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Chronicler of NYC art scene can't give away his collection

Jun 5, 2013 at 18:03:56 GMT
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For nearly forty years, photographer D. James Dee documented artwork and installations for seminal artists like Jean-Michel Basquiat, Julian Schanbel and prominent New York City galleries. Shooting everything from 35mm slides to 8 x 10 large format transparencies, Dee, like any responsible pro always shot one or two extra frames on each assignment to safeguard against film loss or damage. As he tells The New York Times in an interview, 'If they [the client] ordered 10 slides, I’d shoot 12. It was cheaper to shoot extras than to go back and reshoot. Instead of throwing them out, I put them in a box.'

It's that last line that's responsible for a roughly 250,000-image archive of color slides and negatives that chronicle the explosive growth of the Soho art scene of the 70s, 80s and 90s. He's now closing up shop and retiring to Miami, but having never made an attempt to categorize or even label his work by artist or gallery, he has so far found no takers for his offer to donate the archive.

Dee, who has no further interest in housing the collection is set to move at the end of July and if he doesn't find a willing taker soon, says, 'At some point I've got to get a Dumpster to put them in.' Who knows how this will play out. But one thing's for sure. It would make for an interesting Craigslist ad.

D. James Dee has more than 250,000 remnants of his 39 years as a photographer documenting the work of modern artists.
Photograph: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times

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Total comments: 42
E Dinkla
By E Dinkla (34 min ago)

It would be a nice documentation base for restoration purposes if the art degrades faster than the slides. It is probably cheaper for musea, galleries, collectors to get still existing art documented digitally now when needed than sorting, archiving, searching and digitizing the slides. They do not represent the art in its existing state either.

Ernst Dinkla

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AndyGrogan
By AndyGrogan (6 hours ago)

Actually he should just donate to the Library of Congress but I'm not sure they'd want to go though it either. I think the real problem is the artwork had value, photographs of the artwork, not so much.

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40daystogo
By 40daystogo (6 hours ago)

When I was spring-cleaning once, my cousin reminded me that that all the stuff we've accumulated will all eventually get burnt up.

2 Peter 3:10-11 in the Bible states: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives."

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electrophoto
By electrophoto (4 hours ago)

What the?...

touting religion on photographic forums?

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domina
By domina (43 min ago)

ugh keep religion in the church... this is a photography forum

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Jun2
By Jun2 (8 hours ago)

In other words, he wants the government to pay his collection through a big Tax deduction, while he can simply give them to someone like me. It all depends how much he wants to deduct. I will not be surprised non-profit organizations are reluctant in participating such scheme, if the deduction is a big number .

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JWest
By JWest (3 hours ago)

No, I'm pretty sure he just wants to give away some photos.

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Jun2
By Jun2 (8 hours ago)

Can I have them? I live in NYC.

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camerosity
By camerosity (9 hours ago)

Incredibly sad that there isn't some organization that would want these images. They need to be saved, preserved, gone through, and edited. We're all like Dee, we don't make notes on our slides either. I have thousands I've shot over the years, tens of thousands of slides and negatives, and very few have notes. So what? Dee isn't a bad guy, he was a businessman and a photographer. The images he has are extras, and who knew? Suddenly they are important. But not important enough I guess. Hope someone will come and save them. Hey Mr. Dee! Put them up on eBay!! Start bidding at 99 cents and mark it "Local Pickup Only"

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Archiver
By Archiver (11 hours ago)

As wonderful as this collection appears on first reading, the real issue is that most of the slides are unlabeled and uncategorized. I can see why major galleries and institutes don't want it, because the work required to label and document 39 years worth of artwork is crazy. He probably never thought about what he would be doing with them in the future, and just kept storing extras as a matter of habit.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (8 hours ago)

I hear a lot of photographers who believe it is a waste of time to add keywords, GPS locations, or other metadata to their images because "I don't need any help searching, I can remember exactly where I took each photo" or who was in them.

By selfishly limiting the scope of their photography to their own lifespan (or as long as their memories hold out, which can't be assumed to last one's own lifetime), they rob their family and community of data that would keep their photographic legacy relevant and valuable after their death.

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snegron2
By snegron2 (12 hours ago)

Sadly, what we as photographers consider valuable, the rest of the world does not. He put in the effort to capture and save images of other artist's work, now no one seems to find his efforts relevant.

On a similar note, even original art is rarely appreciated today. I truly believe this is a reflection of the new generation. People today care little for art or history; they value more what technology can do to impress or entertain them. There is little, if any, soul in this new generation.

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chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (11 hours ago)

There's plenty of soul in this new generation, and it's in the technology. Just check out the rest of the internet.

Even photography is arguably more impressive, now that digital makes it 'free' to experiment. This new generation has been defined by wanting to push boundaries, and being able to do so (with everything being digital, making experimentation not too costly)

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snegron2
By snegron2 (8 hours ago)

But who, if anyone are your clients? Playing around with the latest digital toys is fun, but who is paying for the "boundary-pushing art" being produced? Answer; no one.

The internet? Relatively free access to information posted by "boundary-pushing" young, struggling artists.

Photography more impressive today because of digital? Try capturing the moment on a roll of film and developing that image to perfection. That, my friend, is true talent. Anyone can shoot off a thousand digital pictures and pick/choose a few to post process; capturing a perfect image right out of the camera with only 24 or 36 shots is talent. Yes, most Pulitzer Prize-winning photos were captured on film by dedicated photographers who had one thing in common; soul.

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JWest
By JWest (3 hours ago)

Ah, so you're saying the harder something is, the more worthwhile it is? Got it, thanks. I'll attempt to take all my pictures from now on using a can of tuna instead of a camera. It might take a while to get decent results, but my God, when I do it will have such soul!

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mckracken88
By mckracken88 (12 hours ago)

nobody wants slides of 'modern art'? im not surprised.

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mgblack74
By mgblack74 (10 hours ago)

Is modern art from 39 years ago still modern? A modern car from 39 years ago is....? Or is it now classical art?

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (12 hours ago)

"Somewhere in that pile is a gem waiting to be cut and polished..."

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (13 hours ago)

I guess scanning them and then archiving the scans might be a good idea. There are plenty of films (still and moving picture) that have deteriorated badly and should have been backed up to a digital file.

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Imagefoundry
By Imagefoundry (13 hours ago)

very interesting article, especially for me.
I've been photographing artworks professionally since early 90s (first assisting, then on my own) - and I have an expansive collection of 4x5 and 8x10 chromes of some pretty important works.
However, copywork is copywork and I am sure if I tried to market these images I would face a major wrath from art community, and it's likely to be a career-ending move, aside of getting sued for copyright breach.

I wonder what Dr.Dee is thinking about legal framework for selling this collection.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (13 hours ago)

He's looking to donate, not sell them. All he's asking is that the recipient be an institution so he can get a tax deduction from the contribution.

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sdribetahi
By sdribetahi (14 hours ago)

I'll take them.

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alatchin
By alatchin (14 hours ago)

Here is what needs to be remembered about this collection:

It is a collection.

Unlike all his clients who have smaller elements of this, he has the scope of the scene, he has a whole of their parts...

I hope someone does something with them :)

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David Hart
By David Hart (15 hours ago)

"'If they [the client] ordered 10 slides, I’d shoot 12. It was cheaper to shoot extras than to go back and reshoot."

If I understand this correctly, these are the leftovers of the photos that he took for his clients. Presumably, they got the best of the bunch. It also appears that he didn't catalog them in any way so there is no idea, unless you go visit, what the subjects are and how many of them are actually decent photos.

It's like someone having a hockey card collection where all of the popular and mint condition cards were sold off and the rest were thrown in a box.

Is it really worth the effort? After all, presumably the actual art pieces and the original photos provided to the clients still exist.

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Amadou Diallo
By Amadou Diallo (14 hours ago)

The backups were just that, providing a spare identical slide/tranny in case the original was lost/damaged. Same lighting, angle, etc as the ones that went to clients.

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KariP
By KariP (15 hours ago)

Strange - this discussion - and the situation. That collection is so huge , that it contains also (how much?) some important things about art not just trendiness - what ever that is. People who try to write about art in a historical perspective after some decades will be very happy if the archives exist in 2063.

If these slides are destroyed there will be nothing much left of that period - after some 50-100 years also our digital work has disappeared in to the graveyard of ancient useless file formats.

There will b a huge black hole - renaissance will be better documented - ink on paper.... Should some institution think about future researchers - i do not know. Perhaps all that art and art scene should go into oblivion. If it has no value. I'm not talking about money as a measure of value.

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SDPharm
By SDPharm (16 hours ago)

Many retired or deceased photographers can't give away their original artwork. It's not uncommon for whoever inherited the work to throw them away. This had been discussed in a recent issue of LensWork.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (15 hours ago)

That has nothing to do with what happened here this isn't his work it is reproduction work of others artist. He can't give it away because he doesn't have the rights to the work

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dpLarry
By dpLarry (11 hours ago)

BS. If it's any good there'll be takers.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (17 hours ago)

The problem is it is all reproduction work of copyrighted pieces. There fore no one can publish or display them publicly. What would be the point.

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Teila Day
By Teila Day (17 hours ago)

Think like a business person. If you had a Piccaso slide (use your imagination) it would be worth something, because someone out there would pay just to have it in their collection whether it's displayed or not. How much would that one slide be worth? How much would it be worth 3 generations from now?

I wouldn't pay $5 for the stuff, but you get my point ;)

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xMichaelx
By xMichaelx (15 hours ago)

" it is all reproduction work of copyrighted pieces. There fore no one can publish or display them publicly"
False. Photographs of copyrighted works are fine, unless they are slavish reproductions. If you take a photo of a statue, the copyright is yours. If you take a photo of a painting, the photo MAY be yours, assuming you've added your own take on it.

"What would be the point."
Even if these were slavish reproductions, there are many institutions (libraries, archives, etc.) that aren't worried about publishing or displaying. The point is maintaining an archive of knowledge that may not exist elsewhere, or that exists elsewhere but is potentially fragile.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (15 hours ago)

You don't understand this guy copied 2d art that is how it used to be done before scanners still is sometimes it is not original work

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (15 hours ago)

What would the point be of slides of artwork be that you couldn't print. Especially well known art that reproductions are availible. Maybe some of the large format slides would be cool

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Bryan Costin
By Bryan Costin (15 hours ago)

It's a good example of how current copyright laws fail at the purpose they're intended to serve.

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Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (14 hours ago)

But you have to remember that there is a time limit how long the copyright is still valid, even if these photos are just reproductions.

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marcuz
By marcuz (13 hours ago)

Yeah copyright laws, in U.S. I suppose, as well as in Italy, are not very contemporary.
One thing that I would not take as granted is the "slides being copies of other 2D work" so what? what it is the intrinsic worth of an artist's work if it is taken out of context? There is no meaning to art without context to its message, therefore, a slide of a given work, or experience, at that, being removed from the original piece, is already a different thing.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (11 hours ago)

what would be the point of copyright law if it didnt make it illegal to make copies of artwork? honestly the claims made by those who hate the rights of artist have gone from the odd to the sureal. copyright law is outmoted because it stops you from making copies. This guy has extra slides from copywork he did over the years witch are really only useful to the copyright holder who probably still has the copies he already made ergo this guys collection isnt that useful. maybe a museum would like to have the large format slides but the point of having a bunch of the 35 mm and medium format slides you cant reproduce for a long time escapes me. and once they fall in the public domain the works they are of than anyone cares about already exist in forms that can be reproduced.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (17 hours ago)

I am sure someone will take it in now that it is in the NYTimes. That said, most of SOHO art scene is just trendiness, not art.

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Teila Day
By Teila Day (17 hours ago)

Obviously scores of people find artistic value in it whether you or I like it or not. Bottom line... it's art. I've seen stuff from the great painters that I thought was worse than what my kids have doodled.
Either way- it's all art irrespective of your opinion of it.

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ryansholl
By ryansholl (16 hours ago)

30 years of trendiness is history. Someone's interested.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (2 hours ago)

@Teila Day

Art is only art if enough the peer group of artists, curators, and buyers agree that it is. They also conspire to determine its worth.

Is his collection of sufficient value to merit the cost and effort of archiving it? That it hasn't been snapped up already suggests it might be a borderline case, but maybe it just needed for word of its availability to get out.

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