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Retro Nikon 'DF' emerges from the shadows

By dpreview staff on Nov 1, 2013 at 17:51 GMT

The rumored retro-styled full frame camera from Nikon looks to be coming. The latest teaser video from Nikon offers the clearest view of what the camera will look like, with close-up shots of the camera's side, back, and top-plate (including traditional shutter speed dial). The fifth of November looks like it could be memorable for more than just our UK audience. Check out the full video below the screen shots. 

The front of the camera, rumored to be called the 'DF', - assembled from the video (and showing dials on the top plate missing from the previous video).
The top of the camera, showing a seemingly lockable shutter speed dial.
The rear controls of the camera - looking consistent with the company's modern DSLRs.
While it doesn't look quite as slim as a film SLR, the camera looks much more like a classic Nikon than any of the company's recent FX DSLRs.

'It's in my hands again': Episode 5


See what's been previously reported. Your thoughts on what you've seen so far? 
Source: Nikon

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Parry Johnson
By Parry Johnson (5 months ago)

Nikon realizes that there is a market for a simpler dSLR, so why not make it simple and affordable for beginners? If I think back to the "pure photography" I did with my Praktica LTL3, then later with a Canon FT-B, F1N and then F2A and FE, all these cameras had basic functions. I had a Super 8 camera for movies.

So if simplicity is the point, and every bell and whistle such as video aren't needed, why not produce a $1200 basic non-AF 16MP metal body with a split-image/microprism focus screen? Surely THAT's what most of us want in a retro camera.

Besides, I'd wager that more than 99% of us here who already have Nikon cameras also have newer lenses that are designed to work best with digital sensors. Even if I had a retro dSLR, I don't really see the point of using a 50-year-old lens unless a certain quality in a print is desired -- that can be done in post-processing.

No thank-you, I'll just turn my dSLRs to manual focus and exposure and slow down to take a better shot. Purely.

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (5 months ago)

IT costs $3 grand because Nikon is losing money on the JUNK they sell and this is a desperate attempt at "cashing -in"

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pdelux
By pdelux (5 months ago)

Can someone explain to me why this Costs almost $3K, is it because it has no direct competition?

Its a very pretty camera, but there a lots of pretty cameras.. is it just a stripped down D4 with added manual controls? Havent seen the specs yet but I doubt it will be a sports FPS monster like a D4? So where is the Moulah going to?

Its built like a brick, somewhat unnecessarily. I mean D4 needs the bulk for batteries portrait grip.. etc..

Please enlighten me.

Thanks

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

My guess is this camera is Nikon's shot at the premium/boutique product category.

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kkol
By kkol (5 months ago)

I honestly doubt if Nikon knows what consumers would expect from a retro camera. In my case, give me digital functions in a FM2 body, call it FM2D (or simply D without that nasty serif f) and I am ready to surrender my wallet.

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nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (5 months ago)

No video? Exqueeze me? Is this 2007? I mean even companies like Fuji who couldn't care less about video tack it on. It's a software solution, for chrissake. You've got a D4 processor and won't enable basic video functionality? A7 it is..

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pdelux
By pdelux (5 months ago)

I doubt its just a software solution...(although it could be but wouldnt be any good). Good video demands different hardware requirements, or else every camera could easily do good video. Only a couple stand out (5D, GH3)

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

Err.. D800? Since this has Live view and HDMI out, I wouldnt be surprised to get video via a firmware update later- there are plenty of buttons you could use to press record..

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

Ah, no mic input and small batteries- well you could strap on a ninja I guess and plug audio into that if you really wanted to. Personally Id just use a camera designed for filming, or my D800.

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d2f
By d2f (5 months ago)

If I were at Nikon's IR&D department I would have come up with a F2 DE-1 equivalent camera. No built in flash or hot shoe, no video, no thumb wheels or buttons. But maybe include a voice control interface. The LCD touch screen would be reversible so as to complete the retro look. I would hire Apple to handle the human interface design and develop the processor. I would include a sensor that would not require HDR. And get this I would bring back interchangeable finders. Maybe the different finders would include the wi-fi and or GPS attributes. The motor drive unit would include all the interfaces normally found on a pro DSLR, keeping the body clean and light weight as possible. Also I would eliminate those memory cards by building in 128 GB of ultra fast memory. The motor drive base would allow for secondary, removable memory cards. That is a camera I would not mind spending the big bucks for.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (5 months ago)

Here is your camera, just get some film for it ;)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-F2-Photomic-Black-with-Box-Mint-very-beautiful-and-clean-/281200774757?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item4178df4e65

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (5 months ago)

16MP DF for $2,746.95 vs 36MP Sony A7r for $2,298 !

36MP Sony A7r :
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3797/10549831816_15ff6e63a5_o.jpg

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

Add the price of the 55 f/1.8 normal lens to the Sony A7r and it's $3300 to $3000 for the Nikon.

And if you choose the Sony A7r, make sure your computer has a fast processor and as much RAM as possible. You'll need it.

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Mr Haight
By Mr Haight (5 months ago)

Well in all fairness he shouldn't have been posting the A7R. People looking for 36MP are going to be in it for a reason. Better comparison would be the A7 and 24 MP's with kit lens for $1999.

This DF has looks and beyond that to me it's a d700 with a 4MP bump.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (5 months ago)

50 years of lenses vs. over priced 55 f1.8
$3000 vs. $3300 with 50 1.8 for each.
5.5 frames per second with continuos focus tracking vs. ??
A robust system vs. a brand new system
Better balance for tele lenses vs. small body
Fantastic flash system/ with wireless capability vs. regular flash

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

He's right about the flash system. (But not about the 50 year old lenses or that a big telephoto will balance better on the world's lightest SLR).

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El Profe
By El Profe (5 months ago)

Looks like the style of body, or camera, I have been wishing for years... I started photography when focusing and metering was done manually. I know todays cameras have auto focus and automatically meter scenes in order to help the job be done faster. But also has too many options that practically no body uses. Not professional photographers. And much less amateurs who usually keep their cameras in Auto or Program settings... Is time for camera bodies to go back to simpler dial controls with just one dial to set shutter speed (maybe with 1 or 2 customizable Program positions), an aperture dial or control ring in the lens mount (like the old Olympus OM-1), and one dial to select the ISO speed. And one buttom to select the type of metering and focus area (spot, central, etc). There is no need to take space in the top of the camera to put a top LCD to tell me the ISO, shutter speed, and aperture that I selected. To show it on the viewfinder and at the back LCD display is more than enough.

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (5 months ago)

Surely a great camera for those interested but no thanks for me.

2 upvotes
dannyboy5400
By dannyboy5400 (5 months ago)

This camera is overpriced and will sell as well as hot chocolate in Phoenix on a summer day.

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (5 months ago)

just take a look and you'd be surprised how many hot chocolate slurpers are in line already

3 upvotes
NCB
By NCB (5 months ago)

I was last in Phoenix 32 years ago. Thought the hot chocolate was great.

1 upvote
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (5 months ago)

http://www.sendascoop.com/blog/?p=161

Alaskans eat more Ice Cream per capita than any other state soooo...

2 upvotes
nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (5 months ago)

It's also the suicide capitol..

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Eduardoo
By Eduardoo (5 months ago)

It surely is one sexy camera. It's the operation that makes me wonder: the leaked top photo shows the mode dial in the M setting, and the speed dial in the 1/3 setting. The top LCD shows a speed of 1/125. Where on earth does that speed come from?

Also what happens if the mode dial is set to S and the speed dial is set to 1/125? Who wins?

Too soon to know, of course, but makes you wonder.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

http://fstoppers.com/the-nikon-df-represents-everything-wrong-with-photography

i think he is spot on when it comes to the ergonomics...

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

Although the fstoppers guy has never seen or shot with the Nikon DF, doesn't know the specs, hasn't read the manual, he's going to write a click bait blog post with a negative, sensational troll title? Give me a break.

Click bait blog posts by gear heads represent everything wrong with the internet. That is for sure.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

i guess one thing all nikon user are very happy about is that this camera has NO video.
it is so much cheaper because it has no video features.
imagine what this camera would cost with video features.
hats of to nikon for this bold move!!!

and it shows that 36 MP are just gimmicks for newbies.
when it´s about pure photography then 16 MP are enough.

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bohemyo13
By bohemyo13 (5 months ago)

It's a digital version of Nikon F. Maybe that is why B&H Photovideo is selling an old Nikon F fully-manual slr.

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njkdo
By njkdo (5 months ago)

Sorry, what are we talking about?

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57even
By 57even (5 months ago)

So? Retro sells and Nikon is a business. If you don't like it there's three other FF models to choose from which look reasonably ugly and have the ISO button in a really dumb place.

2 upvotes
Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

if this overpriced camera sells is to be seen.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

It will sell like crazy for the next few months. I was hoping for a retro finish--black enamel on brass--instead of the crinkle finish on the suddenly ugly D610 and D800.

Interesting that the same people who said your computer was a wimp because it couldn't handle the D800 are now saying that fewer megapixels than the D610 is what you should have gotten in the first place.

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Thoughts
By Thoughts (5 months ago)

I bet Canon is working a camera with a hump too...

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

Just a guess but I think it's more likely Jimmy Hoffa will turn up than Canon will "innovate" a retro DSLR.

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (5 months ago)

Press photo of the body has been leaked out. Search for yourself.

The thing is uglier than my butt. Total chaos of design.

It really really smells like the late days of Pentax.

Don't get me wrong, I have a whole family of Nikon gear.

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

Hmmm your butt.

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VadymA
By VadymA (5 months ago)

This is how ALL DSLRs should have looked like from the get-go IMO.

Hope there were a less expensive DF version from Nikon though. There is already a Sony A7 and I am sure other competitors will follow with something similar and less expensive but I just don't like the hustle of changing brands too much...

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Al Cris
By Al Cris (5 months ago)

I come to this magnificent photography site tonight, because my conscience leaves me no other choice!!!
This way of video tease before the release and settling differences among nikon gear is not just posting, is what nikon wants.
At this time I've lost many chances to take that photo, so I'll leave for now and look forward to get back, but this time with that called hands on.

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roustabout66
By roustabout66 (5 months ago)

Good looking camera but $2750.....GOOD GRIEF!!

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Comparing to $6000 D4? It's a bargain. ;)

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roustabout66
By roustabout66 (5 months ago)

I do not see many cameras selling for $6000 and compared to a D800 it is not a bargain.

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vFunct
By vFunct (5 months ago)

Also, the D4 is a sports camera. No one buys it for art.

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

> compared to a D800 it is not a bargain.

The DF is $250 less than the D800. That's a bargain, especially since I already have a D800 and don't really need another one. But I would like a smaller camera to use with my AIS Nikkors.

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raztec
By raztec (5 months ago)

I think nearly 1500 posts and counting just doesn't quite tell Nikon how we really feel.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

wow... that went quick.
Looks like we'll have a new record in terms of comments. Only this time they're mostly optimistic.

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StevieF
By StevieF (5 months ago)

Assuming all is revealed tomorrow, it will be interesting to see on here how we REALLY feel!
Wonder where DPR will put it in the forum list?

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NWEng
By NWEng (5 months ago)

This camera has struck me as what a professional photographer would give his wife/girlfriend; but, not use himself. I'd almost expect to find it in a Skymall catalog and put it in the same category as a blinged-out iPhone.

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riveredger
By riveredger (5 months ago)

If you take out the hundreds of comments from the bickering among Henry, Marike and Plastek then you will get a more realistic idea of the number of posts. Just sayin' :-)

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Quick question, I didn't save the specs from Amazon, does the Df have live view? This is related to its lack of video option.

Eric

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panos_m
By panos_m (5 months ago)

It has LV. There is a dedicated button in the back.

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Thanks, that would be annoying if they removed it, but that also means its lack of video support is sort of odd. I figured they might have removed video in order to improve still quality (say custom sensor with slower readout to reduce noise) but it appears it is just for marketing reasons they removed video (appease buyers saying they don't think DSLR cameras should do video).

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

I reckon video will be enabled via firmware later..

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125th f11
By 125th f11 (5 months ago)

If this comes to be it will push the nostalgia buttons for sure, just as the marketing men would hope. And what’s not to like if you appreciate the tactile qualities of a classic manual film camera. What it will struggle to match is the rugged no nonsense capability of the originals; precious little to go wrong, tough as a boot, carries on working without batteries etc. If they really wanted to go out on a limb why not ditch the screen and every control it supports, autofocus, program modes, drive options etc. All the ports (USB etc.) could go – better keep an SD card slot though. Maybe even power it with a thumb operated lever! The end result should be inexpensive and solid.
Just my thoughts – but what would the ultimate stripped down DSLR look like?

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StevieF
By StevieF (5 months ago)

If NR have it right, beautiful job.

IMO Nikon have judged the market for this camera spot on ( for a change - V1, hello!). Retro means, by definition, a nod to the past and for that reason it will appeal ( but not entirely of course) to the 'older' consumer who are both an increasing demographic and may have the disposable income to indulge themselves. Nikon could not afford to ignore them. It also means no video, no touchscreen, a bunch of knobs etc etc

The infantile comments by some folk around here (with the brain dead 'LOL') are hilarious- they seem to think that it's their way or no way - they need to get out more with whatever gear blows their frock up rather than try and tell others that they're wrong - I'm no more interested in what they use than their opinions of this camera.

Don't shoot yourself in the foot tomorrow Nikon and I think you have a winner on your hands.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

kid, look at the nikon business... they are in trouble.
stock is down camera profit down.. this camera will help them NADA.

" oh lets make a retro camera, i think people will buy it."

well a few fanboys sure will.. but that´s it.

it´s to expensive.. and 2750 dollar for what?

DOA

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

My thoughts on the V1: brilliant camera! I have one. I disregarded as a backup to my D-SLR initially solely because of the sensor size and lack of hotshoe, but my shoulders are enjoying the lighter weight of my kit. And with my peanut slave and wireless flash trigger setup, I've got a sweet little run and gun setup. It reminds me of when I finally switched from my full size, steel Tiltall tripod to a Gitzo carbon fiber 4-section Traveller tripod... I began to be able to photograph things I didn't before simply because it was much easier to setup. Nikon marketed the V1 for soccer moms when they should have appealed to serious photographers looking for something lighter--similar to how Fuji has marketed their X series cameras.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (5 months ago)

Henry?
Upvoting your posts again?
Sad man, sad

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

You get to make a statement. I can afford a D800...but I'm more refined (smiley face).

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StevieF
By StevieF (5 months ago)

Actually, I agree with you entirely - I also have one (in the fire sale!) and its a great carry around. My comment about the marketing was, as you say, the way it was pitched/priced wrongly initially - something I don't think Nikon have done with this one - hopefully, we'll see!

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

given nikons quality problems in the past (D600, D800, D5200 etc.) i wonder when the first reports about the dials and buttons will come in.

and after 8 month nikon will release a fixed DF v2... this time with VIDEO!!! boah... innovation!!

2750 dollar... lol.... still can´t stop laughing about the guys who thought it will cost under 1500$.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

I never seen anyone predicting price below 1500$. If anything - around 2000$.
Though yea - 2750$ is bit over the top perhaps. But I'm quite sure it will go down as soon as on a Black Friday. :)

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

well read the comments.. many here thought it will cost LESS then the D600.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Seems like people can make up only 2 arguments against this camera:
1. It got too many buttons and switches
2. It's too expensive.

If it's the best they can do than seems like Nikon just got itself a gold medal on dPreview and excellent sales! :)

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

The gold award was never in doubt and your two points are spot-on. But there is one more thing. Will this camera enable me to do something I couldn't do before?

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Change most of the settings manually without hold&switch.
Nothing much beyond that.

But it's not like any camera since D90 allowed you to do anything that you couldn't do before - is it?

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

Sorry if I don't toe the consumer democracy line, but this camera may just be my D700 replacement with the lack of video being the main disappointment. After using my backup V1 for some time, video has really grown on me. Some concern over the build also... my D700 took a beating and died only recently after years of abuse from the elements, including a rogue wave while doing a small boat transfer in the Arabian Gulf and the fine sand from many a shamal. Slightly more expensive but smaller/lighter than the D800, awesome sensor, reasonable FPS... I have some AI lenses that I could revive. But without video (or an outrageously deep buffer to allow for 5 seconds worth of 60 FPS full RAW size photos) it seems to be something slightly less than a D610 in capability. I'm undecided at this point but I know I need something smaller than my D700 but more capable than my V1 and is not DX.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Relax - 2-3 months and you'll be back into photography 100%. I got the same when I bought my first video-capable camera. Video kinda "grew on me". But eventually it wears off when you realize that photography is what you truly love. :)

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

I don't know... the thing that got me hooked is 4K resolution time-lapse video. I see high resolution time-lapse videos as the natural progression from photography. They are just moving landscapes, similar to this LG demo: http://youtu.be/rKrGDVuIzxA

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

TLV is cool, but there's no getting around the fact that it's far more time consuming than browsing photographs.

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Don Karner
By Don Karner (5 months ago)

Are they ever just going to announce the camera and sell it?

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Tomorrow.
Patience my young Padawan. ;)

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y0chang
By y0chang (5 months ago)

I think pentax should sue nikon for copying their design language . Get back into pure photography, guess that makes those who bought D4 and D800s poseurs.

"The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Faulkner

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

And than Nikon should sue Pentax from copying THEIR design language?
FYI: This camera is based on film SLRs design.

And I have no idea why some people got such a high attitude to this whole pure photography promotion. You swallowed a stick, or what?

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

I think many Pentax shooters are jealous that Nikon released the camera they wanted ;)

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Pentax shooter are jealous each time anyone releases Full Frame. :P

(Seriously though - Ricoh should really get over itself - they work with Sony for years now, the largest provider of Full Frame sensors on a market, and we still haven't seen any Pentax FF. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for Pentax guys. To have such an outstanding APS-C bodies, the best on a market, yet no Full Frame to complement them.)

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (5 months ago)

NR: Nikon Df body only price: $2,746.95

Df = Digital flop?

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (5 months ago)

I hope that price isn't for real, but if it is, then it will probably crash and burn just like the $2,800 Sonys. I was really hoping Nikon was smarter than that. Well, we'll see. :)

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samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

$2700 for a D4 sensor in a small retro metal body sounds awesome!
I'm glad they didn't make it some cheap plastic camera to appease budget shooters.
Quality> quanity

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GPW
By GPW (5 months ago)

I think it has the same build as the D600, PLASTIC front panel

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

@ Donnie (and everyone else thinking this should be a mainstream consumer camera):

The sony rx1 did not "flop". It's still in production. The fact that it didn't sell hundreds of thousands in units isn't relevant...it was never expected to. And to this very day no other manufacturer has duplicated what sony did in the rx1.

Nikons DF is just another attempt at keeping up with this perceived market for smaller FF cameras, now that sony has theirs and others are seemingly in development of it.

For all intent and purposes, nikon looks to have temporarily abandoned PRO DX in favor of full frame, but it is TBD whether that is a sustainable strategy. This latest DF body doesn't offer actual professionals anything that cannot already be had in the 600/610/800 series, especially if the price is out of alignment with earlier models.

Regardless, it sure is amusing to see a bunch of non-insiders posting the demise of Nikon for having introduced a new camera.
Just redundant unfounded spew.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Actually - Sony said that RX1 exceeded any expectations they got. That's why RX1r got released and that's why (according to rumors) they started working on RX2.

RX1 was anything but flop. And people also complained that it's horribly overpriced.

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JackM
By JackM (5 months ago)

D610 + a few dials + retro look - video - 8mp = DF. Meh.

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samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

*D4, not D610.
Are you illiterate or just making stuff up to try and make your assesment valid?

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (5 months ago)

If the MSRP was $1500 body only.. We will be waiting a few months or a year before anyone can really get hold of one, it will be flying off the shelves... But $2750 for body only... Ugh, too much... It does not matter if it has the D4's sensor.

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

I've got to be honest with you... I never imagined it would've been only $1500 only. $2000 along the lines of a flagship DX would've been more my guess. $2750 is quite steep, but if it had video or some kind of video hack/trick up it's sleeve like a usable buffer for 60 FPS 4K video for like 10 seconds, I'd pay $2500 in a heartbeat.

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riveredger
By riveredger (5 months ago)

Are those locking dials? That would really slow down user operation.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (5 months ago)

Yes riveredger, those are locking dials. The Nikon Df isn't about speed, It's about deliberate decision making by the photographer. If you have the need for speed, then the D610 or one of Nikon's other DSLRs is a better choice for you. :)

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Somehow I'm not convinced that anyone should pick D610 if he needs speed....

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samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

Locking dials rule!

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riveredger
By riveredger (5 months ago)

@Donnie. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a pretty nice camera overall. But come on - you can't say the objective of external dials is to make camera operation SLOWER. I bet that you will become frustrated with the locking dials after a while. I had the locking mode dial on my K5, which was a little annoying. But if I had to unlock every time I wanted to change exposure or ISO, that would have been a real PITA.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Beautiful little camera :) And unlike Olympus (OM-D) or Sony (A7) mirrorless - it doesn't pretend to be something it's not. Every shape in it is designed around functions. Brilliant.
Love the amount of switches, knobs, tiny details that you can use to directly access all of the functions. Great piece of gear!

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (5 months ago)

Well it is. It is pretending to be a FM2/FE2 but it's not.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Is it? I can't see any similarities.
[edit] oh, a pattern on pentaprism. Yea. That's kinda similar. Well, obviously it pretends to be FM2 than.
lol
Trolls.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (5 months ago)

@ Stu 5
Paying homage to the classics (F3, FM2, FA).
Is not pretending especially if your the brand that made those cameras.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (5 months ago)

Now that I have seen it, I'm happy to be able to say, NICE JOB NIKON! Folks, if you're going to do retro SLR design, then you need to copy Nikon's approach, which simply put, is to pay strict attention to the details. Both Nikon and Fujifilm have shown that they know how to create cameras that are works of art in themselves, as well as being functional tools. And no, I haven't backed off of my prediction that the Nikon Df will be priced above the Sony A7 but below the Nikon D610. I stand by my guess of a body only price of USD $1800. This is a camera created for artists, new, old, amateur, or pro. It is not a niche camera. I'm betting it will have wide appeal even among the mirrorless ILC crowd.

And no, Canon isn't likely to copy this trend. Canon, Nikon, Ricoh Pentax, etc., are all very different companies with very different approaches to their product and business strategies. :)

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JackM
By JackM (5 months ago)

No, you need to copy Fuji's approach. Aperture ring. Shutter Speed Dial. EC dial. ISO dial would be nice.

Back to basics. No clutter.

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Eduardoo
By Eduardoo (5 months ago)

JackM +1

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

but... it does have shutter dial, ISO dial, EC dial, etc.

As you said - back to basics. There are already leaked photographs online showing top plate of the camera.

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JackM
By JackM (5 months ago)

It also has no aperture dial nor aperture ring on the lens, and 6 or 7 mystery buttons/dials on the front of the camera. The back of the camera is a copy of the D610, minus the video button. Too much clutter.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

They tried to make it small. You know - it's suppose to be a travel companion, so it makes sense that they avoided making it as big as D4 - don't you think? ;) That's why it might look cluttered, but it seems to be very functional for what I can tell from pictures. Enough spacing between elements to operate everything. But of course we'll have to try it out before passing final judgment.

As for mystery buttons - just google around. People posted several explanations which button is which. Nikonrumors should have something like that.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (5 months ago)

Donnie G you are slightly out. $950 out. $2750 for a body.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (5 months ago)

Hi Stu 5,

Well, if that's the price, then Nikon has chosen to sell it as a niche camera. I wish them luck, but at that price, I think it will just crash and burn. Still, it's a beautiful camera, just not $2,800 beautiful.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (5 months ago)

Sony's full-frame camera is (yawn) just *so* Last Month. :-)

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

No kidding, huh.

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NCB
By NCB (5 months ago)

.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

Two things. (1) A program option that overrides everything so you can take a photo without memorizing the ridiculous number of buttons and dials. You're friends will think you've memorized what all that stuff is for! (2) A reset, so that when you've accidentally set something incorrectly you can erase everything and start over. Handgrip looks great.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

a program option that renders all the dials to dummys....
so you can use just the touchscreen in the dark.

oh wait no touchscreen.
another invention nikons does not like.

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NCB
By NCB (5 months ago)

What all that stuff is for? Speed, ISO, exposure compensation, shooting mode, program selection.... They're for taking pictures.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

Why would you have touch screen on a rugged DSLR again? It's not something you use to make photos of your cat in the garden.

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NCB
By NCB (5 months ago)

If you stick a lens with an aoerture ring on the camera, I wonder if it will let you use that aperture ring. One thing I hate is being forced to set the aperture through the camera when there's a perfectly good aperture ring there available to use.

I like the look of this beast. Direct controls for more or less anything you need for shooting, and as regards the other buttons I don't think they could get away with much less on a digital camera. And, as per my post of yesterday, I still reckon this is a "small" camera, for a full-frame one.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (5 months ago)

Perhaps Nikon tried to satisfy every photographer's preference: be that pushing the buttons or cranking the dials. I just wonder if this is not going to end up in harsh critique of unnecessary clatter from either camp.
Canon 1DX does well with no dials at all, how this was possible? Execution of user interface should be simplest and most effective that technology supports.
New Nikon is rather confusing in this respect. At least at the first look.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

Meaby you haven't noticed, but this is a 'retro' look camera.

If you don't like those dials and buttons of the Df, you can always opt for the D800 / D4 with no dials just like your 1Dx.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

it´s not about how good to handle this camera is .
the noobs here who like it.... like it for the LOOK.

looks like noobs and knobs... attract eachother. :-)

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

I am not a noob, and I like it. :-)

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

I own A D4 and a D800 henry. And yes I like this camera too.
Your opinion doesn't change mine.

Canon doesn't dare to make something different.
They have always been very conservative.
Sony wants to innovate, but they don't even support their own system as they have never done.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (5 months ago)

Birds of feathers...

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

@Richard Franiec
A DSLR like the 1DX or D4 will normally require a button press while rotating the command dial to change ISO, for example. With the Nikon DF just turn the ISO dial to your desired setting and shoot. It's an extremely fast way to work. Pure joy.

But there can be no good design without the functionality needed to do whatever you want photographically. And the knurled dials for EV comp, ISO, and shutter speed are a proven way of implementing camera controls and they mean users NEVER have to go into the menu for anything.

They are going to sell a lot of these DF cameras.

@Henry M. Hertz
Noobs, Schmoobs. At least Richard and the others have actual photographs in their galleries. All you do is make angry trolling posts.
Why not just worry about Canon and go take some pictures?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

I guess you can't have it both ways. The traditionalist who wants a small camera is the same person who wants dedicated buttons so they don't have to assign functions, make multiple button presses, memorize, etc. But if you provide a separate button for each function the camera will be covered with them.

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Eduardoo
By Eduardoo (5 months ago)

I am afraid this camera is not simple enough for my taste. Why a PSAM dial? And so many buttons...

If you select the S mode with the dial, what happens with the speed dial? Does it stop working?

I hope the functionality logic is not a mess.

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NCB
By NCB (5 months ago)

If you mean what I think you mean, if you select S mode then you have to set the shutter speed with something. That's what the shutter speed dial is for.

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

On Fuj XP1 the Shutter Speed dial and aperture ring have an A setting on them. If you set the shutter speed dial to A you are not controlling shutter speed and if you set the aperture dial to A you are not controlling shutter speed.

The Fuji camera has no concept of PASM mode as it is redundant with the other dials. If you want shutter speed priority you leave the aperture ring on A and turn the shutter speed dial. If you want aperture priority you turn the aperture ring and leave the shutter speed dial on A. If you want manual you turn both from A. I like Fuji's method.

I imagine Nikon requires PASM dial since their lenses don't have aperture rings.

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Eduardoo
By Eduardoo (5 months ago)

@NCB: If you select the S mode you are telling the camera that you are going to chose the aperture.

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Den Sh
By Den Sh (5 months ago)

> The Fuji camera has no concept of PASM mode as it is redundant with the other dials...

The only problem is that they do have modes. And that drove me nuts when I owned X-E1:

1. Let's say you set Shutter to A, Aperture to f/5.6, ISO to Auto, Exposure compensation to -1. (It would say something like A in the bottom left corner.) And lets say the camera has picked 1/125 for you.

2. Than you decide to fix this particular shutter speed, and you move the dial to 1/125 and you suddenly get a brighter exposure! Why? Because bottom left corner has changed to M and in that mode Exposure Compensation doesn't work any more. What the f*cking hell?! Was is that hard to make it work as TAv on pentax/ricoh cameras?

Fuji has made a lot of good decisions in their cameras but usability is lacking... X-E1 drove me nuts due to lots of small problems like that, lets see how X-Pro2 will turn out next year.

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (5 months ago)

Don't get me wrong i like the retro look of this cam.. If my D800 has this retro look, i will be in camera heaven! But... The only selling point of this camera is the nice retro look.. If it had video and built in flash with CLS capability.. I would want it, this camera as much i really like how it looks.. This can't do anything my D800 can't do...if and when the Df2.. In the future will have video and built in flash and preserving the retro look.. I will be first in line ... Although maybe if this cam's MSRP is $1500 i will be the first in line to buy just because.. :-) (my credit card will be crying but... ). :-)

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

the look is not nice... it´s ugly.

it looks like a camera will smith would have uses in the movie wild wild west. some frankenstein abomination with 15 knobs....

urgs....

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

all retro cameras look ugly as photographic tool, that's why we have modern camera designs like D800 down to E-M1.

retro may look beautiful as fashion collections, like pre-war Leica in the hand of a model for shooting with a D800 or 5D3.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

All those 'modern' designs will be out of date in 5 years time again....

So who cares about the design. Its what you can do with it that counts.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

like not shooting video? lol.....

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

Photographers take photo's Henry, otherwise they were called videographers ;)

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

you may live in the 70s.... i prefer to stay in the new millenium.

i like to have video on my cameras... like many others too.

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sandy b
By sandy b (5 months ago)

No Henry, you prefer to stay hidden in the comment section of DPR. Kinda like a ghost ship lost forever, sniping Nikon.

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roxics
By roxics (5 months ago)

Agreed. This is such a beautiful camera, but without video I will never buy it.

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

Whose to say adding video is more than a firmware update away? It has Liveview and hdmi out, its hardly miles away..

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

so you think they water down the "pure photograhy" crap?

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

yabokkie - EM1 was propably the worst example you could give. A modern mirrorless that pretends to be classic DSLR in it's shape. What a joke.
At least this camera IS a DSLR.

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technotic
By technotic (5 months ago)

Old camera designs look handsome as photographic tool.

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JackM
By JackM (5 months ago)

I'm afraid they've blown it. Too many buttons.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

im glad im not the only one who noticed that.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

Not everybody does 'spray and pray' photography.
Some take time to make photos....

I kind of like the way the Df looks, with all its buttons.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

yeah well and most are intelligent enough to do that with non-retro digital cameras.... but when you need some help, all the dials and buttons may help you slow down. :)

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

20 seconds for a sony to start up and start shooting, wasn't it Henry with your A900, and then we didn't even count the slooooow focussing of that camera and where's the video in there.?

Real photographers can 'read' the light without having to press any buttons. They just know what to dial in a camera. No real disadvantage in having those buttons at the top.

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

Agreed, I'd rather have functions in menus so I have a reason to not keep my eye glued to the viewfinder. Viewfinder rings around the eyes are very unsightly. In this day and age, why do photographers still need to look at their subjects anyways? That is why we have face priority and auto everything. If we must have buttons, I'd rather have just four buttons configured like a joypad with an A and B button. That is all you need--the possible button combinations to function mapping are endless. And, as a bonus, Nikon could implement a retro cheat mode using the classic "up down up down left right left right B A B A" to activate a special auto everything mode. I'm afraid Nikon has just blown it!

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sandy b
By sandy b (5 months ago)

You can use the command wheels to control this, like any Nikon DSLR, you dont have to use the sepaerate control dials.

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piratejabez
By piratejabez (5 months ago)

Why so much hating on physical buttons? They usually speed up operation, not slow down, because you don't have to dig inside menu systems on the LCD to search for and change a setting. This is why I can't stand my D5200, a model I would recommend to anyone taken aback by the controls on the DF.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

I have no idea.
Just can't wait for people complaining that photographs got too much detail at ISO125k. Cause that's pretty much the same category of whining.

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

If no one caught it, I was being sarcastic.

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technotic
By technotic (5 months ago)

I'd get the DF and strap 2 1DXs to it just so I could say "kiddo".

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3dreal
By 3dreal (5 months ago)

If its HAS AF and price is affordable then it will sell well. If no AF and price high then will be a non-seller.
The silvery look of the body is not of highest quality or i dont like. Hope something special is inside.

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

Of course it has AF. The AF-S 50 f/1.8G is the kit lens.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

If it didn't have AF there was no use for the AF-On button either ;)

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samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

Just saw the official photos- what a beautiful camera!

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

Frankenstein was a great hit in the days back then ;)

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

If anything is frankenstein abomination - it's Sony A7.

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technotic
By technotic (5 months ago)

I was hoping for 16 buttons. Next time Naikon, next time.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

20 buttons, for those with 20 fingers to push simultaneously

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samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

Making fun of a camera for having too many buttons & controls- that has to be a first.

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3dreal
By 3dreal (5 months ago)

It will have a fixed prism and no AF, maybe removable screens. Dont dream too much. we dont need AF but the best focussing-system on all DSLRs.

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

So it has no AF? I suppose the "AF-ON" button must mean something else then.

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BJL
By BJL (5 months ago)

It has both ann AF-on button and an AF kit lens.

What is entertaining about the Df teaser campaign is how it has lured some people to reveal their wishes and fantasies while ignoring any facts that contradict them. The Df is functionally a modern highly automated digital SLR, with the addition of half a dozen added dials and the pointless removal of video functionality.

Or is someone going to argue that adding one more video button along with the roughly 20 buttons it already has, or adding a fifth position on the MASP dial, would "ruin its photographic simplicity and purity"?

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (5 months ago)

It's a shame. Nikon almost nailed it.
Nikon was very close to everyone's dreamed the perfect camera...

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

After your detailed review, where was it lacking for you personally?

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R. Scott Sherman
By R. Scott Sherman (5 months ago)

Where did you have the chance to actually see and test the camera?

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (5 months ago)

It looks great to me. Size is ok. But, man, no video is too bad... I really do now enjoy doing some videos as much as taking pictures.
I could live at least with 720p...
Well, the price will be decision point to many of us, I guess.

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

There is beauty in utility. Don't get me wrong, I see some lines in this camera where the bottom half marries with the upper half that appear to be unecessary bulk. I would have preferred something more pure in design like a Nikon F3, which I believe was designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro. Personally, the half inspired lumps of coal that both Nikon and Canon have been putting out in their consumer lines are the Frankencameras. And the pro-level DSLRs are all starting to look the same, with companies using decorative lines or contour angles as the distinguishing characteristics. Everything is "drooping" now. Where are the horizontal edges? The best looking cameras, personally, are from Olympus... they have that perfect harmony between edge and contour. Like everything, this phase will pass eventually, but I find it refreshing for now.

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (5 months ago)

looks to me like they put a lot of effort into trying to make the pentaprism and the top case ..sorta/kinda resemble..."something"....symbolism over substance....almost as bad as what "The Company Formerly known as HAsselblad" does with Sony cameras.

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

Quite like it myself. FA didnt look just like FM, why should this look like anything else?

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

"Symbolism over substance"? Lol. Maybe you missed the knurled shutter speed, EV comp, ISO dials, two command dials and the low-power mechanical shutter that operates on almost no battery power.

The comparison with the Hasselblad Luna shows you are just trolling.

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Fotogeneticist
By Fotogeneticist (5 months ago)

Good point--perhaps the prism shape of the pentaprism is cliche. Definitely more symbolism than substance to have the pentaprism match what it houses.

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

It is intended to look like a Hawaiian volcano.

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raztec
By raztec (5 months ago)

Nikon just doesn't do innovation well. Look at the 1 series cameras. They do things like the D300 well. Excellent specs at a fair price.

My prediction is that this is gonna flop big time, just like the V1 did. Wait 1 year the price will drop by 50%.

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

nonsense. you're not getting a full-frame camera for $800 a year from now. keep dreaming.

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

Yes, let's look at the Nikon 1 series, the first mirrorless camera to ever offer PDAF on sensor and super fast 60 fps, things that other mirrorless vendors like Olympus are now just scrambling to implement.

This new Nikon is going to be a huge seller for Nikon, not that anyone cares about my predications or yours.

Honestly, these comments have turned into something analogous to "garbage time" at a 125-75 NBA basketball blow out. Clear the bench and put the scrubs in. :-)

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raztec
By raztec (5 months ago)

Price is rumoured to be in the 3k range, but it's worth more like 1500 at most.

If Nikon had designed V1 and J1 in retro style with a bigger sensor, it might have worked. But they've flopped big time and for good reason. They are toys, not tools.

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marike6
By marike6 (5 months ago)

@raztec

Who cares what you think about the 1 series? The fact is it's the first and ONLY mirrorless camera that can AF track moving subjects. Olympus, Sony, Panasonic, Fujifilm, none of them implemented PDAF before the Nikon 1 series, which incidentally, moved Nikon into 4th place overall the worldwide MILC market. FOURTH place on their very first MILC is far from a flop.

Nikon and Canon sell more cameras than any other vendor and they have the two most complete SLR systems ever created. If you don't understand the purpose of this new DF camera or if you simply hate it, again, nobody cares.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Henry M. H:

Yet again, Sony does not supply the sensor for the Nikon D4 or the 1 series.

I challenge you to find a sensor that can shoot raw as quickly as the Aptina sensors in the Nikon 1 series.

The D3s didn't use a Sony sensor either.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (5 months ago)

what has nikon innvented lately? that´s the question!
something unique that makes DSLR cameras better.

this is not about sony sensors. i just mentioned sony because some sure would say "look at the 36MP D800".

w

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (5 months ago)

and...why.....would i want/need this thing?

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (5 months ago)

Why... would.... we....give....a.....f......?

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AshMills
By AshMills (5 months ago)

Why....are...you..still...reading...this then?

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samhain
By samhain (5 months ago)

You've been posting in this thread for 3 days- it's pretty obvious you don't want/need this camera. Why do you keep going on about it?

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (5 months ago)

I think its just a jealous kid with no brains.
He's just one of those mentally ill people that likes trolling.

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wherearemyshorts
By wherearemyshorts (5 months ago)

hopefully Nikon will not use the Ashton(?) guy for promoting this

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

If they do, he's certain to ask for a raise.

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Digitall
By Digitall (5 months ago)

Almost the same specs as D610, but almost twice the price, ok. The retro style is expensive.
But it's a good marketing move from Nikon. "The gods must be crazy" Part II.

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (5 months ago)

The sensor is supposedly the same as the D4. For half the price.

And almost twice the (intro) price of the D610?

Wish the Gods could teach you math.

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CFynn
By CFynn (5 months ago)

Price is still unknown

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Digitall
By Digitall (5 months ago)

I said almost, and not the same in specifications and price.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

If I was the product manager, I'd be watching the comments from fans and thinking "If they're so eager to buy something they haven't seen...maybe we can bump it up another $150."

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Digitall
By Digitall (5 months ago)

@CFynn: Yes, but taking the price rumor circulating out there.

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Digitall
By Digitall (5 months ago)

@AbrasiveReducer: true!

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SnapHappy32
By SnapHappy32 (5 months ago)

Almost? Ah then all is well

Dear Buffallo Bills. All is well. You almost won the Superbowl five times.

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Digitall
By Digitall (5 months ago)

Ok I redo my sentence: "almost the same specifications as D600 and double the price. Because I can buy a D600 for less than half the price that the DF is announced :-)

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calking
By calking (5 months ago)

whatever the price comes out to be, it's 100% guaranteed to have the forum whiners in a tizzyfit.

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