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Lomography offers pre-order package for Petzval 85mm F2.2 SLR lens

By dpreview staff on Dec 13, 2013 at 12:23 GMT

Lomography has announced that its Kickstarter-funded Petzval portrait lens is now available for pre-order in Canon and Nikon mounts. Based on a 19th century optical design, the 85mm F2.2 lens has a brass lens barrel, a 'gear rack' manual focusing mechanism using a knob on the side of the barrel, and a set of drop-in 'Waterhouse stops' to change the aperture. The pre-order package costs $599 from Lomography's website, with a current delivery estimate of May 2014. 

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Press release:

THE LOMOGRAPHY X ZENIT NEW PETZVAL ART LENS

Due To Huge Demand: Now Available for Pre-Order on a First Come, First Served Basis

  • A Very Special Portrait Lens: The Petzval offers creative possibilities and produces fantastic photos like no other lens; get extreme sharpness, strong color saturation, artful vignetting and stunning swirly bokeh
  • The Perfect PreOrder Package: After an extraordinarily successful Kickstarter campaign and just in time for the holidays, the Lomography x Zenit New Petzval Lens has been made available for pre‐order
  • What’s In The box? The Petzval Lens Preorder Package features all kinds of photographic treats for you to enjoy

VERY SPECIAL PORTRAIT LENS

The Lomography x Zenit New Petzval Lens is a reinvention of one of the first and greatest lenses of all time. Manufactured in Russia by Zenit, each New Petzval lens is crafted from brass and features high‐quality glass optics. The lens produces images with extreme sharpness, strong color saturation, artful vignetting and absolutely beautiful swirly bokeh. Because of the characteristic swirly bokeh effect that it produces, the New
Petzval Lens is perfect for portraits where you want your subject to be the center of attention. The lens is a reinvention of the legendary 19th century optical design of Joseph Petzval; with the New Petzval, for the
first time ever you can easily get the Petzval photographic look with Canon EF and Nikon F mount analogue and digital cameras.

THE PERFECT PREORDER PACKAGE

In August 2013, supported by over 3000 generous backers, the Lomography Petzval Lens Kickstarter project became one of the most successful Kickstarter design projects ever. Now, due to incredibly high demand and just in time for the holidays, the New Petzval Lens has been made available for pre‐order in the Lomography Online Shop. The pre‐order lenses will be delivered on a first come, first served basis – Order now and secure your piece of photographic history!

It is currently estimated that pre‐order lenses will be delivered in May 2014. This is because of the extremely limited monthly production capabilities and the meticulous craftsmanship of the optical technicians who
manufacture the lenses at the Zenit factory in Krasnogorsk, Russia.

INTERVIEW WITH GEOFFREY BERLINER: A PETZVAL PIONEER

Geoffrey Berliner, Executive Director of the Penumbra Foundation and the Center for Alternative Photography, has a collection of over 2000 Petzval Lenses. He commented on the fact that that Lomography have reinvented the lens: “The Petzval has got all kinds of optical qualities that you can either keep or avoid, and that’s what makes it interesting. For us [the Penumbra Foundation] it was a very exciting thing to hear that Lomography had the insight and vision to look backwards in time to create a technology that would work perfectly with
the technology that exists today”.

Watch the video interview with Geoffrey Berliner about the New Petzval Lens:
http://vimeo.com/lomography/petzval

WHAT’S IN THE BOX?

The New Petzval pre‐order Package features a whole range of treats to enjoy, including extra goodies which won’t be available when the lens is offered for regular purchase…

  • New Petzval Art Lens
  • New Petzval Art Lens Book
  • 7 Standard Aperture Plates
  • 4 Experimental Aperture plates
  • Petzval Lens Cleaning Cloth
  • Petzval Lens Leather Pouch
  • New Petzval Lens Brass Lens Cap

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:

  • Focal Length: 85mm
  • Maximum Aperture: f/2.2
  • Apertures: Waterhouse aperture set, up to F/16
  • Image Circle: 44mm
  • Field of View: 30 degrees
  • Lens Mounting Profile: Canon EF and Nikon F
  • Electronic Contacts: No
  • Closest Focusing Distance: 1m
  • Focussing Mechanism: Gear Rack Focusing
  • Filter Thread: 58mm

Additional images

Sample Images

© Coco Alexander For Lomography  © Filip Zrnzevic For Lomography 

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Comments

Total comments: 169
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CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (4 months ago)

Having seen some samples, I now fully understand why this design died out. In plain language, these images look like sh1t. Blurry (not soft) and the bokeh is HIDEOUS. People who buy this in a quest for something different...well, I think you'll regret it once the novelty wears off.

0 upvotes
Perry Kivolowitz
By Perry Kivolowitz (4 months ago)

That's like saying you fully understand why the Wright Flyer died out. Some people would pay a lot of money to be able to play with a Wright Flyer. Some might buy the Lomography Petzval because they find the bokeh pleasing or might want to recreate a Mathew Brady / Civil War look. Some might buy it for the competitive novelty. In any case, if you don't like - don't buy it.

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2 upvotes
CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (4 months ago)

The Wright Flyer was a groundbreaking aircraft in its day. I sure as heck would not fly one.

0 upvotes
Perry Kivolowitz
By Perry Kivolowitz (4 months ago)

Exactly my point. The Petzval lens was 22 times faster then the preceding technology. The only reason to fly a Wright Flyer is if you're interested in going out of your way to do so. Same with this lens. It isn't for general use.

2 upvotes
Smeggypants
By Smeggypants (5 days ago)

I just checked out some samples and I love the chaotic bokeh.

0 upvotes
Clueless Wanderer
By Clueless Wanderer (4 months ago)

I like what it does, BUT.

You can only take so many portraits with the subject bulls eyed in the center of the frame, before you look like a 'one trick pony' photographer.

Oh, maybe it has value if you used a high megapixel body and creatively cropped the subject from being in the center

2 upvotes
reinish
By reinish (4 months ago)

that classical brass lens barrel makes those plastic muffin shape canons look so ugly .

I really like that idea, only some worries that they are made in Russia , place famous for inconsistency in QC.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

it's opposite. any metal should be covered with a lacquer, rubber, or plastic coating (nashiji in Japanese, lacquer with a coarse surface). I love the finish of old Nikkor lenses like 85/1.4D. actually a lot of old scientific equipment were coated similarly.

exposed metal means cheap (which is good for that sake).

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Mondo Circus
By Mondo Circus (4 months ago)

It looks awsome but to be honest the bokeh makes me queasy and anxious. I saw video of the bokah and it really doesn't work well in a moving image. To get a nice background bokah you really are going to have to think carefully. A pro portrait photographer would have to pack a regular lens along with this in case the background doesn't produce a pleasant bokah.

The color image on this page is the best I've seen but it's a very specific location.

More importantly, I've read in a review that it's design ensures that dust will get into your camera. I'd really rather not deal with that all the time.

1 upvote
SMPhoto
By SMPhoto (4 months ago)

Gotta side with you on that, the B&W sample image makes me feel carsick...

1 upvote
Petrogel
By Petrogel (4 months ago)

I can not believe that there are going to be poeple spending money for this scuttle

8 upvotes
richteed
By richteed (4 months ago)

I've just been to the lomography website and it's only available in Canikon mounts :-( .

I'm a bit less keen now

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

the rear element of the lens is retracted into the lens thus it should be able to make an interchangeable mount which used to be popular a half century ago (Tamron T-mount).

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RDMPhotos
By RDMPhotos (4 months ago)

I agree with you Yabokkie,
They might have saved some money too if they just made this lens available in T-Mount. Not to mention sold more to those that are not Canikon users.
They really shot themselves in the foot there.
I have no Nikon or Canon EF mount cameras at all :(

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Perry Kivolowitz
By Perry Kivolowitz (4 months ago)

I am using it right now with a Fujifilm X-E2 with a Nikon F to X mount adapter. It's fun and handles very well on such a small camera. Feels similar to the Fujifilm 55-200 in weight and balance.

0 upvotes
richteed
By richteed (4 months ago)

Oooh.. I want one! I'll probably need to wait 10 years until I can pick a battered one with a dented filter ring on ebay for £100, but the sample pics and videos are just gorgeous. In the meantime, I'll have to stick with my lensbaby composer which gives a very similar effect, and swirl that bokeh in photoshop. This lens appears to give the swirly bokeh right into the sweetspot though - anyone else notice that? Now where did I put that lottery ticket I bought last night..?..

I love the way a 19th century lens could be innovating digital photo/video-graphy, and its getting made in Russia.

0 upvotes
F Stop Fitzgerald
By F Stop Fitzgerald (4 months ago)

I am convinced that by the end of 2014, there will be at least a dozen major Music Video's with scenes shot with this lens.

This kind of lens is not my cup of tea. But I can see that is has a unique look and a creative cinematographer could do some interesting things with it.

2 upvotes
DWare
By DWare (4 months ago)

Hmmm ... Aperture is manually inserted? Should provide some interesting photo experiments. The star, hexagon and drop shape depicted ... wonder how they look and seems any style can be made or modded to fit the slot? I'd probably switch screen to a split style for the manual focus but in any case, seems intriguing.

1 upvote
JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (4 months ago)

If you want to see sort-of examples of the effects, check out Lensbaby photos using the manually replaceable aperture shapes/rings for their lenses.

0 upvotes
Leiduowen
By Leiduowen (4 months ago)

Joseph Petzval (1807 - 1891) a mathematician, inventor, and physicist best known for his work in optics. Born in the town of Spišská Belá in Slovakia (the then Zipser Bela in the Kingdom of Hungary). The Petzval lens was developed in 1840 and became an ideal lens for portrait photography. It is highly intriguing that this simple concept of two doublet lenses with an aperture stop in between would get revived some 170 years later. I can't stop laughing at the audacity of the project managers!

2 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

And i cant stop laughing at your
Ack of sucess,something they have and you do not by the looks of things

0 upvotes
RDMPhotos
By RDMPhotos (4 months ago)

Its the shiny Brass that they all like best.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

s/a Pentax. just buy some limited lenses,
throw away the glass, and keep the barrel.

0 upvotes
CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (4 months ago)

Why not just be modern and crapify your photos with a computer like everyone else?

4 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

Because anyone can do that, i mean just look at yourself, you are supposed to get the best image possible out of the camera with minimal editing.

0 upvotes
jackzuckerphotography
By jackzuckerphotography (4 months ago)

no, the point is, why pay $700 for a lens that sticks you with the "effect" when you can shoot it without the effect in the camera and add whatever you want in post processing? Anyone who knows how to use photoshop can do this after the fact and you are not stuck in that one effect you shot it with. There are reasons that nobody is using soft focus filters and vignetting devices on the camera anymore...Oh yeah, except for lens-baby stuff, lol

3 upvotes
88SAL
By 88SAL (4 months ago)

Haters will be haters. Why can't you be happy that new and different products are being produced?

2 upvotes
CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (4 months ago)

Hating is fun.

1 upvote
Perry Kivolowitz
By Perry Kivolowitz (4 months ago)

@jackzuckerphotography - fair point though it isn't a straight forward radial blur. I haven't thought of a way to duplicate the effect yet but the again I haven't thought about it much.

I think where this lens will find its niche is with videographers using dslrs.

0 upvotes
Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (4 months ago)

Well, it's better to spend $600 on this lens than in beer... or is it the opposite?

4 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

I dont drink so it is a better spend on this lens, also the beer is gone after a few minutes, this lens remains

2 upvotes
Houseqatz
By Houseqatz (4 months ago)

i'd pay money [not much] to watch someone drink $600 worth of beer, in a matter of minutes.. some extra hoppy craft beer or budweiser or PBR would be worth it..

puking mid guzzling is allowed, but it has to stay down for say.. 20 seconds to count =D

0 upvotes
DAVID MANZE
By DAVID MANZE (3 months ago)

If I had all the money I spent on beer, I spend it all on beer!

Visually it's similar to this lens's bokeh.

1 upvote
JKP
By JKP (4 months ago)

Now, if those aperture plates would be programmable high resolution LDC-displays that would let the light through only in those areas you want.

Via Wi-Fi/Blutooth, you could alter the aperture shape on the fly, for example by you mobile phone or by some sort of Magic Lantern tweak.

0 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

But then it would not be a petzvel lens.

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Danny
By Danny (4 months ago)

Darn, I like it. All the negative comments, I don't get it. This is a resurrection of an authentic lens that takes images with that 19th century nostalgic 'look'.
It gives me wet collodion dreams.

6 upvotes
CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (4 months ago)

It's because people are dicks. BTW, I think this thing is idiotic, and ridiculous-looking, too. So, um, that makes me...look, at least I am aware of it. That's the first step.

2 upvotes
PatrickVienna
By PatrickVienna (4 months ago)

Sorry my english but doesnt ''collodion'' mean something like anal?
Like my man,you get wet anal dreams from....yeahhhh i get it....the Petzval looks so ummmm....nice mounted on the camera.
SEXY.

0 upvotes
groucher
By groucher (4 months ago)

I'm with you Danny. The negative comments are likely to be by cellphone snappers who think that pin sized sensors and digital noise are something to do with photography.

Patrick - Google ''collodion'' - nothing to do with bottoms.

1 upvote
PatrickVienna
By PatrickVienna (4 months ago)

Whats ''Google''? Becouse if its not gold(colored) and if it doesnt look like water pipe im not touching it....
Jokes aside-im not sure if a pro photographer would buy these Lenses.

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James Qi
By James Qi (4 months ago)

Just get a cheap CCTV lens. Spray some metal over it. And save a fortune. Sorted.

2 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

Congratulations, you proved your complete lack of knowledge about photography

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love_them_all
By love_them_all (4 months ago)

By this time 2014, the bay will be flooded with this lens used.

- lens barrel scratched, oops! Sell!
- the finish got dull, and I am too lazy to polish it every time I take it out. Sell!
- the bokeh makes me dizzy. Can't stand it after a hundred or so pictures. Sell!
- it's not a beer mug? Sell!

No need to hurry into buying this lens.

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Keytsa
By Keytsa (4 months ago)

These lens are not for hipsters... They are for golden kids. :-)
Seriously!? Who in the world with common sence would walk around with that?!
Made me a brass Nikon to match my new shiny brass lens...

0 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

It is not meant for walking around with, it is meant for professional portrait work in studio or pre planned shoot in a nice location, but then again i guess youd think a 300mm lens was made for indoor architecture shooting.

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Keytsa
By Keytsa (4 months ago)

''Why So Serious?''

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Matt Kolberg
By Matt Kolberg (4 months ago)

He's serious because he's a bitter old fart who somehow gets offended if everyone doesn't like the same things he does with nothing better to do than insult people.

1 upvote
Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (4 months ago)

If you want weird bokeh, you can just put a coarse diffraction grate in front of a longish lens and shoot with a wide aperture. I did this pic by poking holes in a piece of black foil with a pencil. I then mounted this in a spare filter ring and put it on the front of a 100mm f2.8 lens and shot wide open.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/892561616/photos/2774549/crocus

The in-focus parts of the image stay relatively sharp and the out of focus stuff breaks up into as many images as you have holes in the grate. In between, you get beaucoup bokeh.

12 upvotes
Jokica
By Jokica (4 months ago)

Hi, Jim.
I just saw your sample, it looks great.
Thanks for the wonderful idea. I would very much like to see picture of your setup, even better, the video about it. If there is a link, please share it.
Thanks!

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Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (4 months ago)

I actually shot this on film some time ago and just recently scanned the neg. I think I still have the original homemade grate around. I'll look for it tomorrow, or make a new one to show it to you.

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Jokica
By Jokica (4 months ago)

That would be great, thanks! I will revisit this thread tomorrow. Looking forward to your post!

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Derek Dean
By Derek Dean (4 months ago)

Jim, I really like that image, and a great idea. The bokeh of the brass lens makes me dizzy.

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Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (4 months ago)

I just posted some pics and an explanation of this in the General Photo Techniques forum. Subject is "The DIY Bad Bokeh Filter."

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3591912#forum-post-52712944

3 upvotes
Holger Drallmeyer
By Holger Drallmeyer (4 months ago)

Hehe, thanks for that little Idea! I immediately had to play with tin foil. Got some cool results :)

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

That's "rack and pinion" focuser, as in telescope-type focuser. Petzvals are interesting lenses. One of the most prolific comet hunters of the 20th century (William Bradfield of Australia) actually used a big one as the front element of a refractor telescope.

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nstam
By nstam (4 months ago)

maybe its me, but doesnt the bokeh almost make you dizzy?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052357/

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

the most amazing thing with the lens is that time will put a beautiful green coating on it, similar to this one
http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/photo/000/002/094/052/2094052/p1.jpg

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

I guess it's a generational thing but with all the history, Waterhouse stops, bright brass etc. this is more exiting than a cell phone that makes badly stitched panoramas.

9 upvotes
Daniel Stehura
By Daniel Stehura (4 months ago)

My 4x5 Speed Grafix days are over along with rotary dial phones. Just put some old axel grease on your Zeiss and blow away the Lamography Lenses.

0 upvotes
chooflaki
By chooflaki (4 months ago)

On their website they have black Canon and Nikon versions for an extra $100. They look quite good.

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

Looks much better in brass, finish matches the housing material used in the era it was invented.

1 upvote
22codfish
By 22codfish (4 months ago)

When it comes to playing around with ancient manual lens, I'll stick with my Pentax-M Aashi bayonet mount f2.8 28 mm, or the F2 50mm with some extension tubes. Nothing better, and they fit on all the new cams..

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

Pentax won't fit on Nikon well. Canon is recommended.

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OpenWide
By OpenWide (4 months ago)

But they 'actually' fit on Pentax, so Pentax is recommended.

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

Those are not ancient, if that is what you callancient then you must be 5.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

> so Pentax is recommended

someday maybe, not until we have Pentax full-frame.

0 upvotes
tinternaut
By tinternaut (4 months ago)

I don't think I've ever clicked like on so many differing comments/opinions on a news article. I read the lot with a smile. Yes, this project is utterly mad. I hope they suck seeds.

1 upvote
Digitall
By Digitall (4 months ago)

I have a mug to drink beer like this lens. Very flashy, do not go with her to the street.

1 upvote
Kavu
By Kavu (4 months ago)

Next someone will invent a film camera….

18 upvotes
Keytsa
By Keytsa (4 months ago)

Yeah I know it's funny... And then goes the neighbourhood.

0 upvotes
Grant
By Grant (4 months ago)

Nahhhhh

0 upvotes
Ernest M Aquilio
By Ernest M Aquilio (4 months ago)

Intriguing to say the least. I may be so daring to say that I love the bokeh effects of this lens and the focal length is very useful. I cant wait to try it and look outrageous; that is part of the charm.

3 upvotes
km25
By km25 (4 months ago)

It seems like a great lens to experiment with. I just that rack focusing, antique cars a fun. But modern battery and electrical would be nice. The drop in F stops.The draw back there must be must be dust. Why gold color? Black or silver wound be better. I would just by a Canon or Nikon 85mm lens.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

If these are the questions you're asking then you are completely missing the point of this lens.

5 upvotes
samfan
By samfan (4 months ago)

I really hope it'll come in black eventually.

The drop-in apertures are ingenious. Especially the star one. Why didn't anyone else think of that?

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DBraun
By DBraun (4 months ago)

Because you can simply place your star aperture in old filter ring and mount it in front of your lens with the same effect. And also, because Waterhouse slit is a perfect trap for dust and debris.

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te 2r
By te 2r (4 months ago)

I believe black ones were offered in the initial Kickstarter campaign.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (4 months ago)

@DBraun. No --- you cannot do that. Or - at least the effect will be quite different. And - it only works on tele lenses of some designs.

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DBraun
By DBraun (4 months ago)

I like your comment. I understand, that the effect will be less pronounced, but it is still going to be quite visible.

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Rmano
By Rmano (4 months ago)

@Roland --- I have seen someone doing a similar thing putting a cat-eye like aperture on the back lens of the camera (the one in the mount, I mean). This should be similar to the effect of the strange apertures? (albeit dangerous...)

Wait, it's here: look at "bokelishousness" here: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/11/photo-geek-contest-2013-winners

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andjar
By andjar (4 months ago)

finally a lens worthy of the most glamorous pimp.

10 upvotes
EricAotearoa
By EricAotearoa (4 months ago)

If it looks different and if it acts different, and it doesn't look like the homogeneous black plastic lens' of every other manufacturer, then it's bad. Well, that's what I have got from reading most comments here. Dare to be different and you get hammered. What a dour bunch.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (4 months ago)

It's annoying, isn't it? Been to a parking lot lately? Every car, black, white or grey, no variation, no colour. People are more conformist and peer-driven now than in the 1950's!!

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

I agree

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (4 months ago)

Up periscope!

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (4 months ago)

That thing is uglier than the wood panel sigma ...ha.

2 upvotes
Benarm
By Benarm (4 months ago)

this nicely matches with the gold iPhone, hipsters will love it

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

so the fact they did not change the design at all makes it a hipster thing despite it being invented before hipsters were born?

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

KariIceland, I hate to be the etymology police but much of what has informed many called "hipsters", aesthetically and philosophically, comes from a series of cultural groups, primarily concentrated in the 1950's through the 1980's: Mods, Beats, Glam, Punks, New Wavers, etc. So, yes, some "hipsters" are quite open to things existing before they were born.

3 upvotes
Flying Snail
By Flying Snail (4 months ago)

Meh, I'll stick with my Lensbaby.

0 upvotes
rmbackus
By rmbackus (4 months ago)

We'll see how many Dpreview Challenges will be won with this lens...

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sh10453
By sh10453 (4 months ago)

I don't believe that the idea behind this lens is taking pictures with it.

Rather, it's an item for collectors; those who will hold onto it, in its brand new condition, for 20, 30, 40, or more years, then it goes to the big and famous auction house, where someone incredibly wealthy (from the 1% who get away with ...?) will bid on it by phone.
It probably will fetch 100 times its current price (by then)!
Who knows! These people are paying a $150 million for a painting (while millions are dying of hunger of course)!

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Vladik
By Vladik (4 months ago)

it will never be a collector's edition, if it is mass produced :)

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sh10453
By sh10453 (4 months ago)

I don't think it will be mass produced. They are taking orders now for a May 2014 production. That says something about the amount being ordered.
Besides, how many REAL photographers are willing to pay $600 for an 85mm Russian lens?

We'll wait and see if it will be offered on eBay as a used item in a couple of years from now :)

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

@sh10453:

What is your criteria for "REAL" photographers? People that hang out on DPReview forums slagging others because of what gear they choose to create their images. Are those the REAL photographers?

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

Yeah because rich art collectors have never contributed to charities. And we all know the behavior of the art market, unlike conspicuous consumption of all kinds, is exclusively ugly in the face of poverty. Please.

3 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

What has where it is made have to do with it? Racist much? Also want to know great lenses? Helios 58mm helios 300mm f4.5
But then again I am sure you just are racist against russians because it seems American's keep thinking Russia is terrible while the USA is far beyond Russia's level.

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

I quite like many Russian products.

kariIceland: having a criticism for a nation's products, while a bit broad in generalization, is a fair bit short of a racist comment. For one reason, Russians do not constitute a separate race, nor do they share a singular ethnic association. Also, I find it ironically unfortunate that you falsely identified racism (which was, in fact, more generalization) shortly following that with a stereotype about Americans.

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

Additionally, let's say theoretically that a nation is wholly comprised of one ethnicity existing there and nowhere else; quite impossible but let's just entertain the notion for the sake of argument. That nation then might have one or more companies that make a product, such as cameras. For someone to have a negative opinion of the products produced by that company (or those companies) is also not racism, as it is disliking products of a company (companies). It represents no presumption of anything relating to the people of that country with respect to potential, propensity, etc.

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Stacey_K
By Stacey_K (4 months ago)

If you had ever actually used a kiev camera, you wouldn't be praising russian craftsmanship.I have and their QC is like zero!

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sh10453
By sh10453 (4 months ago)

Actually I am not a racist, and I have quite a number of Russian friends here.
Also, my sister-in-law is Russian.
My first serious camera was Russian, a 35mm Kiev 4, well ..., not exactly Russian, but Soviet era.

All I meant was that photographers who intend to actually use the lens (like those who make their living as photographers) would rather pay their $600 for a "tried and tested" Canon or Nikon lens that is designed to work with their cameras, with all of nowadays built-in automation.

Buyers of this lens will most likely be collectors or people with some extra cash who will buy it for the fun of it.

So the comment was not meant to be offensive to Russians at all.

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

Yes that is why so many lust after carl zeiss manual focus lenses, because they want theyre trusted and "true" canon lenses (many of which deliver worse iq than this lens) and fyi: i trust my 300mm 4.5 zenit more than a 70-300mm canon.

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sh10453
By sh10453 (4 months ago)

I'm now curious!
How did you know "many of which deliver worse iq than this lens"?
I thought they said the production will be in May of next year, or did I miss something?

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

A least this does something different than your typical 85mm Canikons which all look so tediously similar.

I'd rather see a cool photo with ugly and interesting bokeh than be bored to death with the same old homogenous "creamy" bokeh that everyone on the forums seems to be enamored with.

Am I gonna buy one? Not likely, but I'll look forward to seeing how people use it.

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DBraun
By DBraun (4 months ago)

I agree with you.
And there is another Kickstarter project with the lens like this Petzval.
It is for medium format.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1162663202/the-petzvar-f-38-120-mm-medium-format-petzval-port

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Matt Kolberg
By Matt Kolberg (4 months ago)

What a useless lens!

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

What a useless photographer you are.

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Matt Kolberg
By Matt Kolberg (4 months ago)

Well, that's mature. I express an opinion on some inanimate object and you attack me personally. Well, at least you're consistent with your history of posts insulting people directly for no reason.

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

And you are consistent with throwing stuff at gear you know nothing about, and this comment was meant to show you how childish your comment was, but i guess you did not catch that either.

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PatrickVienna
By PatrickVienna (4 months ago)

Omg it looks so funny mounted on the cameras. Is someone missing some water pippes? No ?Ok.

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Akpinxit
By Akpinxit (4 months ago)

Couple of points on this subject :
first , as was said before , it is triumph for Kickstarter idea\concept as whole , well done ;
second : I believe , this lens will stay very limited in number , studio product , sort of Mamiya cameras - they are known to be out there , but no one ever saw one :) , the rest will go by with Canon/Nikon FF (and PS for special occasions) .
Also , I have feeling , that in very short time , all this brass will become even more "classic" , by catching rust stains all over it .

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Tom_A
By Tom_A (4 months ago)

During the Kickstarter campaign, the lens was available for $300 which is the max I would pay for it, as it is cool but limited use. Now, if you subscribe to the Lomo newsletters you will see that nearly every week they discount something for up to 25% or even 30%, so it is good to subscribe to them.

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Suave
By Suave (4 months ago)

Another addition to the stable of overpriced manual 85's.

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micksh6
By micksh6 (4 months ago)

Russian Helios 40-2 85mm F1.5 (Zeiss Biotar design) has been produced again for a while. It would make much more sense than this lens - similar bokeh but sharper and with normal aperture blades. Made at the same factory, BTW.
Costs $500 at Amazon and available in m42 and Nikon mounts.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (4 months ago)

One of the attractions of this lens is that it don't have normal aperture blades. You can get truly round apertures - or any form you want. Square? Slit? Oval?

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DBraun
By DBraun (4 months ago)

Yes, I have googled that Helios 40-2 85 mm and the images taken with it.They are, actually, very similar by parameters.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (4 months ago)

Comes with a "Petzval Lens Cleaning Cloth." Really? It isn't approved for cleaning other types of lenses?

Overall, this is probably a fine and distinctive product. I don't know why it isn't a T mount or at least M42, because that would make it also work on Sony A-mount, etc. Perhaps the assumption is that users of Sony and other brand bodies are too smart to buy a product based only on marketing hype? ;-)

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samfan
By samfan (4 months ago)

What an interesting thing to say about Sony in particular.

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balios
By balios (4 months ago)

Sour grapes.

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Dennis
By Dennis (4 months ago)

They should have at least photographed it on a Nikon Df - it might look a little less silly. Looks like a fun niche product for the lomography crowd.

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Jogger
By Jogger (4 months ago)

Exactly how large is the market of hipsters with FF DSLRs?

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (4 months ago)

Almost exactly the same size as the market for the Nikon Df... (ducks and runs)

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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (4 months ago)

LOL ouch !!! (But I agree)

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

"Exactly how large is the market of hipsters with FF DSLRs?"

I'm not sure, but it can't near as large as the number of fauxtographers with FF DSLRs.

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

So tired to poke at "hipsters". If what you mean is young photographers, I assure you that there are many very successful and talented ones focused on portraiture (that I've followed for years), particularly in eastern Europe. Suspecting that some might be potentially interested and quite capable of affording this lens. Keep throwing around disparaging terms, and I think the "hipsters" largely ignore them and continue to produce very respectable photography. Let's just say theoretically a good many of them prefer eclectic quotation of clothing styles and mid-century furnature in spaces adorned with vintage ceramic rabbits and taxidermy. What of it?

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

...well, maybe the technique chasers were in pursuit of other forms of bokeh - not this form; but questionably arbitrary in application nonetheless.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (4 months ago)

@b_craw. If they could make a high quality lens, maybe based on Samyang 85/1.4 or something with a waterstop aperture, I am surely interested. I would like to play around with other apertures.

But - swirly bokeh? Don't think so.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

@b raw: My guess is that the people that toss the term "hipster" around don't actually know what it is they are referring to. They likely first heard the term on a photography forum and decided that hipsters were some evil enemy of the REAL photographers.

Meanwhile in the real world almost no hipsters use DSLRs or even carry cameras for that matter. The few that I do see with cameras usually have some esoteric film cameras.

In any case, the problem in the photography world isn't the hipsters. It's the middle-aged camera experts that troll the photography forums crying for the perfect lens and perfect camera so they can take pedestrian photos of a statuette in near darkness with perfect bokeh and zero distortion.

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

I would gladly buy this because it is an interesting design and if it is sharp enough why not? I am not a "hipster" And I hate the fact we call everything that looks different today a "hipster thing" A hipster does NOT walk around with a DSLR, he walks around with a film camera that he does NOT know how to OPERATE (unlike non hipsters who know how one works) And they also walk around with iphones.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (4 months ago)

I know more hipsters that know how to operate a film camera than non-hipsters. That comment is ridiculous. What makes you think that ALL hipsters are so stupid that they have no idea how to operate a film camera.

I bet 99% of the "experts" on this forum don't know how to operate a film camera either.

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

kariIceland: I assume you are kidding when you claim that a defining characteristic of a hipster is that they do not know how to operate a DSLR. I've had many students over the years (many who might be called hipsters) and their abilities to operate any format are quite unremarkably similar to most any group.

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

Correction: SLR

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KariIceland
By KariIceland (4 months ago)

Being able to load the film and push a button does not count, gtting the proper exposure does.

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b craw
By b craw (4 months ago)

KariIceland: I have no idea when you are getting your information.

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