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Sony announces A7 and A7R: first full-frame mirrorless cameras

By dpreview staff on Oct 16, 2013 at 06:00 GMT

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Sony has announced the A7 and A7R - the world's first consumer-oriented full-frame mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. Externally, the two bodies are nearly identical and feature a pentaprism-like EVF housing, generous handgrip and plenty of manual controls. The differences are internal - sporting a 36 megapixel sensor, the A7R has no optical low-pass filter and is limited to contrast-detect autofocus, while the less expensive A7 has a 24 megapixel sensor with a low-pass filter and on-chip phase detection. Both bodies are designed around the Sony NEX E-mount, though new 'FE' lenses are needed to take advantage of the larger sensor. They also feature a new BIONZ X processor, XGA OLED 'Tru-finder', 3-inch LCD, Wi-Fi connectivity with NFC, and 60p video recording. 

Existing lenses for Sony's NEX range of APS-C mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras will mount and work as expected, though the scene will be cropped (though Sony gives you the option not to do so if you can live with some inevitable vignetting). Sony Alpha lenses can also be mounted via either the LA-EA3 or LA-EA4, the latter of which includes SLT autofocus technology. See our first impressions report for more.

The A7 will be sold in a body-only kit for $1699 or with a new 28-70 F3.5-5.6 OSS lens for $1999. The A7R is not bundled with a lens, and is priced at $2299. Both cameras are expected to ship in December.

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Press Release:

Sony Unveils World’s First Full-Frame Mirrorless Cameras 1

SAN DIEGO, Oct. 15, 2013 – Sony’s new A7 and A7R digital cameras are the world’s smallest full-frame interchangeable lens models 2.  Highly anticipated by professional photographers and imaging enthusiasts alike, the two new cameras offer an unmatched combination of creativity, customizability and portability.

The A7R model features a 36.4 effective megapixel 35mm Exmor® CMOS sensor – the highest resolution sensor in the history of Sony’s A line – with no optical low pass filter for added resolving power and increased image detail.  The A7 model boasts an impressive 24.3 effective megapixel 35mm Exmor® CMOS sensor and an innovative fast Hybrid AF system. 

Each camera is equipped with advanced imaging features including a powerful new  BIONZ® X processor; fast AF capabilities; a clear, bright XGA OLED Tru-finder, full HD 60p video recording, Wi-Fi® and NFC connection, dust-and moisture- resistance and more.

“With these new A7 camera systems, Sony has completely redefined the look and feel of a professional-grade digital camera,” said Mike Kahn, director of the interchangeable lens camera business at Sony Electronics.  “The A7 and A7R cameras are significantly smaller, lighter and more portable than any other full-frame interchange lens camera yet deliver image quality, power and performance that professionals and enthusiasts crave.”

Both cameras feature full customization and control to meet the needs of the most demanding photographers.  There are 9 different customizable buttons and 46 assignable functions that can be adjusted based on shooting preferences, including fully customizable front and back dials, a rear control wheel and an exposure compensation dial 3.  Users can preview all changes to photographic settings in real-time on the high-contrast, 2.4 million dot XGA OLED Tru-Finder or the high-resolution tiltable 3” LCD screen.

The new cameras share a powerful new BIONZ X processor that accurately reproduces details in textures in real-time via extra high-speed processing capabilities, and allows for exceptional low noise performance in all types of lighting conditions.  Additionally, the powerful processor combined with the advanced, high resolution sensors allow both cameras to shoot pro-quality Full HD video (AVCHD progressive, 1920x1080p @ 60p) with richly detailed colors and ultra-low noise.

Clear Image Zoom has been enhanced for video recording as well, allowing for powerful close-up shots without sacrificing pixel count.  Other pro-style movie features include an audio recording level control and display plus a “live” HDMI® output for passing through video to an external monitor or recording device.

The new cameras both have on-board Wi-Fi and NFC capabilities for instant image sharing and transfer to compatible smartphones and tablets.  The A7R and A7 models can access Sony’s platform of PlayMemories™ Camera Apps, allowing users to add new effects, filters, utilities and more.  This platform includes new ‘Multiple Exposure’ app, which automatically combines sequential exposures into one creative shot, and ‘Smart Remote Control’ 4, which allows for direct control of exposure and shutter speed from a connected smartphone and is particularly useful for self-portraits or group shots 5.  Find out more at www.playmemoriescameraapps.com .

The new A7 and A7R cameras each have a tough, magnesium alloy build and are dust and moisture resistant for standing up to some of the toughest weather conditions.

A7R Camera

Designed for professional photographers and highly advanced enthusiasts, the new A7R model is the world’s smallest and lightest full-frame interchangeable lens camera2. 

It has an impressive 36.4 effective megapixel full frame sensor and no optical low pass filter, ensuring that the extraordinary resolving power is fully realized and resulting in an unprecedented level of detail and clarity in images. 

The camera features a new Fast Intelligent AF technology that delivers blazingly quick, accurate autofocus.  Additionally, there are a total of three selectable sizes for the Flexible Spot AF frame, minimizing the risk of accidentally focusing on the wrong target. 

A7 Camera

Offering an exciting entry into the world of full-frame photography, the A7 camera features an advanced 24.3 effective megapixel full-frame Exmor CMOS sensor paired with the powerful new BIONZ X processor.

The exciting new camera has an innovative Fast Hybrid AF system that combines phase- and contrast-detect AF methods to ensure speedy, accurate autofocus.  It can also shoot at up to 5 fps continuously with non-stop AF tracking, allowing it to keep pace with fast-moving athletes, wildlife or energetic children.

New Sony A Lenses and Accessories

There are a total of 5 new full-frame E-mount lenses designed to take full advantage of the powerful imaging capabilities of the A7R and A7 cameras, including mid-range zoom lenses from Sony and Carl Zeiss, two bright Zeiss Sonnar T*™ prime lenses and a premium-quality G Lens™ telephoto zoom.  Sony’s growing E-mount interchangeable lens lineup now consists of 21 different lenses including the new full-frame models.

In addition to the new lenses, there are also two new-generation mount adaptors that give photographers the ability to utilize full-frame Sony A-mount optics on the A7 and A7R cameras.  The LA-EA3 adapter simply adds compatibility for existing A-mount lenses the new cameras, while the LA-EA4 model adds the ultra-fast focusing and shooting capabilities of Sony’s innovative Translucent Mirror Technology.

There is also a new vertical grip (VG-C1EM) that offers greater comfort during vertical shooting and can accommodate two separate NP-FW50 batteries for extended battery life and shooting time.  A new BC-TRW compact external battery charger that quickly charges batteries and is great for travel, and FA-CS1M off camera shoe allows the use of external flashes (HVL-43M, 20M) in off-camera wired applications.   Additionally, the new LCS-ELCA premium soft leather carry case protects the A7 and A7R cameras from scuffs and marks while being carried. 

Pricing and Availability

The Sony A7R and A7 full-frame interchangeable lens cameras will be available for purchase this December.  

The A7R camera will be offered as a body-only for about $2300. 

The Sony A7 compact system camera will be offered with a 28-70mm F3.5 – F5.6 full-frame lens (model SEL2870) for about $2000.  It will also be offered as a body-only for about $1700.

The versatile new LA-EA3 and LA-EA4 mount adapters will be available in December for about $200 and $350, respectively.

The new VG-C1EM vertical grip and LCS-ELCA premium case will also be available in December for about $300 and $ 140, respectively. 

The new camera and all compatible accessories will be available at Sony retail stores (www.store.sony.com) and other authorized dealers nationwide.

Please visit www.blog.sony.com for a full video preview of the new Sony A7R and A7 full-frame cameras and follow #SonyAlpha on twitter for the latest A camera news.

1 According to survey conducted by Sony as of October 2013, for non-reflex interchangeable lens digital camera equipped with auto focus function. 

2 According to Sony’s internal research as of October 2013

3 Some functions can only be assigned to certain buttons

4 ‘Direct Upload’ available at launch. ‘Multiple Exposure’, ‘Smart remote control v2.10’, ‘Picture Effect+’, ‘Photo Retouch’ and ‘Lens Compensation’ will be available for the A7 / A7R by the end of 2013

5 A7 series will become compatible with “Camera Remote API beta”(http://camera.developer.sony.com) , API (Application Program Interface) for remote operation of Sony camera with Wi-Fi-equipped smartphones and electronic tablets, after installation of the most recent Smart Remote Control that is distributed from countries providing PlayMemories Camera Apps.

Sony A7 and Sony A7R specifications

 Sony Alpha 7Sony Alpha 7R
Price
MSRP$1699.99 / £1299 (body only), $1999.99 / £1549 (with 28-70mm F3.5-5.6 lens)$2299.99 / £1699 (body only)
Body type
Body typeSLR-style mirrorless
Body materialMagnesium alloy
Sensor
Max resolution6000 x 40007360 x 4912
Other resolutions6000 x 3376, 3936 x 2624, 3936 x 2216, 3008 x 1688, 3008 x 20007360 x 4144, 4800 x 3200, 4800 x 2704, 3680 x 2072, 2400 x 1600
Image ratio w:h3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels24 megapixels36 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors25 megapixels37 megapixels
Sensor sizeFull frame (35.8 x 23.9 mm)Full frame (35.9 x 24 mm)
Sensor size notesNo optical low-pass filter
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorBionz X
Color spacesRGB, AdobeRGB
Color filter arrayPrimary color filter
Image
ISO100-25600
White balance presets10
Custom white balanceYes
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsExtra fine, fine, standard
File format
  • JPEG (DCF 2.0, EXIF 2.3)
  • RAW (ARW 2.3)
Image parameters
  • Standard, Vivid, Neutral, Clear, Deep, Light, Portrait, Landscape, Sunset, Night Scene, Autumn Leaves, Black & White, Sepia
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (4)
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points11725
Lens mountSony E
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDTilting
Screen size3
Screen dots1,230,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeXtra Fine LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder magnification0.71×
Viewfinder resolution2,359,000
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/8000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Auto
  • Program
  • Aperture priority
  • Shutter priority
  • Manual
Scene modes
  • Portrait, Landscape, Macro, Sports Action, Sunset, Night Portrait, Night Scene, Hand-held Twilight, Anti Motion Blur
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (via Multi Interface shoe)
Drive modes
  • Single, continuous, speed priority continuous, self-timer, bracketing (AE, white balance, DRO)
Continuous drive5 fps4 fps
Self-timerYes (2 or 10 sec; continuous (3 or 5 exposures))
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±5 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±5 (3, 5 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV, 2/3 EV, 1 EV, 2 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (60p, 60i, 24p), 1440 x 1080 (30p), 640 x 480 (30p)
FormatMPEG-4, AVCHD
Videography notesheadphone and microphone ports, XLR support via adapter
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC, Memory Stick Duo/Pro Duo/Pro-HG Duo
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (micro-HDMI port with 4K still, uncompressed video output)
Microphone portYes
Headphone portYes
WirelessBuilt-In
Wireless noteswith NFC and wireless control via PlayMemories Mobile app
Remote controlYes (wired)
Physical
Environmentally sealedYes
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionNP-FW50 lithium-ion battery and charger
Battery Life (CIPA)340
Weight (inc. batteries)474 g (1.04 lb / 16.72 oz)465 g (1.03 lb / 16.40 oz)
Dimensions127 x 94 x 48 mm (5 x 3.7 x 1.89)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingNo
GPSNone
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Total comments: 150
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Rolfens
By Rolfens (3 days ago)

This is a great camera, and if I needed to do pro video I'd buy it. It's very versatile and doubles as great still and video camera at the same time. It is an indication of things to come, as the frontiers between video and photo get blurred (already happening). Maybe I'll go into video just to have an excuse to get one of these :)
OK, I'm not dying to get one, but seriously, it's impressive work from Sony. I still don't like Sony as a company, though.

0 upvotes
svashist
By svashist (6 months ago)

If only Sony put in a decent built in flash instead of the optical viewfinder.. :(

0 upvotes
Vegasus
By Vegasus (6 months ago)

I don't care what ppl say here, " ugly or any not happy comments ", This is what i am waiting for, FF mirrorless, too bad i wont buy Sony although the technology is first in the world, why? Simple i invest so much money on Nikon gear, i wish nikon make FF mirrorless that compatible to use existing FX lenses. I know the sony a7 is a good camera but still wont buy it.

2 upvotes
SonyJon
By SonyJon (6 months ago)

Mr Vegasus,
May I suggest lens mount adapters that will allow you to use your Nikon lenses. Coming sooon from novoflex, metabones, etc.
Sonyjon

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 1 minute after posting
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Zoron
By Zoron (6 months ago)

A7 design seems less articulated than others, Olympus and Fuji......i like the retro edgy style but this is not it, not nail in the coffin.

0 upvotes
arieswar
By arieswar (6 months ago)

i dont understand people complaining it's ugly. It's actually decent camera and beside, u use it as a camera - not as fashion!

2 upvotes
rtogog
By rtogog (6 months ago)

I prefer to say as "gadget". Just expressing a new technology in digital era which was a dream during analogue time. Not sure it will fit functionally on your hand as the lens size still the same as big as usual.

0 upvotes
red fuji
By red fuji (6 months ago)

dito - KISS.

0 upvotes
Joachim Gerstl
By Joachim Gerstl (6 months ago)

This camera will put off people that love to put specials straps on their cameras and make lo.. and take pictures of them.
Brave design from Sony.

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Canon and Nikon will continue to treat their mirrorless efforts like deformed children you hide in the attic.

Comment edited 23 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (6 months ago)

Styling wise, this must be one of the ugliest Sony did recently, but hey. its also one of the few System type camera that just look way better with its vertical grip on.

Again, the physics prevail, people keep complaining about big lens on small body, hey its what they ask for, they ask for fast zoom that covers, compact body, heyt they got it, but they forget that fast lens just are going to be big, they can't expect a f/2.8 zoom to be sized like those 3.5-5.6 kit zoom. Again that also brings up the issue, if so, why not use the fix focals, the 55 and 35 is a start, but we need the lot here.

1 upvote
svuori
By svuori (6 months ago)

I'd consider buying if they had IBIS. It really makes no sense shaving off a few grams and millimeters from the body when the lenses are going to be big anyway. Olympus has shown what can be done with IBIS (the e-m1 results look incredible). Also, you can upgrade the stabilization of all of your lenses by purchasing a new body. I like that.

1 upvote
Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (6 months ago)

I guess that's for their A mount mirrorless if its still a fact instead of vaporware. You know IBIS is not just a few grams and mm. To do so for a FF, that would require a movement on all side with a range of mm , yes, but then its now a total new shutter cage that needing to cover that and a frame to hold the sensor shutter assembly, and then the body and the power etc ... it all add up. Its likely that if Sony would put IBIS in there, the cam would not be this slim and this compact. Its going to be pretty much a classic alpha sie ( well sort of like a slightly shallower and slimmed down A99 )

There's always give and take

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Zoron
By Zoron (6 months ago)

I m too surprised that there is no IBIS.....may b its a ploy for second generation A7.....u know Ipad 1 - Ipad 2, the bloody front facing camera n super slim version...they just double their sales.

1 upvote
BBking83
By BBking83 (6 months ago)

Even the "FF lovers" aren't happy with this.

Well, it is the first of it's kind. But it seems that no matter WHAT is released, a big baulky DSLR will always be better. Even if there was a medium format mirrorless camera, it seems that "Micro" (due to m4/3) is attached to mirrorless and means it's smaller.

Ah well, keep shooting with whatever you've got. Mirrorless is still young.

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (6 months ago)

Don't know but as a FF user now, I am pretty happy with the A7R ( except for the styling, but that had nothing to do with the cam's function ). To me, the issue with any mirrorless today is still their lens, or rather lack of it. And that's a Dilemma the Mfr need to face, they can't just say they do not have the market yet to deliver, cause its with those lens that generate the market, not the other way round. They must first invest and deliver before they can get their business. And so far they are pretty slack in doing that

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

The haters always have the loudest voices, especially with anything new or anything deviating from the conventional. You also have to remember that this is essentially a first-generation product. It will mature. There were a lot of "smart phone lovers" who also hated the iPhone, and loudly predicted it would fail (think of Steve Ballmer's hackling dismissal of the iPhone: ""There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share...it doesn't have a keyboard!") Sometimes, when something off the beaten path shows up, it really gets "beaten" up by the naysayers. But give it time to mature, and time for people to adjust.

3 upvotes
Zoron
By Zoron (6 months ago)

Exactly.....don't accept f1.8 prime or f4.0 zoom sht.....we want 1.4 prime n 2.8 zoom only....wait for 2nd gen A7 or A9 with stabilization....in the mean time shoot with what u have.

1 upvote
RedFox88
By RedFox88 (6 months ago)

Small camera and big lenses don't make any sense since removing the mirror is claimed to be to made the camera smaller. Big lenses make the camera big to use.

2 upvotes
T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

A smaller camera with a big lens still yields a smaller overall kit. And lighter too. I would much rather travel with an A7 kit than I would my Canon FF DSLR kit. I really, desperately want Canon to come out with a FF mirrorless camera of their own; an A7 killer. Even if the lenses were the same size as FF DSLR lenses, it's still a size and weight advantage.

0 upvotes
Sessility
By Sessility (6 months ago)

Interesting, although APS-C has had so much development and is now so good, that the differentiator of FF has reduced a lot (plus the APS-C crop factor can be an advantage, e.g. macro, tele range).

However, having tried out even the best current EVFs and not liking them one bit, I'd still say: No OVF = no sale for me personally.

1 upvote
Shamael
By Shamael (6 months ago)

Wait 1 more years, and you will commit suicide then. World goes forward, you step on the spot.

1 upvote
Dazzer8888
By Dazzer8888 (6 months ago)

serious serious cameras...put any lens on it you like with an adapter, if you don't mind manual focus, which many don't.

I won't be selling my A99 and 24-70 Zeiss as that's a different beast, but will be getting an A7R for more experimental stuff like free lensing and tilt shift.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (6 months ago)

And I say many, many more won't be bothered with manual focus lenses. Camera users have voted with their wallets buying autofocus since it came out to the point where extremely small number of manual focus lenses are made anymore. And those are generally made by companies who haven't/can't do the R&D to reverse engineer autofocus, e.g. Samayung.

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guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (6 months ago)

Wow! FF sensor with E mount. Full FOV with TP lenses via a myriad of lens adaptors. I think I want one, doesn't matter which!

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (6 months ago)

I used to shoot film with optical viewfinder and loved it. Then I got the Powershot Pro1 and got used to the electroninc viewfinder. Now I bought new DSLR with optical viewfinder again and I LOVE it! Seeing the scene with my 300 to 600 megapixel eyes is SO much nicer. I don't mind the extra bulk at all anymore now that I know what I was missing. It is simply far more enjoyable shooting now.

2 upvotes
mick232
By mick232 (6 months ago)

You do know that the OVF limits the resolution, right? Nowhere near 300 to 600 megapixels.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (6 months ago)

The human eye can only view a small area at any given time. We scan the scene with our eyes and our mind combines this information. You will never see 300 - 600 megapixels through a viewfinder but it is available to your eye through an optical viewfinder. It is NOT available through an EVF.

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Ed/Chicago
By Ed/Chicago (6 months ago)

Those A7s are sweet looking camera, and have a lot of great features I like.. Love the design......

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

"The new A7 and A7R cameras each have a tough, magnesium alloy build and are dust and moisture resistant for standing up to some of the toughest weather conditions."

"Moisture-resistant"... without gasket on a card door. What do they mean, it will not immediately blow up if you wipe it with a slightly dump cloth, or what? ;-)

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

"Sony announces A7 and A7R: first full-frame mirrorless ILC cameras"

First of all, Leica M9 was the first full-frame mirrorless ILC camera, long time ago.

Comment edited 18 seconds after posting
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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (6 months ago)

That's right. In fact the term mirroless has falsely been assigned only to modern digital cameras. 35mm format actually started life in mirrorless cameras!

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guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (6 months ago)

Actually, for digital, it was likely to have been the Epson RD-1 in 2005.

Comment edited 43 seconds after posting
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kamuishirou1999
By kamuishirou1999 (6 months ago)

The RD-1 wasn't full-frame.

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Shamael
By Shamael (6 months ago)

they just made an error, the word "affordable" is missing there.
Errare humanum est!

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

Leica's have a mirror in the rangefinder - so Sony cam get away with the "first full-frame mirrorless" claim.

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AD in KC
By AD in KC (6 months ago)

I love it. This is a great idea and I hope Canon takes note. I can see this being the future for wide angle lenses that have had to deal with that mirror-flipping space. Maybe the next generation of wide TS lenses can be designed without any distance constraints on that inner-most element and be lighter, brighter, sharper, prettier... And while I'm making requests of Canon, how about put the tripod mount on the lens in such a way that the CAMERA shifts, not the lens? Like an Arca-Swiss R series body...

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Verbruci
By Verbruci (6 months ago)

Thank you Sony! This will allow for a new chain of events. Like with many other product categories, Sony behaves like a pioneer, always presenting very strong new products. The following models will be slightly less well built and before you know it Sony produces the low end crap and it's time for the other brands (Canon, Nikon) to take over. This was the same with the CD player, the DVD player and last the Blu-ray player. First and second genaration products were always of such a high standard. Where brands like Denon and Marantz were strugling, Sony produced the best performing and best built products. From the third genarations and on, the roles turned 180 degrees. Now you can buy a Sony Blu-ray player for $ 49,-, something which is impossible when you go shopping for a Marantz player.

I guess it 'll be the same with the mirrorless FF camera's. Not that it's bad though... At least I can keep my collection Nikkor lenses when Nikon introduces their Mirrorless version of the A7r :-)

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trainerKEN
By trainerKEN (6 months ago)

really? because so far, Nikon's and Canon's mirrorless cameras are crap comparing to the NEX line

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

With the APS-C NEX cameras Sony produced relatively cheap "crap" lenses and cameras first - and then much better models later.

Comment edited 32 seconds after posting
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Matt Random
By Matt Random (6 months ago)

Standards are rarely future proof - especially in technology. So it is good to see that Sony is willing to diverge from the A-Mount as we move into an era where an enormous cavity for a mirror is no longer required. Time will tell how much forethought Sony has put into the E-Mount. The fact the EF is possible seems to indicate that there was at least some forethought.

I'll be watching this technology to see if it becomes suitable to replace my a65 at some point. For now it is hard to beat the AF speed, burst speed, IBIS and GPS (really enjoy that) all in a fairly compact body. I do really enjoy the DR and usable ISO range of the RX1 so I could see myself wanting to go to a full frame system camera at some point. When that time comes I suspect that there may not be a lot of advantages to sticking with a larger DSLR or SLT (which seems like it may now be dead).

I should also mention that I'm not a Sony fanboy. I used Canon much longer than Sony and always have my eye on Fuji.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (6 months ago)

No oil painting, but a large step towards the democratization of full frame sensors, which is good news.
Still I hope one day a new Maitani will come and design a small, practical and beautiful full frame DSLR with a proper optical viewfinder.

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

Pricy lenses, even for the enthusiast shooter.

Comment edited 16 seconds after posting
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PatJDooley
By PatJDooley (6 months ago)

With adapters you can use your existing glass. See http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/15/hands-on-1st-impressions-the-sony-a7-a7r-and-rx10/

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trainerKEN
By trainerKEN (6 months ago)

it's the FF game, you want to play, you gotta pay...

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Seems to me that this setup has all of the disadvantages of both FF DSLR and Mirrorless systems combined.

3 upvotes
Strikeroot
By Strikeroot (6 months ago)

"Ugly" must be what people revert to saying when they have no other avenue for meaningful criticism.

4 upvotes
dyoon153
By dyoon153 (6 months ago)

As long as it's comfortable to hold and shoot and tweak settings with ease, I'm in, even if it's ugly (and it's not that ugly)...
It's not like one will 'wear' this all the time as a fashion statement...

3 upvotes
Francis P
By Francis P (6 months ago)

I actually like how it looks, and would be hella tempted to put a "Minolta" logo over the Sony one just for laughs.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (6 months ago)

Ugliest pair of cameras ever produced, like ever, and the lenses for them are really ugly, too. Could these have all been designed in some secret lab in the German Democratic Republic, say back in 1962?

Heck, for this much money, one could get a Canon or Nikon full-frame DSLR. What was Sony even thinking here, by jolly?

hey shot themselves in the foot with the lenses, too. A7 and its matching lenses may be of possible interest for someone who does not now on any gear, Sony or otherwise. But really, and for about the same money, Canon and Nikon gives you so much more.

Although only APS-C sensor, the latest Pentax K-3 blows this Sony A7 camera and proprietary E-mount lenses right out of the water.

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Silvarum
By Silvarum (6 months ago)

Want a beautiful camera - buy Leica. Sony talks function here, not fashion.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

I like the look of this camera - looks like an RX1, which is good, plus an EVF in a prism like housing. Every existing full frame DSLR looks much less attractive.

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Harvey E. Morse
By Harvey E. Morse (6 months ago)

What do you give up or gain by not having the anti-aliasing filter?

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dyoon153
By dyoon153 (6 months ago)

Sharper image, but possible moire patterns on fabrics, etc...

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (6 months ago)

Get the Pentax K-3 for $1,300 instead, and you the user can decide on the field whether you want the AA or not. Just switch to have it ON or OFF.

I guess Sony did not yet get that memo?

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domina
By domina (6 months ago)

The anti-aliasing filter reduces resolution but the images it produces accurate to what you saw with your eyes. Without the filter, you get more resolution, but you may see things in the photo that weren't there in the first place. It's a kind of optical noise.

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mick232
By mick232 (6 months ago)

@Francis: The K-3 achieves the optional AA effect using its sensor stabilizer. Since the A7(r) do not have a sensor stabilizer, Sony cannot implement this technique, can they?

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Axibis
By Axibis (6 months ago)

Is DSLR going to die soon?

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Strikeroot
By Strikeroot (6 months ago)

Better. It'll just be subsumed.

The mirror will go EVF. Cameras will just come in compact / minimalist / rangefinder style, or large grip / 747 cockpit style.

People will have a hard time remembering back to what the battle lines even were.

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dyoon153
By dyoon153 (6 months ago)

No, not soon.
Especially with that price point...

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chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (6 months ago)

Mirrorless cameras are more portable, but still can't match the AF tracking capability of DSLRs at the same price point, and have short battery life. That's two pretty big shortcomings.

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Silvarum
By Silvarum (6 months ago)

Well, AF will match DSLRs sooner or later, but I guess battery life will always be a downside. Constant sensor read-out consumes a lot of power.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

@chlamchowder
You may be right about AF tracking capability (though that will improve) - but focus accuracy is likely to be better with an on sensor system than with an off sensor PDAF system.
Battery life is always going to be worse with an EVF - but a couple of spares don't take up much room.

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Abram1
By Abram1 (6 months ago)

What external flashes are compatible with the A7? I'd consider the A7 if one of the small NEX external flashes would work. I'm not sure if an adapter is needed though or not. Any insight greatly appreciated...

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Kirppu
By Kirppu (6 months ago)

I'm interested to see what Canon and Nikon will bring in to the game to compete this. :)

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cabgeo
By cabgeo (6 months ago)

It is funny that the camera they really seem to be going after is the EM-1, a MFT versus FF? Ironically I looked at an EM-1 yesterday, nice camera but really expensive when you think how small sensor is. Figure you can buy a camera that has a sensor that has 4 times the size and cost 40% more, it's not a stretch to think that potential EM-1 buyers will pony up the extra 40%. In my realm, I looking forward to a bargain on an NEX-6 or 7.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (6 months ago)

I like my Oly E30 and lenses. I like the results I get. For me, I see that the EM-1 seems (at this point) likely a more cost effective camera for me. I'm not counting out the A7 completely. I don't think I owe loyalty to ANY camera brand. I want to figure out, 1) if the kit lens is any good, and 2) does it exceed what I consider to be MY practical size/weight limit.

There are more guys like me than you think. If Oly can sell an EM-1 to just a third of their DSLR holdouts, they will have a pretty successful camera.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (6 months ago)

You asked for it now you got it. LIVE WITH IT.

Price for A7 is what A99 should be with all the normal DSLR precision machining parts out. 1/8000s shutter and big EVF is nice.

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (6 months ago)

Man, I tell you, Sony ain't playing around. Their first attempts at being a serious photographer's camera, like the Sony A100 & the "translucent mirror" models, really were nothing to get so excited about. But since they got their NEX line together after the initial botched user interface (which still could use some work, but it's better), they have been on a roll.

The NEX series has been revolutionary for me. No longer do I need a Nikon D5100 or D7000, the C3 has the same 1.5x 16mp sensor & image quality right on my hip. I can mount a $5 1980 Nikkor 50mm 1.8 for razor-sharp portraits & lovely bokeh, with full aperture-priority metering, something only the D7000/D7100 & up DSLRs can do. (And they don't do "focus peaking" either.)

And now--the possibility of Nikon D600 quality on your hip? Now see, that's innovating. Nikon & Canon are so busy trying to protect their DSLRs they give you jokes like the Nikon V1 & Canon M. No thank you (although a Nikon J1 is great as a spouse camera).

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audijam
By audijam (6 months ago)

if it reads Minolta 7R then yes I will consider buying one.....but since it says Sony....NAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

someone already said it well...this is just copying Olympus' idea and no innovation....BOOO YA SONY!

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audijam
By audijam (6 months ago)

and yeah this camera is soooo ugly!

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Michaels7
By Michaels7 (6 months ago)

Those are some of the stupidest reasons not to buy a camera.

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audijam
By audijam (6 months ago)

You buy Sony because your TV, walkman are made by Sony....what stupidest reasons to buy a Sony DSLR.

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dopsgp
By dopsgp (6 months ago)

Busy day for toilets in Solms. Leica execs cr-pping bricks now.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (6 months ago)

Very unlikely. Not even a good try. Leica has its own camera market, they are unaffected.

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Michaels7
By Michaels7 (6 months ago)

Oh really? From wnt I've read so far on another website's forum, there are a lot of Canon and Nikon users that are already looking to buy. Some have gone as far as saying that they'll use it over their d800.

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gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (6 months ago)

Yes really Michaels7, I doubt anyone with serious cash invested in Leica, Nikkor or L Series Lenses will switch over to such a butt ugly camera.

Sony why such an ugly camera, you really could have done so much better.

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The Lotus Eater
By The Lotus Eater (6 months ago)

The 5D Mark IIIs and D800s of this world are hardly beauty queens. Besides, would you really reject a camera based purely on looks?

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (6 months ago)

Yes, this is a very nice camera for some, but I've already got tens of thousands of dollars spread across the Leica and Nikon systems and I don't see myself or anyone else that is prudent jumping to this camera just because it's full-frame in a tiny body.

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dopsgp
By dopsgp (6 months ago)

I've just been told the waitlist for M 240 bodies at a local Leica store have been reduced from 20 to 8 in less than 24 hours due to cancellations. I suppose Leica can now sit back and take their time producing the digital Ms, because a good number of RF users who want FF will be shifting to the A7 + E to M mount adapters.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

@Michaels7
Nikon and Canon users are not Leica users.

@gdfthr73
Actually it looks much better than any Nikon or Canon DSLR

@dopsgp
Even if the waiting list for the M240 goes down, the waiting list for M lenses may go up if many people want to use Leica lenses on the A7 cameras.

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ptox
By ptox (6 months ago)

Does anyone know if an M-mount adapter will be possible?

EDIT: I guess it will.

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ageha
By ageha (6 months ago)

Possible? Just go out and buy one, they are available for ages.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

Once they release a set of 24, 35, 50 and 85 f/2 primes, I'm buying into this system. Such primes would be f/1 equivalent on micro four thirds. I would sell all my Nikon gear and have a Sony system for FF low light/DoF, and an Olympus MFT system as a second, even more portable system. Ideally, Sony just makes Olympus join this new FF system.

Nikon and Canon took a dump all over their customers by blocking DX and forcing dysfunctional FX cameras onto their DX users. I'm not interested in lugging 2 kg of camera around. My PEN E-P5 system runs circle around my Nikon DX system it's not even funny.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (6 months ago)

***and forcing dysfunctional FX cameras onto their DX users.***

LOL..what did hit you?

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PEBuwrArchaeology
By PEBuwrArchaeology (6 months ago)

I have found the NEX-6 a delightful camera to use, often fitted with the excellent Voigtlander 12mm (18mm with the APS chip). I am also using this camera underwater in a Nauticam housing fitted with the best Nikonos lens ever, the fully water-corrected 15mm, carried over from the old film use days.
With the Alpha 7 the full angle of view (essential for my underwater work) of the 15mm (actually, in practice, approx 21mm - 94º diagonal angle) will be available. Barring some unforeseen difficulty in camera/lens matching I eagerly await the Alpha 7

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crisarg
By crisarg (6 months ago)

I read wired remote control from the specs. Is it really true?

Or it's the same support for IR wireless remotes like in NEX series?

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (6 months ago)

...just a couple of weeks after that illuminating article about adapters... :-P

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Tan68
By Tan68 (6 months ago)

Yeah, I wonder about that. A person might wonder if that was intended as a prophylactic to protect from people getting too excited about this Sony thing.

I just don't see that an adapter is inherently worse than either extension tubes or tele converters. Haven't really heard complaints about them. Of course, TC has elements but just considering construction of the adapter barrel and interior coating...

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (6 months ago)

Since the article was about misalignment, all three are inherently worse than body+lens.
In additio to that, TC and, sometimes, adpters also have some additional glass.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (6 months ago)

If they placed a sensor-shift OIS on the 7R, it would have been fab, The real question is how fast is the CDAF on the 7R.

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N22515
By N22515 (6 months ago)

Aha! Most interesting message from SONY is that NEX will not be continued, as said in the SONY video.

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Catalin Stavaru
By Catalin Stavaru (6 months ago)

It's about the NEX brand, not the NEX system. For example, the NEX-5R/T/N will be called ILCE-5000, from what I read.

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dopsgp
By dopsgp (6 months ago)

The horrible NEX user interface is gone for sure, replaced with the UI from the RX1.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

Looks like the RX1 design team was involved with this - and not just for the menus

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andersf
By andersf (6 months ago)

Still confused about the various lens mounts. If we disregard anything needing an adapter, how many lenses with full image circle do these cameras have available at launch? How many more are announced? I'm surprised they haven't launched it with a pancake 40mm or so, which would have really shown its compactness and offered a cheap kit.

Most importantly, what is the track record of 3rd party manufacturers for providing Sony lenses? I assume that because of the different registration distance, it's not as simple as providing a different mount if e.g. sigma wants to make a 35/1.4 or 25-105/4 for these bodies?

This is what it all comes down to in the end, how fast will we have a broad lineup of good quality lenses at competitive prices (meaning competition required)?

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photogalleryonline
By photogalleryonline (6 months ago)

First Impressions = Its Ugly.
Second Impression is = I am confused so we have A FF ,A APS-C, E APS-C and now E FF, what for? Why does one need E FF when you have A FF?

Sony now is wasting all of their development time and money on yet another new lens system in E FF.

What we really need Sony is the A99 for the A77 price, just add wifi and 120fs and maybe say 2.5k, then you have a you beaut camera for FF and Video

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Marvol
By Marvol (6 months ago)

"Why does one need E FF when you have A FF"

Simple: shorter flange distance allowing to adapt old lenses with an adaptor. And keeping cameras smaller.

It alos aligns internally with Sony's video cams which are on the E-mount already.

So actually Sony is economising development resources instead of wasting them.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (6 months ago)

Well if you remove the A-mount from the equation, its much more simple. Maybe that's exactly what Sony has planned.

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dpritchin
By dpritchin (6 months ago)

A great news for Konica Hexanon lens owners.

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

All 50 of them. lol

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Yxa
By Yxa (6 months ago)

Sony has gone the Olympus way
Olympus dumped the 4/3 for the m4/3
To cater for the 4/3 lenses they introduced an adapter to mount the 4/3 lenses on m4/3 cameras
=A-mount to E-mount
I'm glad I didn't choose the 4/3 or the A-mount
I have a Nikon FF that have backwards compatibility of lenses to at least 1972

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

I don't think you know what you're talking about. In case you didn't know, Nikon has done the same thing as Sony and Olympus with their Nikon 1 system: introduced mirrorless cameras with an adapter to mount Nikon F lenses. You have to have the adapter, because any mirrorless camera that wants to take advantage of the shorter lens registration distances that mirrorless offers will obviously need the adapter to position SLR lenses at the proper distance from the sensor! There's really not much point in offering a mirrorless camera with the *same* lens registration distance and body thickness as a DSLR.

I'm sure there will be a day some time in the future when Nikon, too, will offer a mirrorless FF camera of their own. And when they do, they'll offer an adapter for it. And just like Oly, Sony, and Canon, this adapter will offer backwards compatibility with their other lenses. After all, that is the point of the adapter: to provide backwards compatibility.

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

Meanwhile Sony releases 70-200 f/2.8, re-assures Amateur Photographer that they have no plans to dump A-mount, and prepares to release of A77 successor in first quarter of next year and low-end Full Frame in Q2-Q3 2014.

Yxa - your story doesn't make any sense when faced with facts. Even more so as Sony ALWAYS had adapters from LA-EA series, just like Nikon and Canon got adapters to their mirrorless.

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Yxa
By Yxa (6 months ago)

T3
but it's you that don't understand.
Nikon is not likely to kill F-mount because the 1-mount
Killing of the original mount (and customer support) that is what's happening here

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

@ Yxa - Now you really don't know what you are talking about! Please point us to the announcement that the A-mount is going to be killed off simply because of this new camera? You're delusional and just spreading a bunch of FUD because you're so insecure and protective of the status quo.

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ianimal
By ianimal (6 months ago)

A lens roadmap is what I want to see now.
85mm, 24mm primes when?

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The Lotus Eater
By The Lotus Eater (6 months ago)

http://www.sony.jp/ichigan/evolution/e_roadmap/images/roadmap_img_03.jpg

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

And what is written there? Too many Zeiss badges...

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

Nothing wrong with Zeiss badges ~ if you need a 36mp full frame camera, you need good lenses. Pretty pointless otherwise

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SETI
By SETI (6 months ago)

BANG!!! Still waiting for new Canon-M or Nikon One? =)

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

Yes. After all, the Sony A7 will now probably light a fire under Canon and Nikon's butts to hurry up and get serious about mirrorless. I think a lot of Canon and Nikon users would still prefer to stick with Canon and Nikon. We know their sensors, we know their menus, we have lenses that can be adapted to mirrorless bodies, we have flashes we can use (well, at least Canon's flashes are compatible with their mirrorless system; Nikonians are out of luck there). I'm still waiting for a more serious EOS M offering, but I do love that Sony is plowing ahead, breaking down barriers.

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BelePhotography
By BelePhotography (6 months ago)

so you offer a sports lens (70-200 G) but no mention of how fast the "pro" A7R really is. and I know no pro which will be happy with a lifetime of 340 shots. sorry sony. great concept, but not quite there yet. it is a step in the right direction - let's hope the big ones are watching!

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

The 70-200 is not necessarily a "sports" lens. It's also a lens widely used by wedding and portrait photographers, too, you know. Believe it or not, not all "pro" photographers are sports shooters.

As for 340 shots, this might be a shocker to you, but you can switch out the battery for a fresh one.

Very high volume shooters will probably want to stick with a DSLR. but for those of us who want to travel lighter, have a less conspicuous camera, or just want an alternative to bulky FF DSLR gear, the A7 looks like a great option.

Thank goodness a manufacturer is willing to think outside the box (or outside the mirror box, as it were). We have plenty of DSLRs already in the market. Kudos to Sony for putting out a compact FF ILC. This is as close to a digital version of my old Nikon FE2 35mm film SLR as any digital camera has ever gotten. Finally 35mm FF in a compact ILC body! Very nice.

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BelePhotography
By BelePhotography (6 months ago)

T3 - thanks - no news there to me. but my pocket cam does more than 340 shots. and even a wedding photographer will want more than that - constantly switching batteries is not an option. there's more missing than just that though. for a pro, there's a whole eco system needed and sorry, but sony is not there yet. they are however definitely moving in the right direction and I'm excited to see that.

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

Wedding photographer running with A7. Buahahahahah! Excellent joke man.

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

@BelePhotography - I don't think a camera like the A7 is aimed at the wedding photography market, LOL. That's like complaining that a Leica M9 is a terrible camera because Sports Illustrated sports photographers won't want to use it!

So let me get this straight: in a market where there are already plenty of big, bloated FF DSLR cameras to choose from, as soon as someone came out with a compact, slim, light FF ILC, all you can do is complain, whine, and moan? Sheesh, get some perspective, man! Variety in the marketplace is a wonderful thing! Appreciate it! The A7 is a 474 gram FF ILC camera costing less than $1700! It should be a street photographer's, travel photographer's, and landscape/hiking photographer's delight! And yet your response is simply to whine and moan simply because it may not be suited to *some* types of photography!? Well, guess what, the same can be said about the Leica M9 or Hasselblad H3D!

Also keep in mind that every ecosystem needs to start somewhere.

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

Also keep in mind that, for high volume shooters, Sony does offer a battery pack/vertical grip. If you need extend your shot volume, you certainly can do it with the addition of the vertical grip. So I don't think it's the doom and gloom you're making it out to be.

Plus, you obviously don't come from the film era of photography. This might be shocking for you to hear, but we used to have to change film every 36 shots! And as a wedding photographer shooting in those days, I can certainly tell you we all survived doing it. I definitely wouldn't want to go back to the days of changing film every 36 shots, but I could certainly live with switching out the battery every 300 shots or so, especially if it means I can carry around lighter camera equipment on wedding day! My 5D MKII weighs 900 grams with battery. The A7 only weighs 474 grams with battery. The MKII is 2X heavier!

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BelePhotography
By BelePhotography (6 months ago)

this might be shocking to you. I do come from the film era. wedding photographers back than had an assistant changing the film rols and a backup camera, yes. nowadays, very few people are happy to pay for a photographer requiring an assistant.
And I'm not complaining. If you read my post you'll see that I do compliment Sony for what they're currently doing to the market. I'm just saying Sony is not yet ready for prime time and it's just marketing callin the A7R a pro body.
As for the topic of wedding photographers, you keep pounding it. We now agree that the A7 is not for wedding photographers, it's not for sports photographers and it's certainly not for studio photographers. Travel photographers will complain about battery life. So please explain to me - which pro photographer is this camera aimed at.
The weight of the camera (we're talking 500g) is the last I worry about. Tripods and lights are heavy. That 70-200 will not be any less heavy than a Canon or Nikon 70-200 either.

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BelePhotography
By BelePhotography (6 months ago)

@T3 - as stated. Great concept. I hope Sony adds the ecosystem needed, i.e. add true flash system, adds the outputs and buttons needed to the camera instead of the "green" mode - and than we might have something that stirs the PRO market as well. For now it's really a prosumer product. Let's be frank about that at least. Amazing product for many consumers, not good enough for the bulk of the pros. That is all I'm saying. Not "this product sucks", as you seem to want to believe.

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BelePhotography
By BelePhotography (6 months ago)

In short - there's no short cut to greatness. And Sony is walking towards the top, but it's a step by step process and this is not yet the game changer. It's just a hint of where we are heading and I like that!

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David Stinson
By David Stinson (6 months ago)

so, a wedding photographer is only as good as the gear they carry?

If someone wants to shoot a wedding with APS-C or 4/3 they could and have produced work better than the typical Nikon or Canon FF shooters.

Talent wins out here.

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

An EVF and a full frame sensor uses batteries.
But plenty of pro wedding photographers shot with Hasselblad cameras with 12 frame backs. Swapping a battery Every 340 shots (that figure is with 50% shots using a built in flash - with an external flash it will be higher) is a lot easier than swapping film backs every 12. There is also an optional grip with extra batteries.

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shaunly
By shaunly (6 months ago)

looks like a real winner here. Good job Sony. The 7R seems great for landscape photographer like myself looking to save weight when we go backpacking. With a few right lenses, I may just sell the D800.

Can't wait for the test results!

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wlad
By wlad (6 months ago)

Yep. If this did not sound the alarms over at Canon & Nikon, they should prepare to be just a 3rd party lens producer in the future.

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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

Selling D800 for camera with... 4? uber-overpriced lenses. You can't possibly do anything more stupid, can you?

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groucher
By groucher (6 months ago)

If you're a landscape photographer who wants to save weight, dump the zooms and get a 35 or 50mm prime and a copy of PTGUI or similar. The D800 with a prime isn't too heavy and software weighs nothing.

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

@Plastek - I kind of think of the A7 as the poor man's Leica M9. If you want a lightweight, compact FF ILC, the A7 system is definitely a lot cheaper than Leica. The A7 is also half the weight of a D800 (about 400 grams lighter), and obviously a lot slimmer and more compact. I would much rather travel with something like an A7 than my 5D MKII, which is also about the same weight as a D800. As for "uber-overpriced lenses", the Zeiss 24-70mm f/4 OSS is $1199, but a Canon 24-70mm f/4L IS is $1499.

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DimensionSeven
By DimensionSeven (6 months ago)

I can't see your point. There's no wide angle lens for this system yet. The Sony 16-35f/2.8 is over 900gramms, and you'll be needing an adapter too.
A D800 and a 16-35VR would give you more IQ for about the same weight, A D600/610 would be even lighter overall...

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (6 months ago)

It's E-mount, so you can put E-mount to nikon adapter and use all your nikon lenses, albeit in manual focus peaking mode and aperture mode.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

Landscape photographer without a single UWA or WA lens wider than 35mm? ;)

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CFynn
By CFynn (6 months ago)

Plastek - we don't know if the lenses are "overpriced" until we see the IQ. Many of the cheaper lenses in Nikon's catalogue were designed in the days of film or 6mp DSLRs. The same is probably true of Canon. The best new full frame lenses from Nikon and Canon are not cheap.

Hopefully Sony and Zeiss have designed the new E-mount lenses for the 36mp sensor in the A7r - and beyond.

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Guy Howard
By Guy Howard (6 months ago)

The test result I am waiting for is the effect of the first curtain shutter on IQ at slower shutter speeds. Electronic 1st curtain shutter not available on A7r. Since shutter is capable of 1/8000, shutter can shake the camera more than a slower shutter.

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Rod McD
By Rod McD (6 months ago)

Finally here after so much anticipation....... High res FF IQ from a small, sealed digital camera with a decent built in EVF and weighing only 470gms. I can't envisage a better landscape/hiking/street/travel camera. Kudos to Sony. I'm going to have to start saving.

Major questions for me are : 1) legacy glass compatibility with DSLR WAs since there are no prime lenses yet wider than 35mm or longer than 55mm; 2) the native lens road map; and 3) the Australian price - I sincerely hope that it's comparable with the US prices quoted here......

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photogeek
By photogeek (6 months ago)

>> hope that it's comparable with the US prices quoted here.

But you know it'll be at least twice as much. Your government likes taxes and import duties way more than US government does.

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