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The same but different: Nikon announces Coolpix P7800 with EVF

By dpreview staff on Sep 5, 2013 at 04:00 GMT

Nikon has announced the Coolpix P7800, which sits at the top of its compact camera lineup, replacing last year's P7700 as flagship zoom camera. The P7800 is extremely similar to its nominal predecessor, the most notable change being the addition of an electronic viewfinder.

For those with a short memory, P-series cameras prior to the P7700 had optical viewfinders. The P7700 got rid of that entirely, but gave users a fully articulating LCD in exchange. On the Coolpix P7800 the viewfinder has returned, in electronic form. The EVF has 921,000 dots and covers 100% of the frame.

Other specifications are more or less unchanged compared to the P7700. The camera is built around a 28-200mm (equivalent) F2-4 zoom lens, and features a fully-articulating rear LCD screen, and has plenty of manual control and exposure options, at an MSRP of $549.99.

The Nikon Coolpix P7800's key selling points compared to arch-competitor Canon PowerShot G16 are its fully-articulated rear LCD screen and 921k-dot electronic viewfinder. In most other important respects, the P7800 is close to identical to its predecessor, the P7700. 

We had an opportunity to use a pre-production P7800 recently, and our overall impression was positive. From a handling point of view the new camera is extremely similar to its predecessor, with the only major differences being the new viewfinder and the lack of a Quick Control dial, which was removed to make room for the EVF. This, coupled with the fully-articulated rear LCD makes the P7800 a potentially attractive option for anyone looking to step up from a more basic point and shoot, or as a second body alongside an entry-level DSLR. Canon's PowerShot G16 offers neither, and its imprecise tunnel-type optical finder is a poor substitute. What the G16 does offer though is advanced built-in Wi-Fi functions and speedy performance with impressively responsive AF.

We haven't used a final shipping sample of the P7800 yet, but we understand that its processor is unchanged compared to the P7700. As such, we worry that the P7800 might share its predecessor's relatively slow operation when shooting Raw files - with anything other than a fast, recent UHS-I SD card, at any rate. Obviously, though, we'll be curious to see how the P7800 performs when we get hold of a final shipping sample. 

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Press Release:

ELEGANT PRECISION, ELITE PERFORMANCE: THE NIKON COOLPIX P7800 HELPS EFFORTLESSLY CAPTURE STUNNING IMAGES WITH CONFIDENCE AND CONTROL

MELVILLE, N.Y. (September 5, 2013) – Today, Nikon Inc. announced the COOLPIX P7800, the latest addition to Nikon’s Advanced Performance COOLPIX lineup that offers Nikon’s optical excellence and versatile high-performance features in a portable, compact body. Equipped with both automatic and advanced features, the P7800 presents a high-powered and intuitive option for those who want superior image quality and performance, without sacrificing creative control. Packed with innovative features, including a large 12.2-megapixel CMOS sensor, a fast maximum aperture f/2.0 lens and new electronic viewfinder, the P7800 captures images and HD video with elegance and precision, even in difficult low-light shooting scenarios.

“This addition to the Advanced Performance COOLPIX series affirms Nikon’s commitment to integrating our storied optical legacy into powerful yet compact cameras,” said Bo Kajiwara, Vice President of Marketing, Planning and Customer Experience, Nikon Inc. “The new COOLPIX P7800 will allow photographers of every level to explore their photographic potential while capturing top-class images and Full HD video.”

Elite Performance and Optics

The COOLPIX P7800 sports a large 1/1.7-inch 12.2-megapixel backside-illuminated CMOS sensor and a versatile 7.1x zoom range (28-200mm equivalent). This combination ensures the capture of stunning images and Full HD video in a variety of difficult shooting environments. Whether shooting portraits, landscapes or documenting the family vacation, the P7800 is the ideal compact camera for almost any occasion.

Low-light performance is bolstered by a blazing fast f/2.0-4.0 glass lens that lets more light in, allowing the user to shoot with faster shutter speeds, and providing sharper results, even without the flash. Additionally, lens-shift Vibration Reduction (VR) in the lens helps create consistently steady and clear shots when shooting handheld, even while moving. For moments when speed is of the essence, the COOLPIX P7800 also features extremely fast continuous shooting, at 8 frames-per-second (fps) for up to six shots, allowing the user to be ready for every memorable, fleeting moment. 

The camera is also capable of pristine Full HD 1080p video recording with stereo sound. While recording, the P7800 allows effortless optical zoom and presents several in-camera special effects as well as manual controls affording incredible video potential.

Controlled Precision for Every User

The Nikon COOLPIX P7800 presents a portable, practical and powerful compact camera option for the casual or advanced shooter looking to capture photos with precision and confidence. For capturing a fast moving soccer match or documenting the family vacation, a variety of useful scene and shooting modes are at the user’s disposal to help custom tailor the camera’s settings for a number of different shooting situations. An intuitive menu and external control system make it easy to navigate and control with ease.

For more advanced users who seek the ultimate in creative freedom, the COOLPIX P7800 offers complete creative controls that afford any photographer the ability to customize every shot. The P7800 is equipped with full manual controls (P,S,A,M) and the ability to capture RAW files, enabling the user to capture and edit uncompressed images. Styled in a classic design with a litany of external analog controls and mode dials for convenient access, this potent compact camera provides the uncompromising control that enthusiasts and professionals covet, clearing the way for the capture of beautiful images and Full HD video. Much like other Advanced Performance COOLPIX offerings, the P7800 is also compatible with many Nikon accessories, including Speedlights and external GPS units.

Capture and Share with Ease

Framing unique and accurate shots is streamlined with the addition of a new high-resolution eye-level electronic viewfinder (EVF) that makes shooting, even in bright sunlight, enjoyable and easy. More creative composition perspectives are possible with the use of a versatile high-resolution 3-inch Vari-Angle LCD screen that can help frame anything from dynamic overhead shots to low-point-of-view macro photos as well as great candid photos of kids and pets.

When using the optional WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter*, users can easily shoot and share via Wi-Fi® to compatible smartphones or tablets. Pairing with the free downloadable Wireless Mobile Utility application*, the WU-1a enables the seamless transfer of images and videos for easy sharing and viewing with friends and family.

Price and Availability

The Nikon COOLPIX P7800 will be available in September 2013 for a suggested retail price (SRP) of $549.95**. For more information about this COOLPIX camera or other Nikon products, please visit www.nikonusa.com.

In order to give consumers a more effective way to understand the benefits of each COOLPIX camera and to help users determine the best camera to fit their lifestyle, Nikon has segmented the COOLPIX series into five categories: Advanced Performance, Fun & Innovative, Ultra-Slim Zoom, Comfort Long Zoom and Budget Friendly. For more information about this and other COOLPIX cameras, please visit www.nikonusa.com.  

*WI-FI SPECIFICATIONS AND COMPATIBILITY 

This camera’s Wi-Fi® capability using the WU-1a Wireless Mobile Adapter can only be used with a compatible iPhone®, iPad®, and/or iPod touch® or smart devices running on the Android™ operating system. The Wireless Mobile Utility application must be installed on the device before it can be used with this camera. For compatibility and to download the application, please visit: 

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**SRP (Suggested Retail Price) listed only as a suggestion. Actual prices are set by dealers and are subject to change at any time.

Specifications, equipment and release dates are subject to change without any notice or obligation on the part of the manufacturer.

Nikon Coolpix P7800 specifications

Price
MSRP$549.95
Body type
Body typeCompact
Sensor
Max resolution4000 x 3000
Other resolutions3264 x 2448, 2272 x 1704, 1600 x 1200, 640 x 480, 3984 x 2656 (3:2), 3968 x 2232 (16:9), 3000 x 3000 (1:1)
Image ratio w:h1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels12 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors13 megapixels
Sensor size1/1.7" (7.44 x 5.58 mm)
Sensor typeBSI-CMOS
Image
White balance presets7
Custom white balanceYes (2)
Image stabilizationOptical
Uncompressed formatRAW
File format
  • JPEG Exif 2.3
  • NRW (RAW)
Optics & Focus
Focal length (equiv.)28–200 mm
Optical zoom7.1×
Maximum apertureF2.0 - F4.0
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
Autofocus assist lampYes
Digital zoomYes (4x)
Manual focusYes
Normal focus range50 cm (19.69)
Macro focus range5 cm (1.97)
Number of focus points99
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFully articulated
Screen size3
Screen dots921,000
Touch screenNo
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic
Viewfinder coverage100%
Viewfinder resolution921,000
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed60 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Program (P)
  • Shutter-priority (S)
  • Aperture priority (A)
  • Manual (M)
  • Movie
  • Scene
  • Effects
  • User 1/2/3
  • Auto
Scene modes
  • Back Light
  • Beach
  • Black and White Copy
  • Close Up
  • Dusk/Dawn
  • Easy Panorama
  • Fireworks Show
  • Food
  • Landscape
  • Museum
  • Night Landscape
  • Night Portrait
  • Party/Indoor
  • Pet Portrait
  • Portrait
  • Scene Auto Selector
  • Snow
  • Sports
  • Sunset
Built-in flashYes (Pop-up)
Flash range10.00 m
External flashYes (via hot-shoe or wireless)
Continuous drive8 fps
Self-timerYes (10 or 2 seconds)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV steps)
WB BracketingYes
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 (25p, 30p), 1280 x 720 (30p); high-speed: 1920 x 1080 (15 fps), 1280 x 720 (60 fps), 640 x 480 (120 fps)
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage included86 MB
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (Mini)
WirelessOptional
Wireless notesvia WU-1a
Remote controlYes
Physical
Environmentally sealedNo
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionNikon EN-EL14 Lithium-Ion & charger
Battery Life (CIPA)350
Weight (inc. batteries)399 g (0.88 lb / 14.07 oz)
Dimensions119 x 78 x 50 mm (4.69 x 3.07 x 1.97)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
Timelapse recordingYes
GPSOptional
GPS notesvia GP-1A

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Comments

Total comments: 268
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munro harrap
By munro harrap (6 months ago)

People will buy machines because the results are good. I do not mind slow, because , from long experience with a Sony R1-which is slow, slow is relative to what, exactly? If you can only shoot a few RAW files in sucession and then have to wait for the buffer to clear, well, the Canon 1DS Mk 1 is like that. If you know what you are doing this machine is ideal for practically everything except very big enlargements-if the quality of these samples is anything to go by.The viewfinder is the selling point here-as you are getting a very nice 100% accurate view from 28-200mm, and with the secure grip and IS, well, that is more than every 20th Century photographer ever had, muppets. Oh, and you have video too, and can change formats. Of course the sticking point will be shutter lag- the only slow that matters

Have you looked at how good the samples are? Yummy, except for the fringing on one shot that NX2 removes most of, I am impressed

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BorneoMan
By BorneoMan (7 months ago)

I have to agree that the interface is slow by todays standard especially when you opt to save RAW files as well. Not sure using a faster SD card will make a difference. But I use the P7700 mainly for video making and it's the best IMHO camera with full manual video control under point and shoot category.

I went to Bali recently and the results was satisfactory after editing and uploading it on Youtube!

0 upvotes
PlainOrFancy
By PlainOrFancy (7 months ago)

Fair enough, if you want the viewfinder, this is an upgrade. I've used the P7700 for half a year now, and my favorite feature is the so-called Quick Control dial; I use it all the time to set sensitivity and custom picture modes. I'm sure trading in the dial for the VF was a hard decision for Nikon to make. For me, this new iteration isn't as desirable a compact camera.

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0 upvotes
IEBA1
By IEBA1 (7 months ago)

I reviewed the P7700 and sent it back (instead of buying it) because I just couldn't deal with the slow interface. Slow compared to anything else I used. Slow meaning you have to wait after every action. Slow meaning, if you lie to move slow, it's fine, but if you use and are used to using any other piece of electronics today, the P7700 was notably slow.

So they update the camera and keep the slow?

Ugh.

1 upvote
Sean Nelson
By Sean Nelson (7 months ago)

Yet another promising Nikon camera that I have to exclude from consideration because they didn't bother implementing 1080p60 video. Only Sony and Panasonic seem to be getting this right...

0 upvotes
MistyB
By MistyB (7 months ago)

I have (as well as having owned the G12) the P7700 and am quite happy with it. I was wondering if the inclusion of the EVF viewfinder will mean that the battery will give more shots when not using the flip out LCD.

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (7 months ago)

These samples do look very nice:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/p/p7800/sample.htm

Hmm...

3 upvotes
beavertown
By beavertown (7 months ago)

Photos from Nikon, they cheated.

1 upvote
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (7 months ago)

Wow, a 1/1.7-inch sensor and a zoom lens that starts at 28mm. And we are supposed to be impressed by these, or what? Has Nikon heard of Sony, Fujifilm, etc?

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (7 months ago)

Sony and Fujifilm? The RX100 and X20 both "start at 28mm" and "end" well before 200mm of the P7700/P7800.

Sensor size, the majority of compact camera users could not care less if IQ is good. And IQ with the P7700 was class leading.

5 upvotes
Ken Aisin
By Ken Aisin (7 months ago)

This is what the P7700 should have been.

5 upvotes
Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (7 months ago)

I agree. This is a very nice camera. I want this camera, but with a 24-200 zoom. Im tried of having to choose between reach or 24mm.

Soon enough someone will make a camera with everything. Even a fast, sharp 24-120 zoom would do. Im hopeful of the XZ-3 or LX6 if there is one.

They are getting closer though!

0 upvotes
tonitoni
By tonitoni (7 months ago)

I was so looking forward to this update. How in the world did they still not add a direct video button?

One little red button - could it be so hard?

As for the EVF, I know that depending on the refresh rate, it could be great or not - will have to wait and see.

I have been patiently waiting for an upgrade to my point and shoot - looks like P7900 perhaps?

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johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (7 months ago)

I am hoping the FN button can be assigned for recording video.. like a red record video button...
or maybe we will need to wait for the P7900 LOL

0 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (7 months ago)

You could just go check it out now at any camera shop, no waiting necessary. EVFs nowadays are pretty awesome, and Nikon seems to have learned the philosophy of user-specified Fn buttons. Personally I'm glad they didn't clutter the thing with a video button, but that's just my own preference. Straight-laced company like Nikon knows both of us exist and has probably made a customizable Custom Function for some button that will make us both happy. Seriously, if you want a new camera go check it out.
While you're at it, try the new Canon G16 alongside it, I'm sure something there will either reinforce your pre-conceived opinions or make you realize Sony is putting all this sh¡t together the same.

0 upvotes
showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (7 months ago)

Waiting for a full review, here are some thoughts about this camera. I often use pro-level APS-C and M4/3 camera systems but carry my Canon G12 with me almost everywhere I go and manage to regularly take some good pics often in tough conditions. As found by imaging resource, shooting Raw up to ISO400 I get top quality 16x20" prints (which I sell on a regular base). Quality for web publication and PowerPoint presentations (I teach) is great. IQ-wise, the P7800 should be similar. Do you need to take action and high ISO pictures? Do you need to print at fine-art quality larger than 16x20"? If yes, this camera is not for you. For general travel, landscape, nature, moderate macro and family photography, these cameras are a marvel of technology with very convenient size, weight and price. Many pros use them and I cannot explain why more amateurs don't. By maintaining the articulated LCD, sporting a longer, brighter lens and adding a decent EVF, the P7800 could be a truly worthy upgrade.

8 upvotes
mosc
By mosc (7 months ago)

1/1.7" f2.0 ISO 400 is just too dark man, indoors that just won't cut it without a flash.

1 upvote
Chuckmet
By Chuckmet (7 months ago)

"1/1.7" f2.0 ISO 400 is just too dark man, indoors that just won't cut it without a flash." too dark? what does that mean? indoors, where? image stabilization gives you addl 2-3 stops. Did you actually read the comment, no, it's not for every situation but for the majority of normal situations cameras of this genre work well.

1 upvote
richard cohen
By richard cohen (7 months ago)

There is a limited market for cameras such as this. The nikon comes close but doesn't quite make it imo..the lens is best in class and now with articulating screen and evf that is also something the competition does not offer, but to date the nikons have been relatively bad performers for some reason. It is not like nikon doesn't know how to make fast a/f and generally snappy performing cameras, but for some reason they have not been willing or able to do so with their high end p series.

For me the perfect p camera would be the same lens and screens as 7800 with performance as fast as canon g series and wireless. That would be a great camera. Still too many compromises with the 7800.

1 upvote
Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (7 months ago)

Yeah, this is so last decade's, its not even funny.

0 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

I find it so funny to see those small "wanna be a big one" cameras, loaded with buttons and wheels, and a nitty bitty sensor in them. Just ask myself why they are so big. In that body, Nikon could with easy have installed a 1 sensor. It would, at least, have become an interesting camera.

5 upvotes
whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (7 months ago)

And it would demolish the sales of their Nikon 1 system!
Nikon ain't going to do that..

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

But how big and heavy 28-200mm eq. f/2-f/4 lens would be on 1"? It would not be a compact camera anymore.

5 upvotes
mr_landscape
By mr_landscape (7 months ago)

Absolutely useless camera. Who needs all these millions of options on a camera with such tiny sensor. Nikon lives in a stone age. This model line is a 100% dead end.

7 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

And, slightly bigger than an NEX 7, thus not that pocket friendly.

0 upvotes
M DeNero
By M DeNero (7 months ago)

Retracting lens = quite a bit more compact than Nex7. Neither is pocketable, except for big jacket pocket.

3 upvotes
showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (7 months ago)

I use a number of different cameras including an absolutely useless Canon G12. I participate in fine art and gallery shows and regularly sell G12 open edition12x16" prints mounted and matted in 16x20" for $75.00 a piece. I guess you are going to tell me that this only happens because my clients are a bunch of idiots and don't understand what a caveman of a photographer I am.

9 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (7 months ago)

These "advanced P&S" cameras seem to be popular and sell well, but I sometimes wonder if all the buttons are there simply to satisfy the ego of the button pushers...

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (7 months ago)

it's interesting that Canon premium P&S got a Nikon style front dial (that's mostly horizontal), while Nikon got a Canon style one (almost vertical).

1 upvote
Clyde Thomas
By Clyde Thomas (7 months ago)

Another camera listed without a flash sync speed. Come on DPReview... that's very basic important info for togs to know.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (7 months ago)

1/2000s if the same sensor as P7700 using electronic shutter.

1 upvote
JRFlorendo
By JRFlorendo (7 months ago)

Slow response + slow AF + slow glass + slow EVF = even slower P&S, sorry but I'm not buying this EVF gimmick!

3 upvotes
tommy leong
By tommy leong (7 months ago)

think the lag will be in the EVF too

0 upvotes
M DeNero
By M DeNero (7 months ago)

Yep, cause these types of cameras are often used wide open and for action! This is a great little camera.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (7 months ago)

I think these chunky P&S are for seniors who are slow.

0 upvotes
SRHEdD
By SRHEdD (7 months ago)

I JUST sold my P7700 to try the P330. I figured no viewfinder, might as well be smaller. I'm SO in on this one, the P7700 gave me great pics!

2 upvotes
johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (7 months ago)

So this is what most of us wanted the P series nikon coolpix to be in the first place.. Okay I am happy that this P7800 is a reality....

Now... I hope the next iteration.. It will start at 24mm-200mm, the EVF will have at least 1.2 or 1.3 million pixels just like the V1 or higher res :-)..

And maybe have a silver version (top plate) to make it look like a retro rangefinder camera :-). The current body styling is okay now.. But a little silver may not be a bad thing.. Maybe.. :-)

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australopithecus
By australopithecus (7 months ago)

It's the 24mm that I'm waiting for. Had a CP8400 for years, slow but the 24 was wonderful.

1 upvote
utomo99
By utomo99 (7 months ago)

I wish they start from 24mm it will be better.

the WiFi, is optional WU 1A ? I wish they make it built in

1 upvote
thomo
By thomo (7 months ago)

That's really great Nikon - but why didn't you bring out the EVF on the P7700! I'm an avid Nikon user (7 DSLRs) but just bought a Canon G15 because it had a darned viewfinder and the P7700 didn't! Jeeeez

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white shadow
By white shadow (7 months ago)

I know how you are feeling. Just too bad your darling of so many sentimental years didn't listen until now. You have got yourself a new girlfriend and she maybe not perfect too.

Cei La Vie!

1 upvote
justmeMN
By justmeMN (7 months ago)

Hey Nikon, quit trying to annoy Canon, by adding features! (grin) It makes the G16 feel sad...

4 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (7 months ago)

Why buy this over the V2? Just to get a longer zoom range and slightly better portability? You sacrifice a lot.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (7 months ago)

You do, but this camera is considerably cheaper.

2 upvotes
Nightwings
By Nightwings (7 months ago)

HEY NOW!!!!!!!

Best 7 gram upgrade in Nikon Camera history!

I KNEW if I whined and b****ed enough Nikon would listen to me and put a viewfinder back on these P7XX bundles of joy! SWEEEEEEETT. LOL /jk

It sports a beautiful 921K EVF. And guess what folks? SAME physical dimensions as the P7700. The only weight difference is +7 grams! To put that in perspective, that's 2 sheets of normal bond paper :)

EDIT

Huh??? It DOESN'T come in beige with black striping? Sorry ... NO SALE!
KIDDING! :P

Thanks for listening to your loyal customer base Nikon ... This little puppy will complement my D7K quite nicely.

Now PLEASE......... for petes sake .... put a HOT SHOE and RAW support on the P530..... in that order. ;)

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Crac1
By Crac1 (7 months ago)

Crac1

First, forgive me for my bad English.
I appreciate your site, I followed its development in recent years. Often using your tests as a reference.
I am amazed at the lack of common sense shown in the announcement of the new Nikon Coolpix P7800.
What criteria do you use to make your first comment?
Why do you say: : « makes the P7800 a potentially attractive option for anyone looking to step up from a more basic point and shoot, or as a second body alongside an entry-level DSLR. » ?
DSLRs entry game are primarily intended for amateur customers who prefer to use simple devices, regardless of specific settings. Unlike the Nikon Coolpix P7800, which comes complete with comprehensive and complex trimmings, similar to those of a pro DSLR. And are rather afraid to owners of a camera entry game.
To me, this kind of text lack of seriousness, and discredits "dpreview"
Still, I'll always enjoy following the news and news through dpreview.
Long life to you, but please, stay realistic!

5 upvotes
JWest
By JWest (7 months ago)

Define "entry level DSLR". I know of precious few DSLRs on the market that don't allow at least as much, and usually more, control over settings than even the most advanced of compacts.

Besides, even if that wasn't the case, why wouldn't this camera make a great option for someone looking for a second body alongside their oddly crippled DSLR?

0 upvotes
Sandr62
By Sandr62 (7 months ago)

Wow!
You're really hate DSLR's!

0 upvotes
vapentaxuser
By vapentaxuser (7 months ago)

I think Nikon has a better understanding than Sony does when it comes to making cameras with a more well-rounded shooting experience. Yes, the RX100 beats the P series cameras in ultimate IQ hands-down. But with the P7800 you get an actual camera strap, a nice grip, 3 dials, a phyiscal dial for adjusting exposure compensation, a large battery, a versatile lens, an articulating LCD, and a decent EVF. And on top of that, it's no slouch in the image quality department either. And IMO, the IQ difference will only be realized if you are shooting at higher ISOs and blowing your pictures up to larger sizes. Most of the rest of it comes down to a person's skills as a photographer.

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ianimal
By ianimal (7 months ago)

So you think Sony don't know much about camera ergonomics?
Of course all major camera brands know the history and all about camera ergonomics. Sony decided to make the RX100 small with a relative big sensor for this kind of a camera. Of all the features you list it is only a EVF I am missing. With the new RX100 v2 you can add a EVF if you want. That said, everyone has different needs and wants. No singel camera is the best fit for everyone. So just nice we have different designed cameras.

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achim k
By achim k (7 months ago)

"you can add a EVF if you want".. yes, but then it's not a compact, pocket-size camera anymore. I really hoped Sony would bring a RX100 with EVF!

4 upvotes
Seagull TLR
By Seagull TLR (7 months ago)

<"you can add a EVF if you want".. yes, but then it's not a compact, pocket-size camera anymore> Not only that. The RX100II + EVF costs ten Benjamin.

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (7 months ago)

Sony understood the needs of people who wanted the best possible image quality from the smallest possible camera size. Obviously, if Sony wanted to make a camera like the P7800 or the G16, they could easily make it. And who knows, maybe they will. So far, the RX100 is unique and without real competition if you consider the IQ/size factor. It excels.

0 upvotes
MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (7 months ago)

Twin dials and what looks like robust build quality, nice. Look forward to seeing output.

2 upvotes
rfsIII
By rfsIII (7 months ago)

Dear God

Please guard and keep Nikon and its amazingly talented and innovative engineers from the trolls.

Thank you

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

All the Japanese camera companies have talented engineers who routinely innovate. Nothing amazing about it. It's what they do. What is amazing is the bizarre idea that Nikon is unique in this respect.

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LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (7 months ago)

"8 frames-per-second for up to six shots"?
What good is 8 shots per sec if you can only shoot 6 times? :D Am i stupid or what is that about?

Just figured it out. ...if a car goes 100Km per hour, you can go 100 per hour but you can go like 5Km and say i drove 100Km/hour. lol.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (7 months ago)

8 frames per second is SPEED (or rate or frequency or interval).

It means that the camera will record 6 frames 1/8 = 0.125 sec apart.

It has nothing to do with how many pictures the camera can store in the buffer .

(the NX300 users still don't understand the concept)

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LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (7 months ago)

Exactly. :D Read my edited comment.

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monkeybrain
By monkeybrain (7 months ago)

Driving at 50 mph does not mean you will travel 50 miles.

Edit: you worked it out yourself while I was typing.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (7 months ago)

@LiSkynden Here's the kind of situation it would be useful - if you're shooting sport you want to capture exactly the right moment. Being able to get 6 shots off in around a second gives you plenty of lee-way to start shooting just before you think something's going to happen rather than trying to time it /exactly/ right with just a single shot.

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LiSkynden
By LiSkynden (7 months ago)

Something like that yes. My comment was kind of embarrassing :/

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prrbill
By prrbill (7 months ago)

I'd been trying to mentally justify (always a losing battle $$$ wise) getting a Sony NEX-6 with the Tamron 18-200 lens for those shorter trips and informal grab shot instances. The EVF is of paramount importance to me as those LCDs just wash out in the sunlight (I have a Sony A77 & love it). This seems to be the camera that Canon and/or Sony should have come out with especially Sony with their excellent OLED EVF. A good spec zoom coupled with both an articulating LCD screen and most importantly, a decent EVF. I already called my local dealer and put one on order. Thank you Nikon.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (7 months ago)

"Low-light performance is bolstered by a blazing fast f/2.0-4.0 glass lens" -- an advanced advertising method known as bold lies. Who would ever call f/9.3-f/18.6 FF zoom blazing fast? Blazing slow is a better description.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (7 months ago)

you mix recalculation of DOF in FF terms and f-number

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (7 months ago)

Sad you don't understand basic photography

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JacobSR
By JacobSR (7 months ago)

It's a DOF equivlent of f/9.3-f/18.6 FF and not in exposure value. Otherwise you would have to use a flash most of the time. F2.0 EV should be all the same.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (7 months ago)

Looks like all responses come from ignorance, even more amazing that people are state it with such certainty. There is no such thing as DOF only, light on sensor is scaled the same way (ignoring vignetting and second order effects) -- the surface integral of the flux represents the quantity of light which passes through the surface of the sensor.

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zakk9
By zakk9 (7 months ago)

The aperture, exposure time and ISO values of this camera will be the same with this camera as with a 35mm camera with an f/2.0-4.0 zoom, period. If you don't like small sensor cameras, I suggest that you take your pocketable 35mm camera with 28-300mm f/2.0-4.0 zoom and go out take some photos.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (7 months ago)

"light on sensor is scaled the same way"

How about "no it isn't"?

You are essentially stating that a sensor half the size collects half the light when sitting behind a lens with the same f-number. That's correct, but it is wrong to then go and state that this means the lens is "effectively" one stop slower. The reason for that is while the total number of photons collected may have halved, the number of photons per unit area is unchanged. The camera exposure settings are unchanged by the sensor size.

"Looks like all responses come from ignorance"

I'd check the mirror first.

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mosc
By mosc (7 months ago)

More of this? It's been explained 1000 times.

p7800 f2-f4 ISO100 =
FF f/9.1-f/18.2 ISO 455

In exposure time, depth of field, you name it. They're not exactly the same because the sensitivity and dynamic range of the sensors are not all the same per unit area, but it's pretty damn close.

But but! You can raise the ISO on the P7800 past 100! Of course you can. You can ALSO raise the ISO on the FF past 455. Amazingly, you can raise them both by about the same multiplier before the results go to crap. Why? Because the technologies making the sensors are inherently very similar.

The FF however, you can LOWER the ISO from 455 to 100 or so. You can't lower the ISO on the P7800 equivalently, it's just not that sensitive per unit area to make up for the sensor size difference.

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zakk9
By zakk9 (7 months ago)

At least learn how to calculate:
f/2.0 @ ISO100
equals f/2.8 @ ISO200
equals f/4.0 @ ISO400
equals f/5.6 @ ISO800
equals f/8.0 @ ISO1600 etc.

Which means that at f/9.1 with your 35mm camera, you're approaching ISO2000. As if it matters. With that 28-200 zoom, it's still not really pocketable, is it?

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

Waiting to see what happens to the 1 system cameras. Need a 1 system camera with similar spec and close to this price or an APS-C camera with similar spec that could compete with GX7,Nex6 and Fuji XE-1. Should be $700-$800 with fixed or decent DX F mount kit lens. Mirrorless should be cheaper than dslr, evf's have gotten better and cheaper to produce but we have yet to benefit prices for mirrorless are too high.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (7 months ago)

Why couldn't they put this same EVF in the Coolpix A?
I guess I have to wait for Coolpix B..

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (7 months ago)

Finally - EVFs come to P&S cameras ! Be nice to see a capable EVF in some of the larger sensor compacts...

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (7 months ago)

EVFs have been in the P&S coolpix line in the past, but were dropped. My old CP8400 had an EVF, fully articulated LCD, built-in flash, hot shoe, magnesium body, etc. and then the CoolPix line became dumbed down over time. Nice to see these things back in the CP line.

However, I'd give up the 28-200 equivalent lens for a 24-100/2.8-4 lens and a the 1" sensor from the Nikon 1 system . . . that would be a killer CoolPix.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (7 months ago)

My Panasonic FZ-1 says "hi".

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NCB
By NCB (7 months ago)

Potentially a great camera. Potentially. I picked up a P7100 cheap when the price dropped, and in many ways that's a very nice camera. Loads of well -organised controls of the type which are useful, and an excellent lens. Initial thoughts about the P7800, based mainly on experience with the P7100.

1) Pity the quick settings control wheel button has gone. It makes access the main setting very quick and easy.

2) How good is the EFV? If it's a good one it'll be an improvement. The P7100 optical vf is OK , but framing is a problem.

3) The P7100 colour out of the box is dire. Starts with two Auto WBs, Standard and Warm. Both are too cool. Took a lot of fiddling to get what I want.

4) Speed, or alleged lack of it, doesn't worry me. It's not a factor in the type of shooting I do.

Summary; going on the P7100, the lens in the P7800 should be a cracker, and it's a nice design. Worth a close look.

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vapentaxuser
By vapentaxuser (7 months ago)

You have to take into account that the P7100 uses an older 10MP CCD sensor vs. the newer 12MP BSI CMOS sensor found in the P7700 and P7800. I have shot with both the P7100 and P7700 and found the P7700 had a noticeable improvement over its predecessor when it comes to image quality, especially with regards to lens sharpness and color reproduction.

The P7800 uses the exact same sensor/processor/lens as the P7700 so it too should be an improvement over the P7100.

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NCB
By NCB (7 months ago)

Interesting that. Can't see why the sensor size would make much difference on its own. Looks like Nikon have done some real improvements inside.

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TxCamFan
By TxCamFan (7 months ago)

Re your #1 - they added a kind of quick Q button where it looks like you can access several different settings so it may not be as much of an inconvenience to access some of those things as previously thought with the quick settings control wheel gone (which they had to get rid of to allow for the new EVF) I was a little bummed by it too until I saw that new Q button. You can see it on Nikon's site.

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photo perzon
By photo perzon (7 months ago)

The same but different: please change that slow AF indoors!!

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (7 months ago)

Best ergonomics and set of controls in a compact camera ever. Now if its sensor and lens were like those of the RX/QX100...

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (7 months ago)

...it would be a RX/QX100? Not sure of the relevance as this is a P8800 being discussed here.

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sdh
By sdh (7 months ago)

Good luck fitting a "compact" f/2.0 - 4.0 lens with 7x zoom in front of that sensor...

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (7 months ago)

Enjoy your 7x zoom, I like better the RX/QX's 28-100 f/1.8-4.9 with the larger 1" sensor (the difference is larger than that between APS-C and Four Thirds). You think bigger is better in a zoom, I think it is in a sensor.

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sdh
By sdh (7 months ago)

I never indicated preference of zoom range vs sensor size.
28-200 (equivalent) range is a foundational spec of the P7xxx series. If they were to drastically upsize the sensor at a cost of reducing lens range & brightness (or, drastically enlarging the whole camera), then they'd essentially be creating a new line. I'm not saying one approach is whoelsale better than the other; everything's a tradeoff. My point is simply that, going large-sensor w/ less lens range would make the camera not really a P7700 successor.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (7 months ago)

It would be a Nikon V1.

No, I mean, seriously, if you want to know what size the lenses end up with a 1" sensor behind them, just glance over to Nikon 1. Note that they are typically 1-2 stops slower, too.

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Optimal Prime
By Optimal Prime (7 months ago)

Now that EVFs parts are coming down in price, all major manufacturers will be racing to include these in their high end compacts. Expect the next mega pixel race to be about EVFs resolutions rather than the sensor's...

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sdh
By sdh (7 months ago)

I used a P7700 as my carry-everywhere camera for 6 months and never used that settings dial on the upper left corner (where the EVF will live now in the P7800.) IMO this is a superb change.
I hope they improved the poor operational speed of the P7700.
And maybe if the P7900 has an eye/proximity sensor to switch between EVF & LCD, then they'll have homerun IMO.

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Mattersburger
By Mattersburger (7 months ago)

So, a very handy external dial is lost ...

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toomanycanons
By toomanycanons (7 months ago)

Now was that so hard, Nikon? Essentially a P7700 with an EVF, about time.

For those of you might think this will tick off P7700 owners who might feel short-changed at this "upgrade" remember that there's a high percentage of point and shoot owners who actually PREFER no viewfinder so this, to them, is almost a downgrade.

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (7 months ago)

Nikon seems to be upgrading all products in their line up except D300. And loosing customers because of it.

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fotokeena
By fotokeena (7 months ago)

Not necessary, as there are already newer/better cameras than the D300 in their lineup for those who wish to upgrade.

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Ben Herrmann
By Ben Herrmann (7 months ago)

Bingo....glad to see this. I really like the P7700 with regards to IQ. Having this higher def EVF makes all the difference in the world. Will definitely pick this one up.

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Joe Talks Photo Gear
By Joe Talks Photo Gear (7 months ago)

Given that this would put you with a self-reported total of 25 cameras, please tell me in what specific way this can do what none of the others can individually or collectively do (exclude the p7700)

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (7 months ago)

@Joe Talks etc. It is nice to have all these goodies on one camera though so I think the fact that you do not need to collectively use cameras and lug more than one about is an advantage.

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John McCormack
By John McCormack (7 months ago)

I'm with you, Ben. Always liked the Nikon colors. Can you tell me if the P7700 (and presumably the P7800) takes filters directly on to the lens barrel? Thanks.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (7 months ago)

Yes it does take filters directly 40.5

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Joe Talks Photo Gear
By Joe Talks Photo Gear (7 months ago)

I long for the day when at least a 1" sensor makes its way into a future model of this line. Maybe the P8700? My first digital in 2002 was the Coolpix P5700 5mp. In fact, my profile pic here was taken with it.

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techmine
By techmine (7 months ago)

So what happened last time nikon? In 1 year you fixed the biggest shortcoming of your flagship p&s camera. A great way of keeping your coolpix users pi$$ed. Now I know where you are going with 1 series. The first round of camera releases is always your beta testing.

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techmine
By techmine (7 months ago)

You have done this with your P3nn series too - Now it has a 1/1.7 sensor. You have done this with V1 also V2 has controls, buttons etc.

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Bamboojled
By Bamboojled (7 months ago)

Ramble much?

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vroger1
By vroger1 (7 months ago)

Finally! Now all we need is a bigger sensor- and Canon will be number 2 in compacts. P.S. My stuff is Canon- This is what we need.

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jorg14
By jorg14 (7 months ago)

Bigger sensor = bigger camera. Are you sure this is what you want?

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KZMike
By KZMike (7 months ago)

Agree 100% on the sensor size, though I think I'll go ahead and shelf my G9 in favor of the 7800

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beavertown
By beavertown (7 months ago)

Bigger sensor =/= bigger camera.

V1 has a tiny sensor, but the camera is huge.

P7700 has a super tiny sensor, but the body is huge compare to the RX100 that has a much larger sensor

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Northgrove
By Northgrove (7 months ago)

Do we really "need" that?

Even Nikon themselves offer the Nikon V1/V2 if you still want that EVF, the 10-100mm lens for a 27-270 mm equivalent zoom, on a 1" sensor.

It's still pretty small! Smaller than something micro 4/3. Not as pocketable as this camera, of course, but that's because of the slightly larger sensor that you wanted.

The RX100 is smaller still, but that's mostly because the lens is fixed, so they could make shortcuts. And it's also pretty dark (f/4.9) on tele which plays a role too.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

Isn't Canon already #2 in compacts - after Sony? And their big-sensor cameras are simply #2...

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Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (7 months ago)

Am I the only one that thinks that this is what the 1 cameras should look like?

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KZMike
By KZMike (7 months ago)

NO

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (7 months ago)

No + 1

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Johannes Zander
By Johannes Zander (7 months ago)

Yes Yes and YES

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Julian Kirkness
By Julian Kirkness (7 months ago)

Just what I have been looking for - I bought a Panasonic LF1 a couple of weeks ago which has basically the same spec (plus WiFi) but I found it too small (my wife loves it though and is replacing her Nikon J1 which she never liked because of no viewfinder).

As a summary, ideal focal length range and EVF make this the first all in one camera for years which may persuade me to leave my system camera behind when travelling (OM-D + lenses).

So pre-order is in - now the waiting begins! If only we didn't get ripped off price wise in the UK!!! Our price in Dollars is £781 - over 40% higher than the USA!

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (7 months ago)

Yes, but how much will you pay after you get a heart attack and spend 2 weeks in hospital? Ask how much it is in the USA....

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fotokeena
By fotokeena (7 months ago)

Well, how much in the UK?

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peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

If you'll learn how much it costs in the states, you WILL have a heart attack...

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (7 months ago)

The Nokia 808 smartphone has a much larger sensor and cameras like this are dead meat.
http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/files/articles/8083837371/NokiaSensor.jpeg
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Nokia+808&s=int

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jorg14
By jorg14 (7 months ago)

Hardly

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ageha
By ageha (7 months ago)

Agreed

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zakk9
By zakk9 (7 months ago)

I have the 808, and although the image quality is amazing and I can make phone calls and a few other things with it, it lacks absolutely everything that makes a camera user friendly.

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KZMike
By KZMike (7 months ago)

NOT

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Beckler8
By Beckler8 (7 months ago)

For me the problem will be the video - surely it will be the same garbage-performance AF/AE during video as the P7700. Which ruins an otherwise very nice camera.

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