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Lytro adds 3D viewing capability to its photos

By dpreview staff on Nov 12, 2013 at 19:38 GMT

Lytro, the tiny camera that allows you to choose your focus point after your image has been shot, has announced a software update to its desktop and iOS app that allows photos taken with the device to be displayed in 3D. The update lets users show off Perspective Shift processed images in 3D when connected to a 3D-capable TV over HDMI or Apple AirPlay.

Hand-On Review: Lytro Light Field Camera (February 2012)

 
What do you think of the ability to view photos in 3D? Do you have a Lytro camera?
Via: Engadget, Source: Lytro, Inc.

Comments

Total comments: 46
PeakAction
By PeakAction (5 months ago)

I bought a Lytro, had some fun with it for about two hours, and then set it on the table and admitted to myself that it had no practical use whatsoever. I returned it the next day.

Best Buy had a sale on them, so I picked one up. It was a neat little thing, but it was hamstrung by the company from the start. You can't DO anything with the images except display them on the Lytro website. If they had made it possible to at least export the images to other formats like Quicktime, at least they could have been used creatively in web design. I had a developer friend look crack open one of the raw files, and he said there were 45 images contained in it. I don't see why they couldn't at least be turned into GIFs.

It's simply a novelty, and not a lasting one, either.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (5 months ago)

Meh. Vivitar did this decades ago:
http://www.mu-43.com/showthread.php?t=10714

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lylejk
By lylejk (5 months ago)

The problem Lytro, indeed, all plenoptic cameras are they are too expensive and nearly useless other then for it's toy aspects. Until you can print images using this technology, the only folk that get any benifit maybe at all with the result are social media image sites and even there, it's limited. Give me a lytro that can print 8X10 @ 254 dpi and for under $400 that can run software in Windows or Linux, then I might byte (it's a digital world now). lolol

:)

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

<0.01% of the photos are printed on paper today.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

because print doesn't provide the same quality as electronic display. in contrast, color, or resolution (try to print Google Earth).

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miiicho
By miiicho (5 months ago)

Well. Lytro isn't for printing anyway. It outputs nice web-sized pictured used for ... umm ... web.
And eventually somebody will come with some sort of lenticular printing to have those 3d photos printed :]

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andix
By andix (5 months ago)

The most useless camera now became headache-inducing, too.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

I used to enjoy the ping-pong virus. it should still be a good training for kids in the school, like an assignment for summer holidays.

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Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (5 months ago)

What is the deal with digital stereo imaging for the public? As a member of a stereo club, I can't figure out if it is growing or dying! Fuji has dropped their 3D camera production along with other makers... but movies are all 3D... I am so confused... in stereo!

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Turbguy1
By Turbguy1 (5 months ago)

"This is the first camera that allows photographers to create a 3D image with a single exposure at the push of a button."

Huh? Stereo cameras were in heavy use during the Civil War.

Ever hear of the Fuji W1, W3, or Stereo Realist?

Perhaps better to say with one lens...Oh, wait, that been done before, too...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

stereo is only one format of 3D. instead of two, Lytro should take 3x3 images which can be rotated and still 3D. I don't know if anyone ever did it before outside schools and labs.

a single lens has to be big for 3D, two inch front element for same effect as human.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (5 months ago)

And now a Nokia phone does it in software for "free"

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

In 1991, Kodak brought to market the Kodak DCS-100, the beginning of a long line of professional Kodak DCS SLR cameras that were based in part on film bodies, often Nikons. It used a 1.3 megapixel sensor, had a bulky external digital storage system and was priced at $13,000.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

there used to be a large market to remove sh!t from cities
on shoulders and carts, before we have sanitary systems.

there should still be people work as sh!t-carriers,
maybe with a Lytro brand sh!t-barrel.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (5 months ago)

Why isn't there a DPR forum for Lytro users? Based on the praise some folks seem to offer, there must be plenty of owners.

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BaldCol
By BaldCol (5 months ago)

Maybe one day we'll look back at this camera they way today we would look back at the Fuji DS-X.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (5 months ago)

I will think about it when it has a 41mp sensor...
Then I can refocus, zoom, crop, change perspective, etc, and still retain a decent amount of detail.

In the meantime, brilliant idea though it is, it is just an expensive toy.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

41MP? That seems awfully specific - any particular reason?

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (5 months ago)

41 megapixels are on a Nokia phone camera sensor. Maybe that's the world standard these days. Don't ask about need. A DSLR with only 20 MP just ain't manly enough.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (5 months ago)

A 1D is also an even more expensive toy. A toy is anything whose financial return is nil, or whose marginal utility is dubious, relative to the idle entertainment or status it confers. A toy becomes either a fetish, a PITA, or pure junk when the fun is over.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (5 months ago)

By amazing coincidence Nokia announced today that their smartphones (inc 41mp sensor versions) are now able to refocus after shooting

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

using a same 41MPix sensor as Nokia 808, one should be able to get 3.2MPix square image from 3x3 rays. 3D is a better idea than refocusing for better image quality.

btw, I think currently Lytro generate 1.2MPix output from 10.5M rays using a > 14MPix sensor, maybe 1/2.3" (not sure about size).

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chris102
By chris102 (5 months ago)

@yabokkie: I think your calcs are about right. Lytro's been making hints at a 2nd generation camera. The noika sensor would significantly improve the image quality, and thus usefulness.

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3dreal
By 3dreal (5 months ago)

Raytrix.de has the whole palette of plenoptic cameras.

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chris102
By chris102 (5 months ago)

3Dreal: "Raytrix.de has the whole palette of plenoptic cameras."

For les than the cost of your house!

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scrup
By scrup (5 months ago)

This thing needs to be half the price and sexy the thing up. Put the apple touch on it and maybe the hipsters will have a look at it. It needs to get social and go viral. Its not a serious tool for pros so any mentions on a site like DP Review is not going to do it any favors. Just look at previous comments.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

I think the hipsters already got the memo.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

a sexy thing for pros ... of what kind?

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (5 months ago)

Good idea in theory, but you can't get $2000 optics into a redbull sized container. But I bet that's what people had in mind before seeing the sample pics.

Also, cameras starting to get *apps* now, you can create something with very similar effect, with much better grade optics on a SLR, if they choose to give you this kind of app. Only difference is it would take the exposures a ~200 milliseconds apart. I'd rather have that than 1.2MP.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

Focus stacking is quite old now, and I believe you can get it in some hacked firmwares. Lytro remains the solution of choice for action shots, though.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

don't think this camera is made for consumers from the very beginning.
it's designed for waste of resources (and somebody may enjoy doing it).

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chris102
By chris102 (5 months ago)

Depends on one's definition of waste, eh?

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Spectro
By Spectro (5 months ago)

DPReview Gear of the Year Part 2: Lytro Light Field

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (5 months ago)

Weak camera is still weak. 512pix x 512pix photos for $400 is comical.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

You're wrong in the detail though. It's actually 1080x1080.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (5 months ago)

Actually, the hardware resolution is 540 x 540 (sorry, I was a hair off). They say the native resolution is 1080 x 1080, but that is interpolated up.

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

It's the future. You can forget PDAF,CDAF,MF. No focusing delay, no focus tracking. The problem is the limited sw environment and the Term of Service/Term of Use. I will definitely buy something like this if it will be open source and will not be bound to any firm. Perhaps Samsung or Google will make once something like this.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

The Lytro does actually focus, and has a setting that lets you pick whether you want your slices closely or loosely spaced around the core focal plane. A sensible choice because it means that this concept can be made to work with macro without being forced to add external lenses. Note that the technology has very limited resolution right now. It will be interesting to see how soon it catches up with higher resolution 2D offerings.

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chris102
By chris102 (5 months ago)

Lytro's TOS relates to 'living images' posted through Lytro's online service. You also have the option to use the camera on a local computer and export only anonymous jpg images. Now even in 3D.

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backayonder
By backayonder (5 months ago)

No but the idea sounds okay if other camera manufacturers could somehow incorporate it into a DSLR etc? No more miss shots due to incorrect focus. The shape of the thing is all wrong it's like shooting with an empty toilet roll

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

The technology actually mandates this shape. It has been pointed out that current DSLRs could be expanded to have this capability, but it would require an additional approximately 30cm long "toilet roll", as you put it, between the lens and camera body.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (5 months ago)

Maybe camera design should be assigned to American Standard, Kohler, or Eljer.

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chris102
By chris102 (5 months ago)

It's a unique camera, and so need not be integrated with a general camera. You won't want to use it for every picture (you won't want every picture to be refocusable by the ve viewer, right? Isn't choice of focus part of your creative control?)

Like any specialized tool however, when you need it, no other tool does it right. A light field camera (with sophisticated software) is essential if you do certain kinds of work. At $400, Lytro is the only affordable option for that.

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Laszlo13
By Laszlo13 (5 months ago)

These guys are still in business? Anyone using their cameras?

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (5 months ago)

Until their investors pull the plug, presumably. Most such businesses are not expected to be profitable within the first few years, so it's possible that they have a little free reign left. However, they have already dismissed some staff due to flagging demand for the cameras.

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chris102
By chris102 (5 months ago)

Yeah, I am.

New 3D (use red/cyan glasses):
http://101-365.com/3D/nu3D/pages/IMG_2.html

http://101-365.com/3D/3Dsampler3x3.jpg

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