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Samyang announces 10mm F2.8 manual focus wide-angle prime

By dpreview staff on Dec 6, 2013 at 00:45 GMT

Samyang has announced the 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC, a wide-angle manual focus prime for APS-C format cameras. It's the company's first lens to feature nano crystal coating for increased light transmission and reduced internal reflections. With a 15mm equivalent angle of view (20mm equivalent on Micro Four Thirds), it'll be made in mounts for all current SLR and mirrorless systems. The lens features an integrated petal-type hood, and the aperture is set manually by a ring on the barrel. It'll go on sale at the end of January 2014 at an RRP of £469.99 for Nikon AE mount, or £429.99 for all other versions.

The prototype of this lens was first shown at Photokina 2012, but since then the design has been refined. According to Samyang the main changes have been the addition of the Nano Coating System (NCS) and the integration of the lens hood - apparently saving 160g over the original removable-hood design. 

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Press Release:

New Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS

December 6th 2013 - Samyang release new wide-angle 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS lens in APS-C format.

Samyang has introduced a focused development program to obtain the highest possible optical parameters and reduce the product's size at the same time. These efforts resulted in the latest version of Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS lens featuring parameters and capabilities comparable to the best wide-angle prime and zoom lenses on the market.

The new Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS is an ideal tool for indoor, architecture and landscape photography. It provides an exceptionally wide field of view of up to 109.5 degrees and rectilinear image mapping function. Owing to a fast f/2.8 lens speed you can also use the lens in low light conditions as well as sports photography and photojournalism purposes. The product's optics comprises 14 elements divided into 10 groups, this includes 2 aspherical AS lenses and one lens made of extra-low dispersion glass.  During development works on the prototype version the lens was fitted with an embedded lens hood which ensures a more compact size and reduces its weight by approximately 160 grams*.
* - applicable to a version with Canon E mount

NCS (Nano Coating System)

The Samyang 10mm 1:2.8 ED AS NCS CS is the first Samyang Optics lens to feature a nano crystal anti-reflection coating system. This technology provides a lower reflection factor than (U)MC system as the coating is now applied more evenly on the surface of the lens. Benefits brought by the nano crystal layer include better light transmission, increased resistance to reflections and higher contrast, and all of this translates into supreme optical resolution of the lens.

The lens will be available from the end of January 2014.
The suggested retail price for the Nikon version is £469.99 inc VAT
All other fittings carry a suggested retail price of £429.99 inc VAT

Optical Formula

Samyang 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC specifications

Principal specifications
Lens typePrime lens
Max Format sizeAPS-C / DX
Focal length10 mm
Image stabilisationNo
Lens mountCanon EF, Canon EF-M, Fujifilm X, Nikon F (DX), Four Thirds, Micro Four Thirds, Pentax KAF, Sony Alpha, Sony E (NEX), Samsung NX
Aperture
Maximum apertureF2.8
Minimum apertureF22.0
Aperture ringYes
Number of diaphragm blades6
Aperture notesManual aperture setting via lens ring
Optics
Elements14
Groups10
Special elements / coatings2 aspherical elements, 1 ED glass element
Focus
Minimum focus0.25 m (9.84)
AutofocusNo
Full time manualUnknown
Distance scaleYes
DoF scaleYes
Physical
Weight580 g (1.28 lb)
Diameter86 mm (3.39)
Length77 mm (3.03)
Filter notesNo filter thread
Hood suppliedYes
Hood product codeIntegrated hood
Other
NotesDimensions are for Nikon-mount version - other models vary

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Comments

Total comments: 133
LMCasey
By LMCasey (1 week ago)

Dear Samyang,
Please make a version of this for FF, and please correct it to less than 4% barrel distortion. Doesn't necessarily need to be a fast lens either; f4 will do.

0 upvotes
Davesurfphoto
By Davesurfphoto (2 months ago)

removable lens hood need to start happening on these wides ,,,, us surf photographers that house these types of lenses ,,,,are always more appreciative when the lens can come off ,,although were an inventive bunch and ,, usually if the hoods gotta go,,, its gotta go,, hence dremels,, small hand tools usually do the trick.... ive done it with rokinons and not that expensive glass however doing that with another lens that has a hood i can't remove ... thats more expensive is a not reccomended if u wanna possible have your lens for resale!!

0 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

The EXIF data has been scrubbed from the samples at

http://www.samyang.pl/index.php/prasa-informacje/nowy-samyang-10mm-1-2-8

but appears to be a Canon 60D.

0 upvotes
nemark
By nemark (3 months ago)

I would like it with removable lens hood, just like on 8mm fish-eye.

1 upvote
noncho
By noncho (4 months ago)

I was interested in this lens when it was announced more than a year ago, but now... It's too big(for M) and too expensive for a lens without AF(it's much higher than Samyang 14 2.8!). This one should be perfect optically to be considered.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

just trim images taken with 14/2.8 if you need narrower field.

0 upvotes
WordsOfFarewell
By WordsOfFarewell (4 months ago)

If this had a filter thread it'd be my always on lens for landscaping. I'm still thinking about getting it though. May be great for twilight and night stuff where the exposures are long enough anyway. ;)

0 upvotes
budi0251
By budi0251 (4 months ago)

Anyway, the hot potato is rolling now, which 3rd party manufacturer can provide a "good enough or better" lenses with reasonable price against DSLR OEM.

Forget yesterday standard of what is a "good lens" from 3rd party manufacturer (ie. old sigma was quite a notorious "low quality" 3rd party lens in the old day).

Today we want it better than OEM, cheaper than OEM, and more unique from OEM lens.
ie.
Tamron 70-300 VC : Regarded as as good or better than Nikon equivalent version
Sigma 35/1.4 : better than any other manufacturer could produce
Sigma 8-16 : Wider (rectilinear) than anyone else
Sigma 18-35 : better and unique FL/Aperture than any other
etc...

This will either forcing DSLR manufacturer to reduce their price while trying to remains competitive (somehow I imagine, it was a bad move of Nikon with their "expensive" 18-140mm new lens, not to mention 58mm/1.4 too).

3 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (4 months ago)

If it was from Canon or Nikon, it would be $2,000.

1 upvote
ZAnton
By ZAnton (4 months ago)

Super-wide angle + (nearly) flat front lens = heavy vignetting

1 upvote
mrc4nl
By mrc4nl (4 months ago)

as a m43 user a rectininear 10mm is great, the question for me is which mount should i choose.

a "native" m43 mount may yield better results (because a adapter will introduce small misalignments)

Or i choose i Nikon mount, so i can use it on a nikon body, but also on a speedbooster gaining one stop and perhaps even better sharpness.

0 upvotes
Peksu
By Peksu (4 months ago)

This lens is designed for APS-C, you can't use speed booster with it.

0 upvotes
ryansholl
By ryansholl (4 months ago)

Yes you can if you are perfectly happy with a center crop, and in many cases you could be.

0 upvotes
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (4 months ago)

You are gaining SHARPNESS by using a meddlesome behind-the-lens snake oil adapter? Really? Must be magic, surely. Make that definitely.

0 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

@ Peksu - Yes, Speedbooster WILL work with APS-C lenses on M43 full sensor coverage. I checked with Metabones.

@ Francis - Yes, by compressing the image coming into the Speedbooster it also increases sharpness and MTF.

This info is easily available if you actually want to look for it. Or you can be ignorant and post dumb comments.

0 upvotes
Carsten Pauer 2
By Carsten Pauer 2 (4 months ago)

New HR Photos from the Lens itself:

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/fi/focus_nordic/pressreleases/uusi-laajakulmaobjektiivi-samyangilta-937327

1 upvote
facedodge
By facedodge (4 months ago)

I heard the Rokinon version was way better

;)

6 upvotes
Becksvart
By Becksvart (4 months ago)

I am kind of surprised people are listing the number of aperture blades and not asking about coma. 10mm f/2,8 non-fisheye says starry skies and...I don't know, the inside of spooky houses with no tripod in sight at night?

Edit. Ah, I see Greg VDB already mentioned this. D'oh.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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horrorshow
By horrorshow (4 months ago)

I hope the coma is better than their 14mm. As a FF shooter, I gave up on my 14mm for stars as my Tamron 24-70 gives much more pleasing results at the wide end, though obviously not nearly as wide as I'd like.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

should not have too high expectations. I think their 14mm is good and 10mm might be better (for a narrower angle of view with smaller aperture).

0 upvotes
benross
By benross (4 months ago)

Am I missing something? If it's 10 mm focal length on APS, it's 10 mm everywhere. Its angle of view is equivalent of a 15 mm on a full frame, and a 7.5 mm on a 4/3. Not a 20 mm.

1 upvote
Revenant
By Revenant (4 months ago)

The focal length is 10 mm. That is a physical property of the lens that doesn't change. On APS-C (crop factor 1.5x) it gives the same angle of view as a 15 mm on FF. On 4/3 (crop factor 2x) it gives the same angle of view as a 20 mm on FF.

4 upvotes
benross
By benross (4 months ago)

Oh yes. All translated in FF language. Got it. Thanks!

0 upvotes
Madaboutpix
By Madaboutpix (4 months ago)

Okay, I dig the comments about the 6 aperture blades and the considerable weight. But we're talking a fairly fast metal-barrel f2.8 lens, and as a Pentaxian, I'm pleased to see a third-party manufacturer still bothering to produce K-mount lenses. And much as I love the IQ and the starbursts from my Pentax smc DA 15mm Limited, I must say that with every new lens Samyang is offering in the ultra-wide and fisheye compartments (where non-AF isn't such a big deal), I'm more tempted to give them a try. Especially when I look at their budget prices.

Pentax do have a DA 12-28mm ultra-wide zoom on their roadmap, which may well turn out to be a colaboration with Tokina. I expect that to be a wonderful lens, but I'm not so sure if I will be able to afford it without breaking the bank. Therfore, keep on, Samyang!

0 upvotes
julieng
By julieng (4 months ago)

Hyperfocal distance is short for 10mm angle on APS-C, but when critical focus is needed, AF actually is a very big deal on wide angles.

0 upvotes
trulandphoto
By trulandphoto (4 months ago)

This might just be my next EOS-M lens. But do I get EF mount so I can use it with my 7D and the adapter on the EOS-M or the EF-M mount version?

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2 upvotes
zevobh
By zevobh (4 months ago)

everyone! we found the EOS M owner!

22 upvotes
Lan
By Lan (4 months ago)

@zevobh: I'm not surprised they're looking at buying a manual focus lens either ;)

5 upvotes
EvokeEmotion
By EvokeEmotion (4 months ago)

We're around. We're just a tad more mature on the evolution scale.

4 upvotes
nemark
By nemark (4 months ago)

It will be very large lens on a tiny (EOS-M) body. Pity they don`t plan a smaller version for mirrorless cameras (like 8/7.5mm fish-eye variants).

1 upvote
ginsbu
By ginsbu (4 months ago)

I'd like to see a 10mm f/2.8 designed specifically for mirrorless. I'd prefer specifically for m4/3 to allow smaller size and easier use of filters, but even covering APS-C with m4/3 mount would do. As it is, this lens looks much more appealing to DSLR shooters.

2 upvotes
Esquilo
By Esquilo (4 months ago)

I have noticed that I use my Sigma 10-20 mm almost exclusivly at 10 mm so I am looking for something more suitable. This Samyang would be perfect if it only had filter-threads. I do not want to trade away the ability to use gradual-ND filters for landscape photography.

1 upvote
jtan163
By jtan163 (4 months ago)

I have and wide--short teles/travel walk around zooms, the Nikkor 16-85, a Sigma 18-200 and a Oly M43 12-50.

I notice more or less the same thing.
That I tend to shoot at the wide end all the time.
Indeed all of my lenses have a wide-ish end except the Oly M43 45mm (90mm 35mm equiv crop).
On the odd occasion I move toward the longer end I'd be far better served my a longer lens e.g 70-200, 70-300 sort of thing.
But that is rare and is usual sporting events (roller derby, airshows etc).
Often I want wider.

I'm so glad that lens manufacturers are starting to build good/great lenses for APS-C - specifically Nikon APS-C and especially at the wide end. For me that was the area most lacking. Tele is well served at least in reach, if not FOV equivalence with 35mm lenses.
I don't think this lens has been reviewed anywhere yet, but Samyang have a reputation for good to excellent lenses and I expect this lens will be at least good enough, if not great.

I think this might be my next lens.

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Pentax_Prime
By Pentax_Prime (4 months ago)

Websites based in the United States should probably work a little bit to give prices in DOLLARS. Just a thought.

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1 upvote
Mattoid
By Mattoid (4 months ago)

You do the maths!

0 upvotes
Fingel
By Fingel (4 months ago)

It will probably cost the same in dollars. US and UK usually look the same as far as numbers go, IE: £469 vs $499, but in real terms the UK price will be twice as high as the real US.

3 upvotes
Pentax_Prime
By Pentax_Prime (4 months ago)

You need some work on your monetary conversions. The pound is actually equal to 1.6 US Dollars - meaning the prices are not going to look anything alike.

0 upvotes
beckmarc
By beckmarc (3 months ago)

Uk prices include sales tax (VAT) and us wages are very low for shop workers compared to Europe hence things cost more outside the US.

0 upvotes
rsf3127
By rsf3127 (4 months ago)

580g! Better have an outstanding IQ and negligible distortion.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

I wouldn't bet on negligible distortion.

1 upvote
rsf3127
By rsf3127 (4 months ago)

Distortion=barrel or pincushion. Not perspective exaggeration.

0 upvotes
jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

I bet for m43 use you could figure out how to put a filter on the front.
Also, since they likely have one hood design for APS-C and m43, the m43 version won't have optimal hood coverage.

Hopefully someone (Oly, Pana, Sigma?) will come out with a 10mm/2.8 prime specifically for m43 so that it doesn't have to weigh 580gms to cover the APS-C image circle.

EDIT: It appears that the m43 version weighs 620 gms - even heavier!

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cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

Awesome.
I'd love one of these in M42 thread but I guess I am a weirdo...

1 upvote
photosen
By photosen (4 months ago)

Can't wait for a comparison with Canon's 10-22. It's good to see more competition.

0 upvotes
Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (4 months ago)

Nano coating? Oh, no, another manufacturer who tries to tell other version of the same old fairy tale about lens coating!

It all started in the '60s when Asahi Pentax created a hype with SMC (Super Multi-Coating). Since then, the world has had to hear all this blah blah blah about the magical qualities of the various types of coating used in photographic lenses.

Some acronyms created since then by the fertile imagination of the lens manufacturers:
SMC Pentax
EBC: Fuji
T*: Zeiss
MC: Pentacon, CZJ, Tokina
SSC: Canon
C: Nikon
N: Nikon
SHMC: Hoya
UMC: Samyang
VMC: Vivitar

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stanic042
By stanic042 (4 months ago)

you are forgetting HD and Aero bright coating from Pentax as well :)

1 upvote
D1N0
By D1N0 (4 months ago)

And RMC Tokina ;)

0 upvotes
6x9
By 6x9 (4 months ago)

... and HTMC of Hama

0 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

And with Pentax, it costs you about $100 for them to wipe this coating onto the glass.

0 upvotes
cinemascope
By cinemascope (4 months ago)

I love flare!

2 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (4 months ago)

Coating is important. It is not fairy tales. What I have seen from tests, the HD coating for Pentax is much better than the SMC.

Of course, if you like flare, then it is of course negative with lack of it.

BTW - do you also omit the lens hood and do not mind using cheap UV filers? Just to add even more flare?

I can tell you two stories from real life.

1. Many old lenses cannot be used on digital cameras because the sensor is so reflective. You get a brighter spot in the middle. They would have been possible to use with better coating.

2. The older version of DPn cameras from Sigma had a strange flare. Totally impossible to use with the sun in the image or street lights. It has been improved, using better coating.

5 upvotes
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (4 months ago)

You're right. How can a layer of whatever material superimposed to the glass improve light transmission?

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

When Asahi started "multicoating" all Pentax lenses, it caught Nikon off guard. For a year and half, they ran ads saying "Nikon multicoats its lenses too--but only those that really need and benefit from the extra coatings." I wonder how many Nikon, Canon lenses are single coated these days....

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (4 months ago)

>I wonder how many Nikon, Canon lenses are single coated these days....

Me, too. In most cases, when a lens manufacturer talks about special coatings on its lenses, that is just marketing. In the service manual of the Zoom Lens CL 8-10mm F.4 - 2.1(*) Canon confessed that:

"15x zoom exchange lens assembly consists of 12 groups and 15 pieces of lens. It is coated in multiple layers much more than on conventional video lenses.

While, on ordinary video cameras, 3~4 lens surfaces are coated in multiple layers, 13 surfaces (**) are subjected to multi coating on the 15x zoom exchange lens to remedy ghost and flare almost completely."

(*) The CL 8-120mm lens was the deluxe lens for the Canon flagship camcorders L1 and L2 in the beginning of the '90s.

(**) As there are 24 air-glass surfaces, about half of the surfaces are multicoated, and the remaining surfaces are single coated.

0 upvotes
Michel F
By Michel F (4 months ago)

I've used many Nikon lenses without nano and their nano counterparts and I much prefer the ones that are nano coated even if the makeup of the lens elements is exactly the same. Nano makes a difference in IQ and it goes beyond controlling flare or fringing. The coatings on a lens can have a very definite influence on color rendition for example. I'll admit that the names are silly though.

0 upvotes
Stephan J
By Stephan J (4 months ago)

At first glance, there are no pictures of buildings ie. straight lined / perspective images posted on the Samyang webpage for this lens.

A year ago, this lens was announced on DPR, the launch was to be imminent.

In the first quarter of the year, all went quiet - I then learnt that the launch did not go ahead because of signicant distortion problems close to the edges. Are they hiding something?

See:
http://www.samyang.pl/index.php/prasa-informacje/nowy-samyang-10mm-1-2-8

0 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (4 months ago)

Good catch. I mean who would use a 10mm rectilinear lens for architecture?

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Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (4 months ago)

Of course this lens is not for everybody, but some people could become VERY happy with it. If the 10mm is of the same high standard as Samyang's FF lenses, this will become the must-have lens for crop-system nightsky photography. I couldn't wait and bought Sigma's 11-16mm in the meantime, but if coma and astigmatism are better corrected in the 10mm than in the 11-16, I'll probably be changing. The manual focus is no problem for a lens this wide, and the manual aperture is even an advantage for shooting timelapse series. Can't wait for the Photozone, Lenstip, and maybe David Kingham reviews!

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fastHID
By fastHID (4 months ago)

Greg what is the Sigma 11-16 you refer to? is it an older discontinued model? I am not finding it. Did you mean 8-16?

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (4 months ago)

Tokina 11-16 f/2.8? http://www.tokinalens.com/tokina/products/atxpro/atx116prodxii/

0 upvotes
Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (4 months ago)

Yes, sorry, my bad, of course it's the *Tokina* 11-16mm...

0 upvotes
io_bg
By io_bg (4 months ago)

No filter thread and 6 diaphragm blades? Too bad...

2 upvotes
wlad
By wlad (4 months ago)

you want better bokeh on that infinite focus ?

15 upvotes
h2k
By h2k (4 months ago)

I fully agree that nice bokeh is relevant on super wide angles as well, whatever others may say. I love to take close-ups of food or flowers with lots of environment in the background - and it should be blurred with the most pleasing bokeh available (this is even doable with a compact, i do that) (of course you can tell me it's not possible, but i know otherwise).

I miss the filter thread too, for the close-up lens, yes, and of course for a polarizer, as you could take gorgeous skies with a super wide. (Integrating the hood is a nice move, though.)

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groucher
By groucher (4 months ago)

Skies do look great with super wide lenses but using a polariser with a lens of this width would result in a dark band of polarised light i.e. will not polarise across the whole image. This might not look so good in some compositions.

6 upvotes
Colin Stuart
By Colin Stuart (4 months ago)

If you're shooting wide open (which you will have to to get any kind of bokeh out of this lense) you're not going to see the aperture blades... the bokeh will be round. How smooth it will be is another matter.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (4 months ago)

6 bladed aperture means no pointed stars on light sources like streetlights. This is one feature I really hate on my 6 bladed Sigma 10-20mm.

Also no filters is a big no no for me. I need GNDs or ND filters to be attached.

Don't mind the MF but the lack of filters and 6 bladed apertures are two disadvantages that cannot be overlooked.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

io_bg is right.
6 aperture blades create not very good looking point light sources when the sun is in the frame, lights in a night time city scape, etc.
Lack of filter thread is problematic for landscape photographers who want to increase saturation of foliage or who do want to use it for sky images - it's only 20mm FX equivalent on m43 and I use a polarizer on my 20mm all the time.

Samyang uses 6 blades on their m43 fisheye and it produces odd looking sun stars . . .

Also, why can't the m43 version be chipped?

Though the optics of Samyang are really good, why can't they go the slight extra mile and put things like 7 aperture blades, CPU chips, etc. in all their lenses (I know I know - cost, but I'd be willing to pay more).

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (4 months ago)

There's also a official video, and fullsize samples to download:

http://www.samyang.pl/index.php/aktualnosci/nowosci-produktowe/91-nowy-obiektyw-samyang-w-wersji-standard-juz-od-wrzesnia-tego-roku-na-polskim-rynku-4

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Carsten Pauer 2
By Carsten Pauer 2 (4 months ago)

http://www.samyang.pl/index.php/prasa-informacje/nowy-samyang-10mm-1-2-8

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xmeda
By xmeda (4 months ago)

Pentax "KAF" really?
well, AF would be nice ;)

but it seems to be only "K"

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 months ago)

It probably has the lens contacts of the KAF mount. The original K-mount had no contacts, "KA" added aperture control from the Body, "KAF" added contacts for lens data and "KAF2" contacts for Powerzoom/SDM. The Samyang should work like a modern AF-lens on manual focus.

http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/K-mount/index.html

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 months ago)

correction:
The specs of all the Samyang lenses for Pentax say "Pentax KAF" but they're actually only KA-lenses. This one is probably the same.

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rtogog
By rtogog (4 months ago)

Nice to get this lens on Pentax mount, as there is no fixed lens on this focal length. If Pentax can offer new Pancake lens with same or wider angle view, It will be easy for us to choose.

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nemark
By nemark (4 months ago)

No, not again! It was already announced two years ago, and according to that, it should be in production for two years by now...

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Amrbeethoven2
By Amrbeethoven2 (4 months ago)

is it fisheye ?

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (4 months ago)

No - read the text, it says "Rectilinear" ..

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (4 months ago)

No.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Photog74
By Photog74 (4 months ago)

Erm, what is "Nikon AE mount" and "Canon E mount"?

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samfan
By samfan (4 months ago)

Nikon AE probably means F with Automatic Exposure support (Samyangs for Nikon often come in 2 versions, with AE chip and without).

Canon E should be Canon EF obviously.

0 upvotes
Carsten Pauer 2
By Carsten Pauer 2 (4 months ago)

YES, Finally !!!!!

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

Why do I have to lug a 580g lens around to get a 20mm FX equivalent FOV on my m43 lens? It had better be stellar wide open on m43. Plus it won't take filters.

AND - they use 6 aperture blades which makes ugly sun stars in my opinion.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (4 months ago)

Well, I've got good news! You don't have to lug it around or even buy it at all. See how easy that was?

38 upvotes
Photog74
By Photog74 (4 months ago)

You don't. There are 7-14mm and 9-18mm zooms available. They are a bit slower but otherwise fine lenses - the Samyang may have lower geometric distortion out of the box ( i.e. without correction in firmware) though.

2 upvotes
samfan
By samfan (4 months ago)

Well, don't buy APS-C wide lenses for m43.

I never saw anyone buying the FF Sigma 12-24 for APS-C use either.

4 upvotes
jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

Well, to get f/2.8 at 10mm there are no m43 options. It would be nice if they made a m43-specific version so that one doesn't have to lug the extra weight and size around to get a fast ultra-wide.

0 upvotes
sbszine
By sbszine (4 months ago)

There's a fast wide zoom on Oly's lens roadmap, maybe wait for that.

0 upvotes
Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (4 months ago)

A lot of us have been waiting for a fast super wide lens for the APC and 4/3rds cameras that's not a fish-eye and is reasonably affordable! If the subsequent review specs say it's at least decent a lot of people will be all over this thing!

9 upvotes
Lan
By Lan (4 months ago)

You need a lens for your APC? Doesn't all the armour get in the way?! ;p

1 upvote
Becksvart
By Becksvart (4 months ago)

Oh, I remember this one. Well, sans the nano anyways. Good thing I kept the faith and wai- ..right, I purchased the 16mm f/2 as soon as it was available. Oh well, I'm happy to say that although it looks downright dorky on my NEX 3, it works rather well for astro (at f/2). I'm fairly certain this one will be good too.

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photo nuts
By photo nuts (4 months ago)

580g? The more useful Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 only weighs 560 g.

No thanks

0 upvotes
itsastickup
By itsastickup (4 months ago)

Presumably, with all those elements, it's highly corrected.

And Tokina has terrible multi-coatings. I would have purchased their wide angle zoom otherwise.

2 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (4 months ago)

Now you've pointed that out, this lens doesn't sound as sexy
I'd rather have a F4 pancake!

0 upvotes
io_bg
By io_bg (4 months ago)

Yup, gonna keep my 11-16 as well. It even takes filters and has AF.

1 upvote
paulski66
By paulski66 (4 months ago)

I thought Nano Crystal Coating was a Nikon-specific technology. I find it impossible to believe that they sold the rights to use this to Samyang. I'm confused...

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Heie2
By Heie2 (4 months ago)

NCC is just a generic form with different names. i.e. Autofocus motors (Sigma has HSM, Pentax has SDM/DC, etc.). Pentax has their own NCC dubbed 'HD' coating that is slowly replacing their iconic 'smc'. Canon has their own version as well as far as I know.

It very well could be Nikon's, but most likely that's just the category of coating, not the name itself. But I could be wrong.

2 upvotes
Vlad S
By Vlad S (4 months ago)

I don't think that nano crystal coating can be trademarked, as it is a generic term that is being used in science routinely.

1 upvote
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (4 months ago)

I want a native m4/3s version of this lens. I don't want an APS-C sized lens.

2 upvotes
Mssimo
By Mssimo (4 months ago)

Get a speed booster and it will become a 7.1mm f2.0 (or 14.2mm on FF camera)

2 upvotes
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (4 months ago)

This plus speed booster would be intriguing. I wonder how it would handle on the corners IQ wise being so wide.

2 upvotes
Lukino
By Lukino (4 months ago)

I just want it to be cheap. Making the same lens in different mount will make Samyang able to keep the price lower. My budget for photography is really low now and there is no point in a smaller lens I can't afford.

1 upvote
Paul1974
By Paul1974 (4 months ago)

The trouble is mirrors, not APS-c. Because this lens is designed for DLSR's, it is big and heavy. I would also appreciate a lens designed for mirrorless camera's.

2 upvotes
jhinkey
By jhinkey (4 months ago)

Native with a CPU chip.
Too heavy/big for my m43 system.

0 upvotes
Treeshade
By Treeshade (4 months ago)

Lens mount: Canon EF, Canon EF-M, Fujifilm X, Nikon F (DX), Four Thirds, Micro Four Thirds, Pentax KAF, Sony Alpha, Sony E (NEX), Samsung NX

This 2.8 wide-angle would fill the long-overdue APS-C prime range. Even EOS M got some love. Now everybody is happy!

2 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (4 months ago)

We've had sharp 10mm f3.5 zooms for years and the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8. Not sure what everyone was waiting for here.

2 upvotes
Photog74
By Photog74 (4 months ago)

Let us hope this lens has less geometric distortion than the zooms.

1 upvote
noirdesir
By noirdesir (4 months ago)

@tkbsic It's a prime and thus by definition smaller and lighter than a zoom and therefore preferred over a zoom. (But then it doesn't stick to that definition but that's an unimportant detail.)
;)

0 upvotes
BillGarrett
By BillGarrett (4 months ago)

Interesting new lens. IQ would need to be amazing, though, for me to give up my Sigma 10-20mm AF zoom.

1 upvote
sakjdakjas
By sakjdakjas (4 months ago)

Just compare the Sigma 10-20 to the Samyang 14/2.8 & 16/2.0 and this one is supposed to be even better.

2 upvotes
fastHID
By fastHID (4 months ago)

Bill is your Sigma 10-20 the F4 model?

0 upvotes
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (4 months ago)

I am curious to see how it compares to defished Samyang 7.5 and 8mm

3 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (4 months ago)

This lens is looooooooooong overdue for the big brands.
Glad that the smaller guy is fulfilling my needs!

Please also make one for M43, not that i will buy it, but many others will!

1 upvote
Mssimo
By Mssimo (4 months ago)

Canon and nikon seem to have given up on APC primes.

3 upvotes
nkistrup
By nkistrup (4 months ago)

Will be interesting to see how the IQ compares to the Sigma 8-16 & Tokina 11-16.

1 upvote
Gary Martin
By Gary Martin (4 months ago)

Sigma has been bringing it.

0 upvotes
paulski66
By paulski66 (4 months ago)

What does Sigm have to do with this Samyang lens?

3 upvotes
Mssimo
By Mssimo (4 months ago)

Go samsung

12 upvotes
turbsy
By turbsy (4 months ago)

Why the price increase for nikon?

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roshmon
By roshmon (4 months ago)

probably for the focus confirmation chip.

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new boyz
By new boyz (4 months ago)

Nikon version is chipped and it supports Auto Exposure. Or that what I assumed, as I own Samyang 8mm Nikon AE.

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new boyz
By new boyz (4 months ago)

"probably for the focus confirmation chip."

Not only confirmation, Samyang lenses with Nikon AE designation also support auto exposure(has physical aperture lever - no need for stop down metering), EXIF and of course AF confirmation. Basically a fully functional Nikon native lens but with no autofocus. Big advantage for Nikon users.

Both of my Samyang 8mm and 85mm AE work that way. Don't know if other lenses work differently.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 months ago)

The Pentax KAF versions work the same way.
I have no problem with Nikon users paying more, though...

7 upvotes
Photog74
By Photog74 (4 months ago)

Nikon-mount lenses do not require a chip for focus confirmation; the "electronic ragefinder dot" in Nikon cameras works with everything you can mount on them, including Lensbabies. What the chip does is allow open-aperture matrix metering, so you do not have to stop it down to the working aperture to take a correct meter reading.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 months ago)

What about lens data?
"KAF"-mount lenses transmit focal length, lens-to-subject-distance, exact absolute value of the selected f-stop and lens size.

The existing Samyang lenses are only "KA"-lenses, even if the specs say "Pentax KAF"...

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budi0251
By budi0251 (4 months ago)

For canon users, get a nikon version then buy proper "Chipped lens adapter", you get confirmation beep on EOS body.
Still, semi AE though in A mode with stop down metering.

{which is still better, compared with fully manual lens on cheap Nikon body ie. Ai/Ai-S on D5300}.

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stupidisanart
By stupidisanart (4 months ago)

love samyang.

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dubstylz
By dubstylz (4 months ago)

I have been waiting for so long for an ultra wide 2.8 non fish prime for so long, bravo samyang, bravo!

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (4 months ago)

count me in, one in Fuji X mount please!

4 upvotes
Apewithacamera
By Apewithacamera (4 months ago)

I just gotta have this!

1 upvote
dubstylz
By dubstylz (4 months ago)

Me too!

0 upvotes
iShootWideOpen
By iShootWideOpen (4 months ago)

Ridicules size!

1 upvote
utphoto
By utphoto (4 months ago)

Not if you shoot night skies or some of the landscapes in the American southwest.

6 upvotes
fastHID
By fastHID (4 months ago)

I had just emailed Samyang yesterday Dec 5 asking for a possible release date and they did reply saying first quarter of 2014, possibly second quarter 2014.

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