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Panasonic adds Leica 15mm F1.7 lens to Micro Four Thirds stable

By dpreview staff on Oct 17, 2013 at 19:44 GMT

Panasonic quietly announced the development of a Leica DG SUMMILUX 15mm (30mm equiv.) F1.7 lens, which the company says will be an ideal companion to the DMC-GM1 also released today. Details are scarce at this point, but the lens will have a manual aperture ring and will ship sometime next year. Also coming in 2014 are a Leica DG NOCTICRON 42.5mm F1.2 lens, as well as a budget-friendly Lumix G 35-100mm.


Press Release:

Commercialization of LEICA DG SUMMILUX 15mm / F1.7 ASPH.

Digital Interchangeable Lens for Micro Four Thirds System

Panasonic is announcing a commercialization of new digital interchangeable lens LEICA DG SUMMILUX 15mm / F1.7 ASPH. complying Micro Four Thirds System standard*.

The LEICA DG SUMMILUX 15mm / F1.7 ASPH. is an excellent 15mm single focal length lens of F1.7 clearing LEICA’s stringent standard. It also features sophisticated exterior that matches the stylish design of the world’s smallest** LUMIX GM*** digital single lens mirrorless (DSLM) camera.

In addition to “LEICA DG SUMMILUX 25mm / F1.4 ASPH.” and “LEICA DG MACRO-ELMARIT 45mm / F2.8 ASPH. / MEGA O.I.S.” which are already released to the market, Panasonic has also announced product commercialization of LEICA DG NOCTICRON 42.5mm / F1.2 to enhance the lineup of LEICA digital interchangeable lens, attracting professional photographers worldwide.

In the meanwhile, Panasonic is further expanding the range of LUMIX G digital interchangeable lens with the development of new LUMIX G VARIO telephoto zoom lens of 35-100mm in stylish, compact design that also matches the LUMIX GM camera.

* Details of the product specifications, the date of release and the price are under study.
** For a body of digital interchangeable lens camera, as of October 17, 2013, according to research by Panasonic.
*** Released on October 17, 2013.

Comments

Total comments: 140
Marksphoto
By Marksphoto (6 months ago)

will there be a panasonic version of the same lens later on?

0 upvotes
ageha
By ageha (4 months ago)

Oh well... That's the Panasonic version.

1 upvote
Zenjitsuman
By Zenjitsuman (6 months ago)

Anyone get the list price yet?

0 upvotes
ageha
By ageha (4 months ago)

Panasonic didn't even launch the lens yet. Is it so hard to read the text above?

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

"Panasonic adds Leica 15mm F1.7 lens"

No, it just PROMISES "15mm F1.7 lens", just like it promised 150/2.8 lens. ;)
It seems Panasonic is about spinning their wheels and releasing and releasing standard zooms again and again and again... 14-45, 14-42, 14-42PZ, 14-42 II, 12-32... more standard zooms than years of the system... and the same story with slow teles - 45-200, 45-175, 45-150, 35-100 (slow one). 20/1.7 II, which is really 20/1.7 in a new body, is not exactly innovation either but wasted somebody's engineering and production resources, while proper (not flaring) f/2.8 UWA zoom is nowhere to be found, and essential 12-35/35-100 f/2.8 pair is overpriced beyond any semblance of reason.

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8 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

You have a good point. There are too many repetition of the same thing over the last four years.

When they introduced the GF1, the 14-45mm was an excellent standard zoom lens with good optics and a metal mount. Then they decided to do a cost-down version, the 14-42mm, to go for the low-end market with the GF3 and G3. The 14-42 PZ was made to cater more for video followed by a smaller size 14-42mm. Now, they are making the 12-32mm which should have been the one that followed the 14-45mm. I am pretty sure it will have a plastic mount. Hopefully the optics are acceptable and as good as the 14-45mm.

With all this flip-flops, it is not surprising professional photographers can't take the micro 4/3 system too seriously despite its convenient size. They are making them to cater for the novice market too much. I really wish they can make a higher end product. I am sure they can but they are just not doing it.

4 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

The recent Oly 12-40mm f/2.8 is getting there but its not from Panasonic. Optically, this lens is above the rest and is as close as one can expect to a Zeiss lens. It has a full metal body with metal mount. It has good neutral colour rendition and has much sharper edges compared to the Lumix 12-35mm f/2.8. Something to look forward too.

Its not cheap but that's OK. You get what you pay for. However, its quite big, definitely too big for the GM1.

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1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> as close as one can expect to a Zeiss lens

I don't think Oly is that bad. it's really an assault to Oly, those who work hard to design and make lenses, by calling their products "Zeiss." same for Sony, Pana, Cosina, Sigma, Tomioka, ...

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jagge
By jagge (6 months ago)

It does NOT make sense. It would have made a LOT of sense to make a 15 mm 1.4 lense or even 1.2 then you could get some ff like wideangle feel.

Why go for a 15 mm. 1.7 when there is a 17 1.8 out there. Is it to difficult with a 1.4 version ? I would LOVE that lense

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> Is it to difficult with a 1.4 version ?

not at all.

it should be easy to make a budget f/1.0 (say 400 US) but may need good design and make for an f/0.72 with good borders/corners to compete with new full-frame f/1.4 lenses (like Sigma 35/1.4).

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2 upvotes
jagge
By jagge (6 months ago)

look a f 1.2 or even 1.4 would be great, a 1.2 of high quality would be a game changer

1 upvote
Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

It is only a matter of time until Olympus comes with a set of f/1.2 or f/1.4 primes to complement that new PRO zoom.

The f/1.7 and f/1.8 primes are quite nice because of their tiny size. However, now it's clear that Olympus also wants to take the system in a pro direction, so I think we can expect faster/larger primes soon.

And to the jackass whining about equivalent lens prices etc... I have the fully equivalent Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 and Canon 40mm f/2.8 (on FF). The Panasonic takes far better pictures. A lens is not only defined by its specs. Image character is everything. This is why people pay thousands for Leica and Zeiss lenses rather than cheap Canon and Nikon lenses. You can't put everything in equivalences. If you would have touched one of these lenses just ONCE in your life you wouldn't be spreading this nonsense on the internet!

3 upvotes
Sir Nick of High Point
By Sir Nick of High Point (6 months ago)

1.7 is plenty fast for a 15mm lens on a half frame camera. This is not a portrait lens, like the 25 1.4. This focal length is more for street photography, where more dof is desired for those spontainiou situations, and most experienced photographers will probably shoot the majority of their pictures stopped down to at least f/4 with this lens.

1 upvote
zkz5
By zkz5 (6 months ago)

> > Is it to difficult with a 1.4 version ?

> not at all.

> it should be easy to make a budget f/1.0 (say
> 400 US)

And you know this because you've designed how many lenses, exactly?

2 upvotes
datiswous
By datiswous (6 months ago)

@Sir Nick: 25mm lens is not portrait, 25mm is standard. 45 or 50 is portrait. 25mm is for street photography, although 15mm can also be handy, but is more for landscape/architecture etc. I think 1.7 on 15mm might be disappointing amount of dof control, like 12mm f2 has that as well. I don't know why the majority of users would stop down this lens most of the time, to have high dof?

I think it is not so interesting for dof control specifically, but more for making images in low light, with high shutterspeed, with low iso and also with good sharpness at that big aperture setting. High iso isn't a big issue anymore nowadays with high iso performance, but lowering iso is allways better.

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martin0reg
By martin0reg (6 months ago)

The 2,5/14 and the 1,7/20 are both missing OIS..this new lens too!
IMO there should be a good stabilization also for wide angles like these, for photo AND for video. To compete with good and fast compacts like sony rx100.

1 upvote
bluevellet
By bluevellet (6 months ago)

Or just use them on an Oly body. :)

2 upvotes
T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

With the exception of this tiny GM1, I think a lot of future Panasonic m4/3 bodies are going to offer in-body stabilization like the GX7. So as we move forward, it's going to be a moot point.

And, obviously, Olympus already offers in-body stabilization in all their m4/3 bodies.

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0 upvotes
martin0reg
By martin0reg (6 months ago)

I've just read that the GX-7 has in-body stabilization ONLY for photo NOT for video. So it seems to be one more lens from pana best suitable for olympus om-d...

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (6 months ago)

The Manual aperture ring is a nice touch, that pretty much would eliminate my need to hit the menus or need dials on the GM1 for most of my travel shooting :) I suspect, though, that this lens plus the GM1 isn't going to be terribly competitive on price!

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

I used to think an aperture ring on the lens and a shutter dial on the camera would be perfect, then there comes an iFn button from Samsung.

0 upvotes
buda1065
By buda1065 (6 months ago)

Panny needs high end primes to go with the GH4 (4K camera).

0 upvotes
Albino_BlacMan
By Albino_BlacMan (6 months ago)

4k is only 10MP, not exactly taxing sensors...

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

they need high end lenses anyway.
but their current policy is not to make any.

0 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (6 months ago)

12-35 and 35-100 are high end.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

high-end in m4/3"'s standard maybe.

0 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (6 months ago)

Which means high end.

2 upvotes
lambert4
By lambert4 (6 months ago)

If it were a weather sealed version to go with the top tier bodies it would offer something new, but lens at f/1.7,1.8, and 2.5 seems redundant notto mention the 20mm Pany and 19mm sigma offerings. No doubt it will be superb but add something that PP cannot like weather sealing.

0 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Honestly it seems like a nice lens, but created for an already crowded focal length range. They should have gone for something wider or longer to make it more interesting. I mean are there really many m43 shooters that were dying for a fast wide prime that didn't already buy one of the 12, 14 or 17mm options?

0 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

I would buy one if the optics are excellent. Currently, the 14mm and 17mm (both the f2.8 and the f1.8 version) are optically not the best. Even the 12mm needs in-camera correction for barrel distortion, CA etc.

However, the 45mm, 75mm and 20mm are excellent.

When used with the three lenses above, it would make an excellent little system for travel photography.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

75 > 45 > 20

the 20/1.7 isn't a so good lens (good for 4/3" maybe).

0 upvotes
FrankS009
By FrankS009 (6 months ago)

Yabokkie: Not so good in what way? Love mine.
F.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> Not so good in what way?

not so good as a lens, what else will you expect?

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technotic
By technotic (6 months ago)

20 1.7 produces superb images.

3 upvotes
Boris PM C
By Boris PM C (6 months ago)

20 1.7 is a pretty decent lens, the sharpness at the centre of the frame is just superb. The edge resolution could be better, so is the distortion. What bothers the most is the focusing speed, which is kinda slow when compared with other lenses these days. Back in the good old days it's really hard to fault.

0 upvotes
ajendus
By ajendus (6 months ago)

The 20mm 1.7 is a great lens. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

3 upvotes
doctorbza
By doctorbza (6 months ago)

m4/3 sure has a nice little system going.

4 upvotes
igorek7
By igorek7 (6 months ago)

Great news for everyone who are using Micro Four Thirds system! There is a need for a wide-angle high quality prime lens, and I think that 15mm f/1.7 would nicely compliment two other Leica's MFT lenses: 25mm f/1.4 and 42.5mm f/1.2.

7 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

25/1.4 is quite below average
compared with 50/1.4 lenses stopped down to f/2.8.

0 upvotes
FrankS009
By FrankS009 (6 months ago)

yabokkie: Not what I hear. Can you be more specific?
F.

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1 upvote
bcalkins
By bcalkins (6 months ago)

My 25/1.4 has a lot better image quality that the full frame camera with 50mm 1/1.4 lens that is left at home... Not to mention that Bokeh can be pretty ugly when stopped down to f/2.8 versus wide open on the 25mm. It is a great 'standard' lens.

Do you take photos or just police MFT equivalence :)

10 upvotes
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (6 months ago)

Apparently, @yabokkie likes to make vague and unsubstantiated criticisms of m4/3 lenses and then when challenged to either stay silent or reiterate without elaboration ... it must be a calling :-)

1 upvote
OneGuy
By OneGuy (6 months ago)

Yabokkie, are you a cross-dresser? It's ok if you are, but it just doesn't work with lenses.

1 upvote
Tomee21
By Tomee21 (6 months ago)

But why 15mm? Why not 12? Or at least 14? Those would make more sense to me than a 30mm equivalent.

1 upvote
Kirppu
By Kirppu (6 months ago)

My bet is that marketing department had decided it would not be cost effective enough.

0 upvotes
julieng
By julieng (6 months ago)

Its meant as a tool to take pictures, not specs. On a field review, you ought not to be bothered that its 15mm and not 14mm.

11 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (6 months ago)

Panasonic already makes a 14mm pancake prime. It's smaller than this new 15mm, albeit not as fast (aperture).

I personally think something between 17 and 25mm would be more useful for everyday shooting.

1 upvote
pellicle
By pellicle (6 months ago)

as you just observed about the 14mm, Panasonic already makes a lens that fits that range, its the 20mm ;-)

1 upvote
Boris PM C
By Boris PM C (6 months ago)

Another possibility: If you've noticed that Panasonic G cams have 3:2 screens instead of 4:3 ones which would get the most out of the 4:3 sensor, it's not too hard to guess they expect you to shoot 3:2. And by cropping a 15mm into 3:2, you'll have something closer to 35mm than expected :D

0 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

A much welcome addition to Micro 4/3 stable of lenses.

This would make an excellent companion to the Lumix GM1 or even my aging Lumix GF1.

Looking forward to try out this lens. Just hoping they will keep the price affordable.

At the way things are going, one shouldn't be surprise that Leica may just introduce a Leica version of the GM1 with this lens.

4 upvotes
JDThomas
By JDThomas (6 months ago)

Kinda makes me sad to see the Summilux name cheapened like this. I'm sure this is a great lens for what it is, but it is a Summilux in name only.

In Leica lore the Summilux has always been reserved for high-end lenses with an f/1.4 aperture. If anything this lens garners the Summicron or more fittingly, Summarit appellation.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

it's good for Leica to make money from a rubbish name.

0 upvotes
Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (6 months ago)

They could also have gone with Summarex, which were a little slower than the f/1.4 Summilux -- thus avoiding confusion with the much slower f/2.5 Summarit.

2 upvotes
JDThomas
By JDThomas (6 months ago)

They could have come up with a new name like they did with the "Nocticron". What a godawful name.

They should call it the "Panalux".

4 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

Panallox

0 upvotes
TN Args
By TN Args (6 months ago)

Nice to see a Leica snob trying to rubbish a new Leica product, purely because it will be made to high standards by the Japanese. Do you think a Japanese lens is automatically bad? Do you think a German-made lens that is to the *same* standards will be the same price?

It is up to Leica to introduce new Leica lenses. And they have done so. Respect that, or diss Leica -- same thing. The Leica m43 lenses are entirely designed by Leica.

And they will out-perform the vast majority of classic Leica glass, that were good for 135 film but put them on a demanding 43 sensor and you will get big blur.

If these perform as well as I anticipate, the Leica name will not be cheapened, it will be expanded. Except to snobs.

The benchmark for these new Leicas needs to be the Zeiss Touit, with its top notch polymer frame and construction, top notch optics as a balanced optical product, and a high but appropriate price.

The Leica legend will then grow. I am pretty excited to see these announcements!

2 upvotes
kodachromeguy
By kodachromeguy (6 months ago)

This will be an interesting addition to the line. In the 1970s, Pentax sold a 30 mm f/2.8 SMC lens for their 35 mm cameras, and in the early 2000s, they had a 31 mm f/1.8 "Limited" for autofocus 35 mm. So this new lens will be equivalent coverage on micro 4/3.

0 upvotes
Godfrey
By Godfrey (6 months ago)

Just amazing how much vitriol is exhibited by people who haven't got a clue.

This looks like a fine lens, a nice wide complement to the Summilux 25 and other Panasonic Leica lens offerings. The Summilux 25 is what I'm currently using most of the time fitted to my OM-D E-M1.

14 upvotes
WhyNot
By WhyNot (6 months ago)

I think a 150mm, a 300 f/4 or a105mm macro would be great but a 15mm lens??? We already have 12, 14, 17 and 20mm primes (and a 9-18mm zoom) – do we need one for every integer focal length? We even have a 15mm f/8 for those of us that want to stuff a GF/GM/GX/Pen into our pockets.

1 upvote
ironcam
By ironcam (6 months ago)

The 14mm is a budget lens. A premium 28 mm'ish equivalent lens is a welcome addition.

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Paul JM
By Paul JM (6 months ago)

no OIS at this price ?
no interest sadly. Would love a fast wide prime with OIS to use with the Blackmagic pocket

1 upvote
flipmac
By flipmac (6 months ago)

Only 1 m4/3 prime has OIS that is currently available and this is much wider and brighter than that so it is to be expected. Besides, if you mount it on a GX7 or any Oly body, it'll be stabilized.

4 upvotes
Yxa
By Yxa (6 months ago)

What price is it?

2 upvotes
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (6 months ago)

@flipmac: but not in video as of yet, and not on the rest of the excellent bodies. That's the point.

1 upvote
rtogog
By rtogog (6 months ago)

This lens is excellent for sure! It is "small" but not pancake style. It will be good additional lens for building a system for Lumix G series, but not for Lumix DMC-GM1. She needs dedicated smaller lens to make it more proportional against its tiny & sexy body. Still salute for Panasonic to keep update their lenses lines.

1 upvote
rusticus
By rusticus (6 months ago)

how do you know?
small and well? we wait from - nobody really needs this lens - for $ 800

5 upvotes
Higuel
By Higuel (6 months ago)

were do u see the price?

thanks!

2 upvotes
JBurnett
By JBurnett (6 months ago)

Another lens option is always good. Those who do indoor, low-light, or street work will likely welcome this lens. For me, the 14mm f/2.5 is just fine, because I'm typically shooting it at around f/5.6. Personally, I would welcome an extra-wide prime (say, 9 or 10mm) more than 15mm.

15 upvotes
ginsbu
By ginsbu (6 months ago)

Yes, 9 or 10mm (f/2.8 or thereabouts) would be very welcome.

6 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (6 months ago)

a reasonably priced, small, good optical quality ultra wide prime is long overdue.
I've been waiting for it since the beginning of M43
No more waiting, Canon's 11-22mm STM fulfilled every wish. (it being a zoom, but with very good IQ)

5 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

If 11-22 on EOS fills your needs, why wouldn't the 9-18mm M.Zuiko, that has been out since pretty much the beginning. It's smaller than the 11-22 and the same FOV range.

2 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (6 months ago)

Four reasons.
1. 11-22 has much better IQ
2. 11-22 has IS
3. 11-22 is much cheaper
4. The EOS M has much better IQ than any M43 camera in the same price range.

1 upvote
TN Args
By TN Args (6 months ago)

"4. The EOS M has much better IQ than any M43 camera in the same price range."

My friend, you are deluded. All expert assessment says "virtually identical IQ between m43 and APS-C". And if you think Canon has the best APS-C sensor.......

1 upvote
rusticus
By rusticus (6 months ago)

why the fuss, or hype - I use my awesome at GM1 20er pancake ;) I do not need this Pana-Leica really

2 upvotes
straylightrun
By straylightrun (6 months ago)

Wait, you mean you're not going to use this lens? Quick, someone notify Panasonic that we no longer need this lens in their lineup so they can cancel it instead of wasting resources making it!!!

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33 upvotes
sdribetahi
By sdribetahi (6 months ago)

I love the 'well I don't need it, so why did they make it' comments.

21 upvotes
rusticus
By rusticus (6 months ago)

es ist ein Hype, sonst nichts ;)

0 upvotes
tt321
By tt321 (6 months ago)

Has anyone noticed that this lens is thinner than all existing M43 lenses? It may seem longer than it is, just as the pancakes may seem flat because they are fat.

1 upvote
Torsten Hoff
By Torsten Hoff (6 months ago)

>> "equivalent to 30mm on a Micro Four Thirds body"

Shouldn't that be 30mm on a 35mm camera?

3 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

I think probably means equivalent to 30mm when used on a m43 body. It is poorly worded, though.

1 upvote
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (6 months ago)

All correct. I've added the better wording though. Thanks.

4 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (6 months ago)

Funnily enough they've just changed it to... "equivalent to 30mm when used on a Micro Four Thirds body" :)

2 upvotes
Jeff Keller
By Jeff Keller (6 months ago)

Should be better now.

1 upvote
SHood
By SHood (6 months ago)

What happened to the 150mm f2.8. Is this lens no longer planned.

3 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (6 months ago)

I don't need something in that focal range. But I do appreciate it has an aperture ring, hopefully something other modern lenses will have more often.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

an aperture ring will mean more cost and less profit.
and if there were a ring,
I'd rather like it to be programmed, not for aperture only.

1 upvote
tt321
By tt321 (6 months ago)

It's helpful to get an extra ring to control anything when used on an ultra-compact like the GM1. Maybe less relevant on a fuller body.

3 upvotes
Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

This lens, the pancake 12-32mm, the upcoming 42.5mm f/1.2 and the upcoming ultra-compact 35-100mm... Panasonic is on a roll. I can't wait to lay my hand on all these lenses.

BTW, this lens is roughly the equivalent of a 20mm f/2 on Nikon DX. I would have killed for that lens on DX.

8 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

wide angle has been a problem for APS DSLRs from day one.
the factor to D7100 = sqrt(23.6 * 15.6 / 17.3 / 13) = 1.28

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brunobarolo
By brunobarolo (6 months ago)

You would have killed for a lens?
Whom? And why?

3 upvotes
gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (6 months ago)

@brunobarolo. In the English language, we tend to use exaggerated remarks to make a point or to try and better describe our intensions. This is just one of many nuances you will learn as your grasp of the language increases.

12 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

there are a thousand reasons that the op wants to kill himself that's why he is still alive.

cannot decide which reason to go.

1 upvote
Mirrorless Crusader
By Mirrorless Crusader (6 months ago)

They already have a 14mm f/2.5 why are they making a 15mm f/1.7? A 12mm f/2.8 that's cheaper than Oly's 12/2 would have been better.

4 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (6 months ago)

Its a higher spec'd lens and not constrained by using a pancake design. Being branded as "Leica", it will have minimal software correction applied. Its also a stop faster.

12 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

a 12/2 that's cheaper than Oly's 12/2 would have been better.

6 upvotes
julieng
By julieng (6 months ago)

Olympus also have two 17mm, none of which is being an alternative product for the other.

0 upvotes
mattmtl
By mattmtl (6 months ago)

Jogger is right IMO.

Another potential factor: if Leica is going to start putting the red dot on Panasonic m43 cameras (a rather vague news story floating around says Panasonic may soon start supplying Leica with ILCs in the $2000 range), they will need some Leica-branded kit lenses. This lens would be an obvious choice for a Leica-badged version of the GM1 and maybe GX7.

1 upvote
Mirrorless Crusader
By Mirrorless Crusader (6 months ago)

yabokkie just trying to be realistic here

0 upvotes
Jorginho
By Jorginho (6 months ago)

No, the GM1 needs a fast streetshooting lens. The 20 mm 1,7 probably has a too big diameter to really look good on it. The Leica wil do better and I guess 30 mm is better allround than a 24 mm.

I wonder what that 35-100 mm is going to be....

With this body and these miniature lenes coming up it seems as if Panasonic is rapidly creating a system within a system...

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Jogger
By Jogger (6 months ago)

Prob $1000 going by the other "Leica" lenses for m43.

0 upvotes
julieng
By julieng (6 months ago)

Last time I checked

PL 1.4/25 : $600
PL 2.8/45 : $800
PL 1.2/42.5 : don't know yet

5 upvotes
mattmtl
By mattmtl (6 months ago)

That 42.5 is going to cost a pretty penny.

My guess for the 15/1.7 would be around $700, give or take $50.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

42.5/1.2 should worth $280 using 85/1.8G as reference
if same quality at open as 85/1.8G stopped down to f/2.4
which I doubt.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

I paid $500 for my 25mm f/1.4, I'm going to assume the 15mm will cost the same or less.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

using 50/1.4G as reference,
genuine Pana fake Leica 25/1.4 should worth $110.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

@yabokkie... I paid $599 for my 85mm f/1.8G, and it's not particularly sharp. If the 42.5mm is anything like the 25mm, it will be significantly sharper than the 85mm f/1.8G stopped down to f/2.4. Plus it comes with IS.

And in terms of DoF the difference between f/1.8 and f/2.4 is really small.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

@yabokkie... the Nikon 50mm f/1.4G is quite crappy as a reference. It is crazy soft until f/2.8, and the bokeh is unpleasant. Nothing like the masterpiece that is the 25mm f/1.4.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

though tested on very different caremas, I guess the center resolution of 25/1.4 may be as good as 50/1.4G but far poorer performance than Nikon towards borders.

and the Nikkor is two stops faster.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (6 months ago)

@yabokkie Or if you use the new Nikon 58mm f1.4 on an APS body the 42.5mm should be worth around $1200 :)

We've been though this before, you can't just make a direct price comparison unless image quality between the lenses is identical, wait til we have samples and lens tests then come back with an equivalent price.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> We've been though this before

and you still don't have a point to make.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

using 58/1.4G as reference,
mounted on DX (D7100), it instantly loses near 60% of value
stopped down to f/2.4 more than 60%, then you get $250.

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Dheorl
By Dheorl (6 months ago)

Ya bookie, it may have less value in your opinion but unfortunately it still costs the same

I think the current priced m43 leica lenses are perfectly reasonably priced.

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rpm40
By rpm40 (6 months ago)

Your weird value calculations make no sense. That's just not the way prices work. They don't sell camera gear by the pound like deli meat, either.

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RPJG
By RPJG (6 months ago)

Don't feed the troll.

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sbszine
By sbszine (6 months ago)

Yabokkie, you do know that 25mm is different to 50mm, right? It might have the equivalent FOV on a crop sensor, but it's still a 25mm lens.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> sell camera gear by the pound like deli meat, either.

actually it's a good rule of thumb for lens prices, like a dollar per gram. there can be several grades or product lines though, usually three, for flank, chuck, and sirloin.

> it's still a 25mm lens.

that I don't care much.
I care what image it can deliver on the sensor.

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TN Args
By TN Args (6 months ago)

yabokkie, what m43 lenses do you own and use and love? What did you pay for them?

IF, though, you are just a troll, then nick off.

If lenses are coming out for people who know that DSLR cameras are fat and ugly and sit at home instead on on one's hip, and make the owner look like a numbat when seen outdoors, then comparing m43 lenses to DSLR fatboys is the most irrelevant activity imaginable.

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RobertSigmund
By RobertSigmund (6 months ago)

If the price is right, it is very tempting, also for the GX7.

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stevo23
By stevo23 (6 months ago)

That little GM1 is a jewel - and if they put out reasonably priced lenses like this, it's a game changer.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

You guys know this is really f4.9 on Medium format, right?

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (6 months ago)

A 1.7 m43 lens lets just as much light in as a Medium Format 1.7 lens. Thus the industry standard where this is rated at 1.7.

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rb59020
By rb59020 (6 months ago)

Yeah, and it's an f32 on the Hubble.

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Albino_BlacMan
By Albino_BlacMan (6 months ago)

But it's a f0.55 on 1/2.5"

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

it's f/1.7 but there is no way it can get you a same photo as f/1.7 in whatever aspect. it's an f/1.7 that can do the job of a f/3.3 on 35mm format.

btw, the factor is not 2 if one wants to be accurate. it's sqrt sensor area-ratio or sqrt(24 * 36 / 17.3 / 13) = 1.96, which gives you exact factor of light gathering capacity.

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Cipher
By Cipher (6 months ago)

Does crop factor really affect light gathering? I mean I can see it affect DoF and obviously FoV, but light gathering? I'd think that if you put a light meter behind the PL 25mm f1.4 and a Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 pointed at the same light source, you'd get the same reading.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> Does crop factor really affect light gathering?

what does cropping mean, other than cropping off light?

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Cipher
By Cipher (6 months ago)

>what does cropping mean, other than cropping off light?

Yes. But the lens is being used on a crop sensor...not a FF sensor. So if a m43 camera with a f1.4 lens and a FF camera with a f1.4 lens were point at the same subject the sensors in each camera would see the level of brightness on the subject.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

> the level of brightness on the subject

same light gathering capacity for same area yes,
but not subject image
which takes 4 times larger area on 35mm format.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Funny people taking my sarcasm to start another real crop factor argument.

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mattmtl
By mattmtl (6 months ago)

Endless trolling and bickering over 35mm equivalency has really made this site a bore. It's all beside the point: is it a good lens that helps the photographer make a good photograph? What other lenses are capable of on other formats is irrelevant. Your pickup can tow a 30-foot boat and my Jetta can't? Well bravo, but why should I care?

It was before my time, but I understand MF fanboys used to engage in exactly the same nonsense vs. 35mm losers back in the 70s. I guess most of those guys (and I'll bet they were all guys) have grown up or died off.

Maybe it's time for the current "crop" of 35mm fanboys to do some growing up of their own.

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Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (6 months ago)

@Cipher: true, your field of view will be the same, and the subject brightness is the same. However, the difference in sensor size means that at f/1.4, your front lens element has to be much larger for the FF camera. Hence, the FF lens focusses *more* light onto the sensor than the smaller m43 lens. Or, if you would make a lens with the same diameter that focusses all that light on the m43 sensor, then there would be no difference in the amount of light gathered...

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tt321
By tt321 (6 months ago)

Light per unit sensor area is the same for all f1.7 lenses. Light per sensor is not the same if the sensor area is different. More total light would have contributed to produce the final photo in the case of the larger sensor. If you enlarge by the same ratio, then in the final displayed pictures, both pictures would have the same light per area, but one picture is larger than the other. If you enlarge to the same display size, the larger sensor would need a smaller enlargement ratio resulting in higher light per display area. It's all besides the point if you don't make efficient use of the more light you get, of course.

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Felix11
By Felix11 (6 months ago)

The point is that a good fast lens on M43 or APS-C can completely eliminate the advantage that "Full Frame".

The Panasonic 25mm F1.4 on a modern sensor M43 body will perform as well in light gathering and DOF as a 50mm F2.8 lens on any full frame body ever made.

Which is why the 35mm F2.8 Carl Zeiss announced for the Sony A7 is disappointing, indeed nearly pointless.

However the Carl Zeiss 24-70 F4 will be equivalent to 12-35 F2.0 on, say, the E-M1. Nice!

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (6 months ago)

I thought the maximum number of thirds was three. Not that four thirds isn't catchy.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Olympus gives 133 percent.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

the current standard is APS-C.

4/3" makers say "same/small f-number"
35mm format makers say "large sensor"

neither tells the true story,
but careless users should be blamed, too.

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RoJack725
By RoJack725 (6 months ago)

Perfect.

Excited for sample images. if it performs like the 25, this is great news.

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GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (6 months ago)

Unless the price is through the roof, the 15mm f1.7 is a very attracive lens.

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plainwhite
By plainwhite (6 months ago)

Can't wait...

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88SAL
By 88SAL (6 months ago)

Nicely done!

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