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Adobe issues Camera Raw v8.1 and DNG Converter 'release candidates'

By dpreview staff on May 16, 2013 at 01:08 GMT

Adobe has issued a 'release candidates' of Adobe Camera Raw 8.1 and DNG Converter 8.1 on its Adobe Labs site. The release is the first version of ACR designed to work with Photoshop CC but, as promised, is also compatible with Photoshop CS6. CS6 users will only gain camera compatibility, not any of the functions added in ACR 8 (and Lightroom 5), such as the perspective-correcting 'Upright' tool or the advanced healing brush. The latest version brings support for 7 additional cameras along with 16 lens profiles.

As always, Adobe's 'Release Candidate' badge indicates that the support is well tested but could benefit from additional input from users before it is formally released.

New Camera Support in the Camera Raw 8.1 Release Candidate

  • Hasselblad H5D-60
  • Olympus PEN E-P5
  • Olympus PEN E-PL6
  • Phase One IQ260*
  • Pentax Ricoh GR
  • Panasonic LUMIX DMC-G6
  • Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LF1

* denotes preliminary support

Comments

Total comments: 71
inorogNL
By inorogNL (10 months ago)

how do I download it from this link?

0 upvotes
HenriCartierShuffleBottom
By HenriCartierShuffleBottom (10 months ago)

If you subscribe to Adobe CC you are either a professional offing the cost to the customer or a MUG.

If you want to see the REAL Adobe look at the ACR (RAW) 8.1 which is limited for Retail Disk CS6 owners and this software is STILL being sold!!!!!

How mean and unprofessional is that?

As soon as you are 'locked-in; to Creative Cloud Adobe will have you at their mercy? Can you afford to reject their frequent monthly price rises? Get CS6 on disk now and forget the Mickey Mouse improvements.

Be Smart!

0 upvotes
guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (11 months ago)

So it misses out on perspective control? if you need it, don't worry, Shift-N is free and does an excellent job. Works in an instant, simply press Auto Adjust, or for more control settings can be adjusted.

1 upvote
andrewD2
By andrewD2 (11 months ago)

As a good will gesture and in consideration for...
1) those that were not expecting to be buying into a dead end product and have spent a lot of money on upgrades on the understanding that there would be a future CS7, 8, 9
2) those that were misled by the "only upgrade on version ahead" policy that was introduced, then modified then made redundant.
...it would be nice if we could get the full ACR8 versions in CS6. Call it a parting gift so those that feel cheated get that as a sweetner. Maybe then we will see if you hold you promise about Lightroom and buy into that down the road when it isn't quite so slow compared to ACR.
As it is I won't buy anything by Adobe.

2 upvotes
Robert Deutsch
By Robert Deutsch (11 months ago)

Would it be correct to say that for CS6 users there's no advantage in upgrading to ACR 8.1 unless you have a new camera that is not supported by ACR? I realize that the new features are missing, but are there improvemens in existing features? Specifically, does ACR 8.1-for-CS6-users include the improved Smart Sharpen?

0 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

ACR has it's own sharpening. The improved smart sharpen is a filter inside photoshop--aka, something completely different.

In short: no.

0 upvotes
JayFromSA
By JayFromSA (11 months ago)

Adobe take note, our photo's are very important to us. Very. And that's no small thing. Not to us.

Our software is not... it's expendable. If there is a risk that we cannot see/process/print our photo's because of you, you will lose us. And our wallets.

We'll see how this plays out.

10 upvotes
Michael de Ruijter
By Michael de Ruijter (11 months ago)

I really hope a company with integrity toward its customer base advances and becomes a powerhouse. I despise being treated like an ATM.

23 upvotes
Val Yang
By Val Yang (11 months ago)

So with ACR 8.1, LR5 no longer displays an 'error' message when jumping (editing) a LR image in PS CS6, good news.
But, the new ACR 8.1 is CRIPPLED for CS6 users as it DOES NOT include the new ACR 8 features. Thank you Adobe.
Now I am 'Re-Thinking' my Workflow:
Import NEF's using Nikon Transfer 2,
Photo Mechanic to make my selects,
Nikon Capture NX2 to convert to TIF's [which I have been doing for selected images, similar to Vincent Versace], and
Perfect Photo Suite 7 to complete my Post work.
It will be hard and will take some time to get used to this method, but who said Divorce was gonna be easy.
Good-Bye Adobe.
.

10 upvotes
Balooziggy
By Balooziggy (11 months ago)

Well what do you know? raping the people that helped make them who they are, now that is business savvy right? I hope Adobe get what they deserve, a complete desertion of all existing clients, maybe then they will get the message!

22 upvotes
scokill
By scokill (11 months ago)

Call the wambulance....

1 upvote
Fritz Byle
By Fritz Byle (11 months ago)

Yep, here we go. CS6 perpetual licensees get the shaft. Thanks Adobe, for treating owners of your *current version* flagship software as second-class citizens.
I have, over the years, been an unflagging supporter of how Adobe has conducted their customer support. No more.

22 upvotes
morningdew
By morningdew (11 months ago)

Boycott Adobe! They think nothing of their once loyal customer base and are trying to make obscene profits with their "Creative Cloud Subsription only extortion scheme. If enough photographers refuse to buy the monthly subscription for Photoshop, they will ultimately see the stupidity of their greed. The Wall Street 1% fever seems to have spread to Adobe - shame on those fools.

25 upvotes
rwl408
By rwl408 (11 months ago)

Greedy Adobe!
Adobe used the tactic to force users upgrade by not adding new camera support to older versions of ACR, saying something along the line that it couldn't be done. Now ACR8.1, which works backward with CS6, proves Adobe has been lying all along.

20 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Who knows perhaps there was some change that made it impossible for ACR 6 to work with say CS4. So the lying accusation is a bit extreme.

Adobe could solve some of this ill will by simply selling ACR as a standalone perpetual license, same with Bridge.

1 upvote
dennis paterson
By dennis paterson (11 months ago)

Excellent suggestion!!
I am happy with my CS5 /LR4 functionality and would appreciate ACR being separately licensed.
I am thinking perhaps $50/yr is fair to cover the development and support costs.

0 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (11 months ago)

15000+ signatures on the Anti-Adobe CC petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

Not sure how many it will take or whether their heads are so buried in the sand we will have to wait till the accountants point out their error.

12 upvotes
SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (11 months ago)

15 k signatures at $200 (per Upgrade) = 3 Mill....
15 k Signatures at $200 (PS upgrades + 80 LR upgrades) = 4.2 Million
Not enough.... they may pay attention once reaches 100 million

8 upvotes
fuego6
By fuego6 (11 months ago)

^^^^ GOOD POINT

2 upvotes
Rage Joe
By Rage Joe (11 months ago)

When the trust is gone

"15 k signatures at $200 (per Upgrade) = 3 Mill....
15 k Signatures at $200 (PS upgrades + 80 LR upgrades) = 4.2 Million
Not enough.... they may pay attention once reaches 100 million"

Yeah but 15 k signatures may well mean well over 150 k pi***d off customers, who are calling it the quits.
150 k customers at $200 (per Upgrade) = 30 million
and what if it is already 1500 k pi****d customers who are voting just with their wallets? 300 million. And there might well be more.

And what if this all really drives down the reputation of the company's all software, when the trust is gone it is gone.

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2 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (11 months ago)

Nearly at 20,000 now..

0 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

32,000 now.

0 upvotes
SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (11 months ago)

Has anyone tried OnOne Software Perfect Photo Suite

http://www.ononesoftware.com/products/suite7/?utm_campaign=ltr_0513&utm_source=ltr_0513&utm_medium=email

Seems to me that if I process my RAWs in LR or even DPP, save them as TIFF, then I could take them to Perfect Photo Suite and do 95% of what I normally do in PS.

I have used their free Photo Effects and they are truly awesome as they support Layers and Masks... I also like the fact that it can run as a stand alone app and does not require PS or LR.

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1 upvote
fuego6
By fuego6 (11 months ago)

tried it - don't like their marketing message.. too low brow for me!

1 upvote
Val Yang
By Val Yang (11 months ago)

Re-Thinking my Workflow. Import NEF's using Nikon Transfer 2, Photo Mechanic to make my selects, Nikon Capture NX2 to convert to TIF's, and Perfect Photo 7 to complete my Post work. It will be hard and will take some time to get used to this method, but who said Divorce was gonna be easy. Good-Bye Adobe ...

0 upvotes
jmkoh
By jmkoh (11 months ago)

I have it and like it. It's more for enhancing images like contrast, bringing out detail, sharpening, converting to BW. I've made some presets and they have some HDR presets and different looks you can try. They have good tutorials, but not really for compositing like photoshop is.

1 upvote
jeanmichd
By jeanmichd (11 months ago)

Same here Gabiphoto, I will give PaintShopPro a try and will see....
I already tried an old version a while ago just because I was curious...
At that time it was just for the fun, but today it's another story and I guess (hope) they improved the "sluggish" (and yes it was) software in the meantime.
I'm pretty sure Corel is very happy about what Adobe did.
Of course most professionals need Photoshop but for all other enthusiasts, PaintShopPro is may be a not so bad alternative...

3 upvotes
SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (11 months ago)

Functionally speaking, PSP is very good! not PS, but more than enough, I installed it on a Win 7 64 bit and seemed sluggish some times. I believe is due to the fact that it is a 32 bit app, but I may be wrong. I hope Corel ports it to 64 bit ASAP...

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

Oh great, not, Adobe has switched from ACR 7 to ACR 8 so that means these idiots will stop support for ACR 8 (in PhotoShop CS6) in probably less than 12 months.

Way to anger more people Adobe.

And another reason to look for serious raw extraction alternatives, like CaptureOne.

9 upvotes
smafdy
By smafdy (11 months ago)

The value of good will in the overall valuation of a company has always been somewhat etherial — its share of the whole is up to the individual to assess.

I have a feeling that Adobe will soon find the absolute value of good will in the overall scheme of things.

I think they underweighted it.

New Coke, anyone?

1 upvote
Central Fla
By Central Fla (11 months ago)

It angers me how adobe toys with it's customers, giving tether to lightroom but not the 700 dollar CS6. It holds abilities from one so another will be purchased. Adobe has become an enemy. I hope their corporate greed ends in bankruptcy.

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22 upvotes
Nikonworks
By Nikonworks (11 months ago)

This has no meaning for me as a professional photographer.

Adios Adobe.

26 upvotes
gabiphoto
By gabiphoto (11 months ago)

I think I'll give Corel Paint Shop Pro X5 Ultimate a try !

1 upvote
elvedhel
By elvedhel (11 months ago)

ahhh thank heavens for warez sites..oops did i say that aloud :P

4 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (11 months ago)

Ah. The if you can't afford it steal it school of thought.

3 upvotes
EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (11 months ago)

well if you cant afford it then theyre not losing a sale. its only when you can afford it that it matters ;)

8 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (11 months ago)

The usual sad argument of people who use priated (ie stolen) software.

Would you be happy with the same argument if someone used your images without paying you?

3 upvotes
antares103
By antares103 (11 months ago)

And this is why creative loud exists.

2 upvotes
QuarterToDoom
By QuarterToDoom (11 months ago)

>
By BaldCol (7 hours ago)
The usual sad argument of people who use priated (ie stolen) software. Would you be happy with the same argument if someone used your images without paying you?

Funny that with out piracy Adobe and MS wouldn't not be in their monopoly position right now.

Every time someone who never would have bought the software uses it and talks about it its free advertizing.

And yes if people don't use my photos to make money off them I wouldn't care. Personally I'd put in water marks and happily offer low rez images. For every image that shows my water mark its free advertising.

Now pirating and selling their software to make money is different then pirating because you would have never bought it in the first place.

2 upvotes
Thatcannonguy
By Thatcannonguy (11 months ago)

Software is not stolen because the thief does not own the software after the theft. Adobe's own logic !

0 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (11 months ago)

QuarterToDoom

"Every time someone who never would have bought the software uses it and talks about it its free advertizing."

Yes and then that person goes to the same site where their friend illegally downloaded it from in the first place so still no sale.

0 upvotes
Robert F. Tobler
By Robert F. Tobler (11 months ago)

Still no Sigma SD1/DPx Merrill support. Grrrrr.

2 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

This is professional software, for professional grade cameras. Today that means "anything with a Bayer pattern sensor".

0 upvotes
Paul_o
By Paul_o (11 months ago)

I've now purchased a DP2M. Image quality is compatible with my Canon 5DII - making the Sigma more 'professional grade' than most of the cameras that ACR supports.

1 upvote
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

Compatible? Do you mean "comparable"?

If you were trying to say "comparable", do you actually mean at parity? No, the DP2M is NOT at parity for usability or image quality. Especially not when you crank the ISO. And especially not when you need more than one focal length.

The DP2 is a point and shoot while the 5Dmkii is a DSLR. They aren't any more comparable than apples and oranges.

0 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (11 months ago)

Beware that the BETA will STOP working overtime.

Do NOT install this version UNLESS you want to be LOCKED in by Adobes Cash Cow

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15 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

Not true. The beta will work indefinitely, but it will add a nag screen at expiration. That can slow down some people's workflow, but it's not a complete show stopper.

0 upvotes
RobertSigmund
By RobertSigmund (11 months ago)

Adobe, you are so clever.

Indeed - too clever.

Yes, one can be too clever. So clever that it is dumb!

0 upvotes
tornwald
By tornwald (11 months ago)

What's an Adobe?

7 upvotes
Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (11 months ago)

a turn to the wrong side with full speed.

5 upvotes
gsum
By gsum (11 months ago)

According to the dictionary, it's a wet heavy clay soil that sucks you in and is almost devoid of nutrients.

13 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (11 months ago)

Our agency upgraded last October to several Creative Suites CS6 and paid thousands of Euros. Now we can't upgrade camera RAW? Just fu.. camera addings for us?
Adobe you are a f..joke and I hope you fail. You deserve the Kodak moment!
I guess you get flamethrowered at Facebook again today. I'm glad we ordered Capture One.

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15 upvotes
Hobbit13
By Hobbit13 (11 months ago)

This update works perfectly for CS6. You won't get the CS7 features in CS6. The only change is that CS7 is now subscription based. But when CS7 was a normal version, you still wouldn't get those features in CS6!

3 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (11 months ago)

That's no excuse! How many updates did we get through a CS 1-5 lifecycle? Many and a lot of good things. How many updates did we get through the CS6 lifecycle? Minor stuff which was unimprtant anyway. They were waiting until the CC-thingy was on air and then you only get the sweet candy just with the subscription model. Yeah right!

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ksgant
By ksgant (11 months ago)

Um...CS6 is getting near the end of it's lifecycle and even if Creative Cloud didn't exist, you wouldn't get any major updates until CS7...just like when you went from CS1 to CS2, or CS2 to CS3 etc. There were only a few updates in between the paid updates on all those versions just as it was for CS5 to CS6 and now with CS6.

And good luck with Capture One. You DO realize that Capture One is mostly a replacement for just Lightroom/Camera Raw, yes? It's not a Photoshop replacement. There IS no Photoshop replacement. I know that's a bitter pill to swallow.

Also, if this is your agency that's doing the upgrades then it shouldn't be a huge problem. It's just the cost of doing business. If you're a hobbiest or amateur, I can see this being hard financially on you. But for a business it goes to just a monthly expense like anything else like electricity and rent. This shouldn't be a problem. Also, if Adobe fails and becomes another Kodak, how will your agency fair? What will you use then?

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

ksgant:

Sure CaptureOne looks promising as a non-subscription raw converter. For those who own the PhotoShop C6 license it's not like PhotoShop C6 or Bridge is going to stop working. One won't have the absolute latest features, who cares, and so raws won't display in Bridge. For those with newer cameras (new May 2014) that's a bit of a problem.

Now some problems with your other assertion:

I may buy my electricity on a monthly basis, given that I use more in the summer, but I don't buy the air conditioner or fridge on a monthly basis and if I were to take the AC unit to a different house with electricity then the machine would work.

So this whole "it's just like the electric bill" is offensive and deeply in accurate. It's not even like the cable bill, after all in that case the TV still works and I can watch DVDs or broadcast on it. Adobe CC is like subscribing to something that's cable only like HBO.

Adobe sure has motivated the creation and search for an Photoshop replacement.

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ksgant
By ksgant (11 months ago)

My assertion that it's a monthly bill is aimed for professionals. For me it's a simple matter of transferring it as a business expense at the end of the year for taxes. Seriously, it's not even a blip on the radar in the cost of me doing business. I certainly didn't mean to "offend" you in any way and I thought I was being clear about the difference between business use and personal use and was mainly addressing Lea5 as he was saying it was for his agency.

As I said, if you're simply using Photoshop for personal use, this obviously wouldn't work out for you or justify making that monthly expense. They'll need to rethink how people that only occasionally need Photoshop to use it. In the end, the way they used to do their business model of just selling packaged software is probably the best way to go for everyone. Use it everyday or stick it in a drawer and use it once a month both would be covered....just like it used to be.

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5 upvotes
Lea5
By Lea5 (11 months ago)

I talked about Camera RAW not Photoshop, so Capture One is a great alternative. I used it for our MF digital backs, switched in 2007 to Lightroom and we will start to use Capture One 7 again.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (11 months ago)

ksgant:

This also raises the cost of doing business, writing the cost of your taxes is not the same as a tax credit. Also this stupidity means that the computers running the software at the business have to have a web connection.

0 upvotes
appelpix1
By appelpix1 (11 months ago)

Sadly I have to agree...
Been working with Photoshop since 1995, the version then was 3,5.
This latest move by Adobe is very sad, it means I will not be able to upgrade Camera Raw in my recently bought CS6.
If Adobe can turn their back on me, then I will feel free to look elsewhere!

3 upvotes
mwgnz
By mwgnz (11 months ago)

Adobe? We'll each make our own choices - but as for me, I can't be bothered with them any more. ACR, PS, LR, DNG Converter - they've been my mainstay for 15 years plus. But I just don't trust Adobe anymore - no matter what soothing noises they are now making. So I've already identified and put in place alternatives in my workflow. No hard feelings - and thanks for the memories anyway.

10 upvotes
JDSA
By JDSA (11 months ago)

I know what you guys mean. I used to be the first to jump on a new Photoshop. I mainly use Camera Raw so any enhancements there are a big deal to me.

Suddenly it's not such a big deal anymore. Instead of planning on an immediate PS upgrade for Mac and a later one for Windows I'm counting on not spending my money.

15 upvotes
CBuff
By CBuff (11 months ago)

Ado-who?? Dn-what? Yawn....

3 upvotes
mcshan
By mcshan (11 months ago)

Pass.

3 upvotes
garyknrd
By garyknrd (11 months ago)

Who cares. I urge users to look elsewhere. I am, and have found support from others. I predict DXo and others to fill the gap extremely fast.

16 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

The people who make a living using this software.

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6 upvotes
chlamchowder
By chlamchowder (11 months ago)

The people who make a living using this software...should start investigating whether they can make a living off other options.
(in other words, looking at products that don't go into time-bomb mode once you lose your internet connection)

24 upvotes
Archer66
By Archer66 (11 months ago)

@chlamchowder
Why ? Just bc YOU don't like Adobe ???

2 upvotes
M Jesper
By M Jesper (11 months ago)

Yeah its JUST him, have you not been on dp for a while ?

6 upvotes
Archer66
By Archer66 (11 months ago)

Does not matter if it's just him or million others, they don't know what others should do. I'm sure companies are calculating what kind of ROI they get staying with Adobe or switching to something else.

3 upvotes
micahmedia
By micahmedia (11 months ago)

Oh, I don't disagree, and I'm looking at other options. But that no-one cares is disingenuous.

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