Just Posted: Pentax MX-1 hands-on preview: Digital Photography Review

my question would be why pay the same price for this camera, when the xz-2 seems to be very similar yet has more to offer? Customisable control ring; touch screen display; hotshoe; remote shutter control; optional evf (albeit something I probably wouldn't use)....
The MX-1 does look like a good bit of kit to own, but for the same money, the xz-2 seems to be the logical choice. If Pentax reduce the price just a little to reflect this, then I'd give it serious consideration. Unless there is something I've overlooked that the Pentax offers which the Olympus does not? (other than the retro styling)

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Brass top and base-plates...how quaint.

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why not "1" sensor?

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most probably SR.

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To cover a 1" sensor, the current zoom on the MX-1, a f1.8-2.5 have to be twice the size, defeating the whole small, good performing camera concept.

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Also, most cameras take around two years to develop, and Pentax may not have had access to a 1" sensor, two years ago.

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I love Pentax, I have a film MX, but this camera just got upstaged in a big way by the Fuji X20, rendering this almost DOA. A camera with the noble MX name should have an interchangeable lens mount and/or a bigger sensor. But I guess they figure there is no room next to the goofy K-01 and the stupid Q. What a shame.

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You really need to use your inner monologue.

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i think, für 300 Dollar buy the APS-C K-01 -
why the MX?

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A wee bit of OCD, Jack? I notice that you like the give duplicate comments in a number of threads ;D

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Don't agree at all. The MX1 actually looks very nice, and if it has better than average IQ for a 1/1.7" sensor camera, I may just be interested in buying one. I like the design, the lens and the form factor. The backlit 1/2.3" sensor of the Pentax Q is an excellent performer for it's size, so this camera may surprise everyone. If it's as good as the XZ-2 or P7700 IQ wise, it will be a winner for sure.

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@Rusticus
as owner of DSLR I am not interested in buying MILC - whether Q, K1, Canon EOS or anything else. If this cam. would have EVF, I will sell my EX1 and buy this one.
Possibly its about having a set. Compact and DSLR.

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MX was one of my favorite film cameras and still have 2 bodies...... at least they should of incorporated viewfinder in MX1.......

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The articulated(?) LCD seems to make it unnecessarily thick as a brick.

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but also makes it necessarily useful, especially because it doesn't have a viewfinder :)

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just compared the lens to my xz1, looks identical to me .

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You may be onto something here. It's the exact same focal length and apertures. Is it possible Pentax licensed the Oly lens, and added it's excellent SMC coatings to it?

Still this is actually good news as the Olympus XZ1/XZ2 lens is one of the sharpest of any compact.

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Weird no one goes around saying all 50mm lenses are the same because they are 50mm. Anyway I like the look and have come to realize viewfinders on compacts are of limited use and I don't need one. If the sensor on this performs better than the Nikon P7700 then this will suit my purposes.

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It's the same Sony sensor as the P7700 ...

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Yes but Pentax engineers have mastered milking sensors for ultimate IQ better than the competition. And it's backlit - I suspect the IQ of the MX-1 will greatly surpass the P7700.

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At the bottom of the back wheel on the right, there is a remote controler port?. Am I wrong?

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I do think this camera borrows thought from RICOH GRD series, which is the one-hand operationality. This may explain why there is no popular front control ring found on this camera.

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The interface is essentially a copy of the one found in Pentax DSLRs going back a few years.

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The Ricoh GRD doesn't have a control wheel around the lens, but it has an all important front command dial just below the shutter. The GRD also has a solid grip, making it easy to use one handed.

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This smells like an opportunist move by Pentax, a cheap gimmick to cash in on nostalgia for the Pentax 70's era film cameras. Olympus did it with the OM-D, and Pentax thought they would be leaving money on the table if they did not do likewise.

If it sells, more power too them. To me it looks tacky, especially the way the lens and tilting LCD screen parts are just bolted on to the "MX" body with no thought to maintain any stylistic cues.

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>just bolted on to the "MX" body

Good observation.

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Agreed, and furthermore this camera just got upstaged in a big way by the Fuji X20, rendering this almost DOA. A camera with the noble MX name should have an interchangeable lens mount or a bigger sensor. But I guess they figure there is no room next to the goofy K-01 and the stupid Q. What a shame.

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Richard, exactly my thoughts. Looks like a Borg camera, some retro flesh covered here or there by modern electronics. Doesn't look attractive to me at all.

And speaking of the name: I think they wasted iconic MX designation for nothing! It seems there is no one left at Pentax who understands Pentax heritage anymore. If they wanted to shout "retro" but "auto", then more appropriate name for this camera would have been ME-D1, reserving the ME designation for non-interchangeable lens advanced zoom compacts, leaving MX-D1 designation for a compact interchangeable camera system, and perhaps even LX-D1 for an advanced compact with interchangeable lenses (similar logic to the current Fujifilm X20, X-E1, X-Pro1 lineup). But we have Q, so this opportunity has also been wasted.

For this to happen you need strategy. But it seems that all Pentax strategy boils down to calling a board meeting from time to time to ask "what are we going to do next" question. Hence the result(s).

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I am a big fan of Pentax and own many of their cameras, same for Fuji. To me the X20 is more appealing in design. But every Pentax DSLR I worked with worked extremely well, so I would no shout that the MX1 is upstaged yet. Plus I believe street pricing for both models still need to be determined and this could have a great influence. I agree though that the MX label is a little bit out of place here. And to Ivan: I own an LX and it is such an exquisite ultra high end SLR, that I hope it will grace an amazing Ultra High End DSLR from Pentax one day. Imagine, the x1.3 viewfinder of the LX makes the Canon 5D look viewfinder look like Tunnel Vision :-) Reading Comments to Pentax Cameras is more entertaining than those for other brands. Why is that ?
Ah, and I disagree that there is no strategy in the Pentax Product Line Up. To me it seems they design cameras that work nicely and are wonderfully different. Just like Fuji. But other than Fuji, Pentax covers a much wider gamut.

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Let's assume it is exactly the same lens assembly as the Olympus camera. dpreview pretty much says as much. Pentax calls it "SMC Pentax Lens", Olympus proudly labels it "i.Zuiko Digital".

Call me old-fashioned, but that seems like false advertising. I know Pentax and, say, Tokina have pooled resources in the past, and Nikon outsources some of its cheaper lenses also, but, dang it, this is too blatant to excuse!

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The lens is not the same as in XZ-2.

Olympus has f2.1 till 100 mm and 6 aspherical elements. Pentax has 4 aspherical elements and
Pentax has f2.1 at 50 mm, f2.2 at 60mm, f2.3 at 85mm and f2.5 at 112mm

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Here is the Olympus patent of the 6-24mm f/1.8-2.5 lens

http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2010-10-03

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Can't wait DXO test about this sensor. Pentax is sensor tweak master, even the 1/2.3" Q can deal with other 1/1.7" http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/740%7C0/(brand)/Fujifilm/(appareil2)/722%7C0/(brand2)/Pentax/(appareil3)/665%7C0/(brand3)/Canon

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Sadly they haven't yet tested the current 1/1.7" Sony sensor, so that comparison isn't terribly useful. The G12 uses a CCD that was pretty old when the camera was launched.

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yes, interesting to see head to head sony 1/1.7" vs fuji 2/3" anyway here is: cmos Canon S110 1/1.7" vs Q 1/2.3" vs FZ150 1/2.3" http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/838%7C0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/738%7C0/(brand2)/Panasonic/(appareil3)/722%7C0/(brand3)/Pentax

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Canon claims to make the sensor in the S110 (it's FSI CMOS, not BSI), so it's not the Sony.

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Great design with a well hidden viewfinder.

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DNG RAW is a big plus for me, drops right into my existing Lightroom workflow without any fuss. I've never considered a small-sensor compact before, but this one intrigues. I'll be interested in seeing some downloadable RAW samples, and seeing if sufficient quality is there - especially dynamic range.

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Pity that no one uses a digital camera long enough for brassing to occur any more....

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Who says you have to wait for brassing to occur naturally? Just use a bit of manual rubbing, some steel wool, a Brillo pad, etc. to produce the brassing yourself if you want the brassing aesthetic on your camera. Brass it up yourself with a few minutes of elbow grease, stick an old-school leather strap on it, and you're in business.

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Handsome camera - nice job, Pentax! However, the Fuji X20 looks more impressive overall. Of course with the Pentax you have DNG...

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If only Pentax had added removable lenses, like they did with the Q. As it is, this is just one more in large group of 1/1.7 Sony sensored cameras with nothing to make it stand out of the crowd.

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you think Ricoh/Pentax needs ANOTHER lens mount!?!

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No, please no new lens mounts.
We need Pentax to go with a micro 4/3 mount design.
A universal mount, like the old days.

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I'd say not another mount, rather a replacement mount. Q should have never happened with that sensor size IMO. However, introducing APS-C, 1", or m43 compact system by Pentax would compete with their DSLR line (well, with "both" cameras at this point, not counting color combinations). So Pentax needed a solid gap between interchangeable lens compact system and K-mount DSLR system, and here we go, the Q.

Note that manufacturers with no need to protect APS-C DSLR line aggressively innovate in ILC arena, most notably Olympus and Fujifilm. Others are entering that segment just to dig trenches and wait but with no real interest to release innovative products in order to protect their existing "big" cameras.

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I am all in for new enthusiast camera from Pentax with retro design, but ... what does this camera - apart from its design - brings over the Olympus XZ-2?

And once I am a it, my very personal opinion on the design is, that it looks a bit 'unfinished' and potentially not too comfortable to hold. Soon we will know more I guess.

I guess I have just expected a more 'serious' camera from Pentax, rather than a compact. Maybe Ricoh could surprise us instead (they promised so).

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Too bad it doesn't have a viewfinder.

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99.9% of P&S cameras have no VF. EVF = power consumption and less compactness. OVF = useless.

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OVFs are not generally useless. There are good ones, even on cheap cameras. The choice to add a useless one is entirely up to the camera manufacturer, and quite surprising.

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My first P/S, a relative paperweight (Fuji E500) had an OVF. While not perfect, it helped me get a feel for the shot itself, and the scene in front of me... Not as translated by the camera's electronics. Just food for thought, perhaps.

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I think some of us need to get over the idea that every camera needs a viewfinder. None of the compact cameras I own have a viewfinder, and I don't miss it all on these compact cameras. To me, it's as silly as wanting a viewfinder on an iPhone (or other smart phone camera) for taking photos. Rear LCD's provide a nice, beautiful, 100% coverage view of your framed image, which sure beats tiny peephole viewfinders that don't show full coverage.

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I'm one of the pro-VF crowd. It would have made sense to go along with the larger size. These cameras are sometimes almost identical feature-for-feature, so I find myself deciding which one I want depending on one feature like VF, articulated screen, etc.

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I can just see T3 squinting at his iPhone screen while taking a pic at the bar, shouting "I'm a photographer now, gots an iPhone!"

Just kidding. I'm in the pro-viewfinder camp. I hate holding a camera at arms length to compose a shot. Apparently there are others who think that's the only way.

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@toomanycanons - Time to join the 21st century. You're definitely showing your old age. People aren't "squinting" at their iPhone screens while holding their cameras "at arms lengths." Millions of people take tens of millions of photos every day with all kinds of screen-view devices with great success, great ease, and great enjoyment.

I think it's just the older generation who still thinks that using rear screens to compose images is an anomaly or travesty of picture-taking. Ironically, it's actually far more of an anomaly and novelty to see someone "squinting" through a peephole viewfinder while squashing a compact camera to their face in order to take a photo! The current generation probably looks at these oldsters using compact cameras in this manner and says, "Geez, old man, what are you doing? Looks so uncomfortable squinting through that small hole while you have your other eye shut, and contorting your face like that!"

Times change. Habits change. Ways change.

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Do all of you only shoot from eye level? And are any of you under 65 years old? You need to get over the fact that you can't frame a picture without a viewfinder. You seriously need to open your eyes to change once in a while.

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@toomanycanons - "I can just see T3 squinting at his iPhone screen while taking a pic at the bar, shouting "I'm a photographer now, gots an iPhone!"

And BTW, the current zeitgeist of photography is no longer about having a certain "type" of camera that makes you as "photographer" but rather about what you DO with your camera that matters. Great photos are being produced with all manner of devices, including iPhones (just do a google search of "iPhoneography"). Ultimately, talent, vision, perspective, and being at the right place at the right time mean a lot more to real photographers than the hacks who still believe that "real" photographers are defined by a certain type of camera.

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>Times change. Habits change. Ways change.

But triteness endures.

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A VF on a compact is NEVER about framing. It's about steadiness. Especially at longer focal lengths in a breeze. Every tittle of added steadiness makes for a sharper image.

Now they'll be calling me a sharpoholic or whatever. Or they'll say great photos don't have to be sharp. Logic takes it up the wazoo around here.

I wish people would give up the snippiness and try a little empathy. Shed the wisecracks and drill down to facts. Kick your ego in the nuts for a change.

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P.S.

A VF also comes in handy (as a stopgap!) when the LCD is blitzed by the sun.

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As a designer, I would be hard pressed to justfiy an OVF with the current screens we have now. Besides, the lens is a zoom--no use framing with an OVF set at 28mm when you're set at 100mm.

For me it only misses the mark by not taking the best Ricoh and Pentax have to offer like Ricoh's GR Digital's screen, interface and excellent Hybrid AF/Snap mode; and Pentax's Hyper-program and weathersealing .... that and no hot shoe.

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It is about time. It has been a very long time since Pentax has something in the enthusiast nitch. A lot of nice features but missing some important features like a hotshoe and an accessory port for an EVF. The sensor is a little too small for wherethe enthusiast cameras are heading. So it is just another Pentax camera that missed a few key features for me.

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Looks it is based on Olympus XZ-2 hardware. Looking at the side by side pictures, lens matches XZ-2 down to the tiniest details in terms of dimensions and visible components, specs are almost identical too. I like the addition of external exposure compensation dial though, very good, something I missed on XZ-1. Since XZ-2 is a great camera, both sensor and optics, no reason to believe Pentax will disappoint. However, Fujifilm is going to steal the show with X20 in this class.

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Actually I feel 'they' look all the same. The same 'less is more' approach with a touch of retro.

Don't say with this that it is bad...jut wonder if it is a question to safe money on marketing or that it is a true design decision...

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Put a big sensor on it. If they want this to last.

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Are people obsessed with sensor size compensating?

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Bigger is better.

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Buy another camera with bigger sensor and relax.

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I guess the target market is for old folks who care about how the camera looks and not the images it produces.

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I have an MX, and it was probably the best camera of that era that Pentax ever made. I like the looks of this retro interpretation, but this is copying Olympus' approach with the PEN series, hardly original to Pentax.

"takes the unusual step of including brass top- and base-plates - meaning its classic looks should become even more pronounced as it ages"

made me laugh. Really, with the extremely short life of compact cameras (they are upgraded by owners on a very short cycle, a few years at most) the plating is going to have to be rubbish to even start wearing in the life of the camera. Very different from when cameras were used for decades.

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I'm liking this new MX, especially as it recalls my much loved 35mm MX slr. But not to use the excellent Ricoh menu/interface is madness.

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I actually hope it has the same menu system as my K-5, which is far better than my earlier Pentax SLR's. The i-10 menu was awful, but I think it was "off the shelf" rather than Pentax own. As for the Ricoh menu, I have the R8 compact and find the menu awful. If the GXR is better then I stand corrected. But being used to Pentax's recent menu system, I am hoping that the MX-1 has the same as my K-5.

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The Pentax menu isn't bad, but looks a bit clunky to my eyes. I've always liked the Ricoh menu, less colourful, but quick and logical to use. We all get used to the menu on whatever camera we use most at the end of the day...

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Fair point. Like you say we got used to each.
If you get get a camera from the same make, then you are bound to know instantly where to go. I am used to both Pentax menu systems and prefer the newer one. You, as you say prefer the Ricoh one. No problem in that. As long as the menu as a whole is fairly easy to navigate to those who are not users of either, then no problem :-)

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I want one!
There said it. I have waited for Pentax to bring out a prosumer compact for years. Now they have and it is gorgeous!
Who cares about lack of hotshoe. I want one!

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I care! :) But most won't :(

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I already have LX-5, which will do my hotshoe needs apart from my DLSR's and MF, so as walkabout compact that performs, I like the MX-1 too.
Maybe the MX-2 will have one. :-)

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It is a nice looking camera. The edges at each side reminds me of the old film cameras made by Pentax and Minolta (both made beautiful cameras). The handling might be a little retro also though. It needs an eveready case for a good hand grip (that's what I do with my Olympus film OM cameras), since it doesn't have the removable hand grip add-on like the Olympus XZ-2 has.

I think the tapered end at the grip for XZ-2 is not just for modern line, but the thinner middle makes the much thicker end, essentially, a grip, without that recognizable hand grip look. A more subtle design of the modern camera. Many better designed compact cameras (including ILCs) have some sort of contour curves to compensate for the aesthetically pleasing but ergonomically awful thinner bodies.

Can't wait see the result of course. Especially a side by side comparison with the XZ-2.

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Very interesting !
I'm waiting now to see what the IQ looks like.
Comparable to the Pan LX7 and Oly XZ2 ?

rd

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It's cute how all the main makers have a similarly specced camera with a lens ring, wide aperture, 1/1.7 sensor and with a similar name, mostly with an X in it.
Olympus XZ-1
Pentax MX-1
Sony RX-100(1")
Fujifilm XF1
Panasonic LX5
Samsung EX2F
Does Nikon P7700 count there too? It seems too big and no X in the name.

Anyway it's nice to see the old Pentax MX name back in use too.

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No the Nikon doesn't count, no "X" and yes it's too big.

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Like the lovely Pentax Q, did Pentax sprinkle fairy dust on this one and also removed the AA filter.

Yes ladies and gents, like the K5IIs, the Pentax Q does not have an AA filter.

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Well, Pentax bought Ricoh.
In my eye's this is the next Ricoh GR Digital.
Focal length steyed the same, the aperture got a little better (1.9->1.8)
An they gave it a zoom lens!
And of course they built in the typical Ricoh 1cm macro!

Well done Pentax!

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I think you'll find Ricoh bought Pentax.

There are also disappointingly few Ricoh fingerprints on this camera. If it had the GRD interface (still one of the best compact camera interfaces) we'd be a lot more excited.

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Ricoh wasn't an overachiever in film cameras but with digital, they sure hit all the marks with their interface, ergonomics and LCD.

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Good move from Pentax but nothing exciting or "revolutionary"...

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Next time, Pentax - Let's Go All the Way. Manual zoom, hot shoe, a little glass viewfinder, and some decent-looking dials (these look terribly cheap).

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Little glass viewfinders are pointless, other than to say you got one. It really is ok to take pictures without looking through a little box.

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@Cane

I thought so too, until I started using the little glass viewfinder on my Olympus C7070 after having owned the camera for a couple of years. The viewfinder let me frame in bright light. Thus there is a point to little glass viewfinders.

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@ bobbarber... What a cool looking old camera (the 7070). The MSRP was $700 in 2005...Holy Crap! How does it shoot?

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@mytake,

I sold my C7070 last year for a move. I wish I hadn't.

As far as "how it shoots", it would be considered to have slow autofocus and slow raw write times by today's standards. Manual focus was problematic. Flash, ISO, etc. adjustments were easily made on the fly.

Images were first class. It printed as good as any DSLR at 8x10. Even at 13 x19 it was good. Macro was excellent.

It had magnesium body, a little glass VF (incredibly useful, despite what people are saying in this thread), articulated screen, lots of dedicated buttons, flash hotshoe, raw file format, lots of accessories including underwater housing, wide and tele adapters, all of which I had.

I bought mine for something like $400 in 2005, and it was still going strong last year.

I'd like to see a camera like the C7070 again. Not as big as a superzoom, but not as small as XZ-2. Let's say, coat-pocketable, with ALL the bells and whistles, and a durable chassis. I'm OK with a small sensor.

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OVF and hotshoe for P&S cameras are almost useless. IMO.
99% of users never use it.

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Disagree on both counts. You might be right about the 99%, though.

A hotshoe is "useless" on a camera with flash sync at any shutter speed? (I'm assuming this camera syncs at all shutter speeds; most of these enthusiast point and shoots do.)

And a viewfinder is "useless" in bright light? I found the crappy viewfinder on my Olympus C7070 indispensable, once I smartened up enough to start using it.

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Did anyone mention price? If it's priced like an XZ-2, I think it's DOA. If it's fairly cheap, it could be an attractive alternative.

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499 USD as start price is not bad.

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This looks like a great camera. I am just having a hard time getting excited about it since everyone else launched similar cameras up to 2 years ago. Around the time the Fujifilm X10 came out, this would have been a home run. Now it kinda feels like just an on base hit.

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Belatedly joining the Fujifilm X-series bandwagon ...

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men remain always babies !
So,, the camera looks strong and beautiful.. but I'd like an optical viewfinder too..
Love the classic looks,,,

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Thanks, Pentax.
This is the one that I have been waiting for a decade.
I hope that the K-02 will take the same course and look as this MX-1.

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This past fall at PhotoPlus, a Pentax rep told me that Pentax would have a new ILC in the spring. I gathered from our chat that they would not use the K-01 design. I think this MX-1 could be a preview. Interesting that they revived the MX logo in a compact. Maybe there's a reborn LX in the works? Maybe they'll save that for a new ILC?

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Wha, wha, wha! OMG! I have never seen such a set of cry babies in my life. Could you all whine any more about every little thing? It's comical if not sad. Get a life people. It's just a camera, not your heart valve replacement. Why do old men complain about everything? If it doesn't look retro they complain, if it does they complain, if there a tilt screen they complain, if their isn't they complain, if there a hot shoe they complain, if there isn't they complain. Did your cats not find their liter box this morning?

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Does whining on a forum about other people whining on the forum constitute a meaningful life then?

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Probably many of the whiners work for other camera companies.

It wouldn't be a bad guess that you are associated with Pentax.

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If you want a retro look, dig up the blueprints from the 50's (What Fuji did apparently)
I'm sorry, but the MX-1 looks like it's designed by a committee.

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" classic looks should become even more pronounced as it ages"
Yeah? I thought cameras had a life expectancy of about 18 months these days so it'll have to brass up quickly.

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I expect you will be able to get a special edition distressed model, which means you can experience that well worn look before it reaches its time to self destruct.

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My thoughts exactly.

Or the camera retail package may contain a 1200 grit sand paper and Cape Cod polishing cloth packed as an optional accessories?

:-)

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Obviously, no one here is a guitar player. Gibson and Fender sell "aged" "road worn" instruments that have been pre-trashed at the factory, and you pay a hefty premium to get a guitar that's been thrown down a flight of stairs.

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I am, I have a Gibson Gold Top '57 VOS. No dings but 'pre-aged' hardware.

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Pentax version of the XZ2. Too bad it does not have the hot shoe and EVF port of the XZ1/XZ2.

I think Pentax designers must only use cameras indoors or on cloudy days. Only explanation for continued lack of EVF... K-01, Q/Q19, and not MX-1

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"I think Pentax designers must only use cameras indoors or on cloudy days."
I think this is true of nearly all camera designers. I hope as prices go drop and electronics shrink, we'll see more cameras with EVF's.

As much as I love my E-PL2, there are days when I take my 5-year-old Canon Powershot out instead because I know I'll need a viewfinder (and refuse to purchase an easily lost add-on).

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I have no problem with Pentax using the (presumably Sony) 1/1.7" sensor in their camera. It has proven a good performer in the other cameras where it has been used.

What I really think Pentax should've done to really distinguish it from the crowd, given its reputation for affordable weather-proofed options, is given the camera weather-sealing. Even if it meant the price approaches the RX100, it would be something unique in this crowded field of cameras.

One thing I do like is that they use DNG as their RAW format..meaning you can get your new MX-1 and start shooting and processing RAW photos right away.

But I will reserve final judgement until I get my hands on it and shoot with it. It's tempting to dismiss just based on looking at the specs...but it could end up being a very enjoyable camera to use. Especially if the AF system is halfway decent for this class.

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Yes, DNG is an excellent move.

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Hotshoe...why? With a lens this fast who uses flash? Well done Pentax

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you can use wireless trigger for external flash(es)

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"With a lens this fast who uses flash?"

Photographers.

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You mean photographers that don't know how to use natural light.

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Well I prefere natural light, but sometimes (in my case seldomly) you have to use a proper flash.
You almost can't take that thing to a studio because of the missing hotshoe...

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Not all "natural light" is good for photography. A little fill flash can clean up an image immensely especially with all overhead lighting. f/1.8 isn't all that fast considering the f/0.95-f/1.2 primes availavle, especially when you consider the small sensor.

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A small compact PnS camera would be nice for my caving but I do need a hotshoe for my radio trigger to fire my remote flashes. Weather-sealing would be great. An accessory port for an EVF would be nice. WIFI connectivity would be nice. So far this camera does look cute but it also seems like it specs was from a camera that was released a year ago. This is nothing to differeciate it from cameras released a year ago.

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People keep insisting on putting DSLR features on P&S cameras.. (sometimes I do that too, lol).

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I think RICOH-Pentax has said that the manufacture of compact camera will be left only to Ricoh...

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Herd: "Gotta have a hotshoe." And pocketable too? Really now. A compact camera with an oversized flash or viewfinder mounted on a hotshoe makes it top-heavy, awkward, and vulnerable to damage. It's like putting a boat or a luggage crate atop a Mini Cooper or Smart.

As for the choice of a 1/1.7" size lens, as opposed to a 1" one, it remains to be seen whether the 1" doesn't confine a camera to having a narrow aperture, except at the shortest focal length, or else need to be as big as a Nikon V/J device.

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I agree...who cares about a hotshoe on a P&S with a 1/1.7 sensor. This type of camera is all about portability. If I want to use an external flash I'll shoot with my DSLR.

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Totally agree with Clint

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So don't use it! People will complain about anything.

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Cane...seems you missed the point. This camera doesn't have a hotshoe...as per someone else's complaint. We are saying...who cares...so we are on the same page.

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As long as the in-built flash works well enough I would not notice the absence of a shoe.

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The Q has a hotshoe, but then again, that's an ILC.

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So they make a great looking P&S and then tack on a cheap looking tiltable screen....ughh. Am I the only one who doesn't want a tilting screen on my camera?? So much unnecessary depth added to the camera.

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"Am I the only one who doesn't want a tilting screen on my camera?"

Yes, you are.

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Somehow I think you're wrong...

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"Am I the only one who doesn't want a tilting screen on my camera?"
No, you're not.

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yes, you are the only one. Probably because you are over 65.

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Cane....I may have the intelligence of someone over 65 but in fact I am only 40:) Seems to me that you are likely the one over 65 if you need a tilting screen....

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If only there were cameras out there you could buy that didn't have a tilting screen.

Oh, wait...

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The added depth is really minimal. The difference between the Olympus e-pm1 with fixed screen and e-pl3 with tilt screen is 3mm. Hardly enough to affect pocketability/portability at all in most cases.

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The tilt-o-screen belongs on a big camera, not a small one.

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A tilting screen is essential for anyone over 65, so the camera can be held in a stable way at arm's length. Most compacts are useless for anyone over 45, in fact.

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Tilting screens are becoming the rage among the 17-to-33.3 demo.

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i was so glad that the Pentax K-5 didn't have a tilting screen. i totally agree that this camera would be better without one.

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I don't understand why Pentax is so intent on designing and marketing higher end cameras around a tiny 1/1.7" sensor at a time when most photo enthusiasts are moving to larger sensor cameras in this market segment. The Sony RX-100 with a much larger 1" sensor appears to be smaller and lighter than this clunky Pentax MX-1 retro design.
Unfortunately, It appears that the Pentax acquisition by Ricoh has not improved the marketing savvy of the old Pentax, and the MX-1 (like the Pentax Q), will be yet another poor selling over-priced camera with a tiny 1/1.7" sensor for a very small niche market. Too bad the more savvy and technology innovative Fujifilm did not acquire the Pentax camera division. Oh well....

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No. Only sony moved to 1' sensor. LX7, XZ2, P7700, S110, Samsung whatever... they all remain at 1/1.7.
Well, fuji has half moved to a larger sensor.

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Do you have a source or any evidence for your statement "most photo enthusiasts are moving to larger sensor cameras in this market segment"?

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I'm an enthusiast.....I'm moving to a larger sensor for my pocketable camera (RX100)...so obviously jonikon is correct:) Really, it's all about me.

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First Sony RX100 replaces all other cameras posting. I think we all get the message so please give it a rest.

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Well Greynerd...the RX100 is really the benchmark for this segment...hard not to compare other cameras to it..

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I moved to m-4/3 for my small camera. No more small sensor p&s cameras for me.

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A camera for enthusiast sector and no hotshoe? Ok Pentax.

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The logo uses exactly the same type-face as my 1979 Pentax MX; surely mine was number 1, this should be MX-2 :-)

Mine has a hotshoe!

Comment edited 33 seconds after posting

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It's fully auto ... why not "ME Super 2"
Oh wait, it has to have "X" in the name.
[never mind] ;->

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