Poll: What concerns you most about Adobe's move to subscription software?: Digital Photography Review

Adobe alternatives will start to look more attractive and other software vendors will recognize this opening in the market and put more effort in competing with Adobe products. In the end Adobe has managed to shoot themselves in the foot and others will benefit. It's the American way! ;-)

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I can summarize the concerns about Adobe's move to subscription-only use of their software thus: try to imagine a stranger clutching your balls in his hand. That's a real "concern", isn't it?

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I already find Adobe's monopolistic and innovation-killing ways of doing business reprehensible. I buy software to do, and continue to do, a job for me. I want to be free to move on and choose another application and vendor when appropriate.

The degree to which corporate behemoths like Adobe and Apple have been able dominate the applications market stifles competition and new ideas and already ties the computer user into endless upgrade treadmills.

Having to continually pay "rent" to feed such bloated megacorporations will only make things worse.

I will be looking hard for alternatives, and urge others to do so.

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Thinking aloud ... I think the way a lot of these posters feel is the way most people feel when they get the bill from their wedding photographer

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I WISH I could charge my customers like this. "If you want to keep looking at your photos, pay me $20 a month for life". Stop paying and you can't see them. Sweet. The reality is of course, I can't think of anyone who would stand for that. Odd isn't it?

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Actually, many wedding photographers do not give the negatives to their customers. They charge every time at their own rates if someone wants more prints.

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Umm, yes I know. It's how I (we) make money. However, once you have a print, you have it. You can frame it, you can put in into an album, you can make a mouse pad out of it or whatever your heart desires. But you do not hang it on your wall and next month pay me another $20 or I come to your house and take it back. Big difference.

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No it isn't a big difference. That's like saying that once you process an image with Adobe you can do anything you want with it. But to reprocess next month? That will cost extra. Ironic, isn't it?

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The Cloud will save me a ton of money on upgrades and new versions. I embrace the technology unlike many dinosaurs here. Sucks to be you.

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well it sucks to be a retard with a red cap.. that´s for sure.

morons who fall for every social media crap and company advertising will learn it soon enough.

oh.. what do i do with my AE and PREMIERE projects yet that i don´t pay subscription anymore??? how do i open them?
and why do i have to pay 10-20% more every year.....??

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Henry, you can either adapt or check out. It's up to you.

BTW, I'm gonna 'like' your comment knowing you were butt-hurt by my opinion.

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well you know nothing.... there are other options then to "adapt or check out".

and your opinion doesn´t "hurt" me at all.
it´s not as if you affect my live at all... i just.. i think your opinion is retarded...

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I don't see the big deal here. Sound to me like your reaction is more 'knee-jerk' than anything else. You're panicking before you even understand how the new changes will affect you. Just chill, and be patient. I'm sure your little projects will not be affected.

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well .. be sure i know better then you brainwashed cash cow. lol

you are american i guess? public school?
people like you voted twice for g.w. bush... so please excuse that i give a rats sh*t about your opinion. :)

americans know sh*t about freedom of choice.
they fall for every advertising and marketing bullsh*t.

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It was way cheaper to upgrade every 1.5 to 4 years than to pay monthly extortion payments. Upgrades were $199 which covered a 1.5 to 4 year period. Monthly over same period will be $360 to $960. If you call that saving money then you don't know much about math.

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Yes, American of course. My parents are brother and sister and I was homeschooled as well. Me and my cousin are set to marry next week.

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the netto effect will be... minor updates for a constant payment.

and when you decide to switch software you are screwed because you can´t open your old projects. because you don´t own software to open them....

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You're not embracing new technology, you're embracing a sales pitch for a new pricing model.

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Geez Henry. Way to drag yourself into the gutter with the anti-American tirade. Spoken about other people it would be considered racist.

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I didn't take offense to it. Once in a while I succumb to uttering ethnocentric comments as well. I love the UK, and I love scones as well. Cheerio, have a good day.

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Before you became a professional, you use illegal software. This has been the entrance for many DOS, Windows, Adobe products, etc. users. Younger people don't have the money. The introduction to a product is like drugs. The first shoot is free. If the first shoot isn't available. The youngsters will seek other substitutes.
That's my guess. My use and knowledge about several applications has started will some "free" access.
If you really what this stuff in a professional setting, you buy it!

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You mean as opposed to renting it?????

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A very nice article by Corel . I think they are the best alternative to Adobe and have really strong products. The problem is that they have no Mac Version which is a pity. I would encourage you to leave a message on their page requesting an OsX version. They cannot do that in 2 days, but I guess my CS6 version can hold until Corel is ready, if they make the commitment. Now would be a good time for Corel CEO to put on the big pants and challenge Adobe with an annoucement.

http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/corel-is-all-about-giving-users-choice/#comments

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Mac ... From the other arrogant price inflating company

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Possibly... but I love how they made Adobe Flash dissapear in 2 months :) and I will love it more if Tim Cook decides tomorrow to put some hard resources into Apperture and make Lightroom dissapear too.

BTW, your shift is over, time for the other Adobe shill to start posting on this board defending your pos company.

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Who needs Adobe?
I've got my Photoshop. If this ever gets too outdated there will be another program. What's more, I'm not going to a cloud for anything and I'm not storing anything on a cloud -- it leaves us (photographers especially) too vulnerable.

I want some protections, some rights, some privacy, some respect!

These companies better start asking what we consumers want. They think we're slaves but they're going to find out we don't need them after all. Then they'll be singing a different tune.

By the way, Adobe ain't what it used to be! Did you see that fourth rate artwork they sent out with that last CS promotion? The one with the "hair" artwork? It was putrid!

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Problem is that your current Photoshop will be good for some time with the equipment you currently own. If you purchase a new camera three or four years from now, chances are that your current ACR won't be able to open the RAW files. I doubt Adobe will continue support for CS6 once they force everyone to go to their new cloud scam (CS) version.

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DNG converter is your friend

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Tiff is an open format, and will save layers. Stop storing your work in proprietary formats.

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I would say that my vote for "Having to repeatedly pay to retain access" goes along with "Uncertainty over future of Adobe or pricing". Overall I hate not owning, I own my home, I don't rent.

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It's a shame Adobe is resorting to this. I have been using Photoshop in one version or another for over 10 years. They have lost me as a client thanks to their new marketing strategy. I will be searching for an alternate imaging program this week. Bye Adobe.

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Make sure you pick an open source option. If it's commercially successful, then Adobe will just buy it, I'm thinking of you Rawshooter Pro.

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Economic shackles for servile debt slaves. It's monopoly rent, pure and simple. They showed their true colors a long time ago by killing Freehand.

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They tried to make me go to C-Cloud but I said 'no, no, no'

Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know

I ain't got the time and if my daddy thinks I'm fine

He's tried to make me go to C-Cloud but I won't go go go

.

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Most of the students I know pirate Adobe products. They don't like doing it but feel they have little choice. I have always thought Adobe could have done much more to prevent this, had they wanted to. Well, now they are going to do it and my guess is that it will be great news for Adobe competitors, both commercial, like Corel, and non-commercial, like Gimp and Inkscape. So from this standpoint, I welcome Adobe's decision to discontinue the anti-competitive and anti-social policy of encouraging piracy. I look forward to the open source competitors giving Adobe a run, as Android is doing to IoS. I also hope Adobe enter a period of long-term decline. They have never been a lovable company. I hope they stop growing and die slowly and quietly, like Microsoft.

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This move does not nothing to do with anti- piracy, they clearly point it out, so the relation Adobe- pirates will be remain the same.

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Here is an interesting article about Adobe CC. http://terrywhite.com/5-myths-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

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You are probably working for Adobe but anyway, here is a very good response for that "article" about "myths":

1. If you recently paid to upgrade to CS6, especially if you're a "Master Collection" customer, you're getting reamed.
2. You're going to be pestered once a month to make sure you've paid your "Adobe bill".
3. You've lost control of when/what you purchase. I put off upgrading to CS6 for a year because the additional features weren't compelling enough for me to sink the money into. You won't have that option in the future.
4. Adobe's sold out their loyal long-term customers in order to get a recurring monthly revenue stream.
5. No matter which Adobe product you use, unless you were buying it BRAND NEW every single year, you will end up spending more money to get basically the same stuff via Creative Cloud. My CS6 Master Collection upgrade cost me $525. Once my "discount year" is up, I'll be paying a minimum of $600. Not when I feel like it. Every single year.

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Adobe shills have been posting "myth" articles about this since the first article was posted here. You can add rasummers to the list.

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Terry White seems to address only the softball questions at his site.

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1. Adobe's pricing is too high -- cost is about double, more if you skip versions
2. Having to repeatedly pay to retain access --
3. The need to occasionally connect to the Internet/Cloud
4. Uncertainty over future of Adobe or pricing -- I am certain that it will only increase

I sincerely hope that this will be their undoing.

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One thing to note, is that the $49.99 per month plan, gives you access to all the Adobe products in the Creative Cloud Suite. While that may not appeal to people who just use Photoshop, that is quite a bit of software you get for $600 per year. It works out to a pretty good deal if you like or need to always have the latest version of the software.

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Yes, I think everyone agrees that there do exist situations where the subscription deal is a very good one. But generally, its not a good deal for photographers. And, this is a photographer's site. It is also not a good deal for hobby people. And ... I assume DPReview is mainly read by hobby people, or at least to a high degree. So, I think its hard to find any acceptance here.

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Only it isn't $600 a year if you live in the EU. It's almost $1000. Ask their CEO why. You'll love his answer (hint: it has something to do with the Creative Cloud).

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The Adobe folks are working in shifts. There were 2-3 of them the first day or two, now it's rasummers turn. In a day or two it'll be someone else spreading "the word"....

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Adobe's single app price is $19.99 per month. I currently use Photoshop CS6 which retails for $699. I think the subscription price is reasonable (just barely). I also use Lightroom 3 but I much prefer Photoshop for editing. If the user interface of Lightroom's editor was significantly improved I probably wouldn't buy Photoshop. As far as high end photo editing software is concerned, I don't think Photoshop has any serious competition.

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If you had CS4 or CS5 you could have updated to CS6 for $199. That is the boat most of us are own, the upgrade boat. So $199 for 1.5 to 4 years of use verses $239 every single year for 1.5 to 4 years (which equals $359 to $959). That equals a really bad deal by a greedy, bloatware company!

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Only thing is , if You are a loyal customer and Existing user
You only pay $199 for upgrade and a lot of people are happy to use it for 3-5 years without upgrading

The new changes remove that option for the long time loyal users and force you to subscribe an pay a lot more

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$699! That is cheap. We pay over a thousand dollars for it here in Australia and that is not including the complete suite either.

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What it makes one sit down and consider is, if you are typically one who upgrades every time the next camera model is introduced (not cheap either), do you continue doing that and find yourself new software, or do you skip a new body or two (or maybe that new lens) and keep yourself up-to-date with Photoshop.

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Long time Professional print and motion designer/animator. PS user since 1.0 but more After Effects these days. I keep updated (CS6) primarily because I need to collaborate with others in the pipeline, but also because I generally like Adobe's offerings and their rich plugin ecosystem. Money is not the main criteria for me, in fact, in my situation the Cloud would be cheaper.

Deal breaker for me is that under this system I could lose access to my own intellectual property. I know I don't own, but rather lease, my software. But what I create with that software, even if it is saved in one of Adobe's propriety file formats, is mine. Not Adobe's.

That they would even raise the specter of such a thing (locking me out of my own files for any reason) tells me all I need to know. Moving to Adobe alternatives will be a major hassle. And ironically, unless they hadn't put my livelihood in jeopardy, I would probably never do it.

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They know that all ready... they know that.
We give them too much power.

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This is exactly right - the locking out of the files.
Isn't it rather ironic that they came up with the DNG format so that we would "always" have access to our files......

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Radio buttons won't tell the whole story.

This poll should have been done by a ranking system either 1-5 or 0% concern to 100%

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For most of us semi-pro or hobby enthusiast photographers and even some full pro photographers any one of the 64 bit versions of Photoshop starting at CS4 and later (was CS3 64bit?) is really all we will need for the next many number of years, so most are covered who have this.

Unless... you also use the ACR Raw features or need the latest and greatest because you work in advertising and marketing and commercial photography and are sharing layered files to others.
How many of us actually need better than CS6 Photoshop anyway and need more upgrading (who are enthusiasts) which is a mature product already. Use other software for Raw conversion and there are lots out there and your existing PS should be fine for many years!

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CS6 will be ok only until the new camera you purchase two or three years from now has RAW files that need to be opened. I seriously doubt Adobe will update ACR to accommodate future RAW files.

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I don't usually use ACR anyway, with a few exceptions (I use D700 however the occasional Canon FF file I get works well in ACR). I prefer DXO Optics Pro 8 for Raw. Great program. Lightroom and others like Aperature are good alternates. So PS is fine the way it is for most of my needs. I will use other software for the rest. Do not care for Bridge and use ACDsee Pro 6 for file management. Also good.

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Why use Adobe's crappy ACR anyways? OK, its integration makes it more convenient and quicker to use. But that's about it.

As RAW converters C1 and DxO on the payware side do a much better job than ACR and there are also freeware alternatives such as rawtherapee and others.

I would be more concerned about CS6 falling behind in terms of OS compatibility. But then there's always a virtual machine being able to take care of that.

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@Tom
THANKS A LOT for the VM ....never thought about that option! I can run CS6 for 10 years...by then, there will be other stuff. I am not worried about ACR, although nice, i could always use DPP to convert to TIFF and take it to CS6 ....if needed. Great idea! In the mean time ADBE has lost all the 199 cycles from me + the $80 LR cycles as well. Obviously i am not investing in a product that will eventually join the CLoudy Crap

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Want Camera Shake reduction on your CS6? check www.piccure.com. waiting to see what else justifies the hefty monthly subscription adobe is asking for.

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A. As an amateur photogrpher who buys a new version of CS extended every 4 years, I'm out. $600/year is just too rich for my blood. I may look into getting CS6 (if it's even available without a CC subscription), and then moving on to something else in a few years.

B. I think the industry leader has just opened the door for a lot of $200-300 photo editing software competitiors. Sure, maybe they won't be as good, but at $600/year I can't afford the best anymore. I don't need content-aware editing or 3-D modeling. I've grown up with Photoshop since 3.0 LE, but I won't be subscribing at $49.95/month.

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To be fair, if all you want is Photoshop, it's not $49.95, it's $19.95, which is enough itself at $240 per year when someone like myself is used to $195 every 18 months, but $600 per year is not right unless one wants Adobe's entire suite, not just Photoshop.

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You can still get the boxed or download full version of CS6 at retailers or on Adobe site for 699. Only CS5 and 5.5 users can get CS6 Photoshop at lower than half price on Adobe site. Click on Buy button to see the upgrade from CS5 option.

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I've had the trial LR 4 on my Macbook Pro for three weeks when all this furor erupted. I weighed the chances that LR would end up in the cloud in a year or two and decided to buy the competition - silly name but a great product (PhotoNinja). Sorry, Adobe, but there are too many bozos on your bus!

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You-tube now started on pay as you view now as trial - expect this probably go full soon as well....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22474715

What's next ?

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Buzz off adobe. And scot kelby last time I buy your books.

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I never paid a cent to Scott Kelby, I find his books overrated, but...Adobe is what he sells, so he is probably selling his soul to keep his business afloat.
There are many other businesses that will hold their nose and jump in because there is no real alternative at the moment, and that is the reason why Adobe is doing it, they know they can hold many people hostage and make a ton of money, and if it backfires, they will be back selling copies and saying "Sorry".
There is no loyalty in the business world.

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Interesting to see the Share price at the moment - although still holding up well... perhaps there gamble will pay off...?

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/adbe/real-time

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None of this chatter is affecting anyone's stock price.....yet. Large numbers of people have to remain committed to everything that's been said here, and over a decently long haul, before anyone's bottom line is affected. The people at Adobe are immune to all this, until the (stock) investors start complaining. The guy represented in the Marlboro/Just for Men/Viagra portrait in the other article, is just sitting back with his smirk and taking this all in.

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Yep, stock price won't be affected until earnings is affected.

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The stock market is at an all-time high. You could be selling asbestos and your share price would be high right now.

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They will be good until there is a real alternative.

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Actually, GIMP is very powerful. The only reason I use PS CS is for the cleaner interface. It's not worth getting bent over a barrel on though. I can always use my old CS2 + GIMP + RPP combo and get what I need. It's not as efficient, but I use this software for my own pleasure, not for creation of revenue from the products. They ought to factor that into their logic. There are a boat-load of people that do not receive financial gain for the use of PS CS nor want to, but do want to (a) keep their skills up at home and (b) like the added flxibililty of PS over PSE. They appear to be ignoring that LARGE group of home users.

It's a shame. The deblur feature was about to get me to plop down another bunch of bills for a new PS too. Oh well.

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Sadly, the GIMP UI is ... well ... appropriately named.

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I admit that! LOL The GIMP is not nearly as well "put together" in the GUI.

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I've been using GIMP for years. GIMP is definitely no substitute for Photoshop. GIMP is severely unintuitive and hinders your productivity. Back in the early 90s when I started using Photoshop I could just take hold of the mouse and start using it without ever read a PS book. You try to do that with GIMP and you'll be scratching your head to eternity.

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I'd have a hard time calling something that doesn't support 16-bit editing in 2013 "very powerful."

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From a business standpoint the subscription is a lease that can be written off completely so in that sense it works. I need Photoshop and Dreamweaver, and I thought Muse would be a good platform for small sites. However, as currently configured the Contact Forms only work on Business Catalyst. The work around is to use a third party app like Wufoo.

Of course this begs the question -- Why use Muse at all?

It's hard enough to sell hosting as it is given that anyone with a web site generally has a hosting plan, sometimes with their ISP or domain registrar. And BC costs considerably more than comparable plans.

Personally I think this business model will only spur innovation just as MS Office gave impetus to Open Office and Libre Office. For individuals and small businesses the choice is pretty obvious. Already there are free programs like Chasys Draw that compete favorably with PS Elements, so I think it's just a matter of time.

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People think "written off" means the same thing as "free" or "without cost" and nothing could be further from the truth.

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what is scott kelby saying on the grit?

all is fine and the cloud is great?

i can not be bothered to watch him but im curious....

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Pretty much. He released his own version of a FAQ on his site where he's extremely condescending. One could summarize his position as "get on the boat, shut up, and pay up".

The comments on that page destroy him and actually question his ethics. Pretty interesting stuff, lot's people letting their NAPP subscription lapse and not renewing.

The training aspect of all this is insane BTW as new things are constantly introduced. Thom Hogan makes the point in a more elegant fashion but it's worth noting.

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Scott thinks this development is both inevitable and wonderful. The creative cloud is pink, with silver lining. 5 stars! Make that 10. But is it reasonable to expect he would say or do otherwise?

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well of course.
i trust scott kelby to be OBJECTIV as far as i can spit.

he is practical a adobe employee....

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Besides all the anger, we should see is as a chance.

Imagine....all the other creative software manufacturers are seeing this moment as a big motivation to design photoshop alternatives? I mean real professional alternatives? It would be very interested to see how the whole visual creative industry changes. It would be a change. I don't think Adobe realized yet, that they could feel the Kodak moment of downfall sooner than they expect.

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My guess would be other companies are seeing a big opportunity to develop a state of the art imaging program that sells for $49. Maybe a bit more before piracy kicks in, say $99. Google seems to think this is too high. I was surprised to receive the entire NIK suite for free. I owned most of the pieces, but still.

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We want to have a choice.
Choice between "virtual" copy and "hard" copy of PS.
We want to have choice when to upgrade and what program to upgrade.
Let us decide about it. If Clouds are so sweet, customers will fly to them like birds but they will fly on their on decision, and not because " winter is coming " :)
At this moment Adobe told us: grab my hand or see my middle finger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
One more remarks - let's say I go to the Clouds and of course I also buy some plug-ins like NIK, Topaz etc.
One day I stop, for some reason, subscription and I do not have PS but I have many useless plugs.
It is simply insane.
Adobe - stop to treat your customers like idiots !!!

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-13/adobe-revenue-profit-top-estimates-on-software-demand.html
"Adobe expects profit for the full fiscal year 2013 to be $1.40 per share on sales of $4.1 billion. Paid subscribers to the Creative Cloud service will grow to more than 1.25 million by the end of next year, the company said, meaning revenue should become more predictable."

Those 1.25 million subscribers (assuming they could get that many) would have to pay (4100/1.25/12) or $273 each month to give Adobe the same revenue in 2014? I am not good at math but if I get it right this time, it doesn't look good at all! Anyone could double check the calculation for me?

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Your math is good, but subscribers are not seats. Many, many subscribers have multiple seats.

If anything, CC is designed for them and not the solo working photographer.

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the CC does not represent 100% of ADOBE revenue....there is a strong crowd noise against the new policy, but I would not underestimate the busines maths ADOBE did before the announcement.

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Adobe will sell some software that will not be in Clouds like Elements, LR or PDF.
I do not know how much they make from these products but they will have to make a lot of money because gap between what they charge now for Cloud service and Your calculation is to big.
50$( max.) to 273$

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Vinc, midou said it - they have revenue from non-CC products as well. Lightroom, plus many, many Acrobat Pro licenses, plus large educational and other institutional agreements that will remain outside the CC orbit.

You'd have to look into their filings and see if they break out revenue by product groups to narrow it down.

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Adobe: Lousy software. My PDF conversion from MS Word 2010 inserts edge artifacts -- hate to use it. Conversion of my manuscript to PDF was a royal pain (the only way to do it 7 yrs ago).

Adobe: A monopoly with US Govt backing. Sherman doesn't like it.

Bottom line: I don't use it. I deleted flash player and didn't even notice. Have no Adobe software except PDF reader and looking for replacement.

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Can't you just save directly to PDF from Word 2010?

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A good free reader I've been using for a couple of years now is:

http://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer

Used Foxit before that, until it began to develop problems (adware for instance). Of course now that Firefox has native support for displaying PDF files, that might be all one needs for basic reading.

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Get the free shareware PDF Creator. SImply print out of word to PDF to get a file that looks exactly like your word doc. The PDF's aren't editable though.

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For those who feel comfortable with LR + PS alternative, be warned.

Imagine a scenario in 2 years time where Adobe says "The last 12 months of development was brutal. And there were results we were not happy with. We have decided to focus on the CC LR product." Sounds familiar? It should, it's what they said about CS PS.

So regardless of the fact that they've said "ya, we'll keep CS LR going, but make CC LR better", be warned before you commit more and more to their catalogues etc.

Fool me once...

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Great minds think alike! :)

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+1

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putting on standby my LR upgrade and looking forward to corel.

Men, this is not paranoia... this is punishment.

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This may just simplify things. Normally, I have to decide between .NEF and .CR2 and/or DNG. The solution seems to be none of the above. TIFF works with everything (including each other's applications) and Canon, Nikon and Adobe can all vanish.

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What concerns me is that the logic they used to explain moving CS to subscription only also applies equally to Lightroom. They may have said "We don't have plans to make Lightroom a subscription-only option but we do envision added functionality for CC members using Lightroom", but they have also stated "The reason behind the subscription-only move is the logistics of supporting two sets of software".

I can't trust them not to move LR to subscription only, not based on any anti-Adobe sentiment, but based on their words.

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lol - great minds to indeed think alike

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I better start learning how to use Aperture then.

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Basically, Adobe is trolling anybody who bought PS CS6 recently. "Thanks for spending $700 on our product just now. As a reward, you will save $60 on your first year of PS CC!" Whoopty f***ing dooo. You stay classy, Adobe. That has to be the biggest d*** move so far of the century.

We are essentially being trolled by a freaking company!

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Adobe, time to rethink and listen to you customers.
As an amateur I'll stay on PS CS6 and in time move to an alternate product.
CC is too expensive for me even at $ prices, convert to £ and it becomes totally unaffordable.
Strong arm tactics like this are the best way to alienate your customers and lose long term customer loyalty

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That they FD'd up Adobe Ideas for the iPad in version 2.6
Also, I'm not online a lot with editing.

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Those who pirate software would not usually be a purchaser of the software if it could not be pirated. Very little to no extra income for Adobe from the current pirates.

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You can be sure it will get pirated.

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It'll probably get pirated more severely than ever before in all likelihood.

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Just checked Adobe stock, down 3% for the day. Nice going guys.
How's that workin' out for ya?

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The Adobe CC reverie, about their innovative idea and the welcome sign in this community you got more than 4730 users feedback. Well done Adobe actually I do not see a great future, and it appears that Stock market talk about it too.

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I wish I could have voted on all the options but the last. I started with CS2, upgraded to CS5, then CS6. $200 a pop for every other year isn't that bad, but $20 a month for a hobby is too high.

When I need to upgrade again, I will look at other options, including Picture Window Pro, Lightroom, and Paint Shop Pro. And I hope that GIMP supports more bits per channel by then.

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$200 a pop is pretty far from the entry price, though. The full CS6 master collection is $4,693 where I live (27,162 NOK). With a subscription model, CS suddenly becomes affordable for new customers...

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As long as CC is not forced onto LR only users, it should be fine. Once they do this to LR too, there will be many options out there, that while not as good, will do fine. Capture One, Aperture, others. I simply don't find I need Photoshop anymore. I do everything in LR. Adobe understands the workflow software for photography is still a little competitive. They don't have a monopoly there like they do in photoshop.

For features in Photoshop that people can't live without, there will be new plugins developed for LR to handle those.

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I suspect LR 5 will be the final perpetual software version. After that Adobe will take it into the CC only world too. Best to start weaning yourself of LR now.

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Why move Lightroom to the Creative Suite? It's a standalone product aimed at photographers with high-volume workflow requirements and those who don't need the capabilities of Photoshop.

Lightroom and Elements could easily stay standalone for a long time, since they don't have much to do with Suite users.

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W5JCK Adobe have not even suggested that will happen. They said it will remain a stand alone program but in the future they MAY add additional features to a CC version. After several request they are also looking at the possibility of a Photographers CC package, maybe Lightroom + Ps. They said they need to see if that is viable though.

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I thought they already said that LR will be getting cloud only features? That would leave the perpetual licence crippled.

I hope to see Corel and some others join forces and really put out a killer RAW converter/photo editor package. Exciting times. I will probably invest in the PaintShop Pro X6 at this point to familiarize myself with it. Best to prepare for the times when my current Adobe licences no longer work.

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First, they have already said they will restrict innovation in the stand alone version vs the CC version and may move Lightroom to CC as well.
Second, why would we want to reward Adobe for this action by continuing to purchase Lightroom or Elements? There are many RAW converters out there and in my opinion ACR did not do as good of a job with Canon files as DPP.....more features but the output was not as good in my opinion. Nikon files were a different story.

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It would have been nice for somebody to offer a real alternative to Photoshop years ago, but instead people are GIMPed out at 8 bits.

Nobody has seen Adobe's level of success. I am not holding my breath that someone will suddenly put out a viable alternative.

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I read that GIMP is about to get 16-bit support. I hope they get a stable version of that out soon.

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I'd love to see it, but many years ago I gave up on GIMP catching up with Photoshop's capabilities, and that was before I moved stitching and focus stacking from dedicated plugins to CS6.

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It is a disgrace to do this to their customers. They obviously have not thought about the older people who use the software. It would serve them right if they went out of business, they deserve that to happen.

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Long time reader / lurker but not an active poster, this compelled me to register and post.

Bottom line, arrogance before the fall. Time after time companies get to a point where their lack of competition gives them a false sense of worth, value and brilliance. Then they overreach and, due to their arrogance, don't correct course until irreparable damage is done, often times to the point of no return.

Now what's really amazing is that it's not like Adobe is making jetliners, complex processors, heavy construction equipment etc..., it's photo software. Once the competitive vacuum opens up this thing will be replicated by competing products with like quality, if not better once Adobe starts losing all their engineers to the competitors, in probably months, not even years.

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lol. Why are they suddenly going to lose engineers? I think that is a bit of wishful thinking. It will also take quite a long time for someone to develop the software and imagine how many patents Adobe own. Also depends if it is even worth while to develop the software. For example Aperture has hardly been a success for Apple hence the lack of development.

There has been a lot of shouting on the internet for the last few days but bottom line it's far less than 10,000 people. Over 1/2 million people have signed up to CC so far.

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How many of these posts do you have to write to get a better parking spot at Adobe HQ?

Just wondering...

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I'm wondering when it's going to stop? Today it's Adobe giving us the shaft. Who's next? Microsoft, Corel, Apple, etc.

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You-tube now - starting introduce trail pay as you view channel ~ probably roll it out to all content... Another £20 / $20 to view content per month.

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Adobe usually has 3 or 4 titles in anybody's list of most pirated software, and Photoshop is always one of them. I can't blame them for moving to a model that makes this less prevalent.

Looks like the pirates ruined it for everyone who wanted a boxed copy.

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eh? Adobe does not do this to fight piracy. They even admit that themselves. They do it because they believe in the model. They want to secure a more reliable income.

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The opposite is true. Moving to the cc model, adobe is chasing away even those customers who used to pay for the software.

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I don't expect them to come out and say they're doing it for anti-piracy reasons, but I also expect it will be a huge benefit for them.

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Jeez, read for five minutes before you repeat this bit of incorrect interpretation.

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@tdptdp

You don't understand how Adobe's 'cloud' works.
The software is 100% on your own computer, there is NO software in the cloud. The only thing that is in the cloud is your license to lease the software.

To crack the licensing module that checks your license would be a pretty simple thing to do for any experienced hacker I guess.

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@ Just - I haven't seen a non-virus crack for CC yet, and I have looked around a good deal. It may be that nobody with any talent took the time to look into it with boxed versions available, but disrupting piracy for even a while would show up in Adobe's revenue numbers.

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I am afraid the rent model will produce more pirating then they had before. If Adobe could make sure their SW is absolutely pirate proof I wouldn't care to pay premium, because I would get rid of legions of competitors instantly. But they can't.
And so this model is bad for everybody.

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tdptdp - I'm not sure this will have any effect on piracy. The "new" software appears to be protected in largely the same way as the old software.

We have yet to see on revenue, of course. And the effect will be muddled at first - there will be some (like me) rushing out to buy CS6 while we still can, and others signing up for CC. It may take a year or so to shake out the net effect.

The stock market, however, has them down about 5.4% for the week so far, a loss of about $1.2 billion in shareholder wealth. Now, granted, that comes on the heels of a big run-up over the last several months. But assuming investors had priced in some positive revenue expectations about CC, it would seem those expectations are being moderated, at the very least.

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lol - no.

And --> CC will be cracked and on torrent sites before you know it. Fact.

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"disrupting piracy for even a while would show up in Adobe's revenue numbers."

No it wouldn't since the pirates in question would never buy it in the first place.

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Correct. I doubt many foiled pirates would turn into CC subscriptions, whilst at the same time people who previously bought the product but can't justify the eternal commitment may well look elsewhere. And when it is eventually cracked (and it will be) then a number of previously paying customers will probably go down the piracy route. All the while you're having to devote development effort into making it crack-proof once more.

What might've been more sensible was following the same model as others where a flat fee buys you 12 months of updates. If after a year you don't renew then you keep the product you had up until that point but with no further updates unless you start over. I suspect most would've been happy with this and it also encourages the vendor to keep updates/feature additions regular in order to keep people continually subscribing.

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Adobe did not enhance the RAW converter for a long time, no better demosaicing, no better colors, no better adabtive denoising, instead more 3D stuff and gimicks nobody really needs.
The lack of real innovations made CS6 less interesting, who wants to pay 1000,- for 1 or 2 silly gimmicks when the old stuff still works and RAW conversion can be done better elsewise.

Adobe
- Give us real innovations
- Make a better RAW conversion
- Sell the SW for a better price for ENTHUSIASTS (which you seem not to like a lot)

The people you are looking down at are your CLIENTS, they pay your monthly salary.

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Very much like Ford saying: Well from now on and since we are not selling enough cars/making as much money as we want or plan, we will not sell cars but rather we will rent them for those who wish to drive a car. Let me tell you, there are great electric bicycles and cars coming from China!

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