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Retro Nikon 'DF' emerges from the shadows

By dpreview staff on Nov 1, 2013 at 17:51 GMT

The rumored retro-styled full frame camera from Nikon looks to be coming. The latest teaser video from Nikon offers the clearest view of what the camera will look like, with close-up shots of the camera's side, back, and top-plate (including traditional shutter speed dial). The fifth of November looks like it could be memorable for more than just our UK audience. Check out the full video below the screen shots. 

The front of the camera, rumored to be called the 'DF', - assembled from the video (and showing dials on the top plate missing from the previous video).
The top of the camera, showing a seemingly lockable shutter speed dial.
The rear controls of the camera - looking consistent with the company's modern DSLRs.
While it doesn't look quite as slim as a film SLR, the camera looks much more like a classic Nikon than any of the company's recent FX DSLRs.

'It's in my hands again': Episode 5


See what's been previously reported. Your thoughts on what you've seen so far? 
Source: Nikon

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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (5 months ago)

Very entertaining here. Keep on posting guys!

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whawha
By whawha (5 months ago)

Oh boy...

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oldfellow
By oldfellow (5 months ago)

Are they oil spots on picture 3??

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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (5 months ago)

Yes, because they use the mirror and shutter assembly from the D600.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (5 months ago)

More likely soot from when has was changing lenses in front of a campfire. Who does that?!?

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (5 months ago)

Some funny comments below, made me LOL, developing theories on why "all" press photogs use this camera or that.
Do "all press photogs" carry Nikons or Canons? Some percent among them do. They use these because they last and deliver correct pictures. Great percentage only see what the others carry, and think it belongs with the trade. I have seen many pros who did not understand photography, they were simple copycats. That was in some not-so-rare cases because they've also had bosses who understood even less.
I have been using all types of cameras in my pro days, from Olympus bridge is3000 to Stylus II, and from Sony R-1, or F-828, to T7, and nobody ever complained about image quality. It was simply because even the high-quality print magazine simply can't reproduce all that the film frame or,say, a 7MP camera can record. Much less daily rotoprint papers and their 32-48 dpi.
For sensible people, pro or not, the choice of camera always depends upon the task, and not the fashion.

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PerL
By PerL (5 months ago)

I just wonder about the standard of press photography were you live if it was possible to compete with P&S digicams.

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vFunct
By vFunct (5 months ago)

And for ALL pros, the choice is Nikon or Canon.

Sorry, but all other cameras suck balls, especially the lame mirror less cameras.

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (5 months ago)

In the last picture (side - on) it looks like a Pentax K-5! A size comparison would be interesting. You don't need to have a huge body for full frame after all.

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (5 months ago)

And I just saw I'm not the only one who thinks it looks like a Pentax...

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

Perhaps, but Pentax is not the only company to ever make angular, squared off prism housings. The F, F2, FM all had similar prism housings.

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (5 months ago)

Looks too chunky to me, hoped for a slimmer body...let's wait few days guys!

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (5 months ago)

@marike: well, it probably is now!

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Antony John
By Antony John (5 months ago)

When this camera is released and it's competence demonstrated watch the nay-sayers flocking to get one of their own :-)
This camera is going to be so retro that it'll be advanced by today's standards.

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avronaut
By avronaut (5 months ago)

It's about time! The FM2 was the last perfect styled Nikon.

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R Vaquero
By R Vaquero (5 months ago)

Totally agree!

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Mike Griffin
By Mike Griffin (5 months ago)

Video is targeting studious photographers who hunt down the quarry in stealth mode just like we all used to when our camera was loaded with 36 shots of expensive film and - if it was slide film - we had to wait a week or more to see the developed images. Sadly nowadays we are tempted to take our chances, firing off our 'free' film at 5 frames per second and selecting perhaps the one in 30 images that hit the spot.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (5 months ago)

Well, for me personally the result is always much more interesting than the way it was taken. I don't care if for example Frans Lanting used 400 rolls of film to fill a book with less than 100 beautiful photographs of elephants.

The chance to make a lot of images (with often great results) is since digital not only there anymore for the professional photographer.

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Ralf B
By Ralf B (5 months ago)

Nikon on a time travel in reverse to .... 2008: Sony a900 anyone?
So Nikon plays catch-up (term borrowed from DPR's Canon 70D elaborations) in their design department 5 years after a lot of CaNikonians labelled the a900 "ugly" and complained about the missing built-in flash (will this Nikon re-incarnation have one or not by the way? From the current screen shots: Rather not). Acquired tastes do change, right?

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

No offense, but Nikon had squarish, angular prism housings with their line of F cameras some 50 years before the Sony A900.

The idea that they are playing "catch-up" to anyone design wise is preposterous considering they are taking design cues and referencing their own F cameras from the 60s.

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Ralf B
By Ralf B (5 months ago)

@marike6
Funny you post "The idea that they are playing "catch-up" to anyone design wise is preposterous"
Funny, as in complete ignorance of
1. The context of the a900 market introduction in late 2008. FYI, the a900 was attacked back then for its retro, pure photography only approach as DSLR video was making its first appearances at the same time. Why did Sony bring its flagship clearly with the minds of Minolta still a work?
2. Five years forward it is the Sony sensor in the A7R rattling the industry while Nikon steps back into 2008 (or even further) with a puristic-looking DSLR to appeal to which market niche? Catching-up with the retro design trend everywhere that is, no more.
Ignoring this move as playing to the current retro market trend is what I would call preposterous.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (5 months ago)

The problem with A900 and A850 was not style, but lack of support and follow-up from Sony, which is all over the map regarding photography. You get one of their camera, a few lenes, come back 3 years later and it's not supported anymore. What's happening with SLT? Will the A7 line last? How many dedicated lenses will they produce for it. Is NEX going or staying? That is the issue with Sony ILC systems, the A900/850 were excellent cameras, actually better then the D3x in many aspects (color for one), but Sony never made good on their promises.

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

I tend to agree with rhipetrus's observation.

One of the main problem with Sony is their lack of continuity and consistency in their product development. Sony is very good in innovation but is not good in keeping on the same track for long. Unlike electronic products, photographic products need long term commitment. DSLRs are system products. Professional photographers do not want to invest in a "system" that may change in a few years time. However, it is strange Sony is doing reasonably well in the professional video market but they are not extending the same support to the DSLR market.

Until now, Sony still cameras is being viewed as amateur products. Very few professional photographers would consider a Sony DSLR for their use.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (5 months ago)

Excellent post rhlpetrus,

That is exactly the issue with Sony, not that they can't make competent product, it's that they have no system support, and Sony users are OK with that, or they say they can use any other brand lens.

If you have to use other brands lenses, why bother purchasing a Sony?

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Bamboojled - that's mostly for E-mount.
In A-mount you don't really need to hope for 3rd party lenses unless you need something very specific (eg. Tilt & Shift).

white shadow - Rumor about sharing support between A-mount and video division floated around the web for like last 3 years. Sadly Sony decided to focus more on mirrorless and it seems they gave up this idea. New management in Sony is kinda clueless - they put all their bets on "wow" effect without really giving any thought for long-term relations with customers.

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oselimg
By oselimg (5 months ago)

No wood in sight...I ain't buying it

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (5 months ago)

Don't worry, there'll be a lucky red and gold model down the road.

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nasserdjawas
By nasserdjawas (5 months ago)

lower price than D610 about the same 7100..
no movie mode.

its P U R E photography.

dont mind me.. i talk too much.

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Antony John
By Antony John (5 months ago)

I expect this camera to come in at the price level that a D700 would have. Probably between the D610 and D800.

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

at 1600 lens included, one could consider to buy it, despite of the disadvantages it has. It can't compete with Sony's A7 anyway, for that it has not enough features, starting by 1/4000 speed limit and no video. This can be seen as low end entry camera with retro style look. At the price of D7100 it would be correct priced.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (5 months ago)

How is the A7's action AF? How many lenses will AF on it? For how long will Sony support the new system (look back at A900/850, now at SLT)? To get an A7/r one needs to know about that.

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buda1065
By buda1065 (5 months ago)

My idea of retro and sexy would be a digital S3 that accepts Voigtlander lenses, full-frame, of course. Where's the innovation here? For travel I prefer Fuji X and micro 43. The D600 stays at home.

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handrian
By handrian (5 months ago)

This retro style is very profitable.
The strip down a D610, without flash or proper grip, less mp, and sell it for more money.
And there are fashion victims who will buy this one instead of a D610.
I'm not interesting in Nikon DF, and I hope it will fail, and we will see less cameras like that in the future.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (5 months ago)

Why would you 'hope it fails', that's a poor attitude to have about life.....

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StevieF
By StevieF (5 months ago)

Your choice not to be interested - don't buy it then. As for your preferences alone dictating the market - that would be very dull indeed. Photography should have a buzz about it when using the camera - and if the price/specs stack up then I'm interested for a certain buzz factor.
Does that make me a bad person or fashion victim - I don't think so.
As for 'hoping Nikon fail so we'll see less cameras like that' - with the commercial pressures Nikon are under as essentially a camera business, any failures might mean less cameras, full stop. I hope it sells by the shed load, even if I don't eventually buy one.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (5 months ago)

You have not much knowledge of fashion, that is one thing for sure, not that it has to be bad thing.

This is aimed at those who like to experience the way they photographed in the past, or want to feel how photography was in the past (from an operational point of view) The camera has something special which will hopefully make you to rethink your comment after coming Monday.

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

the only thing that could make this fail is excessive pricing. I welcome a lower resolution camera, and nothing will be in the way to extend this camera series to 24 and 36 mpix, if it is successfull. This camera could attract elder photographers that do not seek video. It's disadvantage is 1/4000 speed limit, with a low resolution sensor and it's high sensitivity, you will need ND filters permanently with fast lenses. Here, Nikon has to do something. So, let's wait, 1350 to 1400 for the naked body, 1600 with the lens would be honest.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (5 months ago)

I think this camera may become the standard for photography schools. They still use film cameras to teach people about exposure, etc. Now they can have that and get digital training in one package.

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Yanko Kitanov
By Yanko Kitanov (5 months ago)

It really does look like a Pentax to me too.

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Juraj Lacko
By Juraj Lacko (5 months ago)

Re-branded Pentax

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (5 months ago)

LOL, how long have you been shooting?
The camera looks similar to Pentax only because of the squared appearance but it is taking it's design cues not from Pentax but from the Nikon F3 and FM2

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Justin Francis
By Justin Francis (5 months ago)

I'm not buying one unless they come out with a gold plated croc skin edition.

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lightleak
By lightleak (5 months ago)

Don't write stuff like that, Hasselblad is watching.

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Ian SS
By Ian SS (5 months ago)

Looking at the side view of the camera, it is thick compared to film camera, I would imagine that only the front view looks like a film camera. It would be interesting to see how many film camera features it retains and I would love to put my old AI-S lenses on it if it has an aperture ring on the camera body!

Obviously, this camera is not for everyone, it seems to target photographers that take their time on photo shooting as well as to feel...

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vFunct
By vFunct (5 months ago)

The reason mirror less cameras are unusable for press & sports is because they have a display lag.

You need either a Reflex system or a twin-lens system to do any press photojournalism. NO ONE wants to miss the shot by a split second.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (5 months ago)

This is not intrinsic to the method. In fact, mirrorless could have faster response (shutter press to image taken) than a dSLR.

For a 60 fps display, minimum "lag" between the actual event and the on screen display is 17 ms, which is of no consequence.

Its just a matter of getting the liveview imaging pipeline down to that kind of latency.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (5 months ago)

One example: To get a lag of 17 ms for an image of 15 MP, you need to expose it for e.g. 2 ms (1/500) and then empty the image in 15 ms, i.e. 1GP per second, and then convert it in no time at all.

As you can see - it is not easy.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

Everyone is saying this is going to be 3000 bux and to me this is just nuts. no way it is. this is just like when every one said the d800 was going to be 4400 it made no sense in the market. this is an attempt to gain some of the cool factor mirrorless has and have a hit. its tech specs are great but there is nothing to make you think it will cost more than 1800-2300 range. And dont say the d4 sensor. the s4 sensor is not what makes the d4 expensive

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (5 months ago)

It really depends on how Nikon wants to sell this: as a high profit niche camera to rich old guys, or as a real mass-market play to bring the <2k$ full frame market-share fight to the Sony a7.

Looking at the apparent quality of the camera, and considering its lack of mass-market appeal (no video!) I worry that they will bend more toward the former.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

i dont think the masses hardly ever shoot video with dslr

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T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

This is more of a niche product, not a mass market product. That's why it will be more expensive, not $1800-2200. This is definitely not a camera for everyone. It's for the slow-and-methodical shooter who takes his sweet time to set up a shot, dial in the settings, and take the shot. So it's more of a boutique camera within Nikon's product line. That means it will definitely be premium-priced. This is a camera aesthetically, stylistically, and financially aimed at the $90,000 Range Rover crowd. Just look at the videos! They clearly are not marketing a value-oriented product. Does that guy look like he cares about price?

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

sorry just not true. the viral campain the amount of excitement this has generated. this has mass appeal

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Raymond Cho
By Raymond Cho (5 months ago)

more pro features than the D610. AF-ON button, round viewfinder, normally reserved for the pro cameras like the F100, F series, D series, D700, D800. I think it's more than the D610 but prob at least the same as a D800 (body). i doubt its gonna be the D700 replacement that some think .. it's a retro, not a fast dynamic AF machine, fast FPS ... it's not a semi sports / wedding camera.

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T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

@Kodachrome200 - what "mass appeal"? It has merely generated curiosity based on mystery. That is not "mass appeal" that will translate to the Best Buy shopper flocking to this camera. "Mass appeal" is things like: fast shooting, touchscreen, art filters, specs-specs-specs, features galore. Not some lone dude in the country side slowing clicking his settings into place and pressing off a single shot. Most people will look at this ad and say, "What the heck? Looks like boring product." It's only a small niche of the market who will say, "Yeah, this is like my old manual film camera I grew up shooting back in the early 80's! Nostalgia city! Take my credit card number, please!"

Remember, the manual-oriented camera was driven out of the market by modern-interface cameras. "Mass appeal" didn't save the manual-interface camera the first time around. These interfaces have niche appeal. Mainly just the Leica crowd, these days.

You're mistaking curiosity for "mass appeal".

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

At the rate it is going, its a "mass curiosity" camera and a good target for all the trolls and whiners especially at DPR.

Its definitely a niche product for the "Leica type" crowd. Nothing wrong with that. There are many people who want a straight forward camera even if it cannot shoot video. Those who want video in a DSLR can look elsewhere. Why must everything be future looking? We can still listen to classical music in the 21st. century.

Isn't it beautiful to have more choices?

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

will see

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

There are some people who want an expensive camera even if they cannot shoot video or photo.

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

@ stevens37y

There are not many of such people. Those who collect cameras tend to go for Leica which has a higher perceived value.

Unlike mechanical film cameras, digital cameras are not worth collecting due to their short lifespan. Electronic sensors do not keep well. Once spoilt, they become useless and parts may not be available in the near future. This apply to their batteries too.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Mechanical film cameras are not really worth collecting either. Very, very few of them got any meaningful value these days and it seems like it's very unlikely to change. If anything - prices of these will go down as people who are found of them slowly die year by year.

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fmian
By fmian (5 months ago)

The very idea behind this camera is a joke as far as photography goes.
It undermines the very notion of what it means to be a photographer.
If people really wanted that old time pure feeling of using a manually controlled camera then they would just buy a manual film camera. And plenty of people are doing just that!
This camera will appeal to those who think of their cameras as more of a fashion accessory rather than an actual device to capture an intimate moment or a breathtaking scene.
It brings nothing new to the table and will serve to fill in the gap between honest talented photographers and those pretenders who think their new camera somehow makes a difference.
Another thumbs down to Nikon from myself and many others here I see.

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (5 months ago)

You’re wrong on every level. This camera appeals to people who want the simplicity of a film camera, with the convenience of digital. I’ve been hoping for something like this for ten years.

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T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

"If people really wanted that old time pure feeling of using a manually controlled camera then they would just buy a manual film camera."

"Manually controlled camera" does not necessarily mean "film camera". What's so wrong about offering a manually controlled camera that happens to be a digital camera? Sure, this camera isn't for everyone, but I don't see why every camera has to be a camera that everyone likes. This is a camera that clearly caters to a very specific market and a specific type of shooter. As much as I like a good modern camera, if I had an extra $3K sitting around, I certainly wouldn't mind having this camera. It offers a good change of pace, and certainly would bring something "new to the table", something different from the cameras I currently own. It's like gun collectors who like shooting with different types of guns, car enthusiasts who like to drive different cars, etc.

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groucher
By groucher (5 months ago)

And what exactly has any manufacturer brought to the table that is of fundamental importance since PASM and autofocus? Face recognition? scene selections? in-camera processing? lcd displays? - at best, these are all trivial aids for newbies who think they need them and at worst they get in the way by adding weight and a plethora of controls to the camera. It's the over supply of useless features and associated knobs that undermines photography.

Having said that, the back of the Fd so far revealed would indicate that it is likely to be a shrink-wrapped D800 (a retro camera only in appearance as with the OM whatsit) but I'll reserve judgement till we know more.

Doubtless, this camera will sell by the bucket-load and will prompt Nikon into releasing a true digital FM/FE in the future.

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T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

@groucher - "Doubtless, this camera will sell by the bucket-load and will prompt Nikon into releasing a true digital FM/FE in the future."

No, I don't think it will sell by the bucketload, unless you're talking about small buckets. This is a niche camera. Nikon has other cameras designed and priced to sell by the bucketload. This one will be more of a boutique, lower-volume product.

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Cartagena Photo
By Cartagena Photo (5 months ago)

Correct. Sony is on the opposite doing just the right thing with Sony a7r and a7..
My old Sony a900 also has a very distinct prism house and my old Konica Minolta dynax 7d also looks a bit like this and the Olympus cameras also. It's new wine on old bags. But maybe it will be revolutionary inside.

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jase
By jase (5 months ago)

"undermines the very notion of what it means to be a photographer"?

I think the history of photography and the many great photographers of the present and past undermine the very notion of your argument.

More than anything else I want a 1970s film camera with a digital back. Optional autofocus and occasionally Shutter Priority and a faster sync speed aside I can't think of any function missing from my 1966 Nikon F that I want or need.

Perhaps you should try shooting with a camera that doesn't do it all for you. I find the less technology between me and the lens the better the experience. Photography is not menus, submenus and earlobe detection modes, it's light, composition, focal length and the balance of shutter speed and aperture with film or sensor sensitivity.

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Revup
By Revup (5 months ago)

I have sypathies with your view Fmian. And it does depend on the marketing and price. The DF will be a very desirable camera. The direct, simple, uncluttered by menu controls, without programmes (so that I'm in charge.) is what I've been looking for since digital arrived. I still shoot with an FM3A, and if a digital version of this was available I'd think about trading in. As for missing shots, I've missed less with the FM3A, than I have faffing about with modes and autofocus on the D700. I think the D700 is a brilliant camera, but I don't need it to do all that it does.
BUT - BIG BUT - if It's a toss up between a a really expensive (leica ish) stripped down FD, or a currently priced D800, I'm afraid I'd buy the D800. As you point out Fmian, there is no point in paying big bucks for less! I don't need a fashion accessory, I want a basic no frills DSLR.
If Nikon are really following the digital FM idea, then the FD will be priced between a D600 and a D800. but will it?

The Rev

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fmian
By fmian (5 months ago)

By Mark Alan Thomas "This camera appeals to people who want the simplicity of a film camera"
But it doesn't. Look at all those buttons over this camera!
By T3 ""Manually controlled camera" does not necessarily mean "film camera"."
Well it does in this instance because we have a bunch of Auto settings on this camera while Nikon seem to be targeting it to people who want that PURE manual feel.
By groucher "And what exactly has any manufacturer brought to the table"
In terms of usage the only thing I can think of is Fuji's hybrid VF
By jase "Perhaps you should try shooting with a camera that doesn't do it all for you."
Sure, I'll just be over here with my 120 camera shooting still life on PanF while taking into account EXP COMP for red filters and reciprocity failure. Oh, and I'll have to make sure I use a suitable dilution of rodinal to bring out the shadows.
This camera is essentially just about the design. Nothing else.
It's simply a mask put over one of their other cameras.

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T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

@fmian - "This camera is essentially just about the design. Nothing else."

Practically everything is about design, you buffoon. Engineers and designers *design* all kinds of products to look, feel, handle, and function a certain way. And when it comes to user interface, how a human interacts with a camera, especially with something has handling-intensive as a camera, yes design is very important! So don't be a fool be dismissing the essential importance of design.

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fmian
By fmian (5 months ago)

T3, I was talking about the way it looks.
Won't know until it is released but I'd wager when you put it up to your eye it'll be just like using a D600 and nothing like an FM. Including a convoluted menu system and overcomplicated AF system.
I mean, the top LCD panel has been replaced by a shutter dial and what I am guessing is an exposure comp dial on the other side. Big deal.

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Panasonicus
By Panasonicus (5 months ago)

For someone who grew up with and owned many Nikon film cameras this may be appealing. However, the price will no doubt be horrendous and I, for one, will remain with my super light weight and fabulously good DSLM system for what is probably a fraction of the cost of a heavy retro Nikon that will probably be made in China.

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (5 months ago)

ok Nikon experts.. What's different from this camera compared to...let's say, D600 or D800 or D4, apart from all the manual controls ala old time film cameras? Let's put this in other words. What makes it special apart from the manual controls?

All I see is a camera with a Retro look. Unless it has all the good things from the past (interchangeable parts for example) I don't see what's so special about it. Unless we are talking about a new film camera.

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Revup
By Revup (5 months ago)

Rooru

What makes it special (I hope) ARE the manual controls - no (or at least far less) menu's sub menu's and customising options. More direct involvement in the picture taking process.
For that of course I would want to spend less, or indeed maybe equal money to a similar spec DSLR with all the frills. But as some are pointing out, the FD may be D4 money, and if that's te case I'll be dissapointed.

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tabloid
By tabloid (5 months ago)

Lots of professional photographers now use mirror less cameras.

Me for one.

Its the future, or should i say its the present.

Just look at the new full frame cameras from Sony. (A7 and A7R).

If those cameras like the A7 and A7R had the new Canon 70D sensor they would world beaters.

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (5 months ago)

Presently mirrorless cameras in general have sucky AF, aren't as speedy nor have as much battery life as DSLRs do. Now with the A7R IQ/DR/ISO performance are on par but again it's slow and without fantastic AF in comparison. Enough for most people or even pros? Sure, but not all pros or the fields they are in are equal.
Also, so long as FF lenses remain huge, a large body with a real grip will be preferred

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Panasonicus
By Panasonicus (5 months ago)

My Panasonic G3 has super fast AF and I plan to upgrade to an even faster G6 when the price eases a little. However, you are right about battery life for the Panasonic line: horrendous.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

almost no professional photographers use mirrorless it is next to unheard of and makes no sense in a professional setting and i looked your gallery and there is simple no way you are making your living in this industry.

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vFunct
By vFunct (5 months ago)

Yah, no working professional uses mirror less.

NO ONE.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

its incredible unusual

3 upvotes
Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

as in medium format is far more common in professional photography

0 upvotes
jase
By jase (5 months ago)

Damian McGillicuddy - glamour and fashion (OMD EM5, EM1), Zack Arias - editorial and commercial (Fuji XPRO1, X100S), Ming Thein - Travel (OMD EM5, EM1) and loads of the people in the Magnum Photos Co-operative do.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (5 months ago)

thats exactly 3 people and they all are top shooter. arias is a fuji spokesman.

most pro photographers shoot things like wedding high end portraits and corporate accounts not editrorial fashion.

Also ming's professional work is not the travel stuff its the product stuff witch i think he still shoots with a nikon

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shigzeo ?
By shigzeo ? (5 months ago)

I shoot advertising and catalogue images for audio companies (headphones/earphones/amps) mainly. Currently I'm using a D800 but am looking to replace it with a Sony A7R because what I need more than anything is time- time to move, time to adjust, time to add new reflectors, grips, and angle lights. The D800's live view isn't good enough. It is grainy and hard to focus in dark situations even with bright modelling lights.

There are heaps and heaps of professional applications beyond the typical wedding/sprot/photo journalist niches out there. And a number of people who make their living off images are using mirror less cameras. They are few for sure, but every year are growing.

I also shoot 'snapshot' (as they are called in Japan) of school field trips and typically I use a Fuji X-Pro 1 and a 12 mm lens. The Fuji's flash sync is poor and the battery life short and the SD card interaction isn't great but it works. I'd rather carry 2 XPro than 2 D800s.

0 upvotes
b craw
By b craw (5 months ago)

Kodachrome200: your definition of "professional" is very narrow. I am an active artist showing in galleries and a professor of photography. I produce profession images from mirrorless cameras.

Why do many cling to the idea of exclusivity?

0 upvotes
dark goob
By dark goob (5 months ago)

It's gonna be the same sensor as the D4 and cost at least $3,000.

Nikon: resurrecting 135F-format one old, wealthy white guy at a time.

8 upvotes
jkokich
By jkokich (5 months ago)

I love retro styling as much as the next person, but isn't a camera about taking pictures?

0 upvotes
T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

In an age when any DSLR in the market can produce great pictures (never mind the obsessive pixel peeping that some people are pre-occupied with), a big differentiator between cameras can definitely be style. It's like cars. Sure, you can say "Isn't a car about driving?" Yes, but most cars meet that criteria quite well. So many people choose one car over another based on style. I'm sure many people will give the same consideration to this DF camera: it probably has much of the same guts of another Nikon DSLR, but they'll choose this one based the fact that they love it "retro" style of body.

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StevieF
By StevieF (5 months ago)

Got it in one - different strokes for different folks - we choose for different reasons, visual appeal being a big one (ironic as we're talking photography here) in the overall mix. It certainly appeals to me as a first impression.

0 upvotes
capanikon
By capanikon (5 months ago)

I like it. This is a great direction. I used a Nikon FM2n for years. It is the best manual SLR I have ever used.

4 upvotes
vFunct
By vFunct (5 months ago)

Has anyone ever seen a professional photographer at a press event use anything BESIDES a Nikon or Canon?

All other manufacturers are a JOKE compared to these kings.

Mirrorless camera's are even WORSE than jokes.

There are absolutely ZERO Photojournalists in this world that use a mirror less camera. They are completely useless!

The only people that use mirror less cameras are measurebators! HAHA!

Really kiddos, stop playing with your mirror less camera and get a grown up camera like a Nikon.

Seriously, has anyone actually ever seen a photographer at a press event that uses anything besides a Nikon or Canon?

Of the 150 photographers at Fashion Week or a Sporting Event, I noticed that ALL used Nikon or Canon. HAHA!

All the other cameras must be used by girly weaklings.

7 upvotes
Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (5 months ago)

"that uses anything besides a Nikon or Canon?"

...or Smartphones. HAHA

5 upvotes
succedane
By succedane (5 months ago)

Professionnals do photography to make money.
Some amateurs love photography. They use other cameras.

1 upvote
FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (5 months ago)

"All the other cameras must be used by girly weaklings."

vFunct, i read in your comments you are a great iPhone camera fan :-)

2 upvotes
FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (5 months ago)

I guess that's why now you want to buy a "cheap" "king" so you can be a real man.

If you want to become a real man best start by reading a good book.

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Gazeomon
By Gazeomon (5 months ago)

To dFunct
Must be a hard life living with a single digit IQ.

5 upvotes
dark goob
By dark goob (5 months ago)

I was at a press event with my E-M1 the other day. I had to step over homeless Chicago press photographers who tried to sell me their D4's on the way in.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (5 months ago)

@dark goob Too true, hehe. That made me LOL.

But vFunkt makes a valid point, and there is probably a reason for it.

Comment edited 34 seconds after posting
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wootpile
By wootpile (5 months ago)

But are press photographers photographers? I was one for a year and a half. I quit because there was nothing photography about it - just stress and lugging heavy gear around that did it all on auto. High fps, superb AF, mega-long battery life and enough pixels to crop heavily. That's all that was needed.

"Photography".. is something else. That's why retro is cool. But this new camera is a mashup. Not retro enough, not light enough. It's like trying to make a "pro retro". Still... I want one :)

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (5 months ago)

girly weaklings? Oh my...you must be the most manly photog ever.

But Seriously, this is a free world and there are people changing their FF dslrs and now are shooting with mirrorless due to back pain or others just want something easier to carry around. And last time I was at a press event, I saw more cameras brands than just Canon and Nikon.

Yes, Canon and Nikon are the best brands for people who makes money with photography, but not necessarily the best brands for people who love to make photography with their money.

0 upvotes
stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

snobby trolling

0 upvotes
Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (5 months ago)

Well vFunct I did chuckle a bit, but it doesn't sound like you've even been to a press event, maybe just once or twice? That's not enough to justify anything

0 upvotes
Panasonicus
By Panasonicus (5 months ago)

Or used by those who travel and do not want to carry around heavy cases or be charged and elbow and knee by rip-off airlines for excess baggage. I love my Panasonic G3 as the quality is on a par with Nikon or Canon and the size and weight advantages are huge. Then there is all that Leica glass too!

0 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

Until now ......

0 upvotes
kkol
By kkol (5 months ago)

I hope the viewfinder comes with a split-image screen , and is as bright as that of FM2

3 upvotes
samfan
By samfan (5 months ago)

I doubt it comes with a split-image since it's obviously automated enough to need the usual AF point selector...

0 upvotes
capanikon
By capanikon (5 months ago)

Bright screens are less accurate. Canon's Chuck Westfall addressed this a few years ago. Canon specifically makes a dark screen for more accurate focus. No joke.

0 upvotes
capanikon
By capanikon (5 months ago)

"Canon offers an optional focusing screen called the Ee-S Super Precision Matte Screen. This focusing screen uses more powerful microlenses than the standard Ee-A screen, with the result that out-of-focus areas in the viewfinder are more accurate to the actual depth of field in the resulting image. This has the effect of making it easier to determine the exact point of focus during manual focusing, especially with high-speed lenses like the EF50mm f/1.4 USM or EF50mm f/1.2L USM. However, it also has the effect of making the Ee-S focusing screen noticeably darker than the Ee-A screen when using lenses with maximum apertures smaller than f/2.8. (No free lunch!)" -- http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0804/tech-tips.html

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

if one wants to work with manual focusing and an OVF, only a split stigmo/fresnel screen can do the job. Focus peaking assist works only with EVF. I use a stigmo/fresnel in my Fuji S5.

0 upvotes
rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (5 months ago)

I hope the split screen comes back, that's one thing that would differentiate this camera and possible reason for the bulky pentaprism housing.

0 upvotes
samfan
By samfan (5 months ago)

I appreciate and welcome photography-centric cameras very much. That said, this one seems to be just some other FX Nikon SLR repackaged to have a retro look. What we could see of the back of the camera, it appears to be just another plastic gadget with a crapload of buttons.

I expected this camera to be completely made of metal at least. Proper metal on the outside, not just the frame. I also hoped Nikon will bring something new to the table, not just more gadgety buttons.

Yes, of course I do like advanced functionality in my camera. I just don't see what is supposed to be so pure about this one. To me it looks like retro fad.

I may still like it since it doesn't have video but Nikon is obviously way too pretentious with this one and I'm predicting it's going to blow up in their face,especially if it turns out to be just an overpriced typical SLR.

and inb4... No, I haven't seen it live, but I have a few Nikon SLR and the back is obviously the same material.

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (5 months ago)

Great, it is the Nikon F of the digital era.

I love the looks, and it seems very solid.

It is a camera I want to buy almost only for the good retro look.

Well done Nikon.

4 upvotes
Summit_pg
By Summit_pg (5 months ago)

This will look great with my skinny jeans!

3 upvotes
Catalana
By Catalana (5 months ago)

But I hope you have greying hair and stubble on your chin and cheeks as well. One has to fit the image...

1 upvote
Catalana
By Catalana (5 months ago)

Very entertaining commentary. I'm sure that this camera will hit the sweet spot with quite a few folks, the only issue being the price. I don't try to speculate too much about features, but if this body turns out to produce excellent "image quality", I might consider it.
And just to be cheeky, I want to plug the D600. It is still one of the best cameras in regards to image quality. :-)

3 upvotes
FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (5 months ago)

The D600 is crippled to make people buy the more expensive D800 when they realise. Also like the D610 it suffers from splattering oil onto the sensor. Since years Nikon doesn't care and is unwilling to solve those quality problems.

0 upvotes
dark goob
By dark goob (5 months ago)

Easier just to rename it.

0 upvotes
mark25
By mark25 (5 months ago)

i think it is going to be a digital 'F3' of some sort. i am basing my assumption on the prism and the straight-lined design...

i also think it is going to have a video feature, although it may not be as fancy as on the other models today.

yes, it will be a niche product, but there are buyers for such products and many photographers, including myself, don't mind the simplicity of dialing in one setting (aperture or shutter) and carry on shooting!

that said, there is nothing wrong with the D800 or the D610.. nikon makes interesting products and this is, i believe, their attempt to show that they can do retro style cameras, and do them well.

there 'will be' some criticism on the front v/s the back design, because i can sense that the back will be more in line with the current camera design, i.e. buttons and LCD and the 4-way controller etc... the same that happened with the Fuji X100... many people thought it was beautiful from the front, but the back was not so much...

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arndsan
By arndsan (5 months ago)

love the design and all the external dials - but is there still a little LCD somewhere? Don't like to switch on the big screen to check the settings.

0 upvotes
Antony John
By Antony John (5 months ago)

You read the settings right off the dial knobs - no batteries required.

1 upvote
jtan163
By jtan163 (5 months ago)

"no batteries required" - except to power the sensor, and imaging pipeline and presumably write the images to SD/CF.

But apart from that, as you say - no batteries required.
:-)

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arndsan
By arndsan (5 months ago)

Yes, i know that concept -but that will be not much more then on my D800. - just the time set.
ISO/Shots available and a idea about the metering before you lift up your camera to the eye is great.

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T3
By T3 (5 months ago)

@Antony John - Right, as if a little monochrome LCD screen was such a huge power suck. Besides, today's modern cameras need to convey a lot more information about settings than old manual film cameras did. Things like shutter speed, aperture (since lenses don't use aperture rings anymore), WB, drive mode, metering mode, shot count, battery level, etc. And its helpful to have these settings visible in one place at a glance. Somehow, this DF camera will have to find a way to convey this information conveniently. And I suspect those methods will still consume power.

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clambin89
By clambin89 (5 months ago)

Stoked to see this eventuate into reality !
No video oh well my d800 will fill that role .
Can think of nothing better than having this in my
bag for pick up shots on assignment , dusk low light
50 1.2 combo comes to mind.
If the sensor is the same or similar as in the D4 then
All the better ,16meg is easily enough for a full page
Spread.
Seen lots of haters in previous comments each to their own
I've worked with the F series and the D series and am personally looking forward
to some FE and fast prime style goodness.
Will also make a nice second body for rock concerts??
Happy Days

1 upvote
ajamess
By ajamess (5 months ago)

I'm excited. F- all the haters. Just thinking about this camera made me pick up my Mamiya 645 again and shoot a roll of 120, and that makes me smile.

7 upvotes
mark25
By mark25 (5 months ago)

that particular feeling you shared about shooting a roll of 120 film all over again is something many, many here just won't understand. ever.

i think of photography as being on a date, the longer, the better! at times, i just take out my RB67 and just do framing without shooting, just to be able to spend sometime with the camera... i develop my own film (Black & White) and seldom feel tired or bored... then there's the scanning or the enlarger printing... many folks today tend to focus solely on how beautiful or ugly a camera is, without realizing that its a photographic tool and can be immensely enjoyed if one slows down a little :) i feel like i'm in heaven when i photograph my wife with my 'ancient' Olympus EP-2 and a minolta 50 1.2 lens!

3 upvotes
d2f
By d2f (5 months ago)

I wish Nikon would just get to the point and allow sites like this one to post their first impressions without the marketing videos release. This kind of marketing game went out with disco years ago and leaves Nikon fans and working pros wondering what kind of idiot at corporate signed off on it. Meanwhile Canon, Sony and others watch and learn from Nikon's mistakes. Hopefully Nikon did not pay to much for the cheesy videos and will fire their marketing executive on November 5th.

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (5 months ago)

“to” should be “too”

1 upvote
Len_Gee
By Len_Gee (5 months ago)

I pre-order.
Will you?

Comment edited 42 seconds after posting
1 upvote
Miwok
By Miwok (5 months ago)

Nop! My actual 4 years old camera still working great.

0 upvotes
Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (5 months ago)

It is just another camera! The size is not much smaller than a D700 or D800, which I own. I don't see any advantage of the DF over these cameras for now.
I rather put my money into a new lens.

0 upvotes
InTheMist
By InTheMist (5 months ago)

Yep. Unless there's some horrible gotcha.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (5 months ago)

Not exactly a minimalist clone of an FM Nikon was talking about. More like an FM prism grafted on a D7100 body.

1 upvote
TrapperJohn
By TrapperJohn (5 months ago)

Looks nice, but it also looks like a standard large, fat DSLR with a retro body. I'd love to dig my old F3 out and use it with a digital back (now there's an idea) but this doesn't really advance the state of the art any.

Is Nikon missing the point? The Oly EM5 wasn't successful because it looked like an OM1. It was successful because it was smaller, quite a bit smaller, and so are the lenses. It may look old, but it's packed with new ideas. And it's the new, interesting approach that makes it appealing, especially the lack of bulk that makes using it less of a chore and more, well, fun.

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

The Oly EM5 is smaller because it is a Micro 4/3. This Nikon is a full frame with a traditional prism and most of its traditional dials. Thus, it cannot be very small.

Unlike a film SLR camera, it need the space for all the electronic circuit parts and perhaps still have an LCD screen. So, there you are.

4 upvotes
CFynn
By CFynn (5 months ago)

Could have been smaller.

Stick a prism and a mirror box on a Leica M9 and you come up with a smaller size

0 upvotes
Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (5 months ago)

Ya and it costs $10,000 without a lens.

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hanoman
By hanoman (5 months ago)

Look at the Canon 100D, it can be D7100 size

0 upvotes
DVT80111
By DVT80111 (5 months ago)

Folks, what's the excitement here? It is still a thick body, what's the difference?

8 upvotes
Joe Wiegman
By Joe Wiegman (5 months ago)

Way cool. I started with an old Olympus OM-2s 35mm and the look and feel was awesome. Glad to see Nikon making a updated classic design. Just hope the cost doesn't leave me gasping for air.

1 upvote
Duckie
By Duckie (5 months ago)

Teasers are a waste of time. My money is here and get it if you can Nikon (remember to delivery on the products though).

1 upvote
anthony mazzeri
By anthony mazzeri (5 months ago)

Will the price be retro as well in 1982 dollars?

8 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

I hope so too but it is very unlikely we would get it at a 1982 price of a manual Nikon 35mm camera. If the finishing is made of magnesium alloy and is weatherproof, this full frame DSLR should cost about $3,000.

Let's hope it will deliver excellent result.

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

one more reason again not to buy one, and another reason for Nikon to remain sitting on it. This is an entry level camera, the 1/4000 confirms this, the 38 AF point autofocus from D600 as well. so, no video, reduced shutter speed, smaller body, manual dialing, reduced to F mount lenses only, 1400$ for the body alone. beyond that, close the catalog and put it in the waste bin. Look at Sony A7 features all over, and you will be aware why any pricing higher than 1400$ for the body and 1650$ with the lens will be deadly for it. Sony went back wth the feet on the ground, offering a trendbreaking technology for a fair price, so why could Nikon do this for one time too.

0 upvotes
photo perzon
By photo perzon (5 months ago)

I gave Nikon 10 years of my life with its strange buttons and long menus. This one looks fat.

1 upvote
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (5 months ago)

Nikon please don't ever use the number "1" again...

It's not good for your brand awareness.

and self respect.

.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

maybe the Nikon 2 is around the corner now.

1 upvote
vFunct
By vFunct (5 months ago)

Nikon makes the best cameras - better than Canon.

Nothing else is even in the same league.

Whenever I go to a press event, all the professional photographers are using Nikon or Canon.

There is absolutely nothing else.

Mirrorless cameras are garbage, strictly used by amateurs that do not know professional photography.

This new Nikon is just icing on their top-shelf cake.

8 upvotes
d3xmeister
By d3xmeister (5 months ago)

Are you on this planet ?

21 upvotes
Gazeomon
By Gazeomon (5 months ago)

Did they let You escape again ?!

9 upvotes
dkyl
By dkyl (5 months ago)

I don't know what's more irritating. A fanboy or hater??

8 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

it looks more like "Photoshop makes anything possible"

3 upvotes
WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (5 months ago)

To vFunct: Oh, my ! How old are you, dude ?

7 upvotes
Rylen78
By Rylen78 (5 months ago)

Why do I read comments that have heaps of 'Likes'

vFunct = kid

0 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (5 months ago)

"This message was brought to you buy the People who Support Nikons, a Nikon Inc. company."

0 upvotes
Len_Gee
By Len_Gee (5 months ago)

WTF have you been smoking?
Or is you blind?

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (5 months ago)

sarcasm?

0 upvotes
olypan
By olypan (5 months ago)

By vFunct (2 hours ago)
Nikon makes the best cameras - better than Canon.

Nothing else is even in the same league.

Whenever I go to a press event, all the professional photographers are using Nikon or Canon.

There is absolutely nothing else.

Mirrorless cameras are garbage, strictly used by amateurs that do not know professional photography.

This new Nikon is just icing on their top-shelf cake.

You're up late for a school night.

Comment edited 29 seconds after posting
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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (5 months ago)

So the Nikon V1 and V2 are garbage you say?
Please go to the Nikon 1 forum and get bashed.

1 upvote
Kurnia Lim
By Kurnia Lim (5 months ago)

Hmm I never hear your name among other pro photographer anyway. Seriously, how much pro are you? Are you as pro as Zack Arias, Michael Yamashita, Joe McNally, or maybe Ansel Adams? Nothing else is even in the same league huh? Why don't compare your photos with Mike Yamashita, can your work beat his Sony? Remember, Sony is out of the league though, you should do better :D LOL

0 upvotes
hayely
By hayely (5 months ago)

They carefully avoid showing the base of the pentaprism. Maybe it is removable?

0 upvotes
Edmond Leung
By Edmond Leung (5 months ago)

If it is removable.... like the F, F2, F3....
It really a Great camera in the digital era!
A real combination of the benefits of optical and digital.

2 upvotes
Antony John
By Antony John (5 months ago)

It won't be but if they have interchangeable focus screens ....

0 upvotes
Raymond Cho
By Raymond Cho (5 months ago)

would not a die hard fan just shoot film film and lab services are readily available in cities plus b/w processing is easy, got my first one done without issues just a few months back. it's like getting a mustang and put in a electric engine with builtin satnav and complaining that it doesn't have auto wipers or it may well have that too .. that may be $3,000 per product cycle into film and lab cost.

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dkyl
By dkyl (5 months ago)

I think people miss the old-school ergonomics, not shooting film.
Its more like some people prefer a Nissan GTR with all the techno wizardry whilst others prefer a Lotus or Caterham. Great performances all round, but very different experiences.

5 upvotes
WilliamJ
By WilliamJ (5 months ago)

Exactly, a lot of people love riding a Yamaha because it's nice and convenient, but some do prefer Harley Davidson for the big thrill !

0 upvotes
Vignes
By Vignes (5 months ago)

Riding a HD is trilling...Hmm. Guess what do they use in MotoGP, HD or Yamaha? HD is like 80% marketing and 20% R&D where else Yamaha is the other way round. It's about the results not the marketing hype.

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

Tell this to a HD Hell Angel. Some just like the sound of the HD. Some find it irritating. Some just like the "cool" feel and look.

Anyway, no one really need it as a mean of transport.

0 upvotes
LarryK
By LarryK (5 months ago)

Try processing Kodachrome.

0 upvotes
Holger Drallmeyer
By Holger Drallmeyer (5 months ago)

Enough with this retro garbage already . Buy a freaking film camera and get it over with.

6 upvotes
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