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Is this the new Leica 'Mini M'?

By dpreview staff on May 29, 2013 at 18:07 GMT

Leica has announced that it has a 'new family member' coming on June 11th and, as the German manufacturer continues to tease the 'Mini M' on its website, a photo has emerged which may reveal more details about the forthcoming camera. According to mirrorlessrumors.com, a 'French iPad app' has published what seems to be an advertisement for the new Mini M and, if genuine, it reveals that the Mini will sport a 16MP APS-C sensor and an 28-70mm (equivalent) F3.5-6.4 zoom lens.

Other details from the supposed French advert include full HD video recording and aluminum body construction. Ironically (but not unexpectedly) the photograph indicates that the purported M Mini lacks an optical viewfinder. Why is that ironic? Well, because according to Leica lore, the 'M' in Leica M stands for 'Messsucher', which is German for 'rangefinder'. Of course there's every reason to expect that even if it doesn't offer a 'true' Leica M experience, like the X-2 and (M Typ 240) the new camera will support an optional electronic viewfinder of some description (we're holding out for a re-badged version of the very nice Olympus VF4).  

Meanwhile, the mysterious black box on Leica's website has opened slightly...

According to mirrorlessrumors.com the new camera will cost 2450 Euros (~$3100). What do you make of this latest rumor? Let us know in the comments.

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miric
By miric (10 months ago)

Now the answer to the article's heading "Yes it is". The same sh.i.t as in rumours.

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kty
By kty (10 months ago)

Leica died along with Ernst Leitz...

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avicennatr
By avicennatr (10 months ago)

i wish a camera full frame, M bayonet or 35mm fix lens, no rangefinder, more compact and affordable than Leica M-E. İf it will be fix lens, it will be a competitor to sony rx1

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Andyart01
By Andyart01 (10 months ago)

It's not quite true that this image is definitely fake! The camera being revealed from the box and this one could be the same, or at least very similar, you will notice that all the cameras on the leica homepage are shown face on, it looks like its only the box that is at an oblique angle. I think its only an illusion that makes the camera looks like it has a pancake or retractable lens!

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Vadimka
By Vadimka (10 months ago)

True that

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Vadimka
By Vadimka (10 months ago)

at least now we know that picture above is a fake.
But still looks like it will be fixed lens, d*mn. And also looks like a retractable one, which makes little sense. Why retractable lens on a camera thats not really pocketable anyway.

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Dennis Linden
By Dennis Linden (10 months ago)

The teaser now looks like the Olympus Body Cap lens...

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match14
By match14 (10 months ago)

I was hoping for an updated Digilux 3 with EVF.

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Kivivuori
By Kivivuori (10 months ago)

Check this out:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151641097966591&set=o.75684997734&type=1&theater

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Poss
By Poss (10 months ago)

Mini M(e)? (e) from electronic viewfinder...

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (10 months ago)

The wealthy ! Ahhhhhh the wealthy !!!
The red dot ! Ahhhhhh the red dot !!!

I am not wealthy and I shoot with Leica gear. Moreover my M3 has no red dot.
Sorry guys but you were all WRONG !

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dickgrafixstop
By dickgrafixstop (10 months ago)

gobble, gobble, gobble!

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comet suisei
By comet suisei (10 months ago)

the right camera is the X2 Yokohama Edition, only sold in Yokohama

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/net/newproducts/camera/20130527-OYT8T00260.htm

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architographer
By architographer (11 months ago)

If Mini M is a X-zoom, that is a big disappointment.

But I still prefer and appreciate to carry M9+21SEM, instead of 800E+14-24.

Quality of images is not from pixel-peeping level of sharpness. The life of images weights a lot on micro-contrast instead. And the life of photographs is only from the photographer.

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Poss
By Poss (10 months ago)

Umm sharpness is usually linked to micro-contrast...

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bmoag
By bmoag (11 months ago)

If this were full frame it might have a wider appeal. As an APS-C sensor with only an LCD viewer it is not of much use even to the well healed status seeker. I do not get their thinking but Leica survives on its non-camera business anyway.

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jimmytong
By jimmytong (11 months ago)

There are some update on leica site. Maybe the rumors are purposely leaked by them.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (11 months ago)

If the rest of the specs are right, the most important feature I want to know about this is ...

Will it blend?

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Marty CL
By Marty CL (11 months ago)

As an owner of a couple of vintage Leicas and a Leica C Lux 2--I know that the Red Dot can be very alluring. But $3,000 will buy a lot of camera from Nikon. Not so much from Leica.

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richygm
By richygm (11 months ago)

As a matter of curiosity, can any qualified poster here tell us how much leaving the rangefinder mechanism out of the M240 would allow Leica to reduce the price by?

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inthebuisness
By inthebuisness (11 months ago)

I held the camera in my hand 2 days ago.
Leica vario X is the name.
28-70/3,5-6,3 (Equivalent to 35mm).
Its like the X2, but with a zoom. More solid built body though.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (10 months ago)

Yes. Then it must be true. You seen to be a reliable source. I always trust a faceless dude on internet forums that has a brand new account.

Why, just yesterday I was hanging out with the ghost of Oskar Barnack and apparently he did most of the designing.

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inthebuisness
By inthebuisness (10 months ago)

Ha Ha, youre a funny guy JDThomas.
Wait until the 11th and see if I were right or not.
Then I will say: I rest my case.

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inthebuisness
By inthebuisness (10 months ago)

...oh almost forgot, Im quite sure Oskar Barnack had nothing to do with the design, maybe it was your ghosts you were talking (drinking?) with ;)

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slonyer66
By slonyer66 (10 months ago)

I know for fact that "inthebuisness" is right.
I also had it in my hands, for about 5 minutes, since I work for a prof.photostore in europe. We had a preview with Leica.
So JDThomas, maybe you shouldnt be so ignorant?

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ARB1
By ARB1 (10 months ago)

Sooo, I'm guessing it didn't have an EVF?

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ultimitsu
By ultimitsu (11 months ago)

So it is a 19-45 F3.5 to F6.4, right?

if we talk about 135 equivalent why do you say 28-70 F5.25-9.6?

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (10 months ago)

no.

28-70mm F3.5 to F6.4 is correct.
The brightness of the lens is a more important detail than the "24x36" equivalent Depth of Field.

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Carbon111
By Carbon111 (11 months ago)

Leica makes some of the best lenses in the world. Ultra-sharp even wide open.
...which really makes me question if this is real.

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xentar
By xentar (11 months ago)

Well, I am sure, at f/6.4 it will be ultra-sharp, even when "wide open".

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Carbon111
By Carbon111 (10 months ago)

If this is real, it's a *very bad* miscalculation on Leica's part. That lens is too slow to be useful in my opinion.

I was hoping for a Leica response to the Sony RX1.

If this *is* confirmed as the new camera on the 11th, I'll use the money I've started saving on a used Summilux-M Instead. Time to replace my Cron.

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renapearl
By renapearl (10 months ago)

Rumours, rumours, rumours, this hype is what helps sell the cameras. With regards to Leica making the best lenses in the world, as a Leica users I would agreed BUT the lens does have to be calibrated/true and not to mention the rangefinder being correct. I have a 75mm lens which is back in Sohms for the thirds time because of front focusing, and yes the camera has also been sent back with the lens. But like most other Leica users - we accept it!

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Cheng Bao
By Cheng Bao (11 months ago)

It's time for sony to revive DSC-R1. Sony can even keep lens unchanged

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guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (10 months ago)

Absolutely. How my R1 would would work with one of Sony's latest sensors! Wow! I'll donate my R1 if Sony will do the transplant for me.

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JagK
By JagK (11 months ago)

Wait for the Panasonic at a considerably lower price without the red dot

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Monochrom
By Monochrom (11 months ago)

If it's true, this camera is a gadget, not a serious rangefinder camera. Leica will have special editions of this camera to attract "i nééd this" kinda people....

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T3
By T3 (11 months ago)

On the contrary, many might call a Leica rangefinder camera an over-priced, anachronistic "gadget" catering to people more interested in mechanical gadgetry and status rather than serious photography. It's all a matter of perspective.

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Monochrom
By Monochrom (11 months ago)

Maybe, but a rangefinder is still the most precise way to focus, specialy with a wide-angle lens in dark situations.
And the overpricing is not caused by the rangefinder alone, the sensor has a lot to do with that as well. Just look at the price difference between the M and the M-E.

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xentar
By xentar (11 months ago)

While the above may be true, digital rangefinder bodies are unique. Mirrorles cameras with no viewfinder and slow kit lenses - not so much. Which makes the brand the only reason for a certain kind of people to buy something like this.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Not sure the survey instrument company is the same as the camera body and lens maker.

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jberk
By jberk (11 months ago)

They arent

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (11 months ago)

Leica is the brand that you will not find a comparison with any other photo camera, in this site . That is maybe because you will not be able to justify that extremely high prices these things are sold. Human vanity sells high prices.
One thing though we have to admit, the logo is very attracting

P.S Dxomark camera rating is very disappointing for Leica and the amount of money someone must pay to own this piece o-fart

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agentul
By agentul (11 months ago)

i'd like a comparison between Leica and Hasselblad.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (11 months ago)

I'm afraid Leica wouldn't pass a comparison versus 500$ photo camera

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edbollom
By edbollom (11 months ago)

Is this going to be a Lumix GX1 but with the red dot? It really is unbelievable that the v-lux range have been conning people out of there money for so long when they are exactly thesame as Panasonic's LX series but far more expensive! The lenses are great but the camera bodies are 100% style over substance.

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luigibozi
By luigibozi (11 months ago)

You cannot ask five x price for the same thing, even if you're Leica... I think it's not a GX1, although a GX1 seems to fit that box... ;)

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edbollom
By edbollom (11 months ago)

Maybe Leica should have stuck to high quality optics and film cameras? Thier digital cameras just can't compete with the competition for the same price. Its companies like Fujifilm that are coming up with the interesting ideas now.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

edbollom:

There's still another manufacturer of digital M mount rangefinder bodies? Which one.

And what's the competition for the S2 system? I can think of some competitors, but they're more expensive and harder to use outside of the studio.

Leica M lenses used to cost less, as recently as about 7 years ago, but then the company shrank to one lens factory in Germany, and Leica redid a lot of lens designs.

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edbollom
By edbollom (11 months ago)

Ok the s2 is a different story and not a camera I have experience of. But why buy an M body when you could get a Nikon d800 or canon 5d with an m adaptor and get wider dynamic range, better bit depth and higher resolution? Ok so they are well made and more compact but for me its the quality of the image that's most important.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

edbollom:

I didn't know there was an easy way to mount an M lens on a Nikon body, those lenses have a shallower focus plain. One can mount a Leica R lens on a SLR body, but then some of the R lenses can't work with full framed bodies.

Just get a manual focus Zeiss for a Nikon body if you want near Leica image quality.

I'm not a huge advocate of Leica bodies, but right now its the only digital M system, nothing stopping another company from making a digital M rangefinder (eg Epson/Voightlander). Though Leica/Kodak worked out a curved microlens array that really helps and does mean that the M9 can do things that the D800 can't--less vignetting when a fast lens is wide open.

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Viggo
By Viggo (11 months ago)

While I agree with Leica being overpriced, and useless with electronics, the the V-lux and LX are actually the same price, the difference in total price is because the Leica is bundled with Lightroom and/or Elements. Now that those softwares have become cheaper, it's not absolute truth anymore.

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starwolfy
By starwolfy (10 months ago)

Why buy a M instead of a D800 or a 5d Mk II ?

Maybe here is one of the reasons:

http://www.m-journey.net/wp-content/gallery/m9vsd800e-1-cameras/photo-2.jpg

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luigibozi
By luigibozi (11 months ago)

That slightly opened box (on Leica's website) seems not being able to have the zoom inside. Or maybe is a M-mount camera?!

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (11 months ago)

"According to mirrorlessrumors.com the new camera will cost 2450 Euros (~$3100). What do you make of this latest rumor? Let us know in the comments."

Someone remind me why an apsc should cost this much?

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T3
By T3 (11 months ago)

Because it has a Leica red dot on it.

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Entropius
By Entropius (11 months ago)

For that price you could get an E-M5 and a whole bunch of lenses that are a lot faster than f/6.whatever...

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Babka08
By Babka08 (11 months ago)

I may or may not buy it, if it might or might not have an f/6.4 short range zoom, or perhaps a range viewer sort of, with possibly an apsc sensor or other than that, and I am convinced it's going to have the red dot, so that's the dealbreaker for me if so because otherwise whether or not it has a battery or not that type of lens technology in history maybe.

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LJ - Eljot
By LJ - Eljot (11 months ago)

There is the Leica MD (1964 bis 1966) wich has also no rangefinder.

If you don't have a rangefinder use this:

http://www.kinotehnik.com/products/lcdvf/overview

it is a realy great product.

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Geoff Brown
By Geoff Brown (11 months ago)

I suppose Leica makes more money from surveying instruments and other precision optical devices. Cameras are not their main source of income or sales nowadays. The cameras are a luxury item for the fortunate few!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Not sure the survey instrument company is the same as the camera body and lens maker.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Not sure the survey instrument company is the same as the camera body and lens maker.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (11 months ago)

I'm not so sure about that. Recently they've opened a new state of the art factory for manufacturing M and S bodies. This part of business must be doing well.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

ManuelVilardeMacedo:

Right and all those bodies and lenses sell out immediately.

Also confirmed elsewhere the survey instrument company is not the same.

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kadardr
By kadardr (11 months ago)

These things are not for shooting pictures, they are for satisfying gear lust of the wealthy.

The little Ms are shamefully piggybacking the M heritage.

That is problem.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Well in the picture none of the mini Ms have the letter M on the body. And in reality too. It's probably just stupid FBook marketing by Leica.

And note: No M on the bodies in the "picture" above.

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xentar
By xentar (11 months ago)

3.5-6.4 with a 28-70 range? That makes the OM-D kit lens look bright in comparison.

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Ulfric M Douglas
By Ulfric M Douglas (11 months ago)

That lens ... didn't I get one on the front of my G1 all those years ago?
;) Half-serious.

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RScharadin
By RScharadin (11 months ago)

(fingers crossed) I hope that the leak is only half correct in that the mini-m is more like a "non-rangefinder" M8 with the sensor size but still has the ability to change the lenses.

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maniax
By maniax (11 months ago)

If you really want a leica, get a M6. It will cost as much as a rebel and although its not digital, it will make wonderful photos.

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hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (10 months ago)

No it won't, you might, with it.

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architographer
By architographer (11 months ago)

How can any sub-M without RF compete the future NEX FF?

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Adeel-A
By Adeel-A (11 months ago)

I agree with the people who say that the M-mini should be the M without the rangefinder. It should be a slightly more affordable system camera. Similar to how we have an entry level FX for Nikon/Canon now.
If this is indeed a fixed lens camera with a zoom, leica still is trying something different compared to Fuji(X100) and Sony(RX1). You are still getting a "Leica" and at the same time you are not reduced to only one focal length. I personally wouldn't mind a zoom (a good zoom) over a fixed lens for travelling. I recently went to Turkey and Greece and there is no way I would be ok with just one focal length, but at the same time it was annoying to switch lenses. The focal length proposed here sounds just about right. Probably not wide enough.

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Den Sh
By Den Sh (11 months ago)

You might not understand this but Leica thinks that they already have budget rangefinder (M-E). It's only that 'budget' is defined as $5000 for 2009's tech.

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walkaround
By walkaround (11 months ago)

If true, it is a huge disappointment, and an epic fail. Why would anyone buy this over a Canon Rebel? Leica lives or dies on its rangefinder lenses. The "mini" should've been an M240 without the rangefinder.

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GabrielZ
By GabrielZ (11 months ago)

Just a slightly re-styled X2 with a fixed zoom? I hope not - more likely that zoom is a kit lens and this in fact is an interchangeable lens variation of the X series. Shame it doesn't incorporate an EVF as standard - or maybe it does...that thicker top-plate might not just be a styling flourish.

Two or three years back Leica hinted that they were looking into the APS-C interchangeable lens - mirrorless camera market. Maybe this is what they've come up with? But it'll have to be something very special to compete with the price/performance ratio of Fujifilm's offerings...but then I suppose that 'Leica' nameplate will be enough for many people.

Still, looking forward to see what they have up their sleeve.

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sproketholes
By sproketholes (11 months ago)

I dont know how this company is still in business.

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Claus Ladefoged
By Claus Ladefoged (11 months ago)

People not understanding why Leica is still in business have apparently zero sense for aesthetics, design and lack understanding of not everything having to be an arms race for more and more features.....

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (11 months ago)

Because they offer great cameras for niche consumers and make the best lenses in the business.

If you've ever used a real Leica M you'd understand.

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (11 months ago)

Well I've owned a number of Leica M's and I struggle to understand how they're still in business. If it wasn't for Chinese collectors, they probably wouldn't be! The M8 was terrible, the M9 had more than it's fair share of issues. Film Leica's were great, but their digital offerings have been somewhat lacklustre, problematic and overpriced.

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walkaround
By walkaround (11 months ago)

JD, this Fuji ripoff is in no way a Leica M.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (11 months ago)

Leica don't know how to make good consumer cameras but they know something else.

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Tom_A
By Tom_A (11 months ago)

Perhaps they are in business because next to collectors many people like making photos with Leicas? Have a look at the Leica forum, many people simply enjoying them as photo tools and posting pictures.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (11 months ago)

@walkaround: This isn't even an official Leica product photo. It's a mock-up someone made and posted to the internet. So before you go jumping to conclusions and calling it out as a "Fuji rip-off" maybe you should wait until the REAL camera is released.

@DaveBowman: Maybe for YOU the M8 was terrible, but in my hands it produces wonderful images. Take a look at all of the images that I've made with that TERRIBLE camera:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjEDChts

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Ed Gaillard
By Ed Gaillard (11 months ago)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (11 months ago)

@JDThomas - so, you think the M8 was worthy of the 'Leica' name do you? It was in no way clunky, slow, periodically hung, shutter would lock, needed filters after the fact because it hadn't been tested properly... the list goes on. I can take good images with a pinhole camera made out of a tin can - you're point is what exactly?

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (11 months ago)

@DaveBowman: Yeah, I do think it was worthy. What exactly is YOUR point? If you don't like it and you don't want it, why are you crying about it? There are plenty of options out there for you. So instead of complaining about a camera that doesn't do what you want it to, why don't you go find one that does EVERYTHING you want it to and be positive about it?

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (11 months ago)

@JDThomas - oh dear, seems I've hit a nerve. I understand you own the camera, paid good money for it, etc. etc. Sorry your feel you need to be so protective, but it's understandable. If I'd paid for a Rolls Royce and received a Skoda I'd be upset too. The fact remains that the M8 was a serious blot on Leica's reputation of quality cameras, given what had gone before. Thankfully they pulled it back a bit with the M9, but there were still issues. Pity you can't accept it for what it is. As I don't own one anymore I assure you I'm not the one crying :). The cameras I own do what I need them too. I'm still entitled to have an opinion on those I've owned (and regret) though.

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (11 months ago)

It's perhaps worth adding that I have nothing against Leica products per se. I just believe that since they were dragged kicking and screaming into the digital age they've struggled to produce cameras to the same quality as their analogue counterparts. I know there are those who consider it blasphemy to utter a bad word against an M, those for whom Leica can do no wrong. However, when I pay for quality I expect to get it, end to end. The M8, for me, was a big disappointment. Sure, it took pictures, but the shortfalls were really unforgivable from a manufacturer synonymous with quality. When I start missing shots because of camera failings I'm going to call a spade a spade and not gloss over it purely because it has the Leica logo and a price tag that means it 'must be good'. If it works for you JDThomas, and you can live with the issues, then more power to you!

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (11 months ago)

@DaveBowman: You didn't hit a nerve. I'd have to actually care about what you thought. The M8 does everything I expect the M8 to do. I didn't buy it expecting to fire off 100 fps or AF or whatever. I bought it to do what it does. And it exceeds my expectations sometimes. I accept the camera for what it is. A Leica M8.

If there are thing the M8 can't do, I have other cameras to cover those areas. There's no regret on my part. I'm perfectly happy with my M8.

I don't tie my self-worth to a camera like a lot of people do. I have owned and sold more cameras than I care to count. It's part of my job. I use a camera that gets the job done for me. The M8 does a great job for me. That's not my ego talking because I spent a bunch of money on it, it's the truth. If it wasn't working for me I'd get rid of it. It's just a camera. And it happens to be a camera I like. A lot.

You're not the only one entitled to have an opinion. And you know what they say about opinions...

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DaveBowman
By DaveBowman (11 months ago)

@JDThomas - Indeed, like you I also bought it to do a job, a job for which my previous Leica's had always served me well. Unfortunately it fell well short. I fully accepted the camera for what it was - an M8. I failed to accept it for what it was pretending to be - a Leica.

Not sure about opinions, but I know what they say about assumptions. Like I said, if it works for you, bonus. You're displaying a very defensive posture for someone who claims not to care though.

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (11 months ago)

Is a Nikon Pronea not a Nikon? It was a failure of an APS camera, and nothing like any of their full-frame offerings. It had a lot of shortcomings just like the M8.

An M8 is not "pretending" to be a Leica. It IS a Leica because it is MADE my Leica. Whether or not it's up to your standards doesn't change the fact that it's still a Leica.

I don't even know where any assumptions were made, but I guess that was your attempt at insulting me.

Defensive? Nah, just making a point. You read too much into this. It's just an internet forum dude. I'll never click on this link again and that'll be it. There's really nothing else to say on this matter for me.

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JackM
By JackM (11 months ago)

Fuji knows how Leica is still in business, and they want a piece of that action.

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Einst Stein
By Einst Stein (11 months ago)

I was expecting a fix max zoom. I Leica had demonstrate a prime-matching low cost zoom of 35-70mm f4 for 35mm film, and a better version with contant max f2.8 but much more expensive. I expect a piece of cake to converte that to 35-70mm f2.8 or even f2 constant max zoon in the cropped format.

With Leica's contrast of the "micro M" that is APS-C, I thought the "mini M" might be APS-H, like the M8, but apparently, the APS-C sensor will be much more expensive duevto the volume in he whole sensor market.

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Justin Francis
By Justin Francis (11 months ago)

Similar to a $100,000 VW Beetle I guess. Trading on nostalgia.

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vetsmelter
By vetsmelter (10 months ago)

That may be part of it.
But in retrospect I'd rather pay double for so called cheaper Japanese technology than to suffer their tripple meltdown. It seems all comes with a price at the end.
With all due respect to the passionate and creative minds behind Japanese camera's but I am looking for a non Japanese camera next time and Leica now using European sensors helps Germany getting rid of nukes helps me decide. All bits help. Consumers can change the world.

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sp33dy100
By sp33dy100 (11 months ago)

I'd rather have rx1 for less if that really is pricepoint

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FoToEdge
By FoToEdge (11 months ago)

I just love my Fuji XE-1... why pay more for less?

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Tom_A
By Tom_A (11 months ago)

I love my XE-1 with the 35mm lens as well.

But I find it perfectly ok that others buy a Leica without me judging them. With proper M lens quality it will be a great tool as well.

3 upvotes
PenGun
By PenGun (11 months ago)

My X-E1 with the XF 14mm I just bought and the XF 60mm I've had for a while is a sweet machine for my purpose. I doubt the Mini will be any better in any useful way.

2 upvotes
Dimitris Servis
By Dimitris Servis (11 months ago)

Now I know how the camera I will not be buying might look like.

9 upvotes
Tom_A
By Tom_A (11 months ago)

That was a truly useful comment, enlightening us all.

8 upvotes
Dimitris Servis
By Dimitris Servis (11 months ago)

You mean mine or yours?

2 upvotes
Tim F 101
By Tim F 101 (11 months ago)

A fixed 3.5-6.4 zoom? For $3,000+ ?!? Yikes. Trying to visualize the market segment Leica is gunning for, I see wealthy brand-conscious NEX users who don't need portability or the option to use decent lenses.

5 upvotes
mpetersson
By mpetersson (11 months ago)

Another re-branded Panasonic? If this is the real camera it looks like a Panasonic with a Leica-like skin pulled over it.

0 upvotes
Tim F 101
By Tim F 101 (11 months ago)

Is not. Panasonic does not make APS-C.

3 upvotes
EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (11 months ago)

yet

2 upvotes
Felts
By Felts (11 months ago)

Theres too much M DNA in that camera for it to be a rebranded panasonic...

1 upvote
Ed Gaillard
By Ed Gaillard (11 months ago)

"Theres too much M DNA in that camera for it to be a rebranded panasonic..."

What does that even mean?

2 upvotes
Felts
By Felts (11 months ago)

Ed...

Look at the top plate design, the dials, the shape of the camera. Its Leica through and through... it's DNA if you will. Not panasonic in any shape or form...

0 upvotes
Tim F 101
By Tim F 101 (11 months ago)

EssexAsh: Never. Panny has committed root and branch to the 4/3 sensor size. The would have to design an entirely new line of lenses, pulling resources away from their gangbusters m4/3 operation. Not going to happen.

0 upvotes
guamy
By guamy (11 months ago)

Japanese favorite camera, Leica.

1 upvote
Trollshavethebestcandy
By Trollshavethebestcandy (11 months ago)

Maybe a real Leica and not a 2 year digital disposeable one.

1 upvote
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