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Samsung announces NX300 - 3D-capable 20MP mirrorless camera

By dpreview staff on Jan 3, 2013 at 18:30 GMT

Samsung has announced the NX300 - the latest in its NX series of APS-C mirrorless cameras. The NX300 looks a lot like its predecessors, the NX200 and 210, but it includes a series of updates that show signs of ever-greater integration between the company's cameras and its smartphones. The NX300 is built around a 20MP sensor that includes phase-detection focus elements to allow a Hybrid AF system for faster focusing. It gains a larger screen than previous NXs - the 3.3" OLED screen has 768k dots (essentially an extended version of the existing screen) - it's also touch-sensitive. A faster processor helps the NX300 hit nine frames-per-second for continuous shooting, and allows 1080p movies to be shot at 60fps. Upgrades to the camera's Wi-Fi should make connectivity simpler than its predecessors.

Further details:

Overall the NX represents a fairly major upgrade for the NX series with virtually all the camera's major systems being upgraded or overhauled. The most obvious change to the camera is the addition of a larger, tilting, touch-sensitive rear screen. It's still an OLED panel using Samsung's PenTile technology to give 800 x 480 pixel resolution using 768k dots (rather than the 640 x 480 offered in previous NXs).

On the connectivity front, Samsung promises that the camera's Wi-Fi will be easier to pair with external devices - something necessary if the process is going to become something that people are willing to use regularly. This ambition helped by a new app incorporating all the features previously split across two. It also gains an auto-share mode in which it'll re-connect to your smartphone and copy every shot you take across. The NX300 also becomes the first camera to offer dual-channel Wi-Fi - a feature starting to appear on laptops and smartphones that allows faster downloads.

But the NX300 promises to be more than an NX210 that's been speaking to the company's smartphone department. The core photographic and videographic features have also been given a boost. The on-chip phase-detection sensors allow a Hybrid AF approach that combines with the existing contrast-detection design to promise faster focusing (as usual, the degree of improvement will be lens-dependent, but Samsung promises quicker focus with all lenses). A faster processor, dubbed DRIMe IV, allows 8.6 fps continuous shooting and 1080p60 movie capture. The NX300 can also shoot with shutter speeds as fast as 1/6000th of a second. The NX300 will cost around $749.99.

In what has become typical Samsung fashion, cameras have not been made available for preview, nor have we had an opportunity to gain hands-on experience with it, so we can only report that spec changes Samsung has made. We will publish some first impressions when we get to handle it at CES next week.

3D lens

Samsung has also launched a 3D-capable version of its 45mm F1.8 NX lens. The 3D version can be used as a conventional lens but also has two LCD screens that scissor down into the optical path when you engage 3D mode. These two screens take turns to black-out their respective sides of the lens, meaning a slightly different image is projected onto the camera's sensor. The NX300 can capture and combine these alternating frames to create either 3D movies or stills.

Samsung says the feature cannot be extended to earlier NX models. The 3D version of the lens will cost around $499, rather than the $299 of the conventional version.


Press Release:

Samsung NX300 Combines Speed, Performance and Connectivity for Perfect Shooting in Every Moment

Samsung 45mm F1.8 2D/3D lens is the World’s first one-lens 3D system, capable of capturing both stills and 1080p Full HD video in perfect 3D quality

RIDGEFIELD PARK, N.J. – January 3, 2013 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd, a global leader in digital media and convergence technologies, today announced the launch of the NX300, the new flagship model in its successful NX series. The NX300 once again raises the bar for compact system cameras (CSC), delivering an outstanding combination of features, functionality and style for perfect shooting in every moment. Samsung also announced the new NX 45mm F1.8 2D/3D lens, the first one-lens 3D system capable of capturing both still images and full HD movies in perfect 3D quality.

Myoung Sup Han, Senior Vice President and Head of the Digital Imaging Business, Samsung Electronics, commented: “Since its launch in 2010, the Samsung NX System has become synonymous with innovation and design, making the best digital imaging technology available to everyone without compromising on style. The NX300 builds even further on this illustrious heritage. Not only does it deliver incredible speed and accuracy through advanced photographic features, but it is truly built around the user, with upgraded SMART Camera functions making shooting and sharing both easy and seamless. We are also very proud to introduce the first one-lens 3D system alongside the NX300, opening up a whole new world of 3D photography and video recording for consumers everywhere.”

Perfect shooting

Central to the NX300’s outstanding imaging performance is its brand new 20.3 Megapixel APS-CMOS sensor, capable of capturing high quality detailed. Images boast sharp, life-like colors and are crisp and clear in all light conditions. The wide ISO range (ISO100-25600) further improves performance, letting users capture beautifully balanced images in even the darkest conditions. A brand new Hybrid Auto Focus (AF) system also delivers fast, accurate phase and contrast detection, while the 1/6000 sec shutter speed and 9fps continuous shooting mode ensure you never miss a moment.

The Samsung’s unique in-house developed DRIMe IV imaging engine provides outstanding developments in speed, and image quality. The DRIMe IV engine enables better color reproduction and greater noise reduction, as well as support for full 1080p HD video capture in both 2D and 3D (when combined with Samsung’s new 45mm 2D/3D lens).

The NX300’s 84mm (3.31”) AMOLED screen makes capturing and reviewing your images a pleasure, while the hybrid touch screen and 5-way manual key interface is simple and intuitive to use. The tilt display makes it easier than ever to take high and low angle shots, letting you capture your world from any angle you choose.

Easy usability and stylish retro design

The compact NX300 makes it simple for anyone to achieve pro-like and impressive pictures easily with minimal technical knowledge or time spent adjusting parameters. Using the camera’s Smart Mode, users can choose from 14 different settings, such as Creative Shot, Landscape, Light Trace or Action Freeze which will automatically adjust parameters such as aperture and shutter speed in order to obtain the best shot possible for the desired situation. The NX300 also includes i-Depth, an easy and simple way to adjust the depth of an image using the NX Series’ unique i-Function system which enables users to modify camera parameters using the lens itself, adjusting the image without ever having to move off target.

The NX acclaimed design returns with the NX300 sporting a stylish yet simple retro feel that is available in either black or white with a contrast silver band, conveying elegance and authenticity.

Instant sharing through enhanced Wi-Fi connectivity

The NX300’s Wi-Fi connectivity of SMART CAMERA allows users to share their cherished photos instantly and securely between their camera and smartphone (or tablet). To connect a smartphone to the camera, users simply need to download the Samsung SMART CAMERA App., which is available for both Android and iOS based application markets, onto their smartphone or tablet and follow the easy steps to create a secure connection with the camera. The NX300 will be able to detect and auto-connect to the smartphone wirelessly whenever any of the SMART CAMERA features are activated. These include AutoShare; which automatically sends every high-quality photos to your smart phone for safe keeping, and Mobile Link; which allows users to select and transfer images or album from the camera directly to your smartphone at their leisure. The SMART CAMERA App. also features a Remote Viewfinder function for the NX300, allowing for even more inventive and exciting photography.

The NX300’s enhanced Wi-Fi connectivity also lets users share images with friends and family directly from the camera via social networking sites using the cameras one-touch DIRECT LINK hot key. Alternatively, images can be automatically backed up or stored in the cloud through AllShare Play ensuring they are always safe and easily accessible.

Samsung 45mm 2D/3D lens

The Samsung 45mm 2D/3D lens(sold separately) opens up an exciting world of 3D imaging possibilities and is the world’s first one-lens 3D system for a consumer camera. Capable of capturing both still pictures and full 1080p HD video, the Samsung NX300 and 45mm 2D/3D lens kit have become the only compact system camera supporting both 3D still and 3D movie. The NX300 is also compatible with Samsung’s entire range of NX lenses and professional standard accessories, giving users an unparalleled range of options when striving for that perfect shot.

Please visit our booth to experience this future technology firsthand. Samsung's product line will be displayed January 8-11 at booth #12004 in the Central Hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center.
Full details, video content and product images are available at the Samsung microsite at: http://www.samsungces.com/ or mobile site at: http://m.samsungces.com as well.
The Samsung press conference and Samsung Tomorrow TV CES 2013 Specials will be streamed live on the Samsung Tomorrow blog at: http://global.samsungtomorrow.com and Samsung's microsite site also.
After the live presentations, videos will be available at http://youtube.com/SamsungTomorrow

Samsung NX300 specifications

Price
MSRP$749 (with 20-50mm), $799 (with 18-55mm lens)
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5472 x 3648
Other resolutions5472 x 3080, 5472 x 3080, 3888 x 2592, 3712 x 2088, 3648 x 3648, 2976 x 1984, 2944 x 1656, 2640 x 2640, 2688 x 1512, 2000 x 2000, 1728 x 1152, 1920 x 1080, 1024 x 1024
Image ratio w:h1:1, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels20 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors22 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.5 x 15.7 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDRIMe IV
Color spacesRGB, AdobeRGB
Color filter arrayPrimary color filter
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800, 25600
White balance presets7
Custom white balanceYes
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsSuperfine, fine, normal
Image parameters
  • Color, saturation, sharpness, contrast
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Multi-area
  • Selective single-point
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Touch
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (2X)
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points247
Lens mountSamsung NX
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDTilting
Screen size3.3
Screen dots768,000
Touch screenYes
Screen typeActive Matrix OLED screen
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/6000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Smart Auto
  • Program
  • Aperture priority
  • Shutter priority
  • Manual
  • Lens priority
  • Smart mode
  • Wi-Fi
Built-in flashNo
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Fill-in, 1st/2nd Curtain, Smart Flash, Manual
Flash X sync speed1/180 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Burst
  • Self-timer
  • AE bracketing
  • WB bracketing
  • Picture Wizard bracketing
Continuous drive9 fps
Self-timerYes (2 sec to 30 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 2/3 EV, 1 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes (3 frames in amber-blue or magenta-green direction)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080, 1280 x 720, 640 x 480, 320 x 240
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes
WirelessBuilt-In
Wireless notesDual band 802.11 b/g/n
Remote controlYes (via smarphone)
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion BP1130 battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)330
Weight (inc. batteries)331 g (0.73 lb / 11.68 oz)
Dimensions122 x 64 x 41 mm (4.8 x 2.52 x 1.61)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingNo
GPSOptional
GPS notesGPS10

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Total comments: 442
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ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (Jan 4, 2013)

on paper, it looks really promising...and stylish also....if this cam doesn't have a serious problem, that'll be a good contribution to the competition...nice job Samsung,,,keep going..

13 upvotes
Mike Ronesia
By Mike Ronesia (Jan 4, 2013)

I agree, looks like a nice if it lives up to the specs.

0 upvotes
gl2k
By gl2k (Jan 4, 2013)

On paper all these new cameras look great. But in real life more often than not these little gems reveal some quirks and shortcomings.
Mostly it's the hesitating and/or imprecise AF. Sometimes a grainy & dark EVF, ... and so on.
That said ... only thorough testing will proof if real data meets the specs.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

The EVF on the NX20 is very very good.

And the low resolution EVF for the NX100 is neither dark nor grainy, and doesn't lag either.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

Indeed the EVF on the NX5-10-11 was deficient, but the one on the NX20 is SUPERB.

@RAW, did you mean nx10?

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits,

No I own the detachable EVF for the NX100, and it is low resolution but not lag prone, not grainy and not dark.

Perhaps it is the same gear as the builtin variation on the NX10.

0 upvotes
jc52e53
By jc52e53 (Jan 4, 2013)

This camera seems interesting. The specs on Samsung always get better and better. I would like it if it had an EV, but one can learn to shoot without it. The lenses seem pretty good. Outside of the Zeiss lens, they are better than NEX lenses. More lenses than Fuji although Fuji glass is better. Samsung now needs to solve the buffer problem and noise problem. If they have, this may be quite a descent little camera.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Not sure Fuji glass is always better than the Samsung lenses, eg the 1.4 85mm NX lens.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

@RAW: I would have liked to see a larger version of the 30mm f2 - something more like legacy lenses, with f1.4 - something with bigger glass on the input side and with OIS too. Or a 45mm f1.4 that would make a good portrait lens. The 85mm is 128mm equivalent - you practically need a warehouse space to take glamour shots with it.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits,

Yes, but a 1.4 30mm would be bigger, you can always get a Nikon mount Zeiss and use an adapter. And spend a good bit more for that 28mm 1.4, while not getting much better colour.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Correction, you'd need an F1.4 20mm Zeiss for a 35mm film camera to do what you want.

$300 seems better than $3000.

0 upvotes
starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 4, 2013)

Wow...too much of "this is a poor camera even I've never touched it" here.
Kind of pathetic, even more since I was in the past an adopter of the first NX10...which was an excellent camera in every point: lenses lineup, reliability, ergonomics.
The only problem for chart geeks was the lack of high iso performance...which was adressed by a new sensor some time ago and which is now simply brilliant.
It is brilliant at base iso and just "slightly' behind the Sony one at high iso, which is praised worldwide ! That is something if you know that this is just the first 100% Samsung made sensor...
This Samsung lineup is just the best kept-secret of mirrorless photography. The only reason I quit the system was to switch to Leica for a complete different kind of camera.

9 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 4, 2013)

I'm sorry, but a lack of an EVF is also a "problem".

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

You are so right!
And I don't get the cheapskates who want everything for free, don't want to get a NX20/NX30, and criticize this model for not having an EVF. IF YOU WANT AN EVF BUY THE NX20/NX30 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! STOP CRITICIZING THE MODEL YOU DON'T WANT. IT'S JUST FINE FOR OTHER PEOPLE! THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE DIFFERENT MODELS!!!

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ryback
By ryback (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits: Calm down. I own an NX100 with the optional EVF and flash. The thing I like about the camera is the fact that it's modular. If I want a point and shoot with excellent performance snap on the 30mm,f/2 and slip it into my pocket. If I want all the bells and whistles I bring my camerabag with lenses, EVF, flash etc.

The lack of EVF connector is actually a set back. I didn't expect one, as it hasn't been present since the NX100. But that didn't stop me from hoping.

Sure, I could go for the NX30, but then I loose the portability. I want my cake and eat it too!

1 upvote
Infared
By Infared (Jan 4, 2013)

No viewfinder. No camera.

1 upvote
Najinsky
By Najinsky (Jan 4, 2013)

The NX have great potential, the bodies are well designed, the lens range is pretty decent and continues to improve.

But the IQ is seriously lagging behind the competition. I appreciate that for many shooters with modest publishing requirements (Computer, TV, Internet, Small prints) the IQ is good enough (and don't confuse IQ with nice pictures, which any camera can take) but really, in comparison to the competition, the IQ is really quite poor.

Don't take my word for it. Just pull up the NX210 review, go to raw image test scene and compare the NX200 @ ISO 400 with OM-D EM5, NEX-5N and NX200. Despite the huge raw files, there is noticeably less resolution.

Here's a screen dump if you don't want to go to the review section:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4910244932/download/2379009

There's a lot I like about the NXnn models but until the IQ can can match the competition, the report card is going to have to read: "Must try harder, C-".

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

It looks like it is out of focus or something is definitely wrong there! I can't believe it could be so bad - mine does much better than that. Maybe this needs to be retested...

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emircruz
By emircruz (Jan 4, 2013)

Maybe its the lens? Is this in the corner? I think m4/3 cameras were tested with the 4/3 50mm f2 which is insanely sharp. Not sure if the NEX were tested with Alpha lenses tho.

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ashwins
By ashwins (Jan 4, 2013)

"But the IQ is seriously lagging behind the competition."

Good Lord! I can see that you have never owned any NX cameras.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 4, 2013)

I noticed the same thing when comparing Samsung TL-500 and the newer model (forget the name) to other serious compacts. The resolution was just horrible.

I wanted to like Samsung cameras, I really did. I still do.

Someone commented yesterday that raw is decent on these cameras. Unfortunately, my days of hours with raw photos are over. I usually shoot raw + jpeg, but prefer to leave raw alone if at all possible. A jpeg engine that nails it is a seriously important feature.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Najinsky:

Get Samsung NX raws shot with a good Samsung lens and do your own extraction in ACR. IQ is very good.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

The more I analyse the test pic, the more I'm convinced there was either camera shae or it was simply out of focus.
Can DPR check to see if with focus assist on, versus manual focus, what the best pic is that they can get?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

@DPR: I found proof that it may be worthwhile re-examining your test shots from the NX210.

Compare these two shots:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx20/FULLRES/NX20hSLI00100NR1D.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/omd-em5/FULLRES/EM5hSLI00200NR2D.HTM
Samsung shows the detail in the salt where omd5 does not, some fine print is more readable, the wheel with print is sharper.
This is exactly the opposite of DPR's pics that make the Samsung appear blurry in comparison to MFT.

Surely DPR did not do this intentionally, and would like to rectify their mistake.

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Najinsky
By Najinsky (Jan 4, 2013)

@ashwins

Correct. I have owned 6 MILCs and the only ones that stuck were the Ricoh GXR with A12 50mm and the Olympus OM-D EM-5 (using good lenses).

I have not owned NX cameras because the review sites I trust show NX cameras have lower IQ from ISO 400 upwards.

I'm sorry, but any league table has a top, a middle and a bottom, regardless of how small the differences seem. I just review the information available.

No offence intended, but people are very subjective in their opinions, which is why I find objective review sites to be a more reliable benchmark (though not infallible).

I avoided getting the OM-D for 5 months, waiting for the NX20 to compare it with. It was finally (re) released and I got my hands on it in a local camera store. Both the review site reports and my own hands on confirmed for me it was yet another near miss.

But I'll be looking out for how this new one scores in the IQ stakes, with one eye on a future NX30 that perhaps finally comes good.

1 upvote
the reason
By the reason (Jan 5, 2013)

timmbits, even in the links you posted the samsung shows a severe green cast and a thin "haze" i hate so much (lack of contrast?) and these are jpegs too, i trust RAW files more. I get youre into the system and defending it to death, but most of what has been said is true. Sony's system is better and even if half the world doesnt care to admit it; m4/3s has also gone past it. They have all the lenses you could want, in 35mm focal lenghts equivalencies that make sense (45x1.5 is like 67.5mm) and with the new sensors theres nothing to envy from APS C. My "sitting on a shelf" NX20 doesnt hold a candle to either my em5 or the GH3, if reselling prices werent so insulting Id get rid of it. Ill probably get a million hate replies from this, being where we are, but the conclusion was made using my own eyes, in real use there no arguing with the results.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 4, 2013)

This camera looks so good and its screen is a real improvement. But it lacks an EVF as an option, which is essential for serious composing!

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 4, 2013)

You are correct, my friend. It needs an EVF. I moved from Oly to Panasonic (pre-E-M5) for exactly that reason. At one time Oly offered zero models with a built-in EVF. A serious mistake if you want to appeal to enthusiasts.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (Jan 4, 2013)

It is a pity they did not just leave the capability to put the EVF10 on. It was not exactly the height of resolution but it was far better than the NX100's screen in sunlight and perfectly useable. I hope these new crop of NX's have better screens as I have found that OLED screens are worse outdoors than LCD's and that includes the Olympus XZ-1. I can see some logic in their approach as dropping the accessory port saves money and they do do a viewfinder option camera and for many people it is not an issue but it does rather restrict your options.

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Revenant
By Revenant (Jan 4, 2013)

But Samsung does have an EVF in their top-of-the-line model. ;-)

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Bryan M
By Bryan M (Jan 4, 2013)

I have used a non-evf camera for sometime and don't recall ever being in a situation that kept me from making a good composition. The one exception that does come to mind is having the camera in a position where I could not see the display. The nx300 will give me more options and I like that.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 4, 2013)

@Bryan M

Of course, whatever works for you, go for it. But you won't convince ME (neither will Samsung) that I don't need an EVF, and I'm probably not the only one. I own compacts with no EVF, and I make the back screen work, but I much prefer the EVF and certainly would expect one at this price point. Anyway, happy shooting with what works for you.

@Revenant

Yes, but m43 have them at a lower price point. Heck, if you go used, you can find G1, G2, etc. on ebay at $200-$300 (less sometimes). It's like buying a viewfinder with a free camera thrown in. IQ is great. I've shot both G1 and G2.

Not everybody cares, but some of us like to have an EVF.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

"Heck, if you go used, you can find G1, G2, etc. on ebay at $200-$300"

Actually, G3 is $249 new right now. 16 mpix and all. Don't have to go to the ancients.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 7, 2013)

Bryan M: The articulated screen of the new NX is surely a very useful thing. It allows you to shoot pictures from waist level or ground level. And maybe many photographers don't need an additional finder. But I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to concentrate on the picture with so many things around distracting me. In an EVF (or an SLR finder) you see just the picture you are busy with - nothing more and nothing less.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 7, 2013)

@ Revenant
You're right! But I don't like the SLR style of the NX20 (or the even better OLY OMD-E-M5). As a lefteye photographer I would be pressing my nose against the rear screen looking through the built-in EVF. I guess a camera with an EVF put on the top plate would match my needs more.

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Cal22
By Cal22 (Jan 7, 2013)

In order to explain my view: I made my experience as a photographer in the film era, had exhibitions, but had to finish because of massive health problems. A few years ago I learned accidentally what had caused me my fierce headaches in former years. My bulky SLRs with heavy Zeiss lenses hanging around my neck had pressed a nerve or influenced the bloodflow to the brain. I have been considering quite a while now whether to start once again with a small and lightweight mirrorless camera.

Although all my cameras had a motordrive I had not been a fast shooter. On the contrary, finding out a good composition had always been a challenge to me making me hold the camera to the eye, moving to and fro, until at the end I took my picture or didn't if I wasn't satisfied with the scene. That's why I've been looking for a mirrorless camera with an EVF as an option. I've got absolutely no experience with such cameras and I'm afraid that without an EVF I couldn't photograph the way I used to do.

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jquagga
By jquagga (Jan 4, 2013)

Hmm, spec wise I like it. All my photos are "superfine"!

However I think Samsung has to put some work in the marketing department. I can't go 10 feet without tripping over some article / ad for a NEX or OM-D and yet these camera which appear competitive are somewhat forgotten.

And dpreview needs to get a pre-release version to play around with before hand to do a preview. They're hurting themselves by only getting a press release out. That's tiny compared to a full preview.

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JaFO
By JaFO (Jan 4, 2013)

you've seen advertising for the OM-D ?
If I hadn't seen this site I wouldn't have known it existed.

I've seen more advertising for the Samsung, which initially makes it look like they're using a phone until they reveal it is actually a camera with phone-like connectivity.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jan 4, 2013)

Yes I have seen lots of Oly advertising for cameras including the OMD, on TV, magazines, you name it. Never seen a Samsung commercial in the US for its cameras on television, not once.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

The NXs are on display in Best Buy (the biggest electronic chain in the US for those who don't know). Try to find an OM-D there (or anywhere, short of large specialized stores like B&H in New York).

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jan 4, 2013)

I keep waiting for Samsung to put a nice built in finder on the upper left of one of these cameras. Looks really nice this one but without any finder option it's a bit disappointing.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

wrong post

Comment edited 35 seconds after posting
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emircruz
By emircruz (Jan 4, 2013)

The silver and black one actually looks good. Just curious, how are the optics? Is the lens line better than the NEX's?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

The Samsung NX lenses are better than the Sony Nex lenses, and the very good 85mm and 30mm Samsung approach Zeiss and Leica, better colour than Fuji.

No, I am not joking about these two Samsung lenses.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jan 4, 2013)

He's not, it's true. I like Samsung's lens lineup more as a whole than Sony's although Sony has a couple of gems in there and is catching up fast. Samsung better kick that marketing horse soon or we'll see yet another abandonment of another mount.

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abortabort
By abortabort (Jan 4, 2013)

Samsung NX has one of the most complete lineups out there, especially compared to NEX.

This includes:

16mm f2.4 Pancake
20mm f2.8 Pancake
30mm f2 Pancake
45mm f1.8
60mm f2.8 Macro
85mm f1.4

Also:

12-24mm
18-55mm
20-50mm Quasi-Pancake
18-200mm
50-200mm

The lenses are great, but the JPEGs and sensor performance have let it down a little (especially the 14MP sensor in my view). They have excellent on-camera controls, but have tended to be quite slow in some areas of operation. NX stuff is hard to find, but you can get a lot of the good stuff dirt cheap because no-one buys it. I have seen for example the 85mm f1.4 for about $600 - which is damn good for the quality of the lens, but also compared to similar lenses in other mounts.

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emircruz
By emircruz (Jan 4, 2013)

Hmm that 85mm 1.4 sounds interesting I wonder how it matches up with the oly 75mm 1.8

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Jan 4, 2013)

For my Nex5, I only have the kit lens, for my NX200, I have 4 AF lens, and I own the Nex5 much longer. I think that is saying something. I mostly use MF lens for my Nex. I would say the Samsung kit is better than Nex kit. And I would say the Samsung 16mm is a class (if not two) above the Nex 16mm. The NX 30mm f2 is a superb lens for the price and size.
Take a look and judge for yourself, there are links to photo on 2nd last column
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=samsung_forum&page=1&divpage=43&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=196565

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

emircruz:

Think as good as Zeiss for the 85mm 1.4. No I am not joking.

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jonnie burtoft
By jonnie burtoft (Jan 4, 2013)

Hi, check out the 85mm 1.4, its an amazing lens and as good as the already superb oly 75mm. For a review check out photozone.de. cheers jonnie

0 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (Jan 4, 2013)

It's a very nice lens but it's huge.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

"Hi, check out the 85mm 1.4, its an amazing lens and as good as the already superb oly 75mm."

I wonder where did you get this idea. I am looking at the resolution chart, and the sharpness looks more like Oly 40-150 than Oly 75.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Peevee1:

Looking at photos that I shot with the 1.4 85mm Samsung on my NX100. And comparing the results to a Zeiss 50mm on the same camera.

Olympus can indeed make very good lenses, there are some amazing ones for the neglected bigger 4/3rds system DSLRs.

0 upvotes
NeilJones
By NeilJones (Jan 4, 2013)

Does "Timmbits" work for Smagsum?

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Winston Loo
By Winston Loo (Jan 4, 2013)

I think you meant to ask "Does Timmbits work for SAMSUNG". What's Smagsum? Sounds like a troll from the Hobbit !
And yes, Timmbits sounds like a Samsung employee or Troll..

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Jan 4, 2013)

Cut him sum smag, was probably meant funny.

-Smug Sam
Sesamsung Street 1855
Sam's Song, Japan

0 upvotes
rpm40
By rpm40 (Jan 4, 2013)

Nah, he's just as enthusiastic for Fuji, so I assume he's just a guy who really likes his cameras.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 4, 2013)

Probably no. He is mostly right, but kinda over-reacts. Bit of like those guys from DPreview which are sometimes bit over-enthusiastic about cams..

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nycandre
By nycandre (Jan 5, 2013)

Samsung cameras are great buys and have great IQ with excellent and reasonably priced lenses. Just like with their printers and ..smartphones and tablets. I think they are just refining their cameras, taking their time. I've owned the NX10 and a bunch of lenses, might get the NX300 if the android remote works well.
The only serious drawback is huge raw files and the minor drawbacks are so so AF speed, and low light performance.
Otherwise as I said, great IQ. One recent shot
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nycandre/8031883943

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timo
By timo (Jan 4, 2013)

I've never owned a Samsung camera in my life, so I have no dog in this fight - but on paper this looks quite attractive. It would be more so with a VF but that's just me. The level of knee-jerk negativity in these comments is quite interesting. It demonstrates the influence of brand values - positive in the case of Canikon, and increasingly Sony, and 'not quite there' when it comes to Samsung. That'll change, as South Korea continues to overtake Japan as the engine of technological progress.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Samsung had serious single raw shooting speed problems with the NX20/200/210 and only sort of dealt with the problem with a not great firmware fix. And no the NX20 couldn't take full advantage of the UHS1 SDHC cards writing at 90MB per second.

If Samsung has fixed the write speed (buffer) problem and increased the usable high ISO to above 6400, this series of cameras will be a big deal.

These cameras also need to be on display for handling at stores in North America, not packed away in boxes for sale only.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jan 4, 2013)

Samsung lenses are great, there body not so. I have a nx100. the upper dial is out of order and overall build quality is not very good, a plastic toy feeling.
Raw files are big (25MB for 14mp sensor, with the same sensor Pentax K7 raw files are 13MB)
Jpeg engine is ok, except the red channel, wich sometime is oversaturated.
I hope this new camera correct those problems.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

spidermoon,

The fix for the upper dial is a tiny drop of electrical connection cleaner applied to the wheel, then spin.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

LOVE the tilting screen, that does NOT swivel out to the side!

LOVE the addition of phase-detection focus.

These two elements alone are a wonderful evolution and improvement on the existing line.

I'm putting up my NX1000 for sale in case someone is interested - I'm getting one of these.

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JaFO
By JaFO (Jan 4, 2013)

don't forget the 3D capability and connectivity features.
Sure, it's still in its infancy but it shows that at least one brand isn't afraid to take chances.

What we really need is for the rest of the world to adapt these kinds of features into an open standard.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

"I'm putting up my NX1000 for sale in case someone is interested"

So, you owned it what, 6 months?

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (Jan 4, 2013)

> LOVE the addition of phase-detection focus.

Well, will see how that works. Except for Nikon 1, no-one can claim successful/useful integration to date.

If previous releases any indication, user reports would start popping up pretty soon.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 4, 2013)

Yea, they did two things right. Finally. Yepee.

Its like 5DMK3, after years Canon made something right. Amazing. Smashing..

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yonsarh
By yonsarh (Jan 4, 2013)

I heard CEO of samsung, Lee Kun Hee has
interested hobbies in photographic equipment.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 4, 2013)

Which translated means he bought Leica S and doesnt even know about NX.

Thats what I would do, if I was CEO of Samsung. :D

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eddie_cam
By eddie_cam (Jan 4, 2013)

dpreview, what gives? No hands-on? ;-)

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

Read the text, they don't have one yet.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (Jan 4, 2013)

He winked ! Read the emoticon !

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zoranT
By zoranT (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung copy everything, first Sony's NEX series, and now they go a bit towards the retro concept of Fuji. And IQ-wise they have been always a bit behind, no surprise. They could bring it on however, if they wanted to be more serious about leading the market.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

WHAT is your problem?
I hate it when people b!tch just to b!tch, without any purpose or even anything to back it up.
1st, the NEX format is simply the logical shape you end up with when you go mirroless without a viewfinder - and I remember the first NEXs having crappy touchscreen interfaces and no external controls, that's why many stayed away.
2nd, this does NOT look like a Fuji by any stretch of the imagination - it doesn't even have a virefinder. Paint it black it you would have trouble distinguishing it from an NX210.
3rd, they're not leading the market and have no illusions about that.
I understand criticism is welcome, especially if constructive.

You can't throw mud without getting your hands dirty... and sometimes, your face.

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Geoff-san
By Geoff-san (Jan 4, 2013)

Samsung did not copy the Sony NEX system. In fact the Samsung NX system was released some time before NEX and was the first mirrorless APS-C camera on the market.

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timo
By timo (Jan 4, 2013)

Are you implying that Canon and Nikon do not copy each other? Are you suggesting that the amazing uniformity of appearance of SLRs from different manufacturers even in the film days was coincidental?

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Ariston
By Ariston (Jan 4, 2013)

what a stupid comment. the NX system came out first than the NEX. get your facts straight before commenting something like this.

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zoranT
By zoranT (Jan 4, 2013)

Yes, they all copy from each other, but sometimes it is too obvious (wasn't there recently a dispute with Apple about tablet design rip off that Apple won?). Just look at the NX100 onwards, clearly NEX rip off land. On the other hand, their NX 5-20 series appears quite genuine. More of that.

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RandyPD
By RandyPD (Jan 4, 2013)

It is true. Sony has NEX, then Samsung names their camera..NX..lol. Its pretty obvious. There is a very good reason why they were penalized for infringement against Apple..

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Jan 4, 2013)

I have to disagree, IQ wise, I like my NX200 output better than my NEX5. NX have better color and layer. I am guessing Samsung "copy" quite a lot from the old days when co-op with Pentax. This is something I don't mind as long as they can do it better :-)
But Samsung sucks in marketing their camera, thats for sure.

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jgardia
By jgardia (Jan 4, 2013)

Zoran, Randy, 2 things. First the NX line was launched before the NEX line, so Samsung didn't copy the name.
Second, google the Samsung NV15 or NV20. They were released around 2007, and they look like the NEX-3.
Please look at the facts.

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mememe
By mememe (Jan 4, 2013)

Looks like Timmbits is doing the b!tching.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jan 3, 2013)

You know, I usually expect a good number of negative comments on any new Samsung products, but I was genuinely surprised at this one since the NX300 seems like such a decent product.

1/6000 shutter speed is better than most products. They've added a bigger screen which helps with quick review and using the touch feature (although hopefully battery life won't take too big a hit). Video is improved, there's phase AF now too (hopefully it will be more useful than Canon M's use of it ;)), and it says it uses an all new sensor- and you guys are already shunning it without seeing what it can do.

Idk about you guys but I love the camera's looks- retro yet modern and elegant. Honestly I think tilt screens are the worst of both worlds- thicker body and not full flexibility- I was hoping Samsung would be first to put an articulated screen on a rangefinder, but it's better than nothing.

Faster performance, and its movie button looks smartly placed out of the way unlike Sony.

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jj74e
By jj74e (Jan 3, 2013)

I'm not saying it will be perfect- a faster shutter speed and burst fps doesn't mean samsung has fixed its RAW file sizes or buffer times, and a lot remains to be seen when people actually can do hands on reviews- but likewise people shouldn't be writing it off as worthless so quickly.

One unrelated thing- on the black model, the hand-grip sided neck strap lug looks well hidden and out of the way so you don't have to awkwardly grip the camera around it, but on the white model it is sticking out. Interesting inconsistency there, but I'm glad Samsung is improving its ergonomics.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

Good post. I disagree with the tilt screen though.
It is as a matter of personal preference, really.
I don't like flipping out and tilting the swivel screen on my NX20. I do like the tilt on my Fuji XS1, but I confess that after using the NX20 the Fuji's seems a bit limitative. What I dislike about the swivels is that they swing out to the side - it evokes a danger of getting hit on something and breaking off, and is counter-intuitive when I'm looking to one side and having to aim the camera to another (because it's not centered behind it).

I think SONY has the right formula with it's screen on the A99.

With a bit of luck, if there's a NX30 in the wings, it would have a tilt+swivel screen like on the A99 - after all, an NX30 would have to best an NX300.

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eddie_cam
By eddie_cam (Jan 3, 2013)

Wow, ISO 25600 on a sensor that barely is able to resolve much at ISO 1600 and above, compared to other APS-C sensors (look at the NX200/210 and NX1000 reviews).

I love how the pancakes look on the small bodies, but zoom/superzoom lenses? Nope ...

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

I don't like how the pancake's super small openings in the front let in less light... to me it looks like it is an aperture-equivalent and not a true aperture for the F-number on the pancakes (and not just Samsung's). Feel free to enlighten my ignorance if I'm wrong here. (I'm thinking of the old 35mm primes (for example a 28mm f2) versus Samsung's 30mm F2, for example).

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits:

I own the Samsung NX F2 30mm; it's F2. There's a formula. Shooting at F2 with my MF F1.4 50mm Zeiss mounted on my NX100 in the same lighting as shooting with the Samsung 30mm at F2 has no noticeable exposure differences. Though I would say the the Samsung is sharper and the Zeiss is a tiny bit subtler.

Yes I realize that the Zeiss was originally a 35mm film camera lens, but there is simply no lighting difference when shooting full manual control; say 30th of sec at F2 with both lenses. Of course one reason that the Samsung 30mm lens can be so small is the fact that the APSC sensor is not the size of a 35mm piece of film.

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (Jan 4, 2013)

I have Nex5 and NX200, I can say the Samsung iso1600 is very good, as good as the Nex5. If u look at the raw test here, the NX200 noise is actually better than the Nex 7.
And even more is I like the image from my NX more than Nex. Samsung just has better color. Nex has higher hue error according to another site.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 4, 2013)

Eddie...you must be kidding as this Samsung sensor as simply the best base iso IQ until iso400 and is just about half or a little stop behind the Sony sensor at high iso in term of details...
Don't misunderstand this sensor with the one which was inside the first NX10. It's a complete different story.

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Hannu108
By Hannu108 (Jan 4, 2013)

@eddie_cam:
ChuckTa is right – NX200 RAW is better than NEX5 at high ISOs. How do I know it? Because I had them both and I shoot RAW. NX jpgs are awful at high sensitivities, though. Just don't use jps unless you're at ISO 100 - 200 range...

On the other hand, my new NEX-F3 is the best of these three when it comes to IQ at high ISOs. Unfortunately, its interface is sooo much behind of that of the Samsung NX series.

I miss my NX200. It's stuck in a German company that I sent it for maintenance. They declared it their property because the original buyer never paid for it! That crook got it sold by some one else on ebay.de and I was the unfortunate one to get it... BE careful when you buy stuff off German ebay!

Anyhow, competition is good.

Cheers!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Hannu108,

But the Nex5 had a very good high ISO reputation and few MPs than the NX200, so that's not a surprising result.

Helps to have a full version of ACR too.

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Fox Fisher
By Fox Fisher (Jan 3, 2013)

Design: best in class
3D: useless
Tilting LCD: awesome
NO EVF: no big deal in this segment
NO built-in flash: hmmm thats -1 on portability side
Wi-Fi: very nice addition
UI: doubtful
Verdict: we'll see :)

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

Please take one in your hands, and press the Fn button.
PLEASE! You will not see as good a UI anywhere.
Agree that the 3D is gimmicky.
The flash is external, and is included with the camera - no big deal, as we don't need a flash so often, with a larger sensor.

0 upvotes
starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 4, 2013)

Fox, I owned a NX10 which was the first NX camera available few years ago. Its UI is, simply, the best I've ever seen on ANY camera.

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Hannu108
By Hannu108 (Jan 4, 2013)

My NX200 UI is absolutely better than that of my current NEX-F3 and my previous NEX5 and Pana G3. Hands down!

2 upvotes
Bryan M
By Bryan M (Jan 4, 2013)

Samsung's UI is one of their strong points in my opinion. I think it's easy to navigate, clean and very good looking. I would go so far as to say they are better than most.

2 upvotes
AnHund
By AnHund (Jan 3, 2013)

Nice design.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Doesnt seem exactly thrilling.

3D? Useless gimmick.

9 FPS? Only if it has buffer for 4-5x times more and can have metering and AF while doing that. Which I sincerely doubt.

16:9 LCD? eh.. sure. :/

Tilt LCD? Ok that is improvement.

1/6000 .. joke? Learn how to make that fking global shutter and bring me 1/16000!

EVF? Still no EVF? Wait, not still, again! (NX100 could use it, crappy one but could)

New bla blab processor.. bla high ISO.. bla bla.

Sure, it will work, it wont be bad, but its very small improvement, if any. :/ Quite pathetic Samsung..

And Im actually guy that likes their NX system.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

If you actually liked NX as you claim, you would not conveniently "forget" that the NX20 has the viewfinder you want! That is what the NX20 is for, for you, who wants a viewfinder!
As for the shutter, it probably has an electronic first curtain (just like on the 2012 models) so this is a mechanical possibility.
Don't let your anger replace your thought processes.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (Jan 4, 2013)

1/6000 = Joke ?
I think YOU are the joke !

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Hannu108
By Hannu108 (Jan 4, 2013)

I was 6 months in Brazil shooting with my Nikon D90 and Olympus E-PL1 and I'd have been sooo happy to be able to shoot 1/6000! Sometimes the light can be too much.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits

Nah, Im not angry. :D Just a bit disappointed, cause except that tilt screen, there is no real improvement.

NX20 does have EVF, sure, then it has quite a bit of fails and then I prefer form factor of NEX-7/6 and hence NX200/210/300. And I would sorta expect Samsung to finaly catch up and add that EVF into that corner.

1/6000 is joke for me, cause all my cams can do 1/8000. Yes, most of them is quite old, but I dont have need to buy newest camera. And especially cause I know its just manufacturer (Samsung) way to cut corners..

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung never seems to have a gameplan, as far as I can tell. The constantly throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks, but they never seem to take interface design seriously. I don't understand what direction their design team is taking. They throw a button or dial or wheel here and there, but it never seems to be in any sort of happy marriage and the final product just looks completely uninspiring. Their lenses, for the most part, are pretty good, but everything else about the NX lineup seems to be uncompetitive.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Actually ergonomy and menus are pretty good. Just whole package is sometimes bit "meh". Or they scre*-up something important (exposure in NX20 for example, lack of add-on EVF on NX200,210). Poor flash support. Etc.

Otherwise yea, it their game plan is pretty random.. and pretty stupid at times.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

It seems to me that "pretty stupid" would be to intentionally forget that there is a model they offer for your personal tastes precisely, Mescalinebambina.
@angrycorgi: why are you angry? it looks like this is a very good improvement and evolution of the NX210. (aside from the 3d gimmick - but at least you're not forced to pay for that in the base price).

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3dreal
By 3dreal (Jan 4, 2013)

It will have a special 45mm 3D-lens which will cut the light-path into two, sort of beamsplitter-like but new technology. Genious!

0 upvotes
mugupo
By mugupo (Jan 3, 2013)

Unless is far cheaper than Sony NEX 6 not much stand out.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Wouldnt take this over NEX-6, that has built-in EVF.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

That's a good point. The buyers of this prefer a 20MP over 16MP. For them, that is the added value. And a nice Fn UI.
For me, the NX20 is a nicer more ergonomical format that appeals more than the NEX6.
There are those who like Sony, Canon, Nikon, and those trying to beat the system and find better value for their money.
There is something for everyone. Accept that.

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Josh SZ
By Josh SZ (Jan 3, 2013)

Competitions are good things. I like to see Samsung coming out something strong.

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Yea me too. Just not now apparently. :D

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tinternaut
By tinternaut (Jan 3, 2013)

Still no external EVF option for the Samsungs?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

I suppose you haven't noticed the NX20 has an EVF.
WHO actually buys an external viewfinder anyways? They make the total package price skyrocket, to a pricepoint at which you can get much higher-end cameras.

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ArmanV
By ArmanV (Jan 4, 2013)

Dear Timmbits

You don't need to defend samsung in every post people make, sure it's a nice camera and somehow its a jack of all trades (high resolution, retro, wifi, ... etc) but you must admit a new brand in professional photography needs more than that. May be an aggressive price tag, or smart features(the galaxy camera comes to mind, a useless product but a step in the right direction)..

Anyway I think you are overreacting to people criticism . By the way without image quality none of those features matter just like previous NX cameras.

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JaFO
By JaFO (Jan 4, 2013)

Who says they are targeting 'professional' photography at all ?
Their current advertising appears to focus on the mobile phone crowd that might be tempted into buying a 'real' camera ...

The lack of an EVF would be a non-issue to them.
If anything it is the wannabe 'pro photographers' who seem to be stuck trying to defend their 'need' for EVF.

I'd rather wait and see how the camera handles before judging whether or not the EVF is essential.

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andycs1
By andycs1 (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung is global leader in many things: smartphones, TV's, hard-disks, flash-memories, sensors and ... and ... (like Sony and many others)

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Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Only in smartphones, rest is just "we do that too". Camera included.

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

I wonder how many people appreciate how big and important Samsung is; these guys make parts for lots of other products besides what is badged Samsung. They are leading the field in many technologies, which means they will lead the markets eventually.

E.g. with TVs they along with LG are the only ones with OLED tech about to arrive - and LG staff have been prosecuted for stealing Samsung OLED research!. As far as I know most of the tv panels sony uses are originally samsung.

Also they will lead in SSDs I think. Intel is the only other reliably mfr in my opinoin and Intel are more expensive.

They release so many products per year. They are typically the ones seeming to have the new ideas these days, simply because they are so good at launching test products with new features, some make it to the next model, others die due to low sales. Its a dynamic business model, where they seem to try it out on the market rather than evaluate and predict. This also gets a lot of press attention!

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

Unfortunately the UI sometimes falls short (my first Samsung phone S1 vibrated loudly in the middle of the night when fully charged without simple solution for many months!), but they seem to be learning and listening in some departments. For example, the smartphone range has progressively got better and better S1 to S2 and Note to S3 and Note 2; people complained about the lack of Wolfson audio DAC in S2 and Note (claiming worse audio quality), it's back in the new S3 and Note 2. Samsung is listening to customers for top end products. It's been a bit slow with the mirrorless market, but the products seem solid.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jan 4, 2013)

you forgot samsung cars :)

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Digital Suicide
By Digital Suicide (Jan 3, 2013)

Any good from company that makes everything? I mean EVERYTHING: from cr@ppy smartphones to power plants..

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

actually that is sometimes stated as a reason why the products are reliable especially in ssds (e.g. the 830 and 840 series); because Samsung controls the entire production line of every component, they can put the good stuff in the top end and you (and they) know its probably going to last.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jan 4, 2013)

apple fan boys spotted !!!
My note II is brillant, big high res screen, good camera, no lag, good battery life.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Jan 3, 2013)

Same sensor, same failure awaiting. Samsung doesn't get it. Stop playing with stupid gimmicks, like ridiculous LCD screens and put a decent sensor in your camera for once. And fix he ergonomics while you're at it, the nx200 is terrible and this looks to be equally uncomfortable.

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danielmihai
By danielmihai (Jan 3, 2013)

What camera do you have? Samsung NX 210 get a Silver Award !Why you are so mad,i am not a Samsung fan,owner,but what its new always get some negative comments.Time will tell that

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tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Jan 3, 2013)

explain 'decent sensor'.

The output of RAWs is on the same level as any other crop sensored camera (apart from the fujis of course).

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Jan 3, 2013)

"The output of RAWs is on the same level as any other crop sensored camera (apart from the fujis of course)."

False. They lag behind Sony exmors and the latest Olympus mft sensors in most categories. The Samsung sensor is on par with Canon, except for SNR, but that is not a complement.

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Desverger
By Desverger (Jan 3, 2013)

Huh? The sensor is pretty good, it's far from crap and not at the top of the list of things that need to be added or improved. As for ergonomics, I think they already get an A+ in that department. I think the Sony NEX line gets the F in that department, not Samsung, you must have them mixed up.

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

Really who needs a best in market sensor to take photos these days?!!!

I expect it will be capable of taking better than or equal photos to any large but not 35mm sensor. I don't know is it better than my 5D classic with L lens? Probably not, but what member of my family would notice the difference in prints? Probably just me!

3 upvotes
AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (Jan 3, 2013)

"I think the Sony NEX line gets the F in that department, not Samsung, you must have them mixed up."

Totally disagree. The NEX-6 feels great in the hand and fixes some of the foolishness used on the NEX-7. The only downer for the NEX-6 is the UI. And the UI can be fixed by using the Quick Navi function (display option) to get rid of the menu system and shoot with a no-nonsense interface.

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

@angry: anyone who thinks an MFT sensor, with only contrast detection is better, lost all semblance of credibility in our eyes!
The phase-detection should greatly improve things over the other generations. I'm surprised to see it at this level. To those who criticize the ergonomics, you're right... but then again, some people buy NEX, some buy Sony A series... some buy NX210, some buy NX20 (/NX30). There's something for everyone. Don't knock the model that you don't want - evaluate the one that is suitable for you.

0 upvotes
tst303
By tst303 (Jan 4, 2013)

If you actually read the announcement it is an entirely new sensor, with phase-detect AF and with a new processor should have improved IQ. With Wi-Fi a touch screen should make it easier to enter username and passwords and write emails. Plus multi-position is helpful for composition. Don't knock the ergonomics until you handle it for yourself, it looks to me better than previous models.

1 upvote
Revenant
By Revenant (Jan 4, 2013)

Hybrid PDAF/CDAF certainly looks promising on paper, but most of the mirrorless cameras that have it (Canon EOS M, Sony NEX-5R/NEX-6) doesn't quite live up to that promise. They are all slower than the latest generation of m4/3 cameras.
The Nikon 1 cameras also has on-sensor PDAF, of course, and it works very well, but they don't use CDAF and PDAF in conjunction; it's either one or the other depending on the light levels.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits: "@angry: anyone who thinks an MFT sensor, with only contrast detection is better, lost all semblance of credibility in our eyes!
The phase-detection should greatly improve things over the other generations."

Should? But EOS M and NEX5r/6 have it, and AF is still slower than the recent Panasonics and Olys. Nikon 1 has it, and the implementation is great in sunlight, but it is unusable in low light (and AF in low light sucks compared to m43 again).

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0 upvotes
Airless
By Airless (Jan 3, 2013)

So Samsung almost exactly copied the NEX-5R minus the 180-degree tilting screen. I guess that's not too bad since they have better lenses, but only if they fixed the sensor.

2 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

And again, wrong accusation. NX was BEFORE NEX.. Plus cams are really not designed in 6 months.

4 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung has more lenses to offer, but not better ones, Sony's e-lenses are among the best glass you can find. Give their 50-1.8, 24-1.8, the new 35-1.8, the 10-18, the 18-200 a test against the Schneiders from Samsung and you will very fast find out where the better lenses are. Sony is slow to develop lenses for the e-mount, but those we get are amazingly good and I doubt that any Samsung is better. The only lens that could be better is the 20 pancake and in this matter, Sony should do something. A 12, 16, 20 mm pancake of top quality would be seen with great pleasure. Also an intermediate zoom from 16 to 120 mm would be of great interest. Samsungs sensor is good, but Sony RAW had definitely much more information and more possibilities then the NX one. I just would like Sony to have a quality jpeg, the way NX has it. Wit a Sony, all but RAW is just to forget if you want a quality shot.

1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

@Shamael: did you mean to say the 30mm f2 from Samsung (rather than the 20mm)?

1 upvote
tst303
By tst303 (Jan 4, 2013)

It's a totally new sensor with the same number of pixels. Did you READ the announcement?

1 upvote
Airless
By Airless (Jan 4, 2013)

Just because it's a new sensor doesn't mean it fixed the inferior image quality from before, although I would hope so.

1 upvote
audijam
By audijam (Jan 3, 2013)

very very very impressive...

2 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

... not.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 3, 2013)

So it is basically a NEX-5R copycat, right? What about apps?

0 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (Jan 3, 2013)

How is it a 5R copycat? They copy each other. Wi-Fi was on Samsung first (NX20 had it early last year), the entire NX line was out before the NEX. Considering the 5R has only been out for a few months they were both clearly in development at the same time. They go back and forth. My guess is when Apps come to the NX line, they will be Android based, which will be nice relative to Sony's more proprietary format (but that is just a guess).

5 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

I certainly HOPE to never own a camera with apps... ugh! OS updates, app updates - oh wait, I can't take a picture, it's updating! sh!t, it crashed, have to reboot!

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0 upvotes
JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (Jan 3, 2013)

So who will buy Nikon 1 now???

1 upvote
Allioth
By Allioth (Jan 3, 2013)

NO one! :D

2 upvotes
zygh
By zygh (Jan 3, 2013)

Apparently the Japanese. J1 has been no.1 in the mirrorless market for the past year.

8 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Just now? I couldnt find reason to buy it any other time too. Nikon 1 is happily on its bottom of my interest, along with K-01 and EOS-M.

0 upvotes
Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

Its not that simple; distribution chains cannot easily be won over by new or smaller players than Nikon and Canon who have a long reputation of making sales for retailers.

0 upvotes
spidermoon
By spidermoon (Jan 4, 2013)

Nikon 1 is half the price, sometime money talks. And Nikon 1 came in a red, pink, black, grey and white, thats counts too :)

0 upvotes
Michael Barkowski
By Michael Barkowski (Jan 4, 2013)

Who will buy Nikon 1? People who want small telephoto lenses.

0 upvotes
mikespcr
By mikespcr (Jan 4, 2013)

Nikon 1V1 at $280 (42nd St) is irresistible & better than anything near the price. I just ordered one.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (Jan 4, 2013)

"Nikon 1V1 at $280 (42nd St) is irresistible & better than anything near the price."

Actually Pana G3 at $249 is even better.

0 upvotes
Allioth
By Allioth (Jan 3, 2013)

Any rumors about a possible NX30 coming up??? I'm DYING to know when it comes out! Especially with a hybrid AF like the NX300, and improved sensor... it's gonna be a nice piece of cake :)

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 3, 2013)

Let's hope Samsung has solved the buffer problems of the NX20 and NX200/210.

3 upvotes
Allioth
By Allioth (Jan 3, 2013)

Yes... absolutely right... But according to the announcement above, looks like they've used a brand new chip as well... so let's hope :)

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Would like to see, and perhaps less fatal mistakes this time..

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

1080p60 video suggests there is no buffering problem at all... most other cameras with fast buffering presently only do 1080p30

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits:

We will see about buffering with single raws, 1080p60 video can spend time writing when you stop shooting. So if you need 30 seconds extra of video, shoot it then let it write. That's not how still raws work.

The Samsung NX20 would spend 20 seconds writing files after 2 quick raws and during that time would not shoot anymore raws, a firmware fix improved that write speed a bit, but long write times aren't acceptable when shooting still raws, and I don't think one can be sure about the NX300 until one has handled it with a fast card in it.

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1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

@howaboutraw: yes I know, I own a NX20 and an NX1000 (and had a NX200 before that).
but video doesn't pause every 30 seconds when you are shooting a 20 min. video. video either works or it doesn't. and 60p certainly indices that the new version might be twice as fast. that would still make for some write delays, but much improved.
I too am eager to see the image buffering and write time results.

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0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Timmbits,

Samsung may have fixed the buffer problem, but I will reserve judgement until such time as I handle the NX300 and shoot with it, no matter what others may claim. (That's how bad the problem was starting with the NX200.)

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0 upvotes
mikespcr
By mikespcr (Jan 3, 2013)

Perhaps antipathy is to be expected - Samsung is not a traditional camera company... nor did it buy one (like Sony). It's not easy to separate marketing from product (Samsung is not the only one), but I would not write them off, this one looks promising.

I spent several weeks with a Samsung NX20 last summer with stock zoom lens and pancake wide, and was astonished at the IQ of both stills and videos right out the box, in either daylight or low light. I took many 100s of shots; very few bad ones could be blamed on the camera. For reference, I've been a dedicated Nikon SLR user for years -- latest being the D7000, with several previous models before, and 35mm SLRs going back many decades. The Samsung's innate IQ is high, the EVR quite good (tho too cool color cast and not as good as the Sony NEX-7), the LCD stunning, and focus/shutter response was very quick. It was let down by a menu/control system not well designed for more experienced shooters, and kludgy (not smooth) lenses.

8 upvotes
The Jacal
By The Jacal (Jan 3, 2013)

Warning,_Samsung_shill_alert.

5 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Despite few, for some major, flaws of NX20, its still very good camera..

1 upvote
Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

@ the jakal what nonsense and rudeness. The guy states sony are better in major aspects of camera user experience and you think he's a samsung plant?! Poppycock. Look up cognitive dissonnance. Really is your opinon of Samsung so low (or of your preferred brand so high) that you don't believe when someone thinks product a or b is okay?!

2 upvotes
The Jacal
By The Jacal (Jan 3, 2013)

I_don't_know_what_you_read.___Look_at_his_joining_date_and__number_of_posts.
_I_shoot_mainly_Olympus,_sometimes_Samsung.____OK,my_Olys_are_the_worst_cameras_ever___and_I_should_bow_in___deference_to_Samsung.

Let's_see_you_misread_this_one.

Also,_spacebar_knackered,soz.

0 upvotes
mikespcr
By mikespcr (Jan 4, 2013)

That's a pretty paranoid response... just because it is my first post?! But people like The Jacal are everywhere on the web. Digital cams are developing so fast, it's hard to keep track, but it looks to me the winners will be those run who hard and fast with new technology rather than be stuck with old film photography paradigms. Sony has a leg up on Canon & Nikon in this sense, they are less fettered. Samsung could go the same way, but they need more serious photo enthusiasts in their design team. I recently bought a NEX-7, it's very nice, great cam, but find myself sometimes wishing for more traditional controls; there's such a thing as too much flexibility.

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1 upvote
The Jacal
By The Jacal (Jan 4, 2013)

Like_I_said_,Samsungs_are_the_best_cameras_ever.

0 upvotes
mpetersson
By mpetersson (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung does almost everything right (excluding offering an EVF), but still their cameras don't do it for me. Being a NEX-user I would love to have their lens line-up for the NEX-system. They have covered most bases with fast primes, pancakes, zoom-lenses etc. And now also the phase detect-pixels on the sensor. Honestly this looks like a great camera, but I wouldn't switch my NEX-7 for this.

My dream would be if Samsung stopped making their own mount and just went ahead and joined the E-mount instead, but that would never happen. In the end I think the whole mirrorless manufacturers need to build consortiums like m4/3 has done. Pooling knowledge about lens-design and electronics could mean a lot.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 3, 2013)

The NX20 has an EVF and the NX100 had a separate EVF.

Imaging-Resource states that Samsung will be selling this NX300 with Adobe Lightroom included, that's a great improvement over Silkypix.

2 upvotes
mpetersson
By mpetersson (Jan 3, 2013)

I prefer this form-factor over the NX20 for a mirrorless camera, and the EVF should be built in, not an add-on, in my opinion. Then again, that is one of the main reasons I chose the NEX-7 which I am happy with. We all have different needs, and for many people an EVF is definitely not a necessity. Like I said, it looks like a great camera but it doesn't really do it for me.

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Most of the time, they are like Fuji. They do almost everything right. Problem is that "almost".

2 upvotes
Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (Jan 3, 2013)

I bought lightroom already. Why would I chose to buy it again with a camera? I'd rather take a discount on the camera. Still its easy to recommend to those who don't own lr.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

Goodmeme:

Lightroom uses ACR, whereas the other Samsung NX cameras shipped with a Samsung NX only version of the terrible Silkypix for raw extraction.

What this means is that this camera ships with serious raw extraction software, unlike most other cameras, except Leicas.

Obviously it's not important if you already own a fully updated version of ACR, but many don't. (And this shipment with Lightroom suggests that Samsung is going to make sure that an updated ACR extracts these files at about the time the camera ships, and that's also a separate big deal, because often times there's a wait, even with files that aren't significantly different than related cameras--see Fuji XE1 raws with the crop problem. And no there's not some real image quality problem with the new Fuji raws when extracted with Photoshop CS6.)

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

mpetersson:

I agree that the Fuji XE1 and Sony Nex 7/6's EVFs on the left are slick, but that request wasn't in the initial post about a lacking EVF.

The built-in EVF on the NX20 is very good, and the rear OLED screen on that camera destroys anything else, and all those NX cameras with AMOLED screens sure run a long time on one battery--particular when shooting with my MF Zeiss lens.

The Sony RX1 also uses a detachable EVF--a nice one.

0 upvotes
seagoat8888
By seagoat8888 (Jan 3, 2013)

I'm having trouble picturing how a lens could actually give 3d results without having actual horizontal parallax between two optical centers. Does anyone know of some example 3d shots online from the previous 3d lens they put out?

0 upvotes
BJN
By BJN (Jan 3, 2013)

I'd bet that any 3D effect will be minimal.

2 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

And thanks to method used to get it, it will be most likely pretty unpleasant to watch. But then, I hate all 3D. :D

0 upvotes
dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (Jan 3, 2013)

Single lens 3D is done using the same technology described here:

http://www.isee3d.com/?page_id=1330

0 upvotes
David Kinston
By David Kinston (Jan 3, 2013)

waiting for true hi-def video ie 3840x2160 or better.
surely just a matter of time!
the technology appears to be capable of that ...

0 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 3, 2013)

Um, camera manufacturers make $XX,XXX for each camera of that type they sell.

You don't think that they're just going to GIVE away the technology to ordinary slobs like us, do you?

0 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Since Samsung doesnt make anything for those 4K cams, they actually could do that without harming themself..

And, why not..

1 upvote
NXuser
By NXuser (Jan 3, 2013)

Alot of hating

2 upvotes
danielmihai
By danielmihai (Jan 3, 2013)

I am very impressed by the camera design,specifications are good,only real downsides at previous NX models are high iso,let's hope NX300 will improve that

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 3, 2013)

The NX20 was perfectly usable at ISO4000 and the NX100 can easily shoot at ISO2000 (NB, shooting RAW and extracting in ACR.)

0 upvotes
straylightrun
By straylightrun (Jan 3, 2013)

Looks like a NEX clone. New tilt screen and hybrid AF. At least the 5r can tilt around for self portraits.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 3, 2013)

Better quality native lenses and better native lens selection with the Samsung NX system cameras.

9 upvotes
BBking83
By BBking83 (Jan 3, 2013)

The mirrorless Hasselblad is an NEX wrapped in Hasselblad style.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 4, 2013)

BBking83:

Unlikehte Hasselblad, the Samsung does not use a Sony Nex system camera in a silly body.

0 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung has kind of sucked so far when it came to their sensors. When they solve that, they will become a real threat to Sony and Olympus and Panasonic

2 upvotes
tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Jan 3, 2013)

JPEG engines*

Their raw output is just as good, if not better.

Much better than the EOS-M farce.

Where they lack is their marketing; however I get the feeling they're not really pushing the product in western markets yet.

0 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Jan 3, 2013)

It sounds like a capable camera from the wrong camera manufacturer. I would buy it if it was a phone acting like a camera. However, I don't want it since it is a camera acting like a phone without the phone part.

1 upvote
viking79
By viking79 (Jan 3, 2013)

How is this anything like a phone? I think you are thinking of their Android based Galaxy camera (not this one).

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10 upvotes
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

NX does handle like camera. Its actually NEX (7 for example) that reminds more of Playstation then anything else. :D

0 upvotes
Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jan 3, 2013)

Really, who is going to buy this instead of NEX or MFT?
Anyone?

3 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (Jan 3, 2013)

I prefer my NX to NEX or MFT. It has good controls, good image quality, good lenses. There is a lot to like about the system.

13 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (Jan 3, 2013)

@viking79

You might be right, but when I compared the IQ of the TL500 and the "new TL500" (forget the name) to other serious compacts, the Samsung models sucked. I was interested in these models for the articulated screen, but they weren't worth it to me. The TL500 and the "new TL500" were marketed as high-quality enthusiasts, so I'm not picking on an inferior model.

I realize my comments have no bearing on this camera, so if it has great IQ, I apologize!

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 3, 2013)

bobbardber,

This is an APSC camera, unlike the TL500.

Jefftan,

Well those who like that Samsung has serious lenses for this NX system.

0 upvotes
Allioth
By Allioth (Jan 3, 2013)

Agree with Viking79... Samsung has way better control over NEX system (which is basically a point and shoot for novice, as everything is done through the touch control screen)... Haven't seen ONE useful button on the NEX systems... At least the NX100 started really well with two control dials (which are not even standard on DSLRs) and a proper PASM wheel... Ok, handling wasn't great, but hell, NEX system is not actually a comfortable camera to hold either!

0 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (Jan 3, 2013)

The TL500 (or EX1 as it is called where I live) actually has the same Sony CCD as S95/G12/P7100. And its successor, the EX2F, has the same Sony CMOS sensor as P7700/XZ-2/LX7.
Samsung's JPEG engine is clearly not very good, but shooting RAW one should be able to get similar IQ as from the other cameras.

0 upvotes
tkpenalty
By tkpenalty (Jan 3, 2013)

Me.

The NEX's have awful tonal reproduction. The MFT simply have worse image quality (although great/mature tonal reproduction, which makes it more of an option than the NEX).

Quite a lot of correction is needed for the NEX system, and I don't see what is that good about the system.

Also the lens system of the NX system is actually quite mature now. Quite moreso than a certain pentax i'd daresay.

0 upvotes
zkz5
By zkz5 (Jan 3, 2013)

"It has good controls,"
"Samsung has way better control over NEX system"

They apparently deleted the rear dial on the NX300. Sad. One step forward, one step backward as usual for NX (I used to shoot NX). The Phoblographer has a hands on preview:

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/01/03/first-impressions-samsung-nx300-and-45mm-f1-8-3d/

1 upvote
Timmbits
By Timmbits (Jan 4, 2013)

you are correct, ANYONE _SHOULD_ buy this instead of MFT! mft's days are numbered in this category. however, mft may have a future in the RX100 space, once panoly go upmarket to larger sensors.

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1 upvote
Jefftan
By Jefftan (Jan 3, 2013)

I am surprised Samsung has not giving up on the NX system
especially with the price. no chance at all in the market
maybe OK in Korea but not for the world

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1 upvote
MichaelKJ
By MichaelKJ (Jan 3, 2013)

Samsung hates to admit defeat in any product market, especially to Japanese companies. Their strategy is to keep copying and improving their products until they get them right. I don't see them giving up on the NX system any time soon.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Jan 3, 2013)

I wish Sony would copy that 30mm or 85mm Samsung NX lens.

1 upvote
d2friis
By d2friis (Jan 3, 2013)

Why should they give up - the NX system are doing great. maybe not in you neighbourhood, but do you know their market share in the biggest camera market of today -China? All Japanese companies, including camera manufactures are suffering on this -the most expansive and exciting market - we are not that important any more ;-)

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1 upvote
Bryan M
By Bryan M (Jan 3, 2013)

I love my little NX210 and Samsung's latest offering looks great. They have a nice UI and their lens selection is better than Sony's. I really think Samsung has been underrated. They make a solid system and by the looks of this body they are improving on it.

0 upvotes
caramelised
By caramelised (Jan 4, 2013)

Prejudiced much?

0 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Jan 3, 2013)

The reason that Samsung has not given out any samples to test yet is because it is not ready to test yet. They will have "NEAR" production ready demo models available about 3 months after it first starts shipping.

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3 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Jan 3, 2013)

Wow it jumps from ISO 12,800 straight to ISO 256,000. Maybe a Type-O?

1 upvote
ImagesInstyle
By ImagesInstyle (Jan 3, 2013)

samsung has horrible marketing. here they announce all this info about a "camera" thats 3D, bla bla bla, but when you click on any of the links listed, not "1" of them shows any info about the camera!..real smart samsung..

7 upvotes
Nathaniel George Weir
By Nathaniel George Weir (Jan 3, 2013)

Why does it seriously have so many megapixels...

0 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (Jan 3, 2013)

Rumors were for 32 MP, so I am glad to see it stay at 20 MP (the current line of Samsung sensors are all 20 MP).

4 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (Jan 3, 2013)

It's much easier to say "It has far more megapixels than needed" vs. "It has fewer megapixels than that other camera that has too many megapixels!" Too complicated.

1 upvote
SETI
By SETI (Jan 3, 2013)

How impressive! Yaaawn

2 upvotes
Mssimo
By Mssimo (Jan 3, 2013)

Panasonic has had a 3D lens for a while now, and no one ever talks about it. Shows the demand for such lens.

6 upvotes
Dianoda
By Dianoda (Jan 3, 2013)

That Panasonic 3D lens is f/12. A 45mm f/1.8 3D lens on an APS-C sensor should be more interesting.

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7 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (Jan 3, 2013)

Panasonic lens is two separate lenses in one unit. This lens uses some other technique with a mirror it sounds like. The difference being this is a 45mm f/1.8 and the Panasonic is 12.5mm f/12 lens, so much small aperture and wider field of view.

3 upvotes
WT21
By WT21 (Jan 3, 2013)

I agree with the above two, that it's a v. different lens, but I also think the interest in 3D is clearly quite low.

2 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (Jan 3, 2013)

The Panasonic m4/3s 3D lens can only be used for stills unless you cover up the electronic contacts. Who really wants 3D stills?

1 upvote
Mescalamba
By Mescalamba (Jan 3, 2013)

Who really wants any 3D?

3 upvotes
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