Just Posted: Olympus E-PM2 Review: Digital Photography Review

Anyone has any update about the PM2 LCD display area. My PM2 LCD is not full screen for some reason I cannot figure out.

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LCD should be full screen in movie mode. For stills, the pics and the LCD are different aspect ratios.

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I'm not clear with the reviews -
the D5200 has 79, and the "E-PM2 without viewfinder, etc." 77 -
is horrible

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reviews are subjective, as clearly indicated. they are of the opinion of the writer of the review. it's clear also that these two different cameras are aimed toward different target audiences. for example, some people seeking a more pocketable camera would not consider a viewfinder to be crucial.

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My impression from jpeg studio samples is that the reviewer set the noise filter to "off" or "low" and forgot about it.

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And now all the samples have changed and are pretty much identical to E-M5

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" ....making the E-PM2 a potentially very attractive second camera"

What a snobbish Statement, Allison!

Thanks for the (otherwise) excellent review, Herbert

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For the love of Jaysus lads, before ye post a picture of a lass, ye must, must, must go over her skin with the healing brush. There's no call to be throwing photos of your womenfolk up onto the internet with their flaws out there for the world to see. It's not gentlemanly and can only end in tears.

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Please do not make their faces plastic like, with that awful skin smoothing. I really hate that cosmetic glamour sh*t.

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Why do entry-level cameras always have to lack dials and other physical controls??? Are beginners more adept at or do they particularly enjoy digging through menus? Does that make handling of the camera easier? Does it make the functions more visible or understandable for people accustomed to letting the auto mode do all the "thinking"?

A pity, really, that this will probably keep many p&s upgraders away from the otherwise excellent EPM-2...

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Not really
the point is makers of entry level cameras always target people who dont care much about control but may care about better IQ. Those customers don't want to learn (in general) new things and leave cameras in full auto mode. That is why there are so much more sold of entry level cameras than advanced ones

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It's certainly going to keep me away from the E-PM2 as I've been considering getting my first ILC. I've only ever owned P&S cameras and I'm used to having a mode dial and straightforward menus. I'm not interested in taking a step backwards in ergonomics and control. It's had me looking more at the NEX-3N, which also lacks a mode dial but feels more configurable. If the E-PL5 was closer in price to the NEX-3N, there's a very good chance I would have already purchased one.

That said, I think I understand what they're going for. I may have a better sense of what I want in a camera than most P&S upgraders while simultaneously undervaluing certain features like the hot shoe that more experienced ILC users like having.

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Because "entry level" is another way to say "cheapest model." Or at least something that would appeal to value shoppers.

And it always costs more to add buttons and dials to a camera.

But even if it didn't add a lot of cost, the manufacturers would still leave things off the cheapest cameras to make you want to upgrade to the more expensive ones.

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@areichow - The E-PM2 is far far more configurable than the NEX-3n. I own both systems and the difference is very very stark. The E-PM2 is easily the better camera of the two... But the NEX does have a more useful kit lens and a flip screen.

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i don't remember an average consumer fiddling with the settings....all i remember them asking was what setting is the auto mode.
i shoot RAW and if i'm going to buy this camera, all i would want to know is how easy it is to use exposure compensation and live histogram, which, i fail to find in the review.

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Physical mode dial is not necessary. The E-PL5 is not really better because of a physical mode dial. The best benefit is to remap the mode dial to your mysets, about the only menu option that is truly a PITB to use! Changing mode via touch screen is very easy and it makes sense as opposed to tilting the camera and focusing on reading your mode dial, your eyes remain where it belongs, on the liveview, or on your EVF. Physical mode dials are more old fashioned than they are better in user interaction IMO. The mode setting is *displayed* whether in liveview or EVF. Keep in mind my DSLR does not do this...it does not tell me what mode it is in if I look through the OVF, I need to pull back and look on top of the camera...again a traditional and pointless user interaction that is arguably outdated.

The #1 user interactions that matters to me would be focus control and exposure controls. IMO most entry level to even expensive DSLRs absolutely are *poor* at focus control.

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zodiacfml is right.

Most people who buy this sort of camera set their camera up one time then leave it alone for the rest of time. You'd be shocked at how many people never change the setting from Auto, iAuto or Program mode.

And for those people who change their settings on each shot, and who always shoot in manual mode.... there are PLENTY of other cameras available that have lots of dials and buttons.

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This camera showcases the best use of a m43 sensor. It beats small-sensored advanced compacts.

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I thought the same, if not for the flash sync speed of the XZ-2 or the LX7, I'd thought of them as rip-offs compared to this compelling small camera. Additionally, the PM2 makes Nikon's 1 look worse to me.

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Although the image quality of EPM2 can beat small sensored advanced compacts, owners of the LX7 and XZ2 would disagree with their cameras being a rip off. EPM2 body is small but with kit lens is much larger than the advanced compacts. Fast lens with variable zoom of small advanced compacts like LX7 make them excellent cameras for truly lightweight carry all day compacts and excellent Leica optics. If you have never tried one, do so, before making comments like that. I have LX5 and image quality is great in good to moderate low light and near DSLR sharp image quality with low fine noise, until you hit the higher ISO/low light over 800 iso. With the fast compact Leica lens at F1.4 of LX7 or Leica F2.0 of LX5 you do not need to go higher iso than 800 iso much anyway most of the time.

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An E-PM1/E-PL1 shooter last year, I for sure figured I'd grab this E-PM2 when it was announced. In the end I ended up getting a Sony NEX-C3 kit for $330 about 3 months ago. I guess I'm cheap--this was STILL selling for $500 everywhere I looked & I'd also have to update my LR 3.5 for RAW shooting. I'm fine with NEX now. I really do love Olympus but they look too long to update their sensor--or I guess I'm just cheap.

Yes the C3 is older, things like AF have improved since, but the usage of this great sensor 2-odd years ago made it to where I could grab great image quality very cheap. Its interface is fine once I mapped ISO & WB to left-right, customized the center-button (AF modes mainly) & mapped the bottom to quickly changing active AF point selection. No IBIS issues either.

And Olympus REALLY needs to fix the 16:9/4:3 LCD mismatch, yes the C3 does this too but not as badly.

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So now you have 3 cheap entrance level camera's (2 different systems) and 3 kit lenses.... Lenses are the better investment into the hobby and your skill training.

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No, I sold the E-PM1 out. I have the Sigma 30mm f/2.8 which, although low-priced, does very well. I also have legacy manual-focus glass (although as of late I don't use it as much).

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That's ok. Sony waited too long to announce the NEX-3N and I ended up getting the E-PM2 instead. So we traded spots and both manufacturers made out.

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In the studio comparisons it looks good but all real life images are very disappointing. Too soft.

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And yet how marvelous the potential beyond the kit lens! The EPM2 sets the bar really high.

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I used to think the same. That on paper and according to the studio shots, I was getting poorer real-life keeper rates or soft micro-blur shots consistently. However this is when comparing against camera's where I have no stabilization at all with built in OVF. So what do you know, the moment I turn off IBIS, and bought a $100 EVF, I get just as good keeper rate if not better cause now I have a tiny camera that shoots 8fps like a 7D...something my big 5DMKII or my current 6D shoot about half the rate.

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To get sharp images you need to turn off the IBIS??? That is the only advantage of the m43 in IMO.

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A great little camera. A good $1,000-ish setup would be the E-PM2 with the kit lens, Panasonic 20mm F1.7, and the Panasonic 45-150.

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I had this camera for a two week testing period and have rather mixed feelings about the PM2. Best first: it produces very good images, full of detail with rich and true colors. Olympus PEN produce much better colors than Panasonic Lumix G (they should learn!)
On the other hand, what really annoyed me was the handling and lack of comfort with the PM2: switching the mode, or changing parameters in the menu, needed so long and so much fingertip expertise, that I lost a lot of fun. Because there is not much grip and the filming button is placed wrong, I often touched the filming button unnoticed and unintentionally, later looking at the card I went "oops, what film is that?" And the display is not up do date. Image quality aside, I felt there was too much compromise (still is with the PL5). Me personally, I would like to have a camera with the comfortable handling and generous equipment of Panasonic Lumix G-series, but with the much better image and color quality of Olympus ! all in one

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Perhaps a EPL5 would be a better choice for bit bigger, heavier camera than EPM2 for someone with average to large hands. (Or spring for the EM5 and add optional grip.) The EPM2 was intended as a small camera for those that wanted step up from P&S compact camera but at the smallest and lightest CSC size possible with Olympus m43 image quality. People choosing will either fit in this smaller m43 category, or else the other larger m43 category cameras including some of the Panasonic m43 that are bigger.

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Looks like a nice cameras. Just think Body Only should be somewhere around $300. We are well past development costs on this format and, wow, no cost for mirror, optical viewing, etc.

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I agree. I'm seeing $349 + shipping on ebay right now.

EDIT: And why not offer it with one of the cheapy pancake lenses? I'm tempted to buy it, but not with the bulky kit lens.

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The lowest I see is 424. on ebay (however with kit lens)... see link.

www.ebay.com/ctg/Olympus-PEN-E-PM2-16-1-MP-Digital-Camera-Black-Kit-w-M-Zuiko-Digital-14-42mm-II-lens-Lens-/129820028

or $369 for EPM2 for body only (from Taiwan) . Add shipping and duties!
www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5360.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=Olympus+EPM2+body&_sacat=0&_from=R40

I would rather buy from Amazon (USA) or local retailer than ebay, but that is just my opinion. Yours may be different.

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Adrian,

Where are you? I saw $349 (obo!) + $8 shipping in the U.S., unless somebody has bought it in the past couple of minutes, which does happen.

EDIT: It's still there, 11:56 A.M. EST. I'd link to it, but I'm sure that's not allowed.

I just checked again, and it's not new. Used w/ a few hundred shots. Sorry for the confusion. The camera is shown inside packaging on the listing, which confused me.

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@bobbarber: "And why not offer it with one of the cheapy pancake lenses?"

I agree, but the cheapy and good pancake lenses are Panasonic. Doubt Olympus would sell it that way.

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onlooker,

I'd settle for a crappy Olympus one, like the 17mm 2.8, which isn't that crappy really.

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bobbarber
The EPM2 with kit was new at 424. on ebay, and the body only from Taiwan, I think was also new at 369 plus shipping. Used ones, as you mentioned could certainly be cheaper, as this is ebay (new or used items, just like Amazon offers, sort of).

A person, has to consider if a store/retail warranty is worth it, for a bit higher price on a relatively inexpensive camera (compared to other m43) if one is offered, and where a person has to send camera if something goes wrong. This is the reason local retailers are still in business. Not everyone buys online camera bodies. Obviously, Amazon also has lots of buyers regardless of this, or ebay. I prefer handing the camera to retailer, if it breaks during warranty in Toronto.

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Adrian,

I like what you're saying. I've (almost) always gone for the cheapest stuff online, but it makes sense to support camera retailers. I used to patronize a genuine old-time camera shop, the kind with a single owner and lots of old cameras tucked into nooks and crannies around the store.

Unfortunately, at the moment my options are rather limited as I live in South America and the retail selection is limited and overpriced. I can order from ebay (or Amazon if I choose), and I don't pay customs if the item and shipping are < $400. Anything over $400 and customs rocks me.

Once I'm back in the U.S., I may switch to buying from retailers. There are advantages to having support locally for purchases.

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You can pick up the Panasonic 14mm separated from kits easily under $200. It's a nifty little lens, and pairs with the pm2 nicely for a very compact, capable package.

Personally, I got the 20mm 1.7, sure, its twice the price, but its almost as small, faster, a more flexible focal length (for me), and the images are great. If it focused just a little faster, id have no complaints.

As said before, the Olympus 17mm is an ok option for a cheap, small lens.

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The images from E-PM2 in JPEG clearly beats all nikon's latest offerings (D3200, D5200, D7100) in contrast and sharpness base on the comparison tool up to iso 3200, it's surprising how mushy the jpegs from the nikon looks. Nikon only pulls ahead in RAW from iso 3200 onwards. Seems like the new toshiba sensors isn't that much better compared to sony.

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Yes Olympus likes to crank up sharpness and contrast for consumer friendly JPEGs.

RAW shows a very different story however as the woman on the Lira Note, the fur, Mickey show a fairly dramatic difference in sharpness, especially with the D7100.

But 24 mp vs 16 mp can make judging acutance and high ISO tricky. The Coolpix A and D7000 are probably easier for direct RAW comparison against the 16 mp Olympus cameras.

Colors and base ISO also get overlooked so that might be something to look at as well.

I'm hoping the next Olympus has a base ISO of 100. That should be a bit nicer regarding shadow noise and will likely improve DR.

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And Nikon likes to mush up sharpness and contrast for the non-consumer friendly JPEGs

I don't see anything dramatic different I'm afraid, it's more like better by a hair for Nikon in some areas only. There are points in the scene that E-PM2 clearly shows better sharpness too (eg martini crest label, Queen of hearts, kodak gray scale logo, corner checkers pattern, the paint brush.... etc.

The real winner here will have to be the pentax K5 IIs. It's increadible

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This camera would be more tempting if it had an articulating screen.

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That is called a EPL5, but I am sure you already knew that.

Or perhaps you meant, a light weight body like EPM2 with thin articulating screen. This camera is meant to be as light weight as possible, and is, compared to EPL5.

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Best bang for the buck out there. Amazing IQ. Just needs a better LCD. The current one is crap when shooting 3:2.

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Very nice camera. A viable upgrade for my GF3, but I prefer built-in flash over hotshoe for second body.

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This camera is IMHO a wolf in sheep's clothing. It combines a completely inconspicuous look with the size of my GF3 and the IQ of my E-M5. When I tried it in a store, I didn't care for the wheel on the back. May have to give it another chance.

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Is this... the highest rating for an entry-level, mirrorless camera at DPR? It looks like it.

What makes this camera slightly better than, say, the NEXF3 (closest rival reviewed at DPR)?

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1) M43 lenses are smaller than e-mount at same equivalent lengths.
2) There are many more amazing M43 lenses available.
3) The IQ although with a smaller sensor is comparable to NEX.

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4) IBIS
5) hotshoe
6) EVF option

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I was so tempted to ask for a go in the time machine as the sample images were taken in Nov 1899, somehow the images seemed more contemporary than 114 years ago... Must have been another reason for that... so disappointed... :-).

Can in future we have more images with a range of ISOs? Seems the bulk are at min/low and I want to get a feel for the flexibility of the camera to a range of ISOs, always a token few with non-critical scenes that don't push the camera, or play safe and 'don't let the camera down'. In this case the images would imply a good capability, however just don't push the envelope.

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Images looks every bit as good as the E-M5 indeed. Nice.

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Hmmm...strangely, I don't feel that the samples have that "Olympus color tone" quality to them but rather the "Panasonic" one.

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same

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I'm very happy to see the E-PM2's lighter approach to noise reduction at high ISOs compared to the E-M5.

The E-PM2 better than the E-M5 at high ISOs?????

Heresy!

(... actually it's looking not just better but MUCH better!)

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The default settings might be. But you can get the same results with the image parameters. I used both cameras.

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So E-M5 has stronger noise reduction at default than E-PM2? That's surprising.
Shadows look much more noisy even than for E-PM1. Isn't that a mistake in the review, maybe noise filter was set to "low"?

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Check now, they quietly changed the samples, now with default noise reduction

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Is the shutter mechanical or electronic?

I could not find this info in the review.

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Mechanical. Electronic shutters are not there yet...

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Why, what does that do ?

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@Iskender The Panasonic G5 features an electronic shutter.

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The biggest Con for both the EPM2 and EPL5 is the 16:9 format LCD. 4:3 native image format on a 16:9 LCD make the actual screen area tiny. It's shocking that this was not listed as a Con over the others as most LCD aren't great in bright light, but almost no LCD but the PENs have black bars on the LCD. An aspect ratio meant for video and native 4:3 format do not work well together.

For the EPL5 (and I'm guessing the EPM2) AF is fast in bright light. Indoors and in low-light AF is much slower and it can sometimes become difficult to lock onto your subject. Use any Nikon 1 camera to see the difference in low-light or indoors for AF Single Shot.

But it''s hard to complain for the price as these are quite decent cameras capable of excellent images.

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You should really take a break from the nikon 1 propaganda. We got it already.

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Not propaganda, just a comparison based on real world usage. I've been a m43 user and fan for years. If the mere mention of another camera upsets you, you should probably avoid comment boards.

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@devlin2427

That's pretty funny considering how much time you spend trolling Nikon 1 announcements like the 32 f/1.2. The difference is that I actually use m43 cameras so commenting on them is not such a stretch.

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The 16:9 ration is for video shooters. My Sony A55 LCD screen is 16:9 also, and the camera's still photo aspect ration is 3:2.

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I'm afraid you are wrong my dear. The troll here is you. I commented on the nikon 1 lens because it's a very expensive lens for a dead end system.

You instead commented on an entry level Olympus camera and jumped on the occasion to insert your "nikon 1 is better" agenda.

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Seriously Devlin, commenting on one good aspect of a camera or system doesn't put anyone on any agenda. Nobody said "Nikon 1 is better", as no one system does everything best. Not even m4/3 is perfect. There, i said it. Can you grasp that concept of imperfection of choice ... ?

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You are of course right. Because this is the only time marike has made a negative comment about m43 and praised nikon 1.
/end sarcasm

Everyone loves a good underdog story but imho nikon 1 is just a failed project.

None said m43 is perfect but its far from compromised.

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@Marty4650 3:2 is a better fit on 16:9 than native 4:3. But DPR has mentioned the black bars shrinking the actual viewing area in past PEN reviews.

@devlin2427

The reviews conclusion about AF are misleading as they only consider bright light AF. Imagine my surprise when I tried my EPL5 in low light after reading rave reviews about how blazing fast the AF system is. But I never said anything about better just tried to give some context with a comparison to another known AF system.

It's strange that you want this thread to be one big m43 love-fest without even minor niggles or other cameras mentioned, yet you have no problem going on other popular mirrorless announcements opining about "dead systems". Wow.

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Yes the wide screen is annoying, but it is quite common in trying to provide a 'large' (read 3") screen in a compact body. Sony are guilty of it too, all of their NEX models have had 16:9 screens with black bars. The E-PM isn't so different. Is is great? Not really. I shoot in 3:2 so it is less of an issue anyway and mostly use the screen for settings and playback, instead using the VF2.

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Also while the AF is certainly slower, it isn't unusable. Problem is that the 120Hz AF system isn't goin to work so well when it can only read off the sensor much slower (due to slow refresh in low light) and considerably 'noisier' image to 'see' edges makes things very difficult. Just look at focus peaking and how all the 'noise' is in focus, that is the same system that determines focus. That said MF is readily at hand and it is usually only when the lights get really LOW.

All in all, the AF is still pretty up there. It takes a fair bit to upset it. Mariek6 have you tried it with a fast lens or just kit lenses? The more light on the sensor the easier work it makes of it.

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I am not surprised to see marike6 here too with his Nikon promotion. He was foaming at DPR in D5200 review for not giving that Nikon camera greatest thing ever since slice bread award. LOL

D5200 has the crappiest continuous AF in video (and liveview) mode. And Nikon 1 sensor is too small by today's standard. That sensor size should be relegated to fixed lens point&shoot cameras.

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I see that my favorite stalker ET2 has decided to contribute nothing as usual but personal attacks.

I've been a m43 user for years so I'm well within my right to contribute to the discussion in any way I can.

Can't DPR please do something to get this guy off my back? It's really creepy how he follows me around and flames me about the most minor things.

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"if the mere mention of another camera"

Now marike6's incessant daily propaganda for Nikon, which is equivalent to bludgeoning forum readers over the head with a three-ring binder of Nikon talking points, is "the mere mention of another camera."

marike6, read Thom Hogan's blog. He doesn't damn m43 cameras, or Nex, or whatever, with faint praise, that always terminates in another plug for Nikon products. He actually prefers and recommends other products over Nikon, as well as recommending Nikon products when appropriate. It's called being objective, and every single one of us knows you ain't it.

People might get tired of arguing with you; after all, you're not open to argument, you're just repeating the conclusion that you made beforehand--Nikon wins. But the fact that people shut up eventually does not mean that they're convinced.

I hope you get paid. If not, you should.

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P.S.

If I were dpreview, not only would I NOT get ET2 off your back, but if ET2 didn't exist, I would create him to hassle you, since I wouldn't want every single thread, for every single product, to be hijacked into a Nikon shill-fest.

Hmmmm.... <hand on chin, thinking posture>

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@bobbarber

Was only making a minor point about AF performance in bright light vs low light. If I have an EPL5 and V1, a comparison seemed appropriate. I did not know that mentioning Nikon 1 was a faux pas, but now I know.

It is funny that some m43 users here weren't so kind to excited Nikon 1 users in the 32 f/1.2 announcement with absolutely rude comments about 1" garbage and "dead system". But here, the mere mention of another brand is strictly forbidden. Yet some users have no qualms telling happy Nikon 1 users what sh*t cameras they have purchased.

I've been using m43 since GF1 days and if I can add something positive to the discussion I will. I'm always as polite as possible. Now I know to praise all m43 cameras and never bring up other brands of any kind.

As far as ET2, you don't know the situation, so mind your business and stay out of it.

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marike6

Either you have a problem with the English language, or you are extremely mean-spirited.

Nobody has a problem with people mentioning other brands. It is the incessant shilling that you do for Nikon that is the problem. I gave you an example, Thom Hogan, of someone who is a Nikon advocate, but also objectively evaluates other brands. Follow it.

Please don't portray yourself as a victim of people who don't understand how wonderful your "advice" is. I think people are saying "Enough is enough!"

If you want to be taken seriously (because you aren't, at least by me), state your case, and give other brands their due when they merit it. When you say that you are being criticized for merely mentioning a brand, when everybody on this forum knows that you are a tiresome, unfair, relentless shill for Nikon, your credibility is shot. You obviously aren't being fair, and people will interpret everything else you say in light of that.

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@bobbarber

You'll notice that my parent post got quite a few upvotes so obviously not everybody is as sensitive as you.

But I've been a m43 user since almost the beginning of the m43 consortium and have way more m43 cameras than any other type. AFAIK, you don't even use m43 so you have a lot of nerve coming on here talking about credibility or telling me what I can and cannot say!!!

Who the heck do you think you are? This is a public forum and last time I checked you were not the sheriff of m43 or the DPR front page. If others have some issue, I'm quite sure they can speak for themselves.

I don't need to be lectured by you and it's a joke that you think you have the right to do so.

And frankly the fact that you are getting all bent out of shape about cameras you don't even use is just plain weird.

I barely said anything, so just back off.

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Marike6,

I've shot G1, G2, and GH2.

I'm not lecturing you. I'm just telling you that to me you have no credibility.

The principle is simple. In any kind of persuasive argument, if you exaggerate, people question your credibility. For example, if you start an essay on recycling aluminum with, "this is the most serious problem the world faces today," since recycling aluminum ISN'T the most serious problem the world faces today, the reader questions the rest of your essay, even if it is well-supported and factual.

In your case, exaggerations like, "I merely mentioned another product" have the same effect. Out of all the dpreview forums I've been on, you're the worst case of a brand-specific shill. Do you think that saying, "I shoot m43" is some sort of camouflage?

By all means post, I encourage you, just know that you aren't being taken seriously by me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I look to people who make objective evaluations of equipment for opinions, not brand shills.

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I'm glad that you are encouraging me to post. I feel so much better.

As far as credibility, since I've used almost every m43 camera made since the GF1, I can assure you that I can discuss these cameras more intelligently than you ever could. Who you do and do not find credible, or who you think is biased on these forums doesn't concern me in the slightest.

Your self-importance is absolutely astonishing.

Stop whining about innocuous comments above and telling others what they can and cannot post, and worry about yourself. AFAIK, you are not forum moderator. And as long people are polite and respectful to others you have zero input on anything I comment on.

If you want to contribute something to the discussion and comment on your experiences with the PEN cameras feel free. What I do within the forum rules and guidelines is my business.

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marike6,

But you're wrong. You can't discuss these cameras more intelligently than I can, or at least you won't, because your only interest is in shilling Nikon products. Everybody knows this. What you say is rather limited. I could tell a four-year old that you always conclude that Nikon products are best, and the four-year old could correctly predict the point of your next post. What intelligence is there in that?

I joined in to this thread after a long series of complaints from other posters about your Nikon shilling, which seems to be the case with you quite often. That others feel the same way that I do means that it isn't self.

I've gone on about this topic at much greater length against m43 shills in the m43 forum than I have here. I'm not against Nikon, I just can't stand brand shills like yourself polluting what ideally should be a non-biased discussion of camera equipment.

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Not only is he Nikon shill but he almost always popup up in other non-Nikon threads. For example, he was all over A99 review because DPR gave it higher rating than D800

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@bobbarber

Devlin got upset because I had the nerve to compare the AF performance of two popular MILCs. Go figure.

One person? That's your "long series of complaints" as you say above.

Your long list of one person talking about trolling when he was all over the 32 f/1.2 telling Nikon 1 users what "tiny sensor" pieces of garbage they were shooting with.

Give me a break.

I post in non-Nikon threads because I'm interested in and own a variety of cameras not that I should have to explain myself to some fake, self-appointed sheriff of the DPR front page.

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/5543808958/albums#page=1

As a m43 user it's not out of the question for me to post here.

Not sure who made you the sheriff of m43 front page articles (you're not even a m43 user) but you need to back off.

Move on...

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marike6

No, I am not a sheriff. I am something like a detective in an interview, who already knows the answers to the questions he is asking. He just wants to see if the other person is truthful.

Everyone knows you're a Nikon shill, that you do not evaluate equipment objectively, but look only for opportunities to shill Nikon products. That is not at issue. What is at issue is whether or not you stop ruining every thread by looking for opportunities to promote Nikon products. If you were to do so, it would delight other posters.

Nobody is interested in your explanations of why you post, because frankly, we already know. It is to promote the products of Nikon, Inc.

I hope this helps.

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Aside from being Nikon shill, he also gets really upset if non-Nikon cameras get good reviews. Just read his comments in A99 review. He was banging his head on the walls because DPR rated it higher than D800.

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@bobbarber

Dude, nobody asked you. My comment above receive way more upvotes than any of your comments here, so stfu.

News flash: what the EPM2 costs on Ebay is not even remotely interesting or relevant. But good one.

Instead of worrying about what I'm doing, stick to cameras you use, and can speak intelligently about.

I'm sure you make wonderful contributions on the Four-Thirds Forum. Here, you've got nothing to do or say but make personal attacks on me.

If you think you and your boyfriend ET2 are going to bully me and stop me from posting about cameras I own and have been using for years you are wrong.

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Some constructive criticism:

page 3: With the addition of a pair of buttons, the E-PM1 still retains a compact camera look and feel as far as controls are concerned.
>Should say PM2

Olympus' or Olympus's? It's gotta be either one.

As for the comment on the overexposed fill-flash: How can a reviewer say that when they are choosing aperture priority and f5.6? It would be a fair comment if it were auto mode, but if you're choosing AP you should know at least the basics (or be less sloppy).

I know I'm a pain in the butt but if you're always saying your reviews take so long because they are sooo painstakinlgy thorough, why do I always find several typos, errors and not working links within the first 10 minutes of reading it?

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What, like date stamps on images for Nov 1899? Have to agree... We pedants notice this stuff.

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GeorgeZ,

When I write long complicated documents, I tend to make errors, and I don't think I'm a sloppy writer. (Maybe I am!) Anyway, I bet if you emailed a few editors at prestigious academic journals, you would find that even the brightest minds and best writers make errors. Give dpreview a break.

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Bob, I pretty well know how things are as I work as a translator myself.
It's just that when I say I take so much time for every step, I cannot understand why there are so many mistakes each and every time. If a review takes several weeks, there should be the one hour to proofread it. If they don't have the time, ask some student, they'll be happy to do it for the opportunity to be at dpr.

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George,

True enough. Sometimes all it takes is another pair of eyes. And I'm not advocating sloppiness in writing or publishing!

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Fill flash error has been fixed sorry about that. Thanks for spotting it.

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I have an E-PM2, E-PM1, E-P3, NEX-5n and EOS-M... right now, not including models I have sold off. The E-PM2 is my favourite of the bunch by far. It is cheap, it is fast, it is small, it is light, it has a great selection of lenses, it has great IQ, it makes great use of a limited number of buttons, it can take an EVF or OVF, it has good build but isn't heavy (unlike the EOS-M).

Overall it beats all those other cameras and I think is the perfect embodiment of what a mirrorless camera should be. It doesn't have the most features, but it is small and they don't limit the important stuff, like customisations, AF and fps speeds, no IQ. It fits everything that is most important into a small package.

In lots of ways it is better than the GR and Coolpix A when you have a 14mm attached.

Oh and it is WORLDS better than the E-PM1 it replaces. Easily one of the most overlooked cameras that I have had the pleasure to use - Really surprised to see a DPReview on it... Well done guys!

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Why exactly is it in "lots of ways" better than the GR? I am very curious!

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Let me give the answer. The test images of DPreview prove that especially the Raw images at high ISO are better with the E-PM2. That is amazing if you compare the difference in sensor size....!
Still I am curious what will be the other of "the lots of ways".

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The only thing that stops me from drooling over this compact camera, is flash sync speed. I quite disagree on the GR and Coolpix part though, I'd get those in a heartbeat if installed with a normal focal length lens.

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Faster AF would be one. Touch to set focus point another. Ability to take EVF would be another. Faster burst rates. Ability to change lenses - can't stick a 50mm or 90mm equiv on a GR. Price (around half the price of the GR). Option of faster lenses, stuck at Max f2.8 on the GR.

GR is awesome, but in lots of way the E-PM2 is a wholly more practical camera, if not as 'interesting'.

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Not sure the EPM2 is "better in a lot of ways". In some ways, perhaps. High ISO performance may be close, but overall the RAW Studio Scene does show the Ricoh GR and Coolpix A producing a sharper image. That they are as close as they are is good news for m43 users.

The EVF of the E-PM2 is a bit better than the GV-1 OVF mainly because of visible AF points and shooting data of the VF-2.

The grip, ergonomics and menu systems on all GR cameras are are about as good as it gets. I'd like to see future PENs have a grip more similar to the deeper GX1 grip. And the missing command dial on the PENs might not appeal to everybody (the wheel around the 4-way controller takes getting used to).

The collapsible lens on the GR is going to make it a bit more pocket friendly than even the smallest the E-PM2 / 14 2.5 combo. Price is similar which shows how aggressively Ricoh priced the GR compared to similar cameras, i.e. Sigma DP and Coolpix A.

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@ Marike6 - Well I outlined a number of them. I make the comparison as I now own an E-PM2 after recently realising how cool it actually is after dismissing it as the crappy entry model, to replace my E-P3. I had been considering whether to get a GR as well, but decided that there is little the GR offers over what the E-PM2 can do, but the E-PM2 does offer some advantages over the GR, importantly the far more useful viewfinder as well as the ability to carry say the 14mm attached and the tiny but excellent 45mm in another pocket - switching between 'street' and 'portrait' fairly quickly and easily.

As I say, the GR is still awesome and is designed for a very specific purpose - The E-PM2 is a little more a 'do-all'. Unlike previous attempts to make mirrorless cams smaller, like GF3 and 5 for example, the E-PM2 doesn't miss out on higher end features, like at all. It all comes down to the simplified ergonomics of the smaller body, which is a reasonable trade off for what you get.

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Sorry Olympus: I do like a built-in flash, even if it isn't very powerful.

If my iPhone can manage to tuck one onboard...

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I'm OK with it. your iphone's lens and sensor are too small to catch much light. you can't really compare that with a much much much larger sensor's capabilities.

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My iPhone 5 can't shoot above ISO 800 with its f2.4 lens, so it kinda needs it. My E-PM2 can comfortably shoot ISO 3200 with f1.4 lens... It doesn't need it so much.

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In previous model (PM1) unnatural video footage was complained (jelly effect) and now tihs has solved but is video still worse then previous one ?

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dpr team: can we agree whether it should be Olympus's or Olympus' and stick with it? ;)

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grammatically, both are allowed

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yes of course they are (though we are talking about punctuation, not grammar).

The point I was making was regarding consistency and 'house style'

:)

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Sorry, make that "for less" than the $400 old Leicas and new Voigtlanders go for.

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A lot of these kinds of cameras sport LCD's which may be good when they can be seen, but are basically worthless in sunlight conditions. It's possible a good accessory (included or otherwise) would be a variable finder for the hotshoe. With AF lenses it's practical. I use one on an infrared DSLR with a wide angle lens and on a Pentax Q which has an equally useless LCD. If only they could figure out how to make these finders $400.00 that old Leicas and new Voigtlanders go for.

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The E-PM2 actually sports an improved LCD for sunlight conditions. It was a *huge* difference when compared to the Sony NEX 3N. The E-PM2 at its default brightness is like the Sony NEX 3N at its brightest setting in daylight. However yes I also just bought a $100 VF-3. Previously it was a 'silver' camera to me. The VF-3 makes it gold for many reasons, the best being just turning off IBIS and getting sharp shots all the time.

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The LCD on the EPM2 is definitely visible in sunlight, but more than that, Oly makes three EVFs that work on it, ranging from about $100 (on sale) to $279. The newest one, the VF-4, is supposed to have a large viewing area and great color rendition and responsiveness....and I have one on order for my EPM2!

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Not sure what your issue is. Olympus offers THREE different accessory EVFs for their Pen cameras, offered at three different price points (VF-2, VF-3, VF-4). Pick one and use it. Simple.

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There are 4 viewfinders available from Olympus, including the 3 mentioned above plus the VF-1 optical finder for 35mm equiv lenses. There are also literally THOUSANDS of optical viewfinders available for stuff all for just about any focal length you like. Don't like any of those, how about put a viewfinder on the screen and turn that into a big EVF? Yeah really not struggling for VF options on this camera...

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Weirdly enough being the best entry level mirrorless doesn't warrant a gold award.

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I'd take an NEX-3N. It has some omissions, but they're the right ones for its target audience. It won't work with add-on flash or viewfinders, but buyers who want those don't want an entry-level model. The 3N is of similar size, but offers a bigger sensor with better low light performance, built-in flash instead of an add-on to lose, a flip-up screen for self portraits, and much smaller zoom with a more useful range. Those are features any user can appreciate. The only major advantage I can see of the Oly is the touchscreen, and it's poorly utilized. I like this little camera, but for another $100 the E-PL5 seems like a better deal.

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Not really, I had the Sony NEX 3N and its no touch screen 2.5 FPS camera with an artificial loud shutter does not compare. And no its lowlight is not in another league its very much in the same league. In fact the low light performance is mostly made up by the fact that the MFT camera's packs 16Mps of Sony Exmor goodness into 4:3 aspect ratio less prone to vignetting (or reduced transmission basically). Also the touch screen is not poorly utilized its just not 100% utilized like Canon EOS M (with terrible AF), theres a difference. I can fire off an insanely fast touch screen shutter release on a finger print resistant LCD, or I can play around with slowly moving around AF boxes of having the camera make terrible guesses for me in the Sony NEX 3N. The E-PM2 absolutely kills the Sony NEX 3N and actually the ability to buy a $100 VF-3 is killer. I will submit however that the 16-50 pancake was a shining point for the NEX 3N. Being a prime lover however, MFT wins period.

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@ MarkInSF
I shot with the NEX-5N. It is a brilliant camera with an infuriating User Interface. Every time I want to change settings, it is like I have to wrestle with the camera.

I have not shot with Olympus for > 10 years. But all Olympus cameras that I did touch were like an extension of my arm. After getting used to I could forget I had a camera and was just happily shooting pictures the way I imagined them.

So if you fancy the NEX-3 over this Oly, I strongly suggest to borrow any Sony NEX other than 6 or 7 ( different UI ) and just shoot with it for one day. If you love it. Great. If you hate it, have a look at this Oly.

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@Mark: it has the same sensor as in the omdem5, which the 3 cannot beat. it is superior in many ways. also, the sony lenses are a severe handicap for the sony cameras.

@Hubert: the digital Pens are menu-hell! you'll know for sure that you're dealing with an antiquated UI. but I don't much prefer the Sony one either. Samsung has got it right, that's for sure. Nikon confirmed it by starting to copy the menu in some of it's cameras.

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I have an E-PM2, E-PM1, E-P3, NEX-5n and EOS-M... right now, not including models I have sold off. The E-PM2 is my favourite of the bunch by far. It is cheap, it is fast, it is small, it is light, it has a great selection of lenses, it has great IQ, it makes great use of a limited number of buttons, it can take an EVF or OVF, it has good build but isn't heavy (unlike the EOS-M).

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The 3N is also a very nice entry level offering especially with the pancake zoom, but I just cannot forgive Sony for still using their second rate sensors in the cheaper cameras.

Olympus went all-in with this generation and should be commended for this.

I think aside from the EP-5, which is a bit expensive, the rest of the lineup is very well positioned.

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That just makes no sense?! Are you saying Sony's 16MP sensor is inferior? To what? The 24MP in the NEX-7? The one that is universally panned as not being as good as the 16MP? I honestly don't know what you mean?

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@Abortabort
It would have been nice to have the PDAF sensor in the 3N, Im sure thats what he is meaning.

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@Timbits - Goes to show the silly levels of hype around the OM-D and any mention of a camera having 'the OM-D sensor' is treated like it is on another plane.... At any rate, back in reality, the 3n sensor is better in every regard. End of story.

The 3n, isn't as good a camera in my opinion, owning a 5n and an E-PM2, but the sensor is definitely that bit better.

Also the UI is fine. It is incredibly DEEP in customisation, but with the SCP and a few other tweaks this would have to be one of the better interfaces I have used. The Samsung is no better, though it 'looks' a little prettier, but weak in pure customisation that you get on the Olympus. But I know nobody is allowed to say anything bad about your beloved Samsung ;) The Olympus, even the cheapest E-PM's have customisations to make a 1DX blush.

The NEX is horrible, but quick-nav on the NEX-6 is kind of a poor mans SCP. Also lacks and strong level of customisation. EOS-M is somewhere in between not great but not horrible either

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@combatmedic870 - Yeah true, sorry I was thinking about the AF system differences, but wasn't thinking about them when comparing sensors. Still, none of the Olympus' have on sensor PDAF.

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Haha, I was wondering how many pages I'd have to read through before I'd get to one whinging about awards...

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The criticism regarding fill flash on page 4 is a result of user error. The camera was set at aperture priority at f5.6 and flash sync is 1/250. So by forcing flash, the camera was stuck at too slow a shutter speed for the bright sun, the actual flash metering and output had almost nothing to do with it.

If the reviewer had picked f11, the result would likely have been much better.

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Not for everyone, but a great little camera. I love the lightning fast touch AF point select/Focus/shutter feature. Even indoors all you do is tap on the screen where you want the focus, and it instantly snaps a pic. There are other mirrorless systems that despite the hype are painfully slow to focus indoors and never seem to get the focus correct.

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I read so many complaints here about testing, articles, phrases used... et cetera. Hey, this website is absolutely free and not too spammy with commercials and also in my eyes quite objective.

DPR is not claiming to be the holy grail in product testing but they do a lot of effort to deliver a very valuable outcome. I won't complain about this free offer. If they are not good enough you can go somewhere else. The market will regulate itself if there are better alternatives (which I doubt there is at the moment).

Personally I read DPR just for fun and to see what's new out there or to get an indication if a certain type of gear is complete waste of money or not.

I find this review very helpful and it is in line with my own experience of the E-PL5.

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Well put. Even if one does not like the conclusions, DPR offers a lot of information on the camera and everyone is welcome to make their own.

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Fully agreed. My only complaint with DPR may be that it might kill printed photography magazines.

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One of the features that I liked about the original Pens was the option to set different aspect ratios, 1:1 being my favorite. I haven't seen those additional ratios listed in the specs in the new Pens. Do the new noes not have that ability anymore?

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They are there

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Thanks. Good to know.

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I'd like to see the in body stabilization system properly tested. We know it is not as good as the omd 5 axis ibis, but not how much worse (or less good) it is. PS - sorry for my English.

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"The E-PM2 and E-PL5 borrow the Olympus OM-D E-M5's proven 16MP CMOS sensor, a class-leader in image quality"
What class is that? m4/3? That's a class of two. EVIL/mirrorless? It is better than Fuji and NEX?

Why this review reads like company press release with the overuse of hyperboles?

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Dpreview writers have a tendency to parrot phrases from press releases. Yesterday they said that flickr's website was "all new" after its recent tweaks. Having said that, the OM-D's sensor is highly regarded.

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Class leader in m4/3 class ;)

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@Peiasdf:
Micro Four Thirds clearly is a class. There are several camera makers adopting this sensor size and there is an abundance of lenses, even with cross vendor compatibility! I wish such thing would be available in APSC

If you must write a negative comment, then at least back it up with proper research. It is not pleasant to wade through lots of comments of ranting with no proper foundation.

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Well it is also ahead of the sensor in the Pentax Q, GXR M-Mount module, EOS-M and Nikon 1's (all of them) and Panasonic's own sensors used in all Panny's other than the GH3 as well as some of Samsung's NX series. That is leading a pretty big pack! Even if the NEX and Fuji do marginally beat it. It is a leader, if not THE leader.

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@HubertChen
All Olympus camera use the same SONY 16mp sensor. All Panasonic cameras use the same Panasonic 16mp sensor with the exception of GH3 and G6 but all perform similarly. Blackmagic is a video camera so I did not count it.

Consider we are only talking about sensor, it is "class-leading" if you limit the class.

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Why do you review this before the E-PL5 which is clearly a much better camera???

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This review was effectively a training exercise for a new writer (one where there would have been less risk had it taken more time than expected, etc.). We'll be doing the E-PL5/6 in-house.

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I wouldn't say the EPL5 is a much better camera. It is just a different camera. They are designed for different shooters.

Each of them is an outstanding choice in it's class.

If I needed a new compact camera, I'd take a Pen Mini over ANY high end compact.... Sony RX100 included.

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By clearly better you mean it has phsyical mode dial, tilt LCD + re-programmable mysets to the mode dial. There I just finished the EPL5 review for you guys!

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Exactly, which is why it makes no sense for them to review the inferior camera first. By the way it also has a removable grip and a dedicated FN button, something anyone who's actually smart enough to own one would know.

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Smart? Don't you really mean neurotic?

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You do realize the EPM2 has a dedicated FN button also....and there is enough button programmability to set it up just about any way you want. (I have the FN button set to AE lock, and the down position on the control dial to ISO, and have, as a result, everything I need just a quick button press away).
I tried the EPL5 first, and did not like how it sat in my hand at all. The flippy screen led to some cramped holding for me, and the EPM2 works much better in that regard. Since I plan to get the viewfinder, a flip screen is not particularly important for me anyway, and I don't find the lack of mode dial a big deal since I spend most of my time in Aperture priority anyway. It's a great little camera!

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I'm with jalywol! The E-PM2 is smaller yet better to hold than the E-PL5 due to not having the flip screen. I also use mine with an EVF so it make little difference, other than the size advantage. Olympus have ruined their cameras before with flippy screens, all except the E-P5 would have been better without them.

Mode dial is a button press away at all times. I use two modes on a camera like this Aperture priority and Manual.

The E-PL5 has one additional button which I might find useful, but not a couple $$$ more useful (the price difference here in Australia - other markets will be different).

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The E-PL5 is a much uglier camera.

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Cons: "OM-D image quality in smaller, lighter, cheaper body"
I think this is the biggest of pros of this camera ;)

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Agreed. That comment makes no sense. Saving $500 for OM-D image quality is a con? DPR, you may want to move that to the 'Pros' column.

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It was a mistake - we temporarily took a trip to opposite world there. Fixed now.

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HI Barney, thank you for your patient handling of all us high-maintenance trolls down here in Commentistan :)

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"trolls" isn't the the right word here.

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> Photographers with larger hands may also find the ergonomics
> of the E-PL5 a better fit than the decidedly 'Mini' E-PM2

Hm. Camerasize shows they are practically identical in size:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#387,382

If you look at the back, I can't see what E-PL5 offers that is more ergonomic to people with large hands (and I am interested because I do have large hands).

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There's not much in it (as we point out) but the LCD display adds more bulk to the E-PL5 which makes the camera feel a bit chunkier. Just what we found, feel free to disagree.

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Thanks, Barney. I do not disagree, just curious, since I held neither camera.

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You can mount optional large grip (MCG-2) on E-PL5. I disagree that "there isn't much in it" because the large grip significantly improves ergonomics and it only costs $19.

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If it costs only $19, why do they not give it with the camera in the kit, at the price the PL5 costs.....

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I have the MCG-2 mounted on my E-P3. I was unable to buy one for less that USD $50. Quite a lot of money for a small piece of plastic and rubber. The grip certainly improves handling, but (like many Olympus accessories, including their "optional" lens hoods) it is an enormous ripoff.

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I found the "chunkier" aspect of the EPL5 a lot LESS comfortable than the slimmer, more spartan EPM2, and ended up with the EPM2 as a result...you really have to try both to see what works for you.

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