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New image viewing options for forums

By dpreview staff on Jan 4, 2013 at 23:57 GMT

We know how important sharing images is to our forum users, so we're really pleased to launch the latest enhancement to our forum software. The screenshots below should explain what it does (and you can of course just play around with it yourselves). The key differences are related to how we deal with larger images.

Images within posts are presented exactly as they before. If the original image is smaller than 560 pixels we'll use the original size, if it's larger we'll scale it down. Click on an image to launch the new viewer.
The image will now open in the new viewer, which fills the current window. Again we'll only downsize images that are larger than your browser window - we don't upscale.
If there's more than one image in the post, use the overlaid arrows (or left and right arrow keys) to cycle through them. There are two viewing options. The image will open in 'fit to screen' mode. Click on '1:1 View 100%' to see the original, pixel-for-pixel.
At the bottom right hand corner of the window you'll see the current scaling. 100% means no scaling (the original pixels). When you're viewing at any scale smaller than 100% you can activate the loupe tool.
The loupe displays pixel-for-pixel 100% view of the original image. You can click anywhere in the image or just drag the window around.

To get out of the image viewer click outside the window, click the close box (top right) or just press escape.

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tri x
By tri x (Jan 5, 2013)

Nice one guys!!

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JoeR
By JoeR (Jan 5, 2013)

I like it!

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Jan 5, 2013)

The 100% view works like a charm ! The loupe view looks fancier but is quite useless in comparison. Why look through a window (that doesn't even reach the corners) when you can use your whole screen.

Instead of a loupe, why not invert the principle by putting a little navigator in the corner when using the 100% view.

Anyway. Super great forum improvement.

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Buhl213
By Buhl213 (Jan 5, 2013)

Nice - but when I view in 1:1, I can only move the scrollbars behind the picture, the image itself is stuck in left-hand corner :-(

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Buhl213
By Buhl213 (Jan 5, 2013)

Hmm ... ignore that. Actually I can.

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WT21
By WT21 (Jan 5, 2013)

Very nicely done. Bravo!

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baobob
By baobob (Jan 5, 2013)

A great and much appreciated upgrade of the viewing system
Bravo!

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Deleted pending purge
By Deleted pending purge (Jan 5, 2013)

One useful tool. Thanks!

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mikusa
By mikusa (Jan 5, 2013)

Nice update.

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Sunshine_boy
By Sunshine_boy (Jan 5, 2013)

Well Done DPR
Image on-screen manipulation is pretty hard but I think you've done an excellent optimal job.
Keep it up
and a Happy New Year to all of you

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Sweets
By Sweets (Jan 5, 2013)

Many thanks for the update and ... nice done...! :-)

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GPapa
By GPapa (Jan 5, 2013)

Fit to Screen and 100% works well for moderately sized images, but is not so good when the image is as large as the files that come out of current DSLR cameras.

Since there is room on the menu bar, perhaps have options for Fit to Screen, 25%, 50%, 100%

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papparazzi
By papparazzi (Jan 5, 2013)

Fantastic news! Thank you!!!

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RoelHendrickx
By RoelHendrickx (Jan 5, 2013)

This sounds really good.
I hope it works as well.
I'll try it out on posts by others and my own (always image-related).
Does the new system apply to older posts too?
What I DO NOT like is the very clearly labeled option to "DOWNLOAD ORIGINAL", as a default option.
What if I only want to SHOW images in a forum post, but not allow other forum members to download my images?
I believe this should be up to the image-poster to decide, whether or not he allows downloading (just like on eg Zenfolio).
If not, I will limit image posting to small versions with a clear watermark.
Roel

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Ray Sachs
By Ray Sachs (Jan 5, 2013)

It does not appear to work on older posts with linked images. But works well with new ones, even linked from photo-hosting sites like Flickr. Even full resolution images...

The thing I can't tell is whether anyone can download your shots if you don't allow downloads from within the hosting site. I have Flickr set to disable downloads of my stuff but of course I can download them, being the account holder. I just tried to download through the DPR page and it was set to allow me to, but I don't know if it would have for someone it didn't recognize as me...

I'd love to link generally larger images in the future, but I won't do it if the new system circumvents the protections I have built into Flickr and allows full downloads to anyone other than me...

-Ray

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HansJN
By HansJN (Jan 5, 2013)

Websites simply cannot control whether an image is transferred to the browser for viewing or for downloading, that's a decision that's purely up to the browser. If you don't want others to download your images, your only option is not to post them to the internet.

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Ray Sachs
By Ray Sachs (Jan 5, 2013)

Good to know Hans - thanks. Flickr has done a good job in the past of prohibiting downloads when I've tried to do it from a friend's computer, but maybe there were ways to circumvent that then too? In any case, once DPR goes out and grabs the image from Flickr (on my instruction, obviously) I guess its fully available for anyone. Good to know....

Edit - Just dove back into my Flickr privacy settings and they've changed their language to make clear that by limiting dowloads you're really only "discouraging" them for the exact reason you state. So I guess I need to limit the size of the images I upload if I don't want to allow full-res downloads. Or get into watermarking, which I hate with a passion...

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RoelHendrickx
By RoelHendrickx (Jan 5, 2013)

On Zenfolio, I have downloading possibilities limited. Sure, viewers can make screen-grabs (unavoidable), but downloading the actual file is disabled.
Now of course when I embed an image on DPR, the version/size that I allow to be embedded, is transferred for viewing to DPR, in order to allow viewing without further traffic over Zenfolio, and even when Zenfolio is down.
I understand and accept that.
But there is a difference to transferring a version of an image to a site (DPR) for viewing, and allowing that next site to make the image available for anyone for whatever purpose that next downloader may have in mind.
I have a relationship with DPR and I would trust them to for instance not use a photo of my daughter on a dating site, but I would like them to not allow other users (or any random viewer) to do stuff like that.
At least, that's my opinion.
DPR should let the member decide about downloading his images or not (in general or for any individual shot).
Roel

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Ray Sachs
By Ray Sachs (Jan 5, 2013)

Roel, agreed. I'd be more apt to use this new feature to post larger versions than I previously had if I had the option to enable or disable downloads (or at least make it more difficult). As is, I'll probably continue to link fairly limited size images.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 6, 2013)

If you share the image in the forums and I load that image into my browser, my computer already has a copy of that image. The "Download Original" button is just making that easier. They can just as easily look in the source code and find that image and save it to their hard drive.

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Delacosta
By Delacosta (Jan 7, 2013)

Roel wrote:

"I have a relationship with DPR and I would trust them to for instance not use a photo of my daughter on a dating site, but I would like them to not allow other users (or any random viewer) to do stuff like that."

Without wishing to be rude in any way, I think people need to start realising that anything uploaded to the internet is simply free for anyone to grab. If you don't want private images abused or stolen do not upload them or store them on network devices. This is especially important with images of your family. People place far too much responsibility in the hands of third parties for their own privacy and protection. No-one else can protect you.

Sorry about being such a wet blanket, but honestly....

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RoelHendrickx
By RoelHendrickx (Jan 7, 2013)

I understand.
If a person has bad intentions, sure, they can go ahead and do nasty stuff.
But the point of the whole discussion is that DPR should not be seen as encouraging that.

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skimble
By skimble (Jan 5, 2013)

Thumbs up, I like it ;-)

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Thanatham Piriyakarnjanakul

Arrrghhh~!!! The Cyclop is very scary. :D

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jf_tea
By jf_tea (Jan 5, 2013)

Excellent !
i've tried it and it seems to work very well.

DPR is full of informations, and, stimulating.
On some quiet days, I wish you had some new articles and news, but, it must be a lot of work already to keep up with the flow of changes.
Please continue your excellent work.

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Ron Poelman
By Ron Poelman (Jan 5, 2013)

hmmm, not working here.
(First click on image does nothing)
Firefox with Adblock.
Do we need to enable something ?

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Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (Jan 5, 2013)

disable adblock, even I had similar problem.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 5, 2013)

Not quite sure how Adblock recognizes and handles screen-covering pop-overs, but the viewer is quite basic JavaScript.

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Ron Poelman
By Ron Poelman (Jan 5, 2013)

Thanks Richard.
Still not working on my own posts
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50466738,
but works OK on the above samples and on Simon's Test Forum Thread.
Is it fully deployed yet or not ?

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Sunshine_boy
By Sunshine_boy (Jan 5, 2013)

Latest FF + Adblock enabled here
No problems at all with viewing images, old and new

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Ron Poelman
By Ron Poelman (Jan 5, 2013)

Thank you for that.
Adblock on or off makes no difference it seems.
Could I ask a favour and get you to check the link I listed above ?

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 6, 2013)

Ron, you're right. It's not working. There were some behind the scene changes with regards to embedded gallery images; I ran a script and thought I caught everything. I'll rerun it on Monday and it should be working. In the meantime, if you insert the same gallery images into a new post, you should see the new viewer without any problems.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jan 5, 2013)

Nice! very happy to see this!

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Zamac
By Zamac (Jan 5, 2013)

It would be nice if you could include the lens information from Exif 2.3 when it is available.

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Hank3152
By Hank3152 (Jan 5, 2013)

Bugs worked out yet? On multiple displays the left/right arrows blink and are hesitant to advance to the next pic.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 5, 2013)

Can you provide an example link and include your browser and operating system? I haven't seen that happening.

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Hank3152
By Hank3152 (Jan 5, 2013)

I'm using IE9 with Windows7. The arrows flicker/blink when the cursor is near and disappear when the cursor hovers atop of them but then appear about 10-20 secs later.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50574511

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nzmacro
By nzmacro (Jan 5, 2013)

Does that in IE8 here as well. Looks good and nice layout. Just those arrows don't seem to want to click. They work with a double click though, still flash on and off.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 6, 2013)

Internet Explorer! shakes fist Yeah, I see it now. It has something to do with how IE detects when the cursor is over the button.. I will look into that. In the meantime, the left/right arrow keys work for navigation.

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nzmacro
By nzmacro (Jan 7, 2013)

Thanks Richard. Its not that big a deal mate. Double clicking works on those arrows anyway. Must say, darn nice job !!. Very impressed with it after all these years.

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Leo
By Leo (Jan 5, 2013)

My first reaction at the New page was ... Not Again :-) However, when opened and read to the end => I LIKE the update! Thank you.
Leo

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Jan 5, 2013)

Re-edited after further testing:

Well done for a nice implementation, and especially well done for considering iPad usage. Not what you'd call an optimized iPad experience, but at least it's easy to work with the main features.

The 100% view has no immediately obvious way of moving around the full size image. But at least the download link lets the image be saved to the iPad so it can then be viewed with more optimized software (providing the image uploader has allowed this).

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 5, 2013)

I'll need to ask the boss for an iPad... for testing. But yes, we'll look into the little optimizations for tablets.

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Jan 5, 2013)

When clicking on the image, the default should be 1:1 view. JMO.

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Makinations
By Makinations (Jan 5, 2013)

Please no. Fit to screen is a nice way point.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (Jan 5, 2013)

I agree with makinations

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Jan 5, 2013)

Sigh.

Used to be you didn't even have to click to get 1:1 view. It was in-line. That's how I want it, but I was compromising that we could get there with a click.

This makes it nearly useless to put a series of 1:1 images in-line with comments since you can't see the comments and the 1:1 views at the same time unless they are all under 560 pixels wide, and you need three clicks per image to see the in-line and 1:1s (click, click for 1:1, click to close, rinse, repeat).

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Jan 5, 2013)

Captions inserted during the posting process are added to the bottom-left...

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Johan Borg
By Johan Borg (Jan 5, 2013)

How about remembering the last choice in a cookie? If the user had enabled EXIF overlay or 1:1 view for the previous image, why not just do that for the next?

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Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Jan 5, 2013)

Richard,

Take a look at the thread below for the functionality I regularly use. Keep in mind, when this was posted, all images were 1:1 in-line.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/16107908

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Jambsi
By Jambsi (Jan 5, 2013)

Thx, good on ya'

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ayt
By ayt (Jan 5, 2013)

does this improve upon the image resizing / size-reducing algorithms? I've noticed lately that certain downsized images are very poorly processed and at first glance the photos appear to be terrible. only by observing the original that the poster used can I get a glimpse of what was actually presented.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Jan 5, 2013)

no, but it offers a simpler way to see the untouched image at the original size

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Underdog 3000
By Underdog 3000 (Jan 5, 2013)

U guys are always a step ahead. That's why I go to you first - nice hoodie where did you get it?
By the way whats the results on the G5? Need a new camcorder/PnS

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pentaxfun
By pentaxfun (Jan 5, 2013)

Hey dpreview, first off just wanted to say I'm a big fan, and that this has been my favorite photography-related website on the net for several years now. That said, one upgrade that I think would be pretty cool would be if we could search images in The Challenges section by camera model. So like, have it display all photos in the entire Challenges section, but only ones taken by the camera you select it to filter for. Not sure if that could also be done for the forums photos as well, but if so, then there as well I guess, although I think having this feature in the Challenges section would be more urgent by comparison. Also, filtering by lens would be cool, but that would probably be more difficult and less urgent by comparison. So yea, basically the ability to filter photos in the Challenges section by camera model, in my opinion, would be really great. Any chance this might be coming in the near future?

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duartix
By duartix (Jan 5, 2013)

The loupe isn't all that useful if it has to load/buffer the full image before showing anything. Either you develop it to work as fast as the "comparometer" in the reviews or you have wasted your resources on something that falls behind the 1:1 view in every aspect.

Thanks for the rest of all the work. It's very useful.

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wStudios
By wStudios (Jan 5, 2013)

This is cool, but mobile forums is what I really need. Like many other people I only visit this site on my phone.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Jan 5, 2013)

Those are coming soon.

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S.A.
By S.A. (Jan 6, 2013)

Seems odd for someone to ONLY visit a photography site with a phone. Looking at images on a phone screen seems pointless.

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Jan 5, 2013)

This is to work only with forum threads and not news stories or reviews?

Please post a link to a forum thread that uses this new system; the images in this news story aren't examples of the new viewer itself, but simply static images of what it should look like.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Jan 5, 2013)

I'm slightly confused. Yes this new forum image viewer is only for forums. It works in any forum post that has images. Here's the thread i created to make those screenshots http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50595673

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gigabloke
By gigabloke (Jan 5, 2013)

I look forward to evaluating Canon 1DX images with the new tool. Btw, where is the 1DX review..?

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gulffish
By gulffish (Jan 5, 2013)

Nice upgrade to viewing options, well done!

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (Jan 5, 2013)

Looks flashy...without flash! :-P

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BobYIL
By BobYIL (Jan 5, 2013)

Very useful for evaluating pictures better than before.

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DFPanno
By DFPanno (Jan 5, 2013)

yeah; cool.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (Jan 5, 2013)

You mean idiots might finally stop complaining about seeing photographs on a photography forum?

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sebastian huvenaars
By sebastian huvenaars (Jan 5, 2013)

cool :)

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