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DPReview on CreativeLIVE

By dpreview staff on Dec 2, 2013 at 02:06 GMT

We're very excited to announce a day of live video coverage on Monday December 2nd in partnership with CreativeLIVE. The live stream, which will be broadcast on our homepage will cover product highlights from the past year, as well as live shooting demonstrations and panels discussing the current state of the photography market, and predictions for the future. 

Monday, December 2, 2013 at 9:00am PST

During the broadcast, DPReview’s team of experts will outline which cameras work best for specific kinds of photography - from portrait to travel to sports. During live demonstrations, DPReview’s editors will partner with professional photographers to demonstrate how to build a home portrait studio, and share tips on getting great photos.

Our panel discussions will focus on technology trends, and predictions for the future of digital imaging. As well as DPReview editors we'll be inviting industry figures to give their opinions, and answer your questions.

We're really looking forward to it (albeit with a degree of trepidation) and we hope you'll join us on the day. Coverage starts at 9am (PST) but even if you miss the live broadcast the segments will be archived and available to replay.

If you'd like to suggest a question, or topic for discussion for our December 2nd live event, please feel free to leave a comment on this story or email us.

Comments

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sh10453
By sh10453 (4 months ago)

Let's hope and pray that Panasonic would learn a lesson from Fuji, and issue a firmware update for the FZ200.

Two major issues are accepting 64GB SDHC cards (not SDXC) with newer format (eX?), just like Samsung products accept such cards, and improve the very frustrating, very poor control of the manual focus.

If that doesn't happen, I promise that this will be my last Panasonic camera.

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mark625
By mark625 (4 months ago)

I liked what I saw though I didn't watch everything. :)
This is a nice addition to the website.

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Bronze Age Man
By Bronze Age Man (4 months ago)

Too slow to watch, few bites of a word then stops for ages. Painful.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (4 months ago)

I'm still amazed that Dpreview got Sean Connery to sit in with the panel.

I never knew he was a gearhead.

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (4 months ago)

I´m thinking the same about how active is Jurassic Park owner, Richard Attenborough, on this forums ;)

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expressivecanvas
By expressivecanvas (4 months ago)

Tried watching two different times. I simply couldn't get past the first minute or so. Too much chatter about nothing (reminds me of the two annoying announcers sitting behind a desk at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade just making small talk and attempting to be funny and interesting) and when you finally started talking about photography and gear, I was bored with the gear discussed. I would much rather see video broadcasts recorded, grouped by topic/specific gear, so I can choose from a library of topics and avoid most of what doesn't apply to me and my interests. I would love the broadcast to stay on topic and on point. Watching a webcam of your office studio with a bunch of people talking about whatever (oh, this is great, that is great, this is awesome, don't you think this is awesome?, look at all these cameras, etc) doesn't interest me. I am left feeling as though I could waste 30mins of watching live video only to get about 30secs of info that might interest me.

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Daluke
By Daluke (4 months ago)

Would liked to have seen it. When will archived segments be available for viewing (if they're not already)?

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Jeff Keller
By Jeff Keller (4 months ago)

You can watch it here: http://www.creativelive.com/courses/dpreview-live

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Daluke
By Daluke (4 months ago)

Cool... thanks!

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57even
By 57even (4 months ago)

Nice job guys. Seeing you sitting there in front of all those cameras made me feel better about being a gear-head.

However my niece now has a serious crush on Barney. I think she's starting a fan club on Facebook.... ;-)

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siopold
By siopold (4 months ago)

I caught some of the rebroadcast and want to say thank you. There was a lot of helpful advice, both in considering a gift as well as getting back into the hobby. It was particularly interesting to see how much has changed and even how much hasn't, as I did all my "serious" photography on film and got away from it, mainly taking out my 35mm SLRs for special events and trips over the last few years while also using a digital point and shoot for snapshots. I might have to get a mirrorless system.

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gerard boulanger
By gerard boulanger (4 months ago)

Any way I can "close" the DPR live window?
Thank you.

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revio
By revio (4 months ago)

Barnaby B:
PLEASE articulate when you´re talking, and don´t talk aiming your face down to the table. It´s very hard to actually hear and "register" what you are saying. No other complaints! ;-)

(Im not having English as my native language, and i suppose many out there also are in my situation language wise. When listening to you it´s sometimes almost undecipherable, which is a bit sad...)

With kind regards, from Sweden
revio

Edited:
Well, I have to say it got better after a while, thanks! Also easier now to hear what Richard B is saying, thank you too!

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Andrea Georgia
By Andrea Georgia (4 months ago)

I have to say that I didn't have that problem, understanding Barnaby.

I'm German, but have been living in the US and now the UK for years, which probably helps. Barnaby is using sophisticated language and expressions different from American English. This may be part of the problem. Remember that these people are not professional TV presenters, but writers and technology experts. I thought that they did a very good job after overcoming their initial shyness.

Looking more a bit into the camera may have been nice, but I actually liked the fact that they were not slick and overly emotive.

The conference hosts certainly made up for any lack of TV professionalism, but to my taste they veered too much into an overly excited infomercial presentation style (sadly also to be found in many US news channels). I looked at one of their own web-courses, and have to say that I found its vapid commercialist hype totally nauseating, had to tune out quickly. Hope dpreview stays away from this style!

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Corkcampbell
By Corkcampbell (4 months ago)

Is this going to be offered for free by the Creative Live website? Right now it says "Enjoy this free workshop!", but they could just be referring to the rebroadcast going on now. I keep missing the first segment because of my schedule.

Sorry, just saw a reply below that says it will be archived and available.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (4 months ago)

And it's now available here: http://www.creativelive.com/courses/dpreview-live

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (4 months ago)

I watched bits of the webcast live and then upon rebroadcast.

Good information in a relaxed setting.

Very nice effort by the DPR team for a maiden project. I hope to see more in the future.

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Rambalac
By Rambalac (4 months ago)

Why share and video quality are in chinese?

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Torsten Hoff
By Torsten Hoff (4 months ago)

Is anyone else having a problem with the video overlay for DPReview Live on the main page appearing on top of the menus? The menus slide under the video overlay as I hover on different items, so I can't click on most of them.

As a workaround I select any arbitrary menu item, and once the browser navigates away from the main page, I access the menu again and go where I wanted to go in the first place.

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mailman88
By mailman88 (4 months ago)

yes...

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (4 months ago)

Oh what a treat for us camera-geeks, guys! To see the dpreview people and to have these great guest stars! I watched it live at work and now I am watching it again for the 2d time! How about you guys do it at least once a year, and maybe twice a year???? Everyone did a great job. Congratulations!

By the way, no Otus on hand? You guys out of all people should have at least one sample!

Also how about for the next time, show us some really expensive gear, like Leica 50 0.95 and other things most people have never seen in person.

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redhed17
By redhed17 (4 months ago)

Just finished catching up to the point I started watching after getting in from work, and I have to say I enjoyed it. The studio lighting section in the middle felt a bit out of place, but I found so much of the focus (no pun intended) on CSCs and other cameras like the Sony Q series disappointing, but unsurprising. It was said during the broadcast CSCs don't match up to DSLRs in terms of sales, but the variety and push from manufacturers and reviewers in camera mags and sites like DPReview, to some extent, see CSC cameras as a means to boost flagging camera sales, which is in every seller and reviewers best interest. The market seems to be saying that those who were interested in in the concept have pretty much got it, and the sales falling faster than DSLRs seem to back that up, even with all the various CSC options.

Hopefully there will be more similar types of event from DPReview. I thought the staff did a great job, and displayed a v good level of knowledge in a relaxed style.

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onlooker
By onlooker (4 months ago)

Ah... talking heads... cool. And no fast forward. ;)

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also el
By also el (4 months ago)

only caught about 15 minutes but well impressed by the effort. so much info to cover in little time. i agree with segaman that this type of live or recorded video forum would be a great way to review specific cameras, lenses, and gear. hands on live and fielding questions from members online.
(and who was that cute mute girl in the middle?)

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Segaman
By Segaman (4 months ago)

Great, finally we get to know some staff, and its interactive!
Can't wait for gear review that way!
Keep it up!

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BRPWS
By BRPWS (4 months ago)

Okay I apologize. As you moved on to other cameras you gave a good talk on Fuji and how they continue to upgrade older models through firmware upgrades. Thank you.

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BRPWS
By BRPWS (4 months ago)

I do not think you gave the Fuji x cameras a fair shake. You kind of breezed right by it and jumped to the Nikon J1.

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Phil Askey
By Phil Askey (4 months ago)

Nice job peeps.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (4 months ago)

Thanks, Phil. Hope you enjoyed it.

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Philly
By Philly (4 months ago)

Phil, I was just thinking during the live broadcast that dpreview should have had you there and interviewed you, to get your thoughts on the cameras today and the future trends.

I'm not sure what you're up to nowadays, but I am sure all of the old timers would have loved to see you.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (4 months ago)

Phil's current endeavor: http://www.zemotoring.com/

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Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (4 months ago)

I thoroughly enjoyed it, but I haven't seen TV this geeky since the early days of MSNBC, when Soledad O'Brien chatted every day with virtual reality character Null Dev about computer software.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (4 months ago)

I didn't even know that was a thing. Wow. The 90s were a really strange decade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuRPNs3jTJ8

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Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (4 months ago)

I see I got his name backwards. It was Dev Null.

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marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

On a Unix system, Dev Null (/dev/null) is a special file that discards all data written to it, but provides no data to any process that reads from it, kind of like a black hole. So the character's name is an inside programming joke.

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John Rettie
By John Rettie (4 months ago)

Jolly good show chaps!

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DPReview Staff
By DPReview Staff (4 months ago)

Thanks John! T'was a lot of fun.

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Anfy
By Anfy (4 months ago)

Great, great to see you live after all these years (and to understand perfectly those british accents, on a lesser degree other inflections :-) ), but - as others have pointed out - who's who?

Ciao!

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todo pana
By todo pana (4 months ago)

why live...? why don't you link it to youtube so that we can watch what we want when we want? this just takes over the bandwidth and slows everything down.
unnecessarily forceful.

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

We are broadcasting live now, but the show will be archived for anyone wanting to watch in the future, so its the best of both worlds. Same amount of bandwidth live or on youtube once you press play.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

A bit ironic that SONY has such poor videoconferencing equipment for the video link (for Marc who couldn't be there).

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

This is actually the result of us using Skype to conference in our guests, nothing they can do to improve the quality.

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Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (4 months ago)

Good sound or not, I wish he’d been given a last minute to explain why mirrorless cameras aren’t selling as well as technology experts think they should. The answers from the Samsung and Ricoh reps rang true, but I would have liked to hear Sony’s take on it too.

This part of the video is very interesting, though.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

@Samuel: the mirrorless that aren't selling well are the Nikon-1 and understandably so. and the Sony a7 siblings are already putting a lot of pressure on Canon and Nikon who just wouldn't let go of mirror boxes for the larger sensors and were delaying as much as possible the release of their replacement mirrorless lines. That is a tactic to maximize profits, and cash in on planned obsolescence as much as possible, that may turn against them. Sony has everything to gain here, and canikon have everything to lose, because they'd have to "admit" that mirrorless is a natural evolution of the camera... staying in denial helps propagate ignorance and benefits them. I say that it may turn against them, because this is a significant opportunity that Sony is seizing to gain mindshare and market share, by embracing technology more readily, and doing it in a very smart fashion.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (4 months ago)

I often think Sony & Fuji are being bold innovators but realistically, they don't have a choice.

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marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

> Sony a7 siblings are already putting a lot of pressure on Canon and Nikon who just wouldn't let go of mirror boxes for the larger sensors

Have you actually looked at something like Amazon's "Top 100 Digital Cameras"? Not a single CSC to be found anywhere in the list. The idea that Canon and Nikon have to change ANYTHING because of the A7 or any other mirrorless camera is one that doesn't match the reality of camera sales in 2013 at all.

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JustDavid
By JustDavid (4 months ago)

marike6: "Not a single CSC to be found anywhere in the list."

And so you think America and Amazon is the only and representative market of the world? Take look at here: http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008.html
This is based on actuall sales, not views or clicks. Japanese market is a whole differrent story.
Now, I am a DSLR chap, but you have to admit that CSCs do sell, be it outside the US.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (4 months ago)

Hey DPR staff, great job! I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Just when you finish a sentence, don't lower your voice, it weakens the statement that you're trying to make and is kind of hard to hear in the studio anyway.

Ballsy first effort. Except Simon.

Simon, a FOURTY-FIVE minute break? C'mon, why don't you keep those people chained to their desk and serve them a bowl of gruel served in tin plates carelessly, yet passive-aggressively spooned in by a lady named Helga?

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Eugene CH
By Eugene CH (4 months ago)

I would have like to see also the name of participants. Perhaps on the table in front of all the stuff. The connection to the "Chat" is not very brilliant. Thank you ALL for performance. Eugene

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

Thank you for the tactful intelligent answers to "why sin by not including a viewfinder" type question. Some people just want it all at the price of the cheaper product, choosing to ignore that their favourite manufacturer DOES offer a camera model for them with that VF, but they'd rather complain about every model that doesn't have one.
These columns are just poisoned by people with bad attitudes - a bit like religious fanatics who just won't let others live in a different way than they want to impose them to.

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TLD
By TLD (4 months ago)

For goodness sake lift your heads up and talk to the camera!!!

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

It's hard when you have so much gear in front of you! ;)

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washyshots
By washyshots (4 months ago)

Nice positive feedback by TLD very encouraging - I'm sure they will learn a lot !!!!!

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (4 months ago)

I would be showing the whites of my eyes, slinking in the shadows, caressing metal things while quietly whispering "my precious" in a sinister tone.

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DPReview Staff
By DPReview Staff (4 months ago)

Those weren't our instructions, but it's also important to remember we're writers by choice, so some of us are taking a big risk just walking on stage. When you're used to being behind the lens as a photographer and being able to carefully choose your word as a writer, speaking glibly in front of the lens and lights is a challenge, to say the least. Thanks for the feedback though. We'll learn.

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Prairie Pal
By Prairie Pal (4 months ago)

Just imagine we're all naked to put yourself at eeze.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (4 months ago)

We were naked from the waist down. Awkward wrap party.

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TLD
By TLD (4 months ago)

The wide camera was positioned too high, so was looking at the top of your heads even before you leaned into the gear table. The CU camera could have moved between BCU and MCU while the wide camera was active. Then you wouldn't have been trying to do two jobs with the wide camera. How big was the crew? was anyone directing the camera operators?

It's way harder to present than most folk realise. Your tongue swells up and ties itself in a knot. So well done guys. And edited highlights would be nice for the archives.

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Jen Yates
By Jen Yates (4 months ago)

So you either watch it live... or you can't watch it at all? Really??? That's the best you could do?

It's 2013 guys. Timeshiftimg, VOD, catch up TV - they're all 'a thing' now.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (4 months ago)

Calm down, you'll be able to replay and everything will be archived.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (4 months ago)

I was watching the first segment and I liked seeing the people working for DPR in flesh instead of "Amazon cyborgs" often portrayed here. Good show!

I think that Allison's perspective on GM1 was priceless from practical point of view. Quite a contribution in better understanding the today's high expectation from best compact systems in a small form factor.

I would also like to see more of Shawn Barnett who was modestly unassuming during the broadcast. Hopefully, next time around.

All in all I think that this is a great initiative and should be by any means continued. Thank you!

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tom1234567
By tom1234567 (4 months ago)

Hi all
Your doing a great job,
as I live in the U.K. what's the best time to tune in live
and watch from the beginning.
Will you be recording the live view so we can catch up on what we miss
Cheers
Tom G

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

Hi Tom, we're about to start the 3rd segment in 15 minutes, 1:15 PST, which will run for 90 minutes roughly. We will then begin a re-broadcast of the entire show immediately after.

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Horshack
By Horshack (4 months ago)

Well done dpreview crew. My only quibble was the lack of nudity.

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Jeff Keller
By Jeff Keller (4 months ago)

There's still time!

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (4 months ago)

No there isn't!

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dyoon153
By dyoon153 (4 months ago)

As if all those cameraporn is not enough already..?!?! :P

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neo_nights
By neo_nights (4 months ago)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

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Digitall
By Digitall (4 months ago)

Congrats to the project, realy very nice to look at and continue to this very good idea, some less formal presentation in studio is a nice idea, I know that being in real time in front of the cameras is somewhat uncomfortably, but must take a more laid back attitude, maintaining the objective of the project. Keep the good work! oh I love that table :)

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intruder61
By intruder61 (4 months ago)

looking good.

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Markol
By Markol (4 months ago)

I am usually very critical of this site and the direction it has taken since amazon bought it.
But I can only congratulate you on this project. Sure, the staff isn't used to be on camera but they are doing really well. Good selection of cameras, good host, good stream quality, very enjoyable and interesting.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

I concur. You guys are doing amazingly well, especially considering it's in real-time.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (4 months ago)

Thanks! It's a lot of fun, we appreciate the kind words.

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alendrake
By alendrake (4 months ago)

Yes, really great job! Thanks so much to folks at DPReviews!

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Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (4 months ago)

I'm a pretty experienced photographer, but I don't think those presentations were too elemental for me. Sure, I knew a lot of that already, but it was instructive to see the DPReview staff actually handling and responding to the cameras. It's one thing to read a review and another to see a gleam in the eyes when the photog picks up the camera.

I also was reminded along the way of a couple of things I know, but which I forgot to include in my shopping decision. I'm in the market for a new system and this helped. Thanks, DPR

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SirSeth
By SirSeth (4 months ago)

I've been reading your writing for over a decade and it's great to see your faces and hear your personal reactions to the topics. Great balance on DOF questions.

I'm sure the first time up is quite a rush. Good on you and have a great time. Thanks for doing this, and I'm off to work hoping to catch the rest of the show later on.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

Some of us would just love to have a compact, affordable, black&white camera.
Imagine one of the enthusiast compacts, with a modest-sized sensor, and the quality it would produce without the filter array in front of it.
Something with a 1" sensor, or one of the Fuji 2/3"
Doing B+W with a color sensor is just too grainy.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

I don't see the pertinence of the Nikon1 system, for two reasons:
Olympus offers some very small MFT cameras with a much much larger sensor, and Sony has the RX100ii that really takes away from the need for the 1-system. If you are going to talk about the 1 system, why not talk about the waterproof version? That definitely fills a much needed niche.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

you guys just showed the panasonic gm1... which further proves my point

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BrianSA
By BrianSA (4 months ago)

This was pretty awful. I stood about half a minute of the rubbish presentation. The video is disjointed, stopping after about 5 seconds and waiting for the download to catch up. This happened every 5 seconds, so made it almost impossible to watch. Pausing it, unlike professionally run video sites, did not allow the whole video to down load in order that I could watch it seamlessly.

Completely pointless. Even the little I was able to see seemed to be aimed at 9 year olds.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (4 months ago)

it's a live stream, so it can't 'download the whole video'. As for your other comment, seems a little unfair after watching for 'half a minute'

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

Brian, we're sorry the streaming wasn't working too well for you. That's one of the pain points of streaming video, it is difficult for us to control the quality for all our viewers. Thanks for giving it a shot and for the feedback.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

You seem to have a bad internet connection, friend.
I'm watching it, and it is flawless.

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SLRBGNR
By SLRBGNR (4 months ago)

Yes, I had no interruptions whatsoever here in Toronto. I thought the presentation was very well done. To the participants, thank you very much!

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dyoon153
By dyoon153 (4 months ago)

I'm just glad you didn't watch the whole. I can imagine you'd just rant even more about it. Blame your ISP, not these guys.

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Don Kiyoti
By Don Kiyoti (4 months ago)

Brian, invest in a better internet connection, and maybe some laxatives too.

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TN Args
By TN Args (4 months ago)

I won't be looking, thanks, the whole idea of websites delivering a sequential information flow that is controlled by the presenter not the viewer who has to wait for it as it comes, is like a TV paradigm that, for me, the whole point of the internet is to circumvent.

I do find it very annoying to see all the DPR staff happily popping in for comments in the comments section of this article. Annoying because they are so rarely seen in the comments sections of articles generally, even when the content of articles is under strong discussion. Pick up your game, boys and girls, and put your time into ALL the articles and their follow up, not just this one.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (4 months ago)

this simply isn't true, we respond to comments on pretty much all articles.

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TN Args
By TN Args (4 months ago)

Then pop over to the GX7 review comments and sort out the utter debacle over the scoring of the camera compared to the deficient E-P5 with blurry images and no EVF at all, and the E-M5 with zero connectivity and no flash and poor video (still a current model, so GX7 score should be relative to its).

Start with my comments, don't be shy.

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DPReview Staff
By DPReview Staff (4 months ago)

Sure, I'll bite. It's a review. It's not a math problem. The scores add up to what they do. Then we assign an award based on the experience. That you didn't like the outcome is not a surprise. It's what we thought of the camera. We had it here, and we've handled hundreds of cameras. If you don't value that opinion, that's okay. There are other review sites that will glow about every camera they encounter with impressive specs. Go check them out. That we didn't score it highly as you like does not mean it's not a great or usable camera; we just didn't like it as much as you'd like. It's our job to be honest about what we think. It is not our job to please every reader.

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TN Args
By TN Args (4 months ago)

Thanks for biting, Shawn. But you are still avoiding the issues I raised. How on earth does this camera get the same score as an Olympus camera that inexplicably causes unexpected BLURRINESS IN STILL IMAGES!??! And that has NO EVF AT ALL!??! And POOR VIDEO??!!!
Think about it.

Also, The EM5 which is awarded Gold and is its category winner in your 2013 awards this week, has zero connectivity (a big issue for pros and semi pros, and even the general modern person), and no inbuilt flash (clip-ons, oh please), and poor video (just like you rated the E-P5 video), and a poor grip (or a large and expensive vertical grip that renders the camera NOT SMALL AT ALL).

It makes one wonder whether the reviewers pick the camera up for the first time, heft it, look at it, and say "hmmmmmm.......................nup!" Then proceed to piece together what they imagine to be an unbiased review.

You guys can't pretend you have a blank sheet for each score and think WE don't compare them! Time to confess.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

I'm just curious as to why you guys blatantly refuse to talk about Samsung.
Your owners Amazon sell the line. They have some nice value models in MILC.
For example, the NX20 competes with the other MILC, offers better resolution than most models (just not Sony nex7), and they have some very nice lenses! I'm just totally in love with the new 45mm f1.8
They have their faults, of course. But in terms of bang for the buck... last year I paid $400 for an NX20 (body). Compare that with the $800-$1500 for other MILC cameras with as much controls, tilt screen, viewfinder (and most often 16mp instead of 20mp).

PS: mind you, in all fairness, I get it, that you can't cover every camera. but you did include samples from every manufacturer except that one.

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

We definitely are not avoiding Samsung, we've even invited them today to be a part of our panel discussion so stay tuned in! I think the reality is that there is a crowded and competitive market and not every camera gets the spotlight.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

That's great! I'm looking forward to that. :-)
That will be a nice change from the website's tradition.
Fact is, you have people who will pay any price for a more durable and finely refined Mercedes, and you have those that are seeking bang for the buck (especially with things being obsoleted so fast). And Samsung fits in to the latter category. You need to cater to what the people want, or lose traffic.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

Did I miss that? Turned my sound off during the 15min break and forgot to check back. Plus I can't stay in front of PC all the time.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (4 months ago)

it's on after lunch - and you'll be able to watch the recording after the event.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (4 months ago)

First impression: Like it!

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JohnEwing
By JohnEwing (4 months ago)

Good luck indeed.

But folk who visit DP Review are generally quite knowledgeable about photography, so do we really need to have all that elementary stuff in "Product roundups..." explained? I watched for two minutes then went elsewhere.

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

We'll be working our way up through the classes and experience levels, but we do have to speak to the products and technology in a manner that doesn't assume too much about the viewer's familiarity with the gear. Either way, thanks for the feedback John!

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

When you look at some of the comments and discussions, I think it's great for some of the site's visitors.
And the timing with Christmas is no coincidence.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (4 months ago)

Good luck, DPR staff! (Or 'break a leg' as appropriate.)

Sounds like a new challenge.

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Corkcampbell
By Corkcampbell (4 months ago)

Does anyone know when this will be rebroadcast? I am in Seoul and won't be able to see it at 2:00 AM, although will give a try. Creative Live usually rebroadcasts directly after the live event same day, but I would also miss that. Will it be broadcast a third or more times?

I checked Creative's website but couldn't find the info.

Thanks for any help; really looking forward to this and also really support the idea.

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Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (4 months ago)

We are going to begin a re-broadcast immediately after the first broadcast finishes. It may run long or short, but we're aiming for 3:00 PM PST.

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DC Akowua
By DC Akowua (4 months ago)

Great Idea.
Will this be achieved for some of us who would miss it to check it out later?

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DPReview Staff
By DPReview Staff (4 months ago)

Archived, yes, I believe that's the plan.

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