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Canon PowerShot G16 First Impressions Review

Sep 26, 2013 at 12:00:15 GMT
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Canon's PowerShot G16 might not be a massive upgrade compared to its predecessor, but it is a a solid camera that evolves the G-series in some interesting ways. In this article, we take a look at the G16's real-world performance and dig into its new Wi-Fi feature as well as taking a critical look at its improved video mode. We've also added many more images to our previously-published gallery of real-world samples. Click through for a link to our first-impressions review.

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Total comments: 292
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Musicjohn
By Musicjohn (1 week ago)

The G serie powershots have always been way too overpriced rubbish, are still way overpriced rubbish and always will be way overpriced rubbish. There are many other (even cheaper) cams of this format which make just as good a picture, if not better.

I am a professional photographer with 1D-mkIV and 5D-mkII and I have always had the need for a 'pocket sized' little cam which I can have with me all of the time. I have had several G-series from Canon, but always sold them again within a few weeks because I was disappointed with the image quality. About 4 years ago I even preferred a Casio Exilim to the G11.

The reason why people would buy a pocket sized cam is the need to get any picture as fast as possible onto a blog or a newspaper or news website. Considering the resolution size in which the final picture will appear (usually no larger than 600 pixels max.) one could argue that ANY compact camera would fulfill that job, even the lowest price compact cam available today.

8 upvotes
austin design
By austin design (1 week ago)

What utter nonsense. Canon's G-series is unquestionably superior in both flexibility and, more important, image quality to just about anything similarly priced or cheaper. Maybe that's why it sells so well.

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19 upvotes
Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (1 week ago)

I have a G10, and I love it. It feels serious and not like most other compact cameras, by far to cheap. It is just the right size and have just the right controls.

3 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (1 week ago)

As a Canon user with about $30K worth of their equipment they have been to me like the Toyota of P&S and compacts, so boring and I have never ever entertained the idea of one of their compact cameras, in the same way I wouldn't touch a Toyota bar the 86.

I'm not sure why they even bother with the G16, just fix the myriad of issues with the G1X, make it overall more compact, fit a good EVF and lower the price and then I might be interested in anything they have outside of a DSLR.

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JacobSR
By JacobSR (1 week ago)

Why thx1138? Was that your favorite movie or something?

0 upvotes
Greynerd
By Greynerd (1 week ago)

@bored rich person
Was 86 a good year for Toyotas? Probably wet pebbles with a dash of blackberry and camellia petals suffused with delicate oak flavours.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (1 week ago)

The car they make called the 86 is brilliant, most un-Toyota like. Best car since the Supra and GT4.

0 upvotes
Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (1 week ago)

The First impression: Hmmm this camera feels so familiar !

Dude, its a G15 + wifi ...

(Olmypus XZ-2 rocks ;) with eye-fi cards it even rocks the other rocks !)

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thejohnnerparty
By thejohnnerparty (1 week ago)

Why would Canon continue with this line up when they the G1 X platform? Why not improve that one. This one (1/1.7" sensor) makes no sense. And what about the EOS M platform? Small sensor cameras are done. That sensor size has been conceded the smart phone industry! It would seem to me that the 1" sensor is a minimum for point and shot in this day and age. Comment?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (1 week ago)

think we just need a case/housing, like a G17 that one can put in a SX120 or EOS Mini in it and maintain the same ergonomic operation, mostly for seniors.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (1 week ago)

A guess would be that a G1X with a faster lens and much more processing speed would be $1200+ and those customers would buy Fuji instead. An improved EOS M is on the way but looks like they're in no hurry.

2 upvotes
deep7
By deep7 (1 week ago)

All the G1X really needs is a better viewfinder (EVF?) and to throw away the silly folding screen. They could fix some details but nothing too serious. I continue to be amazed at the image quality from such a small (zoom lensed) camera.

0 upvotes
thejohnnerparty
By thejohnnerparty (1 week ago)

To AbrasiveReducer, I could see the price possibly moving up to $700, but I don't think it has to be pushed to $1200 to make it a top notch player in its class.

0 upvotes
David Hardaway
By David Hardaway (1 week ago)

Agree 100%. At minimum this camera should have 1 inch sensor. If they pulled the g16 and focused on g1x they would make more money. The eos m is a jewel. But not everyone has desire for interchangeable lenses. Canon would rock the market with a g1x in g16 body with skooth mp4 1080 video.

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CFynn
By CFynn (1 week ago)

Why would Canon continue with this line up? - because it still sells well.

There are not too many PowerShot cameras left that do.

0 upvotes
jkokich
By jkokich (1 week ago)

That's a pretty damn good shot of the guitarist at 12,800!

0 upvotes
skytripper
By skytripper (1 week ago)

In the comparisons between jpeg and raw, the raw images have obviously been tweaked but it appears that the jpeg images have not been. A much more meaningful comparison would be between tweaked jpeg and tweaked raw. While it's true that one can get more out of a raw image than a jpeg, jpeg's can most certainly be substantially improved with minimal tweaking.

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howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

The JPEG comes out of the camera tweaked six ways from Sunday. The RAW must have some adjustment applied in order to be viewable, but the main difference is one can choose to maintain detail in RAW post processing while the JPEG is usually aggressively smoothed to reduce noise. In addition white balance correction, tone mapping, and other changes made to RAW files can be done more effectively than changes made to an already processed JPEG file.

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inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

The point was tweaking the jpeg for a more level comparison, not how much you can tweak.
I find in practical application, especially with Camera Raw 7, jpegs can be tweaked quite a bit. The file size is a hint as to how far you can push.
File:Open As:Camera Raw for those who don't know. PS Elements 11 Camera Raw will bring up shadows just the same as PhotoShop or Lightroom as far as I know. Be sure to open in 16 bits, the latest Camera Raw 8 setting looks like a web link, I didn't want to go on the web so didn't click there until I searched the internet. It also sets to 8 bit by default. Another "What were they thinking?" The setting is at the bottom center left.

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howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

8 bits per channel is all the JPEG encodes, therefore they were thinking that they would open an 8 bit image in 8 bit color space. 8 bits per channel, meaning a total of 24 bits. RAW color is 14 bits per channel. The size of the JPEG reveals absolutely zero about how much it can be tweaked. The file size only reveals how efficiently the JPEG was compressed. For example, if you take a picture of a smooth black surface at ISO 100 your file size will be extremely small. Crank it up to ISO 3200 and your file size will increase because you have increased the noise, making compression much less efficient.
A RAW file can be processed to look exactly like the JPEG. That is by no means fair because the reason you shoot RAW is so you can choose how to edit your images without first having to deal with everything the JPEG has baked in and can not be undone. JPEG is more easily edited when all processing settings are set as low as they will go and there are still changes made.

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inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

" The size of the JPEG reveals absolutely zero about how much it can be tweaked." As it makes no difference I should reset all my cameras to the highest compression / smallest file size.

Didn't I say "hint"? Of course this is not an absolute. With similar scenes at the same ISO I believe I am correct. You can go shoot black walls all you want. The quality of compression also does indeed vary from camera to camera. For reasons of my own I almost always set the camera to the largest file size.

"A RAW file can be processed to look exactly like the JPEG." Uh, isn't that turned around bacKwards from what was intended? We want the best tweaked jpeg compared to the best tweaked RAW.

I often compare the full size least compressed jpeg to the raw when the camera will shoot raw + jpeg. If the jpeg is better I'm doing something wrong (again). I open the jpeg in DPP and compare side by side with what I (am attempting to) edit in Camera Raw.

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inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

Also editing a jpeg in 16 bit will do a better job. Try it, it shouldn't hurt. Adobe doesn't know best, they just think they do.

I use Elements because I can afford it and know the workarounds. That means I open in Camera Raw even if I do no changes there just to force 16 bit editing. I would probably go minus one or two in Clarity because it looks better to me when at 100 per cent or higher.

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inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

I apologize. I didn't think to click on the jpeg and when I did the large file came out, probably the original, I didn't check.

I opened it in Camera Raw and got nowhere with the White Balance Tool on his shirt. Then I saw a bit of white in the upper right and one click did what I thought could be done. Better but not as good as the raw as usual.

Was the camera set to AWB? If it estimated the shirt to be white this could have thrown it off. The exif seems to have been stripped (which is what I would do, my name and phone are in there for security).

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howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

I said the file size makes no difference, and that does not refer to the compression being used. Of course lowest compression with highest res is best. Did I really need to say that? Any way, no it doesn't even hint because settings like sharpening, contrast, white balance, and noise reduction don't really have a direct and predictable correlation to the file size. Detail, color variation, and other things related only to what is being photographed have a much greater impact....more detail, more color, more variation means bigger files. Anyway, I think we agree on this point. And large superfine (lowest compression) is always the way to go....or RAW.
Yes on the best of both tweaked types of files. However, the assumption is that a vast majority of the tweaking of JPEGs will be done in-camera rather than post processing the JPEG. RAW must be PP, but people want to see what the camera can do with a JPEG not what the reviewer can do in PS.

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inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

Many of my cameras will not shoot in raw or shoot too slowly in raw for some situations. I edit the jpegs in Camera Raw and they seem to me to get better. Sometimes much better.

Must I do what others do?

"I said the file size makes no difference, and that does not refer to the compression being used."

I don't understand this.

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howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

No, edit as you see fit. The file size gives no indication of how many tonal levels exist within the file to which adjustments can be made. Yes, compression level and resolution settings will change file size, but using the same compression setting and resolution setting will yield many file sizes of a very wide range. RAW files are larger because they maintain all captured data in 14 bits per channel. JPEG compresses and discards data, yielding smaller file sizes. JPEG also take advantage of patterns, so the smoother and less varied an image is the smaller the file size will be. RAW does compress data but without any loss of data...lossless compression. JPEG is lossy because it discards a great deal of data in order to achieve much greater compression. So, do as you will using your best methods. If you enjoy editing JPEG you will get better results if you turn sharpness, contrast, etc. to their lowest setting then adjust in post.

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inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

The one other subject is saving the jpeg after editing. I now save at the highest resolution. I know that I could probably not see a difference higher than 10 (Adobe) but what can the printer see?
Also I may want to do a quick edit for something I missed and at 12 I should lose less opening and saving. Storage is cheap. The edited file may be bigger than the original but that is fine with me. For cameras under 8 megapixels (love the Fuji S6000 shot in raw at ISO 100) I double the resolution right after opening from Camera Raw (x1.5 in dimensions) as they edit a little better. Fuji's software for Super CCD did that too.

0 upvotes
skytripper
By skytripper (1 week ago)

Unfortunately, it appears the the G15's wi-fi does not do the one thing that many photographers would find far more useful than uploading images to the web: It doesn't let the user control the camera from a smartphone screen (with the help of a dedicated smartphone app). It seems to me that this is the killer feature made possible by the addition of wi-fi.

3 upvotes
vapentaxuser
By vapentaxuser (1 week ago)

The starting price should stay the same as last year. I have no problem with Canon continuing on using a 1/1.7" sensor but the Sony RX line should be putting downward price pressure on cameras like the G16 and the P7800 as they represent the low end of the enthusiast compact market now. The G15 started at $500 but settled to $450 and has sold at that price for most of its lifespan. And that's the pricepoint I think the G16 should be sold at as well.

I remember when the Olympus XZ-2 came out last year, Olympus had the nerve to charge $600 for that camera to start out and I don't think that camera has sold very well as a result.

This looks like a very solid camera, but Canon needs to be a little more realistic with the MSRP.

6 upvotes
zos xavius
By zos xavius (1 week ago)

So buy a G15 now or pay the extra to be on the cutting edge. Early adopters always get the worst prices. Me, I wait till cameras are in the bargain bins or even buy used DSLRs (two of them so far) when they get insanely cheap. The k-5 I bought for 900 a year ago? Now worth $500 at best and not much more for a new copy. I'm really more than ok being a year or two behind the curve, but yeah if you need the latest and greatest and have to have it now, then better be prepared to spend a premium and companies are fully aware of this and let prices settle on their own. The pentax Q was originally $700 when it came out.

0 upvotes
randalusa
By randalusa (1 week ago)

Does it still have the worst viewfinder since the throwaway paper cameras of yesteryear? What I remember from the G12 and giving up on the series right then was a tiny plastic square with NO information inside, no focus ability, just a tunnel showing the other side of the camera that frames an approximate size of what the photo is going to be.

Now I see here and backwards one number (G15) absence of the articulating screen. Plus you're still dealing with a measly 5x zoom. Waste of an idea. At least Nikon and some others continue trying to make what photogs actually want.

What once looked like an attempt to offer a useful tool for pros (G6) now appears to be a psychology study in turning off all enthusiasm among the faithful. That way when ultimately curtailing production altogether, the CEO can tell shareholders that sales were too low. What he won't be telling anyone on that day is that money from customers walked away after investment and innovation were withdrawn by the company.

4 upvotes
Leiduowen
By Leiduowen (1 week ago)

Sorry, Canon, I've just bought a Sony RX100 II to replace my aging G9.

12 upvotes
Master Yoda
By Master Yoda (1 week ago)

If Canon ever upgrades the G1X it will kill the G15/16 and that is why we probably won't see a G1X upgrade . . . ever. The G16 has no 24mm, no articulating screen, no large sensor and no chance of being taken as seriously as this series once was taken.

4 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (1 week ago)

The marketplace decided which of the two cameras would continue to be developed. The GXX series vastly outsold the G1 X, and the G1 X was a sales flop.

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jadmaister2
By jadmaister2 (1 week ago)

whats funny about a metal body containing a full frame sensor, a viewfinder, a focusing system that works, no gimmicks and a choice of the best glass in the world?
Oh...apart from the cost.

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (1 week ago)

In a way, the G1X is like the EOS M. Serious image quality in a relatively small package and currently not that expensive. These cameras have not done well because consumers are not willing to give up convenience and "essential" features like sweep panorama, just to get better image quality.

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howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

I really, really want to see the research showing what a huge flop the G1 X was. Can I get a link? Someone? Anyone?
I don't think Canon would have invested so heavily in a new design (lens, body, sensor) just to abandon it almost immediately. A G2 X certainly would not kill its lower cost brethren. A G2 X with Dual Pixel PDAF would compete in the high-end P&S market very well, and would not necessarily invade the M or the G16 segments too deeply. It is a market segement that appeals to people with high standards for IQ but also need a self-contained, small camera. An M2 and a G2 X could easily cost the same but still appeal to two different users.
Not only that, but Canon would probably get all of the G1 X users to updgrade. Most of us love our G1 X but would gladly pay again for a big jump in AF technology. I don't think this was necessarily in Canon's play book because it did need to release the G1 X before another year of DP PDAF development went by.

5 upvotes
groucher
By groucher (1 week ago)

If Canon upgrades the G1X, they need to get rid of all the useless bloat that afflicts the current model. The forte of the G1X is its excellent image quality. This is what matters. Canon should have marketed the camera as a serious photographic tool. Canon really need to sack their marketing dept and put their engineers in charge.

2 upvotes
mcshan
By mcshan (1 week ago)

Have to agree that the G1X is terrific but too big. Make a G2X smaller and it will be a big seller.

Time for a larger sensor in the G15-16 series. We have both the G15 and the RX100 and image quality wise the Sony wins handily.

2 upvotes
howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

mcshan, the RX100 has a considerably smaller sensor than the G1 X so comparing the size of those isn't of much use. Canon has no interest in 1" sensors so far, but who knows if they might in the future. As for making the G2 X smaller, that's never going to happen. They've pushed their limits with the lens already, so making the body smaller isn't really an option.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (1 week ago)

I do not think G1x is a flop. It has been sold a very long time now. It is always in stock. I think it has a steady customer stream. Maybe not super high sales, but reliable.

The main problem with G1x is its outdated focussing. It is slow and unreliable. If it were not for that little problem, I would have bought one a long time ago.

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howardroark
By howardroark (1 week ago)

It is neither slow nor unreliable. It isn't blazing fast and in certain situations it is not as reliable as my 7D, but I have had no issues with speed or reliability when used appropriately. It can't be used in all situations like a DSLR like the 7D can. Take it from someone who did buy one a long time ago....and many, many others.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (1 week ago)

Canon must make G1X faster AF first by releasing G2x and then see what people response.
Current condition slow AF is not good for G1X

1 upvote
OBI656
By OBI656 (1 week ago)

When Canon will break "ice" and start to make serious cameras like Leica do ... I wonder ...

0 upvotes
electrophoto
By electrophoto (1 week ago)

Like Leica?

I am pretty sure you wanted to say "like Panasonic"...

(sorry, but leica has become a somewhat decadent sad joke)

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le_alain
By le_alain (1 week ago)

I tought he meant "Leica"
;)

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Konrad Lefkon
By Konrad Lefkon (1 week ago)

I've got a 'Leicanasonic' TV and it's great ;)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (1 week ago)

electrophoto:

Let's see Panasonic has nothing to do with either the M body or the Leica S system DSLR+lenses. Both are plenty serious if expensive.

Even the best Canon lenses for SLRs can't don't approach the optical quality of good Leica M lenses, or S lenses.

Then of course the Panaleica LX5 and now the LX7 are stiff competition for this Canon G16.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (1 week ago)

Interesting that Nikon and Canon are going to battle it out to see who can make the best camera with a sensor that's too small. Although I didn't care for the Sony, assuming the G16 is the same price, I'd definitely take the Sony.

Please Canon, give us an updated G1X. The image quality is already there; it just needs the computer stuff.

4 upvotes
inohuri
By inohuri (1 week ago)

Sensor that is too small for what?
This is my favorite size, small enough for deep depth of field, just big enough for quality. My A640 has too often outdone my Xsi/450D with prime Nikkor or Canon lenses especially if shot in dng raw with CHDK.

0 upvotes
Marvol
By Marvol (1 week ago)

Yeah, sensor too small? According to DPR themselves, the RX100 have sensors that are too small.

0 upvotes
mecadeus
By mecadeus (1 week ago)

It's just junk without an articulating screen. Shame on Canon.

11 upvotes
jonte0
By jonte0 (1 week ago)

But how long is it between shot and picture displayed on screen? This was a major issue with the older models.

0 upvotes
Stefan Gunnarsson
By Stefan Gunnarsson (1 week ago)

I left Canon G12 & S95 and went for Sony RX100. I am not looking back until bigger sensor.
Still happy with my Canon 7D and are awaiting 7D Mark II.

11 upvotes
Boris F
By Boris F (1 week ago)

The picture title "JPEG, ISO 3200" look like a typo error (the portrait on page 2), it is probably ISO 80.

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (1 week ago)

Thanks for spotting that. Fixed.

2 upvotes
Boris F
By Boris F (1 week ago)

Yes, it is too good to be true :)

0 upvotes
Digitall
By Digitall (1 week ago)

Spent all this time since the launch of the RX100 series, which still has no competition. RX100 series continues to be years ahead of the competition. And I say unfortunately.

13 upvotes
Leiduowen
By Leiduowen (1 week ago)

Or maybe just until RX10 comes out next month, that is.

4 upvotes
Dimit
By Dimit (1 week ago)

Small sensor compact cameras don't really have to carry a built in vf,vast number of external controls,etc,etc,i.e.being small.
Canon has the s series which have similar sized sensor and they are REALLY small.What's more in G series?..and that design?..for so long? Every single year the same and the same with minor adjustments (Canon's philosophy).
Discontinue G series,evolve Gx series!..If somebody needs i/1.7 size sensor he'll get the s120.
..Once Canon discontinues,Nikon will the P series (immense afterall!).

3 upvotes
GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (1 week ago)

Give it a 1 inch sensor - EVF and it might become relevant again, oh and a touch-screen facility would be good too - Canon are market leaders in that department.

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misha marinsky4
By misha marinsky4 (1 week ago)

I have a G1X. I won't go to a smaller chip. I live the OVF, rather than an EVF.

4 upvotes
GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (1 week ago)

I forgot about the G1X - good camera, but Canon's G-series OVF's can't compare to the latest batch of high-res EVF's with their full coverage and no tunnel-vision effect. Give them a high frame-rate and your pretty much golden, except maybe in very low light.

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (1 week ago)

The only thing the G1X has going for it is a big sensor and really high image quality. In all other respects, it's primitive.

1 upvote
rpm40
By rpm40 (1 week ago)

I think that's the way to go. Take a camera like this one, and scale it up till its big enough to cram a 1" sensor in. The size isn't the biggest issue with these as they already aren't pocketable, and the improved IQ will set them apart from cell phones.

1 upvote
gpsgps
By gpsgps (1 week ago)

G1X + twist&swivel screen (can be touch sensitive) + better battery + solid macro + brighter lens + remote flash control + tripod socket distanced from battery/card door + ISO/EXPOSURE ADJ on wheels + quick 5/10x magnified pre/after-shot focus confirmation + time-lapse + custom self-timer + more protruding grip (slightly) - and you have got a winner.

2 upvotes
Jostian
By Jostian (1 week ago)

agree with Abrasive, the G1X had brill IQ and great built but I had mine 6 months and got rid of it, the SLOOOW AF and less than stellar operational speed irritated me no end. That said, the photos it produced were awesome!

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topstuff
By topstuff (1 week ago)

I see no reason for the camera to exist while the Sony RX100 is on the market.

I can think of no possible reason to choose it. This is a good thing - it will make Canon work harder and raise their product standards.

Its gotta be said, the reasons for getting a compact camera are getting fewer and fewer, so they have to be exceptional.

13 upvotes
DanielFjall
By DanielFjall (1 week ago)

I'd pick the Canon over Sony. I would probably take better pictures with the G16 due to the ergonomic interface. It look so much more enjoyable.

5 upvotes
Raist3d
By Raist3d (1 week ago)

Ergonomics and usability. I would also pick this Canon over the Sony. In fact, I picked the Pentax Q7 over the Sony RX100 MKII. (yes, *I did try* the Sony)

7 upvotes
SWSF14
By SWSF14 (1 week ago)

Just a guess, but it exists because it outsells the RX100. It looks more "Pro" and has a cheaper price, which is what consumers in the big box stores will look at.

0 upvotes
ET2
By ET2 (1 week ago)

I am pretty sure it doesn't outsell RX100. Not even close. It's still $550 camera. The street prices of RX100 M 1 are around the same.

According to flickr stats most popular p&s camera on their site is RX100

8 upvotes
Jostian
By Jostian (1 week ago)

yip RX100 mk2 is brilliant IQ wise, but its ergonomics and price are real let downs...

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (1 week ago)

I question whether this camera merits review with so many other exciting products being introduced. Regardless, it is disappointing that cameras of this size and cost haven't migrated to at least the sensor size of the Nikon 1, RX100 cameras. Develop the GIX. This model was ready for retirement.

12 upvotes
Pitbullo
By Pitbullo (1 week ago)

Good review!
I am thinking of buying this camera to my wife for christmas. I guess it is a good choice no matter what, and she can also use my Canon flashes if she need to.

3 upvotes
Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (1 week ago)

If your wife likes a lot of buttons and knobs, yes, but if she likes a simple user interface on a small camera that takes good photos, and good video, I'd say go with the RX100 (no essential difference in street price).

3 upvotes
Pitbullo
By Pitbullo (1 week ago)

Yes, that is a good point. I do want a hotshoe, and she is quite a capable photographer. Though, the camera would spend most of its time in full auto... I´ll let her choose herself :)

0 upvotes
gtixlr8r
By gtixlr8r (1 week ago)

Compromise, compromise. I replaced a beyond repair G11 with a Nikon 7700 and miss the optical viewfinder dearly. One feature from Canon, Sony and Nikon will get my money: External controls and optical viewfinder, articulating LCD and a large sensor. Is it really too much to ask???

1 upvote
rpm40
By rpm40 (1 week ago)

This camera really should have an articulating LCD- the minimal size increase would be worth it. People aren't stuffing it in their pants pockets anyway.

The Nikon p7100 had everything you mention too (if you consider these 1/1.7 sensors large...). The Nikon p7800 looks even better, and seems like the most complete all around compact right now to me- nice IQ, good zoom range with a fairly fast lens, good controls, articulating lcd and EVF. If you can live with an EVF instead of an OVF (and they are getting much better lately and have their own inherent advantages) it could be an attractive choice. Or you could always step up to the big boy G1X.

1 upvote
Andrew Butterfield
By Andrew Butterfield (1 week ago)

A comparitive review of these two cameras would be interesting.

1 upvote
utomo99
By utomo99 (1 week ago)

I hope canon reduce the needed of the APP. and also try improve the low light photo quality

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Kwick1
By Kwick1 (1 week ago)

Since when do DP Review's reviews contain this disclaimer: "The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions held by dpreview.com or any affiliated companies. "?

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Red5TX
By Red5TX (1 week ago)

Since the Gear Shop opened, I would presume.

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R Butler
By R Butler (1 week ago)

It's there on anything written in the 'articles' section of the site, because that part of the site can also be used by external contributors and members such as yourselves, whose opinion do not necessarily...

At the moment there's no means of removing that when the content it written by dpr staff. It's been there for about two years now.

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Konrad Lefkon
By Konrad Lefkon (1 week ago)

I feel comparing this G16 with a Sony RX100M2 with the 20+MP sensor is a bit tricky. However, from the studio scene comparison in the RX100M2 review the G16 (as well as all the other cameras available in the comparison) seems to have sharper/better IQ in the corners than the Sony. For me, and don't shoot me for saying so, I'm not so convinced the Sony is the automatic choice others seem to think it is.

I'm looking forwards to seeing the Nikon P7800 with its 28-200 equivalent lens and the electronic viewfinder/movable viewfinder screen.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (1 week ago)

The Sony is a lovely camera. Looks great, lots of technology and very good image quality for it's size. As the young folks say "I wanted to like it". But the corners were soft at the wide setting. I tried two, and DPRs test chart shows the same. Obviously, this isn't a problem for most people.

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Leiduowen
By Leiduowen (1 week ago)

@AbrasiveReducer: Not for me, definitely. I love the low light capability it offers, like shooting our family Christmas dinner at the candlelight.

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Marvol
By Marvol (1 week ago)

Isn't that simply a direct function of the Sony lens having to cover a larger image circle?

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (1 week ago)

DPR wrote:
" Nikon has announced the Coolpix P7800, a camera intended fairly clearly as a 'G-series killer' "
IMHO there's already a Canon G AND Nikon P killer, called Sony RX100 MII ( even the RX100 does that ), by far.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (1 week ago)

!!!!

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rpm40
By rpm40 (1 week ago)

I don't think it's that simple. The rx100s clearly have the edge over other compacts in the IQ/size ratio, and will have the edge for low light IQ at wide angle. IQ in good light should be close enough to not make a difference, particularly with the p7700/7800s nice lens.

On the other hand, the Nikon gives you a viewfinder, better grip, better controls, and more zoom range. Plus, the lens is faster zoomed in, so the IQ should be close there in low light as well.

If size is key, and you want something pocketable, the rx100 is probably the best you can buy. If size isn't a big concern for someone, there are other alternatives that are just as good, and for many, better.

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tarmov
By tarmov (1 week ago)

Sony RX100 (and MII) are a very good sidekick pocketable choice for low light, zoom and video, while Sigma DP Merrill (any of the 3) is for the ultimate picture quality.

I don't see any Canon models as useful any more in such a combo mix, although I still admire the workhorse strengths (and the chdk upgrades) of Canon A610.

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Jostian
By Jostian (1 week ago)

pity about the RX100 mk2's crappy ergonomics though, EVERY review has mentioned this, the inability to 'connect' with the camera, its feels "sterile" to use... produces great results yes but as engaging as watching paint dry! that non clickable front ring is one example, its feels horrible, no tangible feedback at all...as a photographic too no thanks as a great P&S fine!

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Simon97
By Simon97 (1 week ago)

This is a great travel camera when used outdoors or where you can keep the ISO's low. I have to agree with those who say that the price of admission is a bit too much when you consider what else is out there these days.

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h2k
By h2k (1 week ago)

I think in a list of "Key Features" you should mention whether the screen is tiltable or not - it used to be signature feature of many G-PowerShots and was missed when a G model came without a vari-angle screen (which is essential for composing more varying images).

I think mentioning this feature (or the absence of it) is even more useful in this article here where the pictures close to the "Key Features" don't reveal the kind of monitor built into the G16 (aware that i can use the provided link to the press release).

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SWSF14
By SWSF14 (1 week ago)

Agreed about the mentioning of tilting screen. It would seem that whoever ok'd this article has very little actual experience with this lineup. Puzzling as this range has been relevant for a long time.

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (1 week ago)

Hopefully I am going to start traveling again next month. I have been looking at small cameras. But when I see the sensor of the rx100 II against this or the gs15. Right now I think I am going with the Sony?

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tokajilover
By tokajilover (1 week ago)

I do like the pictures from the RX100, yes i really do.
maybe, i am a highly "haptical guy", but the longer i have it - the less i like it.
The Grip is a shame, it is slippery as it gets (i glued anti-slippery stickers arround) and the programmed user interface imho is not helping the photographer.
the filming-button is so close to were the thumb has to grip the camera that i started unintentionally many "films" - sometimes i wanted to take a pic but i was allready filming.

from the using point, imho the canon is sublime, and yes, unfortunately (maybe intendet) the canaon delivers less good pictures (manly in less perfect lighting situation witch in my case is 70% of the pics i take)

summary i use today the sony but really love to get a canon g16.
newer owned both at the same time, so newer had the momently coice - but that would be interesting - for witch % would i had chose wich camera.
my guess is the canon.

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mcshan
By mcshan (1 week ago)

@toka, We have the G15 and original RX100. The ergonomics of the Canon are better BUT to me image quality tops the list and images from the Sony are much better.

Canon needs to take a look at sensor size.

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AlexBakerPhotoz
By AlexBakerPhotoz (1 week ago)

These cameras are really nice but there are getting to be so many new small pocketable cameras with significantly larger sensors that I can't picture a serious enthusiast buying one in this category anymore. I'm in the market for a new small camera to have with me all the time instead of my bulky DSLRs, but am tilting to the 1" or APS-C sensor small cameras now available for not too much more $$.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

You don't need to picture it- they are buying them. That's the reality despite our personal wish lists. Canon wouldn't produce them if they weren't buying, or for that matter Nikon, or Panasonic, or Leica, or or or or or

I'm not coming to their defense, the big sensor of the RX100II is nice, but it comes at a cost. Everything comes at a cost.

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Gesture
By Gesture (1 week ago)

Exactly.

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DFPanno
By DFPanno (1 week ago)

Insightful.

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mcshan
By mcshan (1 week ago)

Indeed.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (1 week ago)

The 1080p @ 60 FPS would be a great addition if it actually had anywhere near that resolvable resolution. When zoomed in the video looks fairly detailed. When zoomed out it looks more like 480p than 1080p.

Still a good camera though. Price is a bit high at launch but I am sure it will come down.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (1 week ago)

This looks like a nice camera, and it will probably be a perfect choice for some.

But personally I don't find any compelling reason to select one of these over it's rivals. The RX100 is smaller and has better IQ. The LX7 is smaller and cheaper. The EPM2 has much better IQ and you can swap lenses. The Nikon 1 is even a better choice, as far as I am concerned.

I just find it too big, too expensive, and too limited in what it can do. However, I feel the G1 X is a very compelling camera, due to the much larger sensor.

The Canon G series are still nice cameras, that seem to everything fairly wekll, but they are pretty much like your father's Oldsmobile. However, for many people this will still be the perfect camera.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

How about for many, I bet Canon sell more G15/16s than any other maker combined for this class of camera. RX100/100II is also in a different class, it's the size of the S110/120 cameras, but it's also heavier than the G15. Weight matters at times, especially when in the pocket. It can be the size of a dime but if it weighs like a paperweight.....

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (1 week ago)

In good light especially for outdoor photos on travel vacation, a camera like G15/16 is fast at AF and takes decent enough photos, is lightweight with collapsible lens to fit in small pouch. Exactly what my wife would want over a ILC larger lens mirrorless. Myself, I would own both mirrorless ILC/CSC and a advanced compact camera like this one, and I do.

For a less important social / family / travel walkabout this is plenty good enough image quality especially for family photos. I will bring my DSLR (or maybe CSC mirrorless) along when the best quality is needed or AF speed. Who owns only one camera if they are an enthusiast these days?

Top cameras for advanced compacts: G15/16 or P7800 or LX7 in my opinion for the lightest to carry with decent length zoom. I imagine some pros or semi pros still buy these cameras in addition to owning other cameras.

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Marcos Villaroman
By Marcos Villaroman (1 week ago)

As a long time Canon fanboy, the G series of cameras are instantly recognizable to me. But, these days I find I want a more pocketable small camera or if I have to lug it around in a small camera bag if I am settling for small sensor. So I'd be looking for a RX100 III (with hopefully improved ergonomics) or a LX7 for now.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (1 week ago)

High-end 1/1.7" sensor cameras may seem like a dated concept, but as long as people keep buying them, Canon and Nikon will keep making them.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

You nailed that one to the wall. Exactly.

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franzel
By franzel (1 week ago)

No fully articulating display, no thanks .

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DFPanno
By DFPanno (1 week ago)

I'll keep my RX100 thanks.

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SergioMO
By SergioMO (1 week ago)

Me too !

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Allen Yang
By Allen Yang (1 week ago)

What if this Canon G16 is 150 bucks cheaper than your Sony RX100?

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NIK11
By NIK11 (1 week ago)

DPRE says G16 has the same sensor as G15.

Canon UK says it's a (new) BSI version (Sony anyone?). Can someone from DPRE please confirm which is correct?

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

Good question...

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R Butler
By R Butler (1 week ago)

We checked with Canon USA and they're saying it's definitely the same as the one in the G15.

However, Canon UK's website is still stating BSI CMOS.

Our article has been amended to reflect this inconsistency.

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BeaniePic
By BeaniePic (1 week ago)

Love my G15, One of the Best Small Format cameras I've ever used. The G16 looks like a Great camera. I won't need to upgrade but am so pleased that Canon do what they do and hope they continue at the pace they do it. Thumbs Up!!!

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Jogger
By Jogger (1 week ago)

Probably a score of 65 and a DPR GOLD Award.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

Probably not a score of 65, and the G15 got gold. Since the G16 isn't much different it probably will get a gold award. I certainly give the G15 my equivalent of one.

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Photato
By Photato (1 week ago)

The originals G1, G2 had a 3X lens.
That, with a larger sensor, say 2/3" or 1" would have made this a more compelling product.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

Likely the G17/18 may be that step, but the G15/16's super fast lens, excellent range, and very very good sensor translate into good to great shots made in almost any circumstance. Spec shoppers can nitpick the G15/G16 to death, but those that USE it know it's not far off on IQ from any of the major competition out there including cameras with larger sensors.

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Photato
By Photato (1 week ago)

Nope, the G16 pics are meh.
The zoom range needs to scale back and the sensor has to grow if you want higher quality pictures.
These days some phones have larger sensors.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

Larger sensors and lessor IQ. I'm not saying I'm not for larger sensors, but no lunch is free. Keeping the lens speed fast and zoom range useable becomes more and more difficult for a compact camera the larger the sensor. A 2/3" sized sensor may be the next logical step for Canon since the G1X already has an almost APS-C sized sensor in it - the largest of its class.

Period.

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (1 week ago)

The emergence of CSC has made tweener cameras like the Canon G16 and Nikon P7800 increasingly irrelevant.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

That might be true but to what margin? That is key. If companies are producing serious compacts at a rate far greater than in the past (before CSC) one has to consider by just how much they are making them irrelevant- obviously the are selling and in demand.

Personally, a camera like the G15/16/RX100II is much more appealing for a compact solution given the range and speed of lenses and overall IQ- not to mention how compact they are in comparison to m4/3 cameras etc.

Body only, they are similar, soon as you add a lens, m4/3 cameras lose the compact advantage in most cases- and in all cases if you try to match the focal length equivalent. Try finding a 28-140mm f/1.8-2.8 lens for a CSC, any brand, and reply. Good luck to you!

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TacticDesigns
By TacticDesigns (1 week ago)

Probably true to us camera junkies . . . but you have to admit that its a pretty solid offering . . . If someone was asking you what camera to get and they didn't want to get into changing lenses . . . this would probably be one of the cameras you'd tell them to check out . . . :)

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Thomas Gutjahr
By Thomas Gutjahr (1 week ago)

I'm currently travelling with a nikon v2, which is much lighter can a DSLR with an equivalent lens attached. Once operational (after startup or wakeup), focusing in bright light is fast - faster compared to a cpmpact. CSC and compact share relatively slow wakeup and startup. Compacts, however, are much lighter and portable. Do each system has its pros and cons and users need to decide what suitable to them.

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Thomas Gutjahr
By Thomas Gutjahr (1 week ago)

I'm currently travelling with a nikon v2, which is much lighter than a DSLR with an equivalent lens attached. Once operational (after startup or wakeup), focusing in bright light ins fast - faster compared to a cpmpact. CSC and compact share relatively slow wakeup and startup. Compacts, however, are much lighter and portable. So each system has its pros and cons and users need to decide what suitable to them.

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (1 week ago)

To Thomas: this G16 claims to be faster AF speed or less lag time than previously. Not all compacts are the same. Depends on processor and other factors. Many new CSCs (like new Olympus and Panasonic models) now have very fast AF and okay startup. Bit slower AF in very low light though because of contrast detect focus.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (1 week ago)

Pity there is no remote control of the camera via wifi as with 70D and 6D.
Why does Canon cripple its lesser models like this?

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SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (1 week ago)

I hope SX60 will be more exciting.

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tomasson88
By tomasson88 (1 week ago)

I hope there will be a sx60 HS...

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Infared
By Infared (1 week ago)

Why?
..and its ugly.
ya know...Canon has been off the mark a LOT these days.
This situation kind of reminds me of RIM/Blackberry...of course it should be RINM.
Research (Not) In Motion.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

The G15 is not off the mark- it's a fine fine camera. How can Canon be off the mark when they are the world leader in camera sales? I ask that, not accusatory, but with pure curiosity as to how you come to that conclusion.

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Red5TX
By Red5TX (1 week ago)

General Motors used to be the world leader in automobile sales, but they eventually lost sight of what matters, became less competitive, etc. It can happen to anybody. Just ask Microsoft.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

Of course it can, I'm not denying that. But Canon haven't slipped from the top spot- not in a very long time. And still are there. Every year I hear comments like this, and every year Canon still stay #1. This has been since 2001. I'm not saying they can't fall, I'm saying they haven't and whatever they are doing is working. Their products are mature products that don't offer gimmicktry in most circumstances, more calculated progressive designs- apparently that works.

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Hachu21
By Hachu21 (1 week ago)

cgarrard, did you heard about the M success? I think we can call that a fail from Canon. And the mirorless market is not a niche anymore.

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Eleson
By Eleson (1 week ago)

@cgarrard, does their market position say anything about the cameras qualities?

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

Were we talkign about the M only here? Oh we were? I thought we were talking about Canon's success. One failure in many successes does not an "off the mark lately" make. Lets not exaggerate the truth. Fact is that Canon is doing very well, and that cannot be contradicted, no matter how many times you claim it. Fact is a fact I'm afraid.

@eleson, apparently it does to a vast majority if they are making and selling more than any other maker. To you, probably not, but you don't represent the entire camera market.

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wlad
By wlad (1 week ago)

yawn, another 6 months, another irrelevant "professional" P&S...

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massimogori
By massimogori (1 week ago)

I noticed the size of the wi-fi logo. Is it aimed at visually impaired people?

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wlad
By wlad (1 week ago)

my guess is that it's the only difference between G16, and the previous version, so they decided to make the logo so prominent

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JWIS206
By JWIS206 (1 week ago)

I suspect the WI-FI logo is just a sticker that can easily be removed. That's the way it was on my SX280 HS.

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steelhead3
By steelhead3 (1 week ago)

I wonder if this will be the last camera of this type from Canon; it seems like we are reading about newest and greatest from 2005.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (1 week ago)

The G6 (from 2004) had an F2.0 lens; the G16 doesn’t.

The G7 (from 2005) had an F2.8 lens and didn’t shoot raw.

There wasn’t a G series release in 2005.

But that 2004 version sure had a faster lens than the G16.

Somehow I'd bet it's not the last from Canon in this series.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (1 week ago)

@HowaboutRAW- Sorry that's wrong. The G15 and G16 have an f/1.8-2.8 range, the G6 had a f/2-f/3 range. The zoom range on the lens was also less, especially on the wide end.

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BeaniePic
By BeaniePic (1 week ago)

HowaboutRAW should read before commenting. This is the fastest G serious camera ever. i use the G15 which is the same. Stunningly fast and accurate...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (1 week ago)

cgarrard:

Yes, I was wrong about the F-stop. I shouldn't have gone by my memory of the other later Gs.

BeaniePic:

Look up the meaning of fast.

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panamforeman
By panamforeman (1 week ago)

Still and all I see very little reason to upgrade to the G16. It is/will be a great camera. I have the G15 and think it is a great camera, but I don't see the dramatic difference in the two. The only way I would upgrade is if the IQ is "significantly" improved and the low-light performance is "much" better. And that's saying a lot since the G15 is outstanding in those two categories.
Interesting & dramatic changes coming next year? G2X?? G17?

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BeaniePic
By BeaniePic (1 week ago)

Hi HowaboutRaw. No need for me to look up the meaning. When I bought my G15 it out preformed, Sony, Olympus and Fufi when I tested them. Haven't look back since. :)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (1 week ago)

BeaniePic:

Sure looks like you need to look up the term.

And no a G15 doesn't outperform generally Sony, Olympus or [Fifi]. The G15 may do better than some of those companies' cameras. After all the Panasonic LX7 and the Samsung EX2F, at least when wide, will always be faster than the Canon G15.

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Zigmont
By Zigmont (1 week ago)

I use cameras like these to cover trade shows; much easier to carry than my old Nikon D200 or D70, plus I need the video recording feature.

I've been using a Nikon P7000 and P7700 but still not happy with their speed or the 30fps video, I need fast reflexes when grabbing trade show shots. So this Canon may be just what I need, thanks for the preview.

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