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Adobe expands Photoshop and Lightroom offer

By dpreview staff on Nov 21, 2013 at 16:45 GMT

When Adobe announced a version of Creative Cloud for photographers in September, there was a catch -- you had to already own Photoshop CS3 or later to qualify for the special pricing.  

Now Adobe is lifting that requirement for a limited time. Through December 2, 2013, the $9.99 (£8.78/€12,29) per month subscription is available to everyone. The offer applies to the first twelve months' subscription, after which it will rise to the normal price of $19.99/month.

Signing up gives you access to:

  • Photoshop CC
  • Bridge CC
  • Lightroom 5
  • 20GB of cloud storage 
  • Behance ProSite

This time the catch is a one-year commitment that is billed monthly. 

Via: CNET, Source: Adobe

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bobestremera
By bobestremera (5 months ago)

I've been waiting for the price to come down. Used the phone number and changed my PS only cloud subscription to PS + LR and got both for half what I was paying. It doesn't take very much time saving with state-of-the-art software to be easily worth $10 a month. I get why so many people are mad, but for me, the minimal monthly cost (yes, that might go up in the future) is a bargain. If they raise the price to something stupid, I'll bail and go with an alternative. But for now, this is a great deal.

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five5pho
By five5pho (5 months ago)

Yeah right, you would not say that after spending a small fortune on third party plugins.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Because no third party alternatives support PS plugins? Oh, wait...

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Dimpsey
By Dimpsey (5 months ago)

Seems like the reason for large-scale piracy is too high a price. Adobe charges, even for upgrades, have always been eye-watering, with consequent low take-up of each and every upgrade. Given that experience of high prices in the past, plus leopards do not change their spots, why should we trust Adobe not to revert to type and hike prices at their earliest opportunity? It is madness to buy that which we cannot own, whatever the 'deal' offered now.

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (5 months ago)

Please forgive Adobe for trying to test the theory that a sucker is born every minute.

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The Scurvy Dog of PR
By The Scurvy Dog of PR (5 months ago)

NO

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (5 months ago)

It seems a good price for both and I will now subscribe as it will be cheaper than an upgrade for both, but I already have CS5 and LR5 to fall back on.

A) 20gb storage in the cloud is not too bad but not advisable to use it to store your files as if you stop paying you cannot access your files.

B) A very big negative is what will be the price after 12 months? They have the ability to ask whatever they like and if you dont pay you loose access to everything.

C) eventually improvements will probably make CS5 or 6 obsolete and one will have to upgrade to stay current.

D) this whole issue has eroded my trust in Adobe as they keep changing their terms. The last promotion of this type excluded owners of any creative suite but included owners of photoshop only. Bizarre logic.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (5 months ago)

Adobe are offering their software at a special discount bundle price of $60 a year each for LR and Photoshop.

DPreview members: "No! The horrible scum! I'm never giving them any money again!"

I'm telling you now: You guys are a strange bunch.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

You need a brain. That price is gonna go up whenever they want it to.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

And you get two applications for the price of two. You have can pay $120 per year or just $60 for every six months. Or just $3.04 a day. The bottom line is, for most people, it's not the money; it's the renting.

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

I can accept to pay more to own, than pay less to rent.
No option is unacceptable.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Once they have enough subscribers how sure are you that Adobe won't yank up the price months later?

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

If they do, many will bail, and that's as it should be.

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alanjdooley
By alanjdooley (5 months ago)

Some people need to read the fine print when they "buy" software. Whether you get a box and disk or download the program, all you are buying is a license to USE the software. Adobe CC does not mean your software and photos are somewhere in the "cloud." It means you are purchasing the license to USE the software on a monthly basis. You can store all of your images and files on your own local computer, just as you always have. By your software checking periodically with Adobe, upgrades are downloaded as they are available. This is $120 per year software. That's all it is.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

Yes, I am buying a license. Not renting one every month. What part of that do YOU people not get???

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

In contrast, you buy licence to use the software for as long as you wish. So hard to tell the difference?

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Leo
By Leo (5 months ago)

As soon as the payment missed the install software would be non functional.
Leo

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

This offer is very interesting for hackers.
Potential source of new cc numbers.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Then don't shop online anywhere...ever. Also, don't use a credit card at your local store. Only pay cash. Take it a step further and always were glove, don't leave fingerprints, and use a fake name.

You also might as well unplug from the world too since hackers don't need just your CC number to ruin your credit or life. At least with a CC, you have some protection against being liable for unauthorized charges. Stealing your identity, on the other hand, is far more troublesome to get corrected.

The risk is everywhere, unfortunately.

With Adobe being the latest victim, you would think that now they would be safer than ever before. They have more than likely beefed up their security and infrastructure even more, knowing now what security holes got hit.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

Give me a call, Adobe, when you stop renting your software and stop losing my confidential information. Maybe I'll come back.

In the meantime, I've found DXO Optics Pro 9 and Capture One Pro 7 that both kick Lightroom 5's butt, and my CS6 still works great on my Tiff exports.

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Dimpsey
By Dimpsey (5 months ago)

Have now got DXO 9 running and find it works just better than latest CS6 ACR version.

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Lan
By Lan (5 months ago)

... and if you haven't tried the new "Prime" noise reduction mode in DxO 9 give it a go - I'm amazed by just how good it is!

It's not as fast as the old NR mode (which is still the default mode), but the results can be amazing ...

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (5 months ago)

$9.99 equates, at current exchange rates, to about 7.14 EUR.

VAT in my country (one of the highest rates) is 23%.

12.29 EUR stripped of VAT is about 9.99 EUR

7.14 EUR equivalent in the US against 9.99 EUR in my country. That's about 40% more over here for software with no packaging, transport or physical support what-so-ever, just electronic distribution.

When is the European Commission going to crack hard on Adobe's predatory commercial policies as the Australian Parliament already did?

http://theconversation.com/clash-of-the-titans-apple-adobe-and-microsoft-under-fire-at-it-pricing-inquiry-12878

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PC Wheeler
By PC Wheeler (5 months ago)

$120 a year? I'll pass.

Phil

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (5 months ago)

Not a bad price.

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EmBeeWee
By EmBeeWee (5 months ago)

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (5 months ago)

Not just a bad price: a bad joke !

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (5 months ago)

The response is so overwhelming the site is crashing. Guess I'll have to wait to sign up.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

Nah, it's probably just hackers stealing our credit card information and log-ins AGAIN.

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Greg in London
By Greg in London (5 months ago)

so what if I want to go "off grid" with my mac......now I have to be wired in full time for Adobe.....I don't think so.
Get with the program Adobe , we don't like it and we have a choice !

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (5 months ago)

Right ! And not just A choice, but PLENTY of choices. Adobe is losing its grabbing of reality, which often happens with age.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

With the annual commitment the software has to be online every 90 days - are you going off-grid for three months? Have you ever?

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D1N0
By D1N0 (5 months ago)

So does ChingLiu

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BobT3218
By BobT3218 (5 months ago)

Companies go bankrupt all the time with little warning. When this happens the receivers lock the gates and any assets therein are at their disposal. If Adobe becomes insolvent the cloud effectively goes poof. Wise users will have raw backups off line, however any PP changes in the cloud are at risk of being lost forever. So if using the cloud one might be wise to have backups of finished jpgs as well as raws. This could double off line storage requirements adding to cost and time.

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WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (5 months ago)

Correct. Cloud working doesn't bring us security, but one more care. Cloud should be used as an accessory if needed, but never as a main tool.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

I don't think the Adobians will ever wake up to the fact that most of us would prefer to own our software.

I expect that they will continue to push the Cloud business model simply because it is very cost effective for them and they can change the rules at any time, as they do!

I predict that in the mean time, the competitors will eventually catch up and offer their wares at a market acceptance price point.

Like the Hunt Brothers and all other greedy companies that seek to monopolize a market, history tells us it's their very undoing.

The very reason that most of us use PS is the fact we know the program quite well and we are reluctant to change, .. True?

Adobe are by their actions are forcing lots of us to look elsewhere for our editing solutions.

When we find a good alternative, ... learn the key-strokes and workflow, we get the results we expected, guess what?, .. we stop thinking about Adobe.

Once freed of our Chains we wont want to return to prison.

Barry M Australia

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scokill
By scokill (5 months ago)

Lighten up Francis....

This not a Patrick Henry moment.....

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BobT3218
By BobT3218 (5 months ago)

I love LR but I don't have to have it. Enjoyment is in the photography not the PP. PP is simply an attempt to present pics so that others may have a taste of that enjoyment. I can do the same with other software.

I admire those photographers that can get perfect jpgs straight out of the camera. If we were all that good Adobe would be out of business. Perhaps we would be better off spending the money on improving technique. Once learnt, no one can take it away.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

Bob, your spot on with your observation. The good new is that a few cameras now offer jpegs that are excellent right out of the camera.

I have reviewed a number of cameras lately that fit this requirement. Fuji 100s, Prox1 and Olympus OMD EM5 that didn't need any colour correction.

The higher end Nikon and Canon are also superb. Pentax are doing good stuff too.

I take the first shot with standard camera settings, then shoot identical shoots after manual white balancing.

I always shoot RAW and use a Grey Card so any simple program can accomplish WB!

When I look back and reflect on what I've paid Adobe, I could have bought Nikon D4 with a few primes and a D800E second body and used the free software that Nikon supplies!

Do yourself a big favor and buy a good light meter such as the Sekonic L-758D. Your images will be superb. There are lots of tutorial vid's on this subject.
Camera meters are quite limited and simply can't tell the whole story.

Baz Australia

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iJoost
By iJoost (5 months ago)

Subscription ware sucks. Adobe can go play with themselves. Paid for PS CS3 through CS6 and that'll have been the last time they got my money. I'm done with them.

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Foxjet
By Foxjet (5 months ago)

+1...Amen, Brother.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (5 months ago)

I really don't understand this sentiment.

How much did you pay for CS3 to CS6? How much does that work out to per month?

Subscription costs about the same, but you always get to use the latest version automatically. For people like you who upgraded regularly, there are no downsides to the new model.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

What about people who upgraded only every other version or even less often, due to the perceived lack of value and the need to re-discover where they moved all the icons?

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Your comment makes no sense from a cost standpoint. How much did you pay for your copies?

Consider that Photoshop CC is equivalent to Photoshop CS6 Extended. A full retail copy will set you back around $800 while an upgrade is around $400. So if you paid $800 for CS3 and $400 for each upgrade, then you paid a total of $2,000 over 5 years if you upgraded to each version. If you went from CS3 straight to CS6, then $1,200. CS3 came out in 2007 while CS6 came out in 2012. So if we break down your cost over 5 years, you would have paid at minimum $240 a year and as much as $400 a year.

If you are buying yourself student versions, are you legitimately buying them? Are you a perpetual student or work at a school? Student versions you can't upgrade. So if going that route, Photoshop will set you back ~$350 for each version. So at minimum you would have paid $140 a year and as much as $280 a year.

So considering that this promo is $120 a year, then tell me: How is your methodology better?

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (5 months ago)

Suave, so suave...

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sandy b
By sandy b (5 months ago)

Just signed up. The 9.99 is considered a standard price. Locked for a year. Sales guy said it may go up next year, or may not. I told him about the response here, he laughed and said they have sold 30,000 subscriptions in just the last two days, and that the subscribers he signs up are very happy.

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (5 months ago)

Was it a nervous laugh?

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

My order confirmation calls it "Photoshop Photography Program (For CS3+ customers)" so presumably it's on the same terms as that offer.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

...."The Sales Guy Said it May Go Up Next Year!"

That means it IS going up next year. This is the Adobian race we are dealing with here: Slaughter, Plunder, ....... Take their money give nothing in return.

Laugh at Loyalty! that's their war cry after all.

Don't let the bastards win!

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onlooker
By onlooker (5 months ago)

> I told him about the response here, he laughed

He laughed at customers' reaction? Adobe's attitude coming through, I guess.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

They're breakin' down the doors so you must act fast. The $20 offer was so successful, they're doing it for $10. Order before midnight tomorrow and we'll throw in a Ginsu knife and non-stick skillet.

But you never know; the price might go up next year.

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PaulSnowcat
By PaulSnowcat (5 months ago)

Time to... Buy something else, if you have not done so yet. To support oter software makers. I shifted to Serif's product and totally happy with it. And no subscription.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

I'm am currently looking for the alternative. I have already put the Adobians on the "NO-GO list.

I will look at Serif's product, .... Thank you.

Baz Australia

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (5 months ago)

next up will be 6 month licences on your edits. Then they gradually ctrl-z them each week that you dont renew.

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

Pathetic.

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (5 months ago)

they sure are. i agree.

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Benarm
By Benarm (5 months ago)

So Adobe is going with a bait and switch pricing scheme. Get users at $10/mo for a year, and then price gauge them to death. Perfect example of corporate greed.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

And they will be stuck. They don't pay, they lose their software. They will still have what they've edited, but they will be "trapped" into paying the new price. Have fun with that, sheeple.

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cousin itt
By cousin itt (5 months ago)

Why not charge us by the photo?

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

Or by a mouseclick ;)

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RStyga
By RStyga (5 months ago)

Send this to their sales dept! What an Adobe idea!

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jurgenvogt
By jurgenvogt (5 months ago)

I don't understand. It seems that no matter how economically advantageous Adobe makes the Photoshop/Lightroom bundle people are still whining about it.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

Becouse unllike you I and many others wan't to OWN the things we pay for and I and many others are aware of the fact that Adobe can raise that price again whenever they please and FORCE you to pay that price if you want to open those PSD files ever again.
It would be nice if people like you actually used their brains sometimes you know.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Have to hand it to you, I never thought I'd hear the words "Adobe" and "economically advantageous" in the same sentence. I'm just glad I wasn't chewing on something at the time or I'd have choked.

I'm off now to play with my spanking new sampler that I bought with money I didn't spend on Adobe :-D

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sandy b
By sandy b (5 months ago)

Hey wolf, you ever hear of tif? And Adobe has said that this price is good through Dec 2nd, and those who sign up for at have that price for good? Use your brain sometimes smart a**.

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (5 months ago)

Don't understand it? Let me explain it to you then, with an harsh metaphor:

A rape victim isn't probably going to be won over by red roses sent by the perpetrator.

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Andrew Koenig
By Andrew Koenig (5 months ago)

Sandy B said that if you sign up for $9.99/month, that price is permanent. That claim is false: Read Adobe's website and you will learn that after a year, the subscription renews at whatever is the prevailing price. And your choice is between renewing and losing access to all your work.

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (5 months ago)

...on the other, judging by your user name, maybe as a fellow European you're already numbed by the continued Adobe abuse of charging significantly more for their products over here than in the US (before VAT is added, mind you).

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

If I don't renew I do NOT lose my work. I just lose access to PS.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

I see you "WORK" For Adobe jurgenvogt or you just arrived in the last shower.

Go and ask your Mommy, I expect she will be able to shed some real light in the subject.

It seems that all the statements that have been issued on this site alone, which points to our grievances against the Adobian behavior and the treatment of Years-Loyal customers; ........... simply missed your single neuron?

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

sandy b you are mislead. The price is NOT permanent. Go read at Adobe.

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AlanJones
By AlanJones (5 months ago)

If people used to OWN the Adobe software they purchased then why did you have to activate software you OWN?

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (5 months ago)

Wow...Am I reading this wrong or is this behemoth actually trembling?

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

For those that have finally had enough "Adobe", here's the good (and free) news:

http://rawtherapee.com/blog/screenshots

As you can see, the future is bright when you know where to look.

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (5 months ago)

I like the one in German.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Just edited the link.

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cousin itt
By cousin itt (5 months ago)

Charge me a penny a minute I have their app open (with no connection fee) and maybe I'll bite.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

And why the f*** do we get shafted in Europe as always. 10$ is is exactly 7.45 € when I check now. Why do we pay 4.84 € or 6.50 $ more ??

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icexe
By icexe (5 months ago)

What happens to people who signed up when it was $19.99/mo? Do they get the new discounted price as well?

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

No you will not!, The Fat Adobians will get fater and have a better Christmas!, ... Ha ha ha, He he Ho ho ho hum hum.
Seriously, I doubt relaxing the fine print in a contract in our favor is in their business plan. They work very hard at scheming me thinks? We in Oz never get these so called bargain offers. Perhaps in reality that's good if the truth be known?

Baz Australia

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dharmagreg
By dharmagreg (5 months ago)

I was on the $19.99 per month subscription plan and I contacted Adobe today. They said they would cancel my current subscription at no cost ( I was on a n annual plan) and now I have signed up to the $9.99 per month plan.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (5 months ago)

Can you feel the desperation slowly creeping in at Adobe HQ. The storm Cloud is brewing ominously.

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razadaz
By razadaz (5 months ago)

I think the foundations to all this were set when Adobe started requiring activation for their products back with CS2. First it was a case of anonymous activation, later they started to require full details of everything down to your shoe size. Now it's pay by the month. Eventually I believe they will move all their software into “the cloud” to make pirating impossible as no installation will exist on your computer. Bit by bit we were led like lambs to the slaughter. I have always thought it was a shame that more people didn't complain when they first brought in activation. It never prevented piracy it was just the first step on a slippery path to total control.

Newcomers to photography will sign up to this because they have never known anything different. After all, this is the generation that happily sign up to a 56 page itunes agreement.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

This reminds me of when Verizon calls and I explain I love the phones but the data plan is not happening. But if you think $60+ a month is ok for a phone I guess you'll hardly notice another $10 for software. Alll these necessities add up.

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PaulSnowcat
By PaulSnowcat (5 months ago)

I've stooped using Abobe software as they turned on that greed machine. And I am NOT coming back. All they want is to lure us (old users who ran away) back with this "discount" and then they will set their crazy price back. Hey Adobe, I am not buying it!

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APenza
By APenza (5 months ago)

I think it's a great deal for anyone that has never bought and owned older or no versions of PS or LR before. For $9.99 a month, or the cost of a sandwich in NY, I'll take it.

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Fred Dominic
By Fred Dominic (5 months ago)

Until they change their pricing which you no longer like and you're stuck with gigabytes of proprietary file formats that you no longer have access to. Adobe locks you in and then forces you to stay by holding you random, not dissimilar to CryptoLocker.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

APenza, ... You are joking, ... Yes?

Adobe and Great Deal do not go together no mater how old or new you are.

Your comment should read: ....."If you are naive, you may be Fooled for a short time into thinking this is a good deal?

You can have your Editing SW and eat your Sandwich too"

If you are brand new to photography as you suggest, PS certainly won't be on your radar at all anyway?

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

A sandwich in NY really costs ten bucks? Earlier, someone compared $9.99 with the price of three beers...
It's a kind of relief on a small scale. Where I live, $10 is what we'd pay for a complete lunch for two, and 1 liter of best local beer would be a tad less than $1.5...
The point is, it is perhaps not so much the question of affordability, rather the sense of paying it, considering all the other programs, and also not forgetting the constant morphing of manufacturer's attitude...

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UCSB
By UCSB (5 months ago)

$9.99 / month is a fair and attractive price for this level of software. I think Adobe has the right idea here, but it is unclear what will happen after your one year commitment is up. If the price is going to revert to standard pricing, Adobe should just come out and be clear about year two pricing. It has been tough to see Adobe hit with all of this negative criticism; I use LR 5 and Photoshop CS6 have have been an Adobe supporter for twenty years.

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TwoMetreBill
By TwoMetreBill (5 months ago)

By pumeco "Yes indeed, alternatives, paid or free - just alternatives"

What alternative is there to Lightroom? Nothing compares at any price. Though Aperture is almost there, Apple's approach to removing features from their photo and video apps with each new release makes that a silly option.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Wow, a message for meeeeeeeee :-P

Well, the only time I tried Lightroom was when they were offering a free demo of it. All it appeared to do is edit Raw files and organise stuff a bit easier for people who must be so "Pro" they shoot more images than they can handle.

So anyway, played with it for a while, and like all Adobe software I tried it had that crappy redraw performance of the interface and performed like a slug. I thought to myself, why on earth are people buying this stuff?

RawTherapee is a free, faster, and better designed peice of software altogether and on my system at least, performs like greased-lightning compared to Lightroom. Being an "open" program also means that you don't have to rely upon a single entity to support your camera.

RawTherapee is also available on the commercial OS's, not just GNU/Linux, so there's no excuse not to try it, and me personally, I have it like this:

GIMP = Bye Photoshop
RawTherapee = Bye Lightroom
Inkscape = Bye Illustrator

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (5 months ago)

I started using Capture One Express 7 recently and then also acquired Photo Ninja. I quite prefer the colors and color textures from those to LR.

I agree, RAW Thereapee is a great program and free, just that I really like the Capture One colors. And Photo Ninja is also excellent for some photos and as a finisher for photos from Capture One (for me). I also have standalone PS6, for any further edits and as a host for NIK pluigins. But I am using plugins less now I have Capture One, because I am now happy with the output I am getting from my current workflow.

I deleted LR (3) after getting the above.

So, there are many alternatives to LR, it just depends what a person likes.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

Lightroom has very, very good competition. Actually, I think they are behind. Take a look at DXO Optics Pro 9 (just released) or Phase One's Capture One Pro. The only reason I am using LR5 is for the VSCO Plugins I have attached to it.

http://www.dxo.com/intl/photography/dxo-optics-pro
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software.aspx

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

Gi Day TwoMetreBill. I am definitely moving away from Adobe. However I have a question: With the alternatives, can I import my PS catalog along with Tags and comments? It would be a horrendous task to re-do them.

Baz Australia

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

I'd say, take a good look at ACDSee Pro, and especially the Family pricing offer. If you want a capable, fast, stable, and adaptable photo editor with plenty of useful tools, you might find it reliably replaces much bigger and more expensive programs.

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Gesture
By Gesture (5 months ago)

Getting closer. There needs to be a standalone, downloadable translator program. No longer a subscriber, you can open and convert your files to another format.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

I just wanted to offer my most sincere thanks to whoever was responsible for thinking-up this subscription greed-machine in the first place, you truly supassed yourselves on that one. I only hope you don't get fired, because without you Adobe might still be growing, and I doubt it is, so at least that's something to be thankful for.

So yeah, well done whoever you are, I've never clicked on so many like buttons in my life, I'll have to take it easy or my finger will turn yellow :-D

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five5pho
By five5pho (5 months ago)

9,99 usd and €12,29/month for Europe. It is time to support alternative software
don't you think???

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

It's like the whole world suddenly developed a brain!
Yes indeed, alternatives, paid or free - just alternatives :-)

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five5pho
By five5pho (5 months ago)

that actually will leave enough space for new companies that do not support this ''protocol''

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Indeed :-)

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

Paid, downloaded, working with Photoshop CC :-)

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Thomas Kachadurian
By Thomas Kachadurian (5 months ago)

Still not buying. I'm plenty happy with CS6 and look forward to years of using it without having to learn new twists and turns every 18 month.

Software subscriptions. See ya.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

As long as you don't buy any new cameras or don't use RAW or change to a different OS or lose support for your old code or need new features...

People bought upgrades for lots of different reasons - and when you add up those costs even for infrequent upgrades, this price is comparable - what was the previous version you purchased before CS6? What did it cost you per month?

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jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

@NetMage, IMHO this still does not compare. Even if you come to similar monthly prices in the end, in one case you can use the software as long as you like, in the CC case you cannot.

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NJOceanView
By NJOceanView (5 months ago)

From what I can tell, this is best for people who *don't* have the prerequisite CS/LR products already (CS3+). The link below from DPR shows that if you *do* have those prerequisites, the $9.99/month price is guaranteed for life.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/09/04/adobe-introduces-cheaper-creative-cloud-with-photoshop-and-lightroom

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momo
By momo (5 months ago)

nothing is guaranteed for life...not even a cc subscription...

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

As the saying goes, guaranteed for life, if you don't live too long. I cannot imagine they will be happy with $10 a month for long.

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Randall A Kaye
By Randall A Kaye (5 months ago)

Can anyone find Adobe confirming the original post's "$9.99/month is guaranteed for life"? I believe this was just DPReview's original interpretation, never confirmed by Adobe. I asked an Adobe customer service rep this exact question this morning, and his response was that while $9.99/month was not a special, limited time price, it is "the current price", and "the current price" could change in the future.

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Halhoyle
By Halhoyle (5 months ago)

According to a sales rep I just spoke to, the locked-in price is no longer available. In other words, despite having said that a person had until December 31 to obtain the $9.99/mo. for life pricing, if you had CS3 or later, Adobe just changed that deadline to yesterday. Boy am I apoplectic. Just bought a qualifying product in order to obtain that pricing, and didn't put in my application in time.

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Randall A Kaye
By Randall A Kaye (5 months ago)

In a posting from VirtualMirage, further down on this page:

In Forbe's Magazine, there was a quote from Scott Morris, Senior Marketing Director responds to Forbes when asked for clarification on this program (when it was first announced) and if the price is temporary:

"$9.99/month is the standard price of the Photoshop Photography Program. That means that this is not a discounted price on your first year only – it is the standard price of the program, and we expect to renew customers after their first year at that same price. But we don’t intend to sell any new memberships at this price after December 31 – you need to join by December 31 to get in on the ground floor, and you need to maintain your membership without canceling in order to continue to qualify for this price."

Take it as you will, but hopefully the gives some comfort to those that are questioning this.

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Randall A Kaye
By Randall A Kaye (5 months ago)

The customer service rep I talked to this morning said that the original offer up to December 31 would return to Adobe's web site after this new offer expires on December 2. I hope we have enough quotations from Adobe executives to ensure that this happens. I don't want to commit until the last possible moment, on December 31.

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Biological_Viewfinder
By Biological_Viewfinder (5 months ago)

Don't let Adobe do this. There is *NOTHING* to be gained and *EVERYTHING* to lose. And once they have subscribers, they will be like any other monthly utility, they will raise their prices every single year to keep their share-holders happy.

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

When the transistor radios first became available, they cost an arm and a leg, as their portability and size pushed away those stationary 20-pound wooden boxes and lamps. Not too many years after that, you could find tiny, cheap portable radios inside detergent boxes... Manufacturers of "white powder" attempting to make sure you'd go and buy their product again.
So, seeing that trend repeated with cheap P&S cameras, and also some glorified software included on their memory cards wouldn't surprise me much...
In the meantime, many freeware photo editors are getting ever better, and many people are ready to forget a grand name if they can do equally well with something cheaper or even entirely free. Of course, they'll still call the process "photoshopping" for no additional cost.

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hiro_pro
By hiro_pro (5 months ago)

i have seen too many companies that require constant authentication crash. now you are stuck with unusable software until they can verify subscriptions again. the gaming industry has already had huge fails in this arena.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

I don't know, Steam seems to be doing just fine. It just depends on how you implement it.

The game companies that shoved DRM down our throat that required constant internet access or to use there servers were asking for trouble (EA got burned by this). But Steam seems to have figured it out and it works well.

Adobe requiring your computer to check in once every 30 days isn't asking much, in my opinion. So I wouldn't call that constant authentication and I don't see that as setting up for failure.

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Impulses
By Impulses (5 months ago)

It's also worth noting that Steam was vilified and heavily criticized when it first launched, half the people using Steam now weren't even gaming at the time... Now tons of people actually prefer buying games on Steam and they happily accept Steam's DRM in favor of more draconian or fragmented alternatives. Steam isn't tied to a monthly sub though! Key difference...

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cousin itt
By cousin itt (5 months ago)

The other week I tried to run the one and only Steam game I have. Apparently too long had passed since I last played it and it made me jump through some hoops. Despite being fairly smart with a good dose of experience those hoops eluded me (I think their email server was playing up that day, though their service status said nothing of this). I uninstalled Steam.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (5 months ago)

Steam doesn't charge you a monthly fee. You buy the game and it's yours. Heck, I haven't played Half Life in 8 years yet it's still sitting there waiting for me to choose to download and play it again.

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gloaming
By gloaming (5 months ago)

Yippe, I'm totally not going to jump at this offer.

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (5 months ago)

At first I was concerned about the security breach, but I think that can happen to any company. I was also concerned about "renting" software vs owning it outright, but that's just the wave of the future. You can either ride that wave or sit on the beach as a spectator. Whatever, it's your choice.

I truly believe after the security hiccup that Adobe is getting its act together. I wouldn't expect it to happen again, and if it does? I'll just get a new card issued by my CC company. No huge deal.

Bottom line is, Adobe Photoshop is the best thing going right now, and $10 a month for the first year is an ABSOLUTE DEAL.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

No no no...

"Renting" is the only possible way users of COMMERCIAL OS's will be able to aquire software in the future. Those that use truly open Linux-based systems always have and always will be able to install what they want, how they want, when they want and where they want.

GNU/Linux users arent kids that have Daddy Apple telling them what they can and can't do with their own hardware ;-)

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tonywong
By tonywong (5 months ago)

You shouldn't take security too lightly.

First, the Adobe passwords were locked down with a single encryption method. Once that is broken, every single one of the passwords lost will be available to the bad guys.

Second, many people reuse passwords from one site to the next. That is bad practice in itself, but Adobe's loss compounds it. If you have used your Adobe password on some other site, it might lead to (eventually) allowing the bad guys to get a hold or more information about you and lead to identity theft.

Third, cancelling a credit card may also cause other pre-authorized payments to be declined, and again cause other grief in fraudulent transactions requiring reversal etc.

The Adobe security breach shouldn't be mixed up with this reduced price offer.

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Impulses
By Impulses (5 months ago)

Adobe actually took it's sweet time in reacting (let alone notifying people) after the breach...

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

As long as "what they want" = "software that supports selected open OS" which is practically never true in the real world.

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Island Golfer
By Island Golfer (5 months ago)

Gee, isn't this what companies try when no one is interested in buying the original deal? Now, "everyone" can have the deal that no one wants. Wanna bet that, still, no one buys into this?

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Hulamike
By Hulamike (5 months ago)

Exactly. After years of forking over lots of moola on upgrades I'm through with Adobe.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Or they gave previous owners of their software early access to a good price and now that most who want to have used it, can open it up to everyone?

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BubbaHotepUK
By BubbaHotepUK (5 months ago)

It's nice to know that Adobe put more effort into DRM to protect their own product than they do their own customer's account information.

Do anything online with Adobe? Never again.

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plugger4
By plugger4 (5 months ago)

If you have not realised software is becoming commoditised and the undeniable trend is that the days of software being tied to a computer are over and thank god for this. The future is about device/platform independence, apps and your data always accessible, innovation delivered simultaneously across all of your devices and a commercial model that allows you to jump in and out of the service.

I for one applaud adobe for their move to the cloud and for the moment I will invest in their service and if someone else produces a better service in the future I may switch.

Adobe are a commercial organisation providing a service for a fee and if you like the service great if not invest elsewhere.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

Apparently, the future is paying for lots of things not once, but every month and telling yourself they're "investments". They had better be, because they're won't be much left after all the subscription fees.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (5 months ago)

plugger4, You must work for Adobe, .... Why?
a/ You use the word Investment associated with Adobe?

Lets just test you on this:

Statement of fact? I have paid (Not invested) Adobe about $6500 over the years.
Q/ I wish to sell my "Investment" what is it worth and what will you pay me?

Now tell me again about this wonderful "Adobe Investment"?

I doubt I would buy a used car from you.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (5 months ago)

Don't forget, once you're bought in, they can INCREASE the price at any time and you have no choice but to pay!

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Not true, you can cancel.

The first year is set at $9.99 which you are tied into but they cannot increase the rate on you during that time. After that 1 year, if they choose to increase it, they will notify you ahead of your renewal and you can choose to cancel if the new price doesn't sit well with you at no penalty.

Since you are paying for an annual subscriptions (a contract, basically), the price has to be negotiated at the very beginning, otherwise they cannot force you to keep the subscription or pay an early termination penalty fee. Much like your phone plan, your phone company cannot raise your rates midway through your contract.

If you choose to cancel mid subscription of a contract amount you agreed to pay, I believe they can bill you up to 50% of the annual subscription if you haven't already paid that much.

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TruePoindexter
By TruePoindexter (5 months ago)

No you don't - like all software you have the right to switch to one of the many alternatives. This includes Capture One, DxO, Aperture, and even more. The larger issue with making a switch is getting used to a new workflow. That can be rough. I know it was rough just moving from Adobe Bridge/ACR to Lightroom much less considering moving away from Adobe.

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (5 months ago)

Does DxO offer layers like Photoshop? If so I might be interested.

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Fred Dominic
By Fred Dominic (5 months ago)

Yes, you can cancel, but the point is once you cancel you don't get to use the files that are in a proprietary format. I.e,. lets say you do an enormous amount of work with photoshop, say many weeks of work. Then, adobe changes their pricing, and you decide to cancel, but then a few months later realize you need to make some modifications to your project. You're stuck! It's not as if adobe is also proposing to us open standard file formats that many different software packages use (i.e., if you don't like the price of gas at one station, you can go to another, and the gas will still work in your car, here with adobe, if you dont' like the price adobe charges, you're stuck with losing all the files and potentially years of work lost since you no longer have access).

The adobe model is completely broken, and I will boycott all their products until they change their way back to having the ability to just flat-out purchase their software.

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G Davidson
By G Davidson (5 months ago)

Okay, like people are saying you can indeed cancel, but what if by the end of the year you're pretty much dependent on it? Then you're much more at the mercy of their pricing system then if you'd never started.

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plugger4
By plugger4 (5 months ago)

You have a choice - choose another service.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Fred, you make sound worse than it really is.

You DO realize there are many other file formats that you can save your pictures under in PS that work without issue in other editors, don't you? Also, did you know that you can open PSDs in other editors/viewers as well?

So, no, you are not stuck. What you might get stuck with is missing how powerful Adobe's tools are and not getting quite as much out of some of the other editors or having to edit your picture through multiple programs to net the same amount of usefulness that PS can offer you under one umbrella. The only catch might be the Lightroom database, but your pictures are not gone. And if you r decide to leave Adobe, just export all your editted photos in TIFF before cancelling so you at least have copies that have the edits.

Adobe's model isn't necessarily broken, it is very similar to what is used and accepted in the IT industry throughout the world. Now, there might be some growing pains, but that is to be expected.

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