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Samsung announces Android-powered Galaxy NX 20MP mirrorless camera

By dpreview staff on Jun 20, 2013 at 19:00 GMT
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Samsung has announced the Galaxy NX: the world's first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera running the Android operating system. The Galaxy NX takes a 20.3 megapixel, SLR-style mirrorless camera and adds 3G, 4G LTE and Wi-Fi, connectivity and Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean). The camera sports a gigantic 4.8" HD LCD touchscreen - with which you'll control nearly all camera functions. The Galaxy NX will be available sometime this summer for an undisclosed price.

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Press Release:

Introducing GALAXY NX, the First Interchangeable-Lens Camera with 3G/4G LTE & Wi-Fi Connectivity

LONDON, UK – June 20, 2013 – Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. today announced the launch of the GALAXY NX, the first 3G/4G LTE Connected Compact System Camera (CSC). Versatile and easy to use, the GALAXY NX combines cutting edge optical performance with connectivity capabilities and a galaxy of applications based on the Android eco-system, all in one stylish package. The result is a new type of connected device that allows users to turn their experiences into a story that can be instantly shared with anyone they choose, from wherever they might be, in amazing color and outstanding detail.

"The GALAXY NX reflects the unique needs of a user who needs to take professional photos and share them immediately in any situation. For those who want to express themselves and the exciting moments that make up their lives quickly, easily and on the go, the GALAXY NX is an ideal choice" said Myoung Sup Han, Senior Vice President and Head of the Digital Imaging Business, Samsung Electronics.

Share everything, from anywhere

With 3G/4G LTE technology, the GALAXY NX allows photographers to stay constantly connected with their world. Promising speedy sharing whether on the move or right at home, the GALAXY NX's seamless connectivity transcends the current offering to photographers, providing a device which puts the sharing of professional level images at its heart. The GALAXY NX embraces the era of visual communication to provide an outlet for passionate photographers to express their exciting experiences immediately in spectacular quality.

The GALAXY NX is equipped to help you capture the scene and mood of every hotspot you visit. Photo Suggest provides location based recommendations of popular photography spots, sourced from a huge library of images taken by fellow photographers across the world. Story Album lets users enjoy timeless memories by displaying special moments on one timeline, reframing and resizing them to create digital photo books that can be viewed and shared on other devices.

Stunning picture quality

Superior image quality is available whenever and wherever with the GALAXY NX and an array of interchangeable lenses. The 20.3MP APS-C Sensor produces images which are bright and detailed, even in low light conditions, while the DRIMe IV Image Signal Processer delivers the speed and accuracy which today's photographers demand.

Life moves fast and the GALAXY NX makes sure that you don't miss a moment. Its Advanced Hybrid Auto Focus (AF) System ensures accurate phase and contrast detection for crisp, vibrant shots, while the 1/6000 sec shutter speed and 8.6fps shooting lets you capture the action as it’s happening.

The flexibility offered by the GALAXY NX’s selection of Interchangeable Lenses places creative control firmly in the hands of the photographer, opening up a world of imaging possibilities, whatever the scenario. From compact pancake lenses and an ultra-wide fisheye, to exquisite longer prime and zoom lenses, the extensive range of lenses help change users perspective on their world to create images which are truly special and help them to tell their story in a new way. True 3D Creator also brings an added element of realism to the GALAXY NX results, allowing users to shoot images and movies in 3D with Samsung's 45mm 2D/3D lens.

Simple and easy to use

With Android 4.2 Jelly Bean, the functionality of a smartphone is utilized to improve the photographic experience. Users can choose from an entire universe of Android apps to help personalize their GALAXY NX and do more than just shoot amazing photographs and video, from editing images to adding special effects to staying in touch with friends and family.

The GALAXY NX is packed with features which help photographers to take images that embody their passions and express their unique outlook on the scenes they are shooting. More than 30 Smart Modes lets users choose the optimum settings for the environment they are capturing, as well as create fresh, artistic images. ‘Multi Exposure’ merges two different shots together to produce one distinctive image, while ‘Animated Photo’ connects continuous shots of up to five seconds, creating a moving GIF file. For added realism, ‘Sound & Shot’ stores sound and voice together as the picture is taken, so moments are captured exactly as they happened.

For added personalization, Camera Studio allows users to easily customize settings with their most frequently used applications or camera modes, making sure their photos are captured exactly as desired every time.

For multimedia content and more detailed information, please visit www.samsungmobilepress.com or www.samsung.com/galaxycamera.

Samsung Galaxy NX specifications

Body type
Body typeSLR-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution5472 x 3648
Other resolutions5472 x 3080, 5472 x 3080, 3888 x 2592, 3712 x 2088, 3648 x 3648, 2976 x 1984, 2944 x 1656, 2640 x 2640, 2688 x 1512, 2000 x 2000, 1728 x 1152, 1920 x 1080, 1024 x 1024
Image ratio w:h1:1, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels20 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors22 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.5 x 15.7 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorDRIMe IV
Image
ISOAuto, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800, 25600
Image stabilizationNo
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsNormal, Fine, Superfine
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Phase Detect
  • Touch
  • Face Detection
  • Live View
Manual focusYes
Lens mountSamsung NX
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDFixed
Screen size4.8
Touch screenYes
Screen typeHD TFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeElectronic
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/6000 sec
Built-in flashYes (Pop-Up)
External flashYes (Hot-shoe)
Flash modesAuto, On, Off, Red-eye, Fill-in, 1st/2nd Curtain, Smart Flash, Manual
Continuous drive9 fps
Self-timerYes (2 sec to 30 sec)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Center-weighted
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±3 (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080, 1280 x 720, 640 x 480, 320 x 240
FormatMPEG-4, H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD/SDHC/SDXC
Storage included16GB
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes
WirelessBuilt-In
Physical
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionLithium-Ion battery
Weight (inc. batteries)495 g (1.09 lb / 17.46 oz)
Dimensions137 x 101 x 26 mm (5.39 x 3.98 x 1.02)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSBuiltIn
GPS notesGPS + GLONASS

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Comments

Total comments: 227
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Andre22
By Andre22 (10 months ago)

I love how there is soo much hate going round about this camera for what seems to be no photography reason??

How about we all look at it from a camera point of view, It has a 20.3mp APSC CMOS sensor and should pack the image quality of the NX20 and speed of the NX300. it shoots at 9fps, 1/6000 and iso 25000

if any of you have used the galaxy camera you will know the camera interface is the SIMPLEST on any compact so putting it in this makes high end cameras more attractive to uses coming up from such backgrounds (compacts).

the lack of dials also dosent take away from the ability to use manual controls which you would know if any of you have used an NX camera before. you can change and switch between settings on the lens and the mode dial on the top.... where else can you change settings on a camera with more dials??

android gives you 16GB of internal memory 2GB of RAM and the ability to send pictures directly. I STILL DONT KNOW WHY THIS IS A BAD THING??

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Andre22:

Some problems with your logic.

The iFn button doesn’t make the selection of the option that is controlled by the iFn button, that takes another wheel or button in addition to the focus ring.

Not all Samsung NX lenses have the iFn button, eg the very good 30mm F2.0 lens.

Exclusively using the iFn button and the focus ring seems to suggest that no one would never mount a different brand lens on the Samsung NXdroid, a very very mistaken assumption.

It is misleading to claim that the NX300 shoots quickly. It shoots single raws about as fast as the NX100 (before the image quality improving firmware for the NX100). Yes the NX300 has a high burst rate for say a second but then massively slows down to process those shots.

Android is still slow to start, and yes people turn cameras off after say leaving them in standby while shooting for a few hours.

continues:

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

It is a stretch to claim that the NX300 can shoot at ISO25000 and still produce useable images, and it is unlikely that the NXdroid is radically better than the NX300–so realistically that would be can shoot at ISO 6400. (I have NX300 raws that I shot.)

Nothing is particularly wrong with a camera that can send files directly, however one has to be able to sort through those files (raws too) and mark them easily for upload.

So people look at this and say: “Uh, oh, Samsung has good lenses but it looks like they’re not serious about issuing a standard upgrade to the NX20, will Samsung enforce this less than helpful system on the rest of the NX system? Time to look elsewhere for a mirrorless system, Fuji has nice lenses."

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Boydsta
By Boydsta (10 months ago)

Ugly as a hat full of ar.....les but I will say this. This is what the new generation (kids) will want. Can just see them now looking over Monument valley at 530am (if they can be bothered getting up that early) catching a beautiful sunrise to then put it straight on Instagram, ruin it and post to FB. Hey and if they miss the sunrise Im sure there will be an App for that as well in the camera. The more tech you have in a camera like this the less you are paying attention to your subject and since you have no idea how to take the shot you then expect the Apps to fix it for you.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

Am I the only one to find this weird or redundant?

I suppose this is for the smartphone-facebook addicts...

to me it is as necessary as a pony sitting on a tricycle.

1 upvote
viktoriskra
By viktoriskra (10 months ago)

They've definitely lost the plot here..

..that being said, in order to lose something, one must have it in the first place.

I rather like the Galaxy camera and the NX system, but when merged you get a right ugly inbred of a camera!

4 upvotes
Giklab
By Giklab (10 months ago)

Someone's been looking at the K-5 grip ;) .

0 upvotes
Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

either that, or one of hundreds of other camera models.

0 upvotes
JDThomas
By JDThomas (10 months ago)

C'mon Samsung, get it over with and just put a phone on the thing. There's no reason not to!

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

And yet again: GearCrap sign-in is screwing things up.

Right, I'm going to provide my name to DPReview and order photo gear from Amazon through DPR, when I'm perfectly happy with my local suppliers, NOT.

And anyhow, I have an Amazon account, and would just use that to order stuff Amazon would in many cases just be selling for Adorama.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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Paul Petersen
By Paul Petersen (10 months ago)

The question is how many connected devices do a person need or can afford to pay for? I think this is a solution to a problem that has already been solved with the WiFi connectivity of existing cameras to Smart Phone or Tablet app. A serious camera needs real control buttons, knobs and switches. This is a technology exercise with no real purpose.

4 upvotes
justmeMN
By justmeMN (10 months ago)

I always wanted to buy a 4G data contract for my camera. :-)

2 upvotes
IZO100
By IZO100 (10 months ago)

just use the HotSpot from your smartphone instead of getting another data plan for the camera.

1 upvote
CFynn
By CFynn (10 months ago)

With one of these the NSA, PRISM and GCHQ will be able to monitor the photographs you take along witl your email, internet browsing, forum posts, mobile and Skype calls which they are already tracking.

Don't worry, unless you're taking photographs they think you shouldn't be taking, this will make you more secure.

They may be able to remotly turn on the camara from time to time just to see what you are doing and make sure you are safe.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

What makes you think those organizations aren’t spying on the iPhone generated photos and “wall updates” FBook posters make? And then also spying on the inner activities on the phone itself, say updated contacts list, or looked up how to find HomeDepot (big diy US chain hardware/lumber store)?

This is just a wifi device, like a tablet, and Samsung doesn’t make the other Android camera easy to connect to the web.

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (10 months ago)

Who cares? Its certainly not the camera's fault. If security organisations want to see your data so much, they can just arrest you and / or confiscate it. I don't see why anyone would be bothered with them seeing photos of your cat.

Having said that I think Android is pretty solid, and doubt it would be hackable out of the box.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

So I tried out the Samsung GC110 (the other Samsung camera running Android 4), it's really stupid. And has every problem one would expect.

Seems to shoot decent jpegs though.

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Goodmeme
By Goodmeme (10 months ago)

I wouldn't expect any problems. Care to clarify?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Goodmeme:

Well control of the camera functions.

It’s not particularly fast to switch amongst options (not likely to be much of a problem with this new NX variation.)

Can’t work by touch, that’s touch alone sans sight, this a huge fail.

I took some samples then looked at them in play back and also in the My-Folder, Camera-Folder, DCIM-Folder (and to confuse things there was also a Camera-Folder, without a DCIM-Folder). I found the samples for playback, they looked like good jpegs, but could not for the life of me figure out how to mark the selected file for upload via wifi–this is a straight forward process with basic organization software–sometimes called “email file”. (Yes the wifi was on.) I’m not familiar with iOS on the iPhone, but it has been explained to me that marking a photo for upload is incredibly easy with that iOS. (I can go try it to confirm at an Apple store.)

Some crapware.

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jaygeephoto
By jaygeephoto (10 months ago)

I imagine that making an ordinary phone call from this thing would make one look like Maxwell Smart with his shoe-phone. Leica iPhones are only a small step away into the abyss.

0 upvotes
whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (10 months ago)

Can I post instant status updates to Facebook from this thing?
I update my status hourly. Imagine if we could send photo status updates. I could see myself updating the world about my latest move every couple minutes.. I see a lot of potential in this device.

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timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

Its not just facebook, stick 2 or three of samsungs carry series primes in your bag with this and very high quality image files can be anywhere within minutes. Not just p&s pictures, it has a state of the art aps-c sensor and cdaf and pdaf. samsungs carry series of lenses are the smallest in the mirrorless world and are excellent optically.

I hate to sound like a rep, im not, but I see huge potential in getting a line like this into the hands of the instagram generation, some of whom are quite superb photographers.

1 upvote
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (10 months ago)

I'll just quickly unsubscribe from your page....

1 upvote
straylightrun
By straylightrun (10 months ago)

@timedrun

Interesting perspective. Maybe hybrid cameras such as these can seriously help improve the photographic skills of the younger generation by giving them access to lenses and controls other than ones found on a basic cellphone.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Likely whtchocla7e being ironic.

1 upvote
Eric Hensel
By Eric Hensel (10 months ago)

Sarcastic is the word, not ironic :)

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Eric--

I guess, but sarcasm would be even more extreme to my mind.

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CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

A billion Facebook users agree with you.

0 upvotes
Steve Balcombe
By Steve Balcombe (10 months ago)

Wow, I've just learned the price of this thing - Wex (in the UK) are taking pre-orders for £1299 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-samsung-galaxy-nx-digital-camera-with-18-55mm-lens-black/p1540241

1 upvote
Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (10 months ago)

I saw that just got the email from WEX
INSANE price and it's doomed to be an epic failure.
This isn't the future of cameras, a body with almost no hard controls and a big touch-screen LCD

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (10 months ago)

As most people are keen phone photographers (much more than us DSLR boys) I would say this is definitely the future of photography because everyone will learn on their phone and then move up to something they are familiar with.

I used to think digital would be a flash in the pan, and autofocus.....

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Barry Fitzgerald
By Barry Fitzgerald (10 months ago)

People want buy into this purely on bad handling. Doesn't even have a mode dial, that's not going to rub for most folks

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

like the Edsel...

(I'm not old enough to remember that either, but I've heard about it in automotive history... packed with horsepower and you can't get it to move forward)

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (10 months ago)

Oh it's APS-C? Don't knock it just yet. I checked out their latest flagship NX300, and they've really come a long way. Looking forward to the review.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

And Android systems don't startup fast.

And no I don't want to leave it in sleepmode for a week.

0 upvotes
CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

@HowaboutRaw, you only take pictures once a week?? I thought by your posts you were a serious photographer. I take pictures daily and rarely leave home without a camera.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

CDBayy--

Um, I have more than one camera and more than one camera body. Really are you that closed minded.

So yes sometimes a camera body will sit turned off for a week.

Just used a pocket Pentax today--hadn't used it in a few days.

I never claimed to be a professional photographer. What you define as "serious photographer" is up to you. But I'll end by pointing how many bad photos get snapped by those who always have a camera in their hand.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (10 months ago)

According to camerasizecom it's 17% wider, 12% taller, and 22% heavier than the Canon SL1 / 100D DSLR.

It's also 3% wider and 1% taller than the full-sized Canon T5i / 700D DSLR.

I thought the point of mirrorless cameras was to be light and compact.

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timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

I dont see this as an addition to an existing class of camera, rather a vanguard for a new class.

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viking79
By viking79 (10 months ago)

What some haven't realized yet is that mirrorless will largely replace DSLR in a few years (pro models last). I expect to see a wide range of mirrorless cameras. No one said mirrorless has to be small. People reference the SL1 a lot, but Pentax made an DSLR that small almost 10 years ago.

The NX is much thinner than the SL1, if both are equipped with a pancake lens.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (10 months ago)

Battery-killing screen, battery-killing wireless, battery-killing slow-loading OS, no manual controls - can't wait to take with me on a day of shooting and take all 10 shots with wrong exposure and DoF before battery dies! :)

1 upvote
timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

The battery in this thing is bigger than an elephant's d**k. You must be one of the thick people off the internet one is always advised agains taking advice from.

5 upvotes
Artpt
By Artpt (10 months ago)

Considering your imaginative comparison, that is disturbingly thick. In fact, I am now reluctant to use my Android powered phone to answer calls at all. The arm length speak speaker phone option is about all I can manage with.... :)

2 upvotes
Just Having Fun
By Just Having Fun (10 months ago)

" can't wait to take with me on a day of shooting and take all 10 shots with wrong exposure and DoF"

Do you have that problem a lot? Maybe you should sign up for a beginner's photography class.

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FLAGISM
By FLAGISM (10 months ago)

P.S. - 5 inch screens t will drain too much power? No problem! All future phamera models will be "green" and powered by static electricity...

"Be sure to break out them corduroys pard'ner"...

L.E. (flagism) U.C.C. 1-308 "without prejudice" All Rights Reserved

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Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

I love how buzzwoids accumulate. One: Samsung cameras are excellent to outstanding. Two: this is not a rangefinder style. It is a compact DSLR style, which only Samsung and Panasonic are really doing and doing well. Of course, now Canon finally has a real compact digital SLR.

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FLAGISM
By FLAGISM (10 months ago)

"PHAMERAS" I have known...

I've always wanted a camera with a 5 inch approx. display screen. Hopefully a future model will include 1, better yet, 2 control dials. I hope Pentax makes 1, nay, 2, one in full frame and one for the APS-C crowd. Free donations accepted in the capacity of living Sovereign man in case Pentax is listening..

Does this mean I can make a photograph, order a pizza, watch "Lost Highway" and discuss both its iconography and how most pizza's lack enough tomato sauce with a friend while leaving my opinion (about both the movie and the pizza) on imdb and playing Candy Crush Saga all at the same time? ;-) (Somewhere David Lynch mumbles to himself, grimaces and walks off stage right into the film noir night..) Can I get it in Bondi blue or black& gold like a K-50 with a K mount for my Pentax lenses?

Future me: Phamera says Robert Blake wants me to talk with.. Robert Blake.... or is that Baretta? :-)

L.E. (flagism) U.C.C. 1-308 "without prejudice": All Rights Reserved

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panoviews
By panoviews (10 months ago)

Nice one, that's the way to go. Let's wait for the first reviews...

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zoranT
By zoranT (10 months ago)

In a few years time this whole touchscreen business will turn out to be perceived as one giant mistake and misunderstanding.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

zoranT:

Read Andy Crowe below.

And the NX300 has a very good touch screen and button system. Albeit Samsung should not have removed the control ring on the back and Samsung should not have removed FA from the OS. (That's focus assist for focusing manually.)

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CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

@zorant, yes you are correct... and shortly after touchscreens go away, all cameras will go back to film, Kodak will emerge from bankruptcy, and the horse and buggy will replace the automobile, or as you might say the motorcar.

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chida
By chida (10 months ago)

Looks are also very important. Designers of Samsung cameras should get cue and inspiration from other world class makers for giving better looks to their product. Present design is not at all up to the mark.

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robbo d
By robbo d (10 months ago)

Hmm................okay this is a challenging product.
Now I have played with my partners Samsung compact and there are cool things about it and things I don't like, but
I do use an android phone, and
I'm a Pentax user, which means i'm also a traditionalist who likes 'normal' SLR's.
This thing looks like an overgrown Samsung Galaxy with DSLR grips and lenses...............kind of hate it and like it. Very confused.
However, never had a look at Samsungs aps-c sensor or results, but have to say, this is the future and well done for setting it in motion.
I suspect that there will be battery issues? using such a big screen and everything that goes with it.
I just think the technology of Samsung and the soul of Pentax would be a great combo.
Got to be worth watching though........tempting, and the product will get better

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johnckl
By johnckl (10 months ago)

We had the k20d and k-7...

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Shahidur Rahman
By Shahidur Rahman (10 months ago)

I really don't get the point of 'Android-powered' cameras!

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CFynn
By CFynn (10 months ago)

So you can read and post to DPR forums from your camera.

BTW, before Google got hold of it, Android was originally intended to be a camera operating system.

Comment edited 24 seconds after posting
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CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

And I don't see the point of an iPad. A pad of paper and a pencil does the same thing.
And who needs email when you have stamps and an envelope.

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (10 months ago)

As soon as I saw this article I scrolled down to the comments expecting lots of complaining.

I was not disappointed.

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timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

Yes, instead of me retyping every ill-informed opinion, I would just state that I agree with everything negative said about this camera, and no, I am not willing to base my opinions on evidence and reason. So anyone who thinks I will change my mind based on logic, reasoning or empirical evidence can contact me by carrier pigeon to discuss the matter further.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (10 months ago)

> In a few years time this whole touchscreen business will turn out to be perceived as one giant mistake and misunderstanding.

I take it you've not actually used a touch-screen camera? The touch functions on my GX1 are great: Change the focus point? touch, press shutter, picture taken. Change timer, bracket or other setting you'd normally have to dive into the menu for? two touches and it's done.

Adding a touch screen and removing all the external controls? I'll agree that's a mistake for a camera.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (10 months ago)

The 8th ILC released by Samsung with this sensor. Trying to beat Canon at their game of rehashing the same crap.

5 upvotes
lol101
By lol101 (10 months ago)

What crap?

The sensor has been updated on the NX300 and is pretty damn good... is it mandatory to "upgrade" the sensor on each new camera? What more would you like: ISO 102400 and 48MP?

7 upvotes
sarit
By sarit (10 months ago)

One shutter button and one control wheel and ... That's it ! People were already complaining about the MILCs for having less physical buttons and battery life.

1 upvote
monkeybrain
By monkeybrain (10 months ago)

Two control wheels. Samsung lenses the iFn function, which allows you to use the focus ring as a control wheel for multiple functions. It's the lack of buttons for ISO etc that concerns me more.

1 upvote
new boyz
By new boyz (10 months ago)

Virtual buttons can be added later. Some don't like(like myself) but that's how future works.

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timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

My first camera only had two controls that i could alter without changing the film. You must be one of these youngsters, you might as well go use your iphone, nothing to see here.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

monkeybrain:

Careful, Samsung removed the ring on the back of the NX300--stupidly I'd posit.

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Thomasbd
By Thomasbd (10 months ago)

this is the ugliest imaging device I have ever seen!!!!!!! come on samsung.... stop disappointing me ....shame you paid the designer for this disgusting looking thing...

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hippo84
By hippo84 (10 months ago)

Smartphone generation will be happy )) DSLR dinosaurs will go mad before making the 1st shot ))

1 upvote
burnley_ben
By burnley_ben (10 months ago)

Have you not seen the Nikon V2?

But yes, I agree, it looks as though they've glued a phone to the back of a camera.

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thygocanberra
By thygocanberra (10 months ago)

yep, my thoughts exactly. hideously ugly :-)

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timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

And the most handsome photographer award goes to....

Beauty goes in front of the lens.

2 upvotes
ArcaSwiss
By ArcaSwiss (10 months ago)

I'd never buy anything with the name Samsung on it

5 upvotes
lol101
By lol101 (10 months ago)

A little snob are we?

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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (10 months ago)

I'm not buying Apple too.

4 upvotes
Alessandro Scuderi
By Alessandro Scuderi (10 months ago)

In my experience after 2 years all samsung device start to broken or malfunction.

1 upvote
timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

Aless, and yet having owned numerous samsung cameras over the 6 years you have been a member of DPR, and every one failing within warranty period, not one of your 8 posts have been about a Samsung camera. Not even to moan at the point of failure. Yet you suddenly lay this burden down now?

3 upvotes
Abhijith Kannankavil
By Abhijith Kannankavil (10 months ago)

Not sure what i feel about thins thing. Looks like it works completely differently compared to the usual cameras.

Any idea how long does it take to start after the battery was removed and placed back?

Does it have NFC?

Anyway if this helps us to mod/suppliment the firmware upto our likes with all the apps, it'd be great.

0 upvotes
Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (10 months ago)

yes, it has NFC

0 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (10 months ago)

Abhijith,

My Galaxy S4 takes a bit over 20 seconds to boot, but I think Samsung has said this will be faster. Also, with the size of the battery I imagine you can shoot all day with it without needing to pull the battery.

0 upvotes
whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (10 months ago)

Do the lenses run on Android too? Is this why the focusing is so slow?

2 upvotes
Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (10 months ago)

interesting comment...
The camera side uses our DriMe IV processor and Hybrid autofocus which should enable it to reach AF speeds around .08s similar to our NX300.
Both Phase detect and Contrast detect are available on the sensor. The android side uses a different processor.

2 upvotes
lol101
By lol101 (10 months ago)

On more armchair critic who has never tried one recent Samsung NX camera... carry on...

8 upvotes
viking79
By viking79 (10 months ago)

The 45mm f/1.8 focuses faster than my A99... Has a lot higher in focus rate too.

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0 upvotes
Snapshot7
By Snapshot7 (10 months ago)

I Use and Love the Android OS... on Smartphones, Tablets, and possibly PCs. But I wouldn't want it on a CAMERA.

The reason Android along with the iPhone & Windows 8 Smartphones have become so popular to take pictures with is that they are ALWAYS WITH PEOPLE and HANDY.

This NX device might appeal to Point & Shoot users, who are also Smartphone owners, who are looking for something slightly more capable for pictures & video but don't want to learn a new or complex menu and operating system.

While I'm sure this thing will sell; I really hope it doesn't signal things to come.

1 upvote
Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (10 months ago)

The world is changing - welcome to world of cloud based photography.
Imagine backing up as you shoot to drop box or your personal cloud or sending photos to the newsroom as you shoot them or posting quality photos to facebook without having to use a computer.
Imagine a camera that you can download an intervalometer app or do rough edits before you email them to your customer for approvals.

0 upvotes
NeilBart
By NeilBart (10 months ago)

Well done Samsung. Most commenters are overlooking the business/commercial use of cameras in many industries and the importance of informative and productive management of images. The first Samsung Galaxy Camera running Mobile Data Studio software by CreativityCorp is excellent for integrating images with data for reports and databases.

The Samsung Galaxy Camera running Mobile Data Studio is particularly useful where subjects for images require an optical zoom and higher quality images than captured by Smartphone. For example surveys of advertising boards, audits of power infrastructure, identification of tree overhang of power lines, forensic investigations, home inspections.

While the first Samsung Galaxy Camera covers the imaging needs for many businesses, the Galaxy NX may suit some niche requirements for high quality images.

Recreationally, I am using my Samsung Galaxy Camera more than my Canon and Nikon DSLRs because of convenience for sharing excellent images.

9 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

Great insights. You are thinking inside and outside the box. Real estate agents photograph the properties they are listing. Now, the photos can be instantly integrated into listings, web sites, property databases, etc.

4 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (10 months ago)

I think this one is better than their first Galaxy Camera. At least this one have a proper grip. Bravo Samsung!

Electronic companies like Samsung and Sony seem to be more innovative than the traditional camera companies(yes, Canon and Nikon).

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2 upvotes
CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

By the negative comments about this new camera I am going to assume that most of the people who read this forum still use five year old flip phones. There's a whole new world out there, don't be scared.

3 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (10 months ago)

You hurt my feeling, hehehe.. just my 2nd phone though. I keep it just for nostalgic value.

0 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (10 months ago)

I am going to assume you have also never used a decent camera before in your life. What works for mobile phones doesn't mean it works for other devices. Should my Samsung vacuum have Android in it?

3 upvotes
Impulses
By Impulses (10 months ago)

Meh... I'm on my 3rd Android smartphone, 2nd tablet, big big fan of the OS; and I still don't see the upside. There's already plenty of solid wifi/NFC implementations on cameras that aren't running Android, seems much more reasonable to quickly transfer your images to a phone/tablet and handle them there than to bother with doing it all on a large camera body while draining the battery etc.

All this talk of reprogramming core functionality or adding advanced features thru custom ROMs/software is pretty far removed from reality IMO... Even if they release the source code there's always a variety of proprietary components they won't release the code or divers for... I dunno, I just don't see a huge upside yet.

Plenty of downsides tho, forget battery life or manual controls, those are easy issues to solve on a camera this large (not so much on their other Galaxy cameras)... There's a ton of potential for the average user that knows little about mobile OS to indirectly screw up or undermine basic operation by toggling the wrong setting or installing the wrong app.

0 upvotes
whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (10 months ago)

This device is for photographers or programmers?

0 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (10 months ago)

Many photographer today can write a program, at least a simple one.Even if they cannot write, others can and will do it for them. That's why Magic Lantern is popular among Canonites.

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

Interesting development but I'll never understand why folks want to work by waving their fingers in front of their field of vision. For me, a computer mouse or dials/buttons will always be preferred for most things and much, much, much more powerful in manipulating information or a device. NX cameras: great. Connectivity: great. Not interested in this interface.

6 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (10 months ago)

We have to sacrifice something to gain something else. Mouse and keyboard are great, but they are bulky too. What makes tablet so popular despite having no mouse and physical keyboard? Portability and display. Tablet's screen takes up to 95% of the device front surface. If it comes with keypad, like the ordinary Blackberry, the screen will be significantly smaller. The solution is make the screen as big as possible, put a virtual keyboard there. Problem solved.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (10 months ago)

It would be better if they had left a few hard controls, but I suppose this has simplicity going for it. It's easier to write software for a consistent configuration. That's why Sony screwed up in leaving a touchscreen off the NEX-6. Who would want to write apps for that? Awkward. My ideal camera would have both a biggish touchscreen and a few straightforward buttons and dials. As long as you got the configuration right and kept it consistent it would be a nice platform for useful apps. But it has to stay consistent.

0 upvotes
Loring von Palleske
By Loring von Palleske (10 months ago)

There are still physical controls - iFn and the wheel.
The wheel can control many functions and iFn will look after Aperture, shutter, ISO, WB, EV etc. and better than many cameras with tons of buttons - you don't have to move your eye from the viewfinder.

0 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (10 months ago)

So I literally can play Angry birds on my camera. Thank god for technology, it's a wonderful thing!

2 upvotes
CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

thx1138, yes Angry Birds is the only ap available for Galaxy. You're still using your old flip phone aren't you? (Rehtorical question. I know you are.)

0 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (10 months ago)

Yes, in addition to thousand of tutorials on how to take a better picture. BTW, I rather play tetris.

0 upvotes
yslee1
By yslee1 (10 months ago)

What terrible execution. I'd really love a connected camera, but I'm not going to use this!

2 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (10 months ago)

Photography Toy Central keeps on churning those lollies!

Keep 'em coming Candy Man!

New toys will always be interesting...

(unless it's too expensive, like from about 2 companies about to go bust...)

.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

You realize the two companies making cameras that are in real financial trouble are Sony and Panasonic? I guess Olympus too--but they have a huge medical imaging division.

Much less so Canon and Nikon, though they have troubles.

Ironically not Leica anymore.

0 upvotes
Felix E Klee
By Felix E Klee (10 months ago)

No professional use cases? This is the first fully (hopefully) programmable and connected camera with decent quality and at a good price. There are lots of use cases in professional imaging.

7 upvotes
Shinigami84
By Shinigami84 (9 months ago)

In Russia it is expected to sell at $2.000...
But setting the question of price aside, how deeply do you believe one can program Android on a Camera? I believe Galaxy NX is just a blend of a smartphone and a camera, where each one exists separately from another and it won't let you program much about camera, or write your own camera driver, or make changes to picture capturing algorithm... which limits it to a "camera, connected to android device".

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

Samsung leads the industry in cameras nobody wants to buy, good job

16 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

Of course people want to buy Samsung cameras or they wouldn't be in business. But they are a newer player looking to break into an extremely competitive market.

At least they are committed to APS-C sensors and know how to build sharp, fast pancake primes, unlike some other vendors who flood the market with slow variable aperture zooms. And they aren't afraid to innovate with features like the iFn button on lenses, Android cameras, etc.

8 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

Only reason people buy their cameras is because they throw in a 7" Galaxy Tab when you buy one...LOL
They did not make their money selling cameras, more like Knocking off phones, vacuum cleaners and other household electronics.
And just so you know these good lenses you talk about is made by Optron Tech LTD, Samsung has no clue to make Lenses.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Boer:

In the US Samsung doesn't give away 7" Android tablets with the purchase of an NX camera.

So, Optron still makes some lenses that approach the optical quality of of Leica and Zeiss, and Nikon and Canon should both be deeply embarrassed and threatened that Optron makes Samsung NX lenses that are optically better than the best Canikon lenses.

(Fuji, Sigma, Olympus, even Panasonic are all in a better position with lenses and have less to worry about than Sony (KM), Canon and Nikon.)

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

RAW:

You should by this camera, as much thought and ingenuity went into designing it as your last statement.

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marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

@Boerseuntjie

Nobody cares that you don't care for Samsung cameras but to argue that nobody wants to buy their cameras is ludicrous.

If the man on the moon made designed Samsung's lenses, it's still Samsung who is manufacturing and marketing a smart lineup of fast max aperture pancake primes that cover APS-C. How long did it take Sony to even begin to get serious about lenses?

@HowaboutRAW

I don't agree with Boer, but on what planet are Samsung lenses better than Canon or Nikon? Certainly not earth.

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CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

Boerseuntjie, you bring up a good point... buying a Samsung Galaxy NX is like GETTING A FULL-FEATURED TABLET FOR FREE. I am buying a Galaxy NX 33% to take great photos, 33% to share them instantly, and 33% to surf the web and use all the aps that turn my camera into a tablet computer.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

marike6:

Some Samsung NX (really Optron lenses) equal good Zeiss and Leicas. Good Nikon and Canon lenses can't touch Zeiss or Leica for optical quality. That's the very real world I live in.

Canon and Nikon lenses, even the good ones, produce mostly dead images with little colour subtly--they can be sharp though.

Samsung, Olympus, on a good, day, Leica, and Zeiss all can make lenses that don't have enervated optics. No I didn't forget Fuji.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Boerseuntjie:

The problem is that you've never used good Samsung lenses, and I have, just like I've owned/own extraordinary Leica and Zeiss lenses, so I have actual world experience to draw from.

My "highend" Nikon lens experience is limited to rentals, and boy were those lenses unimpressive, but the same bodies did just fine with Zeiss lenses. In all honesty I've not tried out top of the line Canon lenses, so maybe they released something that can equal Zeiss in the last say 2 weeks.

Remember, I don't read scores or pay a lot of attention to "tests", I shoot and print. And now for the last 2 years my computer monitor has been better than what 99 percent of computer users have.

Why not instead of insisting you're right, based on no evidence, you go and read about the 85mm 1.4 Optron (Sam) lens. Sorry as best I can tell the Popular Photography, US magazine, article is not available to read online, so go to the library. Or get that lens and an NX body. Shoot raw, extract in ACR.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

marike6:

Saying Samsung manufacture lenses is a joke, saying Samsung manufacture anything is a joke, it's all made in China by Foxconn Technology Group.

RAW:

Sorry I do not go by Popular photography's magazine or any magazine that counts on advertising revenue for my analyzing what is good and what is bad.
Science and lab testing is a controlled environment of facts not fiction.
So you are saying those dudes at DxO Mark should consult you before they test lenses and sensors, your eyes are better than any instrument they use to measure photography equipment.
I said this once and I will say it again the stuff you smoke must be good ;)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Boerseuntjie:

Foxconn doesn't make much; it's more like a subcontract assembler of others' parts to yet others' designs. For example LG and Samsung supply screens for MacBooks and iPhones and then other companies, TI, Intel, Qualcom, etc, supply chips and Foxconn assembles those parts into MacBooks and iPhones for Apple. Perhaps Foxconn mills out the aluminum cases and does the printed circuit board "making" and part installation, but that's about it.

My NX lenses are made in SKorea. And I believe that's where Optron makes the extraordinary 85mm F1.4 Samsung NX lens, but I've only ever used one example.

Pretty sure Samsung makes the image sensor in the NX cameras, but no I can't check without an scanning electron microscope.

Not actually saying go by PopPhoto, I'm saying use the lens, but you won't. So you have to read about it.

Right DXO scores are of only limited relevance. Same is true of most other testing. (There's a reason, and no I won't share it.)

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

K you convinced me man....LOL .. I believe you!
DxO Mark is a member of the Opus Dei.
I would love to use the 85mm F1.4 NX lens but sorry I already own the best 85mm F1.4 lens made by Zeiss and Sony.

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Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

The NX cameras are outstanding cameras as cameras with that APS-C sensor: tonality; focus accuracy; exposure; white balance; photographic ergonomics that are world-class. I'm not into touch screens and wireless, but can see the usefulness, not just for families but for commerce.

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW

I suppose I deserve having to read your nonsense comments about Nikkors and Canon EF lenses, but you can't compare crop sensor, plastic APS-C Samsung lenses to pro-grade Nikkor or Canon FF lenses.

Nikon and Canon have the most vast and impressive lens lineup in the world - note: Zeiss and Leica don't even make anywhere near the number of super telephotos with VR or IS. Optically Leica lenses are great, but no Samsung lenses aren't equal to Leica or even Cosina Zeiss. Sorry. Nikon F, Canon, Zeiss, Leica are some of the best optics ever created. As far as modern AF lenses with VR, Canikon are on top.

Nikon glass like the 70-200 2.8 VR II or 85 1.4G, 14-24 2.8G, 200 f2 VR, Canon 24-70 2.8, Super Teles from Canikon don't even exist in Samsung. You are simply delusional if you think Samsung mirrorless lenses are even in the same league.

But don't worry, it's my fault for defending Samsung gear. Nikon has forgotten more great lens designs than Optron Tech.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

marike6–

Nope, I’m familiar with two of those ostensibly high quality Nikon lenses you mention, neither of the come close to Zeiss and some Samsung NX lenses do.

You need to try the Samsung NX lenses before you dismiss them.

I never claimed that Leica or Zeiss made the range of zooms that Nikon + Canon do, so don’t play the game of putting words in my mouth I never uttered so you can make inaccurate claims about my ostensibly wrong claims. Nor did I make claims about AF speed or VR, though Samsung has OIS. Fact is optically good Samsung NX lenses (made by Optron) come real close to well done Zeiss and Leica lenses.

Repeating a bit differently: Nikon and Canon lenses are optical jokes compared to good Leica and Zeiss lenses. Anyone who claims otherwise is not to be taken seriously. Remember again I’m familiar with both the Nikon 70-200 2.8 VR II and the 85 1.4G–neither is very good optically. The colour is really kind of bad.

continued next...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

marike6–

So in other words like another poster in this string, you have no idea of what you’re writing and can’t be bothered to look into your received world view. So get the Samsung NX 30mm F2 or the 85mm F1.4 and an NX body, don’t forget to shoot raw–enjoy the optics.

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Zdman
By Zdman (10 months ago)

Alright so I own the Samsung 30, 45, 60 and 85mm. I also own a lot of Canon and Leica lenses. The only one that is close to Leica is the 85mm and I'll agree with HowaboutRaw its really is that good. The others are as good as Canon. What you have to remember is the Canon and Leica's are full frame so you have to compare the full frame performace instead of a crop frame performace. The lecia 50mm Summicron (even the old R) is still much better than the 30mm. The Leica 90mm Elamrit is much sharper than the the 45 or 60mm. The canon 50 1.8 is quite close the the NX30. The Canon 135mm f2 is pretty comparable to the 85 also (the Samsung 85 might be better). That said the Samsung lenses are still very capable lenses and you'd be hard pressed to tell the differences without pixel peeping.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Zdman--

Right I agree the 30mm F2.0 is not quite good Leica, but it's a plenty good lens.

I'm less familiar with good Canon lenses than Nikon, but I'm not impressed by what are claimed to be good lenses from Nikon. And no one ever claims that Canon makes lenses that are much better than Nikon's. (Olympus makes some extraordinary zooms and telephotos for the 4/3s DLSR system.)

So when I see how good the Samsung NX lenses and I've owned/own Zeiss, now only owned Leicas, and see what good examples of these Samsungs can do, I'm going to stick with my basic conclusion that Nikon is shamed by Samsung lenses.

I give you the idea that a good full framed sensor helps with colour, but then the APSC Foveon cameras belie that point.

I'd like to buy the NX 85mm, but I'd also like Samsung to improve body performance--not introduce body slowing operating systems.

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timedrun
By timedrun (10 months ago)

I own most Samsung NX lenses, Im going to stick my neck out and say that some of them are approaching the quality, optically, of top Canon and Nikon lenses, although no as robust mechanically and also nx are only covering aps-c. The top tCanon and nikon are professional grade lenses and I wold expect them to be better.

I would highly doubt that samsungs lenses are as good as leicas modern lenses optically or mechanically, with the obvious statement that even the electronic leica lenses i used are mf only. Ive never used zeiss so could not commentbon those.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

timedrun:

Thank you.

I have owned and used recent Leicas, not the most recent, and Samsung NX lenses aren't quite there, but they're a lot closer than anything I've ever seen from Nikon. This is optically speaking, not build quality.

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monkeybrain
By monkeybrain (10 months ago)

The unique selling point of this camera is obviously that it is connected. However, I see a large problem with this situation: people who care most about connected photography already have an iphone or other smartphone and will likely have their favourite apps on there for editing and uploading and of course have a data contract, so this Samsung is replicating that functionality, especially if they need another data contract, which can be seen as redundant. A camera with NFC is probably a better bet so people can quickly send their photos to their phone, of course Samsung have also announced such a camera, the NX2000. Conclusion? Samsung are hedging their bets on the connected camera concept by releasing both these cameras.

4 upvotes
tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (10 months ago)

Also nx300 has nfc and also has physical buttons

0 upvotes
CDBayy
By CDBayy (10 months ago)

Monkeybrain, by your logic an iPad is also redundant if you have an iPhone. But at last check I think iPads have sold moderately well (100,000,000+)

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

Yes, but this camera could appeal not just to futurists but companies that use photography for commerce: real estate surveys; home inspectors; etc.

1 upvote
monkeybrain
By monkeybrain (10 months ago)

CDBayy, iPads have sold a lot, but surely the majority of those are the wifi only model.

Gesture, that is a very good point and it will be interesting to see if Samsung pushes to those markets.

0 upvotes
inazuma11
By inazuma11 (10 months ago)

If they add in phone call functionality then I'll buy. LOL

4 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (10 months ago)

You can just use VoIP. Even better, you don't need to pay for a voice plane.

1 upvote
techmine
By techmine (10 months ago)

where is that guy who says Samsung copies everything?? :-)

12 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

Slapping a old obsolete phone with a old obsolete Android OS on a old recycled camera is not a monumental achievement or even innovative.
Oooo and BTW Samsung copies everything...LOL

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anthony mazzeri
By anthony mazzeri (10 months ago)

Well, at least this proves once and for all when left to their own devices, how uninspiring Samsung designers really are without Johnny Ives' to show them the way. It really does look like a Windows CE concept device from ten years ago.

2 upvotes
techmine
By techmine (10 months ago)

Yeah this obsolete android OS will be on every camera in few years. EBay will be your best friend then.

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

It is hardly an obsolete camera.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (10 months ago)

No, or OS. Android has had some teething pains over the years, but recent versions are quite nice. No doubt it will continue to get better, and the cameras, too, but this looks like an OK first effort.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

MarkInSF:

One of the problems with Android 4.XX is that one has to go deep into settings to turn off background processes every time one starts the phone/tablet/camera up from fully off.

This problem is compounded by crapware.

Windows+Mac+iOS+newBlackberry+WindowsPhone OSes don't have this draw back.

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viking79
By viking79 (10 months ago)

Finally a mirrorless camera that is decently large with a huge grip. This looks notably larger than the NX20, and that grip looks very easy to hold. I was afraid my palm would rest on the touch screen, but with how large the grip is I am guessing it would be okay.

One thing not mentioned in the preview is how you can use i-Fn to control the settings without taking your eye from the finder or hand from the lens. This is a button on each lens and rotate focus ring to change aperture, ISO, shutter speed, etc, configurable in menu. This feature never got used on my older NX cameras, but would be extremely valuable on this touch screen only version. I assume this is available on this camera?

Overall it looks like an interesting development. I would need to get my hands on one to see if I liked it or not.

2 upvotes
tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (10 months ago)

Eric, I don't agree with you here. If I'd like such a big camera, I'd buy a nikon d600.

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viking79
By viking79 (10 months ago)

This isn't near that large: http://camerasize.com/compare/#465,378

More like mini SLR sized but thinner. Not saying I don't like small camera, just saying I like the choice. I would like a mirrorless with a big grip assuming it has a good sized buffer and could support a larger flash.

or: http://camerasize.com/compact/#465.100,378.353,ha,t

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (10 months ago)

I think the size is very good. It is actually a little bit smaller than the GH3 and also lighter. I particularly like the extra space between the lens mount and the grip, which will allow more a more comfortable hold (if you hold the camera the old SLR way with the left hand supporting the camera from underneath and turn the lens with the left hand fingers).

Those who complain about its shape and looks might want to wait till you have a chance to try this in hand.

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zkz5
By zkz5 (10 months ago)

Unforunately iFn is a poor replacement for real controls. It has no "click" to it and most of what you'd adjust are discrete settings. Also you have to push the iFn button before using it every time (or multiple times to toggle a setting). Also the 30mm pancake doesn't have iFn at all.

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bloodycape
By bloodycape (10 months ago)

Though I don't mind the touch screen on my GF3 or on the G2 I had, this is overdoing it a bit.

Also this should have been a smaller 4.3-4.5in tiltable display.

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (10 months ago)

They should have released it as full frame, with new lenses. It's large enough, and it would have taken the edge of having to use a touch screen in place of traditional buttons.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Who cares, if like the other Samsung Wifi cameras, this one doesn't allow uploads of raws. The camera's wifi function is next to useless to those interested in high quality images.

Anybody know if this camera can upload raws over wifi?

The Samsung already had a good OS and menu system worked out for the NX cameras, so who wants this variation? What does it actually improve?

With other comments, this is real likely to slow down the menus, that's dumb.

Has Samsung fixed the buffering problems the NX20 had/has when shooting raw (the NX300 is just okay)?

In other news, when shooting raw the late 2012 firmware update for the NX100 gives that camera the high ISO performance of the NX20--that's free if you own an NX100.

Then of course, is there all sorts of crapware one has to suppress or possibly uninstall on this camera? Samsung has a bad habit of loading its perfectly good Android tablets with crapware.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (10 months ago)

If automatic RAW upload is not supported out of the box, it can surely be added as an add-on app. Given that Android programming is quite easy particularly if one already knows Java, I think there will be tons of apps for this camera.

Assuming the core camera API will be sufficiently powerful and open, of course. Currently, it isn't known whether this is the case.

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Lars Rehm
By Lars Rehm (10 months ago)

this is an Android device, so you send and receive any file you want, including raw files.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (10 months ago)

Holy Crap Batman, this is the most intelligent reaction, I have ever seen coming out of you HowaboutRAW? BRAVO!!!!!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Lars--

First, please please do something to fix this Gearwebstore signin enforcement mess.

Then are you sure that Android on this camera can simply use the SD card as a library from which to copy and upload things? Have you tried it out? (I'll assume without looking at exact specs that Samsung allows removable SD cards.)

Which leads to another question: How much slower is this system than the old fast to start, and fast to run, NX OS?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Menneisyys--

Perhaps, but as you say the OS needs to be open to do that, and that leads to the next question: How much faster--including faster startup--is this Android OS than the current NX system OS. If this Android system is not faster and more stable than the current NX system, and easier to use, all of which are very unlikely, then this Android system is a dumb idea.

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viking79
By viking79 (10 months ago)

My Galaxy S4 phone is on almost instantly, of course I never turn it off. I haven't reset it in the couple weeks I have owned it. When I did power it up the first time it took a short while to start. I imagine this will follow a similar idea. Keep it on all the time and it goes into a deep sleep mode and should be able to retain a charge for a long time, maybe many weeks.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

viking79--

The NX100, with the latest firmware, powers up in less than 2 seconds. I'd be really really surprised to see this Android camera equal that.

I don't keep my camera in sleepmode, and I am not questioning how fast one can start up this camera from sleepmode; that's a different problem you've raised.

Assuming you were to use this camera a few times a week, no one is expecting the battery to go for weeks, that's one of the reasons batteries are so easily swapped on digital cameras--yes I know that one can change the battery on the Galaxy SIII or IV. But with most cameras one can do the swap eyes closed--like power tools.

So again if this camera does not start up from being off completely in less than 2 seconds this camera is an utter failure.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (10 months ago)

No, it really isn't a different question. Anybody with any sense uses sleep mode constantly on an Android tablet. If I push the power button all it does is go to sleep unless I hold it down and tell it to turn off. I reboot mine about once a month, otherwise it gets a little flaky. In sleep mode the battery use is tiny and the tablet comes to life almost immediately. It's exactly how I want my camera to work. Unfortunately, my V1 takes longer to wake up than to turn on, so turning it off is essential. But that's bad design. Sleep mode is perfect for devices that get used intermittently, like cameras.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

MarkInSF:

Right and if you do that reboot always thing with a camera the battery will die at some point after a few days, and then when you replace the battery with a fresh one (not necessarily easy to guess when the battery is about to fail), the camera will then have to completely restart, so that's a pain, unless the Android system startsup from off in 2 secs.

This this problem is why booting from sleep is a different questing than booting from off.

I'm going to go try turning off a Samsung Galaxy SIV at an ATT store, and then see how long it takes to reboot.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

MarkInSF:

should read "restart from sleep" not "reboot".

Confirmed: The Samsung Galaxy SIV phone takes something like 30 seconds to startup--not acceptable for a camera in 2013. Now if the battery were guaranteed to last for a month and shoot 500 shots in/from sleep, that would maybe fix things, not going to happen.

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