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Nikon video hints at long-desired 'digital FM'

By dpreview staff on Oct 25, 2013 at 19:20 GMT

The rumors of Nikon creating a stripped-down, film-era-style camera are exciting - not least because it's something people have been calling for, for years. Until recently, the very idea of one of the big camera makers going down that route would have seemed unlikely - after all, you don't get to push technology forward by looking back.

Nikon Rumors has been reporting possible specifications all week. Some interesting bits of information that were first reported include:

- The name will be: "Nikon DF"
- No video 
- Announcement in early November 
- Expected price tag: $3,000 for body only, $3,300 with 50mm lens 

A couple of factors now make it seem real. Firstly, the rapid collapse of the compact camera market has left camera manufacturers looking for new niches to exploit. Secondly, Fujifilm has shown (with its hugely successful X100) that there's a market for a camera with pre-digital-era controls and looks.

Looking at Nikon specifically, the Coolpix A shows the company is now paying attention to photo-enthusiast niches that it has ignored for a long time. Whether it thinks there are significant profits to be made in these niches or because it would help burnish the company's credentials as a maker of products for photographers, it would make sense for Nikon to produce a product that plays on its heritage (especially since it's Sony's RX1 and Fujifilm's X100 that are tugging at the purse strings of photographers).

If the rumors do prove to be true, we can only hope Nikon will balance the desire to look back while including some updated camera ergonomics, which have come a long way since the Nikon F3 and FM. We hope such a camera ends up classically-inspired, rather than a slavish throw-back.

This week Nikon released a short teaser video and ad campaign for a "pure photography" camera adding fuel to the flame. 

'It's in my hands again' - Nikon teaser video

Is this the camera you've been waiting for? Or are there cheaper, better options already on market? 

Update: Nikon Rumors now believes some of its previously-reported specifications to be 'fake'.

Source: Nikon Rumors

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (6 months ago)

Both video no. 1 and no. 2 have been fully zapruder'ed over on Nikonrumors.

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arhmatic
By arhmatic (6 months ago)

If this happens to be true, one thing - what took you so long, Nikon?

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

Nikon waited for someone else (in this case - Fuji) to discover new trends for them :)

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zevobh
By zevobh (6 months ago)

and sony. they have been leading in the huge sensor compact range for a while.

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (6 months ago)

DPR has to have it in the office. They publish "hands on" of every camera along with announcement.

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mark25
By mark25 (6 months ago)

exactly. this news piece is as if they themselves are following the rumors... the actual rumored may well be in their hands, waiting for the announcement and, as you said, hands-on...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

hands on screen maybe, touch screen.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (6 months ago)

"no one involved with writing this story has been briefed" is the same as saying we have it here at DPR, but I've not personally been briefed on the camera.

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acidic
By acidic (6 months ago)

"It's in my hands again" is what I say to myself during every visit to the urinal.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

then you get pure p--?

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yudhir
By yudhir (6 months ago)

You have to be very careful with the one line tags these days
and the video doesn't help either .
Looks like he left his car on the road and went little out to take a p--

But since this is dpreview this cant be happening ..its camera related. Trust me! :)

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (6 months ago)

Nikon Rumors has rescinded all reported specifications, including pricing. The video above is in truth a new set of Nikon binoculars, great for the Scottish landscape. The images are so clear that it leaves a perfect picture in your mind...

"Pure Photography"

=)

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peterwr
By peterwr (6 months ago)

No, it's a camera - there's a brief glimpse of it (or a substitute) in Episode 2.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (6 months ago)

You took the post literally.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (6 months ago)

No, NR has NOT rescinded ALL reported specifications. Just the one that called it the D4H and listed it for $3K. The initial reported specifications he still stands by.

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tissunique
By tissunique (6 months ago)

I Am...Underwhelmed

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (6 months ago)

What a nonsensical, affected teaser.

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Tap0
By Tap0 (6 months ago)

video #2 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc1GYoLhT5o

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samhain
By samhain (6 months ago)

@dpr did you not ask Nikon about this camera at PPE?

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Thoughts R Us
By Thoughts R Us (6 months ago)

The rumored price of 3000USD has been rescinded...please read above.

However, the camera is real and looks to be great.

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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (6 months ago)

OK.
Now could also be more than 3000?
Maby 6000 and a free wooden grip.

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Thoughts R Us
By Thoughts R Us (6 months ago)

At this point we don't know the price, but much of the discussion on NR from the more credible voices seems to revolve around the idea that the DF will be priced much lower than $3000...maybe even less than the D610 if it lacks video, if it has the 16 MP sensor vs 24, etc.

Judging from the buzz, Nikon has a winner on its hands.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

maybe a new Nikon 1 model "AA1" or anti-air.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

If it is built like an FM3a or an F3, this camera will cost considerably more than a D610.

In other words much closer to $3,000 than $1,500.

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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (6 months ago)

3000 USD !?
Rather buy a second D800 and then have it in both hands!

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

The line "it's in my hands again" seems to imply that today's digital cameras have taken photography *out* of the hands of photographers. But, of course, that's absurd. Today's digital photography gives photographers more control over their images than ever. And I don't see how stripping out features puts photography back *in* your hands again. That just seems like you're putting *less* into the hands of the user.

Maybe it's an all manual SLR, with no auto focus, match needle metering, and a one-frame image buffer that forces you to wait a second between each shot.

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Thoughts R Us
By Thoughts R Us (6 months ago)

Today's digital cameras are wonderful, but they have gotten overly complicated in their menu system, control layout, etc. In short, they are not designed in the most user friendly way.

There are many who hunger for a camera with simplified controls, one for the purist. That doesn't mean no AF, no VF, no rear LCD, etc...it would just mean a menu without every option under the sun, no gimmicky special effect modes, and easy access to the most important settings through manual controls, just like cameras of the past.

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acidic
By acidic (6 months ago)

I have several FF Canon bodies, as well as several Oly and Panasonic M4/3 bodies. Some of these are bloated with an insane amount of options and menu items. But you know what? I set the camera on 'M' or 'Av' and 90% of the time, the dual dials (and/or wheels) and shutter button are all that's required for a pure, it's-in-my-hands-again experience.

And if I should decide that a higher ISO is needed, it's very simple to change, much more so than swapping out my film to a faster one.

The menus are only a problem for those who cannot resist playing with all of the bloated options.

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Nishi Drew
By Nishi Drew (6 months ago)

So will it not have a rear screen or AF either?
In that case it might as well become the cheapest FF camera yet (aside from say, a used 5D classic)

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

Of course it won't have a rear screen. Don't you realize that rear LCD's that allow any-time image review have ruined photography? Now that guy in the video is going to have to wait until he gets back from his trip to the highlands before he can see how his images turned out...just like the good ol' days.

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (6 months ago)

Actually the rear screen will serve one function only - it will display a skeuomorphic of a torn off film carton end slotted into a plastic windowed holder, showing the ASA/ISO value

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (6 months ago)

I like ewtsleet's comment: that the rear screen can be used to display the "Film Carton box end view" ASA/ISO.

But I think it will be used to play back Highland dancing and Caber Tossing contests complete to the sounds of the Scottish top 10 BagPipe tunes. Aye it'll be grand!

I canny wait fur the new Scottish Tartan (Not black/silver) Nikon hammered out of a solid steel block in a Scottish forge. Aye it may not be pretty, but you can use it as a weapon.
Hairy MacBaz

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Paul Farace
By Paul Farace (6 months ago)

Camera tech aside... this is a great piece of advertising art! Set up a buzz before you even see the camera! Nice work Nikon. Now DELIVER a camera worthy of the ADVERT! A digital FM? Where were you in 2006? Oh well, in the words of the old negro spiritual, "you didn't come when I called, but you were right on time!"

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

Nikon is learning from Fuji - remember the teasers before the X100.

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ethanolson
By ethanolson (6 months ago)

I want something that I can use to teach my daughter photography the only way I know how to teach it... how I was taught. That would require a fully manual camera.

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

Yeah, $2K-$3K sounds like a great starter camera for the beginning photographer!

Seriously though, all of today's DSLRs have manual mode. And as for manual focusing, I don't think that'll make anyone a better photographer simply because they manually focused the camera. Instead, I think it's better to teach young photographers how to harness the tools available in today's modern cameras so they know exactly how to use these tools to get the images they want.

I have young nephews who have gotten into photography, and they know their modern DSLRs inside and out, and the rate at which they have come to excel at photography is amazing.

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pfzt
By pfzt (6 months ago)

@T3: well, manual focusing is a very enjoyable thing and if you practice you're going to be pretty fast someday, but without a focusing screen (and proper lenses with a thick focusing ring) it's impossible to do.

With your typical DSLR you see nothing through the viewfinder, at least with your eye on the vf to chose and maintain the frame. Looking at the back-screen and focus with 10x magnifying doesn't count as true manual focus! that kind of experience is only possible with a leica m and i know for a fact that a lot of people want that what leica offers but they are not willing to pay the price. if someone is able to make that kind of a camera happen for 800$, he is going to be rich and i'm not talking about the quality, i'm talking about the general manual focus experience. but strangely enough, nobody cares about that, instead we are getting the 1000th useless evf pocket camera with slow contrast af. lol!

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (6 months ago)

@T3
Can manual focusing make you a better photographer? When I used an FE2 I got rid of the split image finder and replaced it with a grid on a plain ground glass. I found my composition was much better since I just focused wherever I needed to on the screen, instead of being distracted by the centre split-image. Focus and composition were simultaneous.
When I moved to an F100 with autofocus that all went to pot, since I relied on the AF and found my photos were less well composed, or just plain missed since I was faffing about selecting another focus point.
Then with the D70, I couldn't see anything in the tunnel like VF anyway, and things got worse still.
Even with a D800, the VF is smaller than the FE2, and manual focusing is not so easy, and there is always the temptation to rely on AF, and my eyes are older...
I think I took my best pics on the FE2, and a large part of the reason was the huge viewfinder, limited UI distractions, and manual focusiing.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

You could buy your daughter a real FM and some film

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

pfzt - what you said is so true, that it makes me sad :(

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (6 months ago)

I agree. I taught my 4 year old daughter to understand imaging by firstly looking at the subject and asking her what she wanted to capture?
Nikon ftn Photomic (No Film) and D3 mounted next to each other.
She then had to set A & S, release the shutter. (She instinctively looked at the back of the camera! LOL No image. I took the same shot with the D3. (For post analysis with her)
The difference between her results and her friends is chalk and cheese.
Her friends just point and click away, then look to see what they got?
Where my daughter looks at the subject, thinks about it and knows what she is going to get well before she captures that image.
Ansel Adams would wait for months to get the right shot.
There are very few amongst us that know what they are capturing, ..... Hence the importance of the screen.

Don't get me wrong, I would not do without a screen, I need it for comfirmation, ....... but not discovery.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (6 months ago)

Welcome news.....moving in the right direction.....

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howardroark
By howardroark (6 months ago)

Is this pure photography just because there isn't any video on it? That's fine and all, I have no problem with the lack of video, but is that enough of a feature to sell a $3,000 camera? I bet as long is it looks like a film SLR from the 70's it will sell like hotcakes....or does the 80+ crowd call them flapjacks?

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ethanolson
By ethanolson (6 months ago)

If it's too retro then I'll be bugged and will get a Fuji. If it looks more like a mix between a modern ergonomic SLR and a medium format box then I will know that Nikon is on the function over form bandwagon and will likely be getting my money.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

maybe "well-down raw cooking"

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raztec
By raztec (6 months ago)

Finally!! And hopefully they got it right this time, not like the J1 or V1 system geared toward airheads.

Why, I wonder do these companies not understand that a simple, efficient, light FX camera is all most people who are serious about photography want. The success of the Olympus OMD should have taught them a lesson.

Give us, an OMD or FM2 size camera with full manual controls, an excellent, bright view finder that will allow us to use our old manual focus lenses, take AA batteries like the F100 or Pentax K30, and video is unnecessary.

We want the joy of composing a shot while looking through a big, bright viewfinder like we did in the days of the FM2.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

I agree with you - except for the AA batteries part.

No AA batteries please!!!

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ethanolson
By ethanolson (6 months ago)

Hmmm... I recently became a fan of rechargeable AA's (Duracell StayCharged in particular) so if the camera got really far on only two AA's I'm totally game. Nothing beats a 15-minute charge for four AA's and then making it two weeks before having to charge again. That's how I'm rolling and I'd like to stay that way. AA's are the easiest batteries to get anywhere in the world.

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white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

Totally agree with ethanolson.

Today's Rechargeable AA batteries are very different from the old Ni-Cad rechargeable batteries of yesteryears. Its so much cheaper than the Lithium-Ion battery pack of the camera maker. One do not have to worry that spare batteries won't be available after the camera has been discontinued. If one is desperate for spares, ordinary AA would still be possible and are available in any part of the world.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

Yes you can get AA batteries in any part of the world - but in some parts of the world they are not very good.
A bought a Canon P&S once with the idea I could get batteries anywhere - with some of those batteries I got literally only a couple of shots - though they still worked fine in a radio or flashlight for long afterwards. Even good eneloop rechargeables exhausted pretty quick in the cold.

It would be good if all camera makers standardized on a couple of sizes though.

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

CFynn - no batteries, or crappy batteries? ;)
Besides - don't look through the perspective of batteries. Think about chargers. Finding dedicated charger to a DSLR might be a nightmare in some remote corners of the world. Finding charger for AA batteries is usually easy :)

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (6 months ago)

Well said raztec. I have been using Nikon for over 30 years in the Pro field. Recently I bought an Oly EM-5 a not so conspicuous camera when I'm in sensitive/dangerous environments.

Your comment: "Give us, an OMD or FM2 size camera with full manual controls, an excellent, bright view finder that will allow us to use our old manual focus lenses, take AA batteries like the F100 or Pentax K30, and video is unnecessary."

I couldn't word it any better my friend.

A FF version of the EM-1 with a beautiful OVF built by Nikon; I'm hoping that's what on offer

PS I use my fast Nikkor Primes on the EM-5 via a Novex adapter. So I just treat it as a back-up body, not a parallel system with the usual associated costs and bulk.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (6 months ago)

If I want video I pull out my GH-2 - waaay better than my D800.

I want a simple design digital FX camera that works really well with my MF glass (some of which have absolutely no peers in today's AFS Nikkors and do excellent on FX sensors) that is more compact than today's DSLRs.

I don't want a direct copy of an FM2 or FE2, or F3/HP, etc. because this is the digital age. I want the in-use and ergonomic spirit of those cameras with inclusion of modern digital technology - best of both worlds per se.

We'll see in a couple weeks if Nikon has done the above. Will it replace a D800, D610 or D3s/X, or a D4? No way, but it likely was not intended for such a use anyways.

Oh, and don't tell me that inclusion of video costs nothing - because that's totally not true.

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macky patalinghug
By macky patalinghug (6 months ago)

I have Canon bodies (30D, 5D mk2, 6D) which I pair w/ AIS lenses (24mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8, 35mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.2, 105mm f/2.5 and 200mm f/4).

Aside from acquiring good images the other pleasure I get from these combos is from the challenge of manual focusing.

I hope this Nikon "pure photography" move will be geared towards manual focusing.

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gerard boulanger
By gerard boulanger (6 months ago)

Well, I hope future users of the Nikon DF will be happier than the guy on the video. At first when I heard the click sound, I thought he was loading a bullet in a pistol to end his life right there

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calking
By calking (6 months ago)

oh my god that's hysterical~~!!! :+
LOLOLOL!!!!!

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (6 months ago)

Those two clicks immediately reminded me of an aperture ring click (first one) and the click of an on-body dial (second).
The shutter sound also was reminiscent of a FX shutter actuating in a small FX metal body.

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ethanolson
By ethanolson (6 months ago)

The clicks sounded a bit exaggerated or distorted to me (listening on a laptop) so I couldn't tell if he was turning a ring or a dial or both.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (6 months ago)

I have spent a lot of time in the Highlands of Scotland, I'm from there. It is very seldom that the weather God gives us silence, it's mostly blowing a gale, .... You wouldn't hear a gun shot and certainly not a camera shutter release.

Weather sealing, .... it needs to be bloody waterproof and have an anti freeze function!

I Have seen OS Visitors stagger into the hotel after venturing out to take some morning shots only to be caught out by the weather. They are shaking, soaked to the skin, often in shock.
: .."So how did the pictures go?" They had forgotten all about the camera, they were just trying to survive!

A few each year don't survive. The heaviest price to pay for photography.

Please don't get caught by the lure of Scotland. Yes I's very beautiful, but do your homework and be prepared.

I'd like to see your pics, not a news flash

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Nikon and Canon are annoying. They remind me of Disney Studios and DVD. Disney was the last major studio to enter that market, because they wanted the other companies to "prove it's value." About time Nikon and now Canon, where's yours?

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howardroark
By howardroark (6 months ago)

Canon still sells the 1V. Go buy your "pure photography" camera today.

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Bjorn_L
By Bjorn_L (6 months ago)

I am a Nikon shooter. I currently shoot mostly FX. I would not buy this camera for half the rumored price. What does this camera solve that that d610 and d800 do not solve better for less?

The point of a stripped down FX body would seem to be to give a low cost entry for photographers not wanting or needing to pay extra for features they don't care about. Leaving out features and charging a premium for that just makes no sense.

On the other hand leaving Nikon pro DX shooters to choose between the ancient d300s and the consumer d7100 also makes no sense. The d400 is long over due and should be their next body not some niche thing like this.

That and of course they should make a camera capable of fast video focus so Nikon video buffs aren't torn between manual AF in video or buying a GH3.

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shigzeo ?
By shigzeo ? (6 months ago)

I think this camera is aimed at people who either owned an FE/M series or smaller OM series back in the day, who enjoy a good viewfinder (I hope this one is as large as the FE/M series) and ergonomic manual controls. The current designs are meant to be gripped and work well for that, but have few immediately obvious cues.

You press a button and it clicks, but there is little to no connection with the mechanics underneath. I have no idea if the DF will solve this issue. I really doubt it. I'm one of those people who gets sick when I am passenger in a luxury car, or a bullet train. When I use the D800, I enjoy the results, but really find nothing in the experience worth the effort.

When my FE was working, I loved every minute of it. The big OVF was the best part, plus small body. Current digital bodies are simply monsters. The FE was a D800 level camera back in the Day. The D800 is much larger than the F3 or F2, cameras that were the D3 of their day.

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aarif
By aarif (6 months ago)

I guess nothing makes sense :) , you know for me this would have been the perfect body if they just had used the D800 AF&battery with 8 fps for 2500$ I would have bought 2

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LamarLamb
By LamarLamb (6 months ago)

The D800 and D610 are already there for you. This camera, hopefully, is going to be for those of us who enjoy shooting a manual camera. A more deliberate style of shooting. It hopefully won't be compromised for the masses. For me this is the difference in driving manual shift car vs an automatic. Most folks buy an automatic. I like a manual without all the automatic driver assist functions. A pure driving experience. I have a D300 for when I get paid for shooting. But for my own pleasure I still shoot my manual film cameras. It would be nice to have a digital counterpart with the same look and feel.

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camerosity
By camerosity (6 months ago)

My ultimate dream digital camera is a digital Nikon F3HP. The viewfinder on that camera is the most beautiful wonderful viewfinder on any SLR I've ever used in my life. The handling and quality of the F3 body is above anything else too, as good as any other camera ever made. If they marketed a digital F3HP I would buy it in a heartbeat, even if it was $5000.00. It would be well worth it. I'd want a manual focus body with a manual shutter cocking mechanism, just like the F3 has. This would be my dream Nikon camera.

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HappyVan
By HappyVan (6 months ago)

Sounds like they (Sonikon) has solved the heat issues. Would be great if the FN was priced at $2k??

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (6 months ago)

I think 2k makes perfect sense for what we know so far.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

FN Minimi for 400 US

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

brilliant rumor makers, no video? no future.

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (6 months ago)

na, don't agree. I hate 1/2 baked video integration, rather no video than terrible video like many makers offer. Of course, I will always look for the camera that offers both, photo AND video capture at the highest standard. They will get my hard earned $$$

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

we are acturally going pure video.
why should anyone care still when our God doesn't?

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calking
By calking (6 months ago)

what the HELL yabo ... there you go again. put the crack pipe down and back away from the computer....

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

I don't know what's "1/2 baked video" but I know that still is 1/24 of one second of movie.

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aarif
By aarif (6 months ago)

NR already said that the info about the price was fake but that not my issue here, my main issue is please Nikon don't cripple the AF I don't care about the price

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jonmcphoto
By jonmcphoto (6 months ago)

that video brought tears to my eyes....3000.00 huh? if it is full frame sensor and lenses can be changed, maybe so.

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Spectro
By Spectro (6 months ago)

Probably the perfect camera for me except I can't afford $3g.

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3dreal
By 3dreal (6 months ago)

Image 464 of the video shows: cam has a hotshoe....Thats all one can see. no need to extract frames. How can i upload here? in nikon-forum?
I need a filespace where date/time are not changed.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

good at least it won't as bad as Pana GM1.

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falconeyes
By falconeyes (6 months ago)

@anybody commenting on price:

The 3000$ claim was fake, there is nothing known about the price. DPR article has been updated too.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

The $3000 rumour was a rumour - as is everything else we've reported here.

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noirdesir
By noirdesir (6 months ago)

Yeah, but there are rumours that come from trusted sources (ie, those that have in past provided correct information about not-yet-released products and have done this multiple times) and those that come from a new unknown person.

The difficulty when publishing rumours is figuring out which are made up and which are real. And if you are not ready to put a reasonable effort behind separating the wheat from the chaff, you'd better don't publish any.

And if you see this not as publishing rumours but merely as reporting what important public figures (ie, the Nikonrumors editor) have published, it is not good journalism when a person you are referring to has put out a correction and not amend your article.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

we heard from so-called trust sources that new Sony sensors would beat Canon dual-pixel AF single-handed.

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Dennis
By Dennis (6 months ago)

DPRumour.com ;-)

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Cailean Gallimore
By Cailean Gallimore (6 months ago)

Nikon make good DSLRs, and the lenses and flashes to go with them, but everything else they make is...

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victorian squid
By victorian squid (6 months ago)

They really should have virtual film. Instead of the useless creative effects they've got now for direct to JPG, why not virtual film? Kodachrome, Ektachrome, Velvia, Optima, Pan, and associated ASA/ISO. That would be a direct to JPG effect I might actually use.

It'd be even funnier if you had to "wind" the sucker for each shot. And, you'd have to spend extra for a battery grip that would allow you to shoot multiple shots in succession! Nikon could bleed folks an extra $400 for that goody alone!

Oh - didn't see Frank's comments below - I guess I wasn't as facetious as I thought!

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Cirrus70
By Cirrus70 (6 months ago)

Adding a crank to wind a mechanical shutter make complete sense to me. I used to shoot winter expeditions with my FM2 and never have to worry about batteries. For landscape and macro I can spare autofocus. For casual social shots smartphones or compact cameras are more convenient. If done well, this thing will work for me, and I can use my 105 Macro, 50mm and 28mm lenses again.

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Dennis
By Dennis (6 months ago)

...as for physically "winding the film", this was done in R-D1 - you had to do it!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2006/3/15/epsonrd1s

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photogeek
By photogeek (6 months ago)

Frankly, I don't think it will succeed at that price. Sony has set the price ceiling now. It needs to be less than A7R, since A7R looks retro enough, while being barely larger than NEX-7 (which is small).

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

A7 does not have an F-mount - nor a Nikon label

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (6 months ago)

I couldn't care less what sony dose!

The only thing that sony sets is the poor specification on it's own lenses, .... As it well documented, ... they are rubbish!

Sony owners buy adapters to take Nikon lenses.
Nikon owners do not buy adapters to use sony lenses!
Dose that tell you anything!

No run on back to your sony club, put a Lomo lens on your NEX and see if there is an improvement.

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photogeek
By photogeek (5 months ago)

I use Zeiss lenses on my NEX. Wake me up when you can do AF with Zeiss lenses on your Nikon, OK?

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mike kobal
By mike kobal (6 months ago)

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly
I have so many great Nikkor lenses - this news is just - wwwaaaahhoooooooo
I am about to looooooooooooooose it.
Hang on a second
I also have a N-Nex adapter and the A7r on order.....
Please price it right, Nikon.

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Robert Garcia NYC
By Robert Garcia NYC (6 months ago)

loud shutter sound... it out of my hands again. : )

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Michel F
By Michel F (6 months ago)

Meanwhile, where's the D400 ?

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (6 months ago)

A digital camera with no battery? Apparently, yes. Did you hear the guy pushing twice the wind lever in the video?

"Nikon had a prototype FM body for the digital age. It was actually quite unusual in that it didn't have an LCD or battery: you powered the digital sensor using the wind lever. "

http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-return-of-the-fm.html

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (6 months ago)

Please tell me you're joking. Who would buy that?

You're not joking.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

The FM3a had a mechanical shutter which didn't need batteries - but in A mode also used electronic timing.

It seems very unlikely but perhaps they could have a mode that uses the batteries and a mode that was powered by a wind lever. Hard to see how that would provide sufficient power though - and the mechanism would take up quite a lot of room.

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EcoPix
By EcoPix (6 months ago)

Is that why they set the vid in the Scottish Highlands? To prove it isn't solar-powered.

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (6 months ago)

"It seems very unlikely but perhaps they could have a mode that uses the batteries and a mode that was powered by a wind lever. Hard to see how that would provide sufficient power though - and the mechanism would take up quite a lot of room."

Search for "crank radio". If a radio can be powered by dynamo hand crank, a camera can be, too.

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GPW
By GPW (6 months ago)

What the HELL is going on at Nikon? Do anyone think that this camera will have a better profit margin than a D400. NIKON seems to have their head up their A#$ when it comes to what their customers really want.

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moizes 2
By moizes 2 (6 months ago)

So far it looks "Me too, me too!"

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Michel F
By Michel F (6 months ago)

I agree. They seem to be going for the shock factor. In this case it's negative shock. I'm not saying this camera isn't interesting, I'm saying it's not what most Nikon users are expecting.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (6 months ago)

moizes 2:

Do a Wikipedia search for the Nikon SP rangefinder (film), so: "them already", not "me too".

Why this clamoring for the still only hypothetical D400, will it have the sensor from the D4? The D7100 is a very good camera and I assume the D610 solved the oil spots problem of the D600.

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moizes 2
By moizes 2 (6 months ago)

We do not know anything so far, but, if rumors are true, what auditorium will be for that toy, and for D400? And, for the same or close price, what choice people will make - D610, which is really good, or that still unknown toy for snobs? Nikon is not that financially good to make mistakes, you know...

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Poss
By Poss (6 months ago)

I would not mind a digital FF FM2/FE2 type camera… My FE2 had ALL the controls I ever needed...

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (6 months ago)

In keeping with hipsterism, the prices of retro-look cameras are ironically high. :-)

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Digitall
By Digitall (6 months ago)

Predictions only at the end of the game.

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gustabod
By gustabod (6 months ago)

for that price they should throw in a roll of digital film

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bossa
By bossa (6 months ago)

Would that be magnetic tape or just a punch card? ;)

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Karl Summers
By Karl Summers (6 months ago)

For $3,000 and no video it better have a damn good sensor.

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Eddaweaver
By Eddaweaver (6 months ago)

The only good excuse for dropping video would be to put a superior CCD sensor inside.

But at $3,000 they could probably afford to do HD video on a CCD.

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ulfie
By ulfie (6 months ago)

Duh ... $3,000 for a body only doesn't sound like the FM or FM-2n I used to have. Unless the price would be lower, MUCH lower, I'll stick with my pseudo-Leitz Minolta CL Olympus E-PL1 w/ pseudo-but-better-than Nikon 45/2.8 Panasonic 20/1.7.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

An FM3a was around $1K - add the cost of inflation over the past 12 years, and the cost of the FX sensor and other digital parts.

You would save quite a bit over the current cost of film and developing though.

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groucher
By groucher (6 months ago)

"If the rumors do prove to be true, we can only hope Nikon will balance the desire to look back while including some updated camera ergonomics, which have come a long way since the Nikon F3 and FM".

Really? The D800 is a fine camera but ergonomically it is simply not in the same league as the pure perfection that is the FM.

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moizes 2
By moizes 2 (6 months ago)

Do not know worse camera ergonomically than FM-FM2-FM3. D800 is definitely isn't from the same league - it is much, much better, especially vertically. It will be big mistake of Nikon - to reanimate that wrong design.

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (6 months ago)

Nikon designers have finally come out of their smelly lab, opened the door to a new bright World out there, and quipped: " Oh my, there is such a thing as a whole new World out here..."

.

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samfan
By samfan (6 months ago)

I don't really care for retro styling or manual aperture rings, but I wish that manufacturers realize that not everyone needs video, GPS, huge displays and other crap which really adds complexity and price to the camera and makes it more prone to software bugs and whatnot. Especially in a DSLR.

At this time, it seems Sigma is the only one who gets it.

If Nikon gets it too, well that's great, though recently they have a habit of having great ideas, but botching them and either not delivering, or raising the price to the clouds. This seems like another one of those after N1 and Coolpix A.

Though I like it that they'll return to the F designation. I expected them to do it ages ago.

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (6 months ago)

Knobs, direct manual control...
Minolta 7d several years ago.

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ottonis
By ottonis (6 months ago)

It seems that Sony's announcement of the FF A7/r has got Nikon very nervous, as they suddenly feel the need to come out of the woodwork and make this announcement.
Anyways, once more, this shows how important real and tough competition is. Without Sony's bold move with the A7, Nikon probably would have made this announcement in 10 years, if at all.

That being said, these are good times for photographers, as there is plenty of dynamics and innovation in the digital camera market.

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King Penguin
By King Penguin (6 months ago)

I don't think designing and getting to market a new camera is as quick as that....probably several years in the development.

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ottonis
By ottonis (6 months ago)

@King Penguin: i fully agree with that. I think that every big camera company has prepared concepts and designs and prototypes sitting in their closets, ready to get announced whenever they feel the need for it, i.e. when they feel the market is "ready" for such a product.

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sandy b
By sandy b (6 months ago)

This has certainly planned since long before Sony's announcement. Paranoid much?

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (6 months ago)

This is clearly something that had to have been in the works for years. Just getting the ad done in the period since the Sony announcement would be a feat.

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howardroark
By howardroark (6 months ago)

Ready to get announced whenever? Do you have the first clue about how much time, effort, and money go in to set up even a low volume production run? Holy hell. People really do ascribe magical qualities to this day and age simply because the news isn't full of stories years before a product is released saying "xyz is just now starting to build their new production facility for a camera that won't be released for at least two more years."

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

A digital FM/FA/FE is something many people have been asking for for several years - at least since they discontinued the FM3a in 2006.

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wherearemyshorts
By wherearemyshorts (6 months ago)

when i first saw the ad i thought it was going to be for a shaver

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