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No compromise? Zeiss blogs about its new lens line and the 55mm F1.4

By dpreview staff on Aug 7, 2013 at 08:20 GMT

Zeiss has posted a blog article that talks about the inception and development of its latest line of lenses, led by the 55mm F1.4 that was first shown at Photokina last year. Titled 'No Compromise', it explains how the company is aiming to meet the demands of the latest high resolution sensors, to satisfy the needs of both professional photographers and ambitious hobbyists.

The development of the 55mm F1.4 is discussed by leading members of the team involved, the product managers Nicole Balle, Dr. Michael Pollmann and Christophe Casenave. The ambitious goal was simply to create the best lens on the market, able to realize the full potential of cameras like the 36MP Nikon D800. After interviews with potential customers, the team decided to focus on lenses for portraits, landscapes and still lifes - applications for which the company's manual focus lenses are best suited.

Dr. Pollmann talks about the evaluation of the first prototypes as a key moment of truth; would the lens's predicted performance be visible in actual use? The answer, apparently, was yes: "After we had the first results from the prototypes, even the skeptics were surprised at how clearly the higher image quality becomes visible in the pictures." One compromise that does seem to have been made, though, is size - the 55mm F1.4 is a monster due to to its complex optical system.

This picture of the 55mm F1.4 on a Nikon pro body shows the sheer size of the new lens

The final phase of the project was about bringing the lens to production and sale. Even the packaging was carefully designed: according to Casanave "Such a product is not just unpacked. We want the “unboxing experience”  to be something that is really special and representative about this unique product."  

The 55mm F1.4 will come onto the market towards the end of this year, and Zeiss is confident it will be one of the best lenses on the market. Says Casanave "There will be nothing of comparable quality, and that not only applies to this specific focal length range". It'll be interesting to see whether users agree.

Source: Zeiss Lens Blog

Comments

Total comments: 209
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RicardoPhotos
By RicardoPhotos (8 months ago)

I have a Zeiss on my Canon and do everything with it. Action shots? No problem. If you got skill that is...

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Peter KT Lim
By Peter KT Lim (2 months ago)

Please show us some action picture ? We are glad to learn from you!

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davidkachel
By davidkachel (8 months ago)

Nice lens. What are we supposed to put it on?
Real photographers need REAL VIEWFINDERS.
Selling off my a900 and Zeiss lenses. Sony and Zeiss told me they don't want my money and that, like it or not, I would have to go buy Nikon.

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WastingTime
By WastingTime (7 months ago)

you can put it on a Nikon D800, that would be a good start.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (7 months ago)

it will have to compete with 50/1.4 first,
while I think Nikon is working on a 50/1.2.

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tbcass
By tbcass (6 months ago)

Real photographers have the skills to adapt to new things.

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digital photography
By digital photography (8 months ago)

I will purchase mine nine months when it's discharged used from a tooth doctor that needs to travel back to optical device.

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digital photography
By digital photography (8 months ago)

I will purchase mine nine months when it's discharged used from a tooth doctor that needs to travel back to optical device.

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JonB1975
By JonB1975 (8 months ago)

I've tried handling one of the Touit lenses - that smooth focussing ring is AWFUL and feels cheap. Hopefully this will feel better made - but can you imagine trying to focus the lens in any thing other than ideal circumstances (hot & sweaty or with gloves on)???

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (8 months ago)

This lens better have superb performance wide open at f/1.4...but focusing without a split screen or focus peaking wide open it's a real challenge..

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

no compromise = efficiency not an issue

it looks quite low tech that you will not even need Samyang to make it.

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Balooziggy
By Balooziggy (8 months ago)

yabokkie = IGNORANCE at it's worst!

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Jun2
By Jun2 (8 months ago)

gift of God. How much does it cost? Distance scale sucks though.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

cost could be as low as Franklin, or as high as McKinley if you have to pay a lot of people hanging around.

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exifnotfound
By exifnotfound (8 months ago)

I've only ever found MF difficult with a moving subject.
When it comes to scapes I prefer MF.

For other static subjects I could take it or leave it.
manual focusing in those situations isn't difficult just another thing to do.

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Franco8
By Franco8 (8 months ago)

Yes this may be the best quality lens on the market. Id prefer a second best lens with autofocus so I can capture that instant image. Focusing manually with no split prisim is slow and you either miss the shot or get it out of focus.

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Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (8 months ago)

My $119 50D meets the "demands" of my D800e for f8 landscape just as well, outresolving it handily :^)

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (8 months ago)

" "Such a product is not just unpacked. We want the “unboxing experience” to be something that is really special and representative about this unique product." "

Hah something about this quote just makes me laugh.
Reminds me of the whole $3000 Hassy versions of the Sony RX100M2.

(that said, I'm sure this lens will be pretty cool, unlike the Hassy RX100M2)

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Siff
By Siff (8 months ago)

Did you mean the RX1/RX1R?

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Dr_Jon
By Dr_Jon (8 months ago)

They've done a souped-up RX100 too...

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

There is another dose of Zeiss lens quality at "luminous-landscape.com" in their latest entry about the Zeiss 135mm f2.0 Apo Sonnar.

Their summary sums it up as follows:

.....there are OK lenses, great lenses and spectacular lenses.......

Can't agree with them more.

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Daniel Bliss
By Daniel Bliss (8 months ago)

These lenses are getting insanely big. This looks about the size of Nikon's 105 f2 DC; the only 55mm-equivalent lenses this big until now have been those for 6x7 MF cameras and bigger. I guess 135 FX is turning into the new medium format, and indeed it's probably only medium format-style photographers, using a D800E or future even higher resolution bodies, preferably tripod mounted, and printing 30 inches or more, who will see significant benefits. This new Zeiss line combined with the likes of the D800E looks to me like a perfect replacement for a Mamiya/Hasselblad/Phase One system; but superfluous for traditional 135 format photography.

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Paul Guba
By Paul Guba (8 months ago)

I will buy mine 9 months after it is released used from a dentist that wishes to go back to autofocus.

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Lea5
By Lea5 (8 months ago)

Dentists use Sony

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

search "dental kyocera"
think this lens is designed and made by a Kyocera company,
who hired German website Zeiss.com for marketing.
(Kyocera used to hire Germans before they learned HTML).

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (8 months ago)

My last 35mm film camera that I kept with me at nearly all times, was a Contax S2 - titanium bodied, 100% mechanical shutter - fitted with a Ziess Planar 50mm f1.4. If I wanted other focal lengths, I'd shoot on my Olympus OM-1 and the assortment of Zuikos I had. Renenber, this Contax was my take-everywhere camera, and I wasn't interested in toting a "system" around day-to-day. The results of shooting Kodachrome 25 through this lens, even wide open, were nothing short of stunning. Even made my prime Zuiko glass look fuzzy by comparison.

Since I went digital about 9 years ago, I've been shooting Olympus with Oly zooms. Good images, nice handling, but nothing to compare to my Zeiss 50/f1.4.

I am about to invest in my next DSLR - and am VERY tempted to forego autofocus and zooms, and instead buy a couple of Zeiss prime lenses. Myt only quibble: Nikon's focusing thread runs back-to-front compared to Olympus & Canon, and I am not sure I could get used to that!

Brian

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

Great to know that you are one of the very few who really appreciate the superb optical quality of Zeiss lenses and that you are willing to forego auto focus and zooms.

Since you are about to invest in a DSLR, I would suggest you go for the full frame Canon 6D or 5D Mk3. The 6D would be cheaper. If you are comfortable with APS-C, the new 70D is an alternative.

You can start off with the 35mm f/2.0 ZE and the 50mm f/2.0 macro ZE on your 6D. Later, you can add the 25mm f/2.0 ZE and the 85mm f/1.4 ZE. In fact, almost all of them are excellent with the exception of the 50mm f1.4 ZE which is soft wide open. Thus, the 50mm f/2.0 macro is much better.

Try them and you will be amazed.

Enjoy!

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Yxa
By Yxa (8 months ago)

Why pair this new lens with a sensor from the jurassic period?
Use a Nikon D800 instead

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Nerval
By Nerval (8 months ago)

...Yes, you do get more MP, but actually, at high ISO past ISO800 both Canon and Nikon sensors have the same SNR, and although you probably only get 1 stop of headroom at ISO100 with the Canon compared to the rather mind boggling 2.5-3 stops you get with the Nikon (which you'd probably only use for signle shot HDR, and personnally I don't really like pulling the shadows, it does make some fancy scenes, most of the time it's over the top, but it's not any closer to what the eye sees, well that's debatable I suppose), I'd still would not call Canon sensors "Jurassic" artefacts...
I mean at high ISO there's less than a third of a stop difference... Nikon has more DR, okay, but don't make it sound like you can't pull out a good size print from a 5DIII or a 6D.

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

Whether one choose Nikon or Canon, one is buying into a system. If you prefer Nikon, go ahead. We are not talking about camera system here.

By the way, I wonder whether "Yxa" has really used the Canon 5D Mk3 or 6D and make big size prints up to 20" X30"? Saying the sensor on these cameras are ancient is just absurd.

There is more to photography than having a camera with the most pixels.

Why not use the Nikon 800E? Without the AA filter, it should even be better.

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (8 months ago)

To white shadow: thanks for your encouragement - I definitely want to go full frame, both for depth of field reasons, and to maximise image quality from any new, prime glass I buy.

To Yxa: my current Zeiss Planar is paired with FILM, not a "Jurassic" sensor (unless that's what you call a fine emulsion!). And no, I am not talking about buying a new Zeiss lens for my 9-year-old Olympus E1 - even if they did make the lens with a 4/3rds mount - which they don't!

I am thinking Nikon D800 - possibly the "E" variant.

Brian

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

@ Biowizard.

I think you will have to ignor "Yxa". He is definitely a Nikon fanboy.

Whichever system you are buying is your choice. Both have its advantages and disadvantages. Choose wisely.

The Canon has a wider lens mount. It is wider compared to that of Nikon. They call it "EF".

Nikon has a slight color shift. Check that out.

Check out the Canon user interface. You may find it better than Nikon.

Canon provide you with their free RAW processing software called "Digital Photo Professional" . For Nikon, you will have to pay extra for theirs.

Ultimately, the one that feel the best on your hand is the one for you.

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Yxa
By Yxa (8 months ago)

@ White Shadow it takes one to know one
I have Canon, Olympus , Nikon and Panasonic cameras
How about you?
IQ-vice there is not anything that touches a D800 except Medium format or higher and the this Zeiss lens is geard for the highest IQ too

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GiantTristan
By GiantTristan (8 months ago)

I use Zeiss zf 25/2 , 35/2 and 100/2 with my D800. The results are quite spectacular. and my Nikon F/2.8 zoom lenses are mostly left behind. Zeiss lenses are expensive, but their performance on high resolution cameras is worth the money.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

if it says "lens made in Japan" then the Contax Planar should have been made by the same company that is making this ultra-heavy 55/1.4.

there were some early version ones that used German glass but the quality was not stable. Japanese had better quality control at lower cost.

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Emacs23
By Emacs23 (8 months ago)

@Nerval
Canon tries to be on par at high ISOs, but with no luck: those are still better on Nikons (and became much better after downscaling thanks to modern software NR methods that reconstruct image instead of smoothing out noisy details). But look at color separation tab at dxo: nikon is insanely better!

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Kurnia Lim
By Kurnia Lim (8 months ago)

ehmm Jurassic Period? Can you beat Ansel Adam and some other Jurassic photographers with their jurassic equipment with your D800? LOL

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

is this another Touit designed and made by Tomioka?
who used to make several versions of 55/1.2 and 55/1.4

for manual focus, it's very easy.
just press and hold the shutter while turning the focus ring, and
you will get a perfect shot no matter how shallow is the DOF,
only you don't know when.

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Balooziggy
By Balooziggy (8 months ago)

What BS do you feed on? with a name like yabokkie you must be a plattelander or some redneck from the deep karoo, what on earth do you know about lenses and more specifically Zeiss? Shut your cakehole and go catch your sheep.

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

Having used Zeiss lenses for a while, I must say I am completely satisfied with the optical quality. Even the Canon "L" lenses have difficulty matching them. Just superb. Obviously, if you need a 70-200 zoom lens for shooting catwalk models, then you have no choice but to get the EF 70-200L IS MkII.

Do not fear manual focus. If you are an experience photographer you would have learn that a long time ago and know what to do. If you have not, its never too late too. In many situation like low light, landscape and macro photography, manual focusing may be the preferred choice.

It is good that Zeiss lenses are made to uncompromising professional standards rather than a "consumer friendly price". This is not to say they are super expensive too. In fact, unlike Leica lenses, they are quite affordable.

Try one and you will know why it is so good. Even their UV and polarizing filters are better than others. Same for optical lenses.

Looking forward to test this lens when it is available.

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HiRez
By HiRez (8 months ago)

Wow, that is one bigass 55mm lens. Why can't they make an autofocus version of their lenses though?

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Spectro
By Spectro (8 months ago)

Zeiss is an optical company not so much electronic company. Only zesis lenses I know of that AF is the Zesis designed with Sony for Sony. Sony vario lenses are Sony/minolta AF with Zesis optic.

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Petka
By Petka (8 months ago)

Autofocus lens would have to have light, easily movable and relatively few individual lens groups. When doing a no-compromize optical design the lens movement becomes complicated and heavy, too heavy to be moved swiftly by the AF mechanism. So rather than have autofocus which would be slow, they do a no-compromize manual focus, so that there will not be bad press about slow autofocus...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

Zeiss is an optical company who don't know much optics.
Zeiss is a brand used by some Japanese makers, among them
only Sony have experience to design good internal focus lens.

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glacierpete
By glacierpete (8 months ago)

Zeiss tries a little bit too much to copy Leica's boutique marketing. They even copied the yellow orange focal lenth marks. "unboxing experience” :)

I do have a small Contax/Zeiss 50/1.4. Very, very good lens and cheap. (the latest version of it can be easily converted to Nikon mount BTW).

The Contax G Zeiss 45/2.0 range finder lens is even better and way smaller. Considered one of the best lenses ever build. There even is a Nex/Contax G autofocus adapter.

That all for a small fraction of the price of this new Cosina wonder. Someone will have to try hard to find a bad prime lens in this focal length :)

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Lea5
By Lea5 (8 months ago)

Hey yabokkie! I would happily invite you to come here to Germany and visit with me the Zeiss company. I'm sure your face would fall off if you see what is produced here. And no, there are no Japanese walking around here, like you think. If I see one, I will make a picture and send it to you ;-). And if Zeiss has "no clue" about optics, why are their optics used in allmost all military vehicles in the world like the Leopard 2, Merkava etc, or Satelites, or medical optics?
I think the only one who has no clue is you. Truth can be cruel, I know.
I know what is good glass on my D800E and D4, it's Zeiss!

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Jan Madsen
By Jan Madsen (8 months ago)

In reply to Petka: There is no technical obstruction for making the lens autofocus. The Canon 85mm f/1.2 moves the complete optical system (except the rearmost element) during (auto)focusing, and that is one heavy clump of glass, much heavier than a 55mm f/1.4. Same with the Canon 50mm f/1, also a heavy lens with lots of glass.

Zeiss has decided to omit AF, that is a marketing decision. Makes the system technically much simpler, and they avoid all the hazzle of reverse engineering the AF protocol/interface for each camera brand.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

that's correct. MF is a result of technical incapability.

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Guy McLoughlin
By Guy McLoughlin (8 months ago)

I'm sure at $4K US, many people won't be lining up to buy this lens... :-)

I imagine it will be an outstandingly good lens, and may be the best FF standard lens when used at f/1.4, but $4K US is kind of steep for most of us.

http://www.cameraegg.org/zeiss-55mm-f1-4-distagon-t-lens-the-best-fast-50mm-ever/

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

it may worth a grand if can resolve really good at open.
say a standard 50/1.4 stopped down beyond f/2.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (3 weeks ago)

Sooner spend $4000 on great Zeiss than $2000 on a mediocre 58mm f/1.4 Nikon.

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photo_rb
By photo_rb (8 months ago)

I hope when this lens comes out in the market, people will not look and the name and the price and blindly say it is the sharpest lens in its class. ...as people sometimes do...

Test the heck out of it.

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (8 months ago)

I own Leica,Hasselblad,Nikon,Zeiss and canon lenses.. I have seen a few shots taken with this new Zeiss and they were very impressive...

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Zvonko
By Zvonko (8 months ago)

beautiful... want one now

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Kali108
By Kali108 (8 months ago)

I sure wish Zeiss would at least tell us what FL's they intend to release with the Uber design. Enough with the vague hints, "landscape" etc. I'm very interested in these lenses. Appears to be significantly narrowing the gap with MFDBs at a fraction of the cost.

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (8 months ago)

Np A.f and no Leaf shutters mean's that no matter how good it is it has little chance of stealing medium format user's...

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designdef
By designdef (8 months ago)

The last thing a Pro. Photographer needs is an 'unboxing experience' Yes it's def. aimed at the ambitious hobbyist!
PS: How about a DPR list of photographer hierarchy so we all know where we stand? I've always considered myself to be a Pro-sumer until this beast came along:(

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BJN
By BJN (8 months ago)

It's too bad that modern DSLRs are lousy for manual focusing, except in live view. The retro manual focusing lens needs a camera retrofitted with a 1970's style focusing screen.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

live view is way better than optical view finder,
which is mostly rubbish.

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (8 months ago)

oh this plum has turned up again.

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Hubertus Bigend
By Hubertus Bigend (8 months ago)

@yabokkie: No, compared to decent SLR finders like the ones in Minolta SLRs made in the 1970s (XD7) and 1980s (X-700) it clearly isn't. Even with aids like "focus peaking", in many situations you still need to activate a zoom-in feature, too, to be able focus correctly, making manual focus a no-go for everything that needs quick reaction.

That said, I haven't yet tested the latest generation EVFs myself (Olympus VF-4, Panasonic GX7).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

SLR style optical viewfinder was invented for accurate framing
not need on digital cameras because live view is better.

it was later used for PDAF, which is still needed today,
but its days are numbered.

there is nothing that can be better, more accurate than using the main image sensor for focus, exposure, color, ... everything.

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Nerval
By Nerval (8 months ago)

You'd be surprised to see how some people manage outdo autofocus both in terms of precision and speed using manual focus with a viewfinder and a good focus screen. It does take a lot of practice I suppose (I'm really not good with it, but I've met a couple of photographers who obtain astounding results, with minimum fuss).
Truth is for stills, it's really hard to beat you eye, and only last gen EVF start to be decent. I had a Canon AE1, it had a quite decent focus screen, and with the smooth 50/1.4 you'd hardly miss focus.
I find it hard to focus correctly on the fly with EVFs (screens or OVF styled), with a screen under 460K it's almost impossible, and even with 1M dots, the image is clear but depth remain harder to judge than with the naked eye through a good FF VF.

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

If one is a "true blue" photographer who have been shooting for years, manual focus is never a problem.

Obviously, if one is using a cheap auto focus lens without a focusing scale for manual focus, it may be a problem.

All Zeiss lenses are designed for manual focus which has a focusing scale with precise long throw focus ring turning. Its so smooth that manual focusing can even be preferred.

Those who have not used them do not know what they are talking about. Besides, if the focus point is in focus, the point lights up as it will be in auto focus.

There is also the art of "zone focusing". Find out if one do not know what it is about. Its a very useful technique for landscape and street photography.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

I tried it once at local Zeiss event here and I was truly impressed with its wide open performance.
I think it is reasonably priced for what it is , even consider it cheap a bargain.
but for me it is just too huge , it is about as big and heavy as my Nikon AF-S24-70mm f2.8GED N lens.
I owned the zeiss 135mm f2 APO but I sold it for the Zeiss 50mm f2 MP and Zeiss 18mm f3.5 because I could not tolerate the weight and size of the 135mm APO, I think the 55 f1.4 won't sell well enough to justify this new line(they are just too heavy and awkward to use.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (8 months ago)

So, its reasonable priced?

But, I have not seen any price yet.

Have you?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

the weight means quality ... and price.
like one dollar per gram (it's more related to aperture size)

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HiRez
By HiRez (8 months ago)

Reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park where they are stuck in the cars.

GENNARO: Are they heavy?
TIM: Yeah.
GENNARO: Then they're expensive. Put them back.

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coudet
By coudet (8 months ago)

@Roland - Price is said to be ~ €3,000

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (8 months ago)

€3000 is a hefty price for a lens. Maybe the Samyang thingies are just as good ?

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coudet
By coudet (8 months ago)

@Roland

Depends on the quality, I guess. Leica 50/1.4 is $4,000. If Zeiss is as good as they say it is, I think the price is acceptable.

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (8 months ago)

why cant they follow Leica and hassleblads example and cover it in polar bear fur or something?

Good on them for sticking to what they do best.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

don't mix up Leica with Hassy. Leica is doing very well and designing and producing its own cameras while Hassy is just re-decorating some of Sony RX line cameras.
Leica X2 , M240 are both great and if I have to get one camera to keep in my coat pocket , it would have to be the X2(I hope the X3 or whatever called X2 successor will get great video mode, though).

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BJN
By BJN (8 months ago)

Leica is also doing light cosmetic changes to some Panasonic cameras and doubling the rebranded camera's price with the red dot tax. The difference is Leica still has some taste, while Hasselblad has embraced kitsch bling for its repackaging atrocities.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

Leica is a company that makes stickers,
Hassy is a company that makes handgrips.

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Max Fun
By Max Fun (8 months ago)

Leica also has a hand in designing the lenses on the cameras that they rebrand. I'm not exactly sure how involved they are in the process, but at least the lenses have their names on it.

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jhinkey
By jhinkey (8 months ago)

IQ came first - that was the no compromise issue.
Size, weight, (cost?) secondary within reason.
Today's best performing lenses are highly telecentric and thus are much longer in physical length than their film-lens ancestors and have much more complex optical designs.

I doubt I'd ever own one of these lenses - I hope that uncompromised IQ includes:
- Very good sharpness across the frame (into the extreme corners) wide open
- Excellent sharpness across the frame stopped down just a bit before diffraction starts kicking in
- APO-like performance
- Very good bokeh
- Very low residual spherical aberrations wide open so that it can used to shoot stars with fast shutter speeds/low ISO

As a landscape lens the weight is an issue for me unless I'm not far from home. It also appears to be pretty large so it takes up a lot of space either in the bag or while mounted on the camera thus limiting it's appeal in some circumstances.

Hope those that buy it are pleased with it's performance!

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

they are unlike Leica compromising it in size and bulk.
if they want to be like Leica , they have to make it as good as it is but smaller and lighter, other wise , it won't be any good for people who choose Leica.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (8 months ago)

The Leica are small because they are non tele centric at all. That can be achieved by having a shorter flange distance and a sensor with off set micro lenses.

A F1.4 super quality 55 mm lens for SLR cameras cannot be that small.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

the easiest lens to make for SLRs.

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ZhanMInG12
By ZhanMInG12 (8 months ago)

Actually Leica does not have telecentric issues with its 50mm primes. The current summilux uses a similar double gaussian structure as Canon's 50mm primes. The size is partly due to the short flange range of the m mount, but also partly due to Leica being absolutely paranoid about not clogging up the RF window too much.

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xmeda
By xmeda (8 months ago)

Bring K-Mount back

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Starkiller
By Starkiller (8 months ago)

A lens without AF is like a car without power steering. It works, but in 2013 nobody will buy it.

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groucher
By groucher (8 months ago)

You're generalising with no evidence. I'd buy this if I didn't already own a set of classic Nikon metal bodied lightweight manual wide angle/standard primes.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

maybe you do not want to fork out this much for a MF lens , but if you know how feaking SHARP it is , you may change your opinion.
and, it is relatively cheap considering how sharp and well made it is.
it is nothing like Nikon Canon Sony junk.
I just hope they can make it smaller even if it becomes a bit more expensive than it is.
if you do not understand why people buy Zeiss or Leica without AF , you might need to try one of Zeiss zF or ZE line lenses such as Zeiss 21 mm f2.8, Zeiss 25mm f2 , Zeiss 50mm f2 , Zeiss 100mmf2 or even better the new 135mm f2 APO(the best Zeiss AF line to date).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

they don't have the capability to make AF lenses.

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Vadimka
By Vadimka (8 months ago)

I won't buy a car without power steering, but I will buy MF lenses, always did always will.

The bigger question to me is: Will I ever buy another DSLR???
(when MirrorLess is so good)

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Kali108
By Kali108 (8 months ago)

Really Yabo? Have you looked at the Sony / Zeiss lens line up? Hmmm...the Touit Zeiss lenses? Yah, more than capable.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

Zeiss is a brand for third class Japanese makers
who don't have a good brand of themselves.
so the answer depends on which third class maker.

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Nerval
By Nerval (8 months ago)

Eh... Zeiss produces top quality optical glass, that their photography department, for instance, then assemble in lenses, with almost no distortion, nor chromatic aberration, and most of the time with nothing-short-of-stunning results in sharpness, into well built, easy to operate manual focus lenses... I don't think you can reduce zeiss or leica to just taking a tax on lenses made for Japanese manufacturer... It's a bit much.
And no they did not develop an AF system, for the simple reason that it is expensive, requires to make compromises in size or optical design and that anyway AF can never be as accurate as MF and people who buy these lenses use them for applications in which detail and thus proper technique play a preponderant role...
So sure, not everyone will enjoy it, and I see very few reasons why I personally would shoot Zeiss not being (good enough?) obsessed with detail and technique, and sure it's not the lens for casual snaps, but hey, it definitely has a market.

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Jun2
By Jun2 (8 months ago)

cost?

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (8 months ago)

You know why they say. If you need to ask... ;-)

J/k

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

manufacturing cost more than 100 US for small volume.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

Canon Nikon Sony junks are like that but Zeiss primes are not cheap made lenses , get one and you get the concept of it pretty well and you may even love it.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

the cost won't be too high because it can be made in backstreet workshop with plain old tools (pre-WW2 if no aspherical elements).

there used to be many so called "yojohan" (7.5 sqm) workshops not so far away from my place that manfactured high quality products that drove Leica and Zeiss out of the market near half a century ago.

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Ron A 19
By Ron A 19 (8 months ago)

Seems to me that these new zeiss lenses are aimed at the medium format crowd. Instead of getting a Leica S and 70mm f2.5, you can get a Nikon D800 and 55mm f1.4 (both for less money than the 70mm S lens and much less than the S camera). Should have similar DOF and similar resolution. Looks like they're ultimately designed for studio work.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

the D800E is a good camera but it cannot beat a Leica or MFDB just like D7100 cannot touch the D800E in terms of resolution and tonal range.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

I trust what you say but I have too many 50mm something lenses and standard 50/1.4 ones (D and EF) work great and an MF lens with better image quality may not give me better shots at the end of the day.

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Ron A 19
By Ron A 19 (8 months ago)

You're referring to the tonal range of cameras today. This lens is built for today's cameras and future cameras that will have the same tonal range at FF as the MFDBs have right now.

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Silvarum
By Silvarum (8 months ago)

@3systermuser: I think Ron meant that it can beat Leica S, because Leica's sensor is not much bigger than FF

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (8 months ago)

@silvarum,,, Leica S lenses are amazing...and the S viewfinder,leaf shutters and auto focus is excellent..

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Camediadude
By Camediadude (8 months ago)

Man, I would love to be filthy rich! What a stocking stuffer such a lens could make ...

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (8 months ago)

"We want the “unboxing experience” to be something that is really special ..."

The "unboxing experience": nothing needs to be added, really.

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Artistico
By Artistico (8 months ago)

Says it all, doesn't it?

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (8 months ago)

A seriously sad phenomenon...

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (8 months ago)

It's always good to show you can do this sort of thing, like concept cars at the auto show. Whether existing 50mm lenses are not good enough I'm not so sure. Great news for Digilloyd and and Lens Rentals.

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (8 months ago)

Apparently Roger Cicala at LensRentals is planning to include comparative unboxing in future lens tests.
Lloyd Chambers already does. Comparing with other Zeiss lenses only, of course.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (8 months ago)

Hell people will start blogging and tweeting as the experience unfolds and even worse others will be glued to their seat listening and watching.

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (8 months ago)

So they polled photographers who are looking for a portrait lens that will resolve the pores of their subjects?

A lens this theoretically sharp makes far more sense as a macro, not as a portrait lens. However, if I was to use a 55 for landscape (I use 24 which is plenty wide even though I have a 14mm prime), this will certainly take advantage of the D800 36MP. Those who think landscape with a 55 is not beneficial will find that using a 55 will mean the subject is framed tighter and less concern about foreground elements, this means the apertures won't be stopped down below the diffraction limits of the D800 dense sensor.

It's actually pretty clever of Zeiss to do it this way. The sharpest lens for landscape for sure and no one will complain because they won't be trying to go for the deepest depth of field with this field of view.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

you can just get a put-on filter to do close-up with it , Zeiss just has some great close-up filters to go with it.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

close focus is a headache in lens design.
why most German lenses don't focus close.

portrait means shooting at 25x focal length.
macro means 2x (up to 4x for zooms)

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Studor13
By Studor13 (8 months ago)

ZEISS, not Zeiss.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

not zeiSS

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (8 months ago)

He spelled his name Carl ZEISS which was very unusual at the time.

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BJN
By BJN (8 months ago)

Uh, no. At least not until the Carl Zeiss website starts using caps lock with anything like consistence. http://lenses.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/en_us/home.html

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GearGuru
By GearGuru (8 months ago)

Zei$$

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GearGuru
By GearGuru (8 months ago)

Zei$$

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GearGuru
By GearGuru (8 months ago)

Zei$$

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shaunly
By shaunly (8 months ago)

It'll be very interesting to see how this lens match against the legendary NOCT 58/1.2

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cd cooker
By cd cooker (8 months ago)

can someone tell me why some lens companies use x,x instead of x.x to represent the max F number? In this lens, it shows 1,4. Thanks

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AstroStan
By AstroStan (8 months ago)

Germans use coma instead of period to denote the decimal place.

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cd cooker
By cd cooker (8 months ago)

Thanks. But what's the point to use comma instead of period? It is wrong to me to use comma to represent a decimal number.

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BaroqueMus
By BaroqueMus (8 months ago)

It's only we Anglo/Americans who use the dot. The rest of the world, being sensibly metric, uses the comma. And also uses spaces instead of commas to divide groups of three digits, e.g.: 365 365 365,653. In case you're interested.

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Nerval
By Nerval (8 months ago)

+1,4
I was just about to say, not just Germans, all of us in Europe (except UK and Ireland) use the metric system, hence we use the comma...

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Chris Yates
By Chris Yates (8 months ago)

No compromise?
1. Size (actually I prefer large-but others may not)
2. Weight (and heavy-but others may not)
3. Price (I prefer cheap-othera may not)
4. Made in Japan vs. made at home in Germany (I don't care-but others may)
5. no AF (I love AF, but I also love a smooth MF)
6. colour (I like white, doesn't heat up while doing landscapes in hot California or FL)
7. no IS (no go for me).

I see a lot of compromise. Maybe they ought to have said no compromise in optical design. Now I have to wonder.....

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sdribetahi
By sdribetahi (8 months ago)

Wat to pick it apart to the Nth degree over the EXACT wording.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

wait for Samyang if you want a better glass (but no AF, IS).

lenses should be all black from photographic point of view.

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Chris Yates
By Chris Yates (8 months ago)

f/ 0.7 anyone?
I may compromise myself and purchase this lens if I get a better paying job or hit a jackpot, or wait till the children graduate from college (another 8 years!!!)

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (8 months ago)

But that's what "no compromise" means; they've decided on one attribute (image quality) and they're not compromising on small size, weight, AF etc. to get it.

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Chris Yates
By Chris Yates (8 months ago)

Perhaps stating "no compromise on image quality" would have clarified things, otherwise it's just a marketing gimmick.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (8 months ago)

Don't think I'll be running out to buy a 50 to do landscape with.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (8 months ago)

50mm and longer f.l. landscape shots existed before the current wide angle fetish dominated.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

400/5.6L is a very good landscape lens, too.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

in fact the best landscape lenses for the D800E is 50mm f2 MP or 85mm f1.4 G lens.
you just need a lot of time to do stitching in Photoshop CC, but they are optically much better than any boring super wide so-called landscape lens such as 21mm f2.8, 14-24mm f2.8G or 18mmf3.5
and , you do not have to shoot wide.
so in real life this lens will be a great landscape lens for the D800E if not the best.

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

@ 3systermuser

You are absolutely right. With photo stitching capability nowadays, there is less need to shoot with wide angle lens unless there are a lot of moving subjects.

50mm is an appropriate focal length to use for photo stitching as there is very little distortion of the image. Wide lenses tend to exagerate the foreground while telephoto lenses tend to compress the image.

There is no limit as to how wide you want the photo to cover. One can even do 360 degree photography or virtual photography with a 50mm lens.

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Rod McD
By Rod McD (8 months ago)

Every lens is potentially a landscape lens but I sill prefer modest WAs. It just depends how you see the world, what you want to capture and what you have with you. Stitching has also come incredibly far (though there are still issues with subject movement) but some of us prefer to spend more time out there and behind a camera than on a computer doing PP. Each to his own.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (8 months ago)

Looks fantastic, I really like the "clean" design! I wonder how it compares with the new Zeiss/Sony Planar T* 50/F1.4 ZA SSM.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (8 months ago)

wish they clean out the blue dirt, too.

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (8 months ago)

Lucas, the 55/1.4 blows the 50/1.4 out of the water at large apertures.

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3systermuser
By 3systermuser (8 months ago)

no comparison there, the 55 is a much better lens.
I had the Sony 50mm f1.4ZA but returned it since it was not as sharp as I wanted it to be at wide aperture and it had flare issue.

at f2.8 and on , the Sony 50 ZA is very sharp but still not as sharp as the 55.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (8 months ago)

Well, if that's the case, then I hope Zeiss also makes it with the Sony A-mount!

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love_them_all
By love_them_all (8 months ago)

I'm take a wild guess. This lens will cost about the same, if not more than the Leica APO 50/2 M. It's aim the luxury market where owners could sleep better at night knowing they have the bragging rights on certain things. :)

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biza43
By biza43 (8 months ago)

Wrong. It's market will be pros and enthusiastic photographers who need the ultimate image quality from combining a top quality lens with top quality sensors available today, in 35mm format. Simple. If you don´t have enough money, or do not need it, move on, there are other good lenses around.

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depscribe
By depscribe (8 months ago)

Actually, it's a very expensive way to confirm that the problem with the pictures was the photographer, not the equipment.

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (8 months ago)

Damn, these shots are NFG! Obviously a bad copy "unboxing experience".

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

I must agree with biza43. Zeiss have their standards. They make lenses to professional quality not to a price to please consumers with a budget.

It is good to have at least one optical company not making a lens to a "consumer pleasing price". Superior products, like gourmet food, are usually made in small quantity. Due to the lack of enonomy of scale, it will always be more expensive.

Similarly, cinematic lenses are very expensive. They are made to professional standards for the movie industry not the average consumer home videographer. The layman can forget about them but it is fine.

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photoramone
By photoramone (8 months ago)

Does ZEISS make lenses to fit most brands of cameras?? I would love to see a discussion of lens manufacturers, and lens quality of various name brand lenses. I'm a rather serious enthusiast, and really don't claim to be well informed. I would like to read opinions of these more advanced and more opinionated lens buyers/users. Ramone.

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cjhwang
By cjhwang (8 months ago)

Yes, they make them for Canon, Nikon, Sony, and M (Leica, etc) mounts. Rumors that they are planning for Fuji X-mount also.

On the "quality" of manufacturers, it seriously is a price = performance. A lot of people say Nikon this, Canon that, but in the end at least from my experience (over 3 decades) is the "color" of the manufacturer. Canon consistently gives warmer tones (redish) and Nikon is more neutral, while Zeiss is cooler (blueish, higher contrast) Although with Digital age that seems to be less of an issue. etc etc

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ZhanMInG12
By ZhanMInG12 (8 months ago)

Zeiss makes lenses for almost any mount you can think of. The Sony AF line, ZE, ZF.2, ZM are currently available, but Zk for Pentax has been discontinued. My experience with them have been very positive, they tend to maintain color consistency across systems, which is more than most other lens makers - even Leica can say.

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white shadow
By white shadow (8 months ago)

ZhanMInG12 has summarized it well.

Zeiss lenses are about the best you can buy in the market despite it is manual focus. Once you have used one you may be addicted for life. They make excellent cinematic lenses too.

You can read more about them at:

* fredmiranda.com

* diglloyd.com

Enjoy!

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Rod McD
By Rod McD (8 months ago)

"It was decided to focus on portraits, landscapes and still lifes". Personally I'll be interested to see the landscape lens(es). I'm assuming that they'd have to be looking at a couple of FLs (say 24mm & 35mm at the very least). And I sincerely hope that they're going to make them significantly smaller and lighter than this one. Zeiss need to understand that size and weight can be a compromise too. Serious landscapers will want lighter kit if they've got to carry them and all the hiking gear on a two week trek.......

I don't care too much for AF, and have no interest in the other lenses.

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biza43
By biza43 (8 months ago)

For landscapes, they have a 18mm, 21mm, and 25mm lenses for several digital mounts. But in this area, for example Canon already has two really good prime lenses, both tilt and shift:17 and 24mm.
Personally, I use the Zeiss 25 f/2 on my Canon 6D, and I am really happy with the quality.

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Rod McD
By Rod McD (8 months ago)

I know the existing line of excellent Zeiss lenses - they've been available for years. Given all the "no compromise" hype in their new blog, I've read this to mean that this is the first of a new line of Zeiss lenses, perhaps analogous to Sigma's new "Art" line. Maybe I'm wrong in that, and the lenses you refer to are indeed the landscape lenses. (A 55mm lens can also be used for landscape of course but if I was going to carry this one, I may as well carry a 4X5").

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (8 months ago)

No compromises… except for high price, great weight and size, and lacking of autofocus and image stabilization.

If they designed a so big lens for a camera with 36 MP, I wonder what will be the size and weight of a Zeiss lens for the 100 MP cameras that will come to the market in the next few years.

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coudet
By coudet (8 months ago)

It would be exactly the same size, since this lens is it. You'll be able to use this lens on 100mp+ no problem, assuming it's as good as Zeiss claim.

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (8 months ago)

Not exactly. Zeiss says explicitly that the design target was a lens resolution good enough for a 36 MP sensor:

"In 2012, the Nikon D800 came on the market, equipped with a full-frame sensor with 36 megapixels. This was the highest resolution of any sensor in a full-frame camera to date. ZEISS wanted to offer photographers a range of high-end SLR lenses that would enable them to use the full potential of such cameras. Such a combination would achieve performance values that would be comparable to those of medium-format systems."

Bottom line: the performance of the new 55mm Zeiss lens is matched to the D800 sensor, it could even fit the future cameras, but the performance will be insufficient for use with sensors with resolution much higher than 36 MP.

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liquid stereo
By liquid stereo (8 months ago)

@Frank_BR, your logic is problematic.

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mgrum
By mgrum (8 months ago)

@Frank_BR

The design brief was to produce a lens that would enable full resolution of 36MP sensors, not to specifically design for 36MP at the expense of higher resolutions. Designing a lens for a 100MP sensor would also "enable them to use the full potential of such [36MP] cameras"

In any case system MTF is the product of lens MTF and sensor MTF, improving either will improve system MTF

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (8 months ago)

This would all make sense if existing lenses and sensors fell way short of what users need.

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (8 months ago)

Never mind the IQ. Just feel the "unboxing experience"!

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (8 months ago)

@mgrum

Sure, when the 100 MP come about, you will probably be able to mount this Zeiss lens on a Nikon or Canon camera. However, that will be like putting regular gas in a race car! Possible, but not an ideal combination. Consider too that, in a few years from now, Canon and Nikon will have redesigned their lenses lineup to match the performance of the upcoming new sensors, so these MF, non-IS Zeiss lenses will appear even more cumbersome then they are.

to be continued…

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (8 months ago)

Since long ago, Canon and Nikon have the expertise to design small, light and affordable autofocus high-performance lenses. In contrast, Zeiss appears to be still in the XIX century: the auto-nothing Zeiss lenses are heavy and large, use a lot of glass and metal and few aspherical surfaces.

Zeiss uses a traditional approach to design lenses in a world that demands increasingly better optical performance. With Zeiss approach, better performance can only be achieved with more glasses in a complex design. No surprise that each new incarnation of a Zeiss lens is heavier than the previous. I hope that is clear now why I said before that if this 55mm F/1.4 lens is a "monster" (DPR word), I can only imagine the weight and size of the future Zeiss lens good for the future 100 MP cameras!

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3dreal
By 3dreal (8 months ago)

The 100/2.8 macro c/y zeiss belong to the top zeiss lenses ever. maybe you had a used one which didnt yet see service. i have bought a used 60/2.8 1:1. It was only years later, when i first used it that i recognized the blades needed cleaning. In an interview of two zeiss managers(one was dr. hubert nasse) in a german photo magazine i have read that until recently they were not allowed to get the best out of the lenses. and that the new HQ will be at the level of MF photography.
How can we use that lens on nikon, canon SLRs without aperture ring?

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Peter KT Lim
By Peter KT Lim (8 months ago)

Use original Canon 'L' lens you will never regret.

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lightleak
By lightleak (8 months ago)

Very curious to see how this lens performs. What irritates me is that they chose to make a 50mm first. I don't see a lack of great 50mm lenses for FX, if there would only be a great lens between 20 and 24mm.

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coudet
By coudet (8 months ago)

I do see a lack of great 50mm lenses. Right here below, I will make a list all great fast 50mm for Nikon:

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noirdesir
By noirdesir (8 months ago)

@coudet
I think you should have said great fast (as in f/1.x) 50 mm lenses for Nikon. The Zeiss 50 mm f/2 is a great lens.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (8 months ago)

That's a big standard lens...

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (8 months ago)

It has to be that size, otherwise the "unboxing experience" falls short of the targeted specification.

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depscribe
By depscribe (8 months ago)

If there is a reason to get this lens instead of a very good (and very cheap, if you look around) 50mm f1.4 AIS Nikkor manual focus lens (and a KatzEye focusing screen), it is not apparent -- and there would be enough money left over for a 180mm f2.8 Nikkor.

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coudet
By coudet (8 months ago)

I own 50/1.4 AIS and it's not really good. At least it's cheap.

For this 55mm, Zeiss have been saying that this will be the best lens of it's kind on the market. Whole different ballgame.

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depscribe
By depscribe (8 months ago)

That's funny -- the one I have is excellent, as is every other one I've ever used.

Zeiss and Nikon and everyoner else have been making fast normal lenses for a few generations now. That there should be any fuss over one is the triumph of hype.

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