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Major update to dpreview forums coming soon: tell us what you think

By dpreview staff on Sep 27, 2012 at 23:04 GMT

In an ongoing effort to improve the performance and user experience on dpreview, we've rewritten and redesigned the forums, and will be launching the new version in a few days. From a look-and-feel standpoint, we made an effort to stay faithful to the core of the old design (no point throwing out the bits that work well) and from a functional standpoint, we focused on adding, rather than removing features.

The new forums look a bit different (nicer, we think) and are built on totally different code, so there will inevitably be a few things you'll have to get used to. Below you'll find some images of the new design and descriptions of what's new, and what's been changed. We encourage you to provide feedback, positive or critical, as we make the finishing touches. We're nearly ready, but if there's anything we've missed, we want to know before this goes live. 

As we set out on what ended up being the major task of redesigning our forums, we had two main goals. As well as adding some long-overdue features that bring our forums into the 21st Century, we also focused on addressing the most common comments and criticisms that we get in user feedback.

For example, there is a lot of great information and advice shared in the forums every day, but it is often difficult to find. To solve this, we implemented a number of new navigation and design aspects that will both help users find what they were looking for, and hopefully, discover a few things along the way.

Here's a quick outline of the new forums - please let us know what you think.


Top-level forum pages:

The new forum index pictured above shows off the new color schemes and increased spacing that pervades the rest of the forums design.

Posting and viewing pages:

The posting and viewing pages have also been substantially reworked:

The posting panel is now a full WYSIWYG interface, with buttons on the right for directly linking to an image on the internet, for uploading from your computer or for pulling an image from your dpreview gallery.

The main viewing screen has a number of changes. Dots next to each post appear white for unread posts and turn grey once read. At the forum level, partially-read threads will be represented by half-white dots. Note also the ability to preview a post by hovering over the post.

The record of which posts you've read will now be stored on our servers, not in your browser, so the read status of threads will be correct whatever device you log-in on.

Questions and Answers

For years we've been discussing ways in which we could make it easier for users can find the information they are looking for on dpreview in general, and the forums specifically. We've made some progress on our product search and comparison tools, but we recognize that forum threads often contain extremely useful information on a wide range of topics, and it isn't exposed very well. To this end, we've introduced a new thread type, 'Questions', which enables you to specifically mark a post as a question.

Once you're happy that the question has been answered, you can mark the best, most useful response as a 'top answer' for all to see. We plan to begin displaying the top questions throughout the site on product pages and widgets to help existing users and newcomers find the most interesting and useful posts.

The original poster can identify which response best answers their question. Once marked as answered, subsequent visitors can jump straight to the selected answer.
The selected answer post is clearly marked, but can be de-selected if a better answer is given later. Answered and unanswered threads are easily visible and can be used as filters, so you can find questions still in need of an answer.

User and post ranking

It has been a long time coming, but, we've added user rankings into user profiles. In this initial version a user's ranking is defined simply by the number of posts they've made and the date they signed up. However, in the near future we will be incorporating a considerably more complex logic which uses forum and site activity to influence ranking.

Additionally, we've incorporated ratings into the forums, so as you browse through threads you can up- and down-vote posts. This will later be tied-in to user rankings and will also allow us to add a feature to rank posts by popularity - making it easier to get to the most interesting threads.
Individual posts can be up- or down-voted. Note also the white dots for unread posts and
Each post has voting tabs. Votes on the original post appear at forum level.

We realize that many users are so used to the existing design, for better or for worse, that we wanted to provide some options that will help put the choice in your hands as to how the forums work for you.

There's an option for a collapsed view, which more closely resembles the current forum view. And, at the bottom of the page, an option to view in the legacy custard colorscheme.

Full list of changes

New features:

  • WYSIWYG text editor (no more markup)
  • New 'Question and Answer' threads
  • New 'breadcrumb trails' and quick-jump navigation at the top of each page
  • New (larger) buttons for creating threads 
  • New search bar, removing an extra click
  • Voting on threads and individual posts
  • The ability to preview a post by hovering over it with your mouse
  • User rankings
  • Community mods – better moderation, based on feedback
  • Image viewer mode / lightbox for going through image (or text) heavy posts
  • More filter options and an easier-to-use feedback form for 'For Sale' threads
  • Direct upload of images into forum posts
  • Dialogs to insert image from web, from file, and from gallery
  • Read status of threads persistent across devices

 General style changes:

  • Fonts and rows are larger throughout the forums
  • Search is more prominent throughout forums
  • Compact view mode which condenses more posts vertically
  • A legacy color mode enabling users to view in yellow rather than blue
  • Improved icons throughout the forums
  • More keyboard shortcuts
  • More filter options
  • Post contents will be hidden if down-voted enough
  • User can one-click subscribe to thread updates
  • Ability to hide posts' 'subject' in threaded view (avoiding repetitive “Re: Subject” titles if subject is unchanged)
  • More prominent actions (Reply, Quote, etc.)
  • Easier to use controls for managing your 'For Sale' thread
  • EXIF (if available) from all sources of attached images

The key thing to realise though, is that, while these initial changes may not seem huge, they represent only the visible aspect of the months of hard work that has gone into totally re-coding the forums. There is a lot of data in the forums and we prioritized speed and consistency in how we approached this upgrade.

The old forums were originally written in 1999 and have done an admirable job in helping to build and foster the dpreview community into what it is today. But the software industry has come a long way since then, and adding new features onto a software platform that is no longer supported, as well as maintaining it was not an option if we wanted to provide new and exciting features to the community.

Now that the new forums are using a software platform with modern conveniences, we can react quickly to feedback provided by the community and easily add new features. (Different 'skins' for instance)

Comments

Total comments: 698
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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Sep 28, 2012)

In terms of its appearance, I am glad "compact" viewing mode has been retained. I don't like the recent trend towards wider-spacing, you end up having to click "next, next, next" repeatedly, and scroll forever. I like a "spreadsheet"-like view.

As for moderation--I hope it's light. Frankly, I don't know about other people, but I LIKE being able to come in here & debate topics and opinions passionately. It's not as if we have a bunch of "here's how I made money in 3 months" spam posts. There's already too many places in real life or cyberlife where political correctness & concerns about not offending someone are taken too seriously. I do NOT want to see the forums become to where you can't state your opinion because it offends someone's sensibilities. Allow both sides to debate their points with passion, & if it becomes a little passionate and heated at times, so be it. That's half the fun.

Uncalled for nastiness, fine, curb it--but otherwise, let the debaters debate.

2 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Sep 28, 2012)

Is that gray type that I see? Gray type on black drastically impairs readability. It causes distress. I know that gray type on black is making inroads in some websites, but that to me is a stampede phenomenon.

The blue type, too, looks mighty feeble. Please tell me it won't be like this. Actually, I favor the banana-yellow and chalk-white regime that obtains at this time.

And please, no voting or polling. I already have too much politics seeping out of every pore, large and small, of my crumbling frame. Let's strive for peace.

4 upvotes
Cheezr
By Cheezr (Sep 28, 2012)

looking good, although personally i would prefer a "like" button rather than a vote up or down button. a vote up/down button will encourage mobs, IMO.

1 upvote
Jim Radcliffe
By Jim Radcliffe (Sep 28, 2012)

The forums need real moderators, not a redesign. Fix that first. There are some nasty people who have been banned over and over again only to be allowed back into a forum to continue to cause problems. Why?

The biggest problem with DPReview forums is the lack of active and swift moderation.

10 upvotes
Benoz
By Benoz (Sep 28, 2012)

I agree Jim,
but DPR and/or moderators can't change human nature...unfortunately! Nasties always find a new way!

1 upvote
Pierre Moeremans Photography

I agree totally.
On the Gallery (sorry if it is not the topic here) I have a lot of spam, always the same text to marry me and can't remove it, only flag as inappropriate! DPreview is not a dating site!
I don't put new pictures now and don't even get a look anymore.
Even if I click "daily" to receive a message when a comment is posted on my photos, I never received. :-(

BUT there are more good things on DPreview than bad!!!!! ;-)

1 upvote
x-vision
By x-vision (Sep 28, 2012)

+1000 on removing the thumbs-down/bad-karma button.

13 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

Dislike. Thumbs down seems like a good way to sink posts simply giving or perpetuating false information. The only alternative I see is implementing a flag for this, but that then requires moderating, which it sounds like nobody is willing to do at the required 10/24/7 level (10 is for 10 minute maximum response time).

3 upvotes
v steffel
By v steffel (Sep 28, 2012)

I like what I see. I realize it's a tremendous task and I think we will appreciate your work.

I have to wait until I can actually maneuver throu the site

Best,

v steffel

0 upvotes
Fave Photog
By Fave Photog (Sep 28, 2012)

Huge kudos for very well thought out upgrades! The big pluses for me are: WYSIWYG; being able to upload images directly from your computer to a post; and the ability to read status of threads persistent across devices.

Skip the 'Voting on threads and individual posts'. That feature will quickly degrade into a beauty contest, and will only serve to inhibit forum participation, *especially* if said popularity/unpopularity is linked to a members profile. Bad idea! Leave that to Facebook.

While it may not become as bad as it is in the comments on Yahoo news articles, where people have many different personae and dog pile on comments they either do or don't like, thus perverting the entire purpose and process, the risk is present. Even so, such 'voting' will serve no useful purpose, and will only serve to segregate members. Each person's comments/posts should stand on their own merit.

Comment edited 11 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
x-vision
By x-vision (Sep 28, 2012)

The new design is clean and looks very good.

Don't know how the new color scheme is going to work for me, so good that I have the option to keep using the old one.

Where are the emoticons, though?

Also, when is DPreview going to implement 'polls' feature - for creating user polls?

1 upvote
lgm
By lgm (Sep 30, 2012)

I find the dark blue text on black VERY hard to read. Please let's stick with banana yellow text for the post title line. Maybe for those posts that have been read you could turn the line orange

0 upvotes
Jorge Ledesma
By Jorge Ledesma (Sep 28, 2012)

Mobile Mobile Mobile that's all

3 upvotes
swartzfeger
By swartzfeger (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes please. The majority of my preview time is spent on my phone while at work. The non-mobile forums on a smartphone are painful to read and nearly impossible to post/participate.

1 upvote
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

Will the update now support the full width of my screen?
At the monent, the forums take up only about 50% of my screen width.

2 upvotes
Fave Photog
By Fave Photog (Sep 28, 2012)

Simply click on the + key while holding down the CTRL key (on Windows), and watch what happens. To shrink the screen, click on the - key.

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

What + key? I have no + key on my screen.

If you are talking about magnifying/enlarging my screen, that is *NOT* what I am talking about.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
bikinchris
By bikinchris (Sep 28, 2012)

I will be fine with it. Thanks fo your work.

0 upvotes
Nic Walmsley
By Nic Walmsley (Sep 28, 2012)

Support for mobiles. Don't use Flash.

As an observation, there's a big difference between posts about photos and posts about cameras. And I won't even mention posts about forum members.

6 upvotes
57even
By 57even (Sep 28, 2012)

Will be fun trying it out. I'm not sure about the rating scheme though but I'll keep an open mind. You guys obviously put a lot of thought and hard work in to this, so thanks!

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

Let's not do popups on a mouse over. Those are annoying at the best of times, but to have it on forum threads would be a nightmare.

8 upvotes
steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Sep 28, 2012)

I don't like to see any elements appear simply from moving my mouse. There are already elements of it on this site and they're gratuitously annoying eye candy (like those "Flag" and "Reply" elements just to the right of my post.) There's enough room in the margin - too much! - for them to be static elements. Coders include them because they think they're "cool" - but they're not.

Comment edited 52 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
piano_man
By piano_man (Sep 28, 2012)

And there is no mouse on mobiles or tablets.

1 upvote
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

Finger over? :-)

0 upvotes
Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Sep 28, 2012)

I like the popups but only if they are optional, easily selected optional.

0 upvotes
Alexsfo
By Alexsfo (Sep 28, 2012)

Support for mobile devices should be the #1 priority. the forum as is works just fine on PCs already. I find it very unfortunate that no mobile support is coming with this new redesign nor there is any timeline for mobile support. Few months, years, never?

9 upvotes
Scott Everett
By Scott Everett (Sep 28, 2012)

Its top of our list for the next batch of work. :)

3 upvotes
Paul B Jones
By Paul B Jones (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks good. 'preciate the effort put into this.

0 upvotes
terryoregon
By terryoregon (Sep 28, 2012)

Still waiting for the paid gallery option (unlimited uploads) that was 'coming soon' two years ago.

0 upvotes
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (Sep 28, 2012)

Unfortunately, I do not see the most glaring defect of the website addressed - the seartch engine.

0 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

what is the problem with the search engine? we recently released an extensive overhaul.

0 upvotes
Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Sep 28, 2012)

Did you tell us about the overhaul? I have not been using for sometime because of past experiences.

0 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/04/24/dpreview-site-search-updated-improved

0 upvotes
JackM
By JackM (Sep 28, 2012)

These forums are some of the meanest on the internet. You should prohibit anonymity. Make everyone register with a facebook, linked-in, myspace, twitter, or G+ account, or their own professional photography website.

But this probably makes too much sense.

4 upvotes
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (Sep 28, 2012)

Wow, this idea posted by someone calling himself JackM with no email address in his profile.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
12 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

And you really think those accounts (ie: FB) are real?
Guess you have missed the news about all the fake accounts.

2 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Sep 28, 2012)

"Make everyone register with a facebook, linked-in, myspace, twitter, or G+ account"

The day I sign on with any of these obnoxious superfluities is the day I go hang myself in the bathroom.

8 upvotes
larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (Sep 28, 2012)

Glad I'm not the only one that things the OP's idea is a bad one.

To me, anonymity is one of the beautiful things about the Internet. I absolutely LOVE being able to come in here & debate things with unbridled passion. I am not trying to be MEAN, but there are recent trends in photography I'm passionately opposed to (iPhone "photography," video & still convergence) and I like being able to share my opinion without holding back.

And yes, those who disagree with me, they should be able to oppose my opinion with all the passion they have in them without having to be "fake nice" because of this real name nonsense. I have to "play nice" enough as it is in the real world, I (and I think others too) need somewhere I can go & passionately debate my ideas without being censored. It's not like we have a whole bunch of "I found a new way to make money" or "my boyfriend & I discovered the secret to losing weight" spam posts in here. Let people debate behind the aliases.

Comment edited 30 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
Deleted78792
By Deleted78792 (Sep 28, 2012)

Why not do one better? Make them authenticate themselves with a credit card, with zero charge of course.

And all the posts and content belong to dpreview.

Yeah, go on, kill the freedom. Just like that.

Comment edited 27 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Tan68
By Tan68 (Sep 28, 2012)

please, please do not further integrate with facebook or any other similar. the gallery already has a little F and a Tweet button. let it end there. please?

0 upvotes
migus
By migus (Sep 28, 2012)

"Let people debate behind the aliases."

Larry: Why would you like to hide behind an alias to "debate things with unbridled passion"? Can't you say it openly on your own name?

In science --and real life, too-- one has bring facts, hard evidence and conduct the argument w/ due civility. An alias is not quite conducive to such debates, IMHO. Mitch Gusat.

0 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Sep 28, 2012)

"Why would you like to hide behind an alias"

We don't really know each other, that's why. For all you know, I could be Bigfoot. Or some nutcase in a Ghillie suit.

0 upvotes
robmanueb
By robmanueb (Sep 28, 2012)

Legacy custard colorscheme. Nom nom nom. I will use this thanks! I love yellow on black best, white on black is OK, black on white feels like I'm getting weldeyes after a couple of hours.

0 upvotes
MarshallG
By MarshallG (Sep 28, 2012)

I would appreciate an option to change color scheme to a white background, especially in the discussion forums. White on black is more difficult for me to read.

Also, Tapatalk mobile support would be fantastic. I use it with several other message boards and it works very well.

Comment edited 56 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 28, 2012)

You might find this article interesting:

http://lifehacker.com/5912480/how-to-invert-your-browsers-colors-for-easier-reading-at-night

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3 upvotes
Jared Huntr
By Jared Huntr (Sep 28, 2012)

Instead of deleting entire threads, how about locking it from further updates, with a final post by the moderator on why the thread was locked.

It doesn't make sense to delete and entire thread's worth of valuable information just because of a few troublemakers. Also, it would provide insight as to why some threads are deleted and others not (when they seem to contain the same violations). Having the moderator provide justification also keeps the system honest so that there is some consistency.

4 upvotes
Billx08
By Billx08 (Sep 28, 2012)

The moderators have long had the ability to lock forums (ie, making them read-only), and also are/were able to prune thread branches instead of deleting entire threads. There have been cases where entire threads were deleted when most of the early posts were positive contributions. I can only assume that in these cases the entire threads were deleted because the moderating tools aren't particularly well written and it might take much more effort to selectively prune than to uproot the entire thread in one quick yank.

1 upvote
sean lancaster
By sean lancaster (Sep 28, 2012)

From my experience on another forum, user rankings get abused. For example, if a person is reasonable and uses a Nikon but participates in a discussion on the Canon forum discussing the differences between the Canon 5D Mark III and the Nikon D600 then the Nikon user might contribute very factual information, yet this person will inevitably lose points by partisan participants who do not want to see negative information about their camera being mentioned.

Or, on my NEX forum, there are many discussions about the value of the touch screen on the 5N versus the lack of a touch screen on the NEX-7. People feel very strongly about it so I know, just as happens in political discussions on my other forum, that people rate down users who they disagree with even if the user is being very civil and contributing in a worthwhile manner. I would hate to see people who are valuable contributors being made to look like a troll just because they converse with people not wanting that information.

21 upvotes
migus
By migus (Sep 28, 2012)

Sean, you stated it well. I'd remaster the obvious: We're subjective political beings :-). Rankings are generally and inherently abused because "you get what you measure". ..

Brand loyalty, fanboysm and guerilla marketing are a vocal minority that can and do prevent valuable contributors from joining a discussion.

0 upvotes
Walt Bilofsky
By Walt Bilofsky (Sep 28, 2012)

A good point, but I wonder if the example doesn't cover the vast majority of the cases. Take out the brand vs. brand and type vs. type arguments, and rankings would be more useful. But how do you take those out?

0 upvotes
MPA1
By MPA1 (Sep 28, 2012)

I'd like to see a bit firmer moderation. I'm not normally a fan of significant moderation but there are a few hereabouts who deserve a while in the sin bin.

Firm opinions are fine, but some of the trolls here would be living under a bridge in Scandanavia for the past few hundred years..!!

1 upvote
thx1138
By thx1138 (Sep 28, 2012)

dpreview has a woeful reputation for the demeanour of many of its participants and is the major reason I moved to another forum for the majority of my discussions. Rudeness and trolling are big problems here

5 upvotes
robmanueb
By robmanueb (Sep 28, 2012)

I see a few trolls trolling on here, though not many. I think admin or the public keep it reasonable, not sure which.

1 upvote
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (Sep 28, 2012)

"dpreview has a woeful reputation"

I demur strongly to this claim. There are here and there a few remarks evidencing ill-breeding, but "woeful reputation" is surely an overstatement.

2 upvotes
MPA1
By MPA1 (Sep 28, 2012)

It's not the first time I have heard poor reputation comments about dpreview I have to say.

I report the worst offenders but nothing much seems to happen.

0 upvotes
Graystar
By Graystar (Sep 28, 2012)

Other forum software has eliminated the "thumbs down" rating and simply have a "Like" because people would abuse the thumbs down.

4 upvotes
x-vision
By x-vision (Sep 28, 2012)

+1000

CanonRumors had a 'karma' button and that did not work ... at all.

Comment edited 23 seconds after posting
1 upvote
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (Sep 28, 2012)

Abuse of the complaint button is a way of life. Thumbs down will be the same.

0 upvotes
Jonathan Robson
By Jonathan Robson (Sep 28, 2012)

Will there be better support for viewing on a mobile device?

2 upvotes
nathanhw
By nathanhw (Oct 1, 2012)

Not in this release but that is part of the plan from what the team has posted.

0 upvotes
Island Golfer
By Island Golfer (Sep 28, 2012)

You need a method of quickly finding things you are interested in when you go to the "For Sale and Wanted" forum. Sorting through page and post after page and post renders the forum of little usefulness.

Additionally, while I realize you might need to hire another employee to do this, I think that it would be most useful to have a method to post comments directly to manufacturers that could be sorted and catagorized. Then, somehow forwarded to those manufacturers (even if they don't listen to the suggestions).

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
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RoelHendrickx
By RoelHendrickx (Sep 28, 2012)

I think it includes some good ideas and I look forward to a real hands-on experience.
I just hope that not all of our history will be lost?

0 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

All your posts should be intact.

1 upvote
Mako2011
By Mako2011 (Sep 28, 2012)

Very exciting. Feels like being part of something. Looks like serious thought and time went into it. I like that the character the makes these forum different will seemingly still be a part of it. Obviously will evolve some growing pains. I like that the users have a bit more influence with the like buttons and such.

I would simply second that understanding who is replying to who is critical and that community moderation will need moderation to maintain good balance. You guys seem to have thought hard on this. Good Luck...this should be fun.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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bugbait
By bugbait (Sep 28, 2012)

Glad to see the updates. Polls would be helpful, especially voting for user desired reviews of gear.

1 upvote
Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (Sep 28, 2012)

Need time limited editing to give a choice between posting edited verion to date or accepting reverting to original post. No response = original post as user has left the building. Indicate "post now" if being unusual slow but still editing and words have overcome you.
When going over character limit - advise just how many characters that are "over" (as in comments section).
Popularity stakes might be good might be bad depending upon how they are "trolled". Might also reflect more perceived opinion than original thought and head for the lowest common denominator as "popular". Could be used as "fan clubs" and also unduly weight and exacerbate highs and lows.

1 upvote
Baxter Bad
By Baxter Bad (Sep 28, 2012)

Ability to delete a post? No? Not that I would, personally - I carefully consider everything I write and have no regrets, ahem. But I know there are some here who have made... poorly calculated remarks... and would be happy to be relieved of their shame.

How about something limited, like each account gets three lifetime deletes? To be used wisely, of course.

1 upvote
Diasfrom Brasil
By Diasfrom Brasil (Sep 28, 2012)

What I like in Fredmiranda and would like to see hear is that once you open the first post you can read all the posts without having to open one by one.

2 upvotes
Robert Hoy
By Robert Hoy (Sep 28, 2012)

Dpreview already has this, it's called "flat view".

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

Yeah, try FLAT VIEW.

0 upvotes
JP Scherrer
By JP Scherrer (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks nice !

Now, in the KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS, what is the difference between SUBSCRIBE and BOOKMARK ?

;)
J-P.

0 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

We have split the e-mail subscription and bookmark list.

Currently to get a notification, you have to have a forum post in the thread or bookmarked it.

The new code will make this subscription more granular; you can subscribe for updates without having to reply or bookmark. We are essentially making bookmarks without the additional baggage of e-mail updates (as it were before the e-mail notification feature was introduced).

0 upvotes
TEBnewyork
By TEBnewyork (Sep 28, 2012)

I look forward to the launch!

Thanks for continually adding features and improving the site!

Comment edited 21 seconds after posting
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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (Sep 28, 2012)

Brilliant! A new code base is no doubt just what the doctor ordered for those errors that happen so often lately.

Suggestions:

-- Consider two rankings for best answer. Original asker's choice, and highest +1 count. Many brand new people will not actually know which is the best answer, but only which pleases them the most. Both rankings are interesting to future readers.

-- Consider allowing a grey on white colour scheme for forums.

-- Consider streaming all images by camera or lens ... much like the "search by camera" feature on pbase. Very useful!

-- I hope that search will sort by total thread rankings (total +1s contained therein.) The ability to find threads that the community considers important is useful, as is the ability to avoid threads that contain nothing but battles (he wrote ironically.)

All in all, a huge step forward in my opinion. Thanks!

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Robert Hoy
By Robert Hoy (Sep 28, 2012)

The site errors are because of continual improvements in the website. I've hard they've been working years on the new forum code since the current forums are still on the code that Phil Askey wrote when he launched this in what 1999.The new code will probably lead to more errors for a while, actually.

0 upvotes
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (Sep 28, 2012)

When it sometimes takes 5 or more attempts to get something posted, I fail to see why you call it a "continual improvement."

The code base is, in my opinion, on its last legs. The new code base cannot go live soon enough.

0 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (Sep 28, 2012)

# In the old USENET days there was a way to configure news to only allow posts with a minimum 50% new material. I think it would be very useful to force posters to properly quote and would prevent "bulk quoting" (multiple pages with 1 new line at the bottom).

# Could you please, please make the user's choice to view comments in the "oldest first" order a sticky for that user? Now every time you refresh the page or go to it after a while, it switches back to "newest first".

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motobloat
By motobloat (Sep 28, 2012)

Still with the threaded view??? It's 2012, no one is on a 1440 baud modem anymore. We can load the whole thread at once you know. Yeesh...

Now you just need to clean up and consolidate all the gear forums so there aren't so many ghost towns. Maybe just bucket them by brand and sensor size.

Otherwise, some good improvements. As someone who has done a lot of ground-up, wysiwyj, wordpress, joomla, and drupal development, I am dimly aware of what it takes to update legacy code.... nice work.

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joejack951
By joejack951 (Sep 28, 2012)

Funny, in my reading of these forums it seems split 50/50 at best to those who prefer threaded versus flat. I like flat view but I can understand why some like threaded. I frequently do switch to threaded to figure out who someone is replying to if they decided not to quote any text. It's a nice feature to have.

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neo_nights
By neo_nights (Sep 28, 2012)

I really like threaded view because here it's VERY common that topics get a bit carried away from it's original intent. So, if one is interested in following that new 'parallel' discussion, just keep going that thread. If one wants to see a diferent answer, something more ontopic, then just skip all those replies.

It does look old-fashioned but it works very well here. I wouldn't change that. Also keeps things tidy and clean.

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nathanhw
By nathanhw (Oct 1, 2012)

Here's the thing -- each topic should be it's own thread. Easy to follow, chronological, clear where one left off, easy to see what is being responded to by looking back in history if the poster didn't do the polite thing and quote. And it keeps topics fresh.

That's why >90% of the forums on the internet use a new topic for a new thread.

So it's a flat view, and a threaded view -- all at once.

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ginsbu
By ginsbu (Sep 27, 2012)

Any plans for a mobile-optimized version?

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Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes! But not on this iteration. It is already high on our priority list.

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DStudio
By DStudio (Sep 28, 2012)

As is more common now, please make sure it's clear that the user is on the mobile version of the site, and make it easy to switch back.

Also, please make the site suited to some popular tablets - at least the iPad. Whether this means the using mobile site may depend on your layout. If it does mean using the mobile site, perhaps the regular site should still be the default for tablets.

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (Sep 28, 2012)

Some of the buttons are far too small or too close together for something like an iPad combined with a vague touch and re-post versus cancel is a good example.

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njlarsen
By njlarsen (Sep 27, 2012)

The one thing I have been missing the most is a link to new messages (currently called "new") that actually works. Clicking the current link usually goes to the first post on the first page, and not to the post following the last one I read.

It would be even better if it worked across machines (so that if I read one post on one machine and hours later check back on a different machine, I still get new going to the next post -- however, this last feature is not absolutely necessary). I use Firefox on a WinXP PC, but doubt it has much to do with either of those.

Niels

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Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes! We will have this improved.

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dotborg
By dotborg (Sep 27, 2012)

Will it work better on mobile devices?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (Sep 28, 2012)

Already works on Android 4.

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gail
By gail (Sep 27, 2012)

It's about time you added a WYSIWYG text editor. Thank you!

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Robert Hoy
By Robert Hoy (Sep 28, 2012)

I actually like the character triggers for special text because you can do it all while normally typing without using the mouse.

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cs hauser
By cs hauser (Sep 27, 2012)

"Question & Answer" seems like a rudimentary version of the feature dpreview really needs: POLLS. These forums can be downright toxic sometimes, thanks to a loud minority that dominate most discussions.. When assessing the community's opinion, I think a simple poll would go a long way in keeping the loud minority from overwhelming the silent majority.

I also think "Question & Answer" feature can make things even more confusing. Especially when it comes to controversial questions. For instance, any question regarding 'equivalence' will inevitably result in the community's answer switching back & forth. Again, in this situation a poll would provide a clearer representation of what the community really feels.

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ck3
By ck3 (Sep 28, 2012)

The one thing this site doesn't need are polls.

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seachicken2000
By seachicken2000 (Sep 28, 2012)

I agree. Polls are something I'd really like to see. Perhaps this is possible by voting on posts. Top-level posts could be voted on, or replied to if you wanted to comment. Manufacturers might even be interested to see the results of some of the polls.

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (Sep 28, 2012)

Polls are like statistics, sometimes the answers are determined by the choices - the poll on the EVIL-type camera was one where "EVIL-type" was not one of the choices. So we had a poll on anything but "EVIL-type" and the answer is that there is still no commonly accepted acronym, and none used makes much sense either. In the end one thing is eventually adopted by weight of popular opinion and no poll that is not compulsory and fully considers all possible alternatives will give the correct answer. Polls become instead a popularity contest. People tend to like to be backing the winner.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

polls are coming in v2

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digitall
By digitall (Sep 27, 2012)

Excellent new features which maintain this as one of the best sites on the internet. Your innovation and hard work is highly appreciated!

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Pentax_Prime
By Pentax_Prime (Sep 27, 2012)

Good to see some positive changes - I think this should deter the stalking/harassing behavior these forums are sometimes known for.

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Rkelac
By Rkelac (Sep 27, 2012)

Will the new site be Tapatalk compatible?

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Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

Unfortunately no. We're not running an off-the-shelf forum software that has Tapatalk support.

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Braxton7
By Braxton7 (Sep 27, 2012)

Uh oh :)

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zigi_S
By zigi_S (Sep 27, 2012)

You should join canon rebel forums with the 7d forums. Both, particulary the rebel feel a bit empty. Maybe it would be better to diffirentiate forums, format wise, not camera class.

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Deleted1929
By Deleted1929 (Sep 27, 2012)

Any way to disable the hovering previews ?

I find them distracting elsewhere as if you just leave your mouse parked in the wrong place all of a sudden opening a thread gets you a preview and you've to move it again.

Any more info on the moderation system ?

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (Sep 28, 2012)

Another preview = another click and another winner. How many clicks are recorded by ham-fisted tablet users?

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GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes, If you won't actually eliminate the mouse over popups, then at least allow the individual user to disable them.

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Hinder
By Hinder (Oct 1, 2012)

Thread and post editing and deleting would be handy, sometimes things just come out wrong. The fifteen minute thing is just not good.

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essH
By essH (Sep 27, 2012)

On a pure readability point, I find yellow (custard) easier to read on a black background than blue. Can that be changed? Is it possible to allow users to select the colour scheme?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (Sep 27, 2012)

"And, at the bottom of the page, an option to view in the legacy custard colorscheme."

So yes. ;)

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ck3
By ck3 (Sep 27, 2012)

In the first picture (top-level forum pages) you can see a button to switch the colour scheme between blue and yellow.

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

Actually those buttons are to switch between expanded (two lines) and collapsed (one line) mode. The toggle to swap colors will be at the bottom of the page.

We figured you would likely toggle between expanded / collapsed modes more than color scheme, which is more like a "I don't like the new scheme. Set it to the old one and forget it."

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ck3
By ck3 (Sep 28, 2012)

@richard shih - that's what I meant ;-) I just got confused about the picture...it's in the third, not the first.

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essH
By essH (Sep 28, 2012)

Thanks, Barney - that's what comes of reading a news item at midnight! I saw the picture but not the caption. Nice feature; looking forward to seeing the new format for real - and using the new search.

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