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Casio enters enthusiast compact sector with well-specified EX-10

By dpreview staff on Nov 14, 2013 at 19:38 GMT
Casio Exilim EX-10
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Casio Japan has announced the EX-10 - a flagship high-end compact with a 1/1.7" type sensor and a fast 28-112mm equivalent lens. The model, which the company says it will be launching in other markets, features magnesium alloy construction and, like the existing EX-ZR1000, an LCD that flips all the way up, for shooting self-portraits. As usual for Casio, the EX-10 features a range of innovative shooting modes, in this case including a dual bracketing mode that will adjust two variables for each sequence (e.g. exposure brightness and white balance). It also has built-in Wi-Fi and the ability to shoot Raw, and upholds Casio's tradition of offering really good battery life (at 455 shots-per-charge, it's around twice as good as most of its rivals).

We got the chance to shoot with several Casio models earlier this year and found them to be pretty enjoyable to use - especially the range-topping EX-ZR1000, which combined enthusiast-compact levels of control with some pretty sophisticated, automated high-speed shooting modes. The only thing that really counted against it, from a DPReview perspective, was its use of a 1/2.3" sensor, which limited its appeal, when some pretty good enthusiast models with larger sensors exist. The move to a 1/1.7" BSI CMOS sensor makes the EX-10 seem much more attractive. The lens, with its associated control ring looks an awful lot like the excellent unit used in Olympus's XZ-1 and 2, and the Pentax MX-1 (the likelihood of there being multiple 6.0-24mm F1.8-2.5 lenses, all featuring the same two-barrel construction, is extremely small), which bodes well for image quality.

Beyond this, magnesium alloy build, built-in Wi-Fi and a customizable front-plate shutter button that Casio says is for waist-level shooting make the EX-10 a pretty interesting prospect. The existence of several cameras coming towards the end of their product life-cycles (with the consequent price drops that this brings), could make life difficult for this latest Exilim, but we're still pleased to see Casio making a move into making the type of camera we like.

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Press Release:

Casio to Release Flagship EXILIM Digital Camera

Captures Nine Images in a High-Speed Burst at Different Camera Settings  

Features the world's first* dual-combination bracketing function that automatically adjusts for a pair of shooting parameters such as focus and aperture EX-10

Casio Computer Co., Ltd. announced today that it will release its new flagship EXILIM compact digital camera, the EX-10, on November 29. The newest addition to the EXILIM family boasts the world's first dual-combination bracketing function. With a single touch of the shutter button, nine photos are captured in a high-speed burst for a unique pair of parameter values for focus, aperture, white balance, exposure, among others. Now anyone can take high-quality photographs just like the professionals without complicated adjustments.

The new EX-10 includes the following features:

  • The world's first dual-combination bracketing function. The "Auto Bracketing" function automatically varies a pair of shooting parameters over three steps, producing a matrix of nine images to choose from. The "Manual Bracketing" function enables users to explore the settings of each parameter manually.
  • 28mm wide angle zoom lens with a maximum aperture of f1.8 (wide-end): This powerful lens is able to maintain a high resolution even at its peripheries.
  • 1/1.7-inch Back-lit CMOS image sensor: The expanded size of the image sensor is optimized for high-speed burst photography. The improved sensitivity increases the amount of light that can be received, while the back-lit system more effectively directs light to the sensor's surface.
  • Easy-to-see 3.5-inch tilt-up and tilt-down display, complemented by a front shutter button

The new model will be open-priced.

* World's first compact digital camera featuring a bracketing function that combines two separate parameters. (Accurate as of November 14 based on a Casio Survey)

Casio Exilim EX-10 specifications

Body type
Body typeCompact
Body materialMagnesium and aluminum alloy
Sensor
Max resolution4000 x 3000
Other resolutions4000 x 2656, 4000 x 2240, 3264 x 2448, 2056 x 1536
Image ratio w:h4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels12 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors13 megapixels
Sensor size1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorExilim Engine HS 3
Color spacesRGB
Color filter arrayPrimary Color Filter
Image
ISOAuto, 80 - 12800
White balance presets6
Custom white balanceYes (1)
Image stabilizationSensor-shift
Uncompressed formatRAW
File format
  • JPEG (Exif 2.3, DCF 2.0)
  • Raw (DNG)
  • Raw + JPEG
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)28–112 mm
Optical zoom4×
Maximum apertureF1.8 - F2.5
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Selective single-point
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Touch
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (2X/4X)
Manual focusYes
Macro focus range1 cm (0.39)
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDTilting
Screen size3.5
Screen dots921,600
Touch screenYes
Screen typeSuper Clear LCD with 180 degree upward tilt
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed250 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Premium Auto
  • Program
  • Aperture priority
  • Shutter priority
  • Manual
  • Custom
  • Time-lapse
  • Bracket
  • Art Shot
  • Best Shot
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
Flash range10.90 m
External flashNo
Flash modesAuto, off, fill-in, redeye reduction
Continuous drive10 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±2 (at 1/3 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±2 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV, 1 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (30 fps), 1280 x 720 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
Videography notesHigh speed: 224 x 64 (1000 fps), 224 x 160 (480 fps), 512 x 384 (240 fps), 640 x 480 (120 fps)
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage included49.9 MB
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (micro-HDMI)
WirelessBuilt-In
Wireless notesvia smartphone app
Remote controlNo
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion Li-130A rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)455
Weight (inc. batteries)384 g (0.85 lb / 13.55 oz)
Dimensions120 x 68 x 49 mm (4.72 x 2.67 x 1.91)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes
GPSNone
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Comments

Total comments: 172
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JABB66
By JABB66 (4 months ago)

The Casio Exilim EX-10 begins its walking outside Japan.
Press release in English:

http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/news/2013/ex-10/

Main Features of the EX-10:
http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/news/2013/ex-10_detail/

Specs:
http://www.casio-intl.com/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobheadername1=content-disposition&blobheadervalue1=inline%3Bfilename%3D20131203_EX-10_Specifications.pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1333637703331&ssbinary=true

Amid all the marketing talk, one can glimpse some of the features that make this camera unique in the market... and they overlook those 250 s of minimum shutter speed ;)

But not a single word about dates nor countries :?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

this kind of compact cameras are rather standard ones now.
for old non-enthusiast P&S's are mostly swept out by smart-phones.

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (5 months ago)

Casio....ditch the Casio name....maybe in Japan it means something...but here it is synonymous with Cheap Junk

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Ah, it's you again, only this time I wonder if you even have a pulse. The good news is I think CASIO have something that could help you in that department :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1qfPTafhmA

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

What the hell, and here's an ad that all the wise boys will be drooling over this Christmas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DNmft4luHg

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oohaah
By oohaah (5 months ago)

Cheap junk? Do you have any evidence for your hypotheses?

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

A polite note to CASIO's Jin Nakayama:

Having just browsed the Amazon UK site I was reminded that your cameras are not currently stocked by them. I read that Amazon are the most popular online retailer for cameras over here, and for all I know, this is probably true for every country they operate in.

Due mainly to the sheer popularity of Amazon, I sincerely hope your marketing team will ensure that this new wave of enthusiast compacts are stocked by Amazon UK. You look like a man with a mission so I hope the marketing team are equally determined.

All the best.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (5 months ago)

Loved my P505, EX-Z750, EX-Z850 but every casio I tried after those were total POS (I've owned or purchased/returned like 4).

Having kids, I really really miss features such as the "pre-recorded video mode" where it starts the movie 5 seconds before you push the shutter. Genius on a kid or pet camera. I see this model now has that feature with pictures. Awesome.

The good casios have always been crazy fast compared to the competition. If this has a decent build and not horrible IQ I really hope they bring this to the US or European market.

DANG. $640 USD according to the casio site:

http://www.e-casio.co.jp/shop/c/c301005/

Too rich for my blood. If it's like the P505 ($499 MSRP) we'll be able to pick it up for $150 in a year or two. If it's like the TRYX, the price will go up and up and up (resellers are asking $899 for some models at amazon these days http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009ZJS5HW/ )

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Archiver
By Archiver (5 months ago)

I'm glad that Casio are getting back into the game of enthusiast compact cameras. They went much more mass market after the excellent EX-Z750 and Z850 in 2006, but this new camera appears to be a step back in the right direction. My Z750 was my constant backup/pocket camera for years, until I bought a Ricoh GRD III. Cameras like this could have me moving back to Casio!

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JABB66
By JABB66 (5 months ago)

Too many people posting not being well informed.

The modern Casio High Speed cameras are the best to have always with you to not miss a shot:
-Pocketable
-Unbeatable burst rate: 30 fps at full resolution
- Take the shot before you press the shutter: until 25 pre-record still images.
Quick Response:
*Start-up time: between 1-1.50 seconds depending on model
*AF time: Approx. 0.15 second
*Release time lag: Approx. 0.015 second
*Shooting interval: Approx. 0.25 second

* and as have been already said, longer battery life than competition. I took 1400 images one morning (sunny day, many of them were High Speed takes) with one battery load (and probably could have been 100 more, battery was still running)

Max speed shutter: until 1/20,000 (when using electronic shutter, in burst mode with prerecord images on).

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JABB66
By JABB66 (5 months ago)

I have tried the EX-ZR400 for some weeks, you only have to wait more than those 0.25 s in very few occasions, after shooting with the options "Blurred background", "All-in-Focus Macro", HS best selection, and panorama modes. I have shot 4 HDR images in less than 2 seconds (and could have shot more), or one high speed burst right after another one...
Except if you turn the review image option to full screen, the images are processed and saved in the background while the camera is ready for the next shot. I don't know the exact capacity of the buffer, but from my experience is at least 60 images.

The High Speed Night Shot can take handheld images in almost complete dark, resulting in images with much more light than the naked eye can see.

999 custom shots.. two the Olympus XZ-2

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Indeed, far too many ill-informed posters, I'm guessing 90% of whom are probably too far up their own backsides with "brand loyalty" to even pickup a CASIO so they won't be aware of the almost typical qualities of a CASIO camera, how well designed they are and a pleasure to operate.

Those people will go on never knowing - their loss.

While Nikon were boasting about capturing a shot before it was taken, I'm guessing long-time CASIO users were secretly falling over themselves laughing because CASIO had all this stuff like years and years before.

Then there is Sony with all it's 10FPS shooting hype - while the CASIO users secretly laugh 'cause they already had 60FPS shooting many years previous.

Hehehe :-P

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kjhu
By kjhu (5 months ago)

Spot on, my wife is Japanese and we generally visit Japan once a year, can't wait to see the casio cameras, always loved them and always try to buy a new one (if she lets me) It makes me laugh how the experts comment on things they will never own or use. My kids still use/play with an old EX-S1 1.3mp 10 years old, and still takes good shots in decent light.

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John Koch
By John Koch (5 months ago)

Casio, very wisely, backed out of cameras as the P&S market collapsed. Times remain challenging for consumer electronics, but the company has managed to post profits in recent quarters, unlike some competing conglomerates. Interesting to see that the company still makes cameras. Casio virtually pioneered high speed video in consumer models.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (5 months ago)

RU Serious? They may have backed out of the US market, but they list 18. Yes 18 current models on their japanese web site:

http://casio.jp/dc/compare/spec/select/

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Stitzer23
By Stitzer23 (5 months ago)

Wasnt there supposed to be a weekly round up? Did i miss it or have dpr given up on that?

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (5 months ago)

Casio...please go away..you are a joke..thank you

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Out of curiosity, were you looking in the mirror while posting that?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (5 months ago)

What a joke -- and so is this "news item."

This little not much of a camera is being called all sorts of heady things -- a "flagship high-end camera," an "enthusiast compact sensor camera," whatever. Why no just call it what it really is?

The lens is said to be "fast" -- so fast, apparently, that under the OPTICS & FOCUS heading, DP Review fails to list its F-number.

And so on, and so forth. I mean, what is the exact PURPOSE for these types of press releases, really?

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

But it IS fast, so why pull it down on that feature?

If people would only sit back and take a deep breath for a minute they will see that what CASIO have chosen to do here, is listen to you. It wasn't that long ago we were whining at the manufacturers for giving us the smallest sensor possible, giving us slow lenses, giving us zooms that are too slow at their maximum reach, fobbing us off with old-tech low resolution panels for the display and them not being articulated.

Now take a deep breath and look at how CASIO have responded:

- A larger 1.1/7" sensor instead of a standard compact sensor.
- An articulated display instead of a fixed one.
- A High-res panel instead of a low-res panel.
- A lens that is fast at both wide AND telephoto.
- A good, solid design made from premium grade materials.

I'm guessing there's a whole bunch of niceties within the operating system of the camera as is usually the case with any CASIO camera over the 100 quid mark.

Must have manual video though!

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Other niceties:
- Super-powerful battery.
- Display is the larger 3.5" type
- Display is also touch sensitive

I mean the display alone is specced as such:
- 3.5"
- Articualted
- High resolution
- Touch Sensitive

Like I said Ladies and Gents, nice deep breaths, take in the specs carefully, and pricing asside, the camera is clearly a winner. You also need to remember that CASIO are clearly aware of the seriousness of the situation regards the war with touchscreen devices/phones etc.

The EX-10 will obviously be VERY good camera and I sympathise with anyone who isn't intelligent enough to understand why that is so.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (5 months ago)

Pumeco - I stick what I had said on this. This particular "nice camera" does not even have a hot shoe, a cold shoe, or any other kind of shoe, come to think of it. And why are most camera manufacturers still using the slowpoke USB 2.0 as an interface -- almost 4 years after USB 3.0 was announced, hmm?

Yeah, I got my first digital camera in the summer of 1995 -- and yes, it was a CASIO. And no, the LCD screen did not articulate, that is true -- an articulating LCD screen is a bad design feature, anyhow. What did articulate 360 degrees, however, was the lens. Much better design, see? oH Well, this was back in 1995, so 18 years later, the STRUGGLING mfrs are cutting corners and saving pennies any which way they can.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Well, I agree on some points but I still say it's a nice camera, the sort of model that I suspect will be greater than the sum of it's parts.

Yes, the manufacturers have to be careful what they specify because it all pushes up the costs, but that's something they all do, not just CASIO. I mean, I have a hotshoe on my Q, but it's a tiny compact camera, I chose it for it's versaitility and pocketability. It's never going to see a gigantic flash on hotshoe though, even thought it has one (I doubt it anyway).

I just think people are being way too trigger-happy with negativity, a lot of which probably comes from people who have no interest in a compact camera but chose to post anyway.

People need to stop acting like asses and realise the danger they already face in companies ditching the camera market altogether because of all this touchscreen crap. CASIO haven't just "hung in there", they've done it with a genuinely nice piece of kit.

Not to everones liking, but what on earth is?

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (5 months ago)

The digital camera market will vastly improve -- once 9 out of every 10 of today's camera makers stop producing digital cameras altogether. Then the remaining 10% can really get down to business. Right now, we seem to have more digital camera makers than stars above on a clear night.

These days, 9 out of every 10 digital cameras look the same and have the same basic specs, so by eliminating these 9, we will still have one left that does the job. :-))

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chillgreg
By chillgreg (5 months ago)

Francis you need to up your medication again.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Thanks for slipping that comment in there, chillgreg, I don't spend enough time here to get to know anyone and had no idea he was on medication ;-)

Was just about to post a useless rant, but you saved me - lol

Competition is healthy, take those cool newcomers, Blackmagic for instance. Thanks to them you can have a true cinematic tool that fits in your pocket and shoots RAW video as standard, alll fer less than a thousand notes.

That ought to kick the asses of Canon, Nikon and Sony into gear once the sales of their outrageously priced cinema gear start to drop. Every time Blackmagic enables a poor guy to compete with the rich boys, the big name brands lose a sale.

I could do without those cheap Chinese clones, though, those that are effectively the same camera manufactured under a million brand names:

MeeGoodCam LTD - Most best camera from China:
- Enhance 2 Magapixel sensor
- Tit and Ass button for smoother skin shot

Available on eBay RIGHT NOW - get it while plenty cheap!!!

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John Koch
By John Koch (5 months ago)

F / 1.8 to F / 2.5, as stated.

Casio has trimmed camera offerings in the depressed market, so whatever it offers these days is the "flagship" by default. Canon, Nikon, and others might fare better without making so many redundant consumer models, which are very similar, confuse buyers, and reduce operating margins.

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phazelag
By phazelag (5 months ago)

An XZ-2 with casio badge? Whats the point?

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

We need to compare it better. Not all things same. Please check

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motoriderrr
By motoriderrr (5 months ago)

I had an XZ-2. The image quality is very good but in low light af is terrible. Very slow and mostly can't focus. IS systems also is not so good. You can not take sharp images below 1/20 second handheld at 28mm. If Casio is better in af and IS it can beat XZ-2.

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VaLeX
By VaLeX (5 months ago)

Pentax Mx1 already beat the XZ-2 in AF and IS. Oly has the ergonomics.

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DT200
By DT200 (5 months ago)

As I have said, sell fewer at a high price is the new way to go for camera makers. We will see more "high-end" everything as smartphones take over.

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

Another DPR compact camera announcement generating a fair amount of interest and lots of comments like the Olympus XZ-10 and Nikon P330 that we will probably never hear about again.

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Optimal Prime
By Optimal Prime (5 months ago)

Panasonic LF1

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (5 months ago)

This blows the XZ-1 out of the water... The Casio has a magnesium alloy body vs XZ-1 metal body, a back lit illuminated CMOS sensor vs a CCD, a superior articulating screen, 1/4000 max shutter speed vs 1/2000, 455 shots on the battery vs 320, an independent battery charger vs in camera charging, higher resolution video with slow motion settings, built in electronic level, 5 axis image stabilization... yeah, I think I'm gonna sell my XZ-1 now while I can.

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

The XZ-1 is going on 3 years old, but I wouldn't say this "blows the XZ-1 out of the water" for the simple fact that the XZ-1 accepts an EVF and has a hot-shoe. For many, having an eye level VF trumps all those minor improvements you mentioned.

Besides that, I'm pretty sure this Casio uses the Olympus designed 28-112 f/1.8-2.5, one of the best features of the camera.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

Please wait for xz3. I hope they creating good camera with affordable price. This casino are good on spec, but the price are too expensive. I hope Olympus creating xz3 start from 24mm and use fast lens like this

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (5 months ago)

Why on earth would anyone buy one of these for $800, when the very similar Pentax MX1 is currently selling for under $300? There are essentially the same camera with a few very minor differences.

Will people really spend $500 more to get a 3.5" LCD screen rather than a 3.0" screen?

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

Maybe I missed something (highly possible) but where did you find the price? I've looked online, but can find nothing.

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tinetz
By tinetz (5 months ago)

Ok, I was sceptical too, but a search showed you can get it for GBP 219,- , roughly USD 350,-

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

Thanks, which site was that? Also, to be fair, GBP 219 probably equates to about $250 if usual cam prices are anything to go by.

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Mellowmark
By Mellowmark (5 months ago)

Not sure where is £219 but Clifton cameras have them for £10 more @ £229: http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Pentax_MX-1_Black

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

I think the price is wrong. I hope casio Revise it before it too late.
If casio want this to be success, sell it $499

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (5 months ago)

I saw that price on Amazon.com in the USA. $296 for the Pentax MX1.... brand new.

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

And the Casio price?

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

This camera doesn't fit my needs, I need something expensive that I can't make proper use of just to take mediocre images of my cat, so therefore I must criticise this camera come hell or high water. Sheesh.

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John Koch
By John Koch (5 months ago)

Dog shots, on the other hand, positively demand faultless IQ at 12,000 ISO, razor-thin DOF (nose in focus, eyes blurred), and manual shutter speed control in video mode that can be changed while tracking Fido retrieving a stick. A 1D with an F/0.5 prime.

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (5 months ago)

Please don't get me started on dog shots!!!

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Al Cris
By Al Cris (5 months ago)

I come to this magnificent photography site again, because my conscience leaves me no other choice!!
CASIO: who is going to buy this stuff?

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Well me for one, as long as it has manual video and the price drops a bit first, otherwise I'll be buying the Pentax Q7 to go with my current Pentax Q and 1.9 prime. Then I get to stick the prime I already have from the Q, on the 1.1/7" sensor of the Q7.

This CASIO fascinates me because it's similar in a lot of ways but also has an articualted screen, which unfortunately, the Pentax Q's do not.

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Joseph Mama
By Joseph Mama (5 months ago)

These "new" camera releases are extremely unexciting. Its like they keep hashing out the same camera over and over, all of which are inferior to last year's RX100 mk1.

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falconeyes
By falconeyes (5 months ago)

It is a lot heavier and bulkier than an RX100ii, despite its much smaller sensor and similiar zoom.

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VaLeX
By VaLeX (5 months ago)

what do you mean by similar zoom? AFAIK, the sony ends up somewhere at 4.9, right?

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (5 months ago)

It needs full frame. Stop it with this dime sized sensor business.

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (5 months ago)

Everyone knows FF is crap. MF is where it is at!

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RichardBalonglong
By RichardBalonglong (5 months ago)

Everyone knows MF is crap, LF is where it is at! XD

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John Koch
By John Koch (5 months ago)

MM: then buy yourself an RX1, attain Nirvana, and ascend into the clouds, if the lens weight doesn't sink you into a pit.

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PixelMover
By PixelMover (5 months ago)

I like the idea of Casio getting back into higher-end compacts.
My very first digital compact was a Casio QV-5700, which was chunky, somewhat slow but awesome, it even had an x sync contact!

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abortabort
By abortabort (5 months ago)

Now the wait is on for a Pentax MX-1 restyled Stylus 1 to hit...

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stern
By stern (5 months ago)

Anyhow... the Pentax MX-1 is prettier than the Casio.
;-)

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VaLeX
By VaLeX (5 months ago)

Too many skeptics around here. Obviously, you savy gear-heads, this camera is not for you. But it might have a good consequence even for you.
The fact that the camera has a control ring around the lens is great. The consequence of these cameras (Oly ZX1, zx2, Pentax Mx1, Panasonic Lx7 etc.) is that the consumer of compact cameras, non-savy, non gear-headed can elevate his own standards, give up smaller sensors (which might disappear from the market) and require to the manufacturers more quality and functions from such cameras.
In my view, the next level after phone cameras should be the 1/1.7 sensor, paired up either with such a bright lens, or with a constant bigger zoom (such as the new Stylus from Oly). Anything else between these is unjustified, given the quality of phone cameras nowadays.

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ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (5 months ago)

But for many mobile phone users there will be no "next level up". Mobiles offer more than good enough image quality for 10 x 15 prints and many apps such as Snapseed, PS Touch or Art Studio offer a far more efficient way to manipulate images than PS 6, for example. Also, the output from the Lumia 1020 is already on a par with 1,7 inch sensors. Where will we be 3 years from now?

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Andrew Butterfield
By Andrew Butterfield (5 months ago)

Nice. Would be nicer without all the extra bragging words all over the body ('Stereo' on the mic, '28mm' on the lens... so tacky). And yet the flip up screen and battery life make it a contender, even if it would be difficult to justify over the Olympus it shares one or two features with.

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Optimal Prime
By Optimal Prime (5 months ago)

Zzzzzzzzz....

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

another 1.7 camera that is already obsolete instead of someone making a new one inch sensor compact zoom and compete with sony

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (5 months ago)

Uh...

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Treeshade
By Treeshade (5 months ago)

Wait, no mention of the beauty retouch functions? Many Casio self-portrait models are selling at double list price (in East Asia, of course), simply because of the make-up filter.

I know, you photographers never care about these functions...

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

Interesting features for PS cameras.
But the price different is not good enough.
We can buy Samsung Galaxy for this purpose

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peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

XZ-2 strikes again. ;-)

Olympus is really selling its compact camera IP to anybody who asks. Well, probably last chance to make some money off the dying market.

But Casio could be better off joining m43 instead.

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Andrew Butterfield
By Andrew Butterfield (5 months ago)

I keep thinking Casio should join m43 too. One more major manufacturer's involvement would assure the format's future. It's a pity Samsung chose to go their own way.

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rtogog
By rtogog (5 months ago)

Just comparing this camera against Pentax MX-1. Both camera almost have identical specification, especially her lens. Its body is more compact which is pocket-able than its sibling. I thought this camera will perform very good on normal lighting.

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Gesture
By Gesture (5 months ago)

Glad to see. Casio, Epson and Toshiba were full-in in the early days of digital. Still use my Casio QV-4000 and Epson PC850Z. In those days, components were alsoshared among manufacturers. The Canon lens on the Casio was used in 4-5 cameras, including Canon, Toshiba and Sony.

Easy for OEMs to introduce new cameras. All the subassemblies, buttons, etc. already ready.

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Kurt_K
By Kurt_K (5 months ago)

I think people are forgetting (or simply never knew) how good 1/1.7 sensors can be at ISO 100-400, which is usually all you need anyway due to the fast, high quality lenses that these types of cameras come with. Frankly, I think it's comical how quickly everyone jumped on the 1" sensor bandwagon after the release of the RX100.

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stern
By stern (5 months ago)

Agree. In fact, comparing the 2 cameras side-by-side (RX100 and MX-1), I prefer the looks of the MX-1's images more (sharper, obviously higher IQ due to the better glass on the Pentax).

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iae aa eia
By iae aa eia (5 months ago)

It's not comical, just rational (or reasonable). I guess a good portion of the consumers of 1/1.7" sensor cameras (most of them for enthusiasts) were already sort of wondering if the sensor were somewhat bigger but still smaller than 4/3 (or m4/3). That's my case. I don't have a 1" (yet), but I had an LX3 (died of salt water) and many times I wondered how even greater it would be if it had a little bigger sensor (a size close to 110 film format, for instance).

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Peter Lacus
By Peter Lacus (5 months ago)

It's always a compromise between the sensor and the lens size. I am with those who think of a lens as a more important of the two...

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tron555
By tron555 (5 months ago)

I hope not, there are real cameras that have come out since this Casio that people would really be interested in. This is a camera the nobody in their right mind would be interested in, considering the competition that just came out with much better specs and prices.

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cpceter
By cpceter (5 months ago)

Given DPR staff enthusiasm for "several Casio models earlier this year" and the only real negative being their small sensors, can we expect a full review of this new Casio (it's been a while)

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

Totally agree, I love this site and the quality of reviews but I'm often baffled by the decisions they make when they choose not to review something. I really hope they review this camera, especially as CASIO had the balls to work on such a spec of camera during this 'touchscreen-device' war.

What a lot of people posting here seem to forget is that CASIO always give you more for less, always. For CASIO to put such a hefty price tag on a camera you can be pretty shure it's a mighty fine one.

We should also remember that prices fall - as they do with all cameras. When that happens, I reckon the EX-10 will be one of the main goto cameras on the market for someone wanting a quality compact. As with everything CASIO do, it will be the best specced and most capable for the price.

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nathondetroit
By nathondetroit (5 months ago)

Where's the imagination? 1" Sensor and a prime lens please!

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Johnsonj
By Johnsonj (5 months ago)

Absolutley!

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (5 months ago)

Where's your imagination? The Ricoh GR is way ahead of you

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nathondetroit
By nathondetroit (5 months ago)

Haha yes for wide-angle and apsc... It would be exciting to have something in-between aspc and 1/1.7 at the $500 price point.

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rpm40
By rpm40 (5 months ago)

Thats a pretty interesting thought- picture a pocketable camera with a 1" sensor, and say a 28 or 35mm fixed f1.8 lens, released for $499. It would really be a nice successor to the old film compacts...

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yonsarh
By yonsarh (5 months ago)

compact and smartphone cameras are toy cameras.

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

Sure. A proper camera has to have this little house on top where the image waits for the program to make it square so it fits the memory card.

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CaseyComo
By CaseyComo (5 months ago)

Thanks! I have always wondered what role the little house played in the camera's operation.

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

I think it was first built by Pentax, hence "penthouse"... and since then, every serious camera had to have one of those. :-P

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tron555
By tron555 (5 months ago)

Just another toy type POS P&S camera IMO with another pinhead sensor capable of taking pictures at up to ISO 400 or less, in good light and up close. The price they are asking compared to what is out there is ridiculous, are they crazy. I'll bet this will be the worst selling P&S in history. What a waste of R&D time and company resources.

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Murat Sahan
By Murat Sahan (5 months ago)

People are making fun of Casios attempt, but it looks like a decent camera even if its just different version of the ZX-2. I personally love my Oly ZX-1 and would have bought the ZX-2 if it wasnt for its bigger size.

I love the pictures from the ZX-1 and waiting for Olympus (or another manufacturer) to use the same lens in a body that isnt bigger than the ZX-1 but with slightly better sensor and a few more direct controls.

Some pics taken with my ZX-1:

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t635/MuratsPics/Shanghai%20Oct%202012%20Olympus%20XZ-1/Cloud_Nine_Shanghai_nored_zps11613d4f.jpg

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t635/MuratsPics/Shanghai%20Oct%202012%20Olympus%20XZ-1/PA070493_red_zpsdf482dbf.jpg

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t635/MuratsPics/Shanghai%20Oct%202012%20Olympus%20XZ-1/PA070532_red_zps16465770.jpg

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t635/MuratsPics/Shanghai%20Oct%202012%20Olympus%20XZ-1/P9270026_red_zps93db4b02.jpg

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

I hope olympus creating new Olympus XZ3 based on this cameras.
But Start from 24mm
More than 4x Zoom
Smaller Body
But keep the good spec such as Fast Lens and also others

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

shoot are they nuts thats ricoh GR money. also i am surpised to see someon getting back in the camera market/ this for more than an rx100 seems very odd though. its at best a 400 camera

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (5 months ago)

$800??! If that rumor turns out to be true, that's some serious sticker-shock!

Rehashing a great camera is fine, but not at a HIGHER price.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (5 months ago)

On spec it look good. Only some cons: zoom only 4x, and price $797 is too expensive. And we did not know the image quality yet.

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Piggy the bad
By Piggy the bad (5 months ago)

I thought what a great camera Olympus had made when I got my xz-1. Now the lens unit has appeared on the Pentax mx-1 & now the Casio I have to wonder did olympus make any of the xz-1 ? I suspect all three come out of the same factory. Now olympus have launched the stylus 1 how long before the 28-300 lens unit appears on other makes ?

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mpix345
By mpix345 (5 months ago)

Is the XZ-1 somehow less great now?

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peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

ZX-1 was more than a year before MX-1, and 2 years before this thing. Pretty sure it is an Oly design - they are just trying to get as much as possible out of it. It is a way to sell Olympus to Ricoh and Casio fans, as few as they are. ;-)

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Cailean Gallimore
By Cailean Gallimore (5 months ago)

Casio might have managed to do something that Nikon never have: make a decent compact, that is.

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

I do like the Nikon compacts recently but I could hardly believe the hype around that J1 system when it launched. All that stuff about capturing the image after it had happened, CASIO already had that many years previous in their F1 camera (even their compacts). No one said a bloody word as far as I remember.

The CASIO F1 could even shoot 60 full-size 6MP images per second if I recall, and that was quite a while back now.

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CAcreeks
By CAcreeks (5 months ago)

Do any other enthusiast compacts have 3.5" screen with touch to focus? DPR feature search has only the > 3" constraint. Google search found the Fuji Z800 and Canon SD3500.

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

How much is the video bitrate?

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RFC1925
By RFC1925 (5 months ago)

The combination of DNG raws, timelapse recording, high speed shooting modes and 455 shots-per-charge battery life is the reason why I would choose the Casio over the XZ-2 and the MX-1.

Wish it had a fully articulated screen like the Samsung EX1/2 though.

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SunnyFlorida
By SunnyFlorida (5 months ago)

A Re-badged XZ-1 for suckers

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (5 months ago)

You don't know what you are talking about, you are utterly clueless. The Casio has a magnesium alloy body vs XZ-1 metal body, a back lit illuminated CMOS sensor vs a CCD, a superior articulating screen, 1/4000 max shutter speed vs 1/2000, 455 shots on the battery vs 320, an independent battery charger vs in camera charging, higher resolution video with slow motion settings, built in electronic level, 5 axis image stabilization...

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Axibis
By Axibis (5 months ago)

Haha,,,yeah, Rockwells watch is a FF Casio :-)

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billybones1918
By billybones1918 (5 months ago)

Didnt they make Ken Rockwell's watch? Count me in!'

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pumeco
By pumeco (5 months ago)

You can scoff, but I would never pee-off people who appreciate CASIO watches. Some appreciate them for reasons you might not expect.

Scroll to the bottom of this wiki article, check out the "devices":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-91w

Talk about a cool watch, James Bond would be proud of that one ;-)

And yes, I know, after reading that article the "coolness factor" of CASIO is known to a whole new generation and that means they sell a million more F-91W's in a day. Welcome to the real world.

Yup, everyone suddenly starts flashing their new CASIO watch on YouTube to make themselves look totally "badass cool" and stuff like that. It works because those who know, are already aware of the CASIO coolness factor and know how to flaunt it.

I've got one and I'm VERY cool indeed. In fact when you think about it, owning a CASIO F-91W is the cheapest way to actually 'own' a true notorious legend.

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