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Major update to dpreview forums coming soon: tell us what you think

By dpreview staff on Sep 27, 2012 at 23:04 GMT

In an ongoing effort to improve the performance and user experience on dpreview, we've rewritten and redesigned the forums, and will be launching the new version in a few days. From a look-and-feel standpoint, we made an effort to stay faithful to the core of the old design (no point throwing out the bits that work well) and from a functional standpoint, we focused on adding, rather than removing features.

The new forums look a bit different (nicer, we think) and are built on totally different code, so there will inevitably be a few things you'll have to get used to. Below you'll find some images of the new design and descriptions of what's new, and what's been changed. We encourage you to provide feedback, positive or critical, as we make the finishing touches. We're nearly ready, but if there's anything we've missed, we want to know before this goes live. 

As we set out on what ended up being the major task of redesigning our forums, we had two main goals. As well as adding some long-overdue features that bring our forums into the 21st Century, we also focused on addressing the most common comments and criticisms that we get in user feedback.

For example, there is a lot of great information and advice shared in the forums every day, but it is often difficult to find. To solve this, we implemented a number of new navigation and design aspects that will both help users find what they were looking for, and hopefully, discover a few things along the way.

Here's a quick outline of the new forums - please let us know what you think.


Top-level forum pages:

The new forum index pictured above shows off the new color schemes and increased spacing that pervades the rest of the forums design.

Posting and viewing pages:

The posting and viewing pages have also been substantially reworked:

The posting panel is now a full WYSIWYG interface, with buttons on the right for directly linking to an image on the internet, for uploading from your computer or for pulling an image from your dpreview gallery.

The main viewing screen has a number of changes. Dots next to each post appear white for unread posts and turn grey once read. At the forum level, partially-read threads will be represented by half-white dots. Note also the ability to preview a post by hovering over the post.

The record of which posts you've read will now be stored on our servers, not in your browser, so the read status of threads will be correct whatever device you log-in on.

Questions and Answers

For years we've been discussing ways in which we could make it easier for users can find the information they are looking for on dpreview in general, and the forums specifically. We've made some progress on our product search and comparison tools, but we recognize that forum threads often contain extremely useful information on a wide range of topics, and it isn't exposed very well. To this end, we've introduced a new thread type, 'Questions', which enables you to specifically mark a post as a question.

Once you're happy that the question has been answered, you can mark the best, most useful response as a 'top answer' for all to see. We plan to begin displaying the top questions throughout the site on product pages and widgets to help existing users and newcomers find the most interesting and useful posts.

The original poster can identify which response best answers their question. Once marked as answered, subsequent visitors can jump straight to the selected answer.
The selected answer post is clearly marked, but can be de-selected if a better answer is given later. Answered and unanswered threads are easily visible and can be used as filters, so you can find questions still in need of an answer.

User and post ranking

It has been a long time coming, but, we've added user rankings into user profiles. In this initial version a user's ranking is defined simply by the number of posts they've made and the date they signed up. However, in the near future we will be incorporating a considerably more complex logic which uses forum and site activity to influence ranking.

Additionally, we've incorporated ratings into the forums, so as you browse through threads you can up- and down-vote posts. This will later be tied-in to user rankings and will also allow us to add a feature to rank posts by popularity - making it easier to get to the most interesting threads.
Individual posts can be up- or down-voted. Note also the white dots for unread posts and
Each post has voting tabs. Votes on the original post appear at forum level.

We realize that many users are so used to the existing design, for better or for worse, that we wanted to provide some options that will help put the choice in your hands as to how the forums work for you.

There's an option for a collapsed view, which more closely resembles the current forum view. And, at the bottom of the page, an option to view in the legacy custard colorscheme.

Full list of changes

New features:

  • WYSIWYG text editor (no more markup)
  • New 'Question and Answer' threads
  • New 'breadcrumb trails' and quick-jump navigation at the top of each page
  • New (larger) buttons for creating threads 
  • New search bar, removing an extra click
  • Voting on threads and individual posts
  • The ability to preview a post by hovering over it with your mouse
  • User rankings
  • Community mods – better moderation, based on feedback
  • Image viewer mode / lightbox for going through image (or text) heavy posts
  • More filter options and an easier-to-use feedback form for 'For Sale' threads
  • Direct upload of images into forum posts
  • Dialogs to insert image from web, from file, and from gallery
  • Read status of threads persistent across devices

 General style changes:

  • Fonts and rows are larger throughout the forums
  • Search is more prominent throughout forums
  • Compact view mode which condenses more posts vertically
  • A legacy color mode enabling users to view in yellow rather than blue
  • Improved icons throughout the forums
  • More keyboard shortcuts
  • More filter options
  • Post contents will be hidden if down-voted enough
  • User can one-click subscribe to thread updates
  • Ability to hide posts' 'subject' in threaded view (avoiding repetitive “Re: Subject” titles if subject is unchanged)
  • More prominent actions (Reply, Quote, etc.)
  • Easier to use controls for managing your 'For Sale' thread
  • EXIF (if available) from all sources of attached images

The key thing to realise though, is that, while these initial changes may not seem huge, they represent only the visible aspect of the months of hard work that has gone into totally re-coding the forums. There is a lot of data in the forums and we prioritized speed and consistency in how we approached this upgrade.

The old forums were originally written in 1999 and have done an admirable job in helping to build and foster the dpreview community into what it is today. But the software industry has come a long way since then, and adding new features onto a software platform that is no longer supported, as well as maintaining it was not an option if we wanted to provide new and exciting features to the community.

Now that the new forums are using a software platform with modern conveniences, we can react quickly to feedback provided by the community and easily add new features. (Different 'skins' for instance)

Comments

Total comments: 698
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SM7
By SM7 (Sep 29, 2012)

Get rid of comments under every news article, review, etc. posted, and make the FORUM the main commenting/discussion... forum?

By introducing comments for each article/news item and keeping the forum separate, you have created two sets of forums. One which is the facebook-style forum with the Like button, and the old, dpr forum, for those who know how to use it (intimidating to many).

Please review your decision to include comments for every article... A button linking to a forum discussion might be better, and might keep the discussion civilized (moderator).

Thanks for reading.

3 upvotes
nevada5
By nevada5 (Sep 29, 2012)

Are you re-assessing the forum names? Specifically, "Nikon Talk", "Canon Talk", etc. are related to their respective compact cameras. But that part isn't seen unless you bother to read the fine print after clicking on the forum title.

Consequently "Nikon Talk" is often assumed to be generally for all Nikon topics and posts are made there that are DSLR-specific (and would be better served in the appropriate forum.)

Looks like some very worthwhile improvements coming. Thanks!

4 upvotes
Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (Sep 29, 2012)

Looks great on the first look-through. I am sure things can and will be tweaked as you go forward. I particularly like the ability to rate a post.

Good Job.

1 upvote
RubberDials
By RubberDials (Sep 29, 2012)

The biggest problem with the forum is offering an optional list and flat view. List view means that some viewers never even read most of the posts in a thread.

The question and answer system deals with the biggest problem of this method - namely people answering the same question over and over, but with a flat view posters are at least exposed to everyone's posts, whether they read them in depth or only skim them.

I believe that viewing everyone's posts is a basic courtesy of participating in a community and the list view encourages cronyism with groups reading and responding only to each others' posts and shutting out newbies or anyone who offers a different view from the prevailing one.

I think list view contributes more than any other factor to the bellicosity and diminished sense of community that I see more than ever on this site and which discourages me from posting often.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
2 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

Disagree. The threaded view allows one to see subconversations within a thread. In flat view this is lost.

3 upvotes
enos
By enos (Sep 29, 2012)

Agreed. But the flat view needs to be brought up to standards other sites have had for the entirety of dpreview's existence: show threading as well.

People like GodSpeaks complain about flat view because it hides threading, but if it didn't it would be so much better than reloading the page for every single little post.

2 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

Agreed, if flat view showed the threading it would be much better. However, other sites (at least the ones I visit) just show in chronological order (no threading).

0 upvotes
ArvoJ
By ArvoJ (Sep 29, 2012)

I hate threaded view - and I hate people, replying with single word and not not quoting anything from posting replied. Probably I'm just used to flat, chronolgical view - but I like to view all postings at once; on other forums I usually configure maximum allowed posts on page - be it 100 or 300 :)

1 upvote
unknown member
By (unknown member) (Sep 28, 2012)

The same hard to read black background I see.

2 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 29, 2012)

Note the 'Different 'skins'' link at the end of the story.

2 upvotes
eadrian75
By eadrian75 (Sep 29, 2012)

I missed the "Different skins" link, but i sure hope it gives me the option to change color scheme. I love this site, but the white on black is possibly the worst color scheme for a text heavy site.

Personally i think the font size is just right. All it needs is a little more line-height and as mentioned a better complimentary background color.

2 upvotes
rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (Sep 29, 2012)

Personnally, I like the white on black very much : it is great when reading the post in a dark room on the iPad. And it fit a photo forum very well.

It is not a problem in a bright room either.

2 upvotes
NewYorkEd
By NewYorkEd (Sep 28, 2012)

Speaking for myself; the new posting panel looks good. I see that there is a spell-check added - nice. I also see that the text is a light grey on white. Some of the news websites that I used to visit had change from black text to light grey text on white - because of that I moved on to other news websites. I understand that the grey text on white looks smooth, but it is harder to read.

Comment edited 13 minutes after posting
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tomdavis
By tomdavis (Sep 28, 2012)

Are we still going to have a flat view option in the forums? This is a really nice feature and makes scanning the forums very quick and comprehensive.

0 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Oct 1, 2012)

Yes.

0 upvotes
Tony Sx
By Tony Sx (Sep 28, 2012)

Please allow searching of the "For sale/Wanted" forum so as to exclude "US/Canada" or "Europe" even if you're unable to include/exclude specific countries.

3 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

That feature just barely missed our cut for the initial launch. We hope to have that very soon.

2 upvotes
Litebright
By Litebright (Sep 28, 2012)

I always wanted the picture viewer in threads to be able to show pictures in their native size, especially for panoramas.

I know things need updating but dpreview is outstanding as it is. I wish the developers well (with the two million feature requests here) and hope the switchover & support isn't too painful.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 4 minutes after posting
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slappo
By slappo (Sep 28, 2012)

There are so many threads which are of no interest to me.

I want to have a 'Hide Thread' option which would keep those threads away from my ordinary forum pages.

0 upvotes
GordonAtWork
By GordonAtWork (Sep 28, 2012)

Allow the thread column to resize when changing window size, even on a screen with 1280 width there is wasted space.

1 upvote
Gesture
By Gesture (Sep 28, 2012)

Longer time when posts are editable. On Amazon.com it is open-ended and you can delete a post.

10 upvotes
Biggs23
By Biggs23 (Sep 28, 2012)

This!

1 upvote
GlobalGuyUSA
By GlobalGuyUSA (Sep 28, 2012)

Definitely. I hate that you own our words -- but we should be able to own our words. It does help civility. Many times, users want to go back and "clean up" a poor choice. But your policy ensures that it stays there -- forever.

3 upvotes
ArvoJ
By ArvoJ (Sep 29, 2012)

Partially I don't agree. Being moderator on some forums myself, I hate when someone changes his posting substantially next day. But I think that editing window shoud be somewhat longer - and it should allow editing multiple times, at least until next message is not posted.

0 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (Sep 28, 2012)

It would be nice if within any thread, you could sort the entries in chronological order.

0 upvotes
c.hammett
By c.hammett (Sep 28, 2012)

PLEASE fix the message preview panel so that if you accidentally try to edit your message, or accidentally press an unintended key, you don't lose the whole message. I can't tell you how many times I've done that, most recently twice today.

Thanks if you can fix this. It is maddening to work for 30 minutes on a reply only to mistakenly try to edit a typo and lose the whole mess !

Carolyn Hammett (chammett a.k.a. ranger)

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (Sep 29, 2012)

I don't have that problem : each time I use the back button of the browser, I'm back to what I had written.

1 upvote
GURL
By GURL (Sep 28, 2012)

Missing feature ?

Example: I just read The Nikon D600 Preview and wondered if it was possible to suggest a useful test* but did not find any way to reach R Butler.

What I mean is a "suggestion to DPReview" feature that could be restricted to subjects (like reviews) being launched by a staff member. It would not be answered by the DPR staff nor viewed by other participants and should not be available to new forum members to avoid spam.

Some kind of "one way email", like a bottle in the sea...
___

*: for this camera a studio samples shot using an APS-C lens rather than a FF lens would be useful for comparison.

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Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

I believe there is a private message system. Are you saying you want the comment to be anonymous?

0 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 29, 2012)

There should be a 'Feedback' link at the bottom of every page, which allows you send a message, restricted to certain subjects, to the right members of staff. Contrary to popular belief, we read all of them.

1 upvote
fotoph
By fotoph (Sep 28, 2012)

Are the forums finally going to be mobile friendly? Or will we have to wait for the 22nd Century for that feature?

2 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (Sep 28, 2012)

Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing DPR can do to make users read before they post. This question has been asked at least 10 times in this thread already. This is a plague in the forums, too. Repeated threads because no one can be bothered to read.

4 upvotes
Dan
By Dan (Sep 28, 2012)

You expect everyone to read every message???? I don't. Duplicate comments mean that many people want the same thing.

3 upvotes
onlooker
By onlooker (Sep 29, 2012)

If you do not expect people to read messages, why do you bother to post? I mean, you expect someone to read *your* post, right? I guess the same cannot be expected of you?

3 upvotes
elai
By elai (Sep 28, 2012)

Please make flat view the default vs threaded view. It's a lot faster to read all the information on the tread vs. clicking on each message one by one. It's how almost all forums on the web work now-a-days. I know you can set it as default in your user account, but for everyone who doesn't have a user account or doesn't feel like logging in, it's annoying.

Many people also miss/don't understand the flat view button and leave the forms out of frustration with slowness of the threaded view.

Comment edited 33 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

The new threaded view will have all info on one page as I understand.

1 upvote
Lensjoy
By Lensjoy (Sep 28, 2012)

I like the new design overall, especially the preview of replies feature. One thing I still want is an "expand all replies" feature to allow quick reading of all replies rather than having to click and wait for each one to display individually. It's always been a bother to wait for the server to respond and for that reason I seldom read all the responses to topics where I've wanted to do that.

1 upvote
Sunshine_boy
By Sunshine_boy (Sep 28, 2012)

The 'Last Post' time stamp shown against the threads in the listing of 'My threads' (ie when I press the letter 'm') is very often wrong. It may show 1hour and yet when you open the thread you see it was 3 hours. Must be easy to correct to reflect true times (?)

0 upvotes
torags
By torags (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks like a lot of thought went into it and it looks real good

Rags

0 upvotes
Jack Simpson
By Jack Simpson (Sep 28, 2012)

Woooooooooooo Hooooooooooooooooooooo .... catching up to the AP forums ... posting wise :D

Cheers,

Jack

0 upvotes
Sunshine_boy
By Sunshine_boy (Sep 28, 2012)

The same way I can mark some member as 'ignore', it would be useful if I could mark another as 'favorite'. In long threads, especially in the Retouching forum, I may only want to see the work (or comments/replies) of the people that 'I' think will be more useful to 'me'

1 upvote
Sunshine_boy
By Sunshine_boy (Sep 28, 2012)

Let's say I want to add more than one photo (from my gallery) to a posting. Say I want to add the last 4 images I uploaded. I click on
"Add a photo from your gallery".

Their thumbnails show in the order 4, 3, 2, 1 ie the last one uploaded shows first. But I want to display them in my post as 1, 2, 3, 4.

Please offer 'reverse order' when more than one thumbnail is selected.

0 upvotes
hkginlax
By hkginlax (Sep 28, 2012)

Let us edit postings/replies more than once?

Let us delete our own posting/replies?

9 upvotes
NewYorkEd
By NewYorkEd (Sep 28, 2012)

The blue text on the black background is a headache to read - BUT, what I am seeing now is harder to read - The grey text on the black background. Am I going blind?

3 upvotes
Fave Photog
By Fave Photog (Sep 28, 2012)

I keep reading people say "grey text on black". I see white on black. Why do you see grey?

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

Yes, mine is white on black too.

0 upvotes
Victor Engel
By Victor Engel (Sep 30, 2012)

I agree. I cannot stand the bluish cyan color on black. I weighed in on this when I first noticed it. I've also said before, and I will repeat it, that particularly for a photography site, bright text on a dark background is not good because the eyes accommodate to the predominant brightness, which is the background. The result is that the text is overexposed on the retina, creating an afterimage of horizontal lines. Viewing pictures, we then see afterimage lines on the images unless we wait long enough for our eyes to compensate. This problem is much reduced with dark text on a light background. Images displayed on a dark background, on the other hand, is just fine.

0 upvotes
John Romas
By John Romas (Sep 28, 2012)

I'm not the first to suggest these ideas and you, the staff of dpreview, already answer on some of those but they are important to me and I think it counts how many people want some things to be done to these forums. Here they are:
1. In flat view (or another new view made) there should be an options to show all the replies under their corresponding "parent" reply (tree view with only the parents sorted by time and the branches inside sorted by time), with lines drawn on the left (best shown on dailytech.com, worse on or reddit.com or even worse in these comments because there are no lines)
2. For the question threads: 2 buttons - one "View the answer" selected by the user who asked the question and one "Most popular answer" for the one selected by other members
3. Who votes up & down should be listed
4. Possibility to disable mouse hover previews
5. Mobile optimized version
6. Possibility to change font and background colors and to modify the width used by the layout.
Thank you!

4 upvotes
jvideographer
By jvideographer (Sep 28, 2012)

In the current format, my full name is used when I post. I don't want that. How do I change this. Believe me, I've tried.
I hope the new format will allow me to have more control over my profile.

1 upvote
Fave Photog
By Fave Photog (Sep 28, 2012)

Um, gee...I suppose that's because you chose as your DPR username 'John Clouse'. Create a new DPR account with a new username. Problem solved!

1 upvote
Dan
By Dan (Sep 28, 2012)

It would be nice if the "LIKE" button appeared in all posts. Having the number of "likes" displayed next to each reply in each thread would be good too.

3 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (Sep 29, 2012)

That's how it will work.

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

No, let's not have likes at all. Anywhere. Silly fanboyism at it's worst.

3 upvotes
Dan
By Dan (Sep 28, 2012)

I would like the ability to edit my posts at ANY time and/or remove them just as I can in Facebook. Sometimes people say things that they later regret, so this should add positively to the overall user experience.

9 upvotes
Fave Photog
By Fave Photog (Sep 28, 2012)

You write it, you own it. My suggestion is to not come on this forum, or others, if intoxicated.

Besides, though I often trim the text of the person to whom I am replying, I just as often leave it all intact. So how will things change if you are now able to delete your comment, when it is recorded in full, or part, within my reply.

If you don't mean it, don't type it. Simple concept.

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

Sorry Dan. Have to disagree completely. You just need to learn to think BEFORE you post.

0 upvotes
bb42
By bb42 (Sep 28, 2012)

Thanks for all the works, makes mostly sense although I didn't use the forums that much.
One thing made me sigh - more whitespace between text and head lines.
Yes, every design team proposes this, because it always looks cleaner and cooler etc. And for the designers its obvious that this very site is the most important anyway, and they have plenty screen area anyway.
For the users this is often not the case - the amount of window real estate they are willing to invest in a certain site is limited, for many reasons.

2 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

Though I've been designing on a 24" monitor (1920 × 1200), I've been almost exclusively testing in a window of 1280 × 800 resolution for this very reason.

1 upvote
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

You might also want to try a screen height of 768, which is now quite common.

1 upvote
Cameron R Hood
By Cameron R Hood (Sep 28, 2012)

One thing you could do that would INSTANTLY improve your forums is to remove the childish blocking of other camera forums...it's simply infantile.

Sincerely,
Cameron
forum user since you started

8 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

That's exactly what I said, too. Kudos.

2 upvotes
motobloat
By motobloat (Sep 28, 2012)

+10000. It just makes DPreview look pathetic and insecure.

Also, did you guys know that British "swears" are still blocked?

For example, you can't say b o l l o c k s in your post. Word filter will get you.

Brits have the most ridiculous hang ups. Must be a holdover from the Victorian era or something.

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

we only block those who spam or otherwise abuse our hospitality.

3 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

I've seen you block links to other forums who will happily link to you. For obvious reasons, I presumably cannot name the forum (I'll refer back to Cameron's comment about infantility), but if you think there's a good explanation, please do entertain us.

0 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

allowing users to link to us does not stop them being spammers.

0 upvotes
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

What you clearly haven't addressed is how to allow legitimate users to place legitimate links.

2 upvotes
tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (Sep 28, 2012)

The only change I'd really love is the existance of a "real" mobile version (a view designed for mobile devices, ala smartphones and tablets). Flat view is not what I mean, of course.

3 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

The new forums (and even the old ones) should work fine on tablets. A "real" mobile version for smartphones is already in the pipeline.

2 upvotes
rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (Sep 29, 2012)

As a tablet user, I do really dislike the kind of "smartphone view" which some sites force upon you. IPads have a much larger display and using the "smartphone view" is really limiting. Having to change back to normal view each time you link to the same website is an unwanted bother. Sometimes it will happen each time you click on the next page of the same website. And often you have to fight to find where they have hidden the "classic view" link.

I really don't understand why sites can't make a distinction between tablets and smartphones and hope that this will not be the case of DPreview.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Oct 1, 2012)

@rrr_hhh: We do store that preference with the mobile version of the homepage (and all other mobile pages). We will be carrying this through with the mobile version of the forums as well.

0 upvotes
dad_of_four
By dad_of_four (Sep 28, 2012)

I'd love to see it harder-and-harder to use the quote function.
Far too many people hit the Quote (rather than Reply) function, and merely add a line or two, and then leave the entire quoted reply in-place. Its especially annoying when someone posts 10 pictures, and someone quotes it.

I HAVE WORN OUT 3 MOUSE WHEELS scrolling to the end of a message. (LOL, not really)

6 upvotes
alanr0
By alanr0 (Sep 29, 2012)

It can (and is) misused, but a bare reply doesn't work for folk who read in flat view. In a long branching thread it can be difficult to figure out which post the reply is to.

Equally annoying in threaded view, is the (flat?) viewer who replies to the wrong post. Restrained quoting mitigates such problems. (Though expecting current offenders to be restrained is somewhat optimistic).

0 upvotes
GXRuser
By GXRuser (Sep 28, 2012)

I would like to see a version of the forums display optimized for use on a smart phone...

3 upvotes
dad_of_four
By dad_of_four (Sep 28, 2012)

What ever you do, please do not allow changing of fonts, or colors.
I don't want it to look like my teen daughter's former MySpace page!

0 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

We won't. The formatting options provided will be similar to what we have right now, just with WYSIWYG editor.

2 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

Why? Please allow me to have full control over font, size, foreground/background colors, width etc. Tie it to MY profile. Ditto for other things too, like allowing (or not) mouseover popups.

0 upvotes
steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Sep 28, 2012)

Please make the mainContent div resizable! A lot of us have monitors greater than 2K px horizontal and the idea that all the news and forum content on dpreview is squeezed down to a 600px column is just crazy.

5 upvotes
Pedagydusz
By Pedagydusz (Sep 28, 2012)

Yes, I second that!

0 upvotes
GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

YES YES YES

0 upvotes
nevada5
By nevada5 (Sep 28, 2012)

I'd love to see you eliminate the "photo sharing" that clutters up several forums here. There are dozens of sites for that. But here, where equipment is discussed, is not the place for "look at what I shot today."

0 upvotes
increments
By increments (Sep 28, 2012)

You could just ignore those threads?

3 upvotes
ck3
By ck3 (Sep 28, 2012)

apropos ignoring threads - will there be an option to ignore threads? IMO that would be more useful than the current "ignore user".

4 upvotes
Peter Hayward
By Peter Hayward (Sep 28, 2012)

Is there a disagree button?

1 upvote
nevada5
By nevada5 (Sep 29, 2012)

"You could just ignore those threads?"
Really? I'm pretty sure we could just ignore all of the issues that DPR are trying to improve on here - so what's the point of any of this?

How does one know which threads to ignore? No one titles the thread "Fluff that no one will care about". When the title is "3 weeks with my new Panasonic XYZ", I'm thinking it might be a thread with a personal review or a report about a quirk.

If you search photo sharing you will find lots and lots of sites. Why wouldn't someone want to post there, where the image, for the sake of the image alone, is appreciated?

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GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (Sep 29, 2012)

"Is there a disagree button?" No, you are not allowed to disagree (or dislike), only like. Personally I feel that if you offer one, you MUST offer the other.
Actually I would prefer that neither existed. Just promotes fanboyism.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (Sep 28, 2012)

The underlying threaded scheme is just annoying. Every modern forum I follow using these 2 rules:

1)If there is no quote then you are replying to the person who posted right before you or in general to the OP.
2)If there is a quote then you are replying to the quoted person.

No more confusion, simpler scheming, easier to read with less clicking.

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asad137
By asad137 (Sep 28, 2012)

Hear hear.

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Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

I don't understand what your problem is. Surely it's super easy to set a user-based preference for either the threaded or flat scheme. Sounds better than forcing your world view on other people?

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Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Oct 1, 2012)

@Pes: There already is, and it will be carried through to the new version.

1 upvote
Reilly Diefenbach
By Reilly Diefenbach (Sep 28, 2012)

More and better ways to waste our time. Woo Hoooo!

1 upvote
TheVoid
By TheVoid (Sep 28, 2012)

The ability to direct-upload an image to a post will be welcome. I would also enjoy seeing EXIF data for these images the same as they are shown for gallery images, maybe subject to user preference if they want to enable EXIF or not.

6 upvotes
pauldnyc
By pauldnyc (Sep 28, 2012)

I've loved dpreview for years now but have always had trouble with the white on black design making my eyes hurt after a few minutes. Recently started using a Safari extension called QuickStyle which lets you easily, permanently, change the CSS for any site you visit. 3 or 4 small edits and this site looks awesome (for me)

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39016/quickstyle

Rock on DPR!

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

we will offer a different color scheme soon (ok, soon-ish)

4 upvotes
steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (Sep 28, 2012)

Thank you! Other open-source BBS's allow reskinning, so a "roll-your-own" effort should at least incorporate the features of other systems that are already out there.

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Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

And for Firefox, there is Stylish. This also actually solves the whole threaded vs. flat debate. If you don't like threaded and don't want to log in to set a preference (the obvious solution), just suppress the threading with CSS.

1 upvote
photosen
By photosen (Sep 28, 2012)

Looks nice and I appreciate the effort; what I would really wish for is better reliability...

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

we won't be working with patched up, decade old code any more, so, though i won't go as far as promising better reliability from day one, it will be far easier for us to track down and fix problems quickly.

2 upvotes
Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Sep 28, 2012)

Bookmarks, allow for a way for the user to label the bookmark as to the reason they made the bookmark, it will speed up the search through the book marks.

4 upvotes
Adrian Godong
By Adrian Godong (Sep 28, 2012)

Do you mean tagging for bookmarked posts? Interesting idea. We'll note it down.

1 upvote
Pes Lhipchepiw
By Pes Lhipchepiw (Sep 28, 2012)

If you're going to allow bookmarks at all, I suggest doing it across the site, for articles, reviews, galleries, individual photos, everything. One framework.

0 upvotes
JamesRW
By JamesRW (Sep 28, 2012)

You need:
Moderators
Sticky Threads
Mobile version
Ability to flatten threads

5 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

yes, no, yes, already have (unless I'm misreading this is what flat view is)

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mosc
By mosc (Sep 28, 2012)

I think you are misreading what flat view is. Please go look at any other forum on the internet. See how you have a list of threads and then when you click on one you see a page full of content?

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BLUE RIDGE WORKSHOPS EDUCATIONbeb

You have one of the most informative, useful sites in the business. The only problem I personally have are those that are rude, nasty, miserable types that can ruin an intelligent thread. You need to take more notice through the use of moderators and by listening to those who indicate that there's bad behavior by some who can be insulting or demeaning ... While I like what you do, you do not have great control over these types of individual. I don't just mean trolls but others whomtrynto put themselves above the rest of dpreview forum participants.

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increments
By increments (Sep 28, 2012)

@mosc

Just click FLAT VIEW on the top of the thread. If you're logged in your preference will be remembered.

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Liz Z.
By Liz Z. (Sep 28, 2012)

Re moderators: I wish there were an express statement here that people are expected to be civil and helpful. I find it pretty disconcerting to read snide, disrespectful replies to innocent questions. Yes, this is the internet, where apparently some people think normal rules of courtesy don't apply. But must this be accepted as with an "oh well, what are you gonna do?" attitude? I had a post deleted because I jokingly referred to global warming, while rude and sarcastic posts remain in place.

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JamesRW
By JamesRW (Sep 28, 2012)

Simon, when you have flat view people respond differently, usually with a quote. Last time I tried to use flat view here it was like trying to listen to 20 conversations at the same time.

If you had moderators, you could have sticky threads that were the topic o' the minute or FAQ or whatever the mod needed for that particular forum. Like keep new camera release discussion/whine/cry subjects right up there on top and not crowd the forums with garbage.

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hassman
By hassman (Sep 28, 2012)

Seems overly complicated. They were not that easy to follow anyhow due to the tree system. The redesign is well under way, so as with all these things in life - the end user counts for nowt.

0 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

i think you'll find it's no more complicated than it was, there's just a few feature improvements you are free to ignore

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increments
By increments (Sep 28, 2012)

I don't understand this threaded vs. flat view debate. You can choose how you want to view threads. You can even switch from flat to threaded, if it seems like a comment doesn't make sense, so that you can see for whom the reply is intended.

4 upvotes
toomanycanons
By toomanycanons (Sep 28, 2012)

But still no unlimited editing of our replies? That's my number one gripe about DPR forums. All other forums allow unlimited editing. Oh well. (or did I just miss that in the New Features?)

5 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

we could add it today - we choose not to, but are looking at several options for allowing at least more editing flexibility.

2 upvotes
increments
By increments (Sep 28, 2012)

@Simon

A bit more editing flexibility is nice, but unlimited could leave some threads unreadable. Might also lead to some underhanded debating too.

Please don't add unlimited editing.

5 upvotes
dad_of_four
By dad_of_four (Sep 28, 2012)

Please don't add unlimited editing. It can lead to shenanigans
People should be thoughtful in there original post.
If there is a small error, you already give them 20 minutes to fix it.

HAVE THE COURAGE TO STATE YOUR OPINION, AND STICK BY IT

3 upvotes
Richard Shih
By Richard Shih (Sep 28, 2012)

99% we won't be adding unlimited editing for the very reason of the "He said it, no I didn't" abuse.

5 upvotes
inevitable crafts studio
By inevitable crafts studio (Sep 28, 2012)

sadly the major issue why i never used the forum, not even for reading through posts, is the cascading design of the threads, if i cant click on a thread and then just scroll down to read it, i will not use it

i cant understand why you dont make a normal forum like all other pages.

you cant read a forum like on your pictures, where you can only see the first post and a "norton commander view" of the threads

thats pointless to read

also, no mobile version in 2012? i only use the dpreview site on my ipad.

i dont read camera forums as a job, i come to this site when allready bored, and if its not streamlined for reading i cant see why i should generate clicks for you ^^

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increments
By increments (Sep 28, 2012)

Just click "flat view"

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Liz Z.
By Liz Z. (Sep 28, 2012)

You currently do have the option to view it threaded (the way you don't like) or flat view (the way I think you want to). Open a thread and look to the right of where it says User. There you can choose the view. In my experience, if you're logged in, your reading preference is remembered.

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

As pointed out above - this is what flat view offers. Mobile version is coming next (soon)

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PenguinPhotoCo
By PenguinPhotoCo (Sep 28, 2012)

I like the threaded view myself. Yes, it's different than other sites and might cause threads to wander -not sure, but I tend to reply to a person because it's threaded and I can follow who's replying to what.

In a flat view if the thread gets long or wanders its way too easy to be overwhelmed by it all and just ignore it - cutting discusions short, reducing input, etc.

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motobloat
By motobloat (Sep 28, 2012)

What people want is FLAT VIEW BY DEFAULT.

Is there any forum left in the entire internet that still does threaded view by default (much less at all?) I can't think of any, except maybe 56kforums.com or something lol. It's 2012 people.

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increments
By increments (Sep 28, 2012)

@motobloat

If you're logged in, you only need to change the view once. It's not like you need to do it every time you click a thread.

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Edward Sargent
By Edward Sargent (Sep 28, 2012)

I would like the ability to know how many "reads" for each post. Regarding the Android version the shortcuts 'f', 'm', etc don't work when using a keyboard as what you type goes in the address line of the browser and using the touch method is not easy as the buttons/options are too close to each other. It would be nice if we could take down our own posts, particularly if they have not been responded to.

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Trevor_S
By Trevor_S (Sep 28, 2012)

Moblile support ? I find myself at the froums less and less because of no support for tapatalk and goign to other forums becasue of ease of use, I would suspect I am 50% on my phone or tablet ? You're pushign me away

1 upvote
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (Sep 28, 2012)

we won't support tapatalk, but we will offer a mobile optimised forum next

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