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User experience: In-depth look at Canon EOS 70D's Dual Pixel AF system

By dpreview staff on Aug 15, 2013 at 19:20 GMT
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Following our update last week to the Canon EOS 70D preview, we've been spending a little more time with the camera, to get a feel for its new Dual Pixel CMOS phase-detect autofocus system. What we've seen so far has been impressive - in live view the camera offers very responsive AF, eliminating the annoying focus seek we’ve seen in past models. We have a whole run down, with samples, on how the Dual Pixel AF performs in both live view and movie mode, as well as a brief studio and low light analysis. Click the links below to read our review-in-progress.

Canon's 20.2MP EOS 70D has a new autofocus system for live view that dedicates 80% of its pixels to phase-detect autofocus.
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Alex Moscow
By Alex Moscow (5 months ago)

This conclusion page is a great example of diplomacy: lots of secondary points, like handling etc., and nothing about pictures relative quality.
Should we read it "nothing to boast"?
Nikon 7100 in this reviews shows better picture at the same price level, then - what we buy cameras for?

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shehab
By shehab (5 months ago)

thanks so mach jest i want to now how i take photos in camera 7D and camping in mac book pro as same time i taking photos

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chiumeister
By chiumeister (5 months ago)

what about when subjects approach you?

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ConnieE
By ConnieE (5 months ago)

I shoot a 5DMarkiI (people and Macros). I would like a crop sensor for birds. I have been waiting for the replacement of the 7D.

1) would the 70D be a good choice

OR wait?

2. Do you have a guess what the option difference might be?

3. Any idea what the price might be on the 7D replacement.

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igor_s
By igor_s (5 months ago)

I think there is absolutely nothing better about 70D vs 7D in this respect. Picture quality is about the same, viewfinder size is the same or even smaller (you can check), burst rate is not higher, phase-detect AF is not better, body is plastic (7D - metal). Well, it has 20K pixels vs 18K in 7D but I will bet that nobody can tell the difference in a real shot. So, if you are not going to communicate with birds via WiFi...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

is not really crop sensor but pixel resolution and frame rate.
would wait a while, buy a 70D at low price while waiting for 7D2.

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Picturenaut
By Picturenaut (5 months ago)

Or get a used 7D intermediately. If you do birding in rough environment, a 7D is the better choice, it is close to indestructible. Mine has survived a severe crash: tripod with Wimberley and 500 mm supertele toppled over and hit a sharp stone, with the 7D in front as cushion. I thought this massive bang would have killed the camera, but it just has a few marks now and still works without any problem.

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Ed P
By Ed P (5 months ago)

Does the 70D have a sensor to turn off the screen when you bring the camera up to your eye to take a shot (like my T1i does)? I played with one at a store, and it didn't turn off (annoying). Worse, since it's a touch-screen, my cheek changed a setting when I went to take a picture! If this means I have to either disable the touch screen (or flip it around) to avoid this... no thanks!

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Daxs
By Daxs (5 months ago)

You can activate - When you press shutter button half way, that will turn off your screen! Screen is on, screen is off!
Simple! Live and learn! :)

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (5 months ago)

you can't use an OVF with the mirror up in liveview mode anyway !!!

logic: if you do use the OVF, it is no longer using the touch screen to preview the exposure or focus anyway !

lol

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

EVF is coming, inevitably

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igor_s
By igor_s (5 months ago)

Botom line: 70D would be the class leader 3 years ago, before D7000 and SLT A55 appeared. When its new AF system works much better there will be another talk and another comparison with its future rivals.

Though, Canon is unbeatable in ergonomics, lens choice/price and ... marketing.

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digitalanalog
By digitalanalog (5 months ago)

Which one would you choose: New 5D MKII or 70D?

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Keep 5D MKII if you want to take better quality still picture due to FF sensor resolves more details than the APS-C sensor with good quality Canon lens. But if you are into videography then 70D would do using the real time AF because that camera has phase detection built in CMOS sensor for videography. To get good smooth video out of it, you need image stabiliser lens though as well anyway.

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digitalanalog
By digitalanalog (5 months ago)

Thanx - sounds realistic.
What about the general video quality - is it comparable? And, would that 70D's AF really make such difference in video-making? (I suppose it depends on what you're shooting).
I own 5D MKII and I think I'll keep it... There are some plans for video too but I'm not 100% sure).

Do you think it would be better to invest (for video's sake only) in Blackmagic Cinema (pocket?) Camera instead?

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kerensky20
By kerensky20 (5 months ago)

I would give points to the 70d for a few things
1. having a tilty-flippy LCD does give you alot of convenience, doing videos, over the 5d2
2. having much more reliable AF means you dont have to concentrate on composiing as well as focusing when shooting mundane scenes; you would still probably have to do manual focus pulling in certain scenes you want to shoot.
3. Since you already own canon lenses, it would be much more cost-savings for you than buying a BMCC/BMPCC. you could adapt lenses, but you'd get the best range using m43 lenses due to the crop ratio

I shot video for about 2 years, fulltime, and these were the gripes i had to content with for a long time. i honestly think the 70d is pretty good.

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jws1956
By jws1956 (5 months ago)

I am not a photographer but am looking for some help comparing this to the 5d mkII. Is this a step up, down, or just lateral?

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DPReview Staff
By DPReview Staff (5 months ago)

The 5D Mark II is a full-frame DSLR, this is an APS-C DSLR. Sensor size, and the resulting difference in focal length is a key differentiator. The 70D, for its part, has Dual Pixel AF, which, when shooting videos, is better than the contrast-detect AF available on the 5D II. The latter cannot autofocus smoothly while shooting video, whereas the 70D can.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (5 months ago)

After so many years of penalizing m43 for a lack of better sensor, the outdated IQ of the 70D didn't even made to the cons!

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Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (5 months ago)

The review could be summed up: "It's a nice camera, it takes nice pictures... "

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blue hour
By blue hour (5 months ago)

"a camera whose primary innovations revolve around providing smooth autofocus in video" without 4k recording in 2013.

On the other hand-4k recording is going to be Canons innovation in the 80 D.

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Shield3
By Shield3 (5 months ago)

Yep, as clearly there are so many hybrids out right now that shoot 4k. Oh wait, only one, the $12k 1DC. So why should an $1100 body do it too? Which Sony/Nikon/Panasonic/Pentax/Fuji shoot 4k again? Only option is the kludgey BMC, and it doesn't take stills at all, and it's $3k. Please don't mention crappy cell phones that do it - I'd take a 70d's 720 mode over that for actual detail and DOF control.

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skimble
By skimble (5 months ago)

It is what it is a great camera with a few minor issues compared to others and who knows they may tweak another few of this issues with the next FW update to start of with its ok GOLD reward I think its a bid high also I bought this camera :-)

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Scott Eaton
By Scott Eaton (5 months ago)

Looking at the comparison shots objectively I'm not sure how anybody working on a real monitor can't see the improvements over the 7D and 60D. Those saying it's not improvement over the 60D need to stop surfing with their Androids and use a real computer. Color accuracy has also improved with the 70D...something 7D fanatics don't comprehend.

What's also obvious is while the 70D has made substantial improvement with high ISO noise the camera lags the 7100 by a rather substantial margin in all other areas, especially just plain detail. Typical 'smudgy' Canon sensor detail...no surprise.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Your post is clearly a flaming/defamation against everyone here.

4 upvotes
Lewton Cole
By Lewton Cole (5 months ago)

Gee, hope your response to Scott Eaton was very much tongue in cheek, because what he said makes a LOT of sense....

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (4 months ago)

Scott. But in RAW the detail is close to the 7100. It is lost in the jpgs due to Canons NR and low sharpness setting. See CNET's video review. The 7100 has no AA filter so should show more detail and does but not by much. Also with no AA filter there will be moire problems at times when photographing grid patterns etc

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rfstudio
By rfstudio (5 months ago)

Canon...canon...the shape is just getting uglier

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audiomarc
By audiomarc (5 months ago)

It's not what it looks like. It's how it feels in your hands.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Canon isn't the only one rfsudio...try Nikon big fat D800 body size. Now thats ugly piece of camera. But it just a camera. Why not get over and harden up with the design. It just the camera, the design way to hold the camera with your hands, feel comfortable with good hand grip, design where button should go, where plug should go, where sd card should go etc.

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Alec_c
By Alec_c (5 months ago)

... and feels bad in hand! Cramped body, no space between grip and lens, smaller buttons, unusable 8-way controller. poc! The screen is the only one to mention as a plus. I am amazed of how much discussion is around different aspects of IQ (not stellar anyway) when something much more basic as handling is passed.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (5 months ago)

Well love it or hate it ( and I could do both as I use BOTH Canon & Nikon) I see the 70D as the new class leader - even if in some areas Nikon or Sony etc can out weight it or deliver more - OVERALL the 70D is where the money will be going and Canon will still remain way ahead in total sales. Frankly Canon lost its way with the 50D/60D and the 7D was far from perfect (still a lovely camera anyone bored of their is free to pass it on too me) but the 70D is / will be the market leader...

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kai liu
By kai liu (5 months ago)

I think most hater are people do not use live view or video mode. for those people, I agree. this camera is not excited at all. but for peopeo like using live view to take picture, and for people doing a lot of video, this camera is wonderful.

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dpreviewg
By dpreviewg (5 months ago)

The 70D classical setup test shoot has been removed by dpreview, which is a huge disappointment. It was there last week, no more since a few days ago. It was accessible first by viewing the jpg then raw, but now is replaced by the new charts that is a major discontinuation of all old cameras. I was actually looking for the 5d mark I raw images shot with the classical setup. I think someone should start another site that's dedicated to provide ISO comoparisons of all cameras using the same test shot.

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CyberAngel
By CyberAngel (5 months ago)

They should give a choice of "Classic" and "New"

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prodrone
By prodrone (5 months ago)

Do not want to sound negative, but looking for a mid-range camera and this thing costs much more then of the old trusty Sony A65 (2011), Canon has less megapixels, slower burst, no IBIS, no GPS, compared to that old 2011 Sony. Looking at video, again, D70 has only 30fps video while lower priced Sony got FullHD 60fps progressive two years back.., what is going on ? Second, why the gold award ? Where is the innovation ? Where is the spec worthy of 2013 ? Even Nokia sports 40 MPx cameras today.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Whinging moaning post again here I see heaps more. Canon does not care about other company. They only care about themselves and concentrate on their invention and technology. They want to make their own way. So thats fair enough. They don't want to buy licence of IBIS to incorporate in Canon camera. Their choice. Not yours. Whether you like it or not. I noticed their low light is improving dramatically since 7D and I think Canon will still improve drastically in no time. They are catching up already too.

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kai liu
By kai liu (5 months ago)

you do not read anything?
the new af system is innovation.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

one should not rely on Sony for they don't have the capability to make same good lenses as Canon and Nikon.

Sony, Pana, Oly, Fuji ... are side dishes and some taste good.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

You are right on the spot yabokkie. Even Minolta lens on Sony Alpha will do better than Sony lens for some reason. I think Sony should realise that it is more important to have backward compatibility so its more convenience for it. Canon still have backward compatibility for most EF/EF-S camera. Its very convenience.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

The reason for my Nex 7 is I buy 3rd party lens especially Sigma, but unfortunately without image stabiliser, thats the problem. Still Sigma lens gives me very good image quality compare to Sony lens is not as good as Sigma is.

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igor_s
By igor_s (5 months ago)

yabokkie&naththo, we are speaking about the body not the lens, right? The body's specs are nowhere better and in some respects poorer than 2011 Sony's. Its new AF system deserves attention but at the time that's all about it. Even DPR did not give it excellent grade. Then what else? I have read that someone could see a big difference in noise level between 7D and 70D but you know......

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

Reading the numbers and chart from DxO is okay but not really that helpful. It best to experiment the images through studio comparison, the sample photos, etc from here at dpreview and image resource. They are the two of those have plenty of sample images for you to play with and see how good it turns out. So its important to have both DxO graph/numbers and those images to play with. I have done that way.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

The main negativity with Canon 7D (my previous camera before Sony Nex 7) is about a stop or so darker than 70D in low light test. Thats what happened when I was struggled to take low light indoor photos during wedding reception photos shooting. If it were a stop or so lighter. It would have come out really good. At least I am glad Canon has realised the mistake and improved that from there. One stop darker is a very bad idea. Although thankfully I took raw images, whew! If I didn't, then JPG would be all terrible to come out with. But I jumped to Sony when I heard lots of positive and advantage with low light photography back then. Although the portrait shooting is not as good/faithful as Canon though. And Nex has bit of side effect problem in low light portrait especially bit too red or so. Alpha hasn't had issue problem though.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

I give you hint, check the dynamic range graph in this Dpreview Canon 70D review and 2nd camera, select 7D there. You will see 3 stops difference.

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igor_s
By igor_s (5 months ago)

3 stops difference LOL))). If it were so, Canon would jump out of their trousers and post it everywhere. Do you think that such your claims can help Canon? Don't worry, they will sell a lot of that *innovation". Even DPR postponed their review, imho not to hurt Canon. And that was not enough, they gave it a gold award.

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olddog99
By olddog99 (4 months ago)

My relatively limited experience with Sony, 18-200 OSS and 10-18mm wide says Yabokkie and Naththo don't know squat. I own Leica, Canon and tons of other lenses going back 100 years, shooter turned shooter-collector. The Sony lenses that I have are excellent, buy Zeiss or others if you like. The problem sometimes is that the lens is a bit slow in f/stop and that doesn't help with movement, etc. My primary is a Canon 5D3 and generally the Sony isn't too embarrassed by the company it keeps.

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Daxs
By Daxs (5 months ago)

Got my 70D!
It is better then you think!
Simple! When you start taking pictures you don't want to stop!
And all these negative comments just, just making me laugh! :D

9 upvotes
Segaman
By Segaman (5 months ago)

There just smoke these comments, enjoy your camera

2 upvotes
Rbrt
By Rbrt (5 months ago)

Can you comment on the focusing? Seems to me this would be very important for those of us who are mostly interested in still photography.

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Shield3
By Shield3 (5 months ago)

The 70d is wonderful. The video AF *is* groundbreaking. The IQ is regular Canon quality, which is great. I love mine.

4 upvotes
RobertoAvanzi
By RobertoAvanzi (5 months ago)

My own comments on focusing: It's great. You may miss spot AF and expansion AF - if you need these you need a different camera. But the system is very fast and accurate. Live view is useable and I have used it with the great on sensor PDAF in circumstances where, due to required position, taking pictures would have been very difficult.

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hannesen
By hannesen (5 months ago)

Congratulation with your 70D :-)
Im getting mine sometime next week and can hardly wait to get the camera in my hands. looking forward to take my first photos with it.

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Daxs
By Daxs (5 months ago)

Focusing...... really good! You have to try, you will see! And not just with Canon lenses!

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olddog99
By olddog99 (4 months ago)

The one thing I wish commenters could do -- but intend no criticism about -- is how does this compare to manual focusing which is what I grew up with on Nikon Fs. The reason I say that is because some autofocus lenses/cameras don't really allow easy switch to manual and there are times you suddenly discover auto is screwed. With Manual, frinstance, if someone walked into a frame, it didn't as a rule affect focus unless you wanted it too. AS an old pro said a few years ago, autofocus is nice, but be sure you got something on the backstop when there's money involved. It's like 10 frames a second seems dynamite unless your drive missed the critical millisecond. Ten frames a second (twice the old Nikon F motors) still leaves a whole bunch of open space if each frame is 1/1000 of a second.

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walker2000
By walker2000 (5 months ago)

An error? The manual says the built-in microphone for video is stereo, but this review says it's mono.

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Jean-Marc Le Roy
By Jean-Marc Le Roy (5 months ago)

Two little microphones at the rear of the flash/viewfinder bulge. Stereo, no doubt.

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joelfoto
By joelfoto (5 months ago)

What's not to like? Looks like a big, good step forward and will be buying in and send my (fabulous) 30D to backup.

Seriously!

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igor_s
By igor_s (5 months ago)

Gold award? Good joke.

Even move/video mode - the only thing in which 70D was supposed to excel - is not as good as its "comparatively small WF" and $1200 tag (see the ratings). Meaning that 60D with not-so-good new AF at $ 1200 would be a bargain. Oh, well, add AF microadjustment, silent mode and Wi-Fi... and FOUR years distance.

Though, if you keep your eyes open you can see the real picture, thanks DPR.

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Juck
By Juck (5 months ago)

Thanks for that, short, but pointless.

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igor_s
By igor_s (5 months ago)

You mean that Canon fans will not listen:)?

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TraceyS
By TraceyS (5 months ago)

I haven't read the latest comments - but I hope you guys proofed the review since it was posted. There are spots where you obviously copy and pasted from the 60D review and didn't change it... and then in one section about the live view screen, the info is repeated when it talks about another set of screens.

Otherwise, I'm still planning on getting it. I think it will be a step up from my 20D, and I won't be doing A LOT of video, but they are apt to be better than the ones from my 3 year old Stylus Tough!

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Shield3
By Shield3 (5 months ago)

Great review of a great camera. I've had mine for about a month and still reach for the 5d3 for raw video or better still image quality, but the 70d is wonderful for traveling. Took the kids to the local Pumpkin Show and didn't even notice it hanging around my neck all day. Got some amazing IN FOCUS video of the kids. Well done Canon. :)
And, it will continually AF from F/1.4 to at least F/11 - unlike *cough* Sony's implementation of AF in video mode, where you're stuck @ F/3.5.

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dotbalm
By dotbalm (5 months ago)

"Good For Almost any semi-pro shooting situation, from sports action..."?

Are there test results on AF lock times? I don't see them in the Auto-Focus or Performance sections, but if that is going to be highlighted in the conclusion as "Good For" then can we see the numbers?

If the cam is going to be contrasted to a 7D as it is in 2nd paragraph of "Overall Conclusion" section," then it really begs the question - has some of that capability trickled down to the 70D? It's important to know as some of us consider replacing our sport-shooters. I'd like better DR and lower noise ISO, but can't give up cat-quick focus via the VF.

Seems like this new focus tech is implemented here as a test case, but that it really belongs in full frame landscape/portraiture cams like the 5D line given live view focus improvements.

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name here
By name here (5 months ago)

DPreview: I find it hard to agree with your raw noise conclusions.

60D samples on the bottom of page 15 look cleaner to me at ISO 1600 and upward. You do say 70D is smoother between 1600-6400. If my monitor is not failing me, I don't quite see that. In particular, the blue patch is a lot more noisy on 70D than on 60D... and, even green and gray patches are noisier on 70D. There's also less detail on the face. Not sure why your graphs don't show that.

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Gabebalazs
By Gabebalazs (5 months ago)

Unfortunately, the original "classic" image quality comparison page (with the actual original studio scene) is not available any more. But while it was, it was visible that the 70D was better than the 60D at noise handling in the scene. I looked at that until my eyes bled before buying the 70D. I'm actually disappointed that it was removed in favor of the new IQ studio scene.

I also owned a 60D for a while and now the 70D since September. Even in RAW the 70D is a little better (jpeg is lot better), especially when you resize 20mp to 18mp to have the same output size for both.

What's also going for the 70D, but rarely gets mentioned, is the character of the shadow noise. It's totally different from Canon's 18mp crop sensor (and I had 5 different bodies with that sensor for years, still own a 7D). It is less blotchy and is almost free of the ugly white/black specks that usually show up in the 18mp sensor at higher ISOs. It's much easier to clean up in post.

So that's my opinion.

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (4 months ago)

@Gabebalazs. If that's so then that may be the major improvement along with the improved video af. Canon has been lagging in shadow noise on their APS-C sensors.

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jonrobertp
By jonrobertp (5 months ago)

love the review...like the cam a lot...tis mine too. Thanks guys.

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Scrozzy
By Scrozzy (5 months ago)

Do the DPR staff draw straws on who gets to review Canon or Nikon DSLRs? The guy with the shortest straw has to the do the review, yes?

It seems you guys are damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to reviewing this sort of kit.

Thanks for the review anyway. I appreciate something this comprehensive takes a lot of time, and I understand you're reviewing the camera as a whole and not just the sensor. Unlike some.

Merry Christmas.

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BIDYUT KUMAR DE
By BIDYUT KUMAR DE (5 months ago)

You are right.I found 60D's sensor give little better quality than much hyped 70D.I tested from raw file.

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jonrobertp
By jonrobertp (5 months ago)

Then you need some fresh coffee !! wake up !

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srados
By srados (5 months ago)

So lets say, you shoot 60D and 70D side by side with the same lens and compared the raw and jpg. side by side on 100% magnification?

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hetedik
By hetedik (5 months ago)

I am concerned about the quality of the video.
What I understand, there is no really difference in the video-quality between the 600D to the 70D.
Does Canon really use the same codec in the 70D???

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wakaba
By wakaba (5 months ago)

So it sucks and sticking tailfins (WiFi and strange sensor) on that Olds is not going to make it better.

Canon is dead, check the data on dxo, 30-100% worse than a D600.

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AkinaC
By AkinaC (5 months ago)

DXO isn't everything

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wakaba
By wakaba (5 months ago)

dxo is very good, scientific method or theism. Your choice.

1 upvote
photofan1986
By photofan1986 (5 months ago)

Go out, shoot and get a life instead of spending your free time reading DXO graphs.

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wakaba
By wakaba (5 months ago)

Dxo data is good. Way better than the pr-blurbs that you consider for your buying decisions. Nothing wrong with solid math.

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Catalin Stavaru
By Catalin Stavaru (5 months ago)

Doesn't the D600 have a full-frame sensor compared to 70D's APS-C size sensor ? Why would you compare these ? Compare the D600 with the 6D, please. And if you really want to compare them, how about taking some videos...you will then see what the dual pixel is about.

PS: How could DxO Mark measure the D600 with those oil patches on sensor ? :)

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

I'm sorry, but how can something be 100% worse than something else? Does that mean it doesn't exist? By the way, the scores on DxO are not percentages. They aren't even on a scale of 0 to 100. What a moronic comment. "Canon is dead! Once they're done selling millions of cameras every year and making huge profits I'm sure they'll suddenly evaporate."

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Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (5 months ago)

DxO tells you the best you can get with careful raw processing. But you need to map those numbers into visible results and factor in the raw processing you will do. I assume you have a gallery of images that are visibly better because you were able to exploit the sensor differences?

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Lea5
By Lea5 (5 months ago)

Who cares about DXO numbers? I don't. And my D4 and D800E has no oil spots on the sensor ;-)

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Rbrt
By Rbrt (5 months ago)

Yeah and the D600 (D610) is, what, $900 more LOL?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

I haven't found DxO results to be relevant in real world situations (like taking pictures) but even if they are spot-on, by now, people would have noticed the obvious quality differences and stopped buying the "inferior" brands.

DxO software is something else. I love their user-friendly interface and great, simple documentation (just kidding!) Well, at least they don't make you subscribe.

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srados
By srados (5 months ago)

Good one Catalin good one! ;-)

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (5 months ago)

Nice technology but it doesn't make any DSLR far better, maybe, making it a little more versatile.
Anyway, I could see this technology used on Canon's mirrorless future product line.

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williams359
By williams359 (5 months ago)

Please canon or a third party maker is there any way of making a grip with a extra memory card slot

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dccdp
By dccdp (5 months ago)

In general, no. And it's because of some of those funny things only us nerds know.

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fz750
By fz750 (5 months ago)

Surely it would depend on what interfaces were available to the grip? Everything is possible, whether it's desirable ir advisable is another question..

How about a grip connected by radio (Bluetooth, wifi, whatever) that mirrors the built-in card? Can't be that difficult...

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MisterBG
By MisterBG (5 months ago)

Conclusion - Cons:

"◾HDR mode unavailable if Raw is active (rather than disengaging Raw)"

Is there ANY camera that allows HDR raw shooting? (than than by multiple bracketed exposures).
HDR is an output image (jpg) function.
This can hardly be a "Con" since all cameras behave the same way.

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YashicaFX2
By YashicaFX2 (5 months ago)

Yes, there is a camera that can shoot HDR and save the raw files: CANON EOS 5D Mark III.

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Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (5 months ago)

Let's look at how other recent cameras do it:
* Nikon D7100 - HDR only in JPEG, disabled in raw
* Pentax K5-II - HDR only in JPEG, disabled in raw
* Sony NEX-6 - HDR only in JPEG, disabled in raw
* Olympus E-M5: no-in camera HDR
* Olympus E-M1 - HDR available in raw, raw files saves only the "normal" exposure

So yes, it is a strange con.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

I know of no one who ever developed film in the camera.

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AstroStan
By AstroStan (5 months ago)

"Is there ANY camera that allows HDR raw shooting?"

Raw data consist of Bayer matrix pixel readings.
HDR is a technique of combining multiple exps to produce increased dynamic range. This combine requires de-Bayering, aligning and resampling each component exps. This cannot be done on an actual (Bayer) pixel basis without omitting the aligning/resampling. To simply stack the Bayer pixels requires no camera movement between exps, which is unrealistic though might be marginally possible via image stabalization.

It would be possible to create semi-raw HDR by de-Bayering/align/resample in 16 bit number space. The output would be 16 bit/color (not Bayer). That's not really "raw" but not really a picture either.

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AstroStan
By AstroStan (5 months ago)

P.S. The raw Bayer matrix could be preserved via positional aware align/resampling. That would result in a small amount of blur but it would be minor for deca-mega-pixel cameras. The in-camera processing would be substantial but seems like it could be done. And maybe will be done someday if the manufacturers think there is enough consumer interest in raw.

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Flommer
By Flommer (5 months ago)

I think you are all trying to read between the lines when the complaint is right there: If raw is your chosen image format, then you cannot choose HDR shooting. The reviewer would prefer that when raw is the chosen image format, choosing HDR would disable raw...

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Eleson
By Eleson (5 months ago)

While AstroStan have explained it carefully and correct, maybe the CON was not about having RAW HDR. IT was about allowing to take HDR jpegs when the camera was set to RAW.

I can see good reasons for both. Having the camera in RAW mode, but still allow for HDR shots when called for, would be convenient.

But is probably disengaged because some would scream about the HDR not being RAW. This way they reduce the number of complaints.

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capanikon
By capanikon (5 months ago)

I'd rather they didn't put touch screens on cameras.

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photofan1986
By photofan1986 (5 months ago)

You don't have to use it. What's the problem? Capacitive touch screens have a tougher surface than usual displays.

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YashicaFX2
By YashicaFX2 (5 months ago)

You can turn it off in the menus.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (5 months ago)

I used to think like you, because touch screens are generally worse than tactile controls, and I steered my mom away from any touchscreen P&Ss because so many functions were buried under touchscreen menus.

But then I saw how one camera uses the touchscreen to give you a simpler video rack focus than any tactile control ever has (you tap the two spots on the screen you want to rack between). That's when I realized that touch screens are OK as long as only appropriate and workflow-enhancing functions are assigned to them.

Don't pre-judge any camera UI. It's like criticizing people for taking pictures with those 8x10 slabs called iPads; the perception of the activity would be completely different if only those 8x10 slabs were view cameras...

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Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (5 months ago)

Put your camera on a tripod (as you should whenever feasible if you care about image quality) and that articulated touch screen becomes the single best feature for increased handling comfort. Try it out in your local shop, you'll be amazed.

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

A reasonably good compromise for those who cannot afford a Canon 1DX or 5D Mk3.

Good God it does not have a built-in GPS.

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Rbrt
By Rbrt (5 months ago)

Yeah, but that articulated LCD would be very useful.

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srados
By srados (5 months ago)

Why is sneaky GPS such a deal breaker for some?Are you working for Google maps?I do not get it...

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (4 months ago)

I would like GPS just so I could remember the exact spot I took the photo. Even better would be voice annotation as on Pro level SLRs (and as I had on my Fuji S2 Pro). This allow you to make a small voice note about what you are photographing. Very handy when you are shooting for calendars.

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vadims
By vadims (5 months ago)

I don't think anything with a mirror can be considered a "radical departure" these days...

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onlooker
By onlooker (5 months ago)

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

So does a car have to be electric to be a radical departure? Does a sandwich have to be made without bread to be a radical departure? Does a building have to be built down instead of up to be a radical departure? What is it about a mirror that the mirrorless folks find so unsettling? "Mirrorless" has been done long before ILC was born because a fixed-lens camera doesn't have a mirror. The image quality from my G1 X challenges every ILC crop body on the market. Jeez, changing lenses is so last century! Anything without a lens permanently attached is old school.

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budi0251
By budi0251 (5 months ago)

Nice 70D, sounds similarly as revolution in IQ as my old D70 :D

Anyway, not really excited with DSLR (canon especially), the only thing keeps me using canon were Magic Lantern does support canon DSLR only.

Now, can Canon makes a rival for likely say Sony RX10 or Oly Stylus 1? :)

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MicekyVee
By MicekyVee (5 months ago)

Preface: I've been using Canon since the 10D and have had every camera in the series except the 60D and now have the 70D (sold my 7D). I've spent the last couple of hours processing some 70D pics and looking at some of the work I've done with the 40D, 50D and 7D.

I can honestly say, IMO, that the IQ difference amongst the cameras it's evolutionary/incremental at best. I tend to shoot landscape and architecture on a tripod and from an interface ease of use perspective, the 70D is by far the best of the series for my particular use cases. Live view shooting is simply fabulous and I enjoy it as a walk around camera.

WRT the review and as a 70D owner, I was thrilled to see the 70D get a Gold Award but I find it a little hard to swallow from an IQ perspective due to the incremental changes. Love the better Hi ISO but in no way this is a revolutionary IQ camera even relative to the 40D.
Anyway, for me, it suits my style. For better IQ, it's time for a 5D3.

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (5 months ago)

Interesting comment! So the 5D II wins again!

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (5 months ago)

This camera has many bells & whistles, including the OSPDAF, from which I expected a more. Looks like that new tech is not up to the task yet, maybe just for video at this point? Anyway, there are other manufacturers offering similar tech like the new Sonys A7/7R, but since they're mirrorless and perhaps Mr. Buttler won't like them. AFAIK this new DPR comparison test board is still lacking a lot of cameras ( mainly Sony ), which makes it difficult to make good comparisons. I ended upcomparinng the 70D to the NEX6 and was surprised at how good the NEX is...!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

no one else has the same technology at the moment.
hope Canon could license it to Sony and everyone.

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57even
By 57even (5 months ago)

Yawn.

Sorry, I mean there is nothing in this camera in which I am remotely interested. Your mileage may differ.

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Vignes
By Vignes (5 months ago)

Not interested, then why bother writing?

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57even
By 57even (5 months ago)

Because Canon seem to be relying entirely on existing customer loyalty to sell new cameras. This is not a good strategy IMO.

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

No, it's just me. I buy 20 million Canon cameras every year just to keep them in business. All of the forum members that talk about owning Canon cameras are just my aliases. I hand them out for free but people just throw them in the trash. The "Canon" cameras you see all over the old Canon shells stuffed with Nikon and Sony parts.

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57even
By 57even (5 months ago)

Shame they can't use all that profit to make something interesting.

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Rbrt
By Rbrt (5 months ago)

I'd say the new focusing technology is pretty interesting. I'd also say you're just trolling.

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rickyred
By rickyred (5 months ago)

What I see about this camera is that it really makes the rebel series a non player. I think Canon really hit a home run with the 70D. This would be the camera I would choose if I was looking for my first DLSR.

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dual12
By dual12 (5 months ago)

I'd give that camera a 53, not an 83. Who cares about fancy new gimmicks if it's the same old mediocre, noisy, low dynamic range Canon that we've seen for the past 5-10 years? And it clearly is the same.

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naththo
By naththo (5 months ago)

I can smell Maxeyesore is back again. *Sniff Sniff* Yup, it is!

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kai liu
By kai liu (5 months ago)

for consumer they may not care about that image quality difference. let say between 70d and d7100. majorty of people buy dlsr for fun not for professional work. so features can enhance people experience of taking picture perheps can attract more customers at end. I think the new AF definately make taking picture and video more fun. Let us see how the sell is several month later.

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Segaman
By Segaman (5 months ago)

You guys at Dpreview must have a lot of fun reading these comments...

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audiobomber
By audiobomber (5 months ago)

DPR needs to change their dynamic range measurements. The current system favours manufacturers who apply heavy tone curves to boost jpeg DR. You can't compare DPR measurements fairly between say an Olympus EM-1 or Canon 70D vs. a Nikon D7100 or Pentax K-5 II, because the first two manipulate the tone curve, and DPR measurements hide the manipulation.

DXOMark results are the only accurate measure of dynamic range, and DPR staff know it. What they are showing as DR on this site is deceiptful. At least report on both, especially since DXO is now affiliated, and proper (accurate) raw results are readily available.

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JOrmsby
By JOrmsby (5 months ago)

I agree, and was surprised looking at DPR's charts showing the D7100 having wider Dynamic Range than my D600. Also seems to favor this 70D in the highlights. No way that's correct. I'll believe DxO's charts first. DPR's is oddly skewed, and by judging from many of the comments here, readers know it...

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (5 months ago)

Sad but not surprising anymore...

Thank you for your precious comments, audiobomber and JOrmsby.

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FrankS009
By FrankS009 (6 months ago)

R Butler wrote. "As a generalised statement, mirrorless cameras are still in development, whereas DSLRs (regardless of brand) have been around long enough that they get most of the basics right - it's the stuff 'round the edges that distinguishes them."

I find it quite hard to believe that after five years, M4/3rds for one has not got BOTH the "basics" AND the "stuff 'round the edges" right in several camera bodies by both Panasonic and Olympus. Furthermore they seem to have both right in different sized bodies in a truely versatile and lightweight system of bodies and lenses.

Changes are here for the camera industry, and the polishing of old practices is not enough any more.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (5 months ago)

As I acknowledged, it's a generalisation but there are still plenty of mirrorless models with plenty of quirks, whether that's in terms of user interface or, for instance, continuous focus performance.

There are stand-out cameras, to the point I can't personally imagine myself ever buying another DSLR but, no, I wouldn't say that the majority of mirrorless cameras are as polished as the 70D, which is an evolution of the (now 13-year-old) EOS 30D and plenty of film SLRs before that.

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deep7
By deep7 (5 months ago)

D30? 30D was four steps later! Confusing nomenclature change.

I had an EOS30 and find my 60D quite familiar. I REALLY miss the eye control autofocus though.

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FrankS009
By FrankS009 (5 months ago)

R Butler: You are changing the rules on me!

Your generalized statement was about both mirrorless and DSLR cameras, "regardless of brand." Now you are comparing plenty of mirrorless cameras with one specific model.

If you are now being specific about particular cameras, to be fair it would be better to compare the mirrorless stand-out cameras you mention with the 70D. Or to continue to generalize, you might compare the "quirks" of many mirrorless cameras with the flaws of APS-C or FF DSLRs broadly speaking.

I would still suggest that M4/3rds get the "stuff 'round the edges" right enough that your defense of DSLRs rings a bit hollow. On the other hand, you put your own purchasing decisions on the line, and might be commended for that.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (5 months ago)

@FrankS009 - I think we may be talking at crossed purposes - I'm not defending the concept of DSLRs (I'd like to think of myself as mirror-neutral). Instead I was trying to explain why DSLRs (in general) have tended to score higher than mirrorless so far. And, of course, I'm commenting within the context of the 70D review comments section.

If it comes to specifics of mirrorless cameras - the E-M1 is a very well worked-out camera and it deserved the higher score it got, compared with the 70D.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

a rule in highway design is not to make long straight sections for people need to do some tasks, have hurdles to perform better.

current mirrorless cameras are those hurdles though I do like the fast readout CDAF and the new E-M1 for some practical use.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (6 months ago)

Canon must be doing something right if the fanboys of other systems get this riled up.

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Zerg2905
By Zerg2905 (6 months ago)

Yep, and it was about time. Cheers! :)

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (6 months ago)

If you think they're mad now, just wait until they start comparing the holiday sales figures for the 70D against those of their favorite brands. Heads will explode!

Ok, the pretty lady has just refreshed my rum toddy, so I'm all better now. :)

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Segaman
By Segaman (5 months ago)

Most salesman in the place i go are nikon friendly, and they said that the 70D is really great, maybe better than the D7100,
So i guess its a great camera Digic 5+

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (6 months ago)

If the $1200 70D is a cutting edge stalwart, it's a seriously dull cutting edge.

Wouldn't be better to call it what it really is? According to dpr, image quality isn't really any better than the NEX-5N, which also meters and focuses better than the 70D. And in terms of low light and high ISO performance, the 70D lags a good distance behind the 5N. Gold must be pretty cheap to be so freely given away.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

A camera is about more than image quality - the Olympus E-M5 offers the same image quality as the much cheaper E-PM2 but that doesn't stop it being an excellent camera (better controls and an electronic viewfinder being just the most obvious differences).

The idea that the 5N focuses better than the 70D is an odd one, while the inclusion of a viewfinder and a well-worked-out twin-dial control interface (something conspicuously missing from the NEX-5N) make the 70D a more attractive camera to many people - rather undermining your comparison.

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (5 months ago)

What good does the sony sensor bring if it's equiped with subpar optics and slow AF?

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howardroark
By howardroark (5 months ago)

Lags a good distance behind the 5N??? Someone is wearing Sony colored glasses. My four year old 7D holds its own against the 5N.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

a martyr's vest may be more powerful than the explosives in a hellfire missile. then which will you choose?

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senn_b
By senn_b (5 months ago)

" Gold must be pretty cheap to be so freely given away. "
.. so well put !

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Tord S Eriksson
By Tord S Eriksson (5 months ago)

@R Butler, when did the 5N's viewfinder disappear?! Mine has one, and so does my wife's!

As that is an original piece of hardware, although an optional item, designed for the 5N, by Olympus I think you shouldn't disregard it as a mere trifle.

There is other problems with the 5N, sure, but viewfinder is not a missing item!

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DaddyG
By DaddyG (6 months ago)

This review is not as thorough as we're used to seeing from DPR. For example, no comment about OVF Autofocus tracking performance (is it the same as the 7D minus the two modes?)
How about the movie resolution quality. I heard it's majorly lacking compared to, say, a GH3. No mention from DPR.
Too highly focused on the new DP AF I feel.

(However, it's great how you can click on the IQ commentary and the widgets then display accordingly).

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Mike Sandman
By Mike Sandman (6 months ago)

Clarification, please:

The review says, "The remote shooting section of the app gives a reasonable degree of control over the camera. You can set the camera's focus point and get it to focus..." and trigger the shutter.

It's not clear (at least to me) from the screen captures whether you can use the WiFi link to see the live view image on a remote smart device like an iPhone/iPad, and fully control it from that device, like you can with a CamRanger.

Can you clarify that point?

Thanks.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

Yes, you can.

Those screen captures are from a smartphone, showing the live view from the camera.

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AlaskaDave
By AlaskaDave (5 months ago)

A note, I would not compare to CamRanger. With CamRanger there is pretty much complete control on both iPhone and iPad. I used Canon's app for WIFI connection and although nice to get to images, focus and trigger the release there's lots of room for improvement in order to be compared to CamRanger. The ultimate solution would be to have CamRanger software being able to communicate with internal wifi and not a suspended dongle plugged into the USB port.

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Dylthedog
By Dylthedog (6 months ago)

When I bought into Canon their sensors were the only game in town. Since then I've purchased a bag full of lenses and five bodies over the years but, like many, I feel that Canon have failed to innovate since that initial lead.

This is the first camera in a while that looks like they have done something attractive. The trouble is I find myself reaching for my M43 Oly kit before my 5D3 on many occasions and having truly compact system (more so than APS-C anyway) with a FF option means I'll never look at this camera.

Canon need this kind of tech with a competitive DR sensor across the range. Here's hoping for 2014.

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Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

Same story here...

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Segaman
By Segaman (6 months ago)

they will, give em a chance for 2104, before selling anything, we all got GAS

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dccdp
By dccdp (6 months ago)

@Segaman: Let's hope you're not right. 2104 will be too late even for Canon. ;-)

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Segaman
By Segaman (6 months ago)

nah, the only thing Canon needs is a little more mojo, and that i'm sure it will happen, they got the dough!!!!!!
If not, i would be the first surprised!

I'm buying a mirrorless real soon, not a canon and not a nikon...... FUJI baby

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Dylthedog
By Dylthedog (6 months ago)

But their dough is shrinking for the reasons I mentioned. Their M series has tanked compared to Sony and M43. The dough they have now needs to be spent wisely - believe me I hope they get it right!

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (6 months ago)

Any company that has to rely solely on cameras for profits is headed for big trouble. Fortunately, Canon, Olympus and Ricoh are not in this situation. Sony is even more diversified so if they continue to lose money on electronics they have options.

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armandino
By armandino (5 months ago)

My guess is Canon investment in the M system is puny, I do not see Canon in trouble yet. Actually, so far they have been the best to do in business.

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Segaman
By Segaman (6 months ago)

hey guys DSLR are going to be a rare breed, the stats are telling us that in the next five years, things will be hard, so lets keep the spirit alive, specially for Nikon, which I love their products!
Christopher Chute from market intelligence firm IDC predicts Nikon may be out of business in 5 years if the trend continues.

“You’re talking about a 10-15% decline in DSLR shipments all over the world. Which is kind of shocking because that market’s been growing double digits for almost ten years. Nikon recently said they have a five year plan to address this. And my view is, that five year plan should have come out five years ago. They’re not going to be around in five years.”
http://www.eoshd.com/content/11409/consumer-dslrs-dead-5-years

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Segaman
By Segaman (6 months ago)

Even I'm thinking of buying the Fuji Xe2, smaller and I don't do prints so its easier for traveling!
But i'm keeping my dslr, i think!

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Jim in Hudson
By Jim in Hudson (6 months ago)

Stats don't tell us about the future, only the past.

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robbo d
By robbo d (6 months ago)

.....and because the 2012 stats were unusually high and projected company sales were higher still for 2013 which did not happen. Don't stress it, whilst some of the M4/3 systems are good, so are APC-C, but it'll take a while little while before small sensor tech could ever literally compete with these. 5 years...me thinks not.

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sandy b
By sandy b (6 months ago)

And at least an equally high drop in shipment in mirrorless.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (6 months ago)

Hi Segaman,

Don't count on the DSLR disappearing from the marketplace anytime soon. While I have no doubt that smartphones and mirrorless cameras that appeal to the casual shooter, who primarily posts to websites, will completely swallow up the traditional point and shoot market, even a 20% decline in DSLR sales will not make that camera type extinct. Yes, it will force some of the weaker DSLR makers out of the market, but those who survive will actually thrive. Why? Simply because event photographers, like myself, are very aware of the still very strong demand for albums and other print based products people seek and are willing to pay a premium price for are still best produced with a camera of DSLR design. The reason DSLRs have been around so long is because the design is highly reliable, infinitely customizable, and therefore, suited to do almost any job that a working photographer might be asked to do. It's big because it's expected to do big jobs without breaking. :)

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Will Gerrits
By Will Gerrits (6 months ago)

So Donny thanks for your reply. But think about your arguments in favor of a DSLR : nowadays we could state the same arguments for any top mirrorless camera of any brand.

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Will Gerrits
By Will Gerrits (6 months ago)

And maybe you should try one before you will write your next comment, i'm pretty sure you'll be impressed by the usability and quality of the output. Try it.

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ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (6 months ago)

I keep reading that DSLRs are dying out but what I see contradicts that. On the contrary, I very often see young people - women especially - wielding Canon DSLRS. This leads me to think that they are becoming increasingly fashionable (maybe because they are considered "retro"). By contrast I very rarely see people using a M4/3 or mirrorless camera. I myself bought a Canon 600D at the wacko price of 399 Euros from MediaMarkt recently. I have to say, I far prefer using it to my Sony NEX5n, even though the latter has a more powerful sensor. Still, the Canon's output is more than good enough for me - and seems noticeably sharper as well (especially with the excellent 40mm pancake).

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (6 months ago)

@Will,

Working photographers tend to be far more conservative when choosing their tools than the typical casual user. They have to be, because their reputations and their livelihoods depends on them sticking with what they know works. So for the working photographer it's good business sense to stick to, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". While the casual shooter risks absolutely nothing when choosing to be the first person to be seen sporting the latest trend in cameras, especially when that choice is more about the status symbol it represents than about choice of tools. That's why it's great to have so many different choices available to so many different folks. If you are happy with your choice, that's great, because I am definitely happy with mine. :)

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Will Gerrits
By Will Gerrits (6 months ago)

Thanx for the answer Donny.Clear. Just don't write negative stuff about things you'll never (will) use.

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KZMike
By KZMike (6 months ago)

Donnie. . .Well put. . . I do believe many of us that consider ourselves in or near the 'high end enthusiast' user category will also support the SLR configuration.

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white shadow
By white shadow (5 months ago)

I would agree with Donnie G.

While mirrorless cameras are catching up in image quality, the DSLR is st ill the most reliable if one is serious about capturing quality photos. For the professional photographer, that is all it matters.

For example, if one is going to shoot a MotoGP or even soccer, one need to use a DSLR like the Canon 1DX with a 500mm f/4.0L IS lens on a monopod. Mirrorless cameras just don't have the speed, lenses and capacity to shoot these photos. If one is shooting events, most mirrorless cameras do not handle well and do not have the flash system to support it. DSLR still have the widest choice of lenses from tilt & shift to super telephoto. Even medium format DSLRs (not used by amateurs) will not disappear because commercial photographers need them.

Mirrorless cameras are ideal for the casual user. I use a Micro 4/3 for most of my travel photography but when top image quality is required I would still use a full frame camera.

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armandino
By armandino (5 months ago)

DSLR are not dying, simply the market is finally saturating. For 99% of the people a 5 years old DSLR is much more capable than their skills, no need to change every year or two.

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meland
By meland (5 months ago)

Donnie G
What percentage of the DSLR market is taken up by professionals do you think?

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