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Major update to dpreview forums coming soon: tell us what you think

By dpreview staff on Sep 27, 2012 at 23:04 GMT

In an ongoing effort to improve the performance and user experience on dpreview, we've rewritten and redesigned the forums, and will be launching the new version in a few days. From a look-and-feel standpoint, we made an effort to stay faithful to the core of the old design (no point throwing out the bits that work well) and from a functional standpoint, we focused on adding, rather than removing features.

The new forums look a bit different (nicer, we think) and are built on totally different code, so there will inevitably be a few things you'll have to get used to. Below you'll find some images of the new design and descriptions of what's new, and what's been changed. We encourage you to provide feedback, positive or critical, as we make the finishing touches. We're nearly ready, but if there's anything we've missed, we want to know before this goes live. 

As we set out on what ended up being the major task of redesigning our forums, we had two main goals. As well as adding some long-overdue features that bring our forums into the 21st Century, we also focused on addressing the most common comments and criticisms that we get in user feedback.

For example, there is a lot of great information and advice shared in the forums every day, but it is often difficult to find. To solve this, we implemented a number of new navigation and design aspects that will both help users find what they were looking for, and hopefully, discover a few things along the way.

Here's a quick outline of the new forums - please let us know what you think.


Top-level forum pages:

The new forum index pictured above shows off the new color schemes and increased spacing that pervades the rest of the forums design.

Posting and viewing pages:

The posting and viewing pages have also been substantially reworked:

The posting panel is now a full WYSIWYG interface, with buttons on the right for directly linking to an image on the internet, for uploading from your computer or for pulling an image from your dpreview gallery.

The main viewing screen has a number of changes. Dots next to each post appear white for unread posts and turn grey once read. At the forum level, partially-read threads will be represented by half-white dots. Note also the ability to preview a post by hovering over the post.

The record of which posts you've read will now be stored on our servers, not in your browser, so the read status of threads will be correct whatever device you log-in on.

Questions and Answers

For years we've been discussing ways in which we could make it easier for users can find the information they are looking for on dpreview in general, and the forums specifically. We've made some progress on our product search and comparison tools, but we recognize that forum threads often contain extremely useful information on a wide range of topics, and it isn't exposed very well. To this end, we've introduced a new thread type, 'Questions', which enables you to specifically mark a post as a question.

Once you're happy that the question has been answered, you can mark the best, most useful response as a 'top answer' for all to see. We plan to begin displaying the top questions throughout the site on product pages and widgets to help existing users and newcomers find the most interesting and useful posts.

The original poster can identify which response best answers their question. Once marked as answered, subsequent visitors can jump straight to the selected answer.
The selected answer post is clearly marked, but can be de-selected if a better answer is given later. Answered and unanswered threads are easily visible and can be used as filters, so you can find questions still in need of an answer.

User and post ranking

It has been a long time coming, but, we've added user rankings into user profiles. In this initial version a user's ranking is defined simply by the number of posts they've made and the date they signed up. However, in the near future we will be incorporating a considerably more complex logic which uses forum and site activity to influence ranking.

Additionally, we've incorporated ratings into the forums, so as you browse through threads you can up- and down-vote posts. This will later be tied-in to user rankings and will also allow us to add a feature to rank posts by popularity - making it easier to get to the most interesting threads.
Individual posts can be up- or down-voted. Note also the white dots for unread posts and
Each post has voting tabs. Votes on the original post appear at forum level.

We realize that many users are so used to the existing design, for better or for worse, that we wanted to provide some options that will help put the choice in your hands as to how the forums work for you.

There's an option for a collapsed view, which more closely resembles the current forum view. And, at the bottom of the page, an option to view in the legacy custard colorscheme.

Full list of changes

New features:

  • WYSIWYG text editor (no more markup)
  • New 'Question and Answer' threads
  • New 'breadcrumb trails' and quick-jump navigation at the top of each page
  • New (larger) buttons for creating threads 
  • New search bar, removing an extra click
  • Voting on threads and individual posts
  • The ability to preview a post by hovering over it with your mouse
  • User rankings
  • Community mods – better moderation, based on feedback
  • Image viewer mode / lightbox for going through image (or text) heavy posts
  • More filter options and an easier-to-use feedback form for 'For Sale' threads
  • Direct upload of images into forum posts
  • Dialogs to insert image from web, from file, and from gallery
  • Read status of threads persistent across devices

 General style changes:

  • Fonts and rows are larger throughout the forums
  • Search is more prominent throughout forums
  • Compact view mode which condenses more posts vertically
  • A legacy color mode enabling users to view in yellow rather than blue
  • Improved icons throughout the forums
  • More keyboard shortcuts
  • More filter options
  • Post contents will be hidden if down-voted enough
  • User can one-click subscribe to thread updates
  • Ability to hide posts' 'subject' in threaded view (avoiding repetitive “Re: Subject” titles if subject is unchanged)
  • More prominent actions (Reply, Quote, etc.)
  • Easier to use controls for managing your 'For Sale' thread
  • EXIF (if available) from all sources of attached images

The key thing to realise though, is that, while these initial changes may not seem huge, they represent only the visible aspect of the months of hard work that has gone into totally re-coding the forums. There is a lot of data in the forums and we prioritized speed and consistency in how we approached this upgrade.

The old forums were originally written in 1999 and have done an admirable job in helping to build and foster the dpreview community into what it is today. But the software industry has come a long way since then, and adding new features onto a software platform that is no longer supported, as well as maintaining it was not an option if we wanted to provide new and exciting features to the community.

Now that the new forums are using a software platform with modern conveniences, we can react quickly to feedback provided by the community and easily add new features. (Different 'skins' for instance)

Comments

Total comments: 698
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MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (Sep 28, 2012)

As a UX guy, my immediate comment is that due to the similar (greyish) colour theme, it is difficult to tell the state of the [Expanded] and [Collapsed] controls. IE, which one is 'ON' and which is 'OFF'. Some solutions/ideas:

1. Use a proper 3D 'bas relief' effect to indicate whether a button is depressed (ON) or popped out, (OFF).
2. Place a little 'LED' indicator on each button (ideally, within the button on the left hand side to the left of the button caption). Green for ON, grayed out for OFF.
3. Put a little pointy arrow icon on the left. Arrow pointing down = Expanded. Pointing to the right = Collapsed.

Or a combination of all the above!

Hope that helps. No time to look at the other changes, got to get back to work. Deadlines! :P

@oflife

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
7 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

Great suggestions. I think it'll be pretty obvious which button is selected based on the content below it, but it's the little things that count and I'll look into making the buttons easier to discern.

0 upvotes
Dafffid
By Dafffid (Sep 28, 2012)

Suggestion 3

The ability to move threads from one forum to another. The voting should include a Move option, with posters requesting a thread to be moved to another forum (which they specify in the comments).

1 upvote
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

Mods will have that ability.

0 upvotes
Dafffid
By Dafffid (Sep 28, 2012)

Suggestion 2

You should consider adding two new categories:
Canon v Nikon Talk & Canikon v the Rest Talk - separating the endless warfare and trolling from the rest of discussions. Such threads will never disappear, and sometimes are useful and even funny, but if they were kept in their own space, they might be more welcome. Nearly every dpreview reader I studied photography with at Uni gave up on the forums long ago, tired of the chanting from the terraces.

2 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Sep 28, 2012)

This would only weak more trolling. For example: why not Canon, Nikon, Sony vs The Rest?! etc....
That's a very dumb idea only provoking more trolls then there are now.

1 upvote
Dafffid
By Dafffid (Sep 28, 2012)

It's not provoking them, they're there already. But it's allowing those who enjoy such debates (and there clearly are many who enjoy it, or they wouldn't keep on doing it), to enjoy themselves away from other discussions. It's a bit like licensing boxing, but not allowing people to punch each other in the bar. If it carries on in a designated area, you can just leave that area well alone without feeling the need to avoid the forums altogether.

1 upvote
Dafffid
By Dafffid (Sep 28, 2012)

Suggestion 1

As so many threads are making or asking for comparisons between models perhaps you should consider adding a couple of new groupings. The most obvious would be:
Large Sensor Compact Talk - which would give a sensible home to the RX1, RX100, X100, Sigma DPs and so forth. (Possibly the Ricoh GXR might belong in there, depending on how you view it)

0 upvotes
Marianne Oelund
By Marianne Oelund (Sep 28, 2012)

A few questions:

Will it be possible to add product tags to our past posts?

Will thread/post voting be available on posts created prior to the forum update?

Search filters I'd love to have: Restrict search to a specific username, and date-range filter. It often happens that an older post I've made will answer a current question, and I'd like an easier way to find them.

2 upvotes
Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Sep 28, 2012)

Good points.

1 upvote
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

Will it be possible to add product tags to our past posts?

Yes, but not on this iteration. This will follow shortly.

Will thread/post voting be available on posts created prior to the forum update?

Yes!

Search filters I'd love to have: Restrict search to a specific username, and date-range filter. It often happens that an older post I've made will answer a current question, and I'd like an easier way to find them.

Well noted.

0 upvotes
Tan68
By Tan68 (Sep 28, 2012)

voting up/down and hiding unpopular posts will help smooth out responses from more ardent members.

it would be nice to see no indication of an ignored user. some responses to a post by an ignored user are actually helpful and i would like to see them. however, i would prefer to not see embedded quotes from the ignored user...

maybe options for degree of 'ignorability' can be added..? block only posts with 'dislike' but not all posts or block all posts, etc.

occasionally, in flat view it is impossible to know for whom a reply is intended without threaded view..

if there is no quoted text, auto-adding the name of the user being.. not quoted at the top of the new post would help. breadcrumbs to hop up/down the directly related posts in flat view would be nice.. mini thread view for preceding and subsequent posts.

posted below and i agree (also did 'Like'):
"...a count of how many readers , not just repliers."

"Dislike is too negative..." maybe 'helpful' & 'not helpful' ?

2 upvotes
WT Jones
By WT Jones (Sep 28, 2012)

The new forum looks good in general. It has needed some updating for a long time.

The Feature I want is to be able to edit my post more than once or for a longer time.

4 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

1) I wish your normal site comments had a dislike button as you're planning for the forum.

2) WYSIWYG, to me, is a gimmick that encourages trolly behaviour. Mileage may vary.

3) Inspiration seems to have come from Yahoo Answers and StackOverflow - just saying. I understand that you probably couldn't just use the StackOverflow platform as it might not fit around your legacy content.

4) Inclusion of folksonomy is good - following amazon here.

5) Needs clarifying what a question is as users will not necessarily read this article to understand that it allows selecting a best answer, whereas a thread is presumably without this feature.

6) "View the answer" - very good.

7) Making stuff larger - no thank you, I use a laptop! You're giving me scroll disease.

8) User rating needs an opt-out for privacy.

9) Filtering out "competitor content" remains ridiculous, sorry! Major #FAIL #NEEDSCHANGING

1 upvote
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

10) Proper threaded view is a good move, wasn't enjoying the permanent clickery to bring up post texts.

1 upvote
minim3
By minim3 (Sep 28, 2012)

I like DPR a lot,but always found the forum kind of astrange,leta hope,the update makes it conortable...

0 upvotes
Merowech
By Merowech (Sep 28, 2012)

I like the changes.
The one thing I've been missing (or maybe just missed) is an option to view the threaded view with all posts opened, or call it the flat view with answers moved a bit to the right depending on which post they refer to.

3 upvotes
JohnnyWashngo
By JohnnyWashngo (Sep 28, 2012)

Looking rather good. I will reserve judgement until after I had used it in anger ;)

0 upvotes
timedrun
By timedrun (Sep 28, 2012)

Decent, thanks.

0 upvotes
beneix
By beneix (Sep 28, 2012)

Bravo! Very glad to see something happening with the forums, not because I thought anything was badly broken but because it gives me hope you will also address a key issue to make them more valuable. I know Jim has already stated this below, but it is sufficiently important that I want to repeat it here:

The no.1 thing these forums need is proper moderation. The noise that trolling creates makes it difficult to get through to the nuggets of wisdom, insight and friendly banter that forums should be about.

I share some of the concerns below that the user rating and post voting malarky is in place of proper moderation. I hope I will be proven wrong.

5 upvotes
scotbot
By scotbot (Sep 28, 2012)

Excellent. We need to be able to use the BBcode or HTML code from Flickr to insert images within posts, as on almost every other board on the Internet!

1 upvote
Martin Datzinger
By Martin Datzinger (Sep 28, 2012)

Finally we get rid of those 90's style pseudo-3D borders :D

Seriously. I very much like the Q/A system.

User ranking? Don't know. Better implementation of the ignore facility would be nicer IMO. As soon as I flag someone to ignore, I don't want to see anything from him anymore. If a member's ignore flag exceed a certain number, his visibility should be lowered for everyone.

About the threaded vs flat view debate: It really is as old as internet forums themselfes. I guess a significant amout of internet bandwidth has been wasted on this topic ;) Personally, I use threaded view, even if hardly anyone writes sensible subject lines. But it really is an extinct concept. It is theoretically sound, but I guess there is a reason why it died out. Lazyness, probably. But the bigger problem is, that both completely incompatible modes are available for choice. Stick to one. If that mean's I'll have to adapt to flat view, so be it. I do hope though, that then people learn how to quote.

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1 upvote
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (Sep 28, 2012)

Getting rid of tree view would probably make me not use the site.

0 upvotes
Javier Daz
By Javier Daz (Sep 28, 2012)

Any plans to make the new forums compatible with tapatalk?
Anyway they look very promising. Waiting to use them.
Good luck.

1 upvote
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

No.

1 upvote
nathanhw
By nathanhw (Oct 1, 2012)

Disappointing to hear, but if there is another mobile solution, I guess that's almost as good. But why re-invent the wheel?

0 upvotes
harry2007
By harry2007 (Sep 28, 2012)

No mobile version?

0 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

It will be, very soon. Part of the change is to make Forums easier for skinning.

1 upvote
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Sep 28, 2012)

Product tags are a great idea.

Currently the first page of thread titles on the ‘Canon EOS-1D / 1Ds / 5D’ forum has the following appellations for just one popular camera, from top to bottom omitting repeated variants:

5DIII
5d3
5D3
5d III
EOS 5D Mark III (finally! Thank you, rob Ernsting)
5D III
5D Mk III
5D mkIII

This is for a big product from a brand that consistently labels its products in marketing materials. When you get into things like obscure Elinchrom light modifiers, products with stupid characters like the + sign in their name, products with inconsistent branding (e.g. Nikkor lenses!), or products that don’t really have an accepted title (e.g. the original 5D, which people subsequently labelled 5D Classic or worse), things get out of control.

It’s basically impossible to comprehensively search for anything these days. Tags should help greatly.

I like the other ideas too, as long as they’re easy to use in practice.

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
3 upvotes
Trevor Carpenter
By Trevor Carpenter (Sep 28, 2012)

I love all these comments and the way they show that for every person you please you upset another. I don't often feel sorry for politicians but they have this problem every day.

A couple of points of my own.
What's all the fuss about flat and threaded I use both in different circumstances and the default is whatever I left it as
The one thing I miss compared to other forums is a count of how many readers , not just repliers. It puts a lot of perspective around the importance of the subject to the general reader.

3 upvotes
scotbot
By scotbot (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes, number of views would be very useful

2 upvotes
Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (Sep 28, 2012)

I agree, a view counter will be GOOD:

0 upvotes
aardvark7
By aardvark7 (Sep 28, 2012)

Just go with it!

You'll never please all of the people all of the time and you appear to have put a lot of time and effort into this, so why waste it?

The only other suggestion is to agree with the point about a thread/flat view toggle. It is clear there are two polar views (I'm a threaded man myself), so you would alienate one camp if it wasn't available.

Put in a simple toggle (space bar?) and it would be good to go.

2 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (Sep 28, 2012)

Some one has already mentioned this, but I think it would be better to rename the dislike button. Dislike is too negative for those occasions where a post is simply irrelevant or repeating earlier information.

3 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

Nitpicking. Irrelevant AND repeating earlier information.

0 upvotes
Tan68
By Tan68 (Sep 28, 2012)

perhaps, this is a time you would prefer to press the 'dislike' button for BaldCol's post rather than adding to the many, many posts here?

since DPR is looking for suggestions and, i guess, a way to judge their popularity, i don't think BaldCol's post was entirely.. not helpful. it may have been better for him.her to just press like on the post being referenced since he.she didn't propose an alternative above.

i haven't read all the replies here. it is possible someone has already labeled this request to rename the 'dislike' button as nitpicking. i hope your post was original content ;^)

0 upvotes
BaldCol
By BaldCol (Sep 28, 2012)

Contrary to an earlier post, I think the threaded view is much more useful than the flat view which I never use so I hope this will remain the default.

2 upvotes
Edoveral
By Edoveral (Sep 28, 2012)

It seems like a nice upgrade.

Will you be looking into making the forum more 'mobile device'-friendly?

1 upvote
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes! Not on this iteration, but very soon.

1 upvote
Vlad4D
By Vlad4D (Sep 28, 2012)

I would be happy if "An error has occurred" bug in forums is finally fixed. Constantly happens to me when I am logged in.

1 upvote
Jonathan Mac
By Jonathan Mac (Sep 28, 2012)

Please make the flat view the default. It currently isn't if you go to a thread from the main DPR page (the most popular threads). I find the non-flat view absolutely useless and I don't know why it even exists.

The changes look good in general though.

Comment edited 28 seconds after posting
15 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

While others think the flat view is 'absolutely useless'.
Please retain the current default.

2 upvotes
Tan68
By Tan68 (Sep 28, 2012)

on one side we gots the Big-enders and on the other side we gots the Little-enders.. :^)

1 upvote
ck3
By ck3 (Sep 28, 2012)

"I find the non-flat view absolutely useless and I don't know why it even exists."

That's painfully obvious from your habit of replying in the middle of a thread in the forums (if you want to reply to the OP click on reply under his post, not under the last posted message) ;-)
I wish people would spend some time learning how to use the forum software before stating what is necessary and what not.

3 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (Sep 28, 2012)

Ever heard of nested posts? That's why someone invented it. To view everything, but with a proper hierarchy.
Current implementation on DPR forums is most odd and counter-intuitive way of displaying forum topics I ever seen, ANYWHERE in the internet. Even old discussion groups made more sense then the crap that exists here now.

2 upvotes
sacredhonour
By sacredhonour (Sep 28, 2012)

I am with most of the others, and single view threaded as default is horrible. I ignore the DPReview forums because of this. It is too annoying to click through topics and their replied and not just see everything at once.

If you want to maintain a threaded view, make it so you see all of the posts without having to click but can see the thread trails. A good example of this is the comments section at Dailytech.com

Personally though, I much prefer a flat-view like 99% of the forums in use on the internet today. Outside of DPReview, I don't think I have seen single view threaded messages since dialing into BBS's.

0 upvotes
Deleted78792
By Deleted78792 (Sep 28, 2012)

Please create a 'Yawn' button instead of a dislike button. Would create less negativity. Also ration the 'yawns' per user to say, 30 a month, with no carry forwards.

And then provide the users an option to hide them yawned at posts!

Time for my nap.

7 upvotes
paulwright
By paulwright (Sep 28, 2012)

Canon Rumors became a much friendlier place when they dumped the Karma system. It got ugly. Likes are fine, but any opportunity to lash out with negativity just lowers the tone. Yawn? Interesting concept....

3 upvotes
dominikpl72
By dominikpl72 (Sep 28, 2012)

Just a very important remark from me:
Add a keyboard shortcut for "Flat view" in a thread - PLEASE PLEASE
I know the letter F is busy with "Forum" shortcut but it can be any other (A or T from flAT ore my favorites).
Why - when I read the first post in the thread and I find the thread interesting and see many answers - then I often want to have a look on all answers. And in my case - "flat view" - is the most used link, in my case much more than "Previous", "Next", "Next new" shortcuts.
I will gladly see the other people opinion on that functionality - if You miss it and find it useful - I encourage You to support my request - please send replies to my message :)

Comment edited 42 seconds after posting
9 upvotes
Plasmoic
By Plasmoic (Sep 28, 2012)

look nice...
any plans to make it available on mobile platforms?
(if it is give it to my poor searching skills:) )

3 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Sep 28, 2012)

Any chance for a more rational / forward looking naming convention for the different forums?

The "Nikon D90 - D40 / D7000 - D3000 Forum" and such like gets more ridiculous with each model release!

8 upvotes
robert1955
By robert1955 (Sep 28, 2012)

In combination with the product tagging I think this is now possible. With Nikon something like "Nikon midlevel DX" and some current model names in the subtitle

0 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 28, 2012)

That is something we've been working on (it's not always as simple as it sounds, especially with any inconsistency between brand being interpreted as a slight).

0 upvotes
xpanded
By xpanded (Sep 28, 2012)

Please make it possible to change colours and text so that background is white and text is black to like on rangefinderforum. If already possible please advice. Thanks in advance.

4 upvotes
qba1212
By qba1212 (Sep 28, 2012)

Have you guys done any usability tests and/or in-depth interviews on new forum prototypes early in the design process? The new functionality sounds promising and my guess is that you have done some user research about the goals and needs that drove the new functional specification.
It's hard for people to imagine using things by looking at static pictures. It's great nonetheless that you're showing your designs. There may be some valuable input among all the comments. I'd take opinions with a grain of salt though. It' more valuable to actually observe people using your products than asking about their opinions.
Great work!

0 upvotes
rondom
By rondom (Sep 28, 2012)

Quantification-mania at dpreview...It started with awards for cameras. Bronze, silver, gold...
Then came percentages....
Then came "likes" for comments
It was time for forums to adopt.
Jimmyprimelens68 silver award 78%
Pros:
-precise answers to questions
- fanboy with a touch of rationality
Cons:
- can get touchy from time to time
Who is he good for:
Enthusiast who is willing to spend fun times at forums
Not so good for:
-seasoned forum professional seeking challenging and combative atmosphere

26 upvotes
Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (Sep 28, 2012)

I "liked" you comment. If you get 3 more you'll get a bronze award!

3 upvotes
TheEye
By TheEye (Sep 28, 2012)

Great, you just got another "like."

1 upvote
Samuel Dilworth
By Samuel Dilworth (Sep 28, 2012)

The trouble is, this is the kind of thing that gets ‘liked,’ yet it adds nothing to the discussion except grammar mistakes and off-topic humour.

Hey, I ‘liked’ it myself, since it’s pretty funny – which just proves my doubts about the ranking system.

3 upvotes
Tan68
By Tan68 (Sep 28, 2012)

Bookmarked !!!!!

as far as bookmarks.. some post titles don't lend themselves to easy retrieval of info by reviewing a list of bookmarked posts.

since some user info will be stored on server, could we add tags or the new product tags to our bookmarks..?

maybe rename the title of a bookmarked post? i mean rename it virtually in our list and not the actual post itself.

whew, got me back on task !

0 upvotes
Forever Young
By Forever Young (Sep 28, 2012)

New features look very interesting, good luck to you!

0 upvotes
Ann Chaikin
By Ann Chaikin (Sep 28, 2012)

What is the point of rating users? Is it a contest? I can see filtering out those who just want to be trolls but other than that... why?

10 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

reputation scores give new users an idea of the kind of person they're talking to, and may encourage better behaviour.

3 upvotes
Billx08
By Billx08 (Sep 28, 2012)

How sure are you that this won't make things worse? It could replace generally ineffective moderating with what we've already seen in the forums, cliques of users that quickly figure out how to game the system and punish those that they disagree with or dislike. Have any steps been taken to try to prevent this or what could devolve into 'Lord of the Flies' behavior?

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11 upvotes
TheEye
By TheEye (Sep 28, 2012)

User ratings implementation will make the most competitive post whores go on sprees.

5 upvotes
steephill
By steephill (Sep 28, 2012)

I would prefer an option to opt out of any user rating system. This type of popularity contest is one of the worst aspects of social media.

10 upvotes
mosc
By mosc (Sep 28, 2012)

reputation scores are circle jerks. It's been shown on so many forums across the internet.

0 upvotes
Photo-Wiz
By Photo-Wiz (Oct 11, 2012)

I thought it would serve the purpose Simon wrote above. But I posted the most innocuous post stating I liked Canon's use of the Rebel name to describe a certain family of cameras, and some guy comes along and gives it a negative ding. If this is the way it is going to be, then I think a lot of people will stop posting constructive comments.

The goal is to dissuade people from being trolls...and that is good. Only problem is the trolls now get around dinging people with negative scores.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
pete zeugma
By pete zeugma (Sep 28, 2012)

only problem I haveever had is the camera groupings.
please return the 1D forum to 1D only cameras and create a 5D/6D petty squabble forum

1 upvote
Forever Young
By Forever Young (Sep 28, 2012)

I agree, that would be great!

0 upvotes
robert1955
By robert1955 (Sep 28, 2012)

I disagree [not only with the lame comment about the 5D].
The product tagging will be able to do separate what is of interest to subgroups of forum users far better and with more flexibility

0 upvotes
thinkfat
By thinkfat (Sep 28, 2012)

The new design of the topics list per board is nice, but looks wasteful towards screen height. Even the collapsed view has a lot of "dressing" on top. Means more scrolling to see the recent topics. But could be OK if you keep the number of topics per "page", which is already too small for high volume boards.

The thumbs-down button is a good idea, IMHO. Since DPR doesn't aggressively moderate the boards, thumbs-down together with a feature to hide posts with a sub-zero rating might discipline some people better than the "complain" button.

I like the "top answer" thing. Will prove helpful if people use it.

4 upvotes
B1ackhat
By B1ackhat (Sep 28, 2012)

Great - because it looks like this site is still trapped in 1995. You should have switched to vBulletin or one the other PHP-based forums over a decade ago.

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

and we didn't even launch until 1998!

4 upvotes
paulwright
By paulwright (Sep 28, 2012)

I agree. I have always found the DP Review forums indescribably weird in their structure. I rarely visit despite liking the general content. Use this opportunity to make a proper change rather than just a fresh paint-job.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
mosc
By mosc (Sep 28, 2012)

Simon, when the forum was launched here, it was already way out of date in terms of design. It was built like a news group. Remember those? There is a growing percentage of your readers that were BORN after news groups were dead and buried. Get with the times.

1 upvote
Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Sep 28, 2012)

What is a sample site? Of all the forums I've been on, in terms of presentation format, I like this one the best.

1 upvote
Photo-Wiz
By Photo-Wiz (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks Great. Looks like the dpreview folks put a lot of thought into this. Bravo, and thank you.

0 upvotes
pieces
By pieces (Sep 28, 2012)

A few things I think should be considered which I do not see:

*Stickys* - important topics/news/updates can always be visible at the top of the page of a particular forum. Naturally these can only be selected by the forum moderator.

*Pull down Emoticon bar*: The single biggest drawback of internet forums is the inability to see facial features and hear tone of voice which are the main non-verbal cues we have as to the tone or intent of a post. Emoticons are the only easily available but suboptimal way to do this on the internet. It may alleviate some of the misunderstandings. Not everybody is familiar with the wordpress shortcuts.

*Support for mobiles*: consider an app
Tony

2 upvotes
Karl H. Timmerman M.A.J.D.
By Karl H. Timmerman M.A.J.D. (Sep 28, 2012)

(chuckling) ... don't "fix", make "better", what has worked for the past 14 years. Make subtle changes, based on complaints ... a little at a time. Announcing a "change" has to be the hight of stupidity. An invitation for conflict and dissent. Announce: "After reviewing the suggestions and feedback from our valued members, we have decided not to change the format of DPreview, but instead, make suggested, small changes our members have deemed helpful." Your continued feedback would be most appreciated and help us make DPreview, your continued site of choice for the latest information about ... fill in the blank ...
KarlT

3 upvotes
InTheMist
By InTheMist (Sep 28, 2012)

IMO, the default threaded view is kind of dumb. Long after the OP's topic is beaten to death, the thread is full of comments that have been duscussed ad nausium, and you have many, many duplicates statements occur because of this.

Placing half of the text of a message in the title of the message is patently ridiculous usability quirk.

Threaded forums are so Y2K Internet, if not 1990's BBS.

Flat view is where it's at.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
7 upvotes
jpr2
By jpr2 (Sep 28, 2012)

a [very] dissenting voice - a flat-only-view would be THE reason enough for me to never visit DPR again :( - I do find a flat view to be a source of complete confusion in disentangling who said what and why !!

10 upvotes
Ann Chaikin
By Ann Chaikin (Sep 28, 2012)

Make that two of us. I don't like flat form because I lose track of which comments are connected to which topic within the thread.

8 upvotes
Fave Photog
By Fave Photog (Sep 28, 2012)

Threaded view is the way that intelligent and knowledgeable people communicate. The flat view should be eliminated since it only causes newbies confusion and embarrassment.

4 upvotes
Cityzense
By Cityzense (Sep 28, 2012)

That is why you CREATE a NEW thread when you want to change topic...

1 upvote
piano_man
By piano_man (Sep 28, 2012)

Please keep current choice, flat or threaded. Don't care what the default is as my browser remembers my choice anyway.

6 upvotes
BuckieJoe
By BuckieJoe (Sep 28, 2012)

Why would you even NEED a threaded view? If the question asked was to the point and not rambling then the following advice should be just as to the point without devolving into multiple branches of nonsense. There are FORUM THREADS for different topics/questions, there's no need to sub-thread a thread.

2 upvotes
RickPick
By RickPick (Sep 28, 2012)

Any reason why flat view can't be also threaded?

0 upvotes
InTheMist
By InTheMist (Sep 28, 2012)

That's why there is a "quote" button. So people know who is talking to whom. Threaded view is more confusing, and many comments get missed. How many times have you see the OP say he has a solution, or made a decision, and people still give him ignored advice for days.

1 upvote
Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Sep 28, 2012)

I use threaded view on PC most of the time. On my tablet I use flat view.

0 upvotes
JacquesBalthazar
By JacquesBalthazar (Sep 28, 2012)

Agree with nopilopez below. "Like" button is more than enough. There is so much bickering and interpersonal issues in our community that the option to "downgrade" others will be overused and feed into some hurtful behaviours.

5 upvotes
ck3
By ck3 (Sep 28, 2012)

I think a like button without a dislike button doesn't work since in case of infighting it tends to highlight just the most divisive posts (those getting the likes from the users subscribing the the respective positions), as you can see in this comment section when a new product is released. A dislike button evens things out and pushes theses posts down again.

1 upvote
theoschela
By theoschela (Sep 28, 2012)

Improvements made on any area shows your commitment in that area, and it will be judged, as anywhere else it would.

What has happened though, to 'reviews' on "dpreview" .com? We see lots of articles, but how many lens reviews in the last 2 yrs? One can count on 1/2 a hand I think... Improvements are welcome to round things out but please consider what gave you your great reputation in the U.K. .... Reviews! We want them back please.

1 upvote
Benoz
By Benoz (Sep 28, 2012)

I agree with 'napilopez', below, about the "like" button.
I like the introduction of the EXIF feature.
All other features sound very interesting.

2 upvotes
tommy leong
By tommy leong (Sep 28, 2012)

pls keep the "ignore" person list
and if possible, add to algorithm that the
most posters list ranking will be SEVERELY degraded
if that person has a lot of people ignoring him..
ie, he is just going around irritating people to hit
the most post listing.

6 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

We're keeping it, don't worry.

0 upvotes
napilopez
By napilopez (Sep 28, 2012)

I like all of the upcoming changes!

As someone else suggested, my only criticism is that I'd rather have a "like" button than an upvote and downvote button. Having just a like button is enough to tell you something positive about a post. Having a negative button encourages negativity and arguing, methinks.

5 upvotes
ck3
By ck3 (Sep 28, 2012)

If I can like something I can also dislike it. What counts for the usefulness of the rating system is the net rating, with the "likes" adding votes and the dislikes subtracting votes.
If someone upvotes a meaningless message and leads me to click on it, I want to be able to tell other posters that I didn't think it was worthwhile to read.

2 upvotes
kryznic
By kryznic (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks good, I have never used the forums here because of the current design. The more traditional layout will be a welcome change

0 upvotes
funchess
By funchess (Sep 28, 2012)

The default blue text color is very low contrast which makes reading more difficult. Ditto for the gray on black that is used.

2 upvotes
KDM
By KDM (Sep 28, 2012)

Hooray for the custard text. Along with substantial numbers of the male population, I am red-green colour blind, so choice of text colour is very welcome.
As for the rest, it seems very positive. A job well done!

0 upvotes
jwaif
By jwaif (Sep 28, 2012)

Will you be able to apply multiple product tags on a post?
Like the original date displayed on each new thread without having to expand it.
John

0 upvotes
Skipper494
By Skipper494 (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks to me like the type is much smaller,like this here, not larger, and some of it with poor contrast. Why fix something that isn't 'broke'? How many of us wear glasses, d'you think? Perhaps you don't think!

1 upvote
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