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Adobe expands Photoshop and Lightroom offer

By dpreview staff on Nov 21, 2013 at 16:45 GMT

When Adobe announced a version of Creative Cloud for photographers in September, there was a catch -- you had to already own Photoshop CS3 or later to qualify for the special pricing.  

Now Adobe is lifting that requirement for a limited time. Through December 2, 2013, the $9.99 (£8.78/€12,29) per month subscription is available to everyone. The offer applies to the first twelve months' subscription, after which it will rise to the normal price of $19.99/month.

Signing up gives you access to:

  • Photoshop CC
  • Bridge CC
  • Lightroom 5
  • 20GB of cloud storage 
  • Behance ProSite

This time the catch is a one-year commitment that is billed monthly. 

Via: CNET, Source: Adobe

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luchs
By luchs (5 months ago)

The whole point about the subscription is: PS has everything you need and updates become less attractive since what they can add is only necessary to few. (Intelligent scaling ...?) So you have to rent the Software to make sure the shareholders get their pay.

In case you are worried about the Price just get PhotoLine (www.pl32.com) - it does most of what PS does and a lot of what InDesign does, too. Unlike Serif PhotoPlus, which is also nice, it also supports different color modes, such has HSL and Lab and runs on Windows, Mac and Linux with wine.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Never heard of PhotoLine to be honest, sounds good though, will check it out.

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Ph1ogiston
By Ph1ogiston (5 months ago)

So $9.99 translates to €12,29?

The $ must have almost doubled its value over night...

Just looked it up, well:
$9.99 is 7,37€
and even if we count 20% tax on it, then it is 8,84€

forget it, adobe

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Johan1967
By Johan1967 (5 months ago)

And after a year it will be more than 20 euro's/dollars and then you can't get rid of it because you already edited numerous pictures with this software.

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Felts
By Felts (5 months ago)

There's a lot of whinging and moaning about this (I realise I may get some backlash for this statement)...

£8.78 per month = £105.36 per year.
If they put their prices up next year to, say, a tenner = £120 per year.
The following year, maybe £12 = £144 per year.

So in 3 years you'll have paid £370 which is still just over half the price of CS6.

And you get LR5, storage etc., and all the subsequent updates as part of the package. I'm not sure I understand the negativity!?

And all this mention of greed... it's what companies do, try to make money.

If you want to sign up, great, enjoy the package. If you don't want to, also great... enjoy your other software programme.

It's made Photoshop affordable for me so I'm going to take the plunge! :-)

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (5 months ago)

You missed the points on cloud security, credit cards database being hacked recently.

For many the issue wasn't price, but still watch for later.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Felts, I can't speak for others but my own reason for giving Adobe a "GREED" tag is this:

Prior to this subscription crap, Adobe products were already insanely over-priced for hobbyist and casual users. Now though, not being content with such outrageous pricing, they have gone one step further:

Before, you at least got to keep the product after you'd spent such ridiculous amounts of money on it, but now, you NEVER get to keep it no matter how much you pay for it. You really need to sit back and think about that. The system is a greed-machine and that's all there is to it.

When you're expected to pay and pay and pay and NEVER own a thing, it's a greed-machine. If, on the other hand, the product became yours after you'd paid an amount equal to it's retail, that would be different.

They aren't going to do that, though, and guess why?

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rbbm
By rbbm (5 months ago)

Your absolutley right pumeco. A company who starts an offer in September until the 31st December and altering the offer in this period, cut it to the 2nd December and raising the price also, is not really trust worthy. They might double the price after a year.....

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Felts
By Felts (5 months ago)

But in 5 years when you'll have paid for the current CS6 price, you'd want to upgrade to CS7, CS8, LR6, LR7 wouldn't you? It's just a different way of paying for your product and it seems a cheaper way too...

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Yes, it does, but the problem is Adobe upgrades are never that significant and I might prefer to stick with whatever version I would be at.

Their system doesn't allow that, because there is no end to the payment even if you have covered the retail cost of the product.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Raist3d, then you might as well unplug your computer now, cancel all your credit cards, and pay cash for everything.

You are at risk anywhere, it so happens Adobe was targeted and a flaw was found. This has happened to many big fish. The positive from these hacks is their security and infrastructure become more secure having learned from their mistakes.

It is frustrating and annoying, but luckily that is why there are security measures put in by credit card companies and why you are not liable for unauthorized transactions.

I have been inconvenienced by Adobe, Sony, other sites, local stores with untrustworthy employees, etc. Sadly, it seems to be par for the course in today's world. Luckily, the companies who got hacked and my credit card companies both responded quickly to minimize/prevent any damage to me.

Each day they are making it tougher for thieves, but where there is a will there is a way. With enough determination they will always find a way to steal what they want.

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Brian Hedrick
By Brian Hedrick (5 months ago)

My model was to upgrade every other version since, as Pumeco stated, the "upgrades" were really not that significant. Under that model, I was paying less than this silly subscription model. I also do not trust the "cloud."

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Brian, is it really cheaper? If you start with one full version to start the upgrade process, that is $800-850 alone for CS6 Extended. Each upgrade after cost around $400. With Adobe releasing a new full version around every 18 months, that means you upgrade every 3 years.

Within the first 3 years you would spend $1200 just for Photoshop. Meanwhile, on a package like this I would spend $360 for the same 3 years. Within 6 years, I would spend $720 while you would spend $1600, 9 years I would be at $1080 and you would be at $2000. And to top it off, for my cost I am getting Lightroom too. If you threw in Lightroom to yours you would be at $950-$1000 to start, $1280 in 3 years, $1680 in 6, and $2080 in 9.

If Adobe over that period raises the price to $15/mo I would still spend less than you over 9 years at no more than $1620. How about $20/mo? That would be where we would be close to the same at $2160, if I paid $20/mo from day one. But at that cost I am always up to date.

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jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

I have a question here... you compared to CS6 extended.
Is PS CC equivalent to CS6 or CS6 ext?

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rbbm
By rbbm (5 months ago)

Where is the original offer from ADOBE for the existing customers? It should be valid until 31st December for 9.99/month. I can´t find it on the ADOBE website anymore (but I saw it there):

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/09/04/adobe-introduces-cheaper-creative-cloud-with-photoshop-and-lightroom

Any ideas?

Thanks
R.

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fauxtog
By fauxtog (5 months ago)

I seem to be one of the few who's actually happy about this. I had two Creative Cloud subscriptions (due to the number of computers I use Adobe stuff on), but the only thing I used on either of those subscriptions was Photoshop and Lightroom.

The functionalities of both are absolute necessities for me, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to learn anything else. There's the additional fear that I'll learn something else and find that it doesn't work for me after all (like I found with Aperture), compounding the wasted time.

I called Adobe to facilitate this, and was charged no cancellation fees (they were one-year commitments, subject to cancellation fees).

So, perhaps I'm in the minority, but this guy's happy to have transitioned both accounts to the Photography Program, and thus "save" $1017.60 per year compared to what I was paying...well, at least until they raise the Photography Program rates (which I wouldn't be surprised to see after the first year's up).

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (5 months ago)

No subscription...no monthly anything...period. I use photoshop CC..I do not pay for it...and I won't pay for it until it becomes Standalone and the price drops to something "sane"..thank you

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

You use it but don't pay for it. You are a thief.

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plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

@BaldCol

May not be a thief; perhaps s/he has access to someone else's computer.

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jimkahnw
By jimkahnw (5 months ago)

Don't criticize Adobe for creating a way to protect its investment. They employ an army of coders to build Photoshop and at one time PS was the most pirated software on the internet. Software as complex and powerful as PS is not free, and Adobe is entitled to make a profit, especially if it supplying tools that others use to make a profit. Hence the Creative Cloud business model.

As a professional user of Photoshop, I have always purchased the upgrades as they were released. I also use some of the other tools available from Creative Cloud, so the cost of the subscription is really a bargain, especially when compared with the prior prices of boxed versions. It's the cost of doing business.

Those users who would select less capable software, mostly out of spite, are giving up a competitive advantage.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

*Sniff* - Bloody hell, I hear violins!!!

You said yourself your're a "Professional", and that just about nails the difference here between the people who are ok with this business model and those that aren't. The reason you claim Adobe have this business model, doesn't hold water I'm afraid, and here's why:

If it was to prevent piracy then there is no reason WHATSOEVER that subscribers shouldn't be allowed to keep the packages they'd subscribed to once they had effectively paid an amount equal to what the retail package is worth. Hell, even I'd have subscribed if I'd been permitted to keep the product after I effectively paid for it.

Anyone with any sense can see the real reason this model exists...

GREED

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

Not GREED... PROFIT. They are a company and will seek to make as much profit as possible because that's why they exist. If, as many here believe, they ending up losing money because of this decision, they will change tack. However, despite all the hot air and vitriol being poured out here, I don't think they will lose money. The success of Office 365 suggests that in the real world people are happy with this approach. Microsoft still have standalone, non-expiring licenced versions of the software available but people still go for the rented version.
I was one of those who was unhappy when Adobe origianally announced that CC was the only option in the future but this offer, at sucha reasonable price, has made me rethink and, accepting that this model is the future, I have bought into it.
I also think that the nonsense about not being able to access your files is simple scaremongering. Don't save in PSD and you don't have a problem. Or do save in Psd and convert if you need to cancel.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

"Not GREED... PROFIT."

Yeah, or even "GREED for PROFIT"
Same thing.

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

Happy or left with no real choice?

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ageha
By ageha (5 months ago)

They don't employ an army of coders, I wish they would.

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

"Yeah, or even "GREED for PROFIT".

If you take that attitude any company that makes a profit is being greedy. I think the only system that might make you happy is called communism!

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

"Happy or left with no real choice"

Very happy. There's always a choice.

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

"They don't employ an army of coders, I wish they would."

Adobe employes over 9,000 people. They can't all be in marketing!

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

BaldCol, WRONG!

I have thousands of pounds worth of commercial software I've purchased, and every one of them was purchased because I was prepared to accept the price that was being asked for it.

I've nothing against paid software, I just have zero tolerance for blatant greed.

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

If you don't like the price being charged don't buy it. That's not greed its choice. PS used to be insanely expensive for amateur users. With this offer its not. Even if the price increases next year it will take 6-8 years before I will have paid the same as the full CS6 + Lightroom stand alone and all that time I will have had the latest version. Do some maths and stop whinging about greed.

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Andrew53
By Andrew53 (5 months ago)

It isn't the army of coders that annoys me. its the army of accountants, lawyers and MBAs.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

BladCol, I have no intention of buying it, and that's the point, neither are you, they won't let you buy a copy any longer because they've discovered the art of milking a constant stream of cash out of you instead.

At the end of the day, you will do what you want and I'll do what I want. But seriously, it's actually a very sobering thought when you consider that these companies are able to pull-in "adults" who should know better. I mean if you're a teen that has yet to the discover the pitfalls of this world, fair enough, but an adult should know better. I feel exactly the same about people who use Apple products; if you're a teen, fair enough, but if you're an adult, no, I think there has to be something majorly wrong there.

No matter what way you look at it there are better alternatives than taking out a subscription that will leave you with no purchased product at the end of it, but as that is what you want, go for it.

It'll cost you, not me.

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

I'm an adult. Not only that I am a charted accountant in charge of a £30m turnover company. I think I am capable of making financial decisions.

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plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

@jimkahnw

You are wrong.

Photoshop is not nor has it ever been the most pirated software.

That crown goes to Microsoft software both their Operating System (which sits on around 90% of personal computers in the world) and their word processing, spreadsheet and database packages; and of that lot, it's the Operating System and the word processor that take the lion's share of piracy.

Adobe have never produced any product as "popular" as those Microsoft products.

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BubbaHotepUK
By BubbaHotepUK (5 months ago)

I can envision a scenario where I sign up for a year at the current rate, and then Adobe jack up the subscription price. I choose to cancel my subscription (which incidentally you cannot do online, though you can sign up online). I'll then have a LR catalog that will be reliant on the latest version of LR.

Assuming Adobe still keep on releasing boxed versions of LR, I'd then have to go & buy the product full price just to carry on using my catalog.

If Adobe were to count the subscription as a lease, so that after say 15 months you get the current LR version DRM for ever, that actually might be an appealing prospect. You also have incentive to stick around subbing knowing that in another 15 months you get the next upgrade to keep.

Paying a subs with nothing to show for it strikes me as a bad deal for the consumer.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (5 months ago)

If you are making money from your images $10 a month is reasonable, but if you are a hobbyist, amateur or just enthusiast, then IMHO is best to invest in another SW e.g. Corel Paint Shop Pro or even PSE
For a photographer, LR is probably 90% of what you ever going to need, specially if you add some plugins like Nik Collection and Perfect Effects. They have the ability to add layers and blending. They also have some masks (not as powerful as PS) but adequate in most cases.
Trying CC and cancelling is not a realistic option, PS is not something that you learn overnight, it does take years. So when you cancel your sub, not only you are left with no SW, you are letting go many man-days of effort and learning. Why not put that effort into some other SW.... Corel PSP has layers, masks, blending modes, selections, etc.... you could use LR for ACR and then trigger Corel PSP for a single image editing.

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Danny
By Danny (5 months ago)

This is not about what is reasonable to pay each month. I am using PS professional, I make a living using PS, and yet I will never go for the Cloud option. It's not the money, it's the Cloud. If my CS5 wears out after a few years from now I'll go to the competition. By that time Pixelmator will most likely be on the same level, or Paint Shop Pro, whatever is available, I will avoid at all costs a system that forces me to pay money each month to rent a creative tool. I want to be free, and no software, how good it might be is ever going to take away my freedom. Screw them and their Cloud, we don't need them. They need us.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (5 months ago)

I am with you 100%. I can't bring myself to add yet another monthly bill ... I have the same plan, use PS CS6 until dies on my Win 7 PC (which I just built)....then go to either PSE or Corel PSP + Plugins. I will probably upgrade LR every 2-3 years until it goes the same route. I will then assess other alternatives out there. Eventually somebody will develop an ACR equivalent, that day ADBE can go to hell.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Well you two seem to have your head screwed on more than most here. The Corel product is extremely capable now, I used to use it myself but I thought even that wasn't a patch on the Serif product line.

- Serif Photoplus X6 is seriously powerfull for bitmap work
- Serif Drawplus X6 is seriously powerfull for vector work

http://www.serif.com/photoplus/
http://www.serif.com/drawplus/

Out of the paid products, I personally think those are the most capable alternatives to Photoshop and Illustrator. There's plenty of stuff on YouTube for learning them as well, they have some very nice workflow methods in those programs.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (5 months ago)

Pumeco, thanks for your "classy" contribution

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

You've tried those and you don't like them?
I was being serious, those are seriously powerful packages.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (5 months ago)

I have used Corel PSP in the past, I actually downloaded the X6 to give it a test drive now that is 64 bit. I know it is capable and I would use it, but it doesn't make sense for me while I have PS CS6, which has a lot more polished capabilities...e.g. when cloning, the brush will show exactly what you will be painting... it is this kind of refinement that gives PS the advantage TODAY. Corel can easily match those and grab the photographer segment, leaving the graphic designers to ADBE.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Semper, just to clarify, the X6 I'm talking about is the Serif product not the Corel product.

The links will take you to Serif, not Corel. Like I said, although I used to use the Corel product, I think the Serif product is better, it's slicker, more responsive and has a nice workflow that doesn't paste lots of floating windows all over the place.

Believe me, as far as paid products go, there is nothing to touch Serif Photoplus X6 for bitmaps and Serif Drawplus X6 for vector work.

The only problem (and I don't know if they still do this), is that the demo they put out is nothing like the latest full product, it's actually many versions behind if I recall. I never saw the logic in that and it must cost them thousands of lost sales.

The actual purchasable product, though, that's VERY powerfull indeed. I remember playing around with Drawplus' vector stuff and being amazed to find I could even snap gradient colour points to a grid.

I didn't buy at the time due to a grid bug.

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jpoese
By jpoese (5 months ago)

Why not leave things a permanent purchase and be able to subscribe to an unlimited up date package for say $50/yr. That way you have access to updates a reasonable cost but never have to worry about losing what you already have and don't have the expense of repurchasing new editions just to get the updated features.

As for those that complain about the up front software expense, Photoshop was designed for professional use. If you don't need a pro software, buy Lightroom and Elements. They are VERY good programs as extremely reasonable cost.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

But at the pint at which LR upgrades+PSE upgrades every one to two years matches the subscription price which is full PhotoShop, why not subscribe?

Change when the cost model changes some day...

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JackFM
By JackFM (5 months ago)

Soon have to show quarterly results. Adobe has to drive the sheep ...

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

Baaaaaaa.....

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

lol - so true!

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newe
By newe (5 months ago)

So...what is the best price for people to eliminate the complaints?

I have thought about this a bit...if I could get just photoshop cloud for $5 a month I would do that, with NO price increases. I may even sign a contract (like a cell) for 3 years.

Wonder why they don't do that?

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ecm
By ecm (5 months ago)

Because after three years of paying Adobe, the first month you don't pay you lose access to three years of your edits. Free would be too much.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Excuse the question, but never using a Cloud I wouldn't know this:

Are you saying that this system they have rigged-up, actually has control over the edits you make in Photoshop, and is rigged that they can effectively hold you ransom?

I'm sorry, but if that's the case then any user of it deserves absolutely everything they get. I've honestly never heard anything so ridiculous and darn-right stupid in my entire life!

OM-F-G!!!

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Retne
By Retne (5 months ago)

@pumeco
They don't have control over the edits you make, but if you stop paying you loose access to their software.

With Photoshop it's not the end of the world (Lightroom can be bought "for ever"); there are free programs that can edit Photoshop files or, although it's a pain, you could run a job to save all your files in an industry standard format.

But this could change - they could stop other programs getting access to Photoshop files.

It's more of a problem for some other Adobe programs where alternatives aren't available. And, e.g., editing a video may take longer than editing a single picture and be harder to recreate if you wanted to use another video editor, say.

My ideal would be:

Pay for 3 years of software then if you stop paying get the version you're on for ever. But this defeats Adobe point of this (continual for-ever income) and also means they need to support more software (potentially) if there's a major bug found (especially security related where they look bad)

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Pumeco, that is not the case. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill here and expect to be given everything. The comment "Free would be too much" is ridiculous. That statement makes me believe they would rather steal than pay, regardless of how fair the cost is.

You don't lose access to your edits, you lose access to the program. Saving as JPEG or TIFF will work for other editors. PSDs can even be open by some editors out there.

In regards to Lightroom, yes you would lose access to viewing the database and edits since those are not written to the image. But you still keep the database file. So if you decide to buy a standalone Lightroom or go back to the cloud, all those edits are intact.

But, if you know you are going to cancel with them and want to retain an image with those edits, just simply export edits to a picture file. That way you still have your untouched image as well as the edited one. What is so hard about that?

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Thanks for the explanation, Retne.

But now I'm thinking about the poor souls that bought into the subscription and have finally had enough, what about them?

What I mean is, can't users reload the files they stored in the cloud back into the relevant package and then save them out to their hard-disk before the subscription runs out?

I would have thought that would be possible even though it's cloud based. And if it is, I don't get why people are being so upset about losing access to their files - surely they just need to take them from the cloud, save them to hard-disk, and then delete them from the cloud?

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Sorry VirtualMirage, crossposted :-)

That answers my question, and I agree, mountain out of a molehill if they are able to sort it out while their subscription remains.

Buying into ANYTHING cloud-based is a bad idea, so users can hardly start complaining once the sh*t hits the fan. The solution of course is simple...

Don't use cloud-based services because you have no control over what is done with your data. Cloud-based services are a dream come true for these companies, they can minipulate in ways that ought to be illegal, and if I were in power, would be illegal.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

I wonder if Vote Pumeco T-shirts would sell well?

It would be a perfect opportunity to get some perfectly-breasted lasses to model them for me :-P

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Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

ECM, it doesn't work like that, just false stereo types you are spreading.

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Retne
By Retne (5 months ago)

Pumeco, what you describe is just what people would have to do if they've only stored files into the cloud. I would suggest that no-one does that whatever provider you're doing, always use that as an additon.

For hardware services the could makes a lot sense, where you're running Virtual machines in someone else's hardware, as long as you can keep a copy locally of the VM as backup, in the same way I'd tell anyone to keep application files copied locally. In this use case you've got hardware you simply don't have to run plus flexibility and potentially management done for you.

For application stuff, though, the Cloud is a harder sell and it frequently offers less than native locally run applications.

VirtualMirage: you're correct; users can do what you & I describe _now_ -save files or, for LR, buy it outright. But the problem may be if Adobe simply changes its mind about allowing certain things. I don't want to loose layers / edits due to lock in to a cloud app-feels like ransom.

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Retne
By Retne (5 months ago)

What we really need is an actual Dr Who who can look into the future and promise us Adobe doesn't basically hold us to ransom (intentionally or perhaps by targeting prices businesses can afford but individuals may not be able to justify) or by trying to lock file formats down to throw a spanner into competitors product offering.

Or a Dr Who plot where we see an exaggeration of the possibilities offered here in the same way there's been allusions to current news stories of the time.

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newe
By newe (5 months ago)

So...how much are people really willing to spend on the PS for the cloud (why people think you lose your edits or your photos is just stupid...oh well). I said $5 a month for me..which is $60 a year. I realize I have no control over what Adobe does in the case of cloud, but for $5 why not. Just wondering what everyone's "cloud break even point is".

BTW, even with a physical box you still would need to activate PS..so you would still be at their mercy anyway.

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andy816896
By andy816896 (5 months ago)

For me this pricing structure is the first time that I can actually afford Photoshop. The high cost of the one off purchase was to much for an amateur like me to cough up and the 30 day trial is never long enough to get to grips with such a complex piece of software.

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Retne
By Retne (5 months ago)

Personally I agree with that. The issue is what happens when the subscription ends if you realise you can't justify it any more.

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Paul Ennis
By Paul Ennis (5 months ago)

Totally agree. It will be interesting to see the next years cost, but for now, I think it's great news.

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PicOne
By PicOne (5 months ago)

When LR6 comes out, you'd still need to pay separately to upgrade to this, right? Since only LR5 is included in the $9.99/mo deal.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

While we can't confirm until it happens, I imaging you will get the upgrade. That's the advantage of a subscription service, you pay to receive the latest and greatest available and always staying up to date.

The reason why it states only Lightroom 5 is that the current Lightroom hasn't been redesigned to work in exclusively in the cloud and is available as a standalone, thus the version 5 name.

The next version, whether it be 6 or CC will more than likely be included in this. Otherwise, it defeats the benefits of paying for a cloud service and would force Adobe to continue providing service to an older version of Lightroom after newer releases come out, which they don't want to do.

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rondiggs
By rondiggs (5 months ago)

CC is a pretty great deal considering. Anything that saves me time with updates and such is awesome!

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Danny
By Danny (5 months ago)

I have €250 waiting for you Adobe, but only if I can buy the latest PS upgrade and own a copy of it. Not even a cent I will pay for your Cloud. Not even if it was for free.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (5 months ago)

Add my C$200 to the list...

1 upvote
BillFS
By BillFS (5 months ago)

+1

0 upvotes
Backstage
By Backstage (5 months ago)

I am ready to pay a decent price for a good peace of software. But I have the irrational feeling that Adobe is taking control over my PICTURES. Once I stop paying the software will stop working and I will loose access to my own artwork? No way.

4 upvotes
stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

Actually you don't loose your original/result jpg/raw only the internal/temporal files/work you created with PS. However these formats are (mostly?) public so sooner or later I think someone will make a program to read/process them. GIMP already _partly_ supports this format.

0 upvotes
aurtos
By aurtos (5 months ago)

... Imagine in-Camera PP displayed on an iPad connected via Wi-Fi .... The Future?

0 upvotes
pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

No.

Adobe, Apple, Google, Microsoft, in fact every company that takes liberties with your freedom and practices any form of lock-in, will eventually knock themselves out cold, there are safe alternatives out there. The greedier and more manipulative they get, the more people will swarm over to the alternatives.

The reason it'll happen is demonstrated in this thread. The sooner people quit feeding these companies and switch to stuff that is actually there for the consumers benefit, the better.

The longer it takes a person to switch, the more it will cost them both in monetry and privacy. The longer you leave it, the harder you'll learn, ask anyone in this thread that regrets ever subscribing to an Adobe subscription. If they'd made the switch beforehand, they'd still have their hard-earned cash, not Adobe.

How much do people have to feed companies like this before they grasp it?

Do yourself a favour, nip over and download RawTherapee:

http://rawtherapee.com/blog/features

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4 upvotes
Jon Lewis
By Jon Lewis (5 months ago)

Hi All

I feel sorry for everyone who has signed up at other price points .

This is not the way to win friends and influence customers Adobe is it?

Its still twice as much as the old upgrade software on a disk method.

I don't want or need Lightroom and cloud storage.

9 upvotes
ToXiQ
By ToXiQ (5 months ago)

wow it is a super deal (NOT)

$9.99 = €7,42 and £6.17 thats a HUGE difference! I am afraid that their conversion ratio was wrong ;-)

For €7,50 I am willing to take it but not €12,29

9 upvotes
Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (5 months ago)

Adobe is doing its best to lure you into their crap subscription model.. don't take the bait..

14 upvotes
kbfo
By kbfo (5 months ago)

Can somebody explain to me why we in Europe have to pay 65% more (12,29 € = $ 16,6) than US citizen?

Any idea how to pay the $10 fee?

4 upvotes
jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

Yeah I would like to know that too. But this is not new, we always had to pay a lot more for adobe products than US citizen. Adobe always puts that on translations (US english to UK english, right?) and taxes... That's a weak excuse, really !!

0 upvotes
SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (5 months ago)

I am guessing that the IVA is included, where in USA and Canada tax is NEVER included and has to be added later. e.g. The CC $20 price is really $22.6 in Ontario where the tx is 13%, but it would be $23 in Atlantic Canada where the tax is %15

1 upvote
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (5 months ago)

I went ahead and signed up for this. One year contract is reasonable, its free to cancel during the first month. Just have to make a note in my calendar to cancel in 12 months if I don't need it after that. (I'm not betting on Adobe reminding me.)

Anyhow, the actual creative cloud setup is pretty slick. Kinda like Steam for Photoshop. I like that I can install in different languages on different machines.

3 upvotes
Jorgen E
By Jorgen E (5 months ago)

I will NOT let myself be held hostage by Adobe and their "pay-us-for-the-rest-of-your-life"-strategy. I'll stick with my Production Premium CS6 Suite, and continue to update Lightroom for as long as Adobe let me. When that doesn't work anymore, I'll find some alternatives. I think I'm done with Adobe...

24 upvotes
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Honestly, what is the difference?

On one hand you pay them one large lump sum of money each time you upgrade. On the other hand, you pay them a small monthly fee to stay current all the time.

Are you really saving any money your way, or is it just your pride it affects?

If I bought a full version of just PS CS6 Extended now, it would set me back $800-$850. Add in Lightroom and you are now at $950-$1000. And that is just to be locked into ONE version.

At the current subscription price, if it stayed the same at $10/mo indefinitely (which I doubt), it would take me 8 years before I paid as much as you would with your method. I can guarantee that majority would have upgraded to a newer version by then, thus adding more to their costs.

Even if it jumped to $15/mo it would take me over 5 years to reach your costs.

How about $20/mo? Around 4 years.

At the current rate of technology, I can tell you that I would probably have upgraded at least once by then.

3 upvotes
Jorgen E
By Jorgen E (5 months ago)

It's not about cost.

It's about potentially losing access to the edits you made during the period you subscribed. It's about standing there with NO software WHATSOEVER, the day you decide not to continue paying Adobe for as long as you live. It's about Adobe's attitude towards customers who have supported them over the years, buying expensive licences. It all boils down to greed an arrogance, really...

7 upvotes
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

You are not losing your edits, you are losing access to a tool to edit your photos further.

Plus, Adobe isn't pulling the rug out from underneath you and leaving you high and dry in the middle of your work. You know when your subscription is ending, so you can save off your files into a format that has a higher compatibility with other programs way before your subscription ends. Your photos can be edited in other programs, it isn't that exclusive.

You hit one key word in your comment, license. License is not ownership and never has been. What changed is how you pay for it and what kind of support you get with it, but it is still a license.

I wouldn't call $10 a month greed. Adobe is a commercial company that exists for profit, plain and simple. They are not a government institution, they are not being subsidized by the government to provide a service to you for free. If you want to label a company who want to make a profit greedy, then label everyone greedy.

1 upvote
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Part 2:
If I sell a photo, I want to make a profit. If I fix your computer and expect to be paid, I want to make a profit. Without a profit, your business will not survive. Does that make me greedy? No.

Price gouging, that is greed. The price model Adobe is using would be price gouging if it cost more than it would be to own the retail product over its expected lifespan. I am not seeing this as costing more.

So it doesn't boil down to greed and arrogance. But it does boil down to ignorance, and not so much on Adobe's part.

People are blaming Adobe for going to a cloud service and hitting them hard as if they invented it themselves. Far from it. Cloud and subscription services have been around for a while, primarily in the industrial and IT markets. It has even been around in the consumer market too, but not to as large of an extent (cellular, cable, magazines, online storage, etc.).

The problem is the average consumer is having a hard time understanding what it means.

1 upvote
Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (5 months ago)

"If I sell a photo, I want to make a profit."

If you expect too much, you will get nothing.

"The problem is the average consumer is having a hard time understanding what it means."

This is completely irrelevant. It is like Kodak saying the the consumer did not understand them. If your product does not sell, you blame yourself, not the consumer.

2 upvotes
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

And $10 a month is too much?

You seem to be confused. My comment about customers having a hard time understanding Adobe, but that they are having a hard time understanding what it really means to be in the Cloud, what a license really is, and what it means to be a subscription vs "ownership".

Adobe could push harder at educating their consumers what this means, true. But they're not introducing something that is new, so the establishment of knowing what it entails should at least be known by a good portion of those that use technology.

Those that are unhappy will shout louder than those that are happy. Comment sections like this will reflect that, but it doesn't' accurately reflect how successful a subscription model is. Adobe's 3rd quarter report shows they have already doubled their subscription revenue from 3rd quarter last year. Just in the past quarter alone they added over 331,000 subscribers, for a total of 1,031,000 subscribers. Revenue is still on target too.

0 upvotes
plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

@VirtualMirage

Do you work for, or have shares in,Adobe (or any enterprise that benefits from an association with Adobe)?

Serious question,not intended to be antagonistic (I am just curious as you are doing so much to defend them in comment after comment after comment).

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1 upvote
JasperD
By JasperD (5 months ago)

LOL! Nice gesture towards people who enrolled at the earlier reduced fee, Adobe´s ¨valuable customers¨ who thought getting some special treatment from that company!

Let´s wait another half year to scrape some $ off the robbery, it might be free by that time!? Or the officially free or close will have evolved to doing the job just as nicely. Look at Gimp...

I´m sticking to my CS6 as long as it will serve. When not anymore, I´ll find something else. No Adobe handcuffs on my wrists!

11 upvotes
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Why are you complaining? Are you no longer feeling like you are a member of an exclusive club? Why complain that the offer has been extended to everyone? Isn't that more fair?

Seriously, people. At your going rate you would even complain if someone gave you a bar of gold. "It's too heavy!", "It's too shiny!" "It's worth too much!"

2 upvotes
stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

I think you need PS only for jobs like pushing the boobs up. For simple jobs (crop/color correction/..) there are free usable altenatives.

3 upvotes
brecklundin
By brecklundin (5 months ago)

I got an offer for the whole CC package @ $29.99 as I signed up when it was first offered, last year(?), but cancelled in the first 30-days.

I went ahead & knuckled under as I actually have needs for several of the apps in the suite so it will pay for itself a few times over...for the year. I had already bought a LR upgrade a couple weeks back but decided to roll the dice opting for a refund under the 30-day policy.

Basically I fed the beast with my agreement at $30/mo for a year. Only reason was I do have projects which will benefit from the tools in the suite. If those do not sustain things then next year I have no idea what I'll decide. FYI after 30-days they will charge you 50% of the annual price as a cancellation fee...can you say cell phone BS. That did almost make me say forget it.

all in all the deal stinks on ice but...We'll see...

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0 upvotes
Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (5 months ago)

This is brilliant and free top try it out,also has an adjustment lever function.. http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software.aspx .. rather buy from P1 than rent from adobe..

1 upvote
Danlo
By Danlo (5 months ago)

I just dont get it, does Adobe hack my computer and my hard-drives if I dont pay? Why would I not be able to access my own images on my own harddrives if I dont pay??

1 upvote
BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

Quite! Just scaremongering. Although you might have a problem if you save images as PSD files. I overcome this potential problem by not saving images in PSD files.

3 upvotes
Retne
By Retne (5 months ago)

It's the risk that they could make their image format only editable by them. And saving in other formats certainly gets around the problem at the moment, but there could be features added that only work in PSD.

It _is_ only speculation at the moment on what Adobe _could_, but for individuals more so than companies that's a big risk. And compared to model we used to work with, it's not offering everyone a benefit they feel they need.

I think some of the other software Adobe produces is more at risk to "file format lock-in" and some of us photographers also use those programs.

Oh, and as far as hacking goes, Adobe has been hacked once. If they're hacked again, and there's images you've saved in the cloud, you could see them deleted (keep backups, of course) or stolen from you (for profit or otherwise).

1 upvote
Light Pilgrim
By Light Pilgrim (5 months ago)

150 Million user accounts compromised with personal data, passwords, credit cards, etc. I only need LR, can have it for 100$ and feel safe.

7 upvotes
arhmatic
By arhmatic (5 months ago)

Thanks preview for continuing to cover the Adobe fiasco.

I am here for the comments, as usual. Quality entertainment.
Not even bothering to read the article.

Cheers!

12 upvotes
Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (5 months ago)

I learned to live without PS. Thank you, Adobe.

18 upvotes
T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

I don't mind the $10/month fee, but I'm worried about what they'll do to the price after your 12 months is up. I just don't trust Adobe anymore. They'll jack up the price, and you'll be jacked in the process.

17 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

If they 'jack the price up' I'll not renew and investigate an alternative. In the meantime I'll be using LR and PS for £8.79 per month.

1 upvote
Spunjji
By Spunjji (5 months ago)

I'm currently using LR for 0$ a month, having paid £60 a little over 12 months ago. Sure, I'd get PS with this, but I don't actually want it or that clusterfuck that is Bridge.

2 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

If you don't want PS then obviously this isn't worth it! But then why bother commenting on an offer for a product you don't want anyway?

0 upvotes
Cipher
By Cipher (5 months ago)

Why are people saying it's $10 for life?

Read the FAQ: "When you purchase directly from Adobe, the cost of an annual membership will not go up during the first 12 months of your membership. It is possible that the cost of the month-to-month membership will increase, but if it does, you will be notified and given the opportunity to cancel."

Terms:"After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering."

Current price of the offering would mean if they upped the price to $25 a month, then that's the current price of the offering.

3 upvotes
Stig Nygaard
By Stig Nygaard (5 months ago)

It's an offer toll roll in on a special photographer plan that is supposed to continue having a special price. That is also after the 1st year. The guaranties ain't very concrete though, but in the words of a man from Adobe:

We are not providing a price lock – it might be $10.49 or $10.99 or still $9.99 in 2015 or 2016 or whatever based on inflation – but it is not an introductory price (like $29.99 for the complete plan, which goes up to $49.99 in year 2).

Source: http://terrywhite.com/photoshop-photographers-deal-open-everyone-blackfriday/#comment-1131609682

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2 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (5 months ago)

What matters Is not what terry whites website days but what the terms of agreement upon purchase at the adobe website say.

If that's what adobe clearly spells out fine but if they don't, what is in the other website is irrelevant.

1 upvote
Stig Nygaard
By Stig Nygaard (5 months ago)

Yes Raist3d, if you insist on seeing the glass half-empty, you can say that. The intention with this plan has been explained several times by several official Adobe people, but the terms don't give any forever guarantee.
On the other hand, if you look at the glass half-full, I say it's a great offer, and if Adobe fundamentally change their pricing strategy in 5 years from now, I might stop my subscription then, but I have had 5 great years with a tool I love.

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4 upvotes
Fred Dominic
By Fred Dominic (5 months ago)

Yes, you'll have had 5 great years to create photoshop files that, if they increase the price and you cancel, will be locked out of all of your old work. It's like the CryptoLocker virus, the bait you with a low price, and then will hold you for ransom to keep using the fruits of your own labor. Adobe is not a good company anymore, their leadership needs to be replaced. And trust me, the offers were not written by the technical people, they were written by their lawyers.

6 upvotes
kodachromeguy
By kodachromeguy (5 months ago)

Some people did rent darkroom space in the old days. But I can see the analogy you are making.

0 upvotes
PicOne
By PicOne (5 months ago)

Am I right in thinking this is only for Photoshop really.. ? Even if the $10/month is held by Adobe indefinitely, this only applies to PS CC, and NOT to LR. If I read correctly, you only get updates to LR5. (eg. 5.1, 5.2, 5.3.. whatever). Once LR6 releases, this is not part of the deal.

0 upvotes
PicOne
By PicOne (5 months ago)

Am I right in thinking this is only for Photoshop really.. ? Even if the $10/month is held by Adobe indefinitely, this only applies to PS CC, and NOT to LR. If I read correctly, you only get updates to LR5. (eg. 5.1, 5.2, 5.3.. whatever). Once LR6 releases, this is not part of the deal.

0 upvotes
wireless
By wireless (5 months ago)

I guess you guys won't be happy until you get it for free. Education, health care, food, college, housing, only when it's for free. Plenty of other products out there. Can't afford $120/yr - you should let your camera make jpg's and edit for you. I guess a $100 a month for cell phone or cable TV is okay but $10 for LR and PS is outrageous.

3 upvotes
rwl408
By rwl408 (5 months ago)

It just some people prefer owning than renting. Simple as that.

20 upvotes
pdelux
By pdelux (5 months ago)

Education and Healthcare is free in most developed countries...

10 upvotes
Leo
By Leo (5 months ago)

It is misunderstanding … No one country has free Education and Healthcare. Their population pay by from 50% to 76% taxes, which are the norm in these countries.
I still prefer to own the license.
Leo

6 upvotes
Richard
By Richard (5 months ago)

I don't want it free. I want to buy it and own it. I don't lease cars or software. At least with a car lease you can own the car at the end of the lease if you buy it, you will never own adobes software.

8 upvotes
calking
By calking (5 months ago)

@ wireless.
+1

Not only that, but the recent versions of fully licensed PS/LR are more than most photogs could ever, ever master and more capable than almost anyone except for the most outrageously creative could ever need. What the upset about owning/renting is due to serial upgraders who think they need very new version as soon as it's out. Funny thing is, once people see the outrageous cost of new versions most back off and say what they have is sufficient. Can't win.

3 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (5 months ago)

You created quite the straw man argument there. It's not about free. Its about the licensing model.

Picture along with that the recent adobe hack of credit cards and I can't comprehend how you can miss some of the issues people aren't happy with.

4 upvotes
Fred Dominic
By Fred Dominic (5 months ago)

No we don't want it for free. We just want to pay for a product and then own it (like a car, etc.) We're not even asking for lifelong upgrades to new microprocessors, OSs, cameras, etc.

1 upvote
Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (5 months ago)

No one expects it for free,we want to buy our perpetual license like we always did...

2 upvotes
wireless
By wireless (5 months ago)

What's the difference if you are able to have the exact same functionality? You own property, nope you have to pay property taxes or it will be taken back. The main thing is, if you don't like it buy something else so you can have this idea of "owning" software. That's the beauty of a competitive marketplace.

1 upvote
rwl408
By rwl408 (5 months ago)

Existing subscribers who are paying more should ask for price match!

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14 upvotes
Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

double post

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0 upvotes
Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Adobe lowering its prices for CC? Lower then expected sign ups possibly?

Even at 10 bucks a month, no thanks Adobe, CS6 Photoshop is the last product I'm buying from you unless you revise your rental only policy.

13 upvotes
ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

From Fred below:
"Adobe is like a virus, in fact, it is similar to the virus CryptoLocker, where if you don't pay, there is no way to use your files.

This is an excellent analogy of the Adobian mindset and culture.

I have been using Adobe for 14 years, .. and I feel quite abused in the true sense.

I look forward to the Adobian demise and I will watch the sinking ship from afar with pleasure.

This posting has alerted me to many good alternatives, one of which I will surely embrace.

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snegron2
By snegron2 (5 months ago)

I truly hope some other editing program with similar features comes out quick. I never updated from CS2 and now I'm stuck with it as upgrading will mean having to go to Windows 7 (at least) from XP.

When Adobe announced it was going their cloud plan I purchased ACDSee Pro 6 and ACDSee Photo Editor 6. In theory ACDSee was a good choice, but I have had nothing but problems with it (XP freezes up constantly to the point that I can barely edit one picture before total freeze up). Of course, ACDSee now wants me to pay to upgrade to their "7" version, but I am disappointed with them.

I'm holding out for something better. A stand alone photo editing program with at least the features I have with my old CS2.

0 upvotes
Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

Actually, a v.7 works smoother that v.6, and also noticeably quicker both with XP and Win 7.
And if you want a good alternative to PS, try GIMP (v.2.8.#) but take care to download from their site http://www.gimp.org/ , since many other sites, including SourceForge, repack it in manipulated installers. Read the warning about this on their page.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (5 months ago)

The problem with subscription pricing is it exploits people whose circumstances change, essentially requiring an action on users part to stop paying.

When mother-in-law had her second stroke and went into a care home, it took me months to get her Sky TV subscription service cancelled (their bureaucracy), during which time they carried on collecting the subscriptions.

Or my Safari books online subscription. When I got my iPad, I used SBO less and less and eventually a year had gone by without me actually using it. $200 for nothing. Yes, it was my 'fault' but the model exploits it for financial gain.

All Adobe have to do to get me on board is to make it fair (and secure). The software has to dial home to check for entitlement/updates, so they know when you're still using it.

If they made it their policy to only bill for the months you actually use the software, this would set a precedent for treating customers with respect, not exploiting their circumstances.

I'd sign up tomorrow.

19 upvotes
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (5 months ago)

Those are EXCELLENT points, especially being billed for the time you use the software, on a monthly basis. I also consider the pricing totally nuts. I get five or more full blown office apps from Microsoft for 11 bucks a month and Adobe want me to spend 20 bucks a month for one app. That sucks ... were the promotional pricing made permanent, I might bite. but I am not getting invested only to have the price double in a year. That's a joke ...

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sebastian huvenaars
By sebastian huvenaars (5 months ago)

Imagine this scenario in 1983.

Photographer has a dark room at his house but needs to pay every month to get access to it.

Sound too unrealistic to be true, but here we are in 2013...

8 upvotes
kodachromeguy
By kodachromeguy (5 months ago)

Some people did rent darkroom space in the old days. But I can see the analogy you are making.

2 upvotes
Richard
By Richard (5 months ago)

Not really correct. More like you had to pay $10 a month to access the dark room and your negatives. If you don't pay, you can no longer access the room or your negatives.

5 upvotes
sebastian huvenaars
By sebastian huvenaars (5 months ago)

I thought you're still able to store them on your local drive. Not that this is of any use when the program to edit them with is locked up cause of not paying your monthly fee...

0 upvotes
jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

I am also fully against renting software.
But not be able to access the negatives is only partly true. You can still access the Raws, the JPGs, TIFF... only the PSD ones will become useless.

1 upvote
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Actually, even PSDs can be accessed by a few other programs.

1 upvote
Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

Some of us have adapted the bathroom corner for this purpose, and it was quite practical. Also, free.
Thus, try GIMP...

1 upvote
Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

OnOne is going to release fully-featured editor very soon, with most gestures known from theirs plugins. Maybe Adobe is frightening the competition?

1 upvote
Peter Hayward
By Peter Hayward (5 months ago)

Bargain. I'm in.

Adobe have, in the past, effectively forced us to rent photoshop anyway (or many I suspect to pirate) with new releases only supporting your new camera.

With all the goodies it's a no brainer for me. As for access and passwords. I do not use the same un/pw combination across sites. The pain of tracking the credentials is made easier with Keepass across multiple of devices.

4 upvotes
Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

New camera was never problem to me (and many others too)
Nikon CNX was doing better job than ACR (and imo still does), also c1p is better... Finally, there is dmg converter.
Anyway, I Hope other editors soon replace PhotoShop.

6 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (5 months ago)

That's only if you are one of the guys always upgrading your camera. Some don't.

2 upvotes
five5pho
By five5pho (5 months ago)

I think this post should be pined. And get as many comments as possible

1 upvote
Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

It is not $10 a month.
It is monthly $10 for a lifetime.
Adobe, let us pay more for the boxed versions. We want this, because it is cheaper.

5 upvotes
five5pho
By five5pho (5 months ago)

and of course if you choose to opt out for a few months you get back on the ''new'' price.Once the have the amount of subscribers they want, then they control the whole game, and it is YOUR TURN

7 upvotes
Leo
By Leo (5 months ago)

What would be inflation effect on this $10/mo lifetime?
Leo

0 upvotes
lasvideo
By lasvideo (5 months ago)

Thinking of signing up for the @adobe Creative Cloud? Some of these horror stories might change your mind. http://forums.adobe.com/community/creative_cloud

Remember to change your passwords and check your bank account for the next several month to make sure the hackers that got all that sensitive data from Adobe don't access your accounts.

New Adobe Survey. If you are not happy with CC being the only choice, let them know. http://deploy.ztelligence.com/start/survey/survey_taking.jsp?PIN=16BNF7XXXKLNX

4 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (5 months ago)

For those who say Adobe is doing great and subscriptions are overflowing - let me explain to you a basic business fact - NO BUSINESS WILL LOWER PRICES IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO. To do otherwise would be utterly idiotic. So when Adobe slashes the price in half, please don't tell me their program is doing great.

19 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

You would think this would be obvious but apparently not.

2 upvotes
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (5 months ago)

If they cut it to 10 bucks a month permanently, they might see a lot more interest ... that's what Microsoft charges for the entire Office suite but Adobe think one app is worth twice that (the half price for a year deal is a sucker's play ... it's 20 bucks for then next 20 years.)

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