with such good products at much lower prices than Canon & Nikon, who knows?

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Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

You just made it under the wire for dumbest post of 2013. Are you actually smoking crack while you are typing? I swear, a Pentax employee must have run off with your wife or something. Just plain ignorance and flat out retardation.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (4 months ago)

You don't need to be the market leader to be successful.

Leica has never been a top ten sales force in the industry. Neither has Porsche, BMW, or dozens of other very successful companies.

You need to offer quality and value, and I think Pentax does that.

9 upvotes
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (4 months ago)

FTR, the 1.5% figure included the compacts. Yes, all it really said is that Pentax was not encumbered with the money-losing, fast declining, companies-don't-know-how-to-get-rid-of-them compacts.
In Japan, according to BCNranking, Ricoh Imaging (the company owning Pentax) has 5.2% from the DSLR market and 9.8% of the MILC one. That means growth compared to the previous year; and I expect next year the DSLR share to be larger (though most likely still single digit).

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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (4 months ago)

Sorry but this collection of images doesn't make it for me. I see terrible shadow detail, colors are somewhat muted, they're too coolish in tone and sharpness could be better in most of them. Finally, the fact that you can order this in 120 different color combinations isn't exactly a feature Pentax should be bragging about to people who are at all semi-serious about a piece of photographic equipment. I mean come on . . .

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

You prefer worse images from Canon?

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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (4 months ago)

No, I'm suggesting Pentax can do better. This particular collection of sample images doesn't do this camera justice. Please stop thinking a critical observation is automatically a trolling response. Professionals don't do this and your response is exactly why so many professionals rarely post here anymore.

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

Why would professionals post here? This site is obviously NOT geared for professionals.

Also, why aren't you blaming the reviewer for his bad photos???

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drummercam
By drummercam (4 months ago)

Pentax didn't do any bragging here about 120 colors. That's what DPR chose to point out here. Pentax offers K-50 with color choice, true, but that's just one more marketing strategy in a field full of marketing strategies. Nikon does cameras in red, and its full-bore emphasis on the retro look in the Df is likewise an attempt to gain market share based on appearances. The fact is that Pentax K-50 does a great job photographically, in spite of the insipid selection of "real-world" shots here from DPR. Looks like real-world shots from a poor photographer, not a bad camera.

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IZO100
By IZO100 (4 months ago)

another unappealing camera from Pentax. I wonder how they managed to stay in business all these years.

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alfredo_tomato
By alfredo_tomato (4 months ago)

In some parts of the world, consumers are not afraid of color. They don't care that a pink camera doesn't look professional. They like it, and that's what is important.

They wouldn't offer color options if there wasn't a market.

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Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

Has a camera ever been reviewed here where some bonehead doesn't say this? From the best to the worse, there's always a Master Yoda who just 'doesn't see that the images are good'.

And btw, black camera are boring, for boring people.

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Cobra Wing
By Cobra Wing (4 months ago)

Likewise, has there ever been a review here were others render honest opinions without people like YOU (Cane) accusing them of being "boneheads" or engage in other flamebait junvenile name calling simply because you didn't agree with their opinion? Many of us who have been on this forum for years are no longer posting here because of people like you. It's a shame.

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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (4 months ago)

@Cane . . . who said "black camera are boring, for boring people".

I supose Victor Hasselblaid, Harry Benson, Ansel Adams, Alfred Eisenstaedt, Andy Warhol, David Muench, Annie Liebovitz, Henri Cartier-Briesson, etc. were all BORING people to you huh?

Your statement, along with the rest of the ignornat dribble you just spewed is indeed representative of your knowledge of this craft. Yes, you can indeed have a camera of any color you like. I never said you couldn't. However, I would never be so narrow as to say a black camera is for boring people. All of the above professionals and tons of others of all levels of photography have used a black camera. They are not boring. If you wish to offer a differing opinion then fine, but such statements from you truly make you like foolish.

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Couscousdelight
By Couscousdelight (4 months ago)

IZO100, i've read some of your comment's history, are you for real ?
I mean, for all Pentax article, you're here to post your uninteresting thoughts about how bad Pentax is. Your wife is gone with a Pentax rep ?
B.T.W., your "gallery" speaks for itself, you just don't know what photography is.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Master Yoda, from what I see colours look fine to me and sharpness looks okay in the image sample. It may be a little bit underexposed but looks almost just right to preserve highlight that you don't want to blow out. Highlight is very hard to recover while recover in shadow is much easier than that anyway.

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

According to DXo. This inexpensive Pentax K-50 has significantly better dynamic range and high iso performance than the Canon 7D and 70D. Canon marketing has fooled a lot of people.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

By using Sony sensor is the reason why. Got nothing to do with camera itself in the DxO scoring. DxO score based on how sensor performs and using as RAW images. (No adjustment made by camera when set on raw mode). So RAW is raw. When you edit, you edit yourself with your taste of it instead of camera doing it for you. I noticed 70D is a lot improvement over 7D in iso noise and colours. And having phase detection incorporated it to have dual AF beats Sony by miles. Sony A7 dual AF failed in test. In low light, Canon 10D, 50D and 7D I used to own picks up AF much better than Nex 7 I have now which is interesting, thats without flash gun using or without using built in flash. Although I find it funny if I turn off Assist lamp in Nex 7, AF turns out a lot better than having it on which is strange. Canon invention is still pretty clever anyway.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Although imo, I rather see studio sample than the DxO based score so I can see it for myself to see how good it turns out. Just looking at score is not helping at all. You need to see some samples, studio shot to see for yourself to see if it does truly or not truly match the DxO based score. Accuracy can be off sometimes in score unfortunately.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

The DxO score is useful for making posts on DPR or telling people you got the camera or lens with the highest DxO score.

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

There are plenty of awful and mediocre Canon images on this site to prove that DxO is right about Canon. And DPR testing shows that Canon APS-C sensors are noisy as hell.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

*Yawn* is only response I can make.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

There is still room for improvement is Canon sensors. Canon relies on in camera processing too much, and it shows.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

I don't see problem for me in previous Canon camera. There are lots of software that can fix noise in shadow and in high ISO images. Majority of people use Canon for wedding photography and the videography. So is TV and Movie making. And also raw software are so good that can rescue problem for Canon images. And I still never forget about fantastic lens line up back then. 70D I checked out came out a lot better than 7D. 7D is very old sensor generation. 70D is brand new. 70D has a lot better in noise than old 7D by miles. It will keep getting better and Canon will never give up catching up. Here for good example Ricoh comes to rescue Pentax and they are catching up. They will get there slowly. So have some patience and quit whinging. lol!

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

You don't make very good pictures naththo, so i will forgo on your Canon endorsements.

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MarkByland
By MarkByland (4 months ago)

Good thing I've got 120 colors to choose from because Full Frame just won't do.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

Good thing most amateurs do not need, or can make good use of FF.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

Pentax is slowly fading due to the fact that they boxed themselves into a corner they can't escape. Olympus faded on the SLR market but jumped at the right time in the m43 boat, Samsung and Panasonic gave up on their SLR dreams for the better. Not Pentax. They keep selling "hey, look at me, I'm slightly better than that entry level/mid level canon/nikon, for less $$".

At least Sony took a different road to Canon and Nikon when they saw they cannot compete.

The SLR market is shrinking considerably and Pentax is still banging the same old drum, making a better Rebel/D5100 and a slightly worst but cheaper 7D, paired with the ubiquitous 18-55, in all it's itterations. The fact of the matter is, most Pentax users I know still use the kit lenses, and with Pentax glass getting that much more expensive lately, it's really hard to justify adding quality glass to a body that wants to sell itself as a performance bargain in comparrison to C/N. Time for Pentax to step up their game.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (4 months ago)

"At least Sony took a different road to Canon and Nikon when they saw they cannot compete."

For your information, Pentax is the company that defined the SLR look. They have invented this whole game. So when you say a SLR, it's the Pentax that was copied by all other companies. Pentax has nothing to be ashamed of, or be forced to withdraw, or do anything else — in the game that they have invented. Same as Apple will never withdraw from the personal computer game they have invented (despite others selling more PCs than Apple, or others selling more DSLRs than Pentax).
Pentax also proves they can make a better DSLR than anyone else, if they like, and whether you, or anyone else, dislikes that fact.
So, step up your game ... and do some homework. :)

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StephanSchmidt
By StephanSchmidt (4 months ago)

"For your information, Pentax is the company that defined the SLR look."

And this is which way relevant to nicolaiecostels comment?

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

Corporations live by profit, and it's the present that matters. Pentax might have coined the SLR look but they failed to stay ahead. Minolta might have pioneered autofocus, but where are they now ?

"Pentax also proves they can make a better DSLR than anyone else, if they like, and whether you, or anyone else, dislikes that fact. "
Just for the sake of argument, I hope you realise this claim is utterly ridiculous. Pentax never even made a professional SLR, the best the ever had that came close to professional was the LX. Nowadays, the best SLR they make is the 645D, which I'm not going to discuss because it's too much of a niche camera, and it's kinda the MF bargain, so it's not really the best in that category. On 135, Pentax's best effort is the K5ii, if I remember correctly, and that camera competes and arguably betters the likes of 70D and D7100. What about the rest of C/N SLR's ? Pentax makes bargain cameras, they allways had, but the market is shifting and even C/N feel the blow

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

And look at the pictures in this gallery, where is the Pentax punch ? I see mediocre DR, cold WB, no color. The photos also don't look particularily sharp either. Nowadays there are smartphones that can output similar results.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

'Nowadays there are smartphones that can output similar results.'

troll

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

I meant pictures like the ones in this gallery. No offense, they are terrible !

I'm not even mad you called me troll, it's the typical fanboy response.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

Trolling is typical fanboy behaviour. When you want to dis the dpreview crew, just say so, when you want to dis this camera say so. Don't go explaining what you mean, just say so the first time. And stop trolling.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

The pictures in this galery are modest, at best. The lens seems to be quite modest and the camera looks fairly simple minded, with few controls, no top screen, no articulating LCD, etc. It's hard to not sound like a troll, really.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

It's hard not to sound like a troll when you are one. There are no entry level dslrs with top lcd. This has two control wheels and a 100% view pentaprism. The only one in it's price class and a fair bit above.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

Yeah, about your comments mentioning Nikon and Olympus cameras .. A troll knows a troll when he sees one, right ?

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Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (4 months ago)

nicolaie, I see even now you're hating Pentax.
+ Pentax is not fading, or should I say no longer fading (once Ricoh took over); hey are actually growing and will continue to do so.
+ the DSLR to MILC ratio increased compared to the last year (January to October), according to CIPA. For each MILC there were about 4.6 DSLRs being made; now tell me, why should a DSLR maker be in a hurry to give up on DSLRs?
+ the K-3 beats the 7D from many points of view, including image quality.
+ Pentax is NOT a bargain brand.
+ DPReview is not known for the best samples one could get from a camera. Those are snapshots, taken probably with a kit lens.

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Peteo
By Peteo (4 months ago)

Yep nicolaiecostel, you are right. Pentax should just shut the doors and go bankrupt because obviously you know more about running a business than Ricoh does. Obviously you haven't read any reviews on the K3 or K5iis. Obviously you aren't aware that the K3 was chosen as the most innovative new product on this website by it's members. Obviously you know that Pentax is working on a full frame for release next year but you know it must be a failure.

Let me name you a few companies that were down on their luck at one time and have bounced back from the ashes. Apple prior to hiring Jobs back to run them for the second time, Ferrari of the late 70's, Chrysler until Fiat (who bought out Ferrari) just purchased them. How about we add IBM, Ford, Hewlett Packard and Xerox to that list, all of which are now doing great. Good thing Apple didn't heed your advise hey nicolaiecostel?

You don't like Pentax, so what. Some do and more will in the future.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Same sensor is not step up game. Same feature, not step up game, etc etc. Where is significant improvement over older models, I don't think so. You would rather stick to old K5 until numerous people who had issue problem with K3 is properly ironed out. Forget K5II not much difference to K5. Forget K50-K500 nothing much difference to K5. Waste of time and game. I also agreed with Alex Sarbu, studio shot was very poor for those Pentax camera, not impressed. Image Resource done a LOT better job with better lens for studio shot with Pentax. Wait until K3 is properly fixed then its safe to purchase K3. K5-K3 will be MUCH better off than those cheap K50 K500. Steer clear of kit lens and cheap lens either.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (4 months ago)

Yep, he's Trolling. He may not be a troll, but he's trolling. Some of you are taking the bait too.

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mgm2
By mgm2 (4 months ago)

Don't forget, its Ricoh Pentax and they have produced the wonderful GR. They are not fading away!

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Fyi, these images in gallery looks better than the studio shot looks awfully soft?

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (4 months ago)

@naththo?

K5II not much different from the K5? K3 needs fixing? What are you smoking?

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Peteo
By Peteo (4 months ago)

naththo, K5ii to K5 is much improved. I know, I own both. By the way, Pentax is known for having the best kit lenses of all DSLR manufactures. fakuryu is right, what are you smoking?

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

fakuryu, I saw lots of complaining in Pentax Forum about K3 soft/blurry issue problem, this is very common now. It is all embarrassment for the worst invention ever made by Ricoh/Pentax is incorporated the AA simulation into the SR at the same time made matter a lot worse. Its not good idea. I don't think Ricoh hasn't done enough to test it to make sure it is really working before being made into public to sell K3. Only very very few K3 are happy with it, but most of it are not happy. This is not good enough. No excuse at all, period.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Once again I cannot see much difference between K5 and K5 ii. Few of Aussie storm chaser did not want to buy K5 ii for reason it is not much difference to K5. So they stick to K5 for now until much better one arrives in a few years time. That was their reason as well.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Kit lens still cheap lens same thing as cheap lens. Not as good as more expensive glass lens with higher quality glass lens. Cheap lens will have problems like either one or more of those: Prone to flare, abberation, corner and edge to edge softness and may be softer than the better quality glass lens around. Prime lens would be good idea to be better off with or get much higher quality zoom glass lens with special feature like Canon L series. Still kit lens is not bad really for some.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

I don't know what the "SLR look" is, but if it has something to do with the SLR camera, the inventor would be Exakta, right?

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

There is no blur problem with the k-3. That's all down to user error.

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Peteo
By Peteo (4 months ago)

naththo how many Pentax kit lenses have you shot with? What experience do you base your claim on? I guess we should all base our purchasing decisions of what Aussie storm chasers tell us eh Mate? Obviously they are the experts.

Simply put Pentax primes are some of the best glass available in terms of quality and size. Yes they can be a bit expensive but are considered by many experts to be exceptional. And while their kit lenses are not the equal of their primes they are far better than those offered by Sony, Canon and Nikon. Please do a little bit of research before posting your nonsense.

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pacnwhobbyist
By pacnwhobbyist (4 months ago)

I don't think the OP is all that off base. I don't agree that the SLR marker is "shrinking considerably" but the way the whole industry is going, it's going to be tough for them (Ricoh) to stay afloat as far as selling cameras are concerned. Especially when you consider that other camera manufacturers who have a much larger market share than they do cannot even eke out a profit from selling cameras. Not saying they can't continue on, they released some really good, competitive products in 2013, but they have to keep that momentum up in the new year. Especially when it comes to marketing their product, which has been a short-coming for some time now.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

I have checked SLRgear lens review and so is DxOMark lens review and that can prove the point is that kit lens like 18-135mm does have corner softness issue problem. So is 18-55mm as well. Although 18-55mm does exhibit bit better quality as it is a lot less zoom range than 18-135mm which is quite extreme zoom range. 18-135mm is class as almost all purpose lens, that is not professional lens. Kit lens are for starter.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

D1N10 did someone said turn off noise reduction would resolves problem why image came out fairly soft? I came across one in Pentax forum that said turn off the noise reduction. Im wondering if the Dpreview guy who did not turn off noise reduction for studio scene?

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LarryLatchkey
By LarryLatchkey (4 months ago)

Noise seems to be quite coarse in comparison, but if you look at the colours (beatles embroidery!) the Pentax retains them by far the best at high iso.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (4 months ago)

There very soft. I think they used a cheap kit lens. Or maybe a faulty unit?
But it sure does not make the Pentax look like a winner, for sure.

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maarensv
By maarensv (4 months ago)

Better hope this is a faulty lens and not average performance.
But I'm affraid it is not. I've seen this before with Pentax zoom lenses.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

They look soft because you are comparing with the D5300 which has 24mp and no low pass filter. Compared to other 16mp sensors they are not soft.

The studio shots were made with the SMC Pentax D-FA 50mm F2.8 macro lens.

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maarensv
By maarensv (4 months ago)

Sample shots do not look soft because compared to something else. They're just plain bad per se. The K-50 simply deserves a better kit lens.

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walberty
By walberty (4 months ago)

Some of the photos seem sharp enough others very soft. Not sure, but it seems like the softest shots are those at 55mm. Perhaps they should try another copy of the same lens? I think with the K-3 samples they used varous lenses such as the DA* 16-50 and the 50-135 with much better results. It would be interesting to see how the K-50 would perform with those lenses.

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naththo
By naththo (4 months ago)

Macro lens is meant to be for macro only. lol! Silly billy!

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Theelderkeynes
By Theelderkeynes (4 months ago)

I have to agree with atomole the images do seem to look slightly soft, unusual for Pentax. Maybe reshoot to see if its the lens, or (!) operator???

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D 503
By D 503 (4 months ago)

I'm sure it is nice but Pentax has always seemed a bit soft.

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yonsarh
By yonsarh (4 months ago)

If Pentax change their design concept, will be their customer

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (4 months ago)

And if my auntie had b@ll5 she'd be my uncle.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (4 months ago)

If I were you, I'd start with learning proper English before presuming or wishing Pentax will or would change their design concept.

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rpm40
By rpm40 (4 months ago)

Picking on grammar on a site with a broad base of international users and non-native English speakers makes you look like a dick.

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senn_b
By senn_b (4 months ago)

.. then I hope you won't become a Pentax costumer ;) :D

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mvmv
By mvmv (4 months ago)

RAW and jpg in K50 at ISO 25600 seems to be almost same, if you compare at the back of the cards. RAWjpg?

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attomole
By attomole (4 months ago)

Noise performance seems close to full frame, but image is slightly soft not sure if this is down to the lens or soothing else

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iliasb
By iliasb (4 months ago)

Everyone seems to love Pentax cameras but very few buy them..

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Piciul
By Piciul (4 months ago)

So there are very few shepherds and lots of sheep

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (4 months ago)

So much grass; so little grazing time.

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (4 months ago)

Their lens prices are outrageous......

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JustDavid
By JustDavid (4 months ago)

qwertyasdf, aren't you comparing Pentax limiteds with other brand's kit lens by any chance? If you look at like for like price comparison, they'd be on par

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Madaboutpix
By Madaboutpix (4 months ago)

Interestingly, Pentax DSLRs seem to be loved particularly by those who own and use them. People buying into the Pentax system tend to be quite photography-minded people who know what they're doing, given that it would be so much easier to go for the bigger brands.

Canikons are easier to sell, too, because as soon as potential customers read the brand plate, things are pretty much settled. That's because Canon and Nikon are generally perceived as the superior "pro-grade stuff", which may be true for their near-unaffordable top-tier models, but is not necessarily true for their beginner and enthusiast offerings.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

There is a bit of truth, here. Canon and Nikon have the name that will impress your friends and if you spend more than $2500, you are automatically a professional.

On the other hand, I'm sure a lot of this is driven not by technology but by price and there's nothing wrong with that.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

You can't argue with performance. A very good deal.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

Cue the haters in 3, 2, 1...

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Keytsa
By Keytsa (4 months ago)

I love Pentax for only one reason... AA batteries. I wish Fuji or Canon would make some adapter for these batteries, not just grip, as it's bulks the camera. Anyway standard good Pentax. Best money-performance value.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (4 months ago)

I had a Pentax with AA bateries and it was completely pointless. You charge 4 batteries insead of one, the battery life is better with one Li-Ion battery, it's more compact, and that one time that I had ran out of battery and purchased AA's, the only option I had was to buy some cheap 777 chinese batteries that didn't even powered up the camera. I'm honestly not making this up. I am far more pleased with my current camera, that takes a single Li Ion power unit.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

AA's are optional in the K-50 it takes both. Eneloops work very well with it as well.

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Keytsa
By Keytsa (4 months ago)

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Give me an option so if I need it I can use it...

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

By far and large the best deal for anyone getting into photography.

- 100% pentaPRISM viewfinder
- Weather Sealing
- 6 fps
- 1/6000s shutter
- AA battery compatible
- Dual control wheels
- Weather Sealed kit lenses

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LeitzKameraAktion
By LeitzKameraAktion (4 months ago)

You forgot the most important feature - available in 120 different colour combinations!

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Allen Yang
By Allen Yang (4 months ago)

You can keep counting the "so-called" advantages.
However, lacking good performance/price zoom lens essentially ruins the brand, not to mention that Pentax doesn't have good AF system and the fact that they don't have full frame cameras.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

There is a good 18-135, the kit lens is better than most. There are excellent options from Sigma (17-70) and Tamron (17-50). Pentax does have a good AF system and when you are not buying a FF it does not matter. So please stop justifying whatever brand you bought. (O come on a Nex-f3???)

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

Don't forget the stellar 55-300, which is now weather sealed.

Please point me to Canikon's weather sealed options for kit lenses?

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Allen Yang
By Allen Yang (4 months ago)

D1N0. So, you mentioned three lens and two of them are offered by third-party companies. Interesting!

what's more, it does matter to those who want to upgrade to a FF camera at some point. I'm not justifying any brand. I'm just being frank.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

My list was not exhaustive. Plenty of Pentax glass has a full frame image circle. Just not the wide zooms. But no 18-55 of any other brand has a FF image circle. So these lenses will be useless on FF of the same brand. I have over 30 lenses for Pentax that are FF. Anyway there will be a Pentax FF in 2014. Probably at the Photokina in Cologne.

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dual12
By dual12 (4 months ago)

I consider full frame a downgrade. I'd lose reach and I'd have to buy Canikon junk.

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KL Matt
By KL Matt (4 months ago)

There's a biggie missing from the list above: you get in-body image stabilization with every single lens you use with this body with the Pentax in-body image stabilization, including the tiny Pentax pancakes.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (4 months ago)

very NICE
i just love Pentax cameras

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PG Thomas
By PG Thomas (4 months ago)

Some comment about the LX not being a Professional Camera? Well it was the first one at the time with TTL metering. And I still have A FD-1 magnifying optic which has a bayonet mount into the Pentaprism (Can/Nikon just had magnifying adapters). It's actually still very good for identifying specks of dust on the sensor of My K5 & XPro-1.

The main reason I keep with Pentax for DSLR's is (like most people of my years) the K Mount, and I quite happily use many of my old '70's Lenses. Such as the Tamron SP 300 F2.8 & SP90 Macro.

Foe IQ I would defer to Fuji nowadays, and their suite of lenses are unsurpassed for the price. But its not waterproof, which the PK is, using its two kit lenses - For a committed rambler is essential.

PS. the current top Pentax is the K3, when the price drops next year I may invest.

I just don't understand the need to compare DSLR brands in this heated way. They are all excellent.

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Darby
By Darby (4 months ago)

Must create the need to buy new stuff.

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BNapa
By BNapa (4 months ago)

I agree. We "NEED" more cameras!!

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