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Canon videos showcase 70D's innovative AF system

By dpreview staff on Jul 3, 2013 at 19:56 GMT
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Canon's new 70D features a ground-breaking 'Dual Pixel CMOS AF' sensor which splits every single pixel into two photodiodes for on-chip phase detection autofocus, promising greatly improved AF performance in live view and movie mode.

As part of its launch materials, Canon has created a video called 'Handmade', shot with the 70D, which showcases the new AF technology alongside another short video feature going behind the scenes. We're hoping to get hold of a reviewable 70D pretty soon, but until then Canon's video, 'Handmade' offers a tantalizing look at the potential of the Dual Pixel CMOS AF system for videographers. We've embedded both videos below.

Canon EOS 70D - 'Handmade' (with shooting information)

 

The Making of 'Handmade'

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Total comments: 145
f64manray
By f64manray (9 months ago)

Pretty cool that they have developed AF focus in live view that rivals a focus puller for focus. They totally intend this cam to do some serious work in the video/cinema realm .....AND YET, THEY LEFT OFF THE HEADPHONE JACK ON A CAMERA INTENDED FOR THE MORE SERIOUS USER!

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (9 months ago)

It's "their" boots.

Go back to kindergarten.

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (9 months ago)

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (9 months ago)

Dude looks like a lady.

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (9 months ago)

Sorry - missed off two additional features from MY 7D MK2 spec: Headphone socket and dual card slots.. now my work is complete and I can go back to taking images.....lovely sunny day across the UK and wait for it HOT.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

want a 7D + 70D + D7100 (take higher spec from each)
without the shame 7D AF unit (1D4 is okay but better 1DX),
with the new 100k imaging AE sensor and AF tracking,
and 1080 60p video.

better
1080 120p, 4K 30p (short clips will make me happy),
with a quad-SD RAID unit.

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Nerval
By Nerval (8 months ago)

And which makes coffee, don't forget coffee... Otherwise it ain't worth buying ;)

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (9 months ago)

The new 70D seems to ME to be MY almost perfect camera (if there is such a thing) IF IF IF the video AF works. I'm not expecting everyone to agree with me but on balance it offers most things without a massive price tag. Improved APS-C sensor ( YES- at last ! ) AF with video (YES) Touch Screen (YES) Compact size but not too small (YES) Faster / better AF with stills (YES). I've been seeking an upgrade from my 40D for ages, the 50D/ 60D didn't cut it, the 7D had problems with its AF (early on) and that 18M sensor isn't as good as it could be for high ISO. What's missing ? Well - dream list - interchangeable focusing screens for use with my manual focus lenses, 100 % viewfinder, bigger buffer, full RADIO wireless flash control and the build quality of the current 7D - gosh - I've just written the spec for the new coming soon 7D MK 2 !!

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Ivan Lietaert
By Ivan Lietaert (9 months ago)

Very impressive, but not entirely new: the Nikon 1 cameras use a similar technology (with a limited number of AF pixels in the sensor).
Still, if this works with some fast lenses (f1.4), it is going to be revolutionary.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

there is subjective room to call something revolutionary.

this Canon sensor is very different from Fujifilm, Sony, or Nikon sensors in that the dual-pixel CMOS AF comes with higher image quality. this is why Canon made all the pixels "dual-pixel CMOS AF", every line, every column, and beyond focusing area.

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Octane
By Octane (9 months ago)

Just curious, how does splitting up each pixel into two, which makes each half the size, higher quality?

I love the idea that the AF is on the actual image sensor as it once and for all eliminates any front/back focusing issues, no matter what causes them. It'll be interesting to see if this sensor design causes a compromise on image quality.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

> how does splitting up each pixel into two,
> which makes each half the size, higher quality?

the readout niose will have a lower share in the final SNR.
more we split the pixels, lower the observed read noise, given everything else the same which is not true but often we can make profit.

a rule of thumb we witness again & again through the years
higher the pixel count, higher the image quality.

P.S., the SNR measured in unit area, or a certain fraction (like 10 millionth) of a sensor, not per pixel.

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smatty
By smatty (9 months ago)

Isn't this what the Fuji X100s already implements?

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Revenant
By Revenant (9 months ago)

Yes, Fuji X100s has on-sensor PDAF, as do X20, F900EXR, HS50EXR, Sony NEX-5R, NEX-6, SLT-A99, Nikon 1, Samsung NX300, Canon EOS M, 650D/Rebel 4Ti, 700D/Rebel 5Ti, 100D/SL1, all with different number and arrangement of PDAF pixels.
But what is revolutionary with the new 70D, is not the fact that it has on-sensor PDAF, but the way in which Canon has achieved it: by splitting every pixel in two, rather than using only the left or right half of a selected number of pixels. This promises to be much better than all those other implementations, none of which is flawless (although Nikon 1 has very good AF, and NX300 is supposedly quite good too).

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smatty
By smatty (9 months ago)

But doesn't it make the actuel light collecting pixel smaller, causing less DR?

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

@smatty - "But doesn't it make the actuel light collecting pixel smaller, causing less DR?"

No, because those split diodes essentially recombine into a single larger diode when capturing the image. As the preview write-up states: "When a photograph is taken, the output from the two photodiodes is combined."

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (9 months ago)

An impressive demo. But being a predominantly stills photographer, I'm mildly concerned over the still image quality of 40.4 million photo-diodes on an APS-C sized sensor, despite being combined to produce 20.2 MPs in that mode. I hope Canon have cracked it and are able to provide the best of best worlds. But I'm not going to get too excited until full image quality tests are carried out on this new sensor/ image processor combo.

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IZO100
By IZO100 (9 months ago)

you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Read before the you post next time.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

it looks that the 40.3M photo-diodes contributed a lot to the high image quality, which will be lower if there were only 20.2M.

a natural step next is to have 80.80M photo-diodes to achieve even higher image quality for 80D.

more photo-diodes we have, higher image quality we get. the design may also allow readout of the charges in dual- or quad-pixel as one at very low light (and very slow speed) because there is no traditional walls seperating them.

> not going to get too excited until full image quality tests
agreed. let's wait and see.

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Michael Knight
By Michael Knight (9 months ago)

wow... I'm impressed with Canon on this one...
bravo...

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Octane
By Octane (9 months ago)

The smooth focus adjustments are great for the kind of video they show. But let's keep in mind every shot was carefully planned and executed to make this new AF shine.
Normal people don't shoot video that way. They sit in the audience of their kids recital and shoot the stage, they are at the edge of the field shooting their kids play football or follow their kids around as they play or do random things. Most people don't plan the video they shoot. I think more 'relatable' shooting scenarios would be helpful to see.
I also don't think holding an SLR + zoom lens with extended arms in front of you (so you can see the LCD) is a good way to shoot video.

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

With the touchscreen and AF CMOS, it really is as simple as tapping on the LCD to focus, or focus adjust. You don't need a whole lot of "careful planning" to do that. Just tap the freakin' touch screen!

Also, the camera is capable of holding focus on whatever you told it to focus on, even as subject distance changes. Not a lot of "careful planning" needed there, either. It's called focus tracking. It works.

And people don't really shoot "with extended arms in front" like they're zombies. Are you *seriously* questioning the use of DSLRs and rear LCD's as effective video cameras? LOLOL! You're a bit late there, pal. DSLRs are already *widely* used for shooting video. Every wedding videographer I work with now uses a DSLR to shoot video-- using the rear LCD. They'd just laugh in your face or roll their eyes if you walked up to them and said, "I don't think holding an SLR + zoom lens with extended arms in front of you (so you can see the LCD) is a good way to shoot video."

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

a grandma may beat an experienced video guy using facial recognition assisted dual-pixel cmos AF tracking.

just find your kid on iPad and touch.

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Octane
By Octane (9 months ago)

Yes tons of people shoot this way using SLRs, but it has nothing to do with ergonomics. It's simply convenient and cost effective to have one camera to do both. It allows you to use high quality lenses and large sensors (=good image quality) for video. That advantage has nothing to do with the fact that it's not an ideal way to hold a camera in that way for a while.

Let me see how you hold an SLR with a 70-200/2.8 one foot in front of your face with one hand and, follow a kid running on the field, and try to use the other hand to tap the "freaking" screen. Or hold it like that for 30 min shooting a stage show.

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

@Octane - "Let me see how you hold an SLR with a 70-200/2.8 one foot in front of your face with one hand and, follow a kid running on the field, and try to use the other hand to tap the 'freaking' screen. Or hold it like that for 30 min shooting a stage show."

Geez, is that the best you got? First of all, I assume we're still talking about DSLR video shooting, right? Ever hear of a monopod? LOL. Also, I think I'd tap the screen to acquire initial focus, then just let the focus tracking follow the "kid running on the field."

As you can hopefully see, you're simply offering a desperately absurd description that has no resemblance to how people actually do things in the real world! If I know I'm going to be using a 70-200/2.8 to shoot video, I'll mount it on a monopod, allowing me to comfortably shoot for as long as I want. I use a Bogen/Manfrotto 676B Digi Monopod travel monopod that is very light, compact when collapsed, you hardly know its there. Simple solution! Think, man!

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

As with any piece of equipment, there is a good way and a bad way to use it. Yes, if you:

"hold an SLR with a 70-200/2.8 one foot in front of your face with one hand...trying to use the other hand to tap the 'freaking' screen...for 30 min shooting a stage show"

...that is a *bad* way to hold it. That's why *no one* holds it that way for that situation! Duh! But frankly, I have used very large lenses to shoot video on a DSLR while looking at the rear LCD. However, as with most video shooting, I'm doing it in fairly short clips, and it's not nearly as big a deal as you make it out to be. In fact, most videographers (who have now switched to DSLRs) eventually realized it's not such a big deal either, so that's why they ended up switching over to a DSLR. Plus, the weight of the lens can give a beneficial stabilizing effect. And if I need to shoot much longer clips, I use my handy-dandy monopod to support the weight of the gear...just like a photographer would!

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (9 months ago)

You're holding it wrong.

-Steve Jobs

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SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (9 months ago)

The movie is really bad, especially the obtrusive music. Are they trying to make bad impression (intentionally) on the new 70D? so that it won't conflict with their own product in higher price range?

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

I don't think most of us even noticed the music. At least I didn't. I was paying more attention to the focus movement and performance. Who in the world determines whether or not to buy a 70D vs another one of Canon's products "in a higher price range" based on what music was playing in the background? That has got to be the most superficial and inane complaints I've seen posted here. I guess that'd be like determining which camera to buy based on the artistic value and/or aesthetic composition of studio lab test shots taken with camera!

As for the movie being "really bad"...what, were you expecting some engrossing plot line, nail-biting drama, love story, or plot twist? Hahaha. Seriously, though, it was simply an exhibition of what a real videographer can do with the camera in a variety of situations. Too bad you were counting on it for some kind of entertainment value. What, too cheap to pay for Netflix or go to the cinema? LOL.

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SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (9 months ago)

I'm just a normal person, and I felt the movie was bit odd and uncomfortable to watch so I commented. If you feel differently, then that's totally fine.

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AlanG
By AlanG (9 months ago)

The focus was on focus. So focus on that please. Besides, how do you know you are normal?

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SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (9 months ago)

yeah right... I might not be "normal"
but am I the only one who thought something was wrong with that movie? the music ,timing, lighting, composition... just everything is off, and I could hardly "focus" on the topic of the movie.

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

@ SRT3lkt - I think the issue is more with you than with the video. Seriously, you really think that "just everything is off" with the video? LOL. "Everything" is off? From the music, to the timing, to the lighting, to the composition, you claim? And you could "hardly focus"? LOL. Maybe "just everything is off" with you! Just a thought. Yes, maybe you're right...that you "might not be 'normal'." Time to take your meds?

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SRT3lkt
By SRT3lkt (9 months ago)

What kind of medication you think I should be taking?
You might be making sensible point by writing so much though...

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chrisnfolsom
By chrisnfolsom (9 months ago)

The movie worked for what it was supposed to show. Not sure what you were expecting. It showed the focusing from different vantage points with different transitions. I am impressed, and I am sure many will be waiting for a full frame version.

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AlanG
By AlanG (9 months ago)

SRT3lkt. They are selling a camera not a movie. The idea is for you to learn from the video to understand what the camera can do so you can go out and make your own movie with music, lighting, timing, and composition that you like. This is carefully explained in the second part. Do you think every time a company posts sample photos from a camera they are all supposed to be masterpieces? No they are demonstrating capabilities. That's it.

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David Elliott Lewis
By David Elliott Lewis (9 months ago)

This camera can be very helpful to photographers like me who specialize in social and event photography - usually covering fast changing events populated with even faster moving subjects. There is often no time to change lenses nor even take the time to manually focus.

Additionally, to get an establishing shot in big crowds, I often have to hoist the camera 4 to 5 feet overhead on a monopod and trigger the photo with a shutter release cable. In that case, I am totally dependent on auto-focus. This Canon EOS 70D seems like it would be very helpful. My desire for it grows.

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

I do a lot of overhead shots at weddings and events too. Right now, I'm basically "shooting blind", but with the WiFi capability, the option to remotely control the camera from an iPad or smart phone, with streaming live view, the ability to specify the desired focus point, and to control things like shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation and ISO without touching the camera or even being near the camera (and with no wires or cables!) should be a big advantage. Remote Live View focusing and shooting is going to be amazing. No more blind shooting.

And these capabilities are definitely going to fine their way into Canon's top-tier pro bodies, which are being used for remote shooting (mounted up in the rafters of sports events, mounted on robotic gimbals, etc.) more than ever.

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (9 months ago)

My 6D + EOS remote ONLY controls stills functions.

Yes, I would like for it to also control video.

Canon, are you listening?

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PhotoKhan
By PhotoKhan (9 months ago)

If the AF effectively performs as advertised and shown here, this is HUGE.

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The Photo Ninja
By The Photo Ninja (9 months ago)

Ok cool. However, professional shot with proper lighting and amazing stabilization equipment and rigs. Lets see how it does in run and gun shooting.

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

Obviously, if you're 'run and gun shooting' like a maniac, it will show in your results. Blame that on the user, not the equipment. Sloppy shooting, whether you're talking about still photography or video shooting, will obviously effect your results, and you can't just blame the camera for your own sloppy shooting. Good results, even in today's day and age, still benefit from a bit of care and consideration from the user!

Rather than saying, "Lets see how it does in run and gun shooting", I prefer to think of it this way: "In spite of the significant advancements in technology and photographic performance over the decades, lets see how bad shooters can still produce crappy results-- and still blame it on their equipment!" Maybe some day, equipment will be so amazing that you can even give it to a chimp "run and gun shooting" through a jungle, and the chimp would produce excellent results. But until then, the user's skills do still matter.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

> Lets see how it does in run and gun shooting.

I used to love video games now GIs play in real battlefields.
I won't say more fun people killing each other with guns but
definitely more fun shooting each other with Canon.

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (9 months ago)

wondeing if a "Quad pixel CMOS AF" would even further improve the AF
performance

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

and the image quality.
looking forward to an 80D with 80.80M photodiodes.

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dbmdbmdb
By dbmdbmdb (9 months ago)

Too much "cheese".

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KAllen
By KAllen (9 months ago)

Canon testing the water on a budget level camera to iron out the bugs before launching the new tech on their upmarket cameras.
Whatever replaces the 7D should be good, now if they combine this with 10bit pro res it will be something to be reckoned with. But that is not going to happen anytime soon.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

there may come a 51.7MP (103M photo-diodes) on a 35mm full-frame sensor for 3D? (not three dimensional)

7D: low resolution, medium frame rate,
6D: low resolution, slow frame rate,
5D: low resolution, medium frame rate,
3D: medium resolution, slow frame rate, similar to D800,
1D: low resolution, fast frame rate.

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Deeso
By Deeso (9 months ago)

So this innovation is more useful to videographers than photographers...

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Taikonaut
By Taikonaut (9 months ago)

Anything that is shot using live view so this would also include photographers.

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PredatorsPrey
By PredatorsPrey (9 months ago)

Or for people who use the display to take photos ;) But sometimes even that is useful in awkward positions, so I think it'll have it's use for people who need it and who have the money.

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viking79
By viking79 (9 months ago)

Exactly, with mirrorless becoming more popular this could really help the M series.

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Deeso
By Deeso (9 months ago)

Thanks for make it clear :-)

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T3
By T3 (9 months ago)

I would definitely say touchscreen focusing is something that can be very useful for photographers. Sometimes you have your camera mounted on a tripod, and you're previewing the image on the rear screen. Rather than fiddling with wheels or toggles or joysticks to try to get the focus point on the area you want focused, it's a lot easier just to touch the screen exactly on the location you want the camera to focus on.

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Randompunter
By Randompunter (9 months ago)

I don't know how the woman eats the pizza whilst maintaining white teeth and perfectly pink lipstick? Is that new Canon technology? It may not be everything you ever wanted but come on folks how long have we been begging for a new sensor? It has better but not ground breaking AF and Continuous Shooting, and the live/video AF looks impressive. If I was stood in front of your 50D, 60D, 650D, 700D with a magic wand and said that one wave and it is a 70D you'd bite my arm off (obviously the one without the wand in). Even 7D owners would have to think about it.

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Bogdan Spineanu
By Bogdan Spineanu (9 months ago)

This video it's not a documentary. Not a news video.
And there is good lipstick out there that stays on through a slice of pizza. :)
Don't get caught in the scrubby look of everything.

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vmicho
By vmicho (9 months ago)

You nailed it with pizza and lipstick :D

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Shunda77
By Shunda77 (9 months ago)

When I want to do Pizza videos, I will buy this camera. *best* *kitchen utensil* *eva*

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (9 months ago)

Save your $1200 and buy yourself a camphone. You'd have enough extra dough to buy pizza for a whole year.

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vester vesto
By vester vesto (9 months ago)

wow it make movie easier... love it !!!

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Princess Leia
By Princess Leia (9 months ago)

This is not innovation. Sony has been doing the phase detection autofocus with their SLT cameras for a while now. Having said that, it is nice to know Canon is playing catch up.

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Zebooka
By Zebooka (9 months ago)

SLT works differently.

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rrccad
By rrccad (9 months ago)

how does that work for you at f/11?

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AlanG
By AlanG (9 months ago)

This is a big leap forward, not catch up. Sony and everyone else would love to be able to have something like this in their cameras, particularly the Nex models.

Sony SLT uses a separate phase detect AF sensor via a semi-silvered mirror. This is not much different from a standard DSLR except it allows for continuous focusing at the cost of some light. This technology eliminates the need for a mirror and a separate phase detect sensor allowing cameras to be smaller. Plus it can cover a much wider area.

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (9 months ago)

To Princess Leia Ignorana, Canon has made a pellicle mirror SLR back in the 90s named EOS-1RT, so it's Sony that copied Canon in that regard.

"Like" my post if I have sufficiently 0wn3d the Princess above. TIA

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Simao
By Simao (9 months ago)

@AlanG

Sony have a dual PDAF system on its A99 model; on-sensor PDAF as well as the PDAF SLT technology. Although I have to admit that this solution seems to be half baked when compared with Canon have managed to make with this.

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AlanG
By AlanG (9 months ago)

And my Nex 6 has some PD detectors on the sensor also. As do several other cameras. Most of us are aware of this. So? They are not as fast as a separate PD sensor or this system. (Apparently) It should be interesting to see the AF performance if a new EOS M comes out soon with this sensor in it.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

Sony's translucent technology was an interesting innovation but it got some shortcomings. the most important is that it loses light, no the image sensor nor the AF sensor can ever get 100% of light from the lens.

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aim120
By aim120 (9 months ago)

The SLT tech can still focus faster,while the mirror does rob some light the Sony sensor is still miles better then the canon sensor in DR and HIGH ISO,so even if there is a light loss due to the mirror the high ISO performance is similar to the Canon.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

now we can see clearly that SLT is fundamentally flawed, that the incoming light is always split between the AF unit and the image sensor.

sensor technology is totally another issue. Sony sensors used to be among the best ones, then lagged far behind Canon, then became the industry leader with Exmor parallel readout, but this is like tide and wave, has nothing to do with the basic design.

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (9 months ago)

You are joking aren't you. Sony have tried to do this. I've used Sony and it basically didn't do what it said on the tin...

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Suhas Sudhakar Kulkarni
By Suhas Sudhakar Kulkarni (9 months ago)

Looks good!
But I will wait for a video with third party lenses like tamron 70-300 vc. I have all third party lenses except for 50mm f/1.8. I have cosina 19-35, tamron 70-300 vc, tamron 90mm macro.
Canon mentioned that the new live focus technology will not work with some of the canon lenses. Obviously we dont expect them to test with third party lenses, but given that it works only for selective canon lenses I do not want to take chance with my lenses.

If the live view focusing technique works with my lenses, it will be very good to have because of ability to focus with f/8 or smaller (according the imaging resource). That means I can even add 1.4x teleconverter to my tamron 70-300 vc and get autofocus in live mode for stills or videos.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (9 months ago)

how is the focusing SPEED of your third-party lenses, compared to the one used for the video?

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Suhas Sudhakar Kulkarni
By Suhas Sudhakar Kulkarni (9 months ago)

90mm macro is particularly slow focusing. 19-35 is fast. 70-300 is good but not blazingly fast.

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saralecaire
By saralecaire (9 months ago)

Panasonic has been doing rack focusing like this since the G3, finally when Canon catches up it's a "wow" thing? Sure, the have the dual-pixel tech behind it and whatnot, but the practical effects are essentially what other brands have done for quite a while now. Nothing too innovative here.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

the Canon one is high in another level, looks like operated by a well trained professional.

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (9 months ago)

You already mentioned why Panasonic is streets behind. This AF method doesn't need to "rack" the lens back & forth precisely because it is an on-chip PDAF. Read up a little before you post again.

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inorogNL
By inorogNL (9 months ago)

look up some videos on you tube about GH3 a.focus, I do not see how it's streets behind ....

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BeanyPic
By BeanyPic (9 months ago)

As with Sony Pana have tried this with little success. Used both for video and dumped them as they failed to deliver.

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

Kudos to the cinematographer, director, and other people who made the "Hand Made" video. Hope they enjoyed the pizza too.

Hmm. Why am I hungry?

However, it tells us nothing about how the average Joe Mozzarella will fare when trying to shoot casual video with a kit lens. The beauty of "Hand Made" owes in no small part to careful editing, good light, controlled subjects, sliders, jibs, and other tools or tricks that will help video shot with any device. Oh, and let's not forget audio! Nice music, but we hear no native audio or its discontinuities. Think of all the kitchen cursing we've been spared.

Perhaps later tests will show.

Canon (and others) make DSLRs that are first-rate for still photos. Video is another challenge. Might many be better off with an HF G20, or its competitors, than to dork about (unsuccessfully) with a DSLR?

Mere opinion: narrow DOF is great, but a PITA unless you are the Von Stroheim Kommandant with martial powers over your subject.

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armandino
By armandino (9 months ago)

I prefer this one ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9OGZsanpdg#at=181

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Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (9 months ago)

Typical Billy Bob trailer trash.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (9 months ago)

@armandino: thank you for that!

gave me a smile - that video is epic... from beginning to end!

ps: come on VT, lighten up. I know some of us have frustrated spouses (and I don't mean that with disrespect to you - I've been there!) but us guys can still maintain our manhood and sense of boyish humor can't we? you'll live longer! (most of my GFs would have drooled over this anyways, btw) ;-) cheers!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

the video looks professional, and
I'll like it more if can operate from an iPad.

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Maverick_
By Maverick_ (9 months ago)

Canon is back. Now bring this technology to FF.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (9 months ago)

I want to see this technology on Compact Cameras such as Canon S series and G series

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rrccad
By rrccad (9 months ago)

holy #*&$# did they use enough lenses? o.O

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

Don't forget the jib and sliders.

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Mr Blah
By Mr Blah (9 months ago)

If you have access to every Canon lens currently in production, why not use them?

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rrccad
By rrccad (9 months ago)

lol .. @Blah

.. i think they tried their best to use all 103 compatible lenses by ran out of time!

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (9 months ago)

Cheesy, cute little movies like this don't appeal to the hardcore user in me. Let's "focus" on some real action.

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

You prefer pizza without cheese?

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (9 months ago)

That is real pizza..not the junk we have here in the US.

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Zoltan Csuka
By Zoltan Csuka (9 months ago)

Don't let them fool you: pizza is junk food everywhere.

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Maverick_
By Maverick_ (9 months ago)

actually this is not junk food. fresh dough, fresh mozzarella cheese from cows without hormones, fresh simple veggies, put in wood burning oven for a minute or two and you're done. nothing junk about this type of pizza which is called Artisan Pizza in the US or Neapolitan style.

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armandino
By armandino (9 months ago)

Dear Zoltan do not insult what you do not know, it is offensive and you make a fool of yourself.

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

Fallacy. Italian-Americans created what the world considers pizza. Italians were happy with crusts with a bit of sauce and a sprinkle of parmesan.

BTW, tomato sauce is a purely American creation. The tomato was domesticated by Pre-Colombian Mexicans. It did not reach Europe until about 1600.

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bed bug
By bed bug (9 months ago)

Yeah excess salt, fat and carbs, are what Americans have been surviving on for years...and who ever sees obese 'merkins...;-)

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (9 months ago)

@ John Koch, the "world" was long eating what they considered and still is considered pizza before American Italians existed. And not every pizza has a tomato sauce so I'm not sure what the Aztecs have to do with this or the US.

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

Part one.
No, "pizza" exist from Romans, from Greeks and before, but whitout tomatoes. "Pizza" of Romans or Greeks of Magna Grecia was not much different from actual pizza, but not was named pizza. Modern Pizza and the decision of give the "name" pizza (from arab) is from Naples in mid '500, when tomatoes arrived in city from America; Naples in that period was over Spain and the second city of Europe after Paris, and the idea of pizza (and pasta) whit tomatoes was from Naples and not from "italian-americans", the massive italian emigration in America is from '800 and not '500-'600. Pizza is our italian history and is inaccettable that Americans, whit only 3 century of history, teach we about our history, that is from 3000 years and before. Modern pizza is from Naples and not America, is history and not your history.

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

Part 2.
The alfabeth that you use is from Italy too, or you think that is an american creation too?
Americans ivented junk orrific and industrial pizza, this is for sure, but the only original Pizza is italian-Neapolitan Pizza, and is culture, tradition, history!! Not junk!
Totally different from the american concept of junk pizza.

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pierpa
By pierpa (9 months ago)

E dai, Antimate', lasciali mangia' quello che gli pare a loro. ;)

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

I'm in error about the name, is probably from greek "pita", but the first time of the word "pizza" is from an document from Gaeta, 120 km At North of Naples, in a document of 997....500 years before Colombo....The theory of same americans, what arrogance, of an American origin of the modern Pizza is ridicoulness. Simply ridicoluness.
Before of tomatoes too, italian pizza was yet very near to actual Pizza.

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

Per me possono magnare pure le cavallette ma sta storia della pizza inventata dagli ammeriggani è una leggenda che si sente spesso in America e che non si può proprio sentire o tollerare, qualcuno dovrebbe spiegare a questo popolo arrogante e senza storia che la Storia di parecchi popoli del mondo è svariati millenni più antica della loro e che la Pizza in Italia esisteva già secoli e secoli prima che a Colombo venisse in mente di provare ad arrivare nelle Indie.
Non l'avesse mai fatto o l'avesse fatto qualche secolo dopo, i nativi americani avrebbero creato un mondo mille volte migliore di quello a cui ci hanno portato questi barbari arroganti e guerrafondai.

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (9 months ago)

Thank you for the history and all the laughs :-)

What are the odds the flat bread pita (greek pitta) originated in Mesopotamia (Iran Iraq Syria)?

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

BTW....Parmesan, before the second war, was very rare in South Italy and not used on pizza, was used pnly mozzarella or provolone or pecorino; and pizza in North Italy, before second war, was very rare and tipical pnly of South Italy and Naples.
Pizza with mozzarella and tomatoes was common in Naples from beginning of '700, about 150 years before the massive italian emigration in America from South Italy.
This emigration imported in New York and then in America the pizza whit tomatoes and mozzarella that was borned in Italy about 200 years before.

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Pangloss
By Pangloss (9 months ago)

Great combination of actual short movie and "making of" short movie, explaining the advantages of the new AF system in the 70D! Really very nicely made!

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Paul B Jones
By Paul B Jones (9 months ago)

Those are great little movies. I've used my Canon DSLRs a bit for video but only on static subjects from a fixed distance. This kind of technology will really open things up.

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

"Open things up," one hopes. I worry that may not be the case. The experts who made "Hand Made" could have done much the same with manual focus, since they knew what they were doing and had a controlled subject.

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Paul B Jones
By Paul B Jones (9 months ago)

Ha! I'm not imagining making anything like "Hand Made". For me the simple act of moving the focus from one area to another area in a single shot via the touch screen would be a breakthrough of epic proportions!

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (9 months ago)

Manual focus with those consumer EF-S lenses that don't even have distance scale markers nor a proper MF ring??? They're showcasing the speed, convenience, accuracy & precision of this new AF method. That is indeed groundbreaking.

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HimeNoHogosha
By HimeNoHogosha (9 months ago)

What are the tradeoffs for optimizing the AF for video vs photo?

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new boyz
By new boyz (9 months ago)

ISO maybe... let's wait for DxO score.

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (9 months ago)

None. Compare the ISO 3200 shot of the Sax Player with current ISO 3200 shots from previous-gen 18MP Canon sensors.

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DanCee
By DanCee (9 months ago)

Looks good n fast focusing. High iso 3200 looks clean too

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Benarm
By Benarm (9 months ago)

now lets wait for real world results

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pcblade
By pcblade (9 months ago)

No Jello effect so far as the cook doesn't go much further the main dish...

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

Exactly where do you see a shot where jello would rear its wiggly head?

No pans, no jello. Dough hurled vertically is no test.

We'd need to see some sports or rapid action shots to see if the rolling shutter problem is beat.

Prediction: it will be there until we see CMOS with global shutter, which is a sort of oxymoron. If you don't like jello, then a camera will CCD is the answer.

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Mr Blah
By Mr Blah (9 months ago)

There are actually CMOS sensors with global shutters, but they tend to be more expensive and slightly less sensitive than those with rolling shutters.
Anyway, this certainly isn't one of them. I wouldn't expect rolling shutter to be handled any better than it has been in the past if there's still no 1080p at 60 FPS (which might mean more processing power/faster sensor readout times).

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photosen
By photosen (9 months ago)

Looking good...

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JRFlorendo
By JRFlorendo (9 months ago)

I'm craving for that cheesy pizza now.....soo hungry!

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (9 months ago)

The border is too broad, the tomatoes are pale,
the industrial Mozzarella is not handmade and creamy,
and he is using too much oil :-)

If you want good pizza, don't go to Japan :-)

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (9 months ago)

I respectfully disagree.
Moreover, if you look at the credits one of the names (& face) surely looks Italian.

-And-

There's no such thing as "too much" extra-virgin olive oil, even better if it's from Tuscany.

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

Ilarious, very, very ilarious, are you american, for sure.
Seems like the tradional "Pizza napoletana", the only Pizza in the world, and it's a "Margherita"; tomatoes, ONLY italian mozzarella, "fior di latte" or "Mozzarella di bufala campana", and not american "mozzarella", basilico, oil, and ONLY italian "extra vergine di oliva", and not american motor oli...And the border of neapolitan Pizza MUST BE BROAD, NOT SMALL.
Americans......Ahh...And very very very very important, ONLY wood cooker, not electric.
Or you think that the orrific, artificial american pizza is pizza??
Mó gli ammeriggani si mettono pure a pontificare sulla Pizza, pazzesco...Ma magnatevi i vostri squallidi hot dog e non mischiate il sacro col profano...Pizza vuol dire secoli, millenni, di storia!

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Zoltan Csuka
By Zoltan Csuka (9 months ago)

Don't get too carried away... Pizza is junk processed food.

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armandino
By armandino (9 months ago)

Zoltan is obviously clueless. FreedomLover, I could not agree more. Antimateria, snobby arrogants like you make Italians look bad, keep your mouth or better your keyboard under control.

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Rockaw
By Rockaw (9 months ago)

Hey, give Antimateria a break. She's right about pizza napoletana. If you haven't eaten it in Italy, it's hard to explain how much better it is there. My first clue that it wasn't the real thing, is that in Italy, you get one pizza per person, and you eat it with a fork and knife.

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

Cooking = processing.
Natural = crude = Neanderthal

Ah, the glories of paleolithic imagery. Lascaux and Altamira did surpass most subsequent works, though the short life-span of that era did have its drawbacks.

UGH, aargh [another wooly beast attack]

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

Abbiamo civilizzato il mondo, possiamo permetterci di essere arroganti, dato che persino l'alfabeto, latino appunto, che si usa ancora oggi e per chissà quanti millenni ancora nel mondo occidentale, è nato grazie a noi.
E la nostra arroganza è nulla rispetto a quella americana, basta ricordare il Cermis, decine di morti perché un paio di americani si sono divertiti a fare i cow boy e nessuno ha mai pagato davvero....Se sei ammeriggano pupi uccidere chi vuoi senza conseguenze, avete decine di migliaia di morti per armi da fuoco ogni anno perche per voi un vero uomo deve essere armato, ma è più importante spiare via internet le altre nazioni che risolvere il problema.

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (9 months ago)

The stupid EU even tried to define it:
They want to use only San Marzano tomatoes (red) and a border that is not greater than 1-2cm.
http://www.fornobravo.com/vera_pizza_napoletana/VPN_spec.html

Prosciutto, peperoni, funghi e parmiggiano sulla Margherita?
Da dove sei, tu?

Pizza Margherita is a pizza prepared according to a recipe of the Italian chef Raffaelle Esposito. The pizza was first made in 1899 when Queen Marghereta visited Napels to escape a cholera epidemic in the north of Italy. The ingredients used to make a Margherita pizza, tomatos, mozzarella cheese and basil, imitate the colors of the Italian flag. Queen Margherata liked the pizza so much that she wrote a thank you letter to Esposito, who decided to name the pizza after the Queen.

I am sorry the American government is emulating Mussolini and Roman emperors. Arrogance is ignorance.

Thank you for the kindness, Armandino, LensBeginner and Zoltan.

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (9 months ago)

Actually Queen consort Margherita of Savoy (Margherita Maria Teresa Giovanna; 20 November 1851 – 4 January 1926).

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armandino
By armandino (9 months ago)

@Antimateria, if Italians contributed to human civilization your Italian citizenship should be revoked. At least you are not writing in English so most here do not even bother to interpret your arrogant nonsense. Stop polluting this forum.

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (9 months ago)

Beautiful music, well made cheesy video :-)

Unfortunately a real world clip shows the new autofocus failing twice in 12 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R59wD_4dsl4

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photomy
By photomy (9 months ago)

To be fair, that error appears to be a weakness of the AF tracking not the AF itself. I believe, only the very high end cameras do very well at this and ALL fail in some situtions.

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FreedomLover
By FreedomLover (9 months ago)

You are right, photomy, thank you for kindly clarifying.

The increasingly important software is failing, open source firmware would help.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (9 months ago)

I hope Canon try their best to reduce the weakness before releasing the cameras. there is still time to improve the cameras

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rrccad
By rrccad (9 months ago)

oh yes, canon must start working on that model train face detection ASAP.

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chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (9 months ago)

That's still a lot better than CDAF on other cameras. The only way to keep a moving model train in focus like that with another DSLR is to use the viewfinder and keep the focus point on the head of the train....but you can't really record through the finder.

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (9 months ago)

FreedomLover is the quintessential nitpicking equipment measurebator. Pray tell what other DSLR or MILC can AF better using the whole image sensor??? Ah, I thought so. BTW, Canon never claimed that this AF method is 100% idiot-proof nor that it is faster than a 1DX tracking AF.

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Antimateria
By Antimateria (9 months ago)

Whit a Sony slt you can, and af seems better of this cannnnnon.
And in 2014 from Sony the sane solution of this cannnnnon but whit evf of 4 milions of pixel, A Mount and full frame too. And no mirror, traslucent or normal, 0 light lost whit very fast af whit no difference in video or photo, like now on slt, but no limitation on Iris.
This cannnon is a dinosaur, no mirror and evf whit hig resolution is the future, one day for camnnnon and Nikon too.

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pauld77
By pauld77 (9 months ago)

But what if you don't want to be David Lean but just want to be David Bailey?

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cs hauser
By cs hauser (9 months ago)

Then you use the camera to take photos.

I'm confused why certain people feel that video in a camera magically prevents them from taking photos.

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John Koch
By John Koch (9 months ago)

cs hauser: people who avoid video are simply failures who take refuge in the nonsense that still photos are magically immune from the challenges of editing or audience attention. Any still photo can earn a glance and a idle "Hey, nice picture" comment. It takes talent (or else redeeming audio!) to get people to watch a video for over one minute.

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (9 months ago)

...and if you want to be Bayley's without the David just pour yourself a little glass!

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wcan
By wcan (9 months ago)

Interesting tech, but I want to see if they made any strides toward catching Nikon in the dynamic range/shadow noise department in the new sensor. I'm guessing if they had they'd be trumpeting it, but I am still hopeful as I am a Canon shooter.

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