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Sony Alpha 7 test scene samples added to first impressions review

By dpreview staff on Nov 22, 2013 at 01:32 GMT
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We've updated our first impressions review of the Sony Alpha 7 with our studio test scene showing image quality for both JPEG and Raw files, making it easier to see the differences between it and its sister model, the Alpha 7R. The new scene also offers downloadable Raw samples of both daylight and low light scenes. As always, you can compare the A7 to the increasing number of cameras in our test scene.

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Total comments: 88
pfzt
By pfzt (5 months ago)

i don't know about you guys but every time i take a look at the dpreview test scene tool, i only want that Phase One Back and nothing else. No other camera can keep up with it and that is just test charts, the real life performance may be even better. i want it!

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

some people say 8 MPix is all what they want,
while some others want D800 x 4.

1 upvote
compositor20
By compositor20 (5 months ago)

Could Dpreview Staff confirm if they used LE-A4 version? If so, the disappointing results at iso 12800 compared with nikon d610 are explained. If they used the le-a3 adapter then its really a disappointment.

0 upvotes
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

You should look at alot of review website not just here in dpreview. One site here does not help you to decide. You must try other like image resource and ephotozine as well. Image resource has comparometer for it. Its helpful there too. So just keep looking at every review website before you make your own conclusion. Thats the best way to do so.

0 upvotes
Kwick1
By Kwick1 (5 months ago)

Am I the only one that absolutely hates the new test scenes? So dark, drab. Tough to find areas to compare easily.

8 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

I really think they are better. The flatter field means less depth of field issues, and the natural light is much more realistic for many users, and the print size is much more meaningful for comparing differing resolutions.

4 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (5 months ago)

No.

0 upvotes
oohaah
By oohaah (5 months ago)

I miss the globe.

3 upvotes
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

They should do both old and new studio scene. Old studio scene good for detail in 3D dimension so you can tell how good lens can perform over that and plus how good sensor can do over that. While the new studio is good as it is flat field. So it will show how good sensor can intercept while how good can lens do to that.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

there are many things that could be improved, like the aspect ratio issue that the current scene introduces large error, also the objects with fine details should be placed nearer to the center for sensor test (the borders are more for lens tests, including micro lenses).

0 upvotes
slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (5 months ago)

I like the fact that the new scene it is physically flat, but I miss the highlight parts and deep shadows of the old one. The new scene is unfortunately flat also when it comes to light. I find that with the old one the differences between cameras were easier to spot.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

some light sources (laser) and shining glass/metal sounds good, more helpful for lens tests (like the recent Nikkor 58/1.8G or Otus 55/1.4).

the current scene is too flat for lenses though.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
hobopelican
By hobopelican (5 months ago)

i love reading the reviews, but yea, the comments are even more entertaining. i came to the conclusion long ago that the entire world of photography is utterly subjective. it really doesn't matter which manufacturer comes out with whatever new camera, the comments will say it sucks or it's awesome or why didn't they add this?? as a professional photographer, or an amateur or enthusiast or whatever, you can spend your entire life chasing the newest cameras. or you can buy the most that YOU can afford and make it work. in my opinion, most use the camera as a tool to get a job done, much like an auto mechanic uses a wrench. TRUE artists can paint a canvas w/ a Leica or a point-and-shoot or a full frame or an APS-C...
lastly...i think Sony is making Nikon and Canon lovers a bit uncomfortable. the A7 and A7r are serious beasts.

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25 upvotes
mediman30
By mediman30 (5 months ago)

Just three words... Well done Sony!

11 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

So funny listening to people's viewfinder battle. Are any of you really trying to convince the other side of something? It's like yelling at clouds.

22 upvotes
rfsIII
By rfsIII (5 months ago)

I wish this system had a DOUBLE-like. You've said it perfectly.

0 upvotes
wakaba
By wakaba (5 months ago)

And still a prism is better than lcd and liveview. Addin that Sony lenses are about 30% worse on lpi than the Nikons you end up with garrish overcorrected sensor output, less lightsensitivity and and an image of your viewfield rather than the field of view with a prism. Output of Canon and Sony sucks.

Double dislike.

So no sell, Sony, this is a dumb product with featuritis rather than decent engineering solutions.

3 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

Sounds like Wakaba missed soup time today at the old folks home.

24 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

There are no sides. And it isn't a battle. Like it, buy it. Don't, don't.

4 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (5 months ago)

"So funny listening to people's viewfinder battle. Are any of you really trying to convince the other side of something? It's like yelling at clouds."

It's called a discussion. One person has one opinion, and someone else has another one. Quite incredible that you haven't come across different viewpoints before really.

5 upvotes
DFPanno
By DFPanno (5 months ago)

You missed his point. Try it again.

5 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

You give an opinion on lenses and compare them, while on any A7 or NEX, you can use all of them. I had many brands, and I still have, Nikon, Fuji, Pentax, Zenza Bronica, Voigtlaender. But all in all, Sony A -E mount sytem rocks, and in compatibility only other mirrorless hold the road with it due to adpater possibilities, but not in FF. In FF Sony is not to beat, and wait the new dslr to come. Now EVF is a shared opinion, I would like all cameras to have it, it is fast, you see what you get, including noise. Saying that an OVF is better is just stupid, it's different. You have to follow trends, stop living in caves.

2 upvotes
Ralf B
By Ralf B (5 months ago)

@Hugo
"The only way they can make cameras smaller is by putting a hideous EVF in place of the lovely OVF." The EVF lovers use similar language. You call that a "discussion"? Cane nailed it with his observation.
So, now go back on your part of the clouds that are yelled at and yelled from.

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1 upvote
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

EVF obsolete the OVF by long distance. OVF does not have peak focus aid etc. You complained about EVF nonsense refresh rate. It is absolutely rubbish and irrelevant. EVF is useful for the peak focus, got absolutely nothing to do with refresh rate. If you want better refresh rate, use viewfinder instead of looking through EVF and quit whinging/whining like a dog. OVF has very long been irrelevant ever since. EVF came in years ago. It still in use today. And remember, mirrorless camera does not qualify for OVF because of missing the prism whatever that is. So it must have EVF to go with it.

2 upvotes
Ralf B
By Ralf B (5 months ago)

@naththo
thanks for delivering another proof of Cane's point. Now continue yelling.

3 upvotes
imsabbel
By imsabbel (5 months ago)

Interesting. They are REALLY sharp, but you can see aliasing in the siemens stars...

0 upvotes
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Take RAW images, problem solves. You can adjust your own way with sharpness/contrast/saturation later on in photoshop or lightroom.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

DPR, are you going to fix your tests (or is it widget?) anytime soon? Why at ISO12,800, daylight RAW A7 and A7r are showing f/5.6 1/6400s while D610 shows f/5.6 1/4000s? And 25,600 is 1/8000 at the same f/5.6, far from 1 stop difference in exposure?

10 upvotes
Lab D
By Lab D (5 months ago)

They use adjustable lighting. For better or worse it is not the same for every camera and was dimmer for the D610. It does make it confusing.

1 upvote
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (5 months ago)

We do not use adjustable lighting until the very highest ISO (at which point it is reduced by a whole stop). Any differences in shutter speed are down to inaccuracies in ISO, aperture and shutter speed control and the inevitable inability to perfectly exposure match.

The plan was to note any files shot at with the reduced lighting level - I'll try to identify why this hasn't happened.

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1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

How about just use the same manual settings everywhere? We will see the differences in image brightness ourselves. The differences hidden behind the i button are just confusing and frankly make your whole database useless. If I want shooting at 1/1000s to stop motion and f/5.6 for DoF, what I will get is what I will get. Don't try to adjust it for me.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

should not rely on camera ISO. illuminance can be controlled by moving the lights from the target, on rails.

0 upvotes
Asylum Photo
By Asylum Photo (5 months ago)

Aperture and ISO across cameras/lenses don't always perfectly line up.

1 upvote
D200_4me
By D200_4me (5 months ago)

Seems to have slightly more noise than the D610 at high ISO raw, but just barely. Either way, looks excellent, like most modern full frame cameras at 6400.

0 upvotes
Polytropia
By Polytropia (5 months ago)

Having handled a preproduction A7, I must say, it's quite light with the kit lens. It feels no heavier than my OM-D E-M1, though I have to say, I for one won't be giving up my E-M1, even after handling the A7.

I think the A7 is fantastic, don't get me wrong. Many people will buy it and love it. I was very impressed with it!

But considering the largest print I've made was a 144"x133" off of the 10mp E-3, and it looked great, I personally do not generally need 24mp or 36mp.

But I can't imagine life without E-M1's stabilizer. Once you've had it there's really no going back.

The 35mm sensor format, about which everyone seems to obsess, does not present any substantial advantages to me; I never, ever run into ISO noise issues with E-M1, and I have no issues getting the bokeh I want.

I constantly use E-M1's in-camera RAW development capabilities, multitudinous function buttons, touch-screen to set focus points, etc., all features the A7 lacks.

Sensor size is not a trump card for me.

7 upvotes
D200_4me
By D200_4me (5 months ago)

I know what you mean. In a few years when my D600 is due to be replaced, I'll likely move away from DSLR and go back to another Olympus m4/3 camera (had the E-M5 before). Or Fuji X. Just depends on what's available at the time....but the E-M5 files and the stabilization left me very impressed and wanting more.

0 upvotes
Polytropia
By Polytropia (5 months ago)

I suspect by that time we'll have flat silicon glassless nanotech lenses with 4x5 sensors behind them. Your whole camera will literally be the size of a pack of 4x5 Polaroid film. Gold nano-antennas will simply bend the light right into the pixels. We'll all laugh "haha remember lenses?" "Remember 'full frame'?" lol lol

2 upvotes
Lab D
By Lab D (5 months ago)

Detail looks very good as well as high ISO, but I am not seeing more than 1 stop difference between it an the EM1 for RAW. And since DxO says their reported ISO is very similar (going by the A7r), I'll take the EM1 and the faster lenses. I also agree with Polytropia. The A7 will be a great pleasure for some, but it lacks too much for me to even be considered.

1 upvote
Jogger
By Jogger (5 months ago)

how exactly are you assessing dynamic range from this series of photos to that level of precision?

1 upvote
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (5 months ago)

DXO "ISO's" do not directly reflect metering, which the results in the comparison widget above do.

Comment edited 23 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

I will need a stabilizer from the day on when I catch Parkinson. I grew up without, and with a heavy dslr I can shoot 1.5 seconds without any distorsion, and, I am 63. So, maybe when I reach 100.... who knows. In mirrorless it can be usefull since they are too light to keep them stable at long shutter speeds. But, since I have both, no problem. Now, for A7 there is a grip to add weight.

2 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (5 months ago)

No real drawback from more mp in high iso. I guess that with current technology a 48mp sensor would also be usable.

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

there used to be drawbacks twenty years ago. currently we have matural technology to make pixels at about 1.5 microns and sub-micron ones are on the way.

for 1.5 micron unit pixel, we can have 384 million on 35mm full-frame, which may still be not enough for talented people can always find ways to waste it (like dual-pixel AF, or RAM and SSD volume).

0 upvotes
Polytropia
By Polytropia (5 months ago)

Ultimately photography is, and always will be, about imagination, and having "the eye". It will always be about great lighting, noticing things, paying attention, being ready, seeing the moment. The iPhone proved you can have a 1/3.2" sensor and take amazing shots.

At the end of the day, it's a tool. I think the A7 makes a wonderfully light, quick, versatile tool for photography. If you prefer shooting in 35mm format, it gives you the only flip-out screen available with that sensor size. Using the built-in WiFi and a smart-phone as a remote controller you can take photos from any angle, even behind you.

How well will this camera be able to become an extension of your mind's eye? How will its design enhance your ability to make the image you want? This has largely to do with the interface, responsiveness, intuitiveness, control placement, options, etc. It's highly subjective too. I'm interested to see how people like it, after owning it for a few months. I'd love to try it too.

12 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (5 months ago)

The 24mp APSc in the D5300 would be scaled up to 56mp in FF.

0 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (5 months ago)

Pixel size is not a problem on dslrs as there are 20mp 1/2.3" bsi cmos sensors which you can extrapolate to over 600mp on FF. (which would be overkill. Polytropa of course photography is not about mega pixels, but sensors are. So when discussing gear it's not a strange subject to obsess about :p.

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0 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (5 months ago)

The only problem with more pixels is the room they take up on the hard drive! If this stupidity goees on we'll need a different laptop to store each photo on.

It isn't like it makes the pics any better, just bigger. How big do you need them to be for heavens sake? I've never printed larger than A3 and my 12mp D90 does that with quality to spare. It's marketing not photography.

2 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (5 months ago)

Not to mention the time it takes to transfer them and do backups with floppy discs.

Fast forward back to 2013....

1 upvote
Ron Poelman
By Ron Poelman (5 months ago)

Strange omission from test setup.
No blue eyes, four models, all dark pupils
and all at fairly low rez.
I would have thought the incredible detail in the human eye
wouldn't have been omitted from a modern Photography
test ?

7 upvotes
Polytropia
By Polytropia (5 months ago)

You didn't know DPReview is part of the anti-Aryan conspiracy?

6 upvotes
rfsIII
By rfsIII (5 months ago)

That's a disgusting idea because they would need to get a fresh eyeball every time they shot.... And where would they get these eyes? Graverobbing?

1 upvote
Volkan Ersoy
By Volkan Ersoy (5 months ago)

On RAW, there isn't much difference compared to D800/D610. On JPEG, Sonys shine.

Strange artifacts (on RAW), though. Check the gravure-like print on the middle-left. A7R, A7, D800 but D610 have moire-like effects on the top of the print. The wall behind the people is rendered much better with D610, while A7R and D800 are better in other details...

2 upvotes
Joerg V
By Joerg V (5 months ago)

So the JPEG engine in the Sony is better than the Nikon engine. That's no big deal.
The A7R seems to be a tad better in resolution than the D800 (which was to be expected) but only carefull pixelpeeping reveals that. That means, if you like that 36MP sensor and want to have a small body, the A7R might be the way to go. The native lens selection is limited though... using an adapter with a 36MP camera isn't the best idea.

2 upvotes
MayaTlab0
By MayaTlab0 (5 months ago)

Actually, there is one pretty significant difference in raw : in low light mode, the A7 / A7r exhibit higher purple / magenta shift in shadow areas.

0 upvotes
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Yes MayaTlab0 thats what worries me. I am wondering if the firmware of the image processing engine might be flaw for the raw images? As what you said is such a phenomenal one to me. So Sony need to issue fix for those raw for low light and high iso to minimise the purple/magenta shift.

0 upvotes
MayaTlab0
By MayaTlab0 (5 months ago)

I believe they can' fix this via firmware. I believe it's a question of sensor design / power supply / this kind of stuff (engineer anyone ?).

The D800 isn't better than the A7r, but the D610 clearly is better than the A7 in this particular conditions.

0 upvotes
TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (5 months ago)

It can in large part be corrected in the Adobe converter, similar to the corrections done in camera to the OOC jpegs which suffer noticeable less from the purple/blue shadows. See Camera Calibration box with Shadows Tint slider.

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2 upvotes
MayaTlab0
By MayaTlab0 (5 months ago)

The problem with the shadow tint calibration slider is that you can't manually select the tonality starting from which it will affect the picture. therefore you may alter the colour of mid tones to an extent that can't be corrected back. So to me it's rather unusable at the moment.

1 upvote
UnitedNations
By UnitedNations (5 months ago)

There goes my plans of getting any of the future Fuji X APS-C sensor Xtrans cameras. The Sony A7r & A7 here totally blows away even the RX1r & Fuji X-Pro1 on JPEG image processing & dynamic range(not only resolution)... This just shows how expensive the Fujis really are. Now that the A7 is out, Fuji will not be able to price their X-Pro1 or X-E2 & their future X lineup as high as they are doing now. Competition sure is a good thing for the consumers.

15 upvotes
Spectro
By Spectro (5 months ago)

yup competition is good. I was ready to get an x-e1 but these new cameras made me wait until probably next year becofe I can decide. But Sony lenses selection isn't that impressive (nex family) right now.

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0 upvotes
Woodlink
By Woodlink (5 months ago)

A7 shutter sound is a total fail.

Thing sounds like a car door closing…might be tough to use for street photography.

1 upvote
Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

Filling your hard drive with pictures if strangers is overrated anyway.

7 upvotes
Asylum Photo
By Asylum Photo (5 months ago)

The A7(r) is 2x the price.... you get what you pay for. Not sure why people are directly comparing crop sensor cameras to full frame. O.o

0 upvotes
spiderhunter
By spiderhunter (5 months ago)

It appears that Canon and Nikon are so complacent with their toaster-sized DSLRs that they are blind to what is going around them. They can reduce the size of things but they just don't do it. The song "the times they are a-changing" comes to mind. Sure, they still have their lion's share of the pro market but I feel Sony has rocked the boat. The Sony FF mirrorless are still not there yet when it comes to AF tracking abilities ( but great for non-action work) and battery life
but given time and more RD, they will get there. I hope the size of truly capable pro models will get lighter, not heavier.

Hand phones got lighter and smaller. The early models were gigantic by comparison. Compactness and portability is what manufacturers should aim for. Yes, there is a limit as to how small FF lenses can go but striving to reduce sizes and making things lighter are surely the way to go.

Go Sony, go! Show them the way!

11 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (5 months ago)

> Hand phones got lighter and smaller.

That's not a good example. In the last several years phones have gotten bigger and bigger, and now people complain how puny a 4" screen is.

6 upvotes
RudivanS
By RudivanS (5 months ago)

May well get the df, and hope that sweet pentaprism
proves worthy with focus.
I own a D4, and the proprietary Nikon sensor is very good.

0 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (5 months ago)

The only way they can make cameras smaller is by putting a hideous EVF in place of the lovely OVF. Not everyone thinks that progress is always a good thing. The pentaprism has stood the test of time as it's the best way of seeing what you are taking a picture of.

Every EVF I've looked through is like sticking my eye up to a cheap TV, doesn't it give you headache after a days shooting? Not to mention the reduced shooting experience in the first place....

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7 upvotes
Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (5 months ago)

Hugi808. I don't recognise that description of the EVF on my Sony A77. It's great. Not sure why it would give anyone a headache either. It doesn't use some poor low frequency pulse width modulation technology like you find on cheap LCD monitors.

So for me the EVF isn't the problem with the A7's. It is what they have had to sacrifice in the pursuit of very small FF bodies. The lens mount is narrow so that makes fast lenses hard to make. There is no in-body stabilisation. The battery is small which means not only fewer shots but GPS which I find very useful has gone.

Canikon as spiderhunter said may be complacent in producing toaster sized dslrs but Sony has had to leave out too much modern innovation such as IBIS and GPS to achieve what they did. I am sure some people won't miss these things but I find them very useful so in that sense these cameras are a retrograde step. And of course they use a different lens mount than my A77 so its a completely system anyway.

6 upvotes
lazy lightning
By lazy lightning (5 months ago)

I don't want a tiny camera with a big lenses, evf or have to mess with adapters. Thankfully Nikon is making what I want!

9 upvotes
Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (5 months ago)

@Hugo808 - Yet another one mouthing off without actually having tried it.

Its the same excellent one in the A99 (1 yr ago) & A77 (~2 yrs ago). Only goes to show how outdated ppl can be. Still clutching to yr sacred cow periscope-technology OVF invented more than a century ago for submarines & film eh?

The thing that only allows framing & guessing what the picture will look like?

Those using it know they'll NEVER go back to pentaprism/OVFs. U forget it's not an OVF because it's so real. I won't bother listing the whole laundry list of advantages but suffice to sum up the conceptual breakthrough.

Its about seeing EXACTLY what the sensor is seeing BEFORE the shot. Which in turn is EXACTLY what the image looks like in Photoshop. Sony OLED EVFs can do that. Not LCD EVFs in other crap.

Understand the implications? Nope, cos u're still chimping at the LCD display like a chimp. *Hint - Its truly real time image preview, not delayed-near-real-time-trial-&-error-shoot-1st-think-later-BS.

5 upvotes
le_alain
By le_alain (5 months ago)

Thankully, Nikon, Fuji, Epson, or Leica are (were for Epson) making what I want

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

It seems there will always be companies who insist on making money from traditional designs this while innovators like Sony don't make money from cameras. Wake up, Nikon & Canon! There's money to be lost and you're missing out on it.

1 upvote
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (5 months ago)

Dave Oddie, all I can say is, each to their own. I had a look at a Sony and hated the EVF in the usual way I have with the things. Seems like unnecessary technology to me, and they aren't anywhere near as pleasant to use as an EVF, maybe one day they'll be good enough for me but as of now if all cameras had them I would take up oil painting.

0 upvotes
RStyga
By RStyga (5 months ago)

Much better, much better than A7R... Thankfully, they still produce cameras WITH AA filters...

1 upvote
SirSeth
By SirSeth (5 months ago)

Good work DPR folks. Thanks. My opinion is that the D800 kills at retaining detail and low noise at high ISO in the test scene, but the A7 is a small miracle for the size though. All current cameras are just so so good. Flame wars will continue, but there is a lot of splitting hairs.

9 upvotes
jonmay
By jonmay (5 months ago)

and the hairs are getting finer and finer

5 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

Great quality. I can see Nikon and Canon sh****** their pants now. Thank you Sony for giving us an alternative.

7 upvotes
samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

I don't know if canon or Nikon are "sh*tting their pants", but I'm sure they're paying attention.
People have been screaming for a small FF camera for years, (especially when Leica released the M9 & showed us how small a camera with a FF sensor can be).

Nikon & Canon have ignored the people's constant pleading for a compact FF, as they seem to do with most products. They're terrible listeners. Hopefully this camera lights a fire under their ass.
This camera will sell well, but lack of OVF and serious lenses leave a lot to be desired.
Whomever brings out a well built compact FF with an OVF & native lens mount will clean house. Bigtime.
If I had to bet on who will be first... I'd have to go with Pentax. Then Fuji.
Nikon would probably be more likely to bring one out before Canon, but both will be a late to the party.

4 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

Honestly, that OVF thing is way overrated and don't forget that EVF will only get better and better, not to mention that EVF will allow focus peaking with non Sony lenses. When it comes to lenses that is very much personal. I need a nice "normal" and it's there from the start. A good wide angle zoom, no faster then F4 will do for me and a F4 or 2.8 24-70 covers my needs perfectly. Sony gives me that from the get go.
I used to be a Nikon guy until my D600 started to spew oil oil (or whatever it was) and I got shafted by Nikon and their total denial of issue just to release same camera with propper shutter a year after I bought my D600. Then I sold D7000 and D600 together with all the lenses. One can say I voted with my wallet and I will NEVER spend a dime on their products again, I would rather give up photography. Nikon's leaders are just to old, to dumb and way to arrogant towards their customers in my point of view.

28 upvotes
makofoto
By makofoto (5 months ago)

Nikon refunded my pro buddy for his D600 after he sent it in for the fourth time to have the sensor cleaned

1 upvote
photo nuts
By photo nuts (5 months ago)

OVF vs EVF issue is really not overrated. I used the EM5 with EVF for a year and concluded that I hated the EVF even though the camera was fully capable of producing great images. EVF will never have the same dynamic range, brightness and colors as OVF.

9 upvotes
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Yeah but having peak focus through EVF is much helpful especially for my poor eyesight.

10 upvotes
stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

(in a silent way) A mirrorless will never have an OVF.

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2 upvotes
naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Correct stevens37y!

0 upvotes
Emacs23
By Emacs23 (5 months ago)

@photo nuts
DR and colors issues of EVF are not relevant IMO: you'll end up with camera DR and colors anyway, not these you see in OVF
Personally, I'm really annoyed with OVF vs final result difference in DSLRs, not to mention the huge difference in OVF's DOF preview which usually differs too much from the final result. Plus, the DR issue is highly overrated: once you don't see a subject in shadows, there's something wrong with your choice: it won't be seen good enough in final result: you can pull it up in PP, sure, but it won't look nice anyway compared to the case it would be properly highlighted. Overall, EVF is MUCH better TOOL for most kinds of shooting (with the only exception is some cases where you need as low latency as possible, some kinds of birding, some kinds of sports).

8 upvotes
Preternatural Stuff
By Preternatural Stuff (5 months ago)

@samhain - OVF whiner eh? Small FF with an OVF is an oxymoronic statement (contradiction in itself).

You guys juz don't get it.

*Hint -
1. Look inside Sony OLED EVFs on the A7/7R, RX, A99/A77.
2. Turn on all or some of the following:
- Pitch & Level real-time indicators
- focus peaking
- rule-of-third/square/rectangle grid lines
- real-time HISTOGRAM
- press depth of field preview
- point up at the bright sky (highlights), then down at the ground (shadows)
- shoot video like a pro thru the EVF, not like an amateur holding it at arms length
- review stills/video like deja vu in the EVF in bright noon sunlight in Omnimax sharpness.

*Hint 2 - No more
- tilted horizontals
- looking at silly [-3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3] exposure meters
- spot, partial, centre-weighted, matrix metering BS
- spending silly money on focusing screens for yr stupid OVF
- spending on silly massive eye cup over your LCD to shoot video like a pro
- shoot 1st, lower cam, chimp at LCD, bring up cam
- wanting OVF

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88SAL
By 88SAL (5 months ago)

Lol, shooting videovideo like a pro on a non cinema camera. Industry pros still use real cameras. Hoorah for the DF and its deliberable decision to disable the Video. Cameras for stills is not a bad thing. So please dont bring 'pro' into it.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Definitely Preternatural Stuff. Thats what it is about for EVF!

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