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Canon offers Dual Pixel AF upgrade for Cinema EOS C100 camera

By dpreview staff on Nov 6, 2013 at 11:31 GMT

Canon is offering owners of its Cinema EOS C100 the chance to add Dual Pixel AF to this video-centric camera. This will enable continuous autofocus during recording with all Canon EF lenses, and double one-shot AF speed with 104 fully-supported lenses. Interestingly the upgrade doesn't involve a change of sensor, but instead enables a hitherto-unused hardware capability. However it will require the camera to be sent to a Canon service centre, and isn't free (in the US it will cost $500).

Canon USA's press release about this update is decidedly opaque, leading to some reports suggesting that the process involves a sensor swap. However Canon Europe is much more explicit about what's going on, so we've reproduced its press release below.


Press Release:

Staying sharp: EOS C100 becomes the first camcorder to feature Dual Pixel CMOS Autofocus technology

London, UK, 6 November 2013 – Canon today announces an upgrade that brings Dual Pixel CMOS AF functionality (DAF) to its professional EOS C100 camcorder. First launched with the EOS 70D DSLR, Dual Pixel CMOS AF is a ground-breaking, Canon-developed technology that expands shooting possibilities by providing smooth, fast, high-performance continuous autofocus in large sensor video cameras. The EOS C100 is the first-ever camcorder to feature this technology, and its addition provides even greater creative flexibility in everyday use.

Making it easier for single shooters to capture outstanding moving images was part of the core design philosophy for the EOS C100. DAF further enhances creative freedom by providing greater accuracy and control of focus when shooting – a crucial factor given the shallow depth of field made possible by the combination of fast glass and a large image sensor. Continuous autofocus is supported by all Canon EF lenses¹, whilst the existing One-shot AF function becomes approximately twice as fast with any of the 104 supported lenses.

Upgraded performance

Dual Pixel CMOS AF is a sensor-based, phase detection Auto Focus (AF) technology designed to support video shooting, and a compatible CMOS sensor was included in the original design of the EOS C100. Following further technical development since launch, the camera can now be upgraded to offer users enhanced functionality and added value.

While the underlying Dual Pixel CMOS AF sensor technology in the EOS C100 is similar to that found in the Canon EOS 70D digital SLR, it has been adapted to fit the capabilities of the EOS C100. It has been optimised specifically for video shooting, and provides fast, natural focussing in a familiar visual style. As such, capturing a subject and retaining sharp focus, even when moving, has never been easier.

Kieran Magee, Director of Professional Marketing, Canon Europe, comments: “We’re dedicated to developing innovative imaging products that also deliver great value to our customers. We’re very proud of our existing Cinema EOS system range, and we’re continuously listening to our customers to identify ways that we can enhance our products to allow them to push their own creative boundaries. This upgrade, which brings Dual Pixel CMOS AF sensor technology to the EOS C100, is further evidence of this commitment.”

Availability

The upgrade is a paid-for option, and utilises the existing Super35mm sensor in the EOS C100. It will be performed at Canon’s network of Regional Competence Centres (RCC) and is expected to be available in Q1 2014.

¹Excluding manual lenses, including the EF Cinema lens range

Comments

Total comments: 107
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

Canon said the upgrade doesn't change the sensor.
so they have been making & shipping dual-pixel AF sensors since last year.

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Aroart
By Aroart (5 months ago)

I was a bit of a canon hater mainly because of no 60p, sensor stabilator, auto focus, and focus peaking. At least the auto focus is checked off the list...i actually bought the 70d and I think it's the best all round camera for the money. Maybe the 7d mark 2 will at least get 60p..

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (5 months ago)

Since this particular camera does not even take still pictures, shouldn't a "press release" of this type be more appropriately posted on Digital Cinematography Review or Digital Videography Review?

Also, this is a pretty old spec camcorder that does 1080p at a maximum frame rate of only 30 frames per second. Maybe Canon should finally be doing something about THAT.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

still developed from motion and is part of motion.
the roll films we used were designed for motions.
120, 135, ...

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riknash
By riknash (5 months ago)

Updates like this are what sets Canon ahead of the other guy. This announcement helps support those who suggest that Canon is moving ahead with an emphasis on video. They must have been listening to those who understand that conventional manual focus methods are great but limiting for solo videographers who need automation to assist with performing AF tasks.
Kudos to Canon!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

Canon improves dual-pixel AF for enhanced dynamic range,
similar idea as Fujifilm SR pixels 10 years ago:
http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2013-11-11

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (5 months ago)

happy to see Canon rolling out dual-pixel AF more widely

especially on lower end models

maybe more prosumer Powershot G/S/SX series will be getting it too

as well as lower end EOS M/dSLRs (Rebels, etc)
not just higher end EOS dSLRs

here:
mini-dSLR shaped EOS M ... will it have dual pixel AF ?
to surpass the more basic brick shaped EOS M?!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52489376

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peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

It is probably not EOS M but another Rebel painted white.

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claudio leone
By claudio leone (5 months ago)

The 2014 EOS C100, will come with that ?

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Most likely.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

I think this is a great update especially for the run and gun type of shooter like myself. I do a lot of documentaries alone. I know manual focus is probably the best way to do it for many pros but I do a ton of interviews with multiple C100s so things like autofocus tracking will probably not only make my job a bit easer but open up a couple of new creative possibilities in my shots. Not a bad thing at all, besides its really nice to have the choice.

If you are a hobbyist, 500 bucks might not be justifiable but this is simply a business expense if you make your bread and butter with these cameras.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

it benefits only a small number of C100 users but is a very positive signal that Canon is throwing its weight behind dual-pixel AF to bring all users to a new world.

less labor/training cost for C500 users, too.

and I think video taken with 70D beats experienced operators. the issues may be we need a larger panel to touch accurately and a method to tell the camera how fast the AF should move.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (5 months ago)

As Canon makes this technology more widely available throughout its product portfolio, people will become much more aware of just how useful and how easy to use the tech is. Canon's Dual Pixel AF will become the must have feature for every kind of imaging device imaginable, and that includes smartphones too.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

don't know if possible but will love a new series of joint Canon-Sony sensors available to all makers from Phase One to Apple.

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ApertureAcolyte
By ApertureAcolyte (5 months ago)

$500 firmware update...

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AlanG
By AlanG (5 months ago)

Would anyone be complaining if this PDAF feature was functional on the camera from day one but the camera cost $500 more? Consider that some owners only shoot with manual focus and will save money by not paying for this upgrade.

Are any of you complainers owners of this camera?

BTW I have had a number of cameras and lenses repaired by Canon and the price has always been very reasonable. A couple of lenses were recently damaged in falls, had dented parts and would not focus. I was very surprised how inexpensive those repairs were considering the damage.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (5 months ago)

yes I agree
Canon After sales is tops.
NOTHING comes close both in terms of fees and turnaround time

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Archiver
By Archiver (5 months ago)

Interesting how this is available only for the C100 at this time. If this can be implemented with the C300, it will show that dual pixel AF is a function of the CMOS sensor shared by the C100, C300 and C500, rather than the C100's hardware.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (5 months ago)

Yes. Quote: "utilises the existing Super35mm sensor in the EOS C100." Really? Do they swap the microlenses? This is very strange to say the least....

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BJL
By BJL (5 months ago)

The C100 has four photodiodes for each output pixel: a 3840x2160 photosite array but maximum output resolution of 1920x1080 pixels, so it could easily have a single microlens over each 2x2 cluster of photodiodes, allowing it to use a pair of them for AF. Maybe
GG
RB
under each lens and feeding wach output pixel,
and using the GG pair for AF.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (5 months ago)

Really? That would give terrible artifacting of out-of-focus regions in normal use. Also, the usual pattern is RG/GB. I know they have an unusual readout structure in the C100 sensor so they could reuse chips from earlier camcorders, so maybe...? I guess they could approximate things having the RG/GB pattern and still using the two G (the vertical offset shouldn't be too significant for PDAF). I really look forward to either Canon telling us what's up or the Magic Lantern people figuring-out the details....

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GordonAtWork
By GordonAtWork (5 months ago)

I thought all pro shooters ( the ones who buy specialist video equipment) use manual focus. It's only us lowly amateurs who use the AF on their camcorders.
I was slated when I said about the EOS adapter for my XL1s wouldn't AF whereas the one for my EX1-Hi would. Ooooh, you use AF on video, they said, how awful.

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abolit66
By abolit66 (5 months ago)

the "update" was there in the first place. Canon enable it for $500.
I agree, it's a cheap move.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

cheap

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

for a service with a new sensor unit at less than 1/10 price of the camera.

would really appreciate if the same applies to 7D.

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scrup
By scrup (5 months ago)

Too many people getting use to free windows updates.

2 upvotes
zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

There is a difference between fixing your product and upgrade.

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

Except now that Apple has decided to make OS updates for computers just as free as iOS updates for their phones. Since that is subsidized by hardware sales I doubt Microsoft can follow. In the case of cameras, the reason firmware typically only fixes bugs is because a model is still being sold and needs fixing, extensive changes require updated instruction manuals, and improvements cost money that is typically made by selling new hardware. With the 7D I think Canon realized that they needed a new reason to buy the aging body and they wanted people to know the line was going to continue at some point.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

good if users can upgrade 30-years old FM2 to Df for free.

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Eleson
By Eleson (5 months ago)

Many here scream about the cost. but no one have to buy, do they?
It'll be interesting however, to see if bug fix firmwares will be made available to both the original and the upgraded C100's.

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Ale1210
By Ale1210 (5 months ago)

Good point.
My opinion is that they should make available both the bugfix softwares, as the upgrade appears not to create an EOL (End Of Life) for the original firmware, being not mandatory.

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jkokich
By jkokich (5 months ago)

That sounds fantastic!

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

For anyone making money on video, this sum is chump change. For all the others, you probably didn't fork out 5500$ for the body alone. So you should complain about Nikon Df, that lacks any video for a cool 3000$.

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deepone
By deepone (5 months ago)

Df is a stills camera designed for traditional approach to photography.

Anyone who needs pretty DoF poor sensor readout jello aliasing mush crammed into a camera body not designed for practical motion imaging has a lot of other options on the market.

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

And this camera is more than you bought.

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deepone
By deepone (5 months ago)

This camera (as Df) is a great solution for those with realistic expectations and those who perceive things in their context, without extreme self-entitlement to immaturely bitch everytime their expectations are not met, like the world owes them a special treatment.
Shooting 4K RAW motion imagery since 2008. Very entertaining assumption, though.

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (5 months ago)

And how many of these complainers even own or let alone handled a C100?? If you have one, most likely your business involving such gear would cover the cost, and maybe if you've been using it to great success then this "upgrade" may not be necessary anyways.

So, why complain about something that's totally unrelated with your camera?

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DotCom Editor
By DotCom Editor (5 months ago)

"...will require the EOS C100 camera body to be shipped to a Canon service center."

What? This isn't a do-it-yourself project?

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (5 months ago)

What is it that causes people to assume that software = free, but hardware costs money. Duplication and mass production of software has relatively insignificant costs in terms of energy and waste (fueled by junk food and soda cans perhaps), but the development and R&D costs are still there. Your photos can be duplicated for little to no cost as well, does that mean your photos should be free? The C100 is not even a mainstream consumer device where most of you should even gripe about, let the very few professional C100 owners complain. Our society places no value about the worth of firmware updates and the development that goes into it...but I bet you value techies the moment your OS F's up and you need to hire a techie to recover your photos. A camera with great hardware and absolute crap firmware still can make for a crap camera. So why the double-standard...one where you greatly value competent robust and innovative software, and one where you completely disregard its worth?

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JoEick
By JoEick (5 months ago)

It makes me sad to see people complain about this too. :(

I used to do video game development, and it takes an incredible amount of time and money to write even some of the most basic of features, along with testing and bug fixing.

People think a single guy at Canon just commented out a line of code and shipped the firmware out the door. Highly unlikely.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (5 months ago)

"Your photos can be duplicated for little to no cost as well, does that mean your photos should be free? "

It is pretty amazing how many photographers miss this point about the software business.

Kinda like how you hear a photographer whine and complain about people stealing his photos off the Internet, then he turns around and fills up his smartphone with copyrighted songs downloaded from a torrent site.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Exactly. I'm not even sure if those who are complaining about this upgrade are C100 owners themselves.

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oselimg
By oselimg (5 months ago)

Greedy but not retro at least.

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

Greedy? The people who bought this video camera paid the price for the features advertised. Canon continued to develop software to enable the technology and now that they've got it working they don't intend to give away a huge functional leap for free. Yep, super greedy to ask to be compensated for work.

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oselimg
By oselimg (5 months ago)

Greedy means consumption more than necessary/needed. Dual pixel focusing is a great function especially in live view mode coupled with touch screen focusing, granted. But charging 500$ for just a software update is greedy in anyone's dictionary. If dual pixel function costs 500 how do you explain the price of 70D? I'm not advocating free update for a new functionality. Your justification/attitude is the reason why some companies can afford to charge over the odds.

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schaki
By schaki (5 months ago)

Great greeeedy gutz!

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Archiver
By Archiver (5 months ago)

Blistering barnacles!!!

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (5 months ago)

$500 is for the support of the new feature and for calibration/cleaning of the sensor and not just for the 30 seconds that it takes to update the new firmware.

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dual12
By dual12 (5 months ago)

LOL! They probably pocket the $500 and do nothing to the camera.

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Juck
By Juck (5 months ago)

Don't you have a MENSA meeting to go to?

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

LOL Yeah, I bet they kick around the office, take a leak on it, wipe their butts with it, and then throw darts at pictures of the owner! Canon, you're so stupd and incompetent! The nerve to ask for a professional tool be updated by professionals that, should anything go wrong, would then replace or repair the camera rather than getting emails from people saying "my battery died mid-update and now my camera is bricked....give me my money back."

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MediaDigitalVideo
By MediaDigitalVideo (5 months ago)

It should be done FREE, this is No Service Canon.

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

If your advice is free then something useful from Canon shouldn't be held to the same standards of cost-benefit ratio.

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Peter Gregg
By Peter Gregg (5 months ago)

According to the Canon web site, the C100 uses its single sensor as if it were 3 sensors. "The EOS C100 captures Red, Green, and Blue channels independently for Full HD 1920x1080 video. The resulting picture features the color and image quality of a three-chip camera with a single sensor. The optimized pixel count allows the camera to avoid additive processing as a result of skipping lines during capture; sensor sensitivity is maintained and aliasing or other degradation of the image is prevented."

At 2MP per color this uses 6MP leaving 2MP free for other duties on its 8.3 MP sensor. With 2 million pixels available, they may have remapped the pixels so the unused pixels can be the other half of the "Dual Pixel Technology".

They never said how many pixels would participate in the DPT focusing abilities upgrade. The interesting question is what other camera sensors can address individual pixel points in a way to reassign what they do? Not only for Canon, but other companies too.

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The Photo Ninja
By The Photo Ninja (5 months ago)

I'd pay $500 if they could add that to my 5d mark iii

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FlyfishNerd
By FlyfishNerd (5 months ago)

So would I!

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

If this was only standard practice in the DSLR world. Man I would kill to them upgrade my 1DX too. Haha At least you 5DM3 owners have Magic Lantern.

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BJL
By BJL (5 months ago)

The C100 uses four photo-sites to produce each output pixel (3840x2160 active pixels, but maximum output resolution of 1920x1080 HD). That is probably critical to its ability to do dual pixel AF, which uses multiple photo-diodes per output pixel. The other dual pixel PDAF seniors also have those pairs of photo-sites behind a single micro lens, so it is also likely that each four photo-site cluster feeding a single output pixel in the C100 is behind a single micro lens.

So do not expect any such upgrades to other cameras whose sensors do not have these special hardware features.

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l_d_allan
By l_d_allan (5 months ago)

1. If you purchase a new C100, would it come with DPAF enabled?

2. What about the 1D-C?

2. Really makes you wonder if the 5d3 might have this as a latent capability that Magic Lantern gurus could enable? They are wizards, imo.

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Peter KT Lim
By Peter KT Lim (5 months ago)

Good question.

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Pritzl
By Pritzl (5 months ago)

Love it or hate it, it's better than charging full price + premium for a totally new camera that has only minor differences to the old model (*cough* 700D/D610 *cough*). If Canon really pre-built DPAF hardware into the C100 and are simply enabling it now then it's brilliant future-planning by their engineers. Not sure why they had to test-run it on the 70D first though.

Also keep in mind, that for the target audience $500 is not a lot of money considering the base cost of the camera.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Yeah excellent point. If you make money with this camera $500 is actually not a lot of cash.

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Jogger
By Jogger (5 months ago)

Most likely what happened is that the hardware for dual pixel PDAF was available at the time of the C100 release; but, the firmware ware not yet ready (i.e. the sensor is fully capable of the PDAF).

So, they released the C100 while perfecting the PDAF in other cameras.

They are also keeping the firmware close because they dont want other companies dissecting it and figuring out how it can be implemented in their cameras (they dont really care about magic lantern) at this point. The camera will likely need some sort of calibration afterwards as well.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (5 months ago)

calibration it is

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Ale1210
By Ale1210 (5 months ago)

Unlock a function already existing is not, in my opinion, the right way to read the Canon market approach in this specific case.

It's a matter of key functionality upgrade, not minor upgrades.

You can do something new, really valuable, otherwise not available. And this, for me, it's something to be paid for.

Products evolution is strictly depending on software development, on which companies like Canon invest not marginally. And for major roadmap steps, like this, we ought to be ready to pay.

Option B, a new camcorder for "just" $ 5.500 ..

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AcerAntec
By AcerAntec (5 months ago)

Grmf... 'Hope the Wizards at Magic Lantern's will increment this in their next release, to make Dual pixel, continuous focusing available for my 5D MkII. Et voilà.

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

right, sensor replacement with firmware. Sure they will do that. Wizards.

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Ken Johnes
By Ken Johnes (5 months ago)

what sensor replacement?,
companies like ML must be the reason why canon dosent want the silly firmware to get out of their service centers. and they can charge 500$ too ;-))

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sakjdakjas
By sakjdakjas (5 months ago)

ML is not a company but rather an Open Source / community effort

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (5 months ago)

Bravo for the upgrade. But WTF $500??? I bet the tech will just plug the thing onto the USB, upload, grab a coffee, then write the invoice... Pretty complex stuff.

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meland
By meland (5 months ago)

Here's a suggestion for you then. You invite owners to send their cameras to you then you plug them into a convenient USB and go and have a coffee and write the invoice. You're right in that that part isn't very complex. But where's the software update that you are going to upload through the USB? Can you write that? No, even if you had half a brain you couldn't.

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

And should a bad firmware update brick the camera then I think you should have to pay for the repair or replacement, too. Life is so simple when you get to vomit the first thought that crosses your mind onto the internet.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

If you are making money with this camera $500 is chump change.

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Ken Johnes
By Ken Johnes (5 months ago)

500 $ for a silly firmware upgrade? and the target audiance for this camera have been waiting eagerly for this AF upgrade .
wow, greed and trying to milk it´s customers with incremental upgrade are gonna hurt the big dogs here, both of em, look at what nikon is trying to do.

i think nikon and canon are competing with each other on how to sell less for more, while other companies are making innovative products at a fair price , no wonder these greedy top dogs have to make up for their loss with such silly act..

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

The upgrade is much cheaper than getting a new camera. Canon has to be congratulated on this one. Not criticized.

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Ken Johnes
By Ken Johnes (5 months ago)

if it was a hardware upgrade, then by all means any company can charge for it, but as far as the info here, it´s just a firmware upgrade.
it´s a firmware upgrade to UNLOCK a function which the product already is capable of and being crippled by the company so it can charge it´s customers later.

look at what all functions you can unlock on a canon cam using the magic lantern hacks.
stop drinking that canon coolaid mate...

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ET2
By ET2 (5 months ago)

It's not a simple firmware upgrade. The camera needs to be sent back to a shop. Maybe some kind of complicated software upgrade to FPGA card that only technician can perform.

That should cost money.

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57even
By 57even (5 months ago)

A firmware upgrade that quite possibly resets the entire AF system and requires complete recalibration.

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Ken Johnes
By Ken Johnes (5 months ago)

Does anyone know how much canon charges in US per hour for service? in EU it´s about 120 Eur for pro gear and just below 100 for non pro stuff.
it cant posibly take 4 hours of work to hook up the cam and load the firmware and then recal the AF .
i bet it´s just a firmware upgrade and canon dosent want that firmware in the hands of someone who can do wonders with it on other cams as well ;-)))
either way, 500$ is a rip off , specially considering how overpriced the C100 is, maybe they charged people for the TIME it took them to cripple it in the first place too ;-))

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Ken Johnes
By Ken Johnes (5 months ago)

ET2 , sure it costs money ,,,,,,but why cripple it in the first place?
got my point?

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joejack951
By joejack951 (5 months ago)

Ken, have you considered that the firmware/hardware for the dual-pixel AF system wasn't ready but the rest of the camera was, so the decision was made to release it without that feature? I'm sure users of the C100 prefer to have had use of their camera for the past year or more without dual-pixel AF rather than wait until now to get it both it and the camera.

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AlanG
By AlanG (5 months ago)

How is this any different than when a software company charges users for an upgrade with new features added?

There probably are not that many owners of this camera so the $500 fee spreads the cost among them of developing this feature... that they did not pay for or expected when they bought the camera. If they don't need it, they don't have to upgrade.

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zonoskar
By zonoskar (5 months ago)

They said the sensor is not replaced, but they didn't mention any other hardware being replaced. So maybe they need to swap some FGA's or something?

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Eleson
By Eleson (5 months ago)

I think you all can thank Magic Lantern for having to send pro stuff in for firmware upgrades....

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

Ken, that's quite an assumption that it came crippled out of the gate. Getting a product onto the market is important, and if people see the features and think the price is right then they get to buy it. Many people have obviously gotten value for their money. The additional feature, what you call "just a firmware upgrade", took actual human beings real time in order to write the code. That isn't free and releasing a product that isn't perfect yet is common...buy a video game that has been in development for years and notice that just about every time you play it you have to download a patch to fix glitches, not to mention camera companies constantly coming out with firmware upgrades to fix glitches and offer some minor new feature. Paying for a major new capablity is what we in the capitalist system call monetary compensation for value-added features. And if you'll recall, Canon gave the 7D and 5D (II?) major new firmware upgrades for free, but those didn't require AF recal.

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rrccad
By rrccad (5 months ago)

lol ken .. have you never paid for a software upgrade in your entire life?

not to mention what we don't know if the main board needs to be replaced with this upgrade. or how much calibration. from the read ups on how the DPAF was set up with the 70D there was a significant amount of calibration work.

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Ken Johnes
By Ken Johnes (5 months ago)

Howard, it´s not just an assumption when it comes to Canon, (i have been dual system user for few years before i moved to nikon, i still keep my workhorse canon lenses though.)
no one would have noticed canon crippling ( with software i mean and not hardware crippling like all of them do ) their cams if Magic lantern guys were not smart enough to find the workaround .
i bet , if there was enough market for this upgrade then ML would do it too, but we may be talking about only a few people who might actually find that kind of AF on this cam for their need anyway.

RR . no, i have never paid for a software upgrade.
i still use my CS3 , i still use my Win XP on office comp and win 7 on my photo editing comp, all my filters and plugins are old too, they work fine and will do till the hardware wont support it.
somethings works fine till you `want´ the latest and newest.;-))

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rrccad
By rrccad (5 months ago)

well guess what ken, the C100 without the upgrade works just fine.
but if you want to upgrade - canon's expecting you to purchase it.

the difference is............... what exactly?

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Still much better then bringing out a new model with the exact specs but with a Dual Pixel AF. *Cough*D610*Cough*

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

Some just like to be "scre*ed" the nikon way. Cough D610.

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Eleson
By Eleson (5 months ago)

"and utilises the existing Super35mm sensor in the EOS C100."
Tell us more! Did the sensor always have this capability or does it mean they it can be done on every sensor?
I think that last sentence was the coolest part of this press release.

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (5 months ago)

Read also: "phase detection Auto Focus (AF) technology designed to support video shooting, and a compatible CMOS sensor was included in the original design of the EOS C100"

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Freddog
By Freddog (5 months ago)

Sadly no one here sees the point , great free upgrade for run and gun DOP's . Vacuum .....? It really sucks that you cannot see how useful this is . Pun intended ....

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (5 months ago)

It's not a free update (I've changed our news story to make this clearer).

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

How about an upgrade for 1Dx?

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Freddog
By Freddog (5 months ago)

I think it is there next jan 2014 , not for this tho MF for you!

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Plastek
By Plastek (5 months ago)

You mean the announcement or camera itself? Cause if it's just an announcement - the camera will be out in 2015.
#
just to clarify - by upgrade I mean sensor upgrade, not a whole camera.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Maaan I wish! But is there any DSLR brand out there that offers a hardware upgrade path? Firmware probably but not hardware.

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Yxa
By Yxa (5 months ago)

I thought it was a leaf blower

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

LOL You made me laugh! Yeah it is unusual shape of video camera actually yes!

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (5 months ago)

close, it is a vacuum cleaner. Love shooting with it though.

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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (5 months ago)

Leaf blower... haha good one.
But wait for next firmware update

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stevens37y
By stevens37y (5 months ago)

It's like a magic latern.

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

We need more post like yours. People are taking this camera business way to seriously.

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HetFotoAtelier
By HetFotoAtelier (5 months ago)

What an ugly Canon Retro Camera ;-)

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (5 months ago)

purposefully designed to broaden the target audience, specifically to appeal to the aesthetically challenged ;)

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Under The Sun
By Under The Sun (5 months ago)

Hey! We Canon users love our ugly cameras! Shove off! :D

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