Just posted: Hands-on preview of the Canon EOS 700D / Rebel T5i: Digital Photography Review

I bought a 650D within 30 mins it froze with liveview, replacement body did the same Canon said they had no knowledge of a problem. Maybe they have fixed the freeze fault on the 700D or maybe it was the STM 18-135 that had the problem. Canon just said get a refund. I am not sure if it would be wise to get a 700D just yet. As regards video its the large sensor that gives that film look which you cant get with a semi-pro camcorder you would have to go for C300, and some very expensive glass.

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Canon seems to have a better marketing department than other manufacturers. I can name eight people that I know who have a Canon. Both of my brothers, two of my friends, three of my wife's cousins and my neighbor. I can also say with great confidence that they do not consider photography their hobby. Canon runs more ads, more people buy Canon. It's not a reflection of their lack of quality, they're great products, but they take aim at everyone.

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My theory is that T4i to T5i was "non-upgrade", because Canon is busy working on a new-smaller body and new sensor for the T6i.

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I'm happy - because my 550D/T2i is still more or less current ....

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What! ???

There's a 700D already! ???

Noooo kidding!! ???

Can't wait for the 800D Mark IV this Christmas! (and 900D next Easter 2014!)

Canon and Nikon should soon realize these "upgrades" are a joke.

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Guys, on the bright side your old Rebel should have less depreciation and you can continue to enjoy your existing Rebel without feeling 'out dated'.
If T5i had major improvement, you old Rebel would worth peanuts.

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The T5i is just the routine annual freshening up of the Rebel line with a few tweaks to keep it current and at or near the head of its class, just like the T4i was to the T3i. No surprises here since the Rebel line still outsells its competition by a huge margin, and routinely doesn't get a major redo until after 3 or more product cycles. The new Rebel SL1 is the real news from Canon and is destined to make the Rebel line even more dominate than it already is.

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I think a lot of us here are disappointed that T5i and SL1 is not up to par with competitors.
Canon fans expect a lot more than just a tweak of T4i and label it as T5i.
I don't know if Rebel outsells competitors by a huge margin. I know more Nikon users than Canon users that's for sure.

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@JimWongyyz - virtually every camera that Canon has ever introduced has been dismissed as nothing more than "just a tweak" of a previous model by somebody. Just go look back at every Canon DSLR introduction, and you'll find someone, somewhere, saying pretty much the exact same thing that you are saying now. And you can also find someone predicting the eminent doom of Canon, too. But through it all, Canon continues to do very well in the market, year after year, decade after decade. Is this just a fluke? I doubt it. The reality is that I think the people at Canon know more about how to build, position, and market cameras better than the armchair "experts" on photography equipment forums!

If you look at Amazon's "Best Sellers in Digital SLR Cameras" list here in the US, the list is dominated by Canon, with the top four positions currently occupied by Canon Rebel DSLRs. And I'm pretty sure the SL1 will find itself somewhere at the top of the list, too.

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Darn, I was hoping they used a larger pentaprism finder forcing Nikon to do it on the eventual D5300.

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Nowerdays you can only rely on Canon to bring disapointment !

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This is the most ridiculous camera anouncement in history....What were they thinkin.....??? Take 650d change the name to 700d...Well I think we can all predict what features 750d will have.. 18mp...9 point af...

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I bet you next year, Canon will re-position some buttons and call it T6i.

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650D upgrade will be xxD or 70D not 700D. 700D is for new comers. XXXD change every 6 months or less then 1 year. Who will follow the change?

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I Dont care about that megapixel war!
its not a new story
5d II to 5d III
550d to 650D
...
all the same shape but different inside!
I prefer a 6 megapixel camera but with a good performance!
its a camera for beginners fella !

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Why do you say it is a camera for beginners ? There are lots of advance photographers use 450D - 650D. Some of us have limited budget. Some of us here cannot afford a $1000+ body.

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I think that canon is running issues with the sleepy top management that they cannot have new innovation . Use sony sensors as nikon and step up from your old sensor 18 mp

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Canon have the lost the plot - BIG TIME. Please people DON't buy these cameras or anything other Canon cameras until they wake up and start to compete with Nikon fully. How Nikon HQ must be laughing right now !

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What is the difference between 650 and 700?

Canon is trying to get some more market share by changing model name.....

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This will be the year of 7:
700D, 70D, 7D2

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750d will come out early next year to replace 700d, in marketing prespective canon just wanna have a new camera (model number game) in reality its just a copy of 650d.
No fools will buy 700d (unless they dont have 550d/600d/650d).
People will just take Nikon d5200 for an upgrade in same class! (very bad move by Canon).
Canon should Watch out for Pentax, K-5 is a quality camera, even better than Canon 7d (check snapsort.com) and K-5 cheaper by 30%!

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Canon will be spending the next year working out which font to use on the new badge.....

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The K5 II is a good camera, but they're essentially doing the same thing. The new K5 II is pretty darn close to the K5 and the same darn sensor. Why did Pentax stick with the same old sensor?

Another thing Canon and Nikon both have over Pentax is lens and accessory selection. If Pentax wants to really be back in the game, they need to offer a much larger selection of glass as well as other things like flash and perspective choices.

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I am fairly new to Canon about 1.5 years now. How do they stay on top with this kind of offering?

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They don't stay on top. Nikon has totally caught them and actually passed them in some markets and types of photography.

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Canon seems to understand the adage that, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." If the T5i is a refinement of the T4i, that may be the smart thing. Spectacular advances in video tracking focus are a difficult thing to implement without going mirrorless or using a transluscent mirror. If people can now buy the T4i for $100 or $200 less, they can be sure they are getting pretty much a "latest and greatest" consumer DSLR.

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I can't wait for the 70D or 7DMKII. Or atleast that is what I keep telling myself every time Canon releases the same rebel camera with a different name.

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You can have a 7DMkII now, just go get a 'Mark II' badge from a old 1D Mk II or a 5D Mk II and stick it on a 7D! then you'll be the envy of every photographer!!

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Going from a T4i to a T5i is not an upgrade. Nor is it an upgrade going from the T3i...or maybe even the T2i!. The touch screen, flip-out screen, wifi this,wiifi that, GPS, scene modes is all fluff, at least to me. Nikon does the same thing with it's D3200/D5200 minus the touch screen but with the addiion of the 24 mp sensor which will draw in crowds that don't know anything about DSLR cameras beyond megapixels. The Rebel line is a great line of starter cameras, but I seriously question why anyone would upgrade to the T5i from a previous Rebel model when you can get yourself into a slightly older but more of a photographer's camera like the 60D.

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After some thought I think I know why Canon released a 650d at a new price. Because of inflation! Grow up, the dollar is becoming more and more a low quality toilet paper.

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Just compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=canon_eos550d&products=canon_eos600d&products=canon_eos650d&products=canon_eos700d
4 cameras, 3 years... and same features!
Same MP, same focus points, same screen resolution, almost same viewfinder, last 3 models have articulated lcd, stereo sound (600d have only mono), the same battery ...
And still, every time the price is higher.
It will not be for research that is behind, right?

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Every camera was a step forward except the 700d. The 650d has the 60d's AF, higher fps, on sensor pdaf. To me, this was a serious upgrade.

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Exactly.

Many people here seem to think a touch display is no new feature. I can tell you it is one of the two features why I didn't buy the Nikon D5200. Getting quickly to *almost any* setting with two touches is a big advantage. The other one is that the Nikon D5200 has no choice of aspect ratios (in LiveView) and only three image sizes, the "smallest" one being 6MP. I often have cases where 2MP is all I need.

I'm not saying the 650D is perfect. I don't like the position of the on/off switch and that it is combined with the video mode. Too often switched to movie mode accidentally. Nikons solution (ring switch around shutter button) is far easier to use imho.

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Ok, for you novices out there. I'd only shoot at max resolution, not a 6 or 2 megapixels ever. That might be all you need at the time, but later you might want a larger image. Memory is too cheap to not always shoot at maximum quality and size. It's way easier to down rez later than to move up to better quality when you don't have it.

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Canon, April Fools' Day is on 1st of April!

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Most companies seem to think that what features counted as premium or nice to have last year can still be premium this year. In a competitive market, most such features if cheap to implement ought to be considered essential by consumers a few seasons after they are developed.

An example of this is wifi connectivity. Within a couple of years, most camera market segments will consider this a necessity and not a 'nice-to-have', forcing the manufacturers to include the feature in order to compete in that marketplace.

Most consumers are daft when it comes to camera specs so the market has fed us non-usm lenses for example for decades when they should have been standard even on budget models years ago.

But stuff like wifi and connectivity, I think more people understand, or I hope so. I think Canon is looking like its asleep.

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canon seems completely down, hopefully it will resume quickly or photographers will go elsewhere. all this is only to make money.

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this is an insult, they think consumers are stupid

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Err.... That's the way I'd bet too. Consumers ARE stupid.

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Over 10k of Canon glass in my kit and this is what they offer up as 'exciting & new' to attach it to.YAWN.The competition is offering more, more, more and we are supposed to be happy about less, less, less.

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If you have 10k in glass, why do you care what's going on in the Digital Rebel line anyway?

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I think its time to throw in the towel with Canon, which I will do as soon as I'm earning decent money again. I'll miss my L glass but what is the point of superb glass when the rest of the camera is a let down? The best thing that can happen is for Canon to lose huge amounts of customers. Then - just may be they'll wake up?

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Was planning to buy the T4i/EOS 650D, think I'll get this one instead. Latest model.

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The T5i is just the routine annual freshening up of the Rebel line with a few tweaks to keep it current and at or near the head of its class, just like the T4i was to the T3i. No surprises here since the Rebel line still outsells its competition by a huge margin, and the new Rebel SL1 will likely make the Rebel line even more dominate.

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This...
A testament that digital cameras are a mature commodity.

Or...
Canon cant create exciting new products.

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Yes - they can the 1DX and 5D3 are cracking - but as a long term Canon fan I find the rest (yes all of them) second rate. The message appears to be spend loads or we sell you half baked products - 'We are Canon love all of our (blind) loyal buyers...'

The SL1 is simply an EOS - M with a viewfinder - wonder if the AF will still be as bad???

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Bit pricey in the UK and can't see much difference with this new model and the previous models 550D - 650D.

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canon is more and more becoming like apple in the Mobile Phone Market :)

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+1. Apple knows...ahem, thinks, they can forever keep their customer base just because they are Apple.

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"Инкубаторщина" да и только... Олимпус ,конечно не лучше, но это же Кэнон

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im sorry but iv had to stop my self from saying this for so long but i would like to see any one you people here make a camera all you do is moan and moan how you shut your mouths and come up with something your self

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You will hardly see anyone complain about a Nikon D7100 or a 7D as those were class leading cameras at the time. This is a sad rehash that Canon will get away with because it has a lot of customers with blind loyalty to the brand.

Take that away and Canon would see its sales drop like a hot potato.

They have been really arrogant in the past few years with under specd cameras (compared to the competition) and lenses with rather high prices allowing the competition to similarly raise prices.

This is all IMO of course.

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This cameras will sell because Canon still has the best system around.

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It's not about what we as individuals can come up with. Individual photographers do not have the resources to prototype and test new hardware, and don't have factories to produce it. Large companies, with huge budgets and substantial R&D staff, have the resources to come up with stuff and are expected to.
When all they can come up with is a new model number with fewer improvements than what's expected in a firmware upgrade, people will be disappointed. And people are even more disappointed because a major competitor (Nikon) is moving forward while Canon is standing still.

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That release is nothing more than a waste of time

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Very Frustrating and Disappointing day....
i was waiting for the arrival of CANON's challenge to Nikon d5200 & d7100..
only to see a new model 700d with minimal improvement and didn't see 70d.
Perhaps, Canon knows that the NEW 70d is NO MATCH to Nikon d7100, that's why they did not release 70d today, prevented humiliation by photography enthusiast.
Now they must be back to the drawing board and figure an upgrade to the New 70d to match Nikons standard.
Without sensor upgrade etc, expect 700d and 70d to just sit on the shelves FOREVER, with webs & dust all over.

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I think that they only released the 700D for it to go along with the new kit lens. Hopefully this means that a 750D won't take long to come out with a new sensor. I mean, the xxD series never had the same sensor, and it's about time for the 60D to get an upgrade.

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Agree!
750d will come out early next year to replace 700d, in marketing prespective canon just wanna have a new camera (model number game) in reality its just a copy of 650d. no fools will buy 700d, people will just take Nikon d5200! (very bad move by Canon).
Canon should Watch out for Pentax, K-5 is a quality camera, even better than Canon 7d (check snapsort.com) and K5 cheaper by 30%!

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I have to agree - I use both Canon (which I prefer) and Nikon and am still using my old Canon 40d as I've seen several newer Canon cameras FAIL to give me a real reason to upgrade. Frankly I do think Canon have lost it which brings me much sadness and attacks from other posters who still haven't woken up to how average Canon cameras are becoming. Nikon however are on a roll (thanks to Sony sensors) the new Nikon D7100 looks VERY interesting....at this rate my next new camera will be an iPhoto... wonder if I can fix my L glass on to it somehow...!

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Is this prevew a copy-and-paste of your T4i preview, with only minor changes too? ;)

See, this approach benefits the whole industry. If canon can badge-engineer their cameras, DPR can badge-engineer their reviews. :)

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Compare this with the GH3.
Panasonic listened carefully to the GH2 users, and then produced a revolutionary camera that is kicking ass as a video camera. The GJ3 easily is in the same league as the 5DMIII but costs only half as much.

As for the 700D, there is absolutely nothing in the image quality department that would even make me consider replacing my now rusty 550D.

Of course, you get a lot of camera for its money, but the 650D or the 600D is a wiser option.

I only now looked at its price... wow... what an insult to common sense!

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> Compare this with the GH3. Panasonic listened carefully to the GH2 users, and then produced a revolutionary camera that is kicking ass as a video camera.

And in the end, 700D will take better stills, have a vastly better selection of lenses, and will cost less.

Yeah, GH3 all the way.

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I'm considering the video mode only. Put an adapter ring on the GH3, and you get access to Canon, Nikon, vintage lenses...

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Nope, the GH3 takes better stills.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/842|0/%28brand%29/Panasonic/%28appareil2%29/813|0/%28brand2%29/Canon

The Canon does have a better selection of lenses of course but it shows that while Canon has persisted with this old sensor the competition has improved and the new Panasonic sensor outperforms the Canon even though the sensor used in the Panasonic is noticeably smaller in size.

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It is like Canon is still gloating in the fact that the 5D MKII was such a huge success. They have decided that they will never make another camera that improves on the 5DMKII.

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I 'd say the 5DMKIII is an improvement, but an expensive one...

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They still enjoy the benefits of 5D2 and 7d. 7d is still unsurpassed by any competitor. If the brand new D7100 had at least 8 fps... but alas.

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The 7D is only unsurpassed if you shoot a lot of fast sports and Need the bigger buffer and 1-2 more fps. For everyone else (I.E. the majority buying these cameras) the D7100 is better than the 7D in pretty much every way.

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Well the A77 does shoot 12 fps.

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A Poker Analogy:

Canon just gave up and Folded their cards even after they had already gone "All in". They bluffed when everyone else was holding Straight Flushes.

The other companies are not going to just stop because Canon says that they are holding the best hand ever.

The number one rule in Poker is that you should always know what cards the other people are holding. Canon seems oblivious to what other options are out there. They bet only based on what cards they are holding in their hands.

I don't even think they look at what cards are on the board much less try to figure out what cards other people are holding.

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ummm since when did Canon start building cameras for you mpgxsvcd? They are not stupid people..they manufacture cameras that a whole lot of people buy...welcome to business. This is not passion - it's just profit driven commercial reality. Google the sales figures..

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I can't say anything positive about this so I just won't say anything at all.

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Does no one else think this may be a minor upgrade just to get numbering system lined up for marketing? 700D, 70D, 7DII? Then the 600 gets removed leaving the 100 in its place (7000D being too like the Nikon D7000). From my point of view (an amateur) I always found it strange that the Nikon D7000 series had a numbering system which seems to suggest an earlier generation than the 3000 and 5000 series.

I know its not true but to a amateur who walks into a shop it could put them off buying the more expensive camera in favour of one which appears to be a newer generation if they lack the background knowledge to know better.

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But they could just as well have released this 700D after the 70D and 7D II. Makes no sense to release it now, with almost no improvements.

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Is this the rumor EOS B? Or will the EOS B be DSLR shaped and mirrorless like the M.

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You can buy a 60D these days for less than what you would pay for this. Much more camera for the money!

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Yeah, but it's bigger and heavier. The new camera is for people who small and smaller with a good-sized sensor. They'll sell a ton of them.

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The 700D is not much smaller than the 60D. You're thinking of the SL1.

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Canon is embarrassing themselves. Its entirely pathetic how long canon is taking in putting out new features/updated components in their product...they are showing that they only care about high end models that come pout the gate severely overpriced. And how is that there is no camera yet that has the built in radio commander for their radio flash that came out a long while ago. If it wasn't for their beaut lenses, and the customer service *(those are critically important, obviously) i would just walk away from those lazy bums.

i actually would get a t4i- its a pretty nice camera- but that grip is WAY small, and if the buttons on the back are so flush it will make it a bit harder to use.

but actually, ill catch one on a fire sale and toss a meike grip on it.

Disgusting and pathetic upgrade.

Lets see what the weenie media does with this...my review would be headlined with the title LAZY GARBAGE.

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well if video is important for you .. you may wanna get t5i instead .. depends ..

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I can tolerate the old image sensor if it got 7D's AF sensor, which is definitely not for the top APS-C model (should have 61-point AF and 10K pixel AE).

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7d's sensor is a noisy, soft mess.

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Then you should get the 7D.

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> Then you should get the 7D.

an over-sized and over-priced entry-level model now.

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Unless the 700D has a significantly improved sensor and/or delivers on phase-detection AF in Live-View, it's a really poor upgrade over the 650D.

Honestly, I knew it was going to be a let down, but not by this much. Waiting on the 70D before I jump ship for Nikon.

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Really disappointed that Canon did not put the Wi-fi feature in the T5i. This technology has been in existence for many years and should have been standard across most Canon models by now! I had a chance to play around with the JVC GZ-EX250 camcorder which has in-built wi-fi. I was able to mount the camcorder at hard to reach angles or on a tripod and capture video using simply using my iphone as a remote monitor/controller. Once you use a camera with inbuilt wi-fi that can be paired to a smartphone, then there's no going back to regular models. Besides, you eliminate all the distortions due to the finger touching the trigger. It may be too late for Canon to wait till the next upgrade cycle to introduce this feature because by then upstarts like Samsung, Panasonic, etc. (who already offer this feature) would have caught up to Canon in camera sensor technologies. Such ask Apple what happens to your market-share/stock price when you keep dishing out phones that have incremental upgrades!

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Did canon just buy way too many of these sensors and they are going to keep using them until they are gone?

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The good thing about Canon bringing out a new camera is,
the old/very,very similar model will be cheaper from now on.
it leaves you with some more money for a better lens ;)
The old model with a better lens will take better pictures,
if that's where you're intersted in ......

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Explanation is so simple. Very few asian companies would dare to use 4 because the word is similar to death. Panasonic and Olympus skipped the number 4. Canon felt Americanized enough to not skip it. But at the same time are keeping true to heritage and letting the 4 RIP in a very early retirement. Thus the best upgrade possible is that the new model no longer brings about bad luck and ill will!

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