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Adobe expands Photoshop and Lightroom offer

By dpreview staff on Nov 21, 2013 at 16:45 GMT

When Adobe announced a version of Creative Cloud for photographers in September, there was a catch -- you had to already own Photoshop CS3 or later to qualify for the special pricing.  

Now Adobe is lifting that requirement for a limited time. Through December 2, 2013, the $9.99 (£8.78/€12,29) per month subscription is available to everyone. The offer applies to the first twelve months' subscription, after which it will rise to the normal price of $19.99/month.

Signing up gives you access to:

  • Photoshop CC
  • Bridge CC
  • Lightroom 5
  • 20GB of cloud storage 
  • Behance ProSite

This time the catch is a one-year commitment that is billed monthly. 

Via: CNET, Source: Adobe

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Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (5 months ago)

The way I read the fine print on Adobe's site this is a bait and switch deal. At the end of your first year, the price will rise to the then "normal" price, which is a heck of a lot more than $10 a month.

Your only choice, then, will be to give up PS or bite the bullet and pay through the nose. Clearly Adobe hopes you'll get so sucked into PS you'll be unwilling to give it up.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Whether it is a bait and switch or not, we'll have to wait and see. The way they word it does give reason to be skeptical, but at the same time it can be seen as general lawyer speak that saves them from digging themselves into a hole if something drastic happens that forces them to change their structure.

In the meantime, people can enjoy what I see is a reasonable offer for at least one year. If they decide to pull the rug out from underneath you, then cancel. What will you lose? They are not taking your photos away from you, so you still retain that, and what you paid over the year is still less than paying full price for everything if they were offered as standalone products.

And if they decide to keep the price the same or honor what is mentioned in their FAQ as possible price increases related to inflation, etc., then people can still reap the savings over what it would cost otherwise.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

In Forbe's Magazine, there was a quote from Scott Morris, Senior Marketing Director responds to Forbes when asked for clarification on this program (when it was first announced) and if the price is temporary:

"$9.99/month is the standard price of the Photoshop Photography Program. That means that this is not a discounted price on your first year only – it is the standard price of the program, and we expect to renew customers after their first year at that same price. But we don’t intend to sell any new memberships at this price after December 31 – you need to join by December 31 to get in on the ground floor, and you need to maintain your membership without canceling in order to continue to qualify for this price."

Take it as you will, but hopefully the gives some comfort to those that are questioning this.

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mbd320a
By mbd320a (5 months ago)

If it is the standard price of the Photoshop Photography Program, why then is there a need to get in before December 31? His argument suggests that it is a discount price.

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Vinc T
By Vinc T (5 months ago)

Totally meaningless. No prices ever are fixed. Discounted price, standard price, fixed price, you name it. A price won't be changed because it is called standard price? Simply BS.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

If no pricing is ever fixed what are you complying about? Do you worry that C1 will doublet their pricing next year?

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Vaards
By Vaards (5 months ago)

What If...

I purchase thru PROXY USA server cheaper ($9.99) than with European IP address for €12,29?

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five5pho
By five5pho (5 months ago)

and WHY this discrimination to begin with??????

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plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

I am an EU citizen but ............. I am fed up with this myth of discrimination and how more expensive things are.

You are all forgetting that it's customary to quote U.S. prices exclusive of taxes (Federal and State) and European prices are usually quoted to INCLUDE V.A.T.

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jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

@Vaards, I do not think this would work... and it would force you to have CC always go through this proxy for it to call home.
A few years ago I thought about doing the same for the bought version of CS, and you needed an US credit card to be able to purchase. Now with Paypal there is maybe a way around that, but I think Paypal also divulges in which country you live/have your bank account.

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Fred Dominic
By Fred Dominic (5 months ago)

Adobe is finished in my book unless they go back to being able to purchase the software that you use. The idea of "renting" software makes no sense. What if they change their policy in the future, all of the files in their proprietary format that is stored on your own computers, and all of the many hours spent producing those files will be locked away. Adobe is like a virus, in fact, it is similar to the virus CryptoLocker, where if you don't pay, there is no way to use your files.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101172439

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Vaards
By Vaards (5 months ago)

Rentin software makes sense - if you can`t implement anything worth for customers to pay for new version, then make that last one payable monthly. I mean - chosing this offer one kills progress. Adobe neeeds stable cash flow and they will doo everything to develop new tricks to atract customers to new bling-blings. Pay monthly - no more new bling-blings.

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brycesteiner
By brycesteiner (5 months ago)

I agree. What if photographers charged a wedding shoot like this? "You get to keep your first year of pictures for only $120. If you like them and continue to keep them it will cost you only $12 per month. We may increase the price after the first two years." They would get nothing new, just the right to use them. Photographers still own them.
If we think about it that is what Adobe is doing because there is not much to go for in the newer versions of PS or the other Adobe programs other than compatibility with new OS's? Adobe's income will have to come from a reliable source since innovation is depleted.
Maybe that is what photographers should do....

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Tommot1965
By Tommot1965 (5 months ago)

brycesteiner ...I like that idea

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Isn't that what many pro photographers do? Isn't the copyright with the photographer and don't you have to buy new prints from them at the current rate? Do they all give you negatives or digital copies of the RAWs? And if they do, what would the average person be able to so with them?

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

Adobe keep sitting on the clouds.

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trale
By trale (5 months ago)

GTFO adobe.

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Boris
By Boris (5 months ago)

I purchased LR4 for under $99 and switched from CS5 to PS Elements 12 for $49 (which does 100% what I used CS5 for)....and my credit card info is still safe....no thanks Adobe.

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (5 months ago)

Sounds like an act of depair. Seems the shareholders want results...
So they can raise the price in one year after people are used to the model.

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AD in KC
By AD in KC (5 months ago)

Oh, yeah - and I am one of those "stupid enough". I like to think I'm more than JUST stupid enough...

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (5 months ago)

No thanks. Adobe, keep your cloud. If you ever make LightRoom cloud mandatory I know that's the day I am switching permanently to another RAW converter.

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BobT3218
By BobT3218 (5 months ago)

Lightroom is good, but not that good!

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (5 months ago)

Good point Bob though it seems raw converters are better or worse depending on camera model. Lightroom does well on Pentax Q, capture one great on fuji xtrans , dxo great on Pentax k-5.

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AD in KC
By AD in KC (5 months ago)

OK, I'm softening on my anger at Adobe. $10/month isn't so bad - especially now it includes some cloud storage - which is fairly useless still because you can't up-load folders, but I suspect they'll fix that eventually. Dropbox and others charge nearly as much for storage alone.

And I understand that they need to make a return on their investment. PS is the very best and I gotta have it for what I do for my livelihood. They deserve compensation.

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hiro_pro
By hiro_pro (5 months ago)

if you need cloud storage try crashplan. there are plenty of forum posts from people talking about unlimited storage for $50 a year. carbonite has been there for a while too. true online backups keep your file structure. stay away from cloud storage from people that dont know what they are doing (adobe, micro$oft, norton).

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Tommot1965
By Tommot1965 (5 months ago)

yep Im with you AD in KC...$10 a month is a reasonable cost

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (5 months ago)

Don't use Adobe at all anymore. I don't like their business model.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

I don't like Adobe - full stop :-D

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bigdaddave
By bigdaddave (5 months ago)

I'm surprised and disappointed Adobe are persisting with this daft way of fleecing and turning away customers. I assume this 'offer' means no-one is being stupid enough to sign up.

At least I hope they aren't.

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jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

+1, but I am afraid their strategy will work out...
For 10$ monthly many will seriously think about it, and some will probably prefer to "reserve this $10" offer" before it is too late. That was a clever but vile trick from Adobe: "You don't want our offer now, but we propose you an offer you (almost) cannot refuse. You have to decide now".

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Every time I see people whining about Adobe pricing they remind me of me before I wised-up and decided to ignore the greed altogether. I switched from a Windows/Corel setup to a Linux/RawTherapee/GIMP setup and have no reason to look back - none whatsoever.

Not only do I have a free setup, I also have an operating system that doesn't invade my privacy, I'm in control over what it does.

The only reason Adobe are the industry standard is because purchasers of their products put them there - they keep 'feeding' them. The alternatives are often more powerful and in a lot of cases (such as the setup specified above) free!

Spend your money on your wife, your kids, yourself even. Leave Adobe to their own devices and with a bit of luck they'll fold without you even knowing about it. If everyone used the GIMP and RawTherapee, those would eventually become the industry standard and Adobe would be no more.

It's simple really: stop whining, stop feeding them, and make that free switch!

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Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

Are the other products apples to apple with Adobe, or like every liberal anti-business boycott there's suppose to be some suffering involved?

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scokill
By scokill (5 months ago)

If you use it to make money as a pro, it's drop in the bucket. If you are not a pro and it will make or break spending money on your wife and kids...give up the hobby all together.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Cane, not sure what you're getting at, but put it this way:

- My OS doesn't do what it likes and make updates without me being aware of it, because I use a Linux-based system.

- My OS doesn't provide a backdoor to the government like the commercial ones do, because I use a Linux-based system.

- I don't worry about upgrade prices or careless privacy screw-ups from Adobe, because my choice cost me nothing, and they don't have my data to lose.

- I don't face the dangers that people who use cloud-based services do, because I'm not dumb enough to put my life in the cloud.

- I will never look back many years from now and look at the thousands I'd spent on Adobe and realise I could have bought a new car with that money, because I'm not gullible enough to pay hundreds of dollars for a photo-editing application in the first place.

Carry on ...

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Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

Pumeco, I get the conspiracy driven policies to fight the man, but that doesn't answer my question about apples and suffering.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

You'll have to be a bit more discriptive then Cane cause unless it has anything to do with Apple (another bunch I avoid like the plague), I'm not sure what you're getting at!

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Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

Pumeco, I am trying to find out if the programs you said you use instead of Adobe's are just as good, or is there some suffering involved to get the same work out of them, as in GIMP's interface vs. Adobe's?

You sound just like my father-in-law and many other old people I know, paper shredder running every day, conspiracies about every entity on earth out the screw you, corporations, government, etc. Like most retires, you have to have a lot of free time to remain electronically off the grid, so to speak.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

No oldie here, I'm still a young pipsqueak, young enough to care but old enough not to be gullible.

But as you ask, the GIMP is entirely customisable, it can be made to look and work exactly how you want it to. The Raw converter, RawTherapee is also a well-sorted program that would easily replace LightRoom and Photoshop's Raw editing. Additions to the program are always worth the wait, and they're always fee, always will be.

On top of all that, I get to keep my money in my Pocket instead of handing it over to Adobe, and I much prefer it that way for obvious reasons.

As for the conspiracies, well, you're either dumb enough to ignore what has been published or you're wise enought to realise you need to avoid it. I'm the latter.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Get back to me when you can make the GIMP save back to JPG by default when you open a JPG. You are at the mercy of a smaller less well funded group and if Raw Therapee loses developers it will die as other open source projects have. You are just taking different risks.

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plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

@NetMage,
But there's nothing to say that a commercial enterprise like Adobe won't die too.........look at Kodak.

But your general thrust is a good one; open source stuff is run on the goodwill of the developers and, as we know from human experience, motiviating a workforce on zero salary is real difficult so many a freebie project has folded.

On the other hand, Raw Therapee is EXTREMELY well supported and it seems to be supported by a group of people who are intensely motivated and GIMP seems to be the same. GIMP does however need a lot more work to be as polished a product as Photoshop; Raw Therapee seems to me to be a fully mature product easily comparable to Lightroom and in fact it's better at what it does (minus the cataloging feature, which in any event I don't think photographers should rely on, rather they should use a well thought out directory structure)

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jreichert
By jreichert (5 months ago)

@pumeco
You are surely right, I often think about moving to linux at home. Until now, it actually was PS and LR which prevented me from doing so.
I have tried GIMP several times, and to be honest I did not really like it that much. The change from PS to Gimp is not that easy.
Why did I choose PS in the first place, mainly because it is the standard, and most lessons, recipes, plug-ins where made for it.

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hiro_pro
By hiro_pro (5 months ago)

and how much is it at the end of the 12 months?

20 GB of "cloud storage." wow, sign me up. now what do i do with the other 650gb i have with carbonite? maybe i'll just convert all my NEF's and TIFF's to jpegs.

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sandy b
By sandy b (5 months ago)

I'm in. For the price of three beers a month I get LR5 and PS CS6. No more paying for upgrades. Compared to the price of this hobby, this is one of the cheapest expenses.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (5 months ago)

You trust them enough not to increase the price once you're hooked?

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Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (5 months ago)

The way I read the fine print on Adobe's site this is a bait and switch deal. At the end of your first year, the price will rise to the then "normal" price, which is a heck of a lot more than 3 beers a month.

"Renewal
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your contract based on the current price of the offering."

Your only choice, then, will be to give up PS or bite the bullet and pay through the nose. Clearly Adobe hopes you'll get so sucked into PS you'll be unwilling to give it up. Typical of DPR's reporting they don't point this out.

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sandy b
By sandy b (5 months ago)

hey, if the jack the prce in a year, I'll consider quiting if its too expensive. I stll have the cloud access and my original NEFS, plus of course backups. i'll upgrade my LR4. I will be in the same place I am now. i really don't see the angst. face it, no one does pro editing software like adobe, especially with third party plugins. i know and like the interface. I will be able to use it on my desktop and laptop. And you don't have to have net access to use it, only install it or using the cloud.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

In Forbe's Magazine, there was a quote from Scott Morris, Senior Marketing Director responds to Forbes when asked for clarification on this program (when first announced) and if the price is temporary:

"$9.99/month is the standard price of the Photoshop Photography Program. That means that this is not a discounted price on your first year only – it is the standard price of the program, and we expect to renew customers after their first year at that same price. But we don’t intend to sell any new memberships at this price after December 31 – you need to join by December 31 to get in on the ground floor, and you need to maintain your membership without canceling in order to continue to qualify for this price."

Take it as you will, but hopefully the gives some comfort to those that are questioning this.

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (5 months ago)

You mean no more NOT paying for upgrades, silly.

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Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

How long is the price good for, one year or forever? They leave that language very vague! On purpose or stupidity?

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DesertRat2012
By DesertRat2012 (5 months ago)

In the final analysis it's a matter of legal licenses. Just as Apple revolutionized the world of media distribution by selling cheap licenses via internet, major software developers are also trying to capture at least some compensation for their efforts from more than a miniscule fraction of their actual user base. Having just returned to the USA from Latin America I can tell stories of major design firms circulating a single 'broken' copy of CS to be installed by the 25 or more menbers of their design team. The real question, in fact, being whether or not the firm had actually purchased even a single license in the first place. Maybe it's time that we in the US and Western Europe, where the threat of litigation might actually carry some weight, are ready to stop subsidising development costs for the entire world.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

Unfortunately, it is not the fault of people who buy and use software legally. The world has changed and intellectual property has no meaning in much of the world. That's not Adobe's fault and it's not my fault, either.

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Marcin 3M
By Marcin 3M (5 months ago)

No way.
I'm out of lightroom, replaced with c1pro.
While now there are no alternatives for PS (I have cs6), I can wait for competition. In a few months there will be stable gimp with more options than 8 bits per chamber (it's developer version is quite stable now).
For me cc is not a option.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (5 months ago)

Yup, I much prefer the color output and textures in Capture One 7 (I have express0 than LR.

The Capture One files also have more vision depth to them , in my opinion.

In any case I don't use catalogues in software, have my own folder method, although you can do that in COne too.

I deleted LR 3 after installing Capture One and trying it. Now use CS6 as a Nik Plugin host and final editor.

I have standalone CS6, it will work on operating systems for quite a while I suspect. In any case Corel Paintshop Pro or GIMP are CS 6 alternatives for my uses.

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Confused of Malvern
By Confused of Malvern (5 months ago)

"Through December 2, 2013...." ? What ghastly grammer!

Come on DPReview, you can do better than that - either "Until 2nd December.." or "Up to and including 2nd December..."

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (5 months ago)

oh come on, this is america. The mangling of the mother tounge continues apace.

Anyway, Adobe are offering this crap to all now? No thanks. Do they get commission off each account that gets stolen?

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (5 months ago)

I didn't understand what it meant either. Minor eccentricities in colonial usage are one thing; completely incomprehensible syntax ain't.

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John MacLean Photography
By John MacLean Photography (5 months ago)

Umm, I think you meant grammar. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones!

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

It's grammar, not grammer.

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Gene L.
By Gene L. (5 months ago)

Somewhere around December 2nd I expect a new announcement extending the offer to early 2014.

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MrMojo
By MrMojo (5 months ago)

EssexAsh, you are certainly doing your part:

"oh come on, this is america. The mangling of the mother tounge (tongue) continues apace.

Anyway, Adobe are (is) offering this crap to all now? No thanks. Do they get commission off each account that gets stolen?

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

Adobe does not realize that the threshold for many of us to care is not making it cheap to rent, it is making it available to purchase. As I see it Adobe has three options: 1) Rent the software and hack a lot of people off, 2) Sell the software as a perpetual license to one owner, 3) Give the software away for free since that is the only monthly sum many people would be willing to pay as a rental fee.

Adobe, blow it out your a-hole.

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MrMojo
By MrMojo (5 months ago)

Wrong thread...

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Hobbyfotograaf
By Hobbyfotograaf (5 months ago)

Why is the price in Euro and Pound much higher than in Dollar?
10 Dollar = 7,43 Euro, not 12,29 (12,29 euro = 16,93 dollar)

I am using Photoshop Elements 11, bought for 89 euro, and i buy a new version every 3-4 years.
That is much cheaper than 12,29 dollar every month.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

But is the difference enough to make you use PS Extended instead?

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SergeyMS
By SergeyMS (5 months ago)

Really we now pay 150 Euro for Lightroom 5, and they force us to buy a new version every year. It is same 10 Euro per month, even less. But I have to be connected to the internet every minute to use this software?

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Model Mike
By Model Mike (5 months ago)

> But I have to be connected to the internet
> every minute to use this software?

No

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

You do not need to be connected to use the software. It just connects occasionally to check your licence.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

With an annual commitment it needs Internet access every 90 days.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (5 months ago)

So you can give my credit card to all the hackers in the world, no thanks

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (5 months ago)

Yeah. This ballsup was such a disgrace - particularly given the wealth of a near monopoly (and there's a clue there) - that I'm amazed there wasn't a greater reaction. But we're all docile consumers now, chained to our screens and just hoping that robber barons like Adobe don't stick it in too far.

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RobertSigmund
By RobertSigmund (5 months ago)

I am deeply moved by their generosity. A little tear rolls down my careworn cheek!

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (5 months ago)

Win!

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Rbrt
By Rbrt (5 months ago)

Lightroom for $10 a month? No, no, no.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

PS CC included too

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ShelNf
By ShelNf (5 months ago)

It's going to interesting in the future if/when CS6 doesn't support the latest cameras. Something will have to give...

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Strikeroot
By Strikeroot (5 months ago)

Like camera manufacturers simply supporting DNG?

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Yves P.
By Yves P. (5 months ago)

Then, Adobe will become even more pirated and will eventually become a lot less profitable.

20Gb of storing space, gimee a freaking break, I do that in TIFF every 3 days.

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Thomas Kachadurian
By Thomas Kachadurian (5 months ago)

PS isn't so valuable as a raw converter, just as an editor. You can convert your raw files in many programs, then edit them in your old photoshop. Or use the latest free DNG converter.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

While I deplore schemes that make you pay every month for the rest of your life, the number of smart phone users suggests people are willing to rent instead of buy if it means enough to them.

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (5 months ago)

It’s different when you’re addicted to something, and smart phone users are nothing if not addicted to their phones.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

They are rent to own or payment plans, not simply renting. Lots of people don't own their house or car either - most don't pay cash up front.

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razadaz
By razadaz (5 months ago)

Very emotive issue this. Every time it gets mentioned there is a torrent of complaints. Ultimately market forces will determine what the future will hold. Adobe, who until now have had such a dominating position with Photoshop may have blown a hole in their own foot and will end up allowing other enterprising software companies to get a foothold.

However, the rental model will always be popular with larger companies who can now turn capital expenditure into tax deductible monthly payments.

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plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

Well now, that is a VERY VERY good point (something I hadn't considered) and something the self employed photographer might wish to consider.

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CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (5 months ago)

For some some buying its a great deal.

So lets see . If you went out and purchased CS6 and lightroom . It would cost you about $800 . So that means you could rent it for 6.5 years for the same money and get the upgrades free and not have to buy upgrades. 6 years in adobe speak is around 2 version for CS upgrades and quite a few for LR.

Although if you already own it and paid full price ( How many did) then you are getting screwed. Actually its going to throw the cat amongst the pigeons.

Corel PSP X6 costs $100 and a near yearly upgrade of about $70 . So for a bit more $20 you can have CS and light room .

Is a ducks bum watertight.

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Zerixos
By Zerixos (5 months ago)

That is if you pay in dollars. In the EU you pay a lot more, and Photoshop CS6 with Lightroom will cost you like 500. (under specific license). Still wondering why EU need to pay like 5 dollars more.

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Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (5 months ago)

"o lets see . If you went out and purchased CS6 and lightroom . It would cost you about $800 . So that means you could rent it for 6.5 years for the same money and get the upgrades free and not have to buy upgrades. 6 years in adobe speak is around 2 version for CS upgrades and quite a few for LR. "

Except that $10 price is only for the first year.... Then it jumps to full price, which is currently $50 a month. Not quite so attractive.

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Gene L.
By Gene L. (5 months ago)

Not true. The $10 offer is for a limited time, after that the price doubles. Adobe could also raise the monthly rental fee, which would affect the next subscription renewal. Also, the $700 cost of Photoshop CS6 is an inflated price to encourage cloud enrollment.

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NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Not true - Adobe has said this offer is standard pricing and one can assume increases will be comparable to all pricing. CC is sold at different levels and this is one of them.

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xeriwthe
By xeriwthe (5 months ago)

when will some non money grubbing company finally knock adobe off it's pedestal and release SW that everyone wants and uses? good lord, greed + SW is going to be the end of humanity

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Cane
By Cane (5 months ago)

The reason people go to work is to make money. They aren't doing it to do you a favor.

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Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (5 months ago)

Yeah. Except, of course, there's that whole open source thing.....

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Eugene CH
By Eugene CH (5 months ago)

NEVER! Even if it would costs 0 $. CLOUD is a crap. Reasons have already listed in September.

6 upvotes
Culinsky
By Culinsky (5 months ago)

I've switched to RawTherapee a couple of months ago. It's awesome. I still have LR... just 'cause i'm being lazy to uninstall it.

8 upvotes
fjbyrne
By fjbyrne (5 months ago)

If you are running Linux or MacOS you could try Darktable too (although there is talk about a Windows port being done by a 3rd party).

2 upvotes
Model Mike
By Model Mike (5 months ago)

Raw Therapee doesn't have LR's asset management features. Hardly a fair comparison.

0 upvotes
plevyadophy
By plevyadophy (5 months ago)

@Model Mike
What on earth is "asset management"?! Is it not just a database given a fancy name? And if it's a database then it is susceptible to being corrupted or not being compatible with some other software later on if say Adobe go bust.

Why not just use something far more reliable, and cross platform? Namely, create directories with meaningful names e.g. [year folder] / [subject folder] / [date]

And furthermore, the FREE Picassa software will give you "asset management" too.

0 upvotes
KariIceland
By KariIceland (5 months ago)

Yay.... I don't give a F... Adobe, why would I want to RENT software instead of BUYING IT? Also WHY risk having someone STEAL My credit information?!

15 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

You rent all software, you never buy it.

I don't suppose that Adobe are any different to the many other companies who have had credit card details stolen. At least these were encrypted.

1 upvote
Gene L.
By Gene L. (5 months ago)

You do not rent all software, you buy a perpetual license to use the software, which enables you to use it for the rest of your life if desired. Rented software stops working when you stop making those payments. Big difference.

7 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (5 months ago)

I think Adobe is willing to lose a lot of customers, in order to make a WHOLE LOT more money from their remaining customers.

They simply can't be stupid enough to switch to a a subscription service without running the numbers first. They KNOW they will end up with fewer customers, but they will end up making a whole lot more money by renting software, rather than by selling it.

Sure.... for the high end users, it will make little difference. Because they bought every upgrade, and it works out about the same as paying subscription fees. But I'd wager that MOST of Adobe's past customers would skip an upgrade or two, or three, or more. Because when you buy software, it still keeps working even if it lacks the new features.

With a subscription service EVERY customer must pay for every upgrade, whether they want it or not.

5 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

They have made the calculation that a steady income of $20/month...make that $10, is better than risking users won't see much value in each new version. To Adobe, a rented slice of bread is better than no bread at all.

While they are clueless with marketing, they do keep track of what sells. Their last few surveys have had a multiple choice option "I prefer to skip one version between upgrades." The subscription is the only way to compel customers to "buy" each new version. From Adobe's point of view, it makes a lot of sense.

2 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (5 months ago)

The thing is that Photoshop and Lightroom are among the most pirated pieces of software. I dont think they are losing as many PAYING customers as you think.

2 upvotes
RobertSigmund
By RobertSigmund (5 months ago)

I bought every upgrade until CS5. But now it is over. I am sure there are many like me.

1 upvote
NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Because you would be paying less if you bought the subscription for the next three versions worth? You don't like paying less?

0 upvotes
zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

"Because you would be paying less if you bought the subscription for the next three versions worth? You don't like paying less?"

The thing is, he doesn't have to buy any more new versions and his copy will work for ever. Rent your software means that he can't use even old versions. With a bought copy, your software will work always. And it's not as if even CS2 is useless. There is hardly anything new in photoshop. That's why ADOBE tries this scam.

Is it now more clear to you?

The only way I see a subscription would work is if it's only for new features that become yours after a period of renting.

2 upvotes
Digitall
By Digitall (5 months ago)

Adobe, since when $9.99 is €12,29?, $9,99 is today 7,41€, at current official rate. These conversions really have much sense of humor...

14 upvotes
NetMage
By NetMage (5 months ago)

Don't forget to subtract VAT - $9.99 is pre-tax.

1 upvote
Carlos Loff
By Carlos Loff (5 months ago)

Photoshop is now for companies, Adobe wants us to just buy Lightroom, I m so lucky to still have the Legal registered CS6 on my Mac but without connecting to the Cloud, IM LOVING IT !!!

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

Until version 7 comes along.

1 upvote
razadaz
By razadaz (5 months ago)

I haven't seen anything that great in the last three upgrades. The only reason I upgraded in the past was because of the threat of losing upgrade privileges.Now that threat has been removed I don't see myself worrying about upgrades for many years, by which time I expect there will be other contenders for the Photoshop crown.

4 upvotes
jordan13195b
By jordan13195b (5 months ago)

PS 6 is the last version for me unless Adobe reverses their subscription policy. I'll use LR 5 for the time being but I will NOT rent software.

5 upvotes
Maxfield_photo
By Maxfield_photo (5 months ago)

So instead of paying 50 bucks, a month to have my credit card stolen, now I can have it stolen for only 10 bucks a month? Where do I sign up?

Comment edited 59 seconds after posting
30 upvotes
grumpycat
By grumpycat (5 months ago)

I just downloaded and patched Lightroom 5 seems running all right! I will pay full retail when I get equal pay where this software comes from..

0 upvotes
wcbert
By wcbert (5 months ago)

If there is no version upgrade in LR next year then this is waste of money for me as I have PS 6 & LR 5. Since I do not exactly know the future for PS6 and LR5 then why spend money each month.

1 upvote
Greg Gebhardt
By Greg Gebhardt (5 months ago)

I have been with Adobe from the beginning but will not upgrade again. I want to own my software. Same with MS Office.

Adobe must be hurting trying to sell this new cloudy software or they would not be offering a discount.

Adobe is also guilty of letting scammers steal our CC information and I will not allow that to happen to me. Lets all stick together and we can get Adobe to change their mind!

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 3 minutes after posting
28 upvotes
Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (5 months ago)

Even use of the name "cloud" is a misnomer,it is subscription and nothing more... screw Adobe and their rent ware.. no cloudy days for me,Capture one pro,DXO and photo ninja are three awesome alternatives that you can own..

1 upvote
Per Inge Oestmoen
By Per Inge Oestmoen (5 months ago)

Why should we accept Software-as-a-Service?

If we accept to be tied to a software subscription in order to access and use our own data, soon both the operating system and applications will be entirely server-based and no longer installable locally. In such a scenario, the user will lose all use of the software as soon as the software company's subscription service is inaccesible or discontinues - or if the licensee failsl to pay for forever reason. In other words, in the subscription model the user is forever completely dependent on the software subscription in order to access his or her own data.

We have to demand from all software companies that they create software with perpetual licenses that can legally be used for an unlimited time on compatible hardware. We also have to demand that the software comes in the form of full and unrestricted installation versions that can be backed up and installed at any time and independent from its manufacturer.

Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway

42 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (5 months ago)

I bet Microsoft is watching this closely.

Someday you may have to pay a monthly subscription fee to use Windows on your computer. And if you stop paying... then every windows product plus the OS itself will stop working.

8 upvotes
Greenville
By Greenville (5 months ago)

I guess you have not heard about Office 365.

5 upvotes
zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

OEM windows versions are similar to rent-a-software license. It can be installed only on a new PC and it dies with it.

Luckily, looks like EU courts don't enforce such practices, because every copy no matter if it's oem, dsp or retail is assumed to be the property of the buyer and can be used as he likes. Ofcourse fair use. This means, in EU oem windows versions are sold as retail versions.

0 upvotes
Timo Voivalin
By Timo Voivalin (5 months ago)

I have never liked about Adobes software. The user interface and logic for example behind LR's file management goes beyond my understanding. I have been happy camper to slowly get rid of even the LR because of this nonsense "rent your tools and pay forever" -idea.

Thanks Adobe! :)

6 upvotes
sebastian huvenaars
By sebastian huvenaars (5 months ago)

Ah look, discounts. Not so clouded the future is, trying to drag us into the dark side...

(i do realize i sound like a complete nerd now lol)

1 upvote
ChrisSwiss
By ChrisSwiss (5 months ago)

They even lowered the price in Switzerland! This shows how desperate they are. And still, they try to lure us into their one-year trap. Nice try, Adobe, but: no thank you.

13 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (5 months ago)

Its funny that people have no issue with $900 iPads (replaced annually of course), $700 phones, $100/month phone plans, $10 month XBL accounts, $5 daily cups of coffee, $1.5/L of gasoline...

But, paying $10 a month for a software that is part of their business (ie. allows you to make money) is somehow treasonous.

4 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (5 months ago)

People will pay for $150 LR and $600 Photoshop, so money is not the issue. The issue is owning the tools you need to do work.

What if in the future you could only rent cameras and lenses?

21 upvotes
VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (5 months ago)

Working in IT, there is almost nothing today that is owned anymore save for the hardware. Most software is licensed out, tied to service plans. This is considered the norm in our industry and it has its advantages. This way of business is now working its way into the consumer market and it's meeting friction, especially by those that don't fully understand it.

Buying a piece of software in one lump payment isn't really what you think it is, you don't truly own it. You are only being granted a license to use that version and your support is limited too, either by a "warranty" period or until it reaches EOL.

A license subscription gives you the same software but usually comes with better service support, plus the ability to upgrade to the latest version at no additional costs. For those that stay current, they are saving money. For those that only upgrade every other version or so, you are either breaking even or "might" save some money but at the risk of losing support.

6 upvotes
Greenville
By Greenville (5 months ago)

Who replaces their iPad or phone every year? I don't. I also don't rush out and buy every new software update. From everything I read I was pretty typical - skip every other update.

The bigger issue to me is not the $10 a month, the question is what happens next year. Adobe decides the price should be $19.95 per month. The next year $29.95. They have the power if my PS saved files require the new features and My LR DB is now LR5 or higher I am stuck.

3 upvotes
Bob Meyer
By Bob Meyer (5 months ago)

$50 per year. It's already in the fine print.

0 upvotes
robertfel
By robertfel (5 months ago)

I have a smart phone (unlocked Nexus 5 <$400 after tax and $30/month TMO plan) and a laptop, never saw a need for a tablet. I brew my own coffee at ~50 cents/cup. I ride my bike or take the subway. And yes, paying anything in perpetuity is insulting; it's the point, not the cost.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Headline is misleading: "Adobe now offers Photoshop and Lightroom for everyone"

Should read: "Adobe now offers Photoshop and Lightroom special rental pricing for everyone "

Or here everyone has a limited meaning it's everyone still willing to rent software.

Comment edited 30 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
hotdog321
By hotdog321 (5 months ago)

I've been using Photoshop for 15 years and still use standalone CS6. While I despise Adobe these days, I think this might be a good chance for newcomers to check out these programs for a month or two. They are incredibly powerful and useful.

And yeah, I hate the whole concept of CC, renting software, hacked email information and Adobe's blatant money grab. But this is pretty cheap and as long as people back up their images locally, I think it should be safe. Maybe?

Just a thought.

2 upvotes
eawhitcomb
By eawhitcomb (5 months ago)

My thoughts exactly. I now have a fairly inexpensive way to try out Photoshop to see if it's what I really want. If I fall in love with it and can't live without it, when they raise the price after my 1 year is up I'll cancel my subscription and go find a version of CS6.

0 upvotes
djsphynx
By djsphynx (5 months ago)

It requires a 12 month subscription if memory serves me right to get the 10/month offer.

4 upvotes
Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (5 months ago)

Even with the 12 month subscription, it's an outstanding deal.

1 upvote
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

What's clear to me is that Adobe is in desperate need for more 'Credit Card' Clients...

Bring back the perpetual license and I will support you again.

3 upvotes
InTheMist
By InTheMist (5 months ago)

I'll pay twice as much not to be locked into the cloud and OWN my software.

15 upvotes
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