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Sony RX1 wins Camera Grand Prix 2013, Sigma 35mm F1.4 lens of the year

May 15, 2013 at 18:32:47 GMT

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Sony's RX1 fixed 35mm full frame compact has received the prestigious Camera Grand Prix 2013 title, while Sigma's 35mm F1.4 DG HSM was named lens of the year. The awards, organized by the Japanese Camera Journal Press Club have a history of recognizing what prove to be historically significant cameras. Meanwhile, the Editors Awards were given to the Canon EOS 6D and Sigma's DP Merrill series of compacts.

Click here to read our Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 review

We felt similarly positive about the Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 and the 35mm F1.4 DG HSM and awarded both our Gold Award when we reviewed them.

Click here to read our Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM review

The main awards, established in 1984, are selected by a 57-member panel made up from the Camera Journal Press Club (CJPS), along with a selection of editors and experts from around the world. The Editors Awards, meanwhile, are decided between the council members of the CJPS. The Editors Awards also have a tradition of identifying significant products, including Adobe's Lightroom and the Panasonic DMC-G1 (the first mirrorless interchangeable lens camera), rather than just high-end heavyweight cameras.

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See the TIPA 2013 awards
http://www.tipa.com/english/XXIII_tipa_awards_2013.php

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"and awarded both our Gold Award when we reviewed them"

That's an easy hit when you hand our gold awards like you hand out cookies.

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It's Camera GP "Japan" done by Japanese Camera Journal Press Club. I heard that all compact cameras (include camera equipped smart phones) sold in Japan are regulated have audible shutter sound otherwise illegal to sell, RX1 is one of the few exception and this is reason why it's selling relatively well in Japan despite steep price point, and thus the award is given.

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wow! that sounds like Einteinian logic! rotfl

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I haven't seen anywhere where this is "required" by compact cameras, only on camera phones. Most compact cameras have an electronic shutter or shutter so small it makes almost no noise, making it hard to hear by most that a picture took. South Korea has a law requiring this. Japan, I am not sure if it is a law or more a "Gentleman's agreement". It has to do with privacy and the growing concern of pervs taking pictures of others unnoticed.

The RX-1 uses a leaf shutter, which is different than most other cameras. It is usually quieter than the curtain shutter you might be used to, also making a different type of sound. But I don't think the RX1 was excluded from making a noise by skirting around laws since the laws are more for camera phones.

It is more than likely the RX1 caters to a group of users that don't want a fake shutter sound. As small as the RX1 is, I have a hard time seeing how someone can take an up-skirt shot of some passerby with it and go completely unnoticed.

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never thought about the perv aspect of this regulation, but why so many pervs in the region? (those countries are next to each other)

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"Meanwhile, the Editors Awards were given to the Canon EOS 6D and Sigma's DP Merrill series of compacts."

Yeps SIGMA DP MERILL series of compacts are for connaisseurs only. Only people that question find answers and see the light. DP Review is for main stream photography and supported by an industry that is interested in making money on it's public, not to get you into question the motives of this Industry....!

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The DP Merrill is an abomination lacking the proper theology and geometry, taste and decency.

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basically you are here telling us that a nigh unusable camera is somehow more fit for photography than any other "pedestrian camera"?

No thanks. You keep you DP Merrill. It takes great photos for what it does but it also lacks A LOT. There are other things that are just as important than outright IQ.

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Well deserved. All things considered, the RX1 is the best camera I ever owned or used.

Though as with all version 1 implementations there are a few bugs; most especially the panorama sweep is awful and unusable (surprising since the NEX panorama is nearly flawless).

Most of the derisive comments in this forum are incorrect or poorly thought out. Complaints that there is no built in EVF fail to consider exactly where it could be located without bulking up the body or shrinking the display screen. The howling over the reasonable price is empty noise; try to assemble a Nikon/Canon DSLR of equivalent quality (lens and sensor) without exceeding that price, then measure and weigh that alternative.

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They sell it for that price because they can.

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Right. Has nothing to do with the ff sensor and custom built lens. No relation at all. They could have sold it for the same price as the fujix100s, but they're just too goofy to realize it.
Rotflmao

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Why would they sell it for the same price as the Fuji when they can sell it for more?

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I'm probably just blind, but shouldn't there have been a link to the source?
I find it also newsworthy that the Nikon D800e has been awarded the Readers Choice Award.
For those interested; the link to the source:
http://www.cjpc.jp/gra/2013/grandprix13J.html
And for those always enjoying a little bit of garbled english, the google translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?act=url&ie=UTF8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.cjpc.jp/gra/2013/grandprix13J.html

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The Sigma has bokeh issues. For a 50mm (equiv) lens, that's simply inexcusable. And the Dpreview article has, as usual, inadequate bokeh testing and sample pics.

For some kinds of photography, bokeh is a deal-breaker. Come on Dpreview, wake up and get some advice from someone who understands this issue.

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Sigma 35mm f/1.4 is a 35mm equivalent 35mm lens...

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Not on APS-C. Must I really be spelling that out on dpreview?

Or perhaps this is an example of a fullframer reaching "less than fullframe does not exist" nirvana.

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so, you're saying you don't like bokeh.
interesting.

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It is a 135 format lens, why should I care if somebody wants to put it on a lesser format camera without specifying the sensor size?

I does not have any bokeh issues. Bokeh has become some kind of photophile catchword because it can not be measured or quantified. So photophiles have something to talk and argue about when real performance can be exactly measured.

And yes, I have one. An amazingly sharp and faultless lens, only equalled by Fujinon XF 35mm f/1.4 (for APS-C sensors, givin "normal" angle).

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Bokeh can certainly be measured and quantified. Look up circles of confusion +bokeh if you are unsure on this point.

The dpreview review mentions that it has bokeh issues.

"It is a 135 format lens, why should I care if somebody wants to put it on a lesser format camera without specifying the sensor size?"

You are evidently living in a 35mm bubble. Outside of it you will find that most DSLR owners are APS-C and this lens is for them a normal lens.

"And yes, I have one. An amazingly sharp and faultless lens, only equalled by Fujinon XF 35mm f/1.4 (for APS-C sensors, givin "normal" angle)."

Sure, but the Fuji does not have any bokeh issues.

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Lengthy discussions about bokeh are a sure sign of poseurs on the net again.

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The test results on Imaging Resource for the Olympus 75mm 1.8
are extraordinary. No lens today can match it. In fact the 17mm 1.8
is equal or slightly better in all parameters to the Sigma 35mm 1.4.
The Sigma was probably chosen because it is the first decent full
frame lens for digital cameras. Test results for the Leica M9-P
and also for the Summilux 50mm 1.4 on Imaging resource are
an embarrassment. So much for the vaunted Leica myth of the
finest lenses and cameras in the world. At this point in time,
Olympus leads all in lens development followed closely by Fuji
and Nikon for the Nikon 1 system.

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Too bad Olympus is stuck with a small (relatively) sensor.

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there aren't that many very fast 35mm lenses around.
what you mention is in a different category.

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I can't really understand why the RX1 would win that prize. The whole idea, someone finally releases a FF mirrorless (no, not Leica) camera...and you can't change the lens. Why, why, WHY???! Sony blew a tremendous chance to get one up on Nikon and Canon and instead invented an expensive curiosity.

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One step at a time...

I see the RX1 almost as a prototype, to be honest, and applaud Sony very much for making it happen.

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exactly, one step at a time. If youre expecting a pocketable 5dMkIII or D800 then youre jumping the gun a bit. Shame they didnt put a bit of a zoom in there but its an impressive first step, 2014 is going to be an interesting year.

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I tried several times the RX-1 and I know why it won that prize : )

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I will never buy an RX1 EVER. But I tried it out and was amazed at the sheer compactness of the darn FF camera. The IQ was superb and frankly I can see that it was an extraordinary feat for Sony to come up with such a small compact FF camera.

Sure I would have loved for it to be an ILC but I am sure Sony had some reason for not launching such a camera.

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with the massive investments in plants and tooling, not to mention marketing expenditures, what do you think an IL rx1 would have done to Sony? they're not ready yet. need time to transition.

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Love that lens!

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If DPR had ANY shame, the would have a Sigma DP Merrill series review.

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Honestly...

would you want to have this camera, if it were given to you as a gift?

That is called, The Desirability Test.

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If I have to keep the gift, I will take RX1 over anything in the market today

If I am allowed to sell the gift, I will ask for 1Dc and sell it and pocket the money

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given as a gift and i have to use it, a bigl yes. why would i refuse it, unless I'm contented with the IQ from a smartphone and with instant sharing.

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I would rather have a $(2800+tax) gift certificate to buy other cameras.

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YES!!, Yessss!

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great point btw, and very true

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Don't forget ,
Beste CSC Expert Lens: Sony E-mount 10-18mm f/4 OSS.

The Sony 10-18mm zoom lens offers a constant aperture of f/4 throughout its entire range, an equivalent focal length of 15-27mm. This lightweight (8 oz, 225 gms) lens is constructed of 10 elements in 8 groups and contains 3 aspherical elements and an optical system with Super Extra-low dispersion glass for near elimination of chromatic aberrations, even at the widest focal length setting. Optical Steady Shot image stabilization adds significant versatility to this lens and maximizes its impressive performance when shooting both stills and video, even in low light situations. An internal focusing system and circular shutter blades round out the impressive specifications.

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and for you, this is an exceptional achievement at f4?

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This reward means NOTHING, why? They are giving the awards for the year 2013 with many months left of the year. Many months of possible new cameras and lenses coming out or being made they dont even know about yet until a company reveals it, apparently this prize is just like the nobel peace prize, you can buy it for the right amount. Obama proved that with the nobel peace prize and sony proves it here as well. The year is not even half way through!

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Right. I nominate the Panasonic FZ250, the Sony RX200, and the Leica M10. Hope it's not too late?

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Well, one thing we do know, Canon will not be releasing any camera body worthy of any award in 2013.

Maybe for lenses, Canon can get the award for longest pre-pre-announcement for the 200-400 f/4 IS 1.4

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it just refers to the time of the year it is given.
no matter what date you make it, some cameras will be cut off.
at least this way, people still have time to buy the award products before they are discontinued. I can see the logic behind it.

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Might this mean that DPR will wake up a bit and perhaps attempt a review of a Merrill compact?

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That'd be a sad day.

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@rallyfan you have a point, from a Sigma fan here. As a non-Merrill owner, I couldn't believe the Merrill's have less battery life and camera/SPP performance compared to the previous generation.
Yes, it does have plenty of resolution but not many value it. I value image quality, but resolution is only 20% to 40% of image quality.

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yeeees!!
chap over at luminous landscape said the problem with the merril 3 was it was too sharp, he often de-sharpened the images!! Too sharp for most folks as well.

Quite simply the merills image quality is the best there is.

usability sucks sure.

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When you buy a DP series camera you are getting a premium lens besides the sensor.

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Which one? The crazy line makes you buy a camera per focal length!!

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they're ugly as hell, with no effort on ergonomics either.
they look like cheap chinese cameras.
not something one would expect from a company trying to convince of an upscale product.

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Most of the cameras nowadays are made in China.

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So it's the year of 35mm lenses.

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with resolutions having skyrocketed, it is more possible than ever to take a crop to have a 50mm equivalent, for example, in both cases, of this lens, and the rx1.

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It is a good to have camera, but not the must. Not like EF200-400f/4 1.4X, wanted to but too expensive.

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Huh? Why would EF200-400f/4 be a must for someone who never shoots telephoto? It would be useless waste of money for that person

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Oh! Not everyone like telephoto. Only good for me. No need to carry too many lens to the field. Maybe can bring along RX1 for wide.

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I thought about the RX1 for wide also and asked specifically a question about its focusing speed and focus tracking speed, but it seems it's not up to DSLR quality there. Many would say it's not right to expect it to be as fast as a DSLR, but on the other hand I simply don't care what many would say -- I'm willing to pay for that performance but the Sony isn't fit for my money (yet?). I've not given up, I think one day we will see cameras that focus as well as a DSLR provided others are also willing ot pay and also provided cameras are still being produced then.

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Congratulations, Sigma.
I hope QC will follow the superior lens design!
This is what all manufacturers lack nowadays. Please, chande the trend!

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Rx1 is good winner; thought the Sony A99 or Nikon D7100 would win over the 6D or the Nikon D600 instead ?

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part of the RX1's beauty is in it's simplicity.

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The RX1 is a superb camera. Magical indeed. I am loving mine.

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Ken Rockwell wrote somethimng like he prefers his X100 anyday to his useless RX1 lol.

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Sure, but depending on the day of the week and his whims, last I checked his website varied from boring and uniformative to creepy. Not exactly a reliable source... He used to be entertaining but now it's just a huge waste of time (plus some of the photos are unnerving).

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do people still listen to that pratt?

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dpLarry says: "Ken Rockwell wrote somethimng like he prefers his X100 anyday to his useless RX1 lol."

Yes, the RX-1 is not for everyone. It' special : )

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I prefer points of view from people who can think for themselves, and not use their idols as a crutch.

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thanks for taking note of previous winners. i was about to ask, because it does give some perspective to how much value the award actually has.

just to remind dpr, however: you did waffle by giving the rx1 79 (below the line for ff, i would say) plus a gold.:):):)

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Full Frame sensor in a compact body is cool and unique and have great low light but it is not a huge technical breakthrough.

There have been 35mm film compact cameras decades ago and those even have to have space for the film canister and rewind mechanism and AA batteries. Some of them even have zoom lenses. And most of them only a couple hundred dollars. The RX1 have a fixed lens..

It's not a bad thing it got camera of the year award. They won't sell that many of it because of the price and limitations. But it is not a big technical achievement putting a FF sensor inside a compact body.

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While you shrug it off as not much of an achievement, I see it differently.

One of the smallest compact 35mm cameras with fixed lens in the world was the Minox 35, coming in at 100mm x 61mm x31mm (I believe with the lens cover closed, larger when lens cover is open). It's lens was a 35mm F/2.8, one stop slower than the RX1's 35mm F/2. It used a button cell battery and had no onboard flash.

The RX1 is 113mm x 65mm x 70mm, with most of that 70mm being just lens. So in inches, a difference of .5" x .15" x 1.5".

Now considering that the RX1 also has a larger sized battery, holds a memory card, has a 3" display on the back, buttons on the back along with dials on front and top, ports on the side, a built in flash, a one stop faster lens, etc. plus all the extra hardware inside that is needed to process the images you begin to realize it is quite a technological marvel.

If Sony decided to settle for an F/2.8 lens, I'd imagine it would be even smaller in depth.

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That Minox has a cool retractable lens which makes it much more pocketable.

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It is a technical breakthrough. There's a huge difference between digital sensors and film. Light can hit film at all kind of angles, but it has to hit digital sensors almost perpendicular. So combining a small flange distance and a big sensor is really difficult.

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This Larry guy sounds like he really knows his stuff. Here was i thinking it had a fully functional processing center built in with it. Oh well guess i'll go take my sensor to the darkroom now to get the images off of it.

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Oh dear, I'm sorry everyone. I was supposed to be looking after dpLarry tonight...and...well I only went out of the room for a moment and when I came back I saw that he'd opened the laptop and had been busy typing away.

I promise to be more vigilant in the future. Sorry again folks.

*come on Larry, step away from the keyboard*

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Yes Larry. And what's the big deal with these iPad things, I mean sure you don't need chalk, but we were writing on slates centuries ago.

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ironcam, microlens design for sensors for light to hit it at an angle has been going on for apsc MILCs, dslrs and even thin point and shoots for a long time.

The RX1 is not the first camera to implement microlens design that takes angle of light into consideration.

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The RX1 won the award more for the courage (and available funds) to build a camera that is not going to be a huge seller. I never said it didn't deserve the award.

It is the world's first compact full frame sensored camera, I think. And Sony of Japan did it Kudos to them.

But it is not a marvel in miniaturization. Back in early 1996 I bought a $4k Sony dcr-pc7 and that was Sony's first pocket dv cam and people were amazed a video camera can be so small. I also had the $2k JVC grhd1 released before the Sony that that was even smaller. Both were very good.

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FF in "Digital" sensor buddy not film. So who has done FF digital sensor in a compact lately? Leica? yes kind of..Which brings me to the point. It won b/c it is FF digital compact at $3k 1/3 of m9. When you say "not a big technical achievement" I know you base that on ridiculous guess work but at least factor in the price. Making the same thing at 1/3 a price is always a big achievement. Here is what you said. $45k Ferrari...meh ferrari already made those it has been done before no big deal.

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That is a very good point!
The limiting factor is usually optics: difficulty in getting sharpness across the entire frame as distances get closer. We have just become used to dimensions in FF digital, and have forgotten what distances are possible with good results.

Anecdotally, I remember an Agfa film camera I once had, with a 35mm f1.8 lens, that took stunning pictures. And it was simple, cheap. It had one of those toggle switches on the side of the lens with an icon of a person and one of 3 trees. LOL But the pictures looked stunning every time.

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Well deserved wins! Wonder why there's not "Lemon of the year" (the most silly idea like Nikon 1, Pentax Q and so on...)

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Damn you JEROME, I was just about to complain that the Q got robbed yet again. You need to be quick with your obvious jokes around here.

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You mean the same Nikon 1 that moved Nikon into fourth place worldwide in the mirrorless market?

Question: what was the best selling MILC in Japan for 2012?

Hint: it ain't the OMD.

How silly of Nikon to release a product that actually sells.

And what a lemon the Nikon 1 is considering most mirrorless cameras have MUCH better AF systems than the Nikon 1. /sarcasm/

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I don't live in Japan...do you? I don't drive Ford Tempo/Escort etc., even if they sold millions (?) of them and Ford was telling me Quality is #...Got nothing against Ford, just saying you you can sell dog c@#!p if you make people believe it's ice cream. That's all.

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" fourth place worldwide in the mirrorless market" I need the source.

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@vodanh1982

http://petapixel.com/2012/10/30/the-current-state-of-the-mirrorless-war/

@JEROME NOLAS

Couldn't care less what you drive or what you shoot with, but to argue that a camera company producing a top selling camera is "a silly idea" is ludicrous. Glad you are not running Nikon.

All you do is flame other cameras. Do you ever actually try any of these lemon cameras or take pictures of any kind?

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> You mean the same Nikon 1 that moved Nikon into fourth place worldwide in the mirrorless market?

Only after they discounted them to dirt. A good question would be, how much money did Nikon make from those cameras?

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@marike6: "Using data gleaned from retailers and manufacturers over in Japan, it reports that three companies — Olympus, Sony, and Panasonic — account for nearly 70% of mirrorless camera sales in Japan". I don't think it is a "world wide" analysis. You cannot assume Japan market as global.

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4th place ... but look who's behind them.

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guys wake up... fourth place isn't far from LAST place! rotfl
who did they have to pass to make it to fourth, canon eos-m? lol
For example, Leica isn't a leader in sales, but they sure make good cameras.
Just because it sells well, doesn't make it the best.
A product for the masses isn't a product for connaisseurs!

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The Sigma DP "M" series offers excellent solutions to questions very few are asking and for which even fewer are willing to pay; a very impressive evolutionary dead end that sold slowly and performs even slower. Dreary cameras lacking what Ignatius J. Reilly would call the proper geometry and theology, taste and decency.

The rest are good choices.

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The ultimate cameras in iq we have today. If that is dreary, well sorry for you man.

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Thanks. I try not to think about it, try to move on and leave the "DP M" thing behind.

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Few are as brazenly ignorant as rallyfan is. I enjoy reading such misguided idiocy.

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I would have to agree my man.

If I had deep pockets, I would own all the merills, what sheer fun.

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The Merrill is like when someone doing 35mm sees what their first 120 or 4x5 film neg can produce in terms of details and tonality. It's another dimension of reality.

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I am at the moment writing a lengthy indictment against the Sigma DP Merrill. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip.

Boethius would have found the Sigma appalling.

I must warn everyone about my pyloric valve.

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Take those pills man, you'll feel better........

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The Sony RX1 is such a big step forward that no other company is even close to releasing something similar.

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If thats what you need, One on the market is all thats needed.

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How do you know; Canon and Nikon could be in later design or about to release one soon ?

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Going to marry that camera man???

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Well those were no-brainers.

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Yes, you did give the RX-1 and the Sigma 35 f1.4 a gold award. But you gave the 6D a silver award in a rather weak box-ticking review. BTW, I am not a Canon fanboy.

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they are handing out gold awards like they were cookies...
they were bound to get one or two right.

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Good choices. Both are stunners when accounced and reviewed.

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>the Editors Awards were given to the Canon EOS 6D and Sigma's DP Merrill series of compacts.

Wouldn´t it be time for the dpreview team to review the DP Merrill series?

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Also waiting for Leica S2 / S. I guess they are waiting for D4x and 1DsX before reviewing those 40mp+ cameras.

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I don't think DPR has ever reviewed any medium format camera. They didn't review the Pentax 645D or the Leica S2, so I wouldn't count on a review of the new Leica S.

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I would be disappointed to see a DP M series review.

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no worries luminous landscape reviews the merrills and the rest for sure.

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Wouldn't argue with those choices. Both very nice products.

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