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Samyang says five of its full frame lenses now available in Sony E mount

By dpreview staff on Dec 17, 2013 at 10:50 GMT

Samyang has announced that, as promised in October, five of its full frame lenses are now available in Sony E-mount, and are therefore the first third-party optics with native mounts for the Sony A7 and A7R. The lenses are the 14mm F2.8, 24mm F1.4, 24mm F3.5 tilt-and-shift, 35mm F1.4, and 85mm F1.4. All feature manual focus and aperture operation, and will likely appear under Rokinon, Bower and Pro Optic branding in due course.

The E-mount models are essentially the same as the company's generally well-respected SLR lenses, but with a ca. 26mm long empty tube added at the back to compensate for the difference in flange distance from the lens mount to the sensor. (The E-mount has a flange distance of 18mm, compared to ~44-46mm for SLR systems.) This means that the E-mount lenses are considerably more bulky than their SLR counterparts, and heavier too. If you use both an SLR system and E-mount cameras, it almost certainly makes more sense to buy the lenses in the appropriate mount for your SLR (or SLT), and use a high quality E-mount adapter.  

If, however, you're only going to be using the lenses on an E-mount camera, then in principle the native E-mount lenses should give better alignment between the optical units and the sensors - even the very best adapters won't hold lenses absolutely perfectly straight. And if any camera's going to show up small misalignments, it's the A7R. In this case it would make sense to buy the E-mount versions (at least if you're confident you won't want to use the lenses on another camera system in the future).  

From Samyang's website:

Samyang Full-Frame Lenses with Sony E mount

Samyang has introduced lenses with Sony E-mount to increase its selection of 35mm full-frame lenses compatible with the newest Sony Alpha 7 and 7R cameras.

Following the announcement issued on October, Samyang released five full-frame lenses fitted with the bayonet Sony E-mount, including:

  • Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ED AS IF UMC
  • Samyang 24mm f/1.4 ED AS IF UMC
  • Samyang T-S 24mm f/3.5 ED AS UMC
  • Samyang 35mm f/1.4 AS UMC
  • Samyang 85mm f/1.4 AS IF UMC

Wider selection of lenses currently available with this mount will enable users of Sony Alpha and Sony NEX cameras to take advantage of the best quality optics without any additional adapters. The lenses have been prepared for 35mm format, which makes them a perfect tool not only for Sony Alpha 7 and 7R cameras fitted with full-frame sensor but also for models with APS-C sensor, including Sony NEX-7.

Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ED AS IF UMC (E-mount version)  Samyang 85mm f/1.4 AS IF UMC (E-mount version) 
Samyang T-S 24mm f/3.5 ED AS UMC (E-mount version) 
Source: Samyang Europe
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Total comments: 78
alphasm
By alphasm (1 month ago)

which one is better result of picture samyang and sigma ?? ...

0 upvotes
Higuel
By Higuel (4 months ago)

well, it certainly it's good to have an alternative! But the TWO MAIN REASONS to go mirrorless are less size&weight AND MORE OPTICAL QUALITY, obviously, all them fail miserably in those two parameters!!!

2 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (4 months ago)

Well, if you're looking for the best IQ, built-in adapter is better than detachable one. Roger Cicala has tested the effect of adapters, and the results weren't so good.

0 upvotes
bcalkins
By bcalkins (4 months ago)

He does quality his findings with "Like a lot of tests, you can detect a very real difference in the lab that doesn’t make much difference at all in the real world." Generally I'd prefer one adapter that means my lenses could be used on both mounts, than adding bulk to every lens - but can't complain about having too much choice in this case :)

0 upvotes
svx94
By svx94 (4 months ago)

It looks like they are the Canon/Nikon with an adapter, and you can't take it out.

3 upvotes
santeKIM
By santeKIM (4 months ago)

Exactly! It looks like their present lenses with an adapter!!

Comment edited 11 seconds after posting
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Jogger
By Jogger (4 months ago)

I wonder why Samyang doesnt come out with a line of converters; seems like it would be a natural fit for them. They could even make lenses in a Samyang mount with adapters for the popular mirrorless mounts. They would save a ton on production, testing, etc.

2 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (4 months ago)

there is no such thing as "a Samyang mount".

0 upvotes
3dreal
By 3dreal (4 months ago)

Better would have been Novoflex-universal mount.

1 upvote
mike kobal
By mike kobal (4 months ago)

going to stick with Samyang lenses in Nikon mount using an adapter, that way I can use them on any camera I want, Sony, Canon, Fuji, M43...

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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mr.izo
By mr.izo (4 months ago)

looks like flange distance on lensess for mirror based camera is a bit "converter like" problem on non-mirror camera.. so you end up with same kit sizes on the end, hehe..
but samyang tc - new ff sony combo should be nice for panorama, architecture etc (tripod work)..

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Bill T.
By Bill T. (4 months ago)

I like a single adapter attached to the camera. Specifically, I like the moved-forward tripod mount on the Metabones adapter, makes me feel like I'm not twisting the heck out of the little A7 bodies, which these highly overhanging Samyang lenses look like they would do. And the balance is better with a forward tripod mount.

But those Samyangs are some nice lenses, oh yeah. Sony had better get it's optical fanny in gear right quick.

1 upvote
ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (4 months ago)

> Samyang T-S 24mm f/3.5 ED AS UMC

As far as I have understood, m43 users already given up on getting a WA TS lens... And Sony system has just got one.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

A soft one. But at just $900, it's considerably cheaper than a state of the art TS lens.

0 upvotes
Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (4 months ago)

24mm on APS-C is not too useful for most architectural photography and arguably even less useful on m43

2 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

It's a FF lens and there are FF E mount cameras.

5 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (4 months ago)

AFAIK, the effect of tilt is more pronounced on larger sensors. Maybe that's the reason nobody makes that kind of lens for m43 system.

0 upvotes
jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

Why not just make a high quality Samyang extender with all the pass-through electronics (if there are any) so that the user doesn't have to carry around an extender with each lens?
I know there is data that shows extenders/adapters can cause problems, but there's no reason a high quality extender can't be made that mitigates or minimizes these problems. After all people are putting speed boosters and tele-extenders between their lenses and bodies all the time . . .

1 upvote
Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

Because they didn't want to do it that way.Deal with it. If they did, someone would be whining about why they didn't make it one piece so you didn't have to carry around an extender to get lost.

0 upvotes
ageha
By ageha (4 months ago)

They don't contain any electronics to pass through.

1 upvote
jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

I just don't get the logic I guess . . .

0 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (4 months ago)

Because there already are adapters if that's what you want, this is for people who don't want adapters. I'll be going the adapted route, but if you look at the E-Mount forums many would prefer to have native mount without adapters.

2 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

This thread is like a bunch of whining toddlers that haven't been feed breakfast yet. My God people, look at yourselves! It's embarrassing. I truly think this entire website exists to give old people an outlet to complain about everything, because that's what they do best.

17 upvotes
jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

First you say we are toddlers , then you say we are old. Which category of whiner do you fall into since you are whining about whining posts?

20 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (4 months ago)

Reading comprehension... also, you can be old and act like a toddler.

0 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

jHinkey, it's the same behavior. Must be a circle of life type thing.

3 upvotes
pixelpushing
By pixelpushing (4 months ago)

At least the people 'whining' are on topic. You're whining about whiners, which is the hands-down biggest waste of internet, ever.

5 upvotes
facedodge
By facedodge (4 months ago)

looks like they are the same lens, but with a built in extender.

1 upvote
Scott Greiff
By Scott Greiff (4 months ago)

Why the heck not? It's better than waiting for them to redesign the entire optical path just to suit two new cameras that just hit the market.

4 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (4 months ago)

Yep. Keeps costs down.

2 upvotes
pixelpushing
By pixelpushing (4 months ago)

I'll wait for IBIS and native A support, thanks.

1 upvote
facedodge
By facedodge (4 months ago)

@Scott

It wasn't a criticism. However, someone like me who owns the Canon version of some of these lenses now knows there is no reason to buy these if I already have the mount converter.

0 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (4 months ago)

@ pixelpushing - These already come in A-Mount, have for ages. Pointless comment.

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jase
By jase (4 months ago)

It seems such a shame that Sony didn't put a full size mount on this camera.

2 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

Give me the definition of a "full size mount".
Because I'm not following you here.

14 upvotes
Wally626
By Wally626 (4 months ago)

The original Sony idea was to make as small an APS-C camera as possible. I do not know if they kept the mount diameter just large enough for full frame on purpose or not. Fuji went even smaller on their X-mount, which may eliminate the possibility of Fuji going FF with the X-mount. Canon with the M series did keep the mount the same diameter, so if they go full frame they will have a better platform to start from.

Sony of course can, and mostly likely will, use this sensor in the A-mount next year, which is a full size mount.

0 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

To add some perspective, the Leica M mount diameter is smaller (44 vs 46.1 mm).

7 upvotes
Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (4 months ago)

36mp Nikon D800E vs 36mp Sony A7r :
http://camerasize.com/compare/#291,488

The Nikon mount does not look any larger than the E mount.

0 upvotes
MikeF4Black
By MikeF4Black (4 months ago)

The old F mount is 42mm IIRC.

Comment edited 16 seconds after posting
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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (4 months ago)

What is SONY? A car maker? Thanks God they don't make aircrafts!

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Allochka Emiliana
By Allochka Emiliana (4 months ago)

@Jerome A7r only outresolved the best Nikon sensor of D800E and Canon 5D Mk II http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/12/sony-a7r-a-rising-tide-lifts-all-the-boats

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jase
By jase (4 months ago)

@Allochka you mean the A7R can outresolve the D800E, a camera that has the same sensor? Wow!

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Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (4 months ago)

The sensor pixel structure is the same, but it's possible the toppings are different (microlenses, color filters, IR filter, how no AA filter is implemented, etc.) The post sensor electronics are different and yes, this impacts raw. It also could simply be an artifact of the testing chain where dcraw is converting the Sony files with higher contrast.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

"A7r only outresolved the best Nikon sensor of D800E and Canon 5D Mk II "

Great news. For pixel peepers. For the 99% of people who are buying the camera and only posting the photos to the web, not a real big deal.

1 upvote
Hugo600si
By Hugo600si (4 months ago)

They are a sensor maker, some sensors even make it into their own (Minolta)cameras... after a while that is. As their sensors have had a major impact in the camera market I wonder what their aircraft would do.

1 upvote
socode
By socode (4 months ago)

I think it's quite a big deal, since it's cheaper and lighter than either the 5DIII or D800E but with no trade-off in IQ.

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new boyz
By new boyz (4 months ago)

"@jase -you mean the A7R can outresolve the D800E, a camera that has the same sensor? Wow!"

Because he uses different lenses for the test. The Sony-Zeiss lens could be the reason for the great resolution. Yes, it's that good(resolution wise,wide open). They even retested the pair, just to make sure the aperture wasn't accidentally stopped down. It wasn't.

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Wally626
By Wally626 (4 months ago)

Not the first third party E-mount FF lenses, the Zeiss CP series is also full frame and comes in E-mount. The Samyang's are the first non-cinema lenses.

1 upvote
abortabort
By abortabort (4 months ago)

The Samyang 'cine' versions have also been in E-Mount for ages.

0 upvotes
sixby06
By sixby06 (4 months ago)

I hardly expected Samyang to turn around brand new optical designs. This series of lenses took some years to develop and produce, and seem to be something of a success for them. They presumably decided to modify the lenses to capitalise on the market that Sony will (based on historical evidence) fail to provide for, and negate the problems caused by adapters, without going "deep" enough as to do a complete redesign. It's common business sense, really.

Sadly it means these lenses won't balance very well on the A7/R, but Sony aren't in the business of making well thought-out complete mirrorless systems, so the options are a) use adapted Leica and suffer the blurry corners, b) use Samyang and suffer the extra bulk, or c) hope and pray someone eventually makes something that fits your needs.

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Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

Seriously, I can't stand it when people whine about balance. You have two hands, use them.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 months ago)

or d) take a pick from all the manual SLR lenses out there, especially from abandoned mounts. There's some greath old glass out there for Leica R, Contax/Yashica, Minolta SR, Canon FD, etc.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (4 months ago)

This serves mostly to give Samyang the "first" title and to quiet folks yelling about lack of native FE (FF E-mount) lenses. I wouldn't expect many to be sold in this mount, although I can see a certain rental shop stocking them for the A7R. ;-)

Actually, if Samyang were really smart about this, they'd make their lenses with something universal at the back -- even an M42 mount would sell pretty well. A universal mount is easy to do for fully manual lenses, and even an M42 would not only easily adapt to every mount but Nikon F, but would also easily go on a focal reducer for an APS-C NEX.

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Miwok
By Miwok (4 months ago)

??? Again, APS-C NEX are E-mount, FF or not, it's the same mount. no need of M42 for them.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (4 months ago)

You didn't read what I wrote. A native FE can only be used directly on E/FE, whereas M42 can be used on many DSLRs as well as NEX, and can be used with a focal reducer on E-mount NEX (which a native FE can't) to give an extra stop and approximate the FF view angle.

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

The small throat of the FE mount also forces the lenses to be big, so it's not like it would make any difference if these were "native" designs.
Sony itself also stated they are not "interested" in doing fast FE lenses, maybe because they would be silly monstrosities? Of course they won't admit FE is a technical nightmare, so let's just say they are "not interested"...
This FE mount is a bad joke really and I hope this silly FF fad dies with it too...

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Everlast66
By Everlast66 (4 months ago)

... and what did your doctor say?

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

How original...
Sorry to be of such nuisance.
I shall go back to my cave... with my meds.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (4 months ago)

FF fad ? Well be happy with sub frame crop sensors and let people who appreciate the quality of FF be happy with their purchase.

I want to move to FF but I don't like what Sony has currently on offer. Hoping for some new launch early next year so I can move.

5 upvotes
mgrum
By mgrum (4 months ago)

You mean the "silly FF fad" that's been going on for 80 years, for which more specifically designed lenses are available than for any other format? Can't see that one dying any time soon...

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

The throat of the Leica M mount is smaller. How large are those lenses again?

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

The M mount throat is smaller indeed hence the problems with wide angle performance on digital sensors.
The original four thirds mount had a huge throat for this very reason.
And have you seen the size of the 50mm 1.8? How big would a 1.4 be?
Meant to say FF mirrorless fad, because I think it creates more problems than it solves... And I wish other manufacturers like Fuji would not follow suit...

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

But it's nice to finally have a small FF digital camera... Just not sure a short flange on FF is a good idea at all...

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

First, the Zeiss is 55mm, not 50 and while it's 17mm longer than the Nikon 50mm f/1.8, accounting for the difference in flange distance between the E and F mount, which is 28.5mm, the light path from sensor to tip of the lens is still over 11mm shorter with the Sony Zeiss. Its diameter is also quite a bit smaller, all in all not a large lens by any stretch. And as the example above shows, the shorter flange distance adds choice (of lens design and lenses used), it doesn't make the overall package larger. Au contraire.
http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/carl_zeiss_sonnar_t_fe_55mm_f1_8_za/carl_zeiss_sonnar_t_fe_55mm_f1_8_za_13.jpg

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

And as a post scriptum, size in general has a lot to do with the compromises made regarding the optical qualities. Just look at recent releases such as the 58mm Nikon or 55mm Otus, which are both much larger than other 50's of comparable brightness.

And judging from the SLRGear review of the Sony Zeiss 55mm FE, they didn't skimp much here.

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

Thanks for the numbers and link there.
I guess the point I was trying to make with the original post is that the restrictions of the FE mount are such that a "native" design just does not make sense. Where as a short flange on APSC provides manufacturers with some incentive to design interesting native lenses, the same is not true with FE, and I am guessing we will not see any native designs from any third party with the exception of perhaps Zeiss.

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

Hence why I called it a fad. It's cool, but what problems does it solve? It actually brings new issues to the table. Sure it enables one to adapt lenses from other systems, but such ability should be a bi-product of a good design, and not it's main appeal as a system.
The problem Leica had on the transition to digital was a very well known one and Sony just basically half-addressed it with the micro lenses. Leica did the same too, but it's not like they had a choice...
If you were to imagine a MF mirrorless system with the same short flange distance perhaps it would make it easier to picture the problems at hand.

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

And just finishing it off. Sony is not a very timid company... They sure like a splash. But I think their initial FE line-up did not match the hype surrounding the cameras, and perhaps for good reason.
What do those zooms bring to the table? Why are they any better than what we had with the Alpha mount? Isn't this a duplication of a production line, with not much good reason? A couple of very expensive primes? A 35mm 2.8 for $800, and a 55mm 1.8 for $1000 bucks? Hmm. How much does a Canon 50 1.8 costs? Just checked. $110 on BH, free shipping. Plus wide angles are cleverly nowhere to be seen, I wonder why.
Couple that with Sony's announcement that they do not intend to do fast lenses, then I am not really sure what is so interesting about it as a system, either today or in the future, besides being a platform to adapt foreign lenses...

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

As the example I posted above shows, even combining bodies and lenses, for example the A7R plus 55mm, it's still shorter than a Nikon FF plus any 50mm. Not to mention width, height and more importantly, volume as a whole which is much smaller and weight being much less too. Yet the output rivals a D800E plus any 50mm out there. And let's not even mention the Canon 50mm f/1.8 II, as it's nowhere near the quality in optical or build terms. What's the point of downsizing a high resolution FF system when you're going to throw tiny lenses with dodgy optical and build qualities into the mix? That would be a fad and hard to sell at that.

Both primes get raving reviews from reputable sources, the relatively cheap kitzoom is considered good for the price (<$300) and offers a nice walkaround range. The rest hasn't been subjected to much tests yet.

It's not a system for everyone. Not for speed demons, not for those who need 20 different native lenses. But there's clearly a quality market left.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (4 months ago)

And as for your comment about Sony not bringing out fast lenses, "fast" is very relative. Many would consider *sharp* f/1.8 apertures at 55mm on FF plenty fast, others might not. In the interview at Imaging Resource (13 days ago), they specifically stated that there will be a longer f/2.8 zoomlens (or lenses, that part isn't clear from the shaky English).

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abortabort
By abortabort (4 months ago)

Sony design team behind the A7/R said they were developing faster lenses.

As for the size, maybe consider this before shouting,your mouth off about what IS and ISN'T possible due to design:

ALL the recent Zeiss lenses and ALL the Sony Zeiss lenses have been absolutely HUGE compared to their respective counterparts, try having a look at these lenses and see how they sit compared to other lenses:

Zeiss Otus
Zeiss Touits
Sony Zeiss 24mm E f1.8
Sony Zeiss 24mm f2
Sony Zeiss 50mm f1.4
Sony Zeiss 85mm f1.4
Sony Zeiss 135mm f1.8
Sony Zeiss 16-35mm f2.8
Sony Zeiss 24-70mm f2.8

All of these lenses are big, rather big even compared to similar lenses for the same or similar systems. This tells me there is a trend amongst Zeiss lenses that they don't tend to care much about size. Looking at the ones for E-Mount crop, they were also huge.

This does not mean that smaller lenses can't be designed for this system. Otherwise we could jump to the same conclusions that all 50mm f1.4's for DSLRs need to be as big as the Otus, what a shocker, they don't.

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Rumle
By Rumle (4 months ago)

I don't see the obvious point in this, they just added a build in adapter, which makes them kind of huge compared to Sonys lenses. Of cause there are not many lenses for that system yet, but.
I'm guessing that there are two groups of people who represent the majority of the A7/A7r owners, one is people who just want the best mirror-less they can get. The other group are people who already own a camera system, most likely DSLR.
The first group are unlikely to buy anything without auto focus, they also want small lenses.
The other group would by the Samyang for the DSLR system they already own and use it with A7r on adapter.

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mgrum
By mgrum (4 months ago)

The obvious point is that it costs relatively little to stick a tube on the back of your lens without changing the optical cell in any way, and they will sell more than zero of these - even if the market is small, as you suggest.

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Rumle
By Rumle (4 months ago)

ha ha, "your more than zero" comment is fun, but of cause you are right :)

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Hugo600si
By Hugo600si (4 months ago)

trouble with adapters is that they are introducing extra play and issues with flat fields due to that (the guy from Lens Rentals isn't too happy with them).

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Old Baldy
By Old Baldy (4 months ago)

I've just purchased the Rokinon 35mm f/1.4 in Sony Alpha mount, together with a Metabones SpeedBooster focal length reducer for the Alpha-Nex interface, which converts the 35mm f/1.4 into a 25mm f/1.0 lens for the NEX-7 APS-C, resulting in a FF equivalence 37mm FOV with similar DOF as this lens on a FF Alpha.
This, together with a Sony LA-EA1/2 adapter allows 2 distinct and useful focal lengths from 1 lens. Works VERY well, IMO.

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Hentaiboy
By Hentaiboy (4 months ago)

Here's where the whole "World's smallest full frame interchangeable lens camera" schtick falls flat. Compare the size of the 35 1.4 with the equivalent Fuji lens:

http://media.engadget.com/img/products/490/aipt/aipt-800.jpg

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Old Baldy
By Old Baldy (4 months ago)

The Roki 35mm is a huge lens, true. But what are you comparing here.....since when is the Fuji a FF?

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