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Have Your Say: Best DSLR / SLT of 2013

By dpreview staff on Dec 18, 2013 at 21:56 GMT
Have Your Say: Best DSLR / SLT of 2013
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Have Your Say: Best DSLR / SLT of 2013

Several new DSLRs were announced in 2013, even as mirrorless cameras nipped at their heels in the entry-level and enthusiast segments of the market. Among the new DSLRs released this year were a handful of iterative updates to existing models, but also some all-new contenders, including Canon's high-tech EOS 70D and Nikon's entirely unconventional (or perhaps that should be entirely traditional) Df. Click through this slideshow to check out the selection, and cast your vote. 

Note that much of the content in this article is taken from our extensive series of buying guide articles.


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Comments

Total comments: 349
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Adrian Harris
By Adrian Harris (1 month ago)

Annoyed of the UK writes regarding Pentax statement...

"...there's no full-frame option to upgrade to."

I am fed up with reviewers assuming a bigger sensor is 'upgrading'.
Personally I would like to 'upgrade to micro4/3'. Oh let me think, that must be a downgrade path !

0 upvotes
Reinhard136
By Reinhard136 (3 months ago)

very smart move for the canikon boys to vote for the pentax ...... puts the shivers up canikon, and they try harder to match it - means they get a better camera inside a year which they can use their existing lenses with ...

0 upvotes
koolbreez
By koolbreez (3 months ago)

It's interesting that even though the K-3 did good, three times as many people actually bought the Nikon D7100. I have to wonder why it was not rated the best of the year if more people in fact bought it than any other DSLR? More people bought it than those that even wanted to buy the K-3.

1 upvote
beholder3
By beholder3 (3 months ago)

Last year - with Olympus, Canikons in the lead - the poll ended on January 1st.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/01/01/best-camera-of-2012-results

This time around it looks like it'll run for how long...?

5 upvotes
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (3 months ago)

The poll stays for as long as it is needed for Nikon to release the D400, which will be reviewed immediately, creating a buzz that will then change the graphs just enough to make the major advertiser on DPR very happy. :)

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
6 upvotes
BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

They don't want Pentax to win i guess.
But let's be honest The K3 deserves the win.
And the Dual pixel AF of the Canon deserves second place.

I do think the D7100 is a better still camera then the 70D. But There is no innovation.

2 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

I wouldn't say they don't want Pentax to win. They probably weren't expecting it, though, even to place in the top three. If you look at last year's results, they had full reviews ready for the top three cameras, which is probably why they got the Df, D7100, 70D, SL1 and T5i reviews ready ahead of the poll. I assume they're scrambling a little now to get the K-3 review finished and rewrite the Results story they may have already had ready and waiting ahead of the holidays.

2 upvotes
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (3 months ago)

Well, they clearly said which are the cameras one should vote for:
"Canon's high-tech EOS 70D and Nikon's entirely unconventional (or perhaps that should be entirely traditional) Df" ;-)

0 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

The poll ran through Jan 1.

1 upvote
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (3 months ago)

Thanks for clearing this up.

0 upvotes
Just Ed
By Just Ed (3 months ago)

The best I have used in the Canon 5d mkiii, not on the list.
My 6D is a fine camera and am surprised that it is not included in the poll either. Oddly it is in the sidebar of this page as one of the most popular cameras.

Would I get banned for mentioning the convenient inclusion of the Nik D610 which just came out but not the storied D600 which was a best seller?

0 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Being that this is the "Best of 2013" poll, it's not surprising cameras from March and September of 2012 weren't included.

5 upvotes
Just Ed
By Just Ed (3 months ago)

I don't think the 6d was available at many stores before January.

0 upvotes
rjjr
By rjjr (3 months ago)

I voted with my wallet and picked up the only DSLR body introduced this year having the IQ I prefer that would work well for my job with the lenses I already own (without an adapter) and is the size and weight I can easily cart around at a price I can afford to pay.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

...is it the K-500?

0 upvotes
rjjr
By rjjr (3 months ago)

No.

0 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Oh.

0 upvotes
moizes 2
By moizes 2 (4 months ago)

The absolute best is the new Oly M1, if operator doesn't need huge magny. Nothing is better than that miracle with MMF-3 and astonishing 50-200/2.8, what means 100-400/2.8-3.5 for 35mm. Pen K3 needs updating of color gamut, then, I will see. D800/e is still The King, nothing even close to it, for 2 last years. DF is good for any half of its price. It is my personal view, of course.

0 upvotes
drummercam
By drummercam (4 months ago)

DPR's teaser for this news story:
"Several new DSLRs were announced in 2013, even as mirrorless cameras nipped at their heels in the entry-level and enthusiast segments of the market. Among the new DSLRs released this year were a handful of iterative updates to existing models, but also some all-new contenders, including Canon's high-tech EOS 70D and Nikon's entirely unconventional (or perhaps that should be entirely traditional) Df."

Despite the apparent push of Canon and Nikon here, the Pentax K-3 wins the poll handily. And by no means was the K-3 an "iterative update" to an existing model, either. Nor did Pentax fanboys skew the poll, I don't think. Statistically, there would be far greater numbers of such votes for the other brands. I think the right camera came out on top here, and justifiably so.

15 upvotes
beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

Sad try to influence the results.
Every beginner in journalism knows that you do no *ever* higlight single entrants in a poll if you want to be taken seriously.

Just imagine elections being officially announced as "Vote for high-tech Obama or iterative updates to existing parties' candidates"...

6 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

If all these conspiracy theories were true, my life would be so much more interesting than it actually is. I literally do not care who you vote for here. It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to my personal or professional life, or that of the site.

Comment edited 44 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
oeriies
By oeriies (4 months ago)

I recently switched to Nikon (D7100 & D800E) after being a Pentax user for a long time. I did so because I mostly shoot above 300mm where Pentax is weak. I'm pleased to see the K-3 in the winner's position because once you use a Pentax body you're gonna love how it handles, and the K-3 appears to be the best APS-C camera on the market in terms of the whole package. It is the D400 Nikon should have released, with better ergonomics, built in image stabilization for any lens, and an innovative approach to an AA filter. I like my Nikon gear, but if and when Pentax produces a full frame body and fast super-telephotos I'll be back. In the meantime, kudos for the K-3.

11 upvotes
FW Birds
By FW Birds (4 months ago)

I was in the market for my first DSLR. I looked at all the available options and purchased the Pentax K-3. It is simply an awesome camera. I paired it with the DA*300 mm lens for birding and absolutely love it. Couldn't be happier.

8 upvotes
beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

Basically this poll is saying that there are a lot of people who suffer from the makers "mount prisons", because the do like certain cameras but will not buy them because they are too invested in other mount glass.

Customers are just cows to milk.

10 upvotes
06m1r3m86
By 06m1r3m86 (4 months ago)

And that's kinda a shame, because I really like what Nikon and Pentax are making but I also like my Canon lenses.

This is really wishful thinking, but it would be nice if all cameras had a common mount and then we could buy the camera we want, and the lenses we want, and the flashes we want, regardless of brand! Buuuuut that's never going to happen!

3 upvotes
Lab D
By Lab D (4 months ago)

That is why everyone should join Micro Four Thirds!
OK, that will never happen.
Lenses are more important than bodies IMHO, and it would be nice if it were easier to switch.
As for the topic, Pentax is making some nice cameras these days.

6 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (4 months ago)

Yeah, every DSLR/mirrorless manufacturer should take one from RED cameras' book. You can buy their cameras with whatever lens mount you want (pretty much) and you're good to go, full support for your existing glass.
Alright, may have exaggerated a tad with whatever mount you want, but still their selection is a good start....http://www.red.com/store/accessories

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
emtx
By emtx (4 months ago)

You got to be kidding... Red mount cost 3900 USD for Canon. For that you get K3 with 5 limiteds. For price of actual RED camera 30000 you get whole Pro FF equipment.

0 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (4 months ago)

I'm saying in theory, it would be nice if DSLRs would do the swappable mounts like RED, since there's no likelihood we're going to see a new "universal" SLR mount like the M42 (outside of micro 4/3, anyways)

0 upvotes
beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

It is kind of sad that manufacturers can rely on forcing their customers to buy subpar and crippled cameras once these customers gulped the poisoned bait of some lenses. Just imagine what level of quality products we all could be buying if real competition existed on interoperable and compatible products. They would have to spend a lot more on research than on marketing so adding real value instead of trying to make customers even dumber.

1 upvote
hunter
By hunter (4 months ago)

what I like vs what I buy
I like all the new features of all the manufacturers
I buy full frame that works with my collection of L-glass

2 upvotes
Fletcher8
By Fletcher8 (4 months ago)

Makes a change to see a brand other than Canon or Nikon creating such interest. As for the voting I would have thought there were less Pentax fanboys, so its interesting to see so many votes for the K3.

Pentax have produced a great camera and deserves the vote regardless of which brand people shoot. When an underdog produces such a innovative camera it gets my vote.

Comment edited 38 seconds after posting
14 upvotes
emtx
By emtx (4 months ago)

I shoot with 3 different brands - I swap as it goes / what studio gives at the moment. But Pentax cameras are joy to use. I started of them, but I love to come back.

3 upvotes
brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

I shoot Nikon, exclusively. But I really like what Pentax has done with the K-3. Weather sealed, tricks with AA filter - really innovative body.

2 upvotes
FinDERP
By FinDERP (4 months ago)

Pentax getting the recognition they deserve? Wahey!

17 upvotes
drummercam
By drummercam (4 months ago)

Only from the public, not DPR . . .

15 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

I have faith Simon and staff will get it right this time in the K-3 review...

3 upvotes
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (4 months ago)

Maybe they'll also take a look at the misaligned studio samples, be it because of the camera alignment or the lens.

3 upvotes
Jake64
By Jake64 (4 months ago)

Though I love my D7000, I can't help but fee a bitl sad that the K-3 wasn't around two years ago.

4 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

a better camera will always come on top to become the best among others, hence the percentage garnered by the K-3...

Comment edited 7 minutes after posting
6 upvotes
unknown member
By (unknown member) (4 months ago)

Except.....look at the actual number of owners. Wonder where it got all those votes.

4 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

blame the canikon fan boys who voted for pentax and PRAISE those who know what's inside a good camera why this camera got overwhelming votes.
....participants in this poll are amenable that the K-3 possesses functions that are not found in other cameras or has functions that are a lot more better than canon and nikon....that is why people voted for it.

12 upvotes
SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (4 months ago)

I agree, also commented elsewhere in this thread. If only all this translate to better sales for Pentax, otherwise it was just a poll win based on what other brand users wish for in their cameras, but not going out to buy a K3 itself, including me.

1 upvote
DonFenix
By DonFenix (4 months ago)

Way to go Pentax K-3! Glad to see the return of the underdog. I have nothing against other brands, but I've been enjoying my Pentax cameras and lenses more than any Nikon, Canon, or Sony that I have used so far. I love Pentax as much for their small and light modern APS-C lenses (especially the Limited ones) as for the ability to grab a good old lens from eBay for little money, and marvel at how seamlessly it integrates a modern DSLR and how beautifully it performs decades after it was released. I really hope Pentax recaptures a good chunk of their long lost market share.

6 upvotes
Thoughts
By Thoughts (4 months ago)

Pentax users , although much fewer, tend to be more informed about their gear, which is quite good value for money.

I have never used Pentax DSLR, but I do love their small prime lenses. Nikon isn't very keen to offer similar DX lenses (35mm, 40mm, anything else I miss?), which was one of the main reasons why I decided to leave Nikon camp- I don't think I want to upgrade my DX to FX with everything heavier...

Well done, Pentax (and Sony) this year. I think the day when the industry without these two companies would be really a bad day for everyone...

Comment edited 9 minutes after posting
15 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

> (35mm, 40mm, anything else I miss?)

I won't list them here, but you missed A LOT ;)

5 upvotes
miles green
By miles green (4 months ago)

I will: 15, 21, 31, 35, 40, 43, 70, 77, 100...... :)

3 upvotes
Pablom
By Pablom (3 months ago)

you missed: 14, 50, 55

0 upvotes
Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (4 months ago)

Interesting to see the Pentax range bouncing back, after the Ricoh take-over. Still very uncertain if there ever will be a FF Pentax, but the K-3 seems a sure winner!

The D610 seems to have addressed all the flaws of the D600, just as it was intended.

Price aside, I think the Nikon Df might be a very much sought after collectable, in the years to come!

6 upvotes
brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

Yup, agree about the Df. As soon as it's ebay price comes down to earth, I think many people will be looking for one. Also, if history is a guide, Canon will probably be coming out with a Df style body sooner rather than later.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

One of the nicer things about digital cameras is that they're not collectible, being replaced almost immediately and likely impossible to repair in the years to come. But this means that a person buying a digital camera intends to use it, which seems like a good thing.

Given that the Df did not get a gold award from DPR (not a high hurdle) I think Canon will stick with regular cameras and stay out of the boutique market. Seeing their two attempts with the EOS-M, it makes sense for them to stick with what they know, even if it doesn't excite DPR readers.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 12 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
centre
By centre (4 months ago)

A great solid built camera, depassing the capacities of Canikson. With this, even professionals could be happy. Now waiting for the new line of pro-lenses.

4 upvotes
JMiller748
By JMiller748 (4 months ago)

Buying a K3 tomorrow, can not wait! Upgrading from K-r.

I do not think Pentax will be an underdog for much longer!

12 upvotes
KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (4 months ago)

If only the percentage of the votes for the K-3 translated into market share...

22 upvotes
zos xavius
By zos xavius (4 months ago)

Amen!!!

3 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

If everybody who voted for the Pentax bought one things might be different.

2 upvotes
sky12
By sky12 (4 months ago)

Welp, I kinda want a K-3 myself. Problem is I'm already invested in nikon glass. Maybe when I'm a little richer. Haha.

1 upvote
SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (4 months ago)

What the Pentax fanboys / followers came out in full fore to vote or is it just a sympathy vote for the underdog? I am not saying K3 is not a good camera by any measure, in fact it is at par and even above par with its comparable peers in several areas. But given that majority voters would be (assumed) CanNikon owners, surprising to see Pentax K3 leading this poll which means it has garnered 'non-pentaxian' votes too. Good for Pentax.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
13 upvotes
Ginetto
By Ginetto (4 months ago)

Is probably just the fact that K3 was the only one bringing some serious technology innovation among a bunch of almost just cosmetic upgrades.
I don't think the result is due to any fanboy conspiracy and I would just like to see an actual review of this camera other than the comments who seem to know already everything about this camera.
Please review this camera before 2015... people here have great expectations. ;-)

23 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (4 months ago)

I'm Sony user but I voted for the Pentax. It deserves #1 place.

14 upvotes
CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (4 months ago)

Ieeeeeeesh . When things don't go the way you want it to then its fanboys again ( In this case over a third of the voters ) . I am an Olympus DSLR user and I selected the Pentax K-3. Although if I changed systems it would probably be Nikon . Pentax tried something new and listened to their , users the rest just warmed up or fixed the previous model ( D610). Or put in denser sensor and took away half of the buffer and called it innovation.

People might not buy the brand but but give due to where its due. For a company that has about 3% of market share gets a third of the votes ( Some how) or maybe the CanNikon users are not as blinkered as one assumes and recognize a good product when they see it. Maybe a warning to CanNikon on what they( the users) expect.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
7 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"just a sympathy vote for the underdog?"

Does not seem like K-3 needs any sympathy votes being the best APS-C DSLR released this year. Maybe even the best APS-C DSLR ever (depending on real world performance of its AF system).

6 upvotes
Sordid
By Sordid (4 months ago)

I shoot Sony / Minolta but I'm not a stupid fanboy so why shouldn't I appreciate that another brand has released a great camera this year?

6 upvotes
PatMann
By PatMann (4 months ago)

There are a lot of frustrated APS-C Nikon and Canon owners like me who are losing patience with the manufacturers who are not incrementing their top-of-the-line cameras to top sensors. They're sending messages to Nikon and Canon. If the messages don't get through to products next year, the market share will drift farther to a variety of options including other DSLRs and mirrorless.

0 upvotes
SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (4 months ago)

Great Responses all - thank you. If you see carefully I wasn't bashing the K3 at all, just started with little bit of humor! but gave full credit to Pentax and the Voters. Honestly happy to see Pentax getting recognized. If I could switch from Canon, I would, but just too much gear to be sold and built-up again for a new system and also limited in my upgrade path to a full frame. If Pentax can address this big void, I would switch instantly.

2 upvotes
JeffAHayes
By JeffAHayes (3 months ago)

I'm one of those Pentax users Pentax listened to. I really have no idea how many other Pentax forums are active around the world and thus I have no idea how much the comments and threads are in the forum here are read by anyone who COUNTS at Ricoh/Pentax.

What I DO know is that ever since BEFORE the K-5II series came out I -- and a few other folks on the DPReview Pentax DSLR forum laid out PRECISELY what we wanted in our next Pentax camera -- in NUMEROUS POSTS. And I, for one, let it be known I certainly didn't think the K-5II WAS that camera (although now that I have a K-3 I plan to get a K-5IIs when the price gets right). In my case, I looked at one thing the D7000 had I thought Pentax should: dual UHS-1 SD card slots, which I said were MUST-HAVE items in a camera at this level, and also said we needed better metering and autofocus, especially tracking AF, we got most we asked for, plus some. Nobody even dreamed of a removed AA filter with filter simulation! The K-3 won ON MERIT!

0 upvotes
bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (4 months ago)

none of the above.... maybe 2014

(not a DSLR, so it doesn't count here, but A7R was them most interesting.... at least for Canon users wanting FF with more MP and DR for landscapes)

0 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

yes! none of the above, because YOUR CAMERA is not on this page.....scroll over a bit and you will find where you camera is polled...guys,know what you are reading! people here writes good and bad english,but there are some people who just can't seem to understand what they are reading..english is not my language ,but i do understand english better than others who got lost and ended up on this page, i think...

12 upvotes
Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (4 months ago)

Also according the "Best Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera of 2013" poll the A7r isn't the most interesting camera. And why would it be?

Comment edited 10 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

good IQ and ugly form factor don't make a good pair .

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

My thoughts exactly. The A7R has real promise, with a quieter shutter and a sensor that handles wide angles better. Otherwise, whatever camera you had in 2012 will probably still do the job. Photokina looks promising.

0 upvotes
dougster1979
By dougster1979 (4 months ago)

Image quality has come a long way over the last 10 years. I`d be happy with any of the 2013 offerings. K3 vs D7100 vs Df vs a7 a7r, omd...... But my camera has better weather sealing, my cameras smaller!!!! blah blah blah, If you give a s^%t about taking pictures its a great time!!!!

3 upvotes
BarnET
By BarnET (4 months ago)

From all the great bodies you mention there isn't a single made by Canon. So all produce good IQ except...........

3 upvotes
dougster1979
By dougster1979 (4 months ago)

Thank you for proving my point!!

3 upvotes
Nikos Zagas
By Nikos Zagas (4 months ago)

The PENTAX K3

The 5 professional characteristics for me in this camera.
Small, Strong, Fast, Friendly, Smart. !!!!!
The best choice in the market for that price for 2013.
I will waiting for more weather sealed lenses...

10 upvotes
audiobomber
By audiobomber (4 months ago)

Pentax weather sealed lenses: DA 18-55mm WR, DA 18--135mm WR, DA 50-200mm WR, DA 55-300mm WR, DA*16-50mm, DA*50-135mm, DA*60-250mm, DA*55mm f1.4, DA*200mm f2.8, DA*300mm f4, D FA 100mm f2.8 macro, DA 20-40mm Ltd.

Seems a pretty complete line. Who has more variety than this? (Please note that these lenses are fully weather-sealed, not just mount seals like some Nikons claimed as sealed).

3 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

Don't forget two hotshoe flashes and the K-50, the cheapest brand new weather sealed DSLR in existence ;)

Comment edited 22 seconds after posting
1 upvote
miles green
By miles green (4 months ago)

And the 560...

2 upvotes
audiobomber
By audiobomber (3 months ago)

Thanks Miles. I did miss the HD 560 f5.6

0 upvotes
starbase218
By starbase218 (4 months ago)

I don't really put much value in these polls, but I was curious as to how Pentax was doing, so I voted for the K-3 (only way to see the results is to vote). I like seeing it get so many votes, and the K-3 is innovative, with its selectable AA filter, but I think the K-50 deserves a few more votes as well. No other company offers a weather sealed body with pentaprism and dual control wheels at this price point. From a value point of view, I think it's one of the best.

I don't really care about "being different from the crowd" by choosing Pentax as a camera brand. I just don't see the point of it from a photographic point of view, which is what a camera is for, if I'm not mistaken. And Pentax has some weak spots (the DA* lens line is in serious need of an upgrade). But the K-3 seems to be an excellent camera, and I am considering upgrading to it from my K-5.

12 upvotes
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (4 months ago)

2013 was not a year for DSLRs that fit my needs. I'm looking at ya, 2014. Maybe Sony will jump back in.

Comment edited 42 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

Alternative poll for the WORST DSLR of 2013:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3594897

2 upvotes
Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

All I can say is the Nikon D5300 is the first DSLR to hit 24 megapixels with no anti-aliasing filter and a sub-$1,000 price tag. On top of that, it is the first DSLR with built-in GPS (the Sony cameras are SLT cameras - the Nikon has an optical viewfinder). AND it has a fold-out screen. I just wish it had weather seals, and a bigger buffer for shooting raw. Wi-fi control and a touch screen would be nice too, of course, as would in-body image stabilization, like the Sony and Pentax 24 Mp cameras have.

Nikon is going to have to step up their game though. (I actually think they have with the D5300 coming out so soon with all its extras.) With Pentax finally introducing their new K-3, there is a LOT of competition in the 24 Mp market now. The D400 better hurry up and get built, or the you know what is going to hit the fan in the Nikon camp. The fiasco with the D600 didn't help matters at all.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"I just wish it had weather seals"

Why? There are no DX weather-sealed lenses anyway.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

Why? There are no DX weather-sealed lenses anyway.

Pentax has 12 :D

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Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

Canon 6D was the first DSLR with built-in GPS.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Pentax has 12 :D"

Too bad the mythical D400 Scottelly wants cannot use any of them. ;-)

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Infrabasse
By Infrabasse (4 months ago)

So the Df review is out, where's that of the K-3 ?

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (4 months ago)

I think K-3 is far more complex camera than a Df.
DPR may be slow, but at least they are thorough. Despite giving an edge to Nikon because of the public demand, the Df is a much simpler camera that is made of old parts in a new look.

K-3 is the opposite: it has a familiar old look, but everything in it is new. The new grip, entirely new shutter mechanism, new mirror dampening, new pentaprism, new image processor, new imager, new connections, new AF, new metering, new kind of anti-aliasing, etc.

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sir_bazz
By sir_bazz (4 months ago)

Simon is already on the record as saying that the K-3 review is scheduled for early next year.

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EdBov
By EdBov (4 months ago)

Looking at the result of the poll, the review of the Pentax K-3 had to be there anyway before the review of the Df. But that's seems always the matter with Pentax: Nikon and Canon always get priority everywhere, in shops, in reviews, .....etc.
Hope there will be a moment in future that people in the photo business will take Pentax serious because of the quality..........

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beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

It's quite obvious that DPR will wait deep enough into next year until the major money-givers Nikanon had time to play catch up.

The DPR-reviews usually contain content worth 4-5 hrs work of an amateur author. If they *wanted* it out tomorrow, they could easily. It's all in the money, honey.

So much for the left over quality and competence.

Buy any tabloid and get better insights.

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

I will be the first to chastise DPR as biased towards Canikon (and now Sony), because time after time after time Pentax DSLR's wipe the APS-C floor. Easily. So I agree DPR has proven incompetent as "The digital photography industry's resource for news and reviews." But the latest review on the Df gives hope. Simon and staff, I have faith you can turn things around with the K-3 review.

That being said, you are completely off the mark with regard to "4-5 hours of work as an amateur author." As a reviewer and writer myself, I easily spend 40+ hours on any single review. I am working on one right now that surpassed that count long ago. And still not done. I estimate 50+ hours in these reviews of non-stop typing/photographing. And that would be on the low end.

I agree with you about DPR's storied history of being biased against Pentax, at times *looking* for cons. But you have no idea what you are talking about regarding the amount of time reviews take, especially how long DPR's are.

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Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

DPR's reviews are based on several weeks of real life use of the cameras, testing all the features and taking pictures under a range of conditions, as well as extensive studio testing, and analysis of all the resulting images. The actual writing is only a small part of the process.

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Alejandro del Pielago
By Alejandro del Pielago (4 months ago)

hey, ragmanjin, an explanation to your question is very simple:

This very interesting site ha$ a Nikon in the heart and the Nikon users are comfortable here, so it`s a sort of Nikon Club. And leaving aside this fact, nobody can deny that this gear is very very good. But popularity is just a perception...

And perceptions (with technical basis or not) help sells..., so it`s matter build it.

In a word: enjoy the site and don`t worry with the ads.

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (4 months ago)

I don't understand how the D7100 and D610 are getting so many votes. One's a slight spec bump over the previous model with no new tech or gains or even a prettier body, so by logic should be sitting at about the same level as the K-50 or A58 here. The other's identical to its predecessor in pretty much every way, announced early and for the sole reason of averting attention from the huge quality control problems of the one it's replacing, so by logic should be sitting at the same level as the T5i (which was released to divert attention from the T4i's rubber grip allergen issue). At lease the Df looks a little different, the SL1's one of the smallest DSLRs ever, the 70D and K-3 have completely revolutionary new technologies in them and the K-500 finally signals Pentax's return to having an actual lineup of DSLRs complete with non-weather-sealed entry-level models.

Anyways, just a thought.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

I'll take a stab at it:
The D7100 is a slight upgrade to the D7000, which is a immensely popular, and actually very, very good DSLR. And what was good about it was not some new tech, it was just a good "shooters" camera. Same with the D7100, just upgraded a few features - why mess with a great formula.
D610 - same sort of thing. D600 was very good, so why mess with a good formula.
I am not surprised that those two cameras are high on the list.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

The D5300 should be higher than either the D7100 or the D610. It has things that neither of those others have, and it is significantly cheaper. I think what is going on here is the fact that this is a popularity contest, and not really representative of what new cameras really are a big step forward, though the K-3 really is the most popular and it's a big step forward. In fact, if it had a fold-out screen and built-in GPS I would be planning to buy it. I am thinking about gettting back into the world of Nikon (have been for a while, since the D5200 was introduced), and this new D5300 is making it really attractive. I could also get a D610 down the road. I just wish the D5300 had weather seals. That and a bigger buffer are the only things missing, that I really would love to have. I like in-camera stabilization (a la Sony and Pentax), but that is not a deal-breaker, since most of the lenses I will own for a Nikon will be VR lenses anyway.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

Scottely - how is the K-3 a big step forward. Not trying to be rude, but I don't see it. Is it good - no doubt it is. But if your criteria is that a camera has to have new features, not seen before, I don't think the K-3 (or D7100) would be on your list. Both really good, which is why they are on this list, but more evolutionary than revolutionary.

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Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (4 months ago)

New features, not seen before? How about the AA filter simulator?
Yes, the K-3 is a big step forward. For Pentax, because it brings many new things and solves the "catching up" issues - a much more advanced AF system linked to the 86k segments RGB metering system (both working down to -3EV); separate motors for the mirror, shutter and aperture; remote wireless control from your smartphone (with an optional FluCard) etc.
And in general, because all these and the other advanced features would cost you only $1300. You even get a 23 frames buffer ;-)

Note that I'm not saying "revolutionary"; that, IMO, is no longer possible in the mature camera industry.

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (4 months ago)

First off, Brownie, I'm going to say that I do understand the D7000 as I own one. That's why I'm surprised to see the D7100 getting so many votes for such a modest spec bump.
The K-3 on the other hand IS a big step forward in that it's effectively settled the AA debate. You no longer need to choose whether to get the 800 or the 800E, for example, since the K-3 gives you both thanks to a brand-new technology Ricoh Pentax invented for this camera. Add to that the highest full-size frame rate per second of any APS-C DSLR ever (Not DSLT, .3 fps faster than 7D, D2H and D2Hs) and the best RGB metering system sensor of any APS-C DSLR ever, among other things, what you end up with is "a big step forward" not only for the Pentax brand but for camera tech in general.

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (4 months ago)

Got distracted halfway through writing and didn't notice Alex's reply slip in there before I hit "Post." Good points, Alex, I think between the two of us we pretty much covered it.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

Well, yes AA feature is new, and pretty good from what I have read. But Nikon has also removed the AA filter from the D7100, and moire usually is not an issue for most people, most of the time. Not trying to minimize what Pentax has done - it is good, and innovative, just saying that it is, for most people not a huge issue.
As for the other features, yes it brings Pentax, now, on the same level as some of the other top players. So it is a huge leap forward - for Pentax. But I would say, with the exception of the AA filter tricks, it is not a leap forward for dslr's in general. Good - yes, very - but not stomping ahead of the competition.
But, all that being said, yes it definately deserves to be on this list - I never said it did not. I was just replying specifically to Scottie who was claiming that the K-3 was a big step forward. It think it, along with the D7100, are really good, but not revolutionary. But revolutionary was not a criteria to be on this list.
D400 anyone?

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

Not revolutionary? Have you taken a good look at the APS-C segment lately? What APS-C camera -- better yet what CAMERA (PERIOD) -- offers the following?

Weather sealing?
Magnesium Alloy Body? (not the D7000/7100 'panel' nonsense)
24 mpx Resolution?
AA filter *OPTION* ?
Smallest pro-body size?
8.3 fps?
23 RAW buffer ?
Headphone monitoring jack?
Wireless tethering via Pentax FLU wifi card?
Dual SD slots?
Multi-segment AWB?
200,000 shutter duration?
Quietest shutter in the DSLR industry?
86,000 segment metering system?
AF down to -3 eV?
25 Crosstype AF point?
Weather sealed battery grip option?
UHS-1 Capability?
USB 3.0?
Guaranteed freeze-proof down to -10 Deg Cel?
In-Body Image Stabilization?

Oh, and while the K-3 is $1,200 for all the above, we'll expand your search to a limit of $3,000.

The D7100 is the *nearest* competitor to the K-3. That's pretty much the best compliment you can give the D7100 in relation to the camera industry.

Your D400 is here. Only it comes with a K mount.

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BarnET
By BarnET (4 months ago)

Damn that d400 argument must be painful.
I've heard so many nikonians whine for it.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

Wow sounds good Heie2. Where can I pick up some lenses to go with the outstanding body?

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (4 months ago)

A lot of user out there, who owns the D7100, or the D610, both slight upgrades from their predessesors, to become almost flawless, thus very popular!

The K-3, on the other hand, is like the A7, a technology breakthrough! Nothing like it, anywhere!

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

" The other's identical to its predecessor in pretty much every way, announced early and for the sole reason of averting attention from the huge quality control problems of the one it's replacing"

So what? It does not make the camera itself any worse. It is still a weather-sealed FF camera with exceptionally good sensor and very good controls, only now with decent 6 fps and without dirt-on-the-sensor problems. What is not to like?
I am not saying if you benefit from 8 fps and shoot tele often K-3 is not better for you (if its AF is good). But for landscapes D610 must be even better. Especially with the Nikon 14-24/2.8 - k-3 cannot shoot that wide or maintain that fast speed at UWA.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

This is getting long and tedious. Yes, the K3 is good, no one is denying that. But if you send out a photographer with a D7100 one day and a K3 the next, they will come back with the same images and with equal quality. So if you are looking at from an output point of view, is the K-3 really that much better than the D7100? Does anyone really walk around shooting in a rain storm? And most people I know have water proof gear bags if they get caught in the rain. I am just saying, the things that the K-3 are good at that really matter, the D7100 is also good at. And with the D7100, you have an upgrade path (and a sister FF body). K-3 - so far no.

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bossa
By bossa (4 months ago)

It's weird how people justify buying Nikon or Canon APS-C because there's a Full Frame option. This argument for deciding which APS-C camera is "best" is irrelevant. Pentax makes dedicated APS-C lenses (apart from the FA 31, FA 43, FA 77, DA*55, DA*200, DA*300 and DFA 100, and a few more, which are all FF lenses) which are, generally, smaller than FF lens options and which have smaller image circles. People don't cite "no FF option" when judging M43 format systems so why would you do it for APS-C? Do people expect their FF glass to be compatible with MF bodies? I doubt it.

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JeffAHayes
By JeffAHayes (3 months ago)

You're certainly right, Brownie... Having more features for a lower price DOES NOT necessarily make for a better camera. One could potentially create a "Rube Goldberg" camera, for instance, that has so many "bells and whistles" it looks like the old childhood game of "Mousetrap," but it wouldn't "DO" anything.

On the flip side, the new features added to the K-3 are all, in my opinion, those that help produce a better photo, or make it easier to produce a better (or more complex) photo -- such as following birds in flight -- which wasn't easy with a K-5.

As for D7100 votes, if you analyze the total number claiming to own one PLUS those who say they WANT one, then figure out how many had to vote for the D7100 for it to get its 15.4% share, well, what that tells ME is that at least SOME (like 60-odd CURRENT D7100 owners DIDN'T vote for it!). AT least that's the math I calculated.
Jeff

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22codfish
By 22codfish (4 months ago)

When Pentax updates the 645D at an competitive price with Full-Frame; Goodbye Canon and Nikon!

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GurcemZekai
By GurcemZekai (4 months ago)

Incase you dont know, 645D is a MEDIUM FORMAT which has 0.62x magnification compared to 1x FF

and 5k british pounds for medium format is great but wait 1 more year new 645D ii coming

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

Even of the price was the same or lower than the FF bodies, medium format has a long way to go in ergonomics and speed to compete with the likes of Nikon D4 or Canon 1dmrkIV. They are different creatures all together. So not goodbye Canon and Nikon.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

It will still be huge, and the lenses will still be incompatible with the smaller cameras. Pentax needs to make a full-frame body. I have NO IDEA why they would not have already done so. They make medium format! So they COULD make a full-frame camera. I just don't get it. Maybe they think people who want a bigger sensor will just pay exorbitant prices to step up the the medium format, but that is stupid. The medium format cameras are big and heavy. Pentax could make a $2,000 KF-3 with all the specs of the K-3, but with full frame sensor and viewfinder, and they would kick ass with it. I think they're being stupid. At least they finally introduced a 24 megapixel camera. Now only ONE player is left, who doesn't have a 24 megapixel camera (and it looks like maybe they just don't want to race in the megapixel race anymore - good for Canon!).

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Cynog ap Brychan
By Cynog ap Brychan (4 months ago)

I think it's because until Ricoh bought Pentax, it just didn't have the wherewithal to support FF as well as APS-C, MF and the Q-mount. That said, there really isn't a huge gap between FF quality and APS-C except, perhaps, in the minds of consumers (I'm not talking here about people who really need FF for the small advantages it does provide). Pentax has the best range of weather-sealed APS-C lenses of any manufacturer, and it's their stated intention to keep supporting this sector. FF will come, just not yet.

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utphoto
By utphoto (4 months ago)

Brownie has obviously never shot with a 645d. In terms of ergonomics, it is one of the best camera ever designed. Period. I've owned and shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLRs. Pentax ergonomics and the 645D in particular, are second to none. The 645D was designed as a field camera, not a wedding camera, not a studio camera (although many use it for those purposes) and as a field/landscape camera it is superb and still produces superior images over any currently available APSc or FF DSLR.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

Thanks for your wisdom utphoto. How does your 645D compare to say a Nikon D610? Is it easy and fun to carry all day - as a "field camera"? Are the controls as well laid out? And how is that autofocus speed - blazing right?
I never said that medium format did not have advantages in terms of image quality and dof issues. I was simply replying to the OP who said as soon as Pentax updates there 645D it is bye-bye Canon and Nikon. I disagree - I think they are beasts meant for different jobs and different customers.

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utphoto
By utphoto (4 months ago)

It's not a matter of 'easy and fun'. I've shot with the D600, essentially the same IQ as the 610, and the images simply don't compare to the 645D when they're printed very large. In terms of ergonomics, the 645D is simpler and more straight forward to use. The balance in the average person's hands is perfect. You can easily shoot handheld with it. The autofocus is quick as MF systems go. As a landscape camera it is superior to the 610 and it's not meant to be a jack of all trades type of camera. If you re-read my response to your post, you'll note that I specifically spoke of ergonomics. In that respect, the 645D is the equal of the 610 or virtually any other camera.

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brownie314
By brownie314 (4 months ago)

"and the images simply don't compare to the 645D when they're printed very large" - really? I will have to take your word for it, I have never shot the 645D. But there have been some online comparisons of the IQ between these two cameras and the conclusion usually is that they are comparable, with the D600 (or D610) having better high iso.
Maybe you are seeing some difference because of lenses?
" it's not meant to be a jack of all trades type of camera" - exactly, and that was my point when I was responding to the original poster who said it is "bye bye Canon and Nikon" when the 645D gets updated. My point was they are different kinds of tools for different purposes. I was not trying to argue that one or the other has better IQ.

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rolis10
By rolis10 (4 months ago)

The Pentax K3 is an Excellent camera with a amazing build quality. Lenses and skill are what i am going to concentrate on. This camera has all the tech i will need for a while.
All camera manufacturers are producing great cameras but what sold me on Pentax was my photography instructor. He mentioned to our class that we needed to be cautious with too much moisture. He was at the butterfly Pavilion in Denver and the steam was turned on and he had to leave for fear of ruining his camera. Did a Little research and hear i am. A Pentax customer probably for life as long as they keep producing awesome cameras.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

I have known two good photographers who use Pentax cameras, and they were always hard core concerned with weather seals. They both stressed the fact that the Pentax cameras are really sealed well. I think Pentax makes a lot of good weather sealed cameras, so they are a pro level company, but I am flabbergasted as to why they don't make a full-frame DSLR to compliment this excellent new K-3 of theirs. Maybe we'll finally see one this coming spring. I hope so. It would give me a lot of confidence in them. I would also like to see them introduce a mid-range DSLR with weather seals that has a fold-out screen. They are the only one of the big four (if we include them in the group at the top) that doesn't make a DSLR style camera with a fold-out screen.

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robbo d
By robbo d (4 months ago)

They dropped the ball at the beginning of the digital era, had a FF ready to go but never produced it due to expensive sensor.
Always relied on APS-C which are very good for stills and rugged build, but not the all round systems of Canikon. Presently playing catch up and looking ready to bounce back. All the signs are good, but video implementation and AF systems not quite up to Canon / Sony levels but improving...........

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

No, not expensive sensor. A TERRIBLE sensor that did not deliver.

You can see that as dropping the ball. I see that as integrity (D610, anyone?), and instead in that time they built the most comprehensive and professional APS-C system on earth. Meanwhile Canikon users have DX bodies with FX lenses.

And it's been well known for the past 3-4 years the K-5 provided IQ comparable to the 5DII. So for anyone that doesn't need telephoto above 300mm, please, please tell me where Pentax's holes are. Plenty of weather sealed options, both pro and consumer level, the best prime line-up, EVERY lens has been stabilized for the past 8+ years, including manual lenses that are probably older than you. So please, aside from this asinine notion that there HAS to be an upgrade path to an entirely new system (bigger, more expensive) before you even buy a damn camera, where are these holes?

And for those of us that shoot in extremely austere environments, I applaud Pentax for no hinge screens. APPLAUD

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rsenk19
By rsenk19 (4 months ago)

Well said.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

The APS-C Nikon D5300 and D7100 compared to Full Frame Nikon DF and D610 but Sony is represented by the A58 and not from the A7R or A7. Who was choosing what camera goes in what category ?

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beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

Would you in all your wisdom consider the A7R either DSLR or SLT for this "Best DSLR / SLT of 2013" competition?

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

Not less SLT or DSLR than A58, you GURU of photography !!

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

would you in all your wisdom consider reading in the other article where your camera belongs?

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beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

It doesnt even need a Guru. It just needs literacy:
http://store.sony.com/sony-alpha-58-camera-and-18-55mm-lens-zid27-SLTA58K/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-DSLR-Cameras
Surprisingly that foolish company called Sony do call their own product "SLT". Maybe you do explain to them that stupid error they made.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

Why don't you explain to them, that it is NOT "Camera Type : Interchangeable Lens Digital SLR camera"
You great "litterateur "

Look at : spesifications/cameratype
http://store.sony.com/a7-alpha-7-interchangeable-lens-camera-zid27-ILCE7/B/cat-27-catid-Alpha-NEX-Cameras

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

That foolish company call their own product: Interchangeable Lens Digital SLR camera

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

Sony doesn't claim that it's a DSLR camera at all. Right on that page it states, "World's lightest interchangeable lens full-frame camera" and "Sony's Exmor® image sensor takes full advantage of the Full-frame format, but in a camera body less than half the size and weight of a full-frame DSLR."

See. They are not claiming that it's a DSLR at all. It is a new thing, similar to the mirrorless NEX 7, as I'm sure you're quite aware. The article here does not address it, because it is something so different that they didn't want to let it compete. I'm not sure why they allowed the SLT cameras to compete, except that maybe they are anti-Sony here, and they might be showing that as a fact, since the only SLT that has been introduced this year is the A58, which is one of the very cheapest cameras on the list (ties for cheapest). I'm actually surprised to see the Sony get as many votes as it has. It's not much of a camera, but I guess for the price it's pretty good, but I'd WAY prefer the A65.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

Scottelly, i know that dude, i just didn't like the way that rat face replied at my first comment, where the point wasn't the sony but the APS-C to Full Frame Comparison !!!
Thanks for getting in trouble !!!!

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Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

They have one category for mirrorless ILCs, and one for cameras with a mirror diverting light to a dedicated AF sensor, i.e. DSLRs/SLTs. The categories are based on technology, not on sensor size.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

Why should they? When it's the sensor size together with the lens that makes the deference

P.S Please note that Leica X Vario is absent from the milc list?

Casualness? Nah!!!

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 months ago)

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

P.S:
MILC = Mirrorless INTERCHANGABLE Lens Camera
The Leica X Vario has a fixed lens

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

Well, that's more of a fact than my opinion, man.

P.S 1
UYAR= UNFORTUNATELY you are right !!
P.S 2
BUT is NOT included in "Best Fixed-lens Compact Camera of 2013" Where it SHOULD be

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RoelHendrickx
By RoelHendrickx (4 months ago)

How can you seriously expect the readers to vote for "best" of several cameras.
Any reader probably bought only one of these in 2013 - if he bought ANY camera in the first place...
So everyone is just going to vote for the one they bought (or wished they could have bought), without on-hands knowledge of the others.
Such a poll does not search for "best" but for "most popular in sales/wishlists".

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beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

Given that Nikanons are both about 10-20x the size in users and forum users than Pentax the "most popular in sales/wishlists" is even more impressive.
A very good result for the K-3 would already have been 1/10 of the highest ranking mainstream competitor cameras.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

What does best mean to you? It's people's opinion that they are looking for. Of course they don't expect everyone who votes (or even just a few of the people who vote) to have experience using all or even most of the cameras in the list. What they ARE looking for is what people think of the cameras, based on their research. Part of the idea is to generate traffic in the site, since many people would not even look at most of the other cameras, if they are a Nikon user or a Canon user. I'd say this article will REALLY help Pentax.

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robbo d
By robbo d (4 months ago)

Pentax users are a fiercely loyal breed that historically punch well above their weight in polls and forums.......the fact that they have three in the list is excellent, but the results are just normal as Canikon users don't feel the need to defend their brand so much.
There is nothing new to see here.........but is a good result.

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Nectar D Or
By Nectar D Or (4 months ago)

Pentax can enjoy their 15 minutes of fame...

Because the K3 (a fine camera, by the way) is going to be all forgotten about once the 7d mk II is introduced.

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Hellraiser
By Hellraiser (4 months ago)

And then again pentax will upgrade the k3... and the race will go on...

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

the cam you are saying and the k-3,each belong to different worlds,a full frame and an aps-c,right? so u can not compare them..the k-3 will be the under dog....sure the cam u favored will improve on their video capabilities,again,and shun on the image quality factor which they cannot even improve and for a hefty price....canon will try to level up their video capabilities to the standards of the panasonic,,the GH-3, specifically,which is way ahead in any video cameras out there..canon is going forward to some other features because they are behind in image quality of their cameras...cameras are for photography,not for videos....videos are only icing on the cake .

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (4 months ago)

The Canon 7D is a APS-C camera. The Mark II (if it even comes) will also be a APS-C camera. And when it comes it will probable have the same outdated sensor as all the other Canon APS-C camera's. A sensor so old that the smaller 4/3 sensors are better. Even the one in the E-M5 which is almost 2 years old now.

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

sorry . i thought mkII are for full frames. so ,we can go m43,then. many are saying that these are the cameras of the future..i will wait for a gh-3 upgrade

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

'' MKII's'............

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

Ummmm . . . no. The Canon 7 D Mk II will only have a 20 megapixel sensor. Many people won't even consider it, because of this. They will think, "Ho hum . . . Canon is just dragging their feet again. Sure, it'll have the new live-view and video focusing from the 70 D, but that won't amount to much, unless Canon introduces something special, like a REALLY fast camera. They could, if they're only going to make it 20 megapixels. Afterall, they have had years to increase the speed of the electronics. It could shoot at 12 frames per second, with a 30 frame raw buffer, blowing away the Nikon D7100. It could have even more wi-fi functionality than the 70 D. It could have a built-in GPS. THAT would get my attention . . . even if it DOES only have a 20 Mp sensor. (The 70 D produces really noise-free images at ISO 100, which is something I really like about that overpriced camera.)

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

Actually, for the money the Sony A77 it the king of the hill right now. It's the only weather sealed camera with a fold-out screen. It's the only 24 megapixel camera that can shoot at more than 10 fps. It is well under $1,000. It has built-in GPS. It is part of a system that looks to be going away right now, but Sony can salvage that image, if they introduce a new A97 full-frame SLT and a new A59 and A79. People believe that the A7 and A7r have shown the future of ALL Sony cameras, and they believe that the SLT cameras are going to be orphans. Hopefully they are not. If they aren't, the A77 is a stellar deal right now. For most people the A65 and A77 are very good deals, since they won't be buying more than a kit and maybe one or two cheap extra lenses anyway. You can actually get an A77 kit with an 18-135mm lens and a vertical battery grip for about $200 less than a Pentax body alone right now . . . and it shoots faster, does 1080p60, has a built-in GPS, and has a fold-out screen.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (4 months ago)

The Pentax kit with 18-135mm lens is more than $500 extra, and it doesn't even include the battery grip. For value, Sony is King. The Pentax DOES have two memory card slots and I'm sure it has a slight advantage in image quality. The Pentax also has USB 3 and interval timer shooting, features I wish the A77 had. The A79 could have such features, as well as a 3.2 inch touch screen and wi-fi. Sony might even be able to give it a flip-up SLT mirror too, so the lack of an anti-aliasing filter (if they do that) could really mean something. I'd also like to see a bigger buffer (at least twice what the A77 has) and dual UHS104 memory card slots too. The buffer for shooting raw in the Pentax is apparently 23 shots! Nice job Pentax! (Sony A77 is only 15 shots, though you can shoot those photos at about 50% faster speed, so you will fill the buffer even faster, compared to the Pentax.)

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utphoto
By utphoto (4 months ago)

The 7d mkII will be all but forgotten unless Canon releases a new sensor that is finally competitive with SONY in terms of reduced read out noise. I gave up on my 5D2 for that very reason, went with a K5 and have never looked back.

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ecube
By ecube (4 months ago)

Asking the readers to vote for the best camera is absurd! I assume DPReview expects readers to evaluate the cameras from reading your published specification, reviews, and your reviewers personal opinion. I think a MEANINGFUL survey / question is: "Which ONE DSLR body would you pick if you won a contest ..." I limit the question to the body since lenses are application specific.

My current DSLR are Nikon D5100 and D800. Have had D90 and D600. I have held the D7200, D5300 and D610 and if given the choice for a free NIKON DSLR, I would pick the D5300 over the D800, D610, and D7200. While the least expensive of the and certainly not the best of the four, the D5300 has everything I want and need. Moreover, I will not vote Nikon D800, D4, D610, D7200 nor D5300 as the best DSLR simply because I have not tried and therefore clueless of the other brands.

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beholder3
By beholder3 (4 months ago)

Pretty much every single forum post transfers messages of "item xyz is best", only users try to make it look like the ultimate truth by using more words. Voting is just shortcutting all the blabla of reviews and posts and asking for the result generated in people's minds.
Even if you have tried and used a camera for 10 years all you do is post a personal opinion that is not necessarily better than anyone else's.
No truth, only opinion.

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (4 months ago)

The best ones are not in the list which is typical of loaded market research! They want to declare a winner out of THEIR selection, which is crazily censored.Since the new Sony A7 and A7R should OBVIOUSLY be in the list and are not, what reasons can Dpreview give for this please? That it has no mirror? when such devices are now obsolete.

As a user I would definitely go for the Nikon 7100 as it has really good image quality if not pushed beyond 400ISO and set up to overexpose by a third of a stop. The difference having no AA filter makes is truly the first reason I have for now saying you can forget film. It has excellent dynamic range, it has crunch.

In fact all digital cameras should not ever have had AA filters at all on this showing , and had I known I would have waited to go digital a decade or so, since enfin, the little grey cells have decided to stop cheating us of half our pictures all of the time. So 7100 it is.

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Lab D
By Lab D (4 months ago)

" what reasons can Dpreview give for this please? That it has no mirror?"
....and is included in the Best MIRORLESS of 2013 article
Look a little harder next time.

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

if this were an exam ,these people will fail for not following instructions.....

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OBI656
By OBI656 (4 months ago)

Canon Sucks. I am selling the whole system worth 25's. I have enough.

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (4 months ago)

You gotta give credit where credit's due, though, and that new dual-pixel AF is a home run.
That said, my vote went to the K-3. Sensor-shake AA's like a...grand slam? I really don't know anything about baseball, is there something better than a home run?

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dyoon153
By dyoon153 (4 months ago)

Hmm.. A cycling hit (single, double, triple, and home-run in one game) maybe?
K-3 indeed deserves the lead. Others have their own merits but in terms of value, there's no better choice here.

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aiki76
By aiki76 (4 months ago)

Pentax K-3 win the game for me for the innovative selectable AA filter technology, the compact and weather resistant design and the great image quality

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Cameracist
By Cameracist (4 months ago)

Pentax K-3 - the only DSLR that brings some new tech. AA simulator, low light AF, small but pro body...

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (4 months ago)

Can we have a poll for the most popular unreleased cameras? We could choose between a full frame pentax (K-1), olympus E-7 or some competitive mirrorless options from Canon and Nikon.

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

please include the nikon K-3 or the pentax-D-400......no no, no...... i mean the NIKON D-400 because NIKON is deaf to hear the outcry of these people who have long waited for an upgrade to the old one....

what make pentax leads the pack on this page is because of the NIKON GUYS who have switched to PENTAX OR would want to own one or have one...Pentax heard the nikon guys,thus, the K-3. Nikon followed their guts on an obscure market,thus,the Df.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (4 months ago)

I'd approve of such a poll. Edit: No, wait, I'd have to vote for ALL of them. :p

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Can we have a poll for the most popular unreleased cameras?"

Open one in Open Talk, what stops you? ;-)

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (4 months ago)

good point...

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luigi57
By luigi57 (4 months ago)

Macchina favolosa una delle migliore APSC in mio possesso, grande PENTAX
ù

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Sensible1
By Sensible1 (4 months ago)

Best DLSR (albeit sans mirror) is the Sony A7R. Mirror belong to yesteryear.

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

...then post your comments in the mirrorless interchangeable article...not on this page....

the articles are clear and they are organized,sensible!

you belong to years ahead....!!!

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Plastek
By Plastek (4 months ago)

Years behind rather. Mirrorless sales are dropping fast, they are not a future. Rather tempolary hype.

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Boky
By Boky (4 months ago)

I'm still waiting to see a person with K-3 walking around (Sydney) taking photos....Good camera, but.... no one's using it..???

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Pntxdan
By Pntxdan (4 months ago)

be the first, be a leader not a follower, get one and show others!

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driftnomore
By driftnomore (4 months ago)

guys who bought pentax cams are out in action in the outbacks,deserts,out birding,do landscaping and not in the streets of sydney.
...only nikon and canon newbies go to where people are to show their cameras...

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (4 months ago)

I don´t follow what others do, just what I need, and my Pentax (K-5II) satisfies me today and left me with enough money to add nice lenses.

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (4 months ago)

I'm surprised to be in the biggest group (K-3) but really it's small, weatherproof, has IBIS, and in other respects it's basically the long-awaited D400 (if only it had an F-mount).

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Horshack
By Horshack (4 months ago)

I voted for the K-3, but it winning this poll is like Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger winning by being put in the football game for a single down. It's more of a metaphorical victory.

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Arch C
By Arch C (4 months ago)

I was wondering why is the DF or the d610 included as they are a different level of cameras compared to the others on the list...starting with the fact that they are using a full frame sensor which puts them above the others.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

A camera is more than its sensor. A camera is more than its sensor. A camera is more than its sensor.
Repeat 100 times.

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